order. we will bring that to you when it happens. here is what he has said about it so far. he wants to build an impenetrable wall between the u.s. and mexico. right now, only a third of the southern border is fenced. he has described many of the immigrants as criminals and rapists. msnbc political reporter casey hunt is there. casey joins us on the phone. as we know anything can happen when trump speaks. what are we expecting to hear in just a few moments? >> reporter: anything can happen. that's definitely true. he is currently meeting with the mayor of laredo, texas where he has come to tour this border. we heard from him a little bit at the airport when he landed. he said that there was a crowd of hundreds to greet him. that wasn't 100% accurate. he was met by a small crowd of mostly media along with a few protestors as well. people holding "dump trump"

signs. this is a place where the majority hispanic -- excuse me city. it's a place where the culture of mexico right across the border it's very integrated with the culture on the other side. we spoke to several residents today. i spoke to one in particular who said you know what, there are people who are certainly open to hearing what donald trump has to say, but that his tone is something that they have a problem with and that if you were able to adjust it it might be different. trump has said he's open to adjusting his tone on this if he becomes present. so far, we haven't seen very much of that. >> thanks. we'll come back to you later in the show. more breaking news now. the prosecutor in the texas county where jail up mate sandra bland died is speaking about what the autopsy found. let's listen in. >> observed and analyzed by the authorities that are investigating by my office, and

again ultimately by the waller county grand jury. today's purpose of this press conference is to share some information from the harris county medical examiner's office regarding ms. bland's autopsy results. today, i have joining me two of my prosecutors who identify made preliminary assignments to on the criminal cases that may result from this incident here in waller county. want to reiterate that we're dealing with two different incidents. the incident on the side of the road in prairie view that was conducted by the texas department of public safety. and we are dealing with the incident of ms. bland's death in the waller county jail. i have today with me mr. warren here to my left in a suit. warren and i will be actively engaged and handling any matters that arise and involve ms. bland's death in the waller

county jail. i'm proud to have him on staff. warren is a long-time harris county prosecutor over 20 plus years of experience prosecuting high profile cases in houston. he is a nationally recognized expert in the area of dwi intoxication manslaughter offenses and routinely teaches around the country on that subject matter. joining him to his left is ms. mia magazineness. she's also my senior prosecutor. mia also joins me. her prior service in government prosecution was also in harris county. she also has over 20 some odd years of experience prosecuting cases in the city of houston. and i'm here to tell you and the state and the world and the nation this office is well able and equipped and ready to handle

any of these cases if criminal charges are deemed necessary. ms. magness will be handing in in conjunction with another prosecutor from my office any criminal offenses that may be determined to have been committed by the dps trooper on the side of the road. want to reiterate once again at this point it has not been determined there have been any criminal activities or any criminal charges by any party at this time. i also want to clarify because i see it keep coming up that there are multiple investigations, department of public safety is conducting their own civil investigation of the trooper's actions. they have already indicated that the trooper violated their own internal policies. i concur with that. that those were violations of dps policies and that i was not happy when i saw that video.

that's a different story than what he did amounted to criminal violations. if after all the evidence is gathered analyzed presented to a waller county grand jury that is determination has been made there are criminal violations, my office would have a part in that. secondly, as far as the jail and the sheriff, the fact-findings by the texas jail commission, those as well are civil violations that will be dealt with in the civil courts or in the administrative areas of texas law. those violations even though they've been determined, are not something that my office deals with as far as criminal prosecution. and in that respect, that's why i'm not commenting today on the procedures being used in the jail. having said is that, i'm going to call up mr. deplam, he has a

presentation he'll be making in regards to the findings of the medical examiner's office. ms. magness will not be taking questions today in this press conference. i would ask that you would allow her time to work on her portion of the case. please do not contact her. if you have any questions regarding this case please continue to contact me or warren. thank you very much. warren? >> good afternoon. appreciate you being here and appreciate the opportunity to come before you and detail for you the pathological findings that we've received in this case. they are not going to be any opinions expressed about whether or not a crime has occurred or any facts that occurred in this particular case. these are simply pathological findings as discussed between me and members of the harris county medical examiner's office.

i do intend to display some photographs to demonstrate some of the pathological findings that we will be discussing. however, i'm first going to discuss them and their significance or potential significance in this case. before i display the photographs. once if any -- if any of you folks are streaming live, i recommend that you not show these because some of these may be graphic. we don't want to display these to the public, but we do want to make them available to the media to understand the significance of what occurred in the jail and the cause and manner of death. the harris county medical examiner's office as you know has listed the cause of death as hanging. and the manner of death as a suicide based upon the physical and pathological findings of their highly qualified assistant medical examiner in this case which has been reviewed by dr. wolf who is second in command of

the harris county institute of forensic science. mr. mathis has a difficult job ahead of him. he has to balance the many competing principals of the privacy interest of the family, of the public's right to know of the media's access to an open and honest government. he's done an excellent job of conveying to the media that limited information that we have as it becomes available to you and the media so that you can convey it to the public. some of the information that we are releasing today we feel compelled to release because of specific allegations from some individuals about the circumstances that occurred in the waller county jail and/or on the streets of prairie view texas. so with that i'm going to start discussing some of the more significant pathological findings. the autopsy report will be discussed with the harris county

institute of forensic science. it may be made available tomorrow. keep in mind the distinction between pathological findings, the mechanism of death versus the tox co-logical findings which is any substance that may have been found in her body. there's been some significant interest in that and i want to address some rumors that have been put out there in the public that we've had to concern ourselves with. first of all, the waller county district attorney's office the texas rangers and all officials investigating this case are confident that the harris county institute of forensic science did an excellent job in the autopsy and investigating this particular case. we have not asked for nor do we intend to ask for a second autopsy. some of the confusion that may have come about as a result of this alleged second autopsy request may have been done at the request of the family of ms. bland. they may have requested a second autopsy for themselves.

that is with their purview and within their capabilities. we certainly would endorse them whatever they want to do and we hope that they will be as publicly disclosing with their information as we have been with ours. the second information is in reference to toxicology findings. there have been some instances or claims about a substantial amount of marijuana found in her system. i can tell you that there has been a confirmation of those results. however, the results are preliminary and were done through specific scientific test that is common in the field to determine the presence of marijuana. that's called an enzyme linked an sor bant assay test which is simply a very reliable screening process. we have requested and they have

don confirmatory testing through gas toe maing tofy. that is the standard that's used by forensic labs around the country. and is accepted around the world as again being the gold standard for tox logical testing. those results may be released tomorrow. medical examiners and labs around the country have a set process come for in-custody deaths to look for a certain type of substances. the district attorney has asked for additional testing on behalf of waller county, state regional and national authorities. we've asked for full subtantive and quantity taketive and confirmatory testing of the blood samples. there was some questions about preserving the body for a small amount of time, possibly for 24 hours to gain some additional samples from the body.

>> on the death of sandra bland. we want to go right now to donald trump who is on the border. let's listen in now. [ inaudible ] >> i'd like to introduce first the mayor, he's going to say a few words. and then i'll say a few words. we were treated so nicely. we learned so much in such a quick period of time. the mayor has done a fantastic job. >> thank you so much, mr. trump. good afternoon ladies and gentlemen, i'm pete sandsenz. we're glad to have mr. trump. it has provided us an opportunity to present to mr. trump and his entourage what laredo is all about.

we do -- laredo does over 40% of the mexican trade. laredo is known for obviously transportation. you can see the big trucks behind us and logistics. nafta has been very good to us. we're excited about that. we also have oil and gas production in our county and also provides a revenue to us. and mr. trump has brought up certain issues. the immigration issue in particular. we, at least i feel personally that immigration reform is needed. we need protection in the border area. we need to secure the border. but we also need other elements. you know obviously, the immigration act or bill. with that in mind, it's a pleasure to have mr. trump the excitement that he brings is also very on the plus side for

our city and we appreciate all of the attention. but we know it comes primarily through this gentleman here. >> thank you. well, thank you very much for being here. it's been an amazing experience. mexico is booming absolutely booming and the city manager and pete have done an amazing job right here. but a lot of what's happening here is because of the fact that mexico is doing so well. it's just doing beyond -- beyond what anybody ever thought. and i don't know if that's good for the united states, but it's good for mexico. anybody have any questions? >> relationship with hispanics -- >> i think we'll win the hispanic vote. i have thousands of mexicans and hispanics. i don't know if you saw the poll but they just did a big poll in nevada the state of nevada. and i'm way ahead. and more importantly as far as i'm concerned, i'm way, way

ahead with the hispanics. well into the 30s. i think second is like 11. so i have a great relationship. over the years, thousands and thousands of hispanics have worked for me and now work for me. and the relationship is very good. question. [ multiple speakers ] how many people killed? >> seven people. in chattanooga, five people were killed in less than hour. that's american city. it means that killers come from all over the world. >> i agree with that. and they come through here. but they come from all over the world. i agree with that. >> you keep saying that there's a danger, but the crime along the border is down? what danger -- >> there's great danger with the illegals. but we have a tremendous danger on the border with the illegals coming in. >> have you seen any evidence here to confirm your fears about mexico sending it criminals

across the border? >> yes i have. as you know the border patrol was the one that invited me. most of you have that invitation. the border patrol invited me and then they canceled because frankly, they don't want to get involved the reason they invited me was because of the tremendous problem and the tremendous crime. and all of the things that you're talking about. at the last moment -- i mean, we were individually in the air and they said, we can't get involved. i heard they got those orders from washington. >> what evidence specifically have you seen? >> we'll be showing you the evidence. >> when? how? [ inaudible question ] >> we just landed and there are a lot of people at the airport. and they were all waving american flags and all in favor of trump and what i'm doing. virtually everyone we saw. there was such a great warm -- i was actually surprised. but there was such great warmth at the airport with all of those people that were there.

we're very, very honor sfwld it's one sding -- >> they were chanting for me. >> they were chanting against you. >> i didn't see that. [ inaudible question ] >> well, i think meeting the mayor and meeting the city manager, these are tremendous people. they're doing a tremendous job. come on, jesus. stay a word. i'm going to steal him to run something for me. he's fantastic. >> welcome everybody to the city of laredo. this is one of the greater cities on the border. we're a vibrant city. and as mr. trump mentioned, you know, the trade that we have here with mexico, this is where the rubber meets the road. and all of you can see it right behind us. this is where all the trade comes through that mexico and the united states have in common right here. and not only that, but this is where it goes to the rest of the world. and i'll tell you what, we wouldn't be where we are if it wouldn't be for the support that mayor and members of the city council that are also here with

us. we are very fortunate to have the support that they provide us in order for this city to be such a great city and the number one import in the skrithe country. >> mr. trump, about the way to make the border safe is to build this long wall? >> that's a federal issue. and we have our -- our comments on that. >> what is your comment sm. >> we don't think that's necessary at this time. i think there's other ways that we can work together with -- with the federal government. i think right now we have a process that we work together with border program and everybody to be able to get some of these things done. the relationship that the city of laredo has with the federal government, with all the law enforcement agencies is a tremendous one. thank you. [ inaudible question ] >> no, no, not at all. there are different sections.

>> -- would actually do to change the illegal immigrations -- >> well the one thing you have to do as jesus was saying and the mayor was saying, there is a huge problem with the illegals coming through. in this section it's a problem. in some sections it's a massive problem. you have to make the people that come in, they have to be legal. very simple. [ multiple speakers ] >> you have to let people do their job, the border patrols. i see the unions are very much involved with the border patrols. they want to do their job. that's why they invited me. the border patrols invited me -- they want to be able to do their job. if they can't do their job, believe me they're unhappy. they want to be able to do their job. >> still in favor of a wall? >> in certain sections you have to have a wall. absolutely. by the way, the wall -- the wall

will save you a tremendous amount of money. but you absolutely -- there are areas that you have to have the wall. >>. [ inaudible question ] >> the who? >> "el chapo," the drug cartel leader. >> i don't know anything about it. >> potential third-party run of the gop -- [ inaudible question ] >> i'm a republican. i'm a conservative. i'm in first place, by a lot it seems according to all the polls. i want to run as a republican. i think i'll get the nomination. we'll see soon enough. the west way to win is for me to get the nomination and run probably against hillary. look easily, she's the worst secretary of state in the history of our country. she's going to be beaten and i'm the one to beat her. and i will take jobs back. the reason i won with the hispanic vote and i win all over with the hispanic vote, they know i'll take jobs back from

china, japan and every other country that's killing us. i'll bring the jobs back. and you know, the hispanics are going to get those jobs did skp they're going to love trump. and they already do. [ inaudible question ] >> they weren't insulted. because the press miss interprets my word. >> what would you do with the 11 million undocumented immigrants that are already here? >> the first thing we have to do is strengthen our borders. after that, we're going to have plenty of time to talk about it. thank you very much. thank you, everybody. >> all right. you have been listening to donald trump running for president of the united states on the u.s./mexico border. joining him was the mayor of laredo texas. donald trump says mexico is booming, doesn't know if that's good for the u.s., but it's certainly good for mexico. i want to bring in chuck todd. a lot to get to here. we heard once again from him, he is in first place.

but something that stuck out, he is way way ahead with his pans iks. is there one we have not seen where he is way, way ahead. >> no i haven't seen it. there's a lot of people who put out polls these days. i'm not going to say i've seen everyone that's out there. so perhaps among hispanic republicans in nevada, which is probably not a large subsmp l. you know, who knows, thanks to statistical noise or error that is very possible. i have no doubt he might have seen something like that. i have to say this was sort of a surreal little event. what i found fascinating is say what you want about trump, he showed some political nimbleness there. figuring out how to coral the local officials sort of shrouding himself in the local officials. they played along. granted they decided to make

lemonade out of a lemon. let me talk about how great laredo is. i mean, as far as an appearance you have to give trump credit for making it look as if he was working with local officials and they were welcome k him with open arms. you got to hand him that. >> chuck, you know, we've had you on the show several times. i haven't quite seen this face out of you. you are smiling. i can tell you were sort of laughing a moment ago. you used the word surreal. i might use the word farce. the guy is anti-nuance. he doesn't seem to understand the way that government actually works. he doesn't seem to have any serious policy ideas. i mean, can you think of another candidate who the media had to take seriously who seems as ridiculous as this does? >> you know, it's funny. and you know i think about other celebrities who've run for

office. i think about jessie ventura 1998. there was always -- and arnold schwarzenegger. and the three of them didn't want to be labeled as celebrities, right? they sort of overcompensated and in their own ways, policy wanted up a little bit in different ways when they ran. and it helped. it's why they all won. they were trying to run counter to a stereotype, that they were blow hardy and didn't really know about the process. they wanted to say, no, no, maybe i am a celebrity, but i am learning a little something about the process. there is a chunk of voters out there, as one advisor to one campaign said to me, he's tapped into the people that scream at their tv vote. he is saying what they say to their tv. but does -- is that a coalition

that can grow? right? and i think he's got to show an ability -- that's what i have to say. this was the first time i've seen him show any sort of nimbleness even on a little stam like this, by coraling the local official. that is a very veteran political move to do when you go to a local city. it's easy to do but it's not always. that's not something we've seen out of him before. maybe he's learning something as we goes along here. >> i don't think there's any denying that this guy is a savvy operator. according to him, he's number one by allot in all the polls. >> huge. >> huge. >> i was wondering if you could dig into that a little bit more. what do we know from the polls about who is supporting donald trump and about how firm they are in that support? is that like a protest, i'm going to tell this pollster i'm backing trump, but when it comes down to it i want a more serious

candidate? >> honestly, we're in the middle of preparing our next national poll. we're trying to come up with some questions to answer that. you can look at the data we've seen, abc, "washington post," it was mostly predictable. the only thing surprising to me is that it was a little younger than i expected. i thought it would be a little bit older. a little bit down scale. certainly economically challenged. on the education front, it was less than college education when it comes to his supporters. so the makeup of his electorate sort of made sense to me except for on the youth front. i think we need to turn our attention away from tump and more on who trump's appealing to. there is a chunk of americans that feel as if the middle class ladder is gone. the rungs aren't there anymore. you're either stuck in working class america. or if you get lucky you end up

in affluent america. and there's no way up the ladder anymore unless you have the college education unless you have wealthy parents, a good school district you happen to be born into. these people are fed up. they're angry. trump's having immigrants to blame. bernie sanders is handing these voters corporate america to blame. it's sort of the same group of voters. we cannot ignore why they're sort of attracted here. i think they're attracted because they're fed up with traditional politicians. >> stay with us. attorney raul reyes. i was struck with the -- >> i do need to go. >> obviously we've seen in the polls a huge increase in negative views of donald trump from hispanic americans. yet there he is having convinced the mayor of laredo to get on the stage with him and make nice

with him. it's -- when you talk with people who have personal dealings with donald trump. in perpendicular, people say he's a nice guy. and he manages to develop these relationships that are much more cordial than you would expect given his public persona of picking fights with everyone. do you think that means he can mend fences with the hispanic community more than you would expect. >> that's a huge -- you know as we sit here and sort of marvel at the whole firestorm that he generates in the media. in spanish language media, it's more. it's pretty much saturation coverage. >> wow. >> so he's received so much negative press. but i can say -- you know we're talking about these polls among latinos. it's not all bad for the republican party because

univision just had a poll out. of course latinos are overwhelmingly offend sfwld are folks angry about what he's saying? >> extremely offended. perhaps a silver lining for the gop, two-thirds of latinos surveyed in the poll they say that donald trump's words and this ugly rhetoric, that represents donald trump. only 14% said that they tagged it with the republican party. so maybe the republican party as things move ahead, will be able to get out from under this huge shadow that he's casting right now. >> huge. >> huge. >> i want to bring in our reporter for the "washington post." and david from. we'll get to the actual optics of trump's plan in a minute. clearly there is a large chunk of the population that is attracted to what trump is saying on immigration. help lay this out for us. what is it about what he's saying, how he's saying it that

is resonating with so many? >> the immigration issue is big. president obama has dramatically changed american immigration policy. he's issued a couple of amnesties in all but name. he's given an authorized status to half of the illegal population of the country. a lot of people are pretty unhappy about that. in the early part of the obama administration the flow of illegal immigration in the united states slowed and actually went into reverse in 2009. it's accelerating again now. with this surge comes a lot of criminal facility. symbolized by the katherine stien le killing which has gotten remarkably little attention from the political system. those stories, the fact of the illegal immigration rankles and republicans and democrats have not addressed this. will is a kind of bipartisan consensus in favor of something like what the president is doing and the people who don't like

what the president is doing are looking for an alternative. and trump has presented it for better or worse. we'd like something better but he's the alternative for now. >> raul, you're shaking your head. do you want to respond? >> first of all, i respectfully disagree that that very tragic shooting in san francisco did not receive media coverage. the fact is what donald trump is doing, he's distorting once again what is happening at the border. as he mentioned, undocumented immigration is down. our border cities are some of the safest cities in america. all of these are the fact. but what donald trump is putting forward basically comes back to border security first. what border security first is code for that means comprehensive reform never. if you want to talk about amnesty, that in effect is amnesty. one of the long-standing -- going forward one of the real

danger engineers from this whole phenomenon he's creating, he's obscuring not only potential gop solutions, but also the work that the obama administration is doing. the dhs just announced new guidelines to crackdown on felons and terrorist threats. all that is being obscured by donald trump. >> in terms of -- can you take us inside the trump campaign operation a little bit? i think that's the first time i've ever seen a political candidate give a speech wearing a baseball hat em bla sonned with his own campaign slogan. who are the people behind this who are supposed to turn this into an actually winning political campaign? >> he does. me has a very tight inner circle to be honest. his campaign manager's name is corey. he was formerly with americans

for prosperity. he was very much in line with trump on certain tactics and certain pieces of rhetoric they would use. i think that they've become very close and partners in creating this persona. i love the hat. i thought it was hilarious. maybe he wants to distract from questions about the hair. my theory about trump is he always delivers a spectacle. he created fights and feuds with his competitors within the republican field. you can almost expect that every single time he appears before the media, there's going to be something new. he's not feddered by facts. he's not going to be out there with talking points that are traditional. the word that this person used was refreshing. that this is the kind of political spectacle that you don't even necessarily see from someone like ted cruz. this reminds me a little bit of the government shutdown.

you were seeing this huge ground swell of support from the conservative right. people feel like donald trump is breaking all the rules and they want to see what happens next. >> david, if i'm speaking of spectacles. there is a debate coming up in early august that is sure to be quite a spectacle and i think will get some massive trump-sized ratings as well. how do you think that is going to go down? if you were advising jeb bush or one of the other candidates marco rubio or scott walker, how would you advise them to deal with this very unpredictable character? >> they have to have a message of their own. they don't have to worry about donald trump. donald trump will fade all by himself. i can't predict exactly when or how, but it's going to happen. you know there's a reason why politics tends to reward professional politicians. it's incredibly hard and there are opportunities to make mistakes every day. amateurs avail themselves of

those opportunities. and donald trump certainly will. when he do the question will be what is the republican party, democratic party going to do with this enormous discontent around the surge of immigration. deportation did rise during the first obama term are slightly town. deportation of criminal aliens are sharply down. this is -- and the day to day consequences in terms of people's classroom experience and job competition, the displacement of native workers by migrants. almost all of the job growth going to migrants in the united states. these are real issues. they're on the table for somebody, but nobody seems to want to pick them up. so they're left for the trumps. it's time for a professional politician to take these up. >> lisa, i want to bring you in about the policy of this to talk

about the reality of what trump is talking about. there's a piece about this, they say any kind of border barrier can be climbed over. to prevent that type of activity we would have to have not just drones in the sky, but a lot of boots on the ground. it would cost tens of billions of dollars, not to mention the extra patrol agents that would be needed. it's a good political sound bite, but executing this that's a whole nother thing. one of the mistakes i think the media is making at this point is throwing trump red meat questions as opposed to policy questions. as we saw at the press conference, he can be very master ffl in a situation that's chaotic in dealing with a lot of attention. he's able to kind of bring people around him who are local officials. you could hear him say, as this man said, they all agree with me when really i'm not sure we heard that from them.

i think that that's the real danger for the other members of the republican field because they might not be so bold as to make the claims that trump makes. so i think it will be interesting to see whether he's able to actually engage with some substantive questions about for example that border wall. >> all right. stick with us. i want to bring in francis wilkinsonwill kin kinson. chug todd and others have been saying what we need to look at with donald trump is who is supporting him. and ultimately when he does flame out where might those support percent go. what's your take on who's best positioned to pick up the trumpsters? >> well ted cruz looks like he's willing to. he's been a little different from the other candidates. part of that is i think he might think he might pick up his

support. >> there's a farcical aspect to this. it seems like bullworth on steroids. there is a very serious undercurrent to all this because he's spewing this violent or let's say bombast ik anti-immigrant rhetoric. that feeds the fringe's anger. quite often they'll take that as a message to be violent toward the people the largers folks are spreading that rhetoric toward. should we be afraid of the final outcome that could come out of this? >> i don't think i'm ready to go that far no. the border for a lot of people is a met fore for everything that's gong awry in this country since ronald reagan was president. the border is not really the issue. there are problems with the border as the people down there will tell you. but if you build a wall, people

bring -- they literally bring ladders across the rio grande. they float with a ladder across the leo grand, they throw it up over the wall and they climb. there's no way to seal the border of the united states, and that's never going to happen. in some sense, this is just a rehashing of an argument we have over and over again because the border stands in for a lot of problems that people are upset about, whether it's the economy whether it's the demographic change in america. and you know, yes, always there's some fringe that's going to take it too far. but i don't think donald trump is necessarily going to be the impetus for that. >> there are other people running for president besides donald trump. and he has -- i guess in a sense forced this debate which you could say is a good thing. i recently sat down with lindsey graham. i asked him about donald trump and what he thought about the comments on immigration. here was lindsey graham's response. >> nobody can control him, but

you can control yourself. you're responsible for what you say. so i want the highest level of my party to say we don't agree with donald trump. we don't think it's true. >> think they're saying that enough? >> no. we don't believe that most illegal immigrants are racists or drug dealers. some are criminals, but most are good hard-working decent people coming to have a better life here. i've been dealing with illegal immigration for a decade. i've been working with democrats -- >> you spent a lot of time on the border. >> i understandhave. you're not going to departort 11 million people. >> so here you have lindsey graham talking about real potential solutions here. spent a lot of time on this issue and on the border. yet, you look at someone like him not even resonates in the polls, may not make it on the debate stage what advice do you have have a lindsey graham campaign or others trying to make inroads on this

conversation but being blown out of the water by donald trump? >> so far we've seen people, lindsey graham destroying his phone and rand paul putting something on fire. people are getting desperate i think about getting attention. it's probably best to just let it ride. i do think it's a problem for some candidates who are not going to make it in that first debate with trump. on the other hand, if he makes it a farce and that is a possibility of course it may not be the end of the world. they may have other avenues to get attention. you have a huge field. it's going to be very difficult for the bottom half to get attention under any circumstances. >> elise the -- donald trump has been issuing this threat that he may run as an independent candidate if he does not get the republican nomination, if he feels he is not treated well on the road to the republican nomination. polls are showing he might get as much as 20% of the vote if he were to do that. what would that campaign end up looking like? >> what we heard at the press

conference in my opinion was him stepping back from that threat just slightly saying that he wants to win the republican nomination. once he does of course he's going with the claim that he's going to win the hispanic vote. i think it would be interesting to see trump carry through on that threat. i think it's going to be up to officials in the republican party and how they're handling him here on out because i think that is going to play a big role in the decision he ends up making. my opinion is that trump is not going to be over until he says it's over. it seems like he really wants to carry this through. people talk about him flaming out. as long as he feels like he's tapped into a level of support that could be sustainable i don't think we're going to see him drop out. even if he does, maybe he would mount that third-party candidacy which would be a disaster for the gop. he's making that threat. that's one of those ways to bring party leetders in line to

let them know he's on the scene and ready to fight. >> and hillary clinton is loving all of this, i am sure. and we should note, by the way, that the man himself, donald trump is going to be on tomorrow morning, 7:00 a.m. with "morning joe." make sure that you tune into that. david, let me ask you one of the things that we've been talking about is how much the media is contributing to donald trump rise here. one message that's very popular on the conservative side of the aisle is attacking the liberal media. the more they go after trump how much stronger does that make him? >> i don't think that has very much to do with it. in the summer of 1999 when george w. bush was the bush of the moment, he was at this point polling about 55% among republicans. aside from donald trump the others in this field are polling in the teens. jeb bush i think is about 12 or

13. something like that. there are a lot of candidates. but the reason there are a lot of candidates is because the republican party is having a hard time coalescing around leaders. there's such a stark division between what the people -- the professionals in the republican party want, the big donors want, and what most people are going to vote in a republican primary vote. the story for republicans is the same for all americans. a few people have done very well over the past five years. most people have not done yet. and the people who have not done well feel frustrated and feel like the political system is not responsive to them. they're going to be as disaffected from the leadership of the republican party as americans generally are disaffected from olympic generally. >> our entire panel, thank you. next, more breaking news. a major development in the penalty phase of the dark knight shooting trial. your in "the cycle" for this thursday, july 23rd.

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how do you dismantle their weapons program? not their whole program? let's understand what was really on the table here? we set out to dismantle their ability to be able to build a nuclear weapon, and we've achieved that. >> joining us now is luke russert, i want to know we're waiting, donald trump coming out in laredo texas to make further remarks. we may have to go to that. well, not surprisingly john kerry, secretary of state faced a grilling from republican senators on the senate foreign relations committee about this iran nuclear deal, a few things came out, number one, this issue of were there side deals, this is something that tom cotton has really pushed that the obama administration made side deals with iran where they're about certain military installations and the role of the nuclear program there. they have not been forthcoming to congress and the american public. we will brief members of

congress in a classified setting about the so called side deals, nofrn none of them arise to the ability -- the other thing that kerry took a lot of heat from the gop side was this sort of hole idea that they were fleeced. that they essentially gave iran everything they wanted. the clip you showed was illustrative of what kerry was trying to do. we were not out to stop iran from ever possess willing nuclear capability in any capacity. we were trying to stop them from getting a weapon. he had to keep on making that point. he took very tough question from marco rubio, 2016 contender rand paul another contender noticeably a little bit easier on kerry, i think some of us expected. overall this is the beginning of the beginning, what democrats, especially in the administration can expect for the next 60 or so days. they're ready to go back to their districts in about a week i spoke to a lot of democrats

that are quite worried about the millions that will be mobilized against this deal about groups that dislike iran. and whether or not democrats can hold firm to maintain this deal. they're going to get a lot of heat on it five years ago, when that went home for an august recess. democrats not looking too good after that. >> as you note, the math is two thirds because congress is eventually going to stop this deal. they'll need to overright a presidential veto, they'll need democratic votes do you have a sense of how that's shaping up? is the idea that deal opponents may be able to round up enough of those am democrats to override the president in both houses of congress? >> that's their only strategy right now that i see that can work. i asked john boehner about this today, he said, i have tools at my disposal to stop this deal. i said, what else do you have from con virnsing democrats to join your side? >> i have tools at your disposal

opinion you -- i don't know what that means. we'll see what happens in the fall. in terms of your question, josh. you need 290 right in the house. 67 in the senate. as of right now, i have not seen math that adds up to that. when nancy pelosi told me last week, she was going to actively lobby for this deal, she never loses a vote for her house democratic caucus. i think because of nancy pelosi, this deal should be okay. nevertheless, there are going to be a lot of nervous members. this is going to be front and center at town halls, they go back to, they're going to have a lot of angry constituents speaking out about this deal they'll be mobilized by outside groups. they're going to be all in on this. things similar to that -- what you saw there. >> speak a little more to that, you have been on the hill for a few years now, and have seen members of congress come back from their vacation this summer.

is it common to come back or harder on where they stand. is it possible they could change their tune a bit? >> the difference between this year and if we go back to 2010 when this happened with health care, you don't have any moderate democratic members. they all lost, the ones who are there are pretty much solidified progressives to the left. you have within the democratic caucus some who are very pro israel supporters who will be against this deal, in terms of people who can be swayed, there aren't that many. now all that being said if there is a narrative that develops and if more comes out about the overall deal or possible side deals, it looks very bad. a lot of members say, even though it's 2015 i think this could hurt me in 2016 which is shaping up to be a national security elocation.

that could be problematic. i think it's fair to say, it is significant when you go home and hear people speak out against something, that's usually what makes the most change here in d.c. >> we are going to go now live to donald trump in la rado texas. >> i want to thank the mayor of laredo fantastic guy pete. where are you, pete. thank you very much. and jesus the city manager, who everybody is going to try to hire, he's going to be a very very -- you're going to have to pay him more money, i think. thank you, jesus, appreciate it. so law enforcement is here, the border patrol guys are here theyen watted to be here, and they have been amazing, and they want to do their job they're incredible men and women and they just want to do their job. and they're really really good at the job. but they're not allowed to do it in many cases. i just want to say it's an honor for you folks from the border

patrol and law enforcement to show up here when i know it wasn't that easy to show up here, you had certain pressures, for you to show up here is a real honor i will not forget. i will not forget. thank you, thank you very much. i don't think that people understand the danger you're under and the talent you have but i understand it we're going to go back to new york, the press has been amazing, we really appreciate, the turnout of press has been incredible. people realize the problem we have in this country with illegal immigration. and it's going solved, it's going to be fixed. this group will do such a job, if they're allowed to do their job, there's no doubt in anybody's mind it will be taken care of. so -- >> you know by the way