watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. stopped at the border. let's play "hardball." >> good evening. our guest tonight is texas senator ted cruz, candidate for president. we all know that donald trump dominated the tv screen today traveling to the mexican border. his mission was to speak with the u.s. border guards but he learn they were not to make the ronald 52. here's the back and forth. in an interview yesterday, trump said the border patrol invited him because they want to honor me. thousands and thousands of them. hours before his scheduled visit, the local border patrol union was forced to ditch trump saying, just to be clear an

endorsement was never declared. trump addressed the conflict in two press conferences at the border. let's watch. >> they're the ones that invited me. they wanted to give me an award. the border patrol is petrified of saying what happened. >> the border patrol invited me and they canceled. they don't want to get involved. they invited me. at the last moment we were virtually in the air and they said we can't get involved. i heard they got those orders from washington. >> senator cruz thank you for coming on. i want to ask you a bigger picture than the little kerfuffle at the border which could have been anything whatever it was. what has donald trump got hold of? i don't think it is just immigration. what is it that is grabbing the emotions, the thoughts, whatever, the fears of the republican voter who is talking to these pollsters? >> listen, i like donald trump. i appreciate that he's focusing on illegal immigration.

it is an issue i've been very concerned about for a long time. i think people are very concerned about sanctuary cities and people are finally turning their attention to it. just this week we had a number of the family members of people who have been murdered by illegal aliens with criminal convictions, the obama administration has released. i had an exchange with the head of administration where i asked her why the obama administration in 2013 released 104,000 illegal aliens with criminal convictions, including 198 murderers, over 400 people accused of sexual assault, over 16,000 drunk drivers shelf couldn't give an answer and people are very concerned that people are doing this. >> are you against local cities like new york city with giuliani where they didn't turn in

everybody every time there is a police incident? how strong would you be in terms of turning people in to i.c.e.? >> look, sanctuary cities are wrong. the stiff san francisco. we've sustain murder of kate that steinle out on the pier and murdered. san francisco proudly calls itself a sanctuary city with the career murderer of kate steinle. the federal government asked that he be deported and the stiff san francisco refused that violated federal law and kate steinle is dead because of it. and i've joined with a number of senators to provide that federal funds will not be provided to cities and local jurisdictions that defy, that actively frustrate federal law.

>> when somebody is arrested in a locale like san francisco or new york, if they're arrested and they find out that they're not here legally should they be turned over to the immigration authorities? >> i think we should enforce federal immigration laws. >> so cities should turn them over. >> i think we should comply with the law. it is an amazing thing that people treat it as unusual that we should follow law. when i asked the head of immigration enforcement why did the obama administration release 104,000 criminals. she couldn't answer me. i asked the question. how many murderers did the obama administration release yesterday? she said i don't know. that ought to trouble anybody. anybody with children who doesn't want murderers on the streets. >> i think we should talk to rudolph giuliani about this. the.

i think they're afraid, if you turn everybody you deal with over to ice iso, you won't get any. >> i would suggest the very simple principle we should enforce the law and keep violent people off the streets. so 16000 people with drunk driving conditions. imagine if your loved one someone in your family was killed by a drurng driver that the federal government had in custody who was here illegally and they simply release that had drunk driver. the testimony at the hearing in the senate. we heard testimony from a man whose brother was killed by a drunk driver that had been released by the government. it doesn't make any sense. >> but you're coloring immigration issue heavily in the area of crime. do you think it is fair to quickly to go crime level in big 60s? do you think they're related that closely.

>> i'm focus on the people with illegal aliens with convictions. when the government releases 104,000 illegal aliens, all of whom had a conviction. yes, there is a connection. when you release 193 with homicide convictions yes there is a direct connection. >> i agree with that. of course. let's look at the latest polling. donald trump is up and donald trump is up 20 points just since may. you're down 4. there's an old -- remember gresham's law? bad moan drives good money out of circulation? what does it feel like being pushed out of circulation. everybody else is pushed down. is that good? >> what we're seeing everyone just followed their fundraising records. out of 16 republican candidates, which may raise the most hard

money out. gir field. we raised $14.3 million. and what's amazing is that came from 175,000 contributions in all 50 states. the people are looking for someone who will stand up to the washington cartel. right now i'm in the senate. the reason is we're having a fate over the export/import bank. a classic example of corporate welfare. and let me say, chris your party, the democrats who use -- >> thank you. >> a lot of rhetoric about opposing big business and big money, the democrats virtually all of them are supporting this cronyism and corporate welfare. the one person standing up strong is bernie sanders. far too many democrats and i will readily admit, far too many

republicans are supporting hundreds of billions of dollars of loan guarantees to giant corporations at the expense of the taxpayers. i think people are fed up. they want someone who will stand with the working man and women. >> is that a strategy on the right to build up bernie sanders? >> i've said for a long time, i like and almost bernie sanders. >> you're building him up. you took an opportunity. what is the strategy to bull up bernie sanders from the right wing perspective? >> chris, chris, i respect honesty in politics. bernie a mitts he is a socialist. >> he is a socialist. you admit you're a teem guy. that's not an admission. that's a fact. >> the difference is i think there are an awful lot of crass in the united states senate whose policies are every bit as liberal or socialist but they don't admit it. i'm enjoying watching hillary h

explain she is just as much a socialist. >> that would be a mistake. that's why you're saying it. if she goes out there and maxes bernie is that lets him lead her around she'll end up looking and sound know like him. >> let me ask you a question. we were talking about the export import bank. the reason i folksed on bernie sanders is he is one of the few to stand against it. let me point out another democrat who had the courage to stand against it. then senator barack obama. he said the export/import bank is a classic example of it. now they get contributions from big lobbyists in washington. now he is for big welfare. bernie is being honest about this. >> you are building him up. you're getting so enthusiastic. i know what you're up. to it is called trouble making. let me ask you about your party.

you're watching this debate. some are in, some are you'd. what happens if they choose john kasich for the ticket and you have two centrist tickets at the top. isn't that going to drive the teem crazy? that you've been cut out. >> let me be clear. no one in their right mine would describe hillary clinton and sherrod brown as a cent ris ticket. >> hillary and shar dlod would went because you turn out the far left baseline and. >> you are beating the drum for bernie sanders and sherrod brown tonight. . are you in a position for the third party candidate you have the if you have to take on jeb bush in a general election

because you're stuck outthe contest? you can't vote for bush. you don't want -- you're never going to vote for bush. >> i'll be unequivocal. i am a third party guile of i am running in the republican party. he will support the republican nominee. if we nominate another candidate in the mold of a bob dole or a john mccain or a mitt romney, all of whom are good, honorable men if we do it again, the same conservative who's stayed open in 2008 and that 12 will stay home. >> just to tie up that thought, you've been very clear. is jeb bush in that mold? >> i'll let him speak for himself and the republican primary voters. i agree with reagan. the way we win is we paint in bold colors, not pale pastels. i'll tell you something will worry you. as i travel the country all over the place men and women stop me who say i'm a democrat. but you're fighting for me and i'm with you. that's something that has to terrify heck out of a lot of democrats. we saw in the last 50 years,

there's one republican who has a group of democrats named after him. reagan democrats. when you paint in bold colors you bull a broad coalition. >> you're a bernie sanders republican from what i've heard. i understand entirely the strategy you're up to. senator ted cruz being very strategic. coming up, donald trump's run to the border come as he makes his biggest threat yet about running third party. he says if he's not treated well by the republican partiering may just run for independent. plus, the hot question now will enough democrats support the nuclear deal with iran. and the political jod couple. talking about the 2016 president. fina could take a punch. he?

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back to "hardball" of while in texas donald trump got into a heated conversation over his comments about mexicans. here's what happened. >> many feel that what you said when you said that the people across the border are rapists and murders. >> we're talking about illegal immigration. and everybody understands that. and you know what? that's a typical case of the

press with misinterpretation. they take a -- they take a half a sentence, by the way, they take a half a sentence and they take a quarter of a sentence. put it all together. a typical thing. and you are with telemundo and telemundo should be ashamed. i want to thank you. you're finished. you've obviously been -- >> for reaction tom and my interview with senator cruz i'm join by the former national committee chair michael steele, jones walsh of salon. you have some thoughts. you thought there were some misquoted numbers. >> i admire senator cruz for sticking to his script but those numbers, the obama administration did not release all those people. about half were released by judges. we've got a situation where immigration combines legal and

illegal immigration. you talk about illegal immigrants. some of them are here legally. he's come up with this really scary number but it is not what the obama administration has done. >> why is there a perception, i've heard the story that the, you talk about generalities. when they get across the bored he, they go on work. they're the hardest worker. maybe generation you have the big city crime, ghetto crime. >> you start with an illegal immigrant. they've broken the law already. >> why this perception that he's been able everybody is doing it now. cruz jumped on it. trump is selling it. that these people all come here with -- >> it's fear combined with anecdotal information or examples, as we saw in san francisco, that get blown up and really could not flated

narrative. you begin to see where it falls. the generic conversation that most americans have and the perception they have is what ted cruz is talking about. even what donald trump is talking about. >> i wonderful say most americans. i won't even say most republicans. >> it doesn't help. >> let's talk about that perception. and the larger disquiet on the right or somewhere close to the right. i believe in polls. i don't think if you don't like the results, you throw them out. we used to say in politics just pay attention. don't act like that didn't happen. why is trump bounling all these other candidates and why is he now in a position, if he doesn't like if he said doesn't win, he goes third party. you have two established candidates. hillary clinton and let's say you get jeb bush.

the teem right will say wait a minute of that's what we hate. and they'll final a candidate. >> i would be stunned if he runs as a third party. it will be an enormous organizational feat to get it done. it is a pain in the neck. >> you can buy it. >> but you have to manage it. all 50 states have different ballot rules. >> you don't think as he good manager. >> i think it is a pain in the neck. >> interview at the hill today trump was asked if he would run as a thirt party candidate. and his answer was a shots across. so many people want me to. if i don't win, i'll have to see. his candidacy is likely to be a spoiler for whoever gets the republican nomination. according to the latest poll trump would get 20% of the vote in the hypothetical three-way match-up. clinton would win with 46%. a healthy third by the way, and

bush would be down to 30. this is great news. it's so weird how each party tries to be strategic. >> come on. you'll do. then if hillary leads william w him on anything, he's leading the band. i'm enjoying it. it shows the right wing can be really crazy. >> absolutely. which we know that. >> but my question is, when you look at him there, and he's so upset. who is he talking about? the republicans are fair to me. reince priebus? jeb bush? michael steele? if too many republicans criticize him. >> throw kisses. by the way, jeb bush is throwing kisses. hit. his future running mate. i'll be sure he gets a callout. >> what is this? they want to make it as

nonvolatile as possible. when they bring the noise down, he do not think you'll see a third party candidacy emerge here. >> if jeb runs, they'll let it go? >> at the end of the day, conservatives are the ones who will control the outcome of the primary process. if they want a ted cruz or a rand paul, they have to muster up the balance of a to getett it done there will be a third party candidate. a libertarian candidate and a constitution party candidate who is conservatives love. >> will he run third party in. >> i believe he'll dangle it out there as long as he can. ? . i think he's crazy not to run. the opportunity to sit there on a national i know at a with nhl hillary and the republican party nominee and be up there in that

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disingenuously. it isn't a better deal. some sort of unicorn arrangement envolving iran's complete capitulation. that is a fantasy. plain and simple. >> welcome back. that was secretary of state john kerry again. they were making the nuclear deal there today. kerry faced hos till questions from many of the republicans who accused him who accused him of making a bad deal. >> this deal is fundamentally and irreprably flawed. i think it threatens national security and it makes world a more dangerous place. and throughout this process, the u.s. has repeatedly capitulated. >> not unlike a hotel guest that leaves only with a hotel bathrobe on its back, i believe you've been fleeced. >> with all due respect, you

guys have been bamboozled. >> joining me senator ben carden of maryland. and also, from the atlantic and msnbc supporter. it seem like the republicans were trying to outdo themselves in terms of metaphors and interesting language there. i don't know what it means to leave a hotel with a bathrobe on. that's the strangest one i've ever heard. these guys are getting to the point where they seem to be talking to the other side over the other part of the world in iran, talking to them, trying to talk them out of a deal they've already made. i don't get why they're saying, the minute we get in, the republicans get in, we're going to etrace whole thing. i don't understand. we're in day four of a 60 day review. as secretary kerry said.

there are two parts, first we have to understand the agreement and determine whether it is worthive support or not. but the other issue that secretary kerry raises and each one of us has to take up seriously, what are the consequences if we don't go along with this? what are our options if we're isolated from the international community? >> what are they saying? we go back to the bargaining table and get a better deal? that's what bibi netanyahu seem to be saying. we can get a better deal. >> that question has not been answered. it is always possible. there are always the possibility that's they would continue to negotiate wolf they negotiate with a president who has already shown with one agreement he could not get it approved by congress? i think it is hard to see how iran negotiates with all messages of congress. i think it will be a challenge. i have not made up my decision on the merits of this agreement

but i recognize there will be a real challenge as to how we could go forward with international partners who look auts as blowing up this deal. with iran and its hard liners who would otherwise say, we will you you couldn't trust america. how can you negotiate now? at one point marco rubio told secretary kerry, they should rip up the deal the first day in office. >> the iranians should know, this is your deal. yours meaning the administration. the next president is no legal obligation to live up to it. the majority should know the majority of this congress do not support the deal and it could go away on the day president obama leaves office. >> i am confidence the president president of the united states,

if this is being implemented properly, they won't arbitrarily end it. >> marco rubio has backers so fiercely fiercely hawkish. i don't know what he's up to. this idea that a president, presidentialdidate would undermine a negotiation which is being put together by satisfying it won't -- >> et cetera absolutely unpresidential. it ensures on day one, say he makes it through the muck and becomes the number one. you have the possible for precipitous decline in u.s. power. we'll be walking away from the rest of the world. that is what this is doing. you have a unique moment of a u.n. security council deal. barack obama when he came energy he didn't walk away from what

george w. bush and george cheney had done. presidents continue for policy and national security. >> can you give us a segs of how this looks? i know to sustain a veto, the president needs 34 votes. out of 100. or the house needs 146. one or the. >> quite frankly, i think most of the members are using this period to try to understand it before reaching a decision. i think there is a lot of undecide members. clearly the republicans have expressed their view. i think it is too early to make a prediction but i can tell you when marco rubio does that, i

don't think he's helping his cause. >> i wouldn't if it is diplomatically acceptable. for basically writing foreign policy to undermine the current policy. >> deck do it as long as they're be in a foreign country. it was very similar to what senator cotton did and his members who sign. it is over the edge. it should have no place in american politics. >> i think people should remember when they observe the constitution and their oath of office she this remember you're not posed to negotiate for the u.s. unless you're part of the government. thank you. up next, the game of thrones. revealing new details from the

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i know jeb and secretary hillary will elevate the discourse. i can't attest to their surrogates. i can attest to this surrogate. i won't be a surrogate. >> you got a lot of tough decisions to make. that's all i really care about. besides, i know who i would like to win. the more important thing for america is that we know what the heck we're deciding on and we make a pretty good decision. >> welcome back. those were familiar figures. form he presidents bill clinton and george w. bush appearing earlier this month. the political odd couple sat down for a rare join interview with "time" magazine to discuss how they will handle the 2016 contest which could very well pit that hillary clinton against jeb bush.

i think i think most of my role will be giving advice. she's been pretty good about asking every now and then. president bush said i can't tell you who will win but i can tell you what's going to happen. there's kind of a general pattern. and there will be a flash in the pans. there will be this crisis and this funding thing and all these thing that happen but eventually, the person who can best lead their party will be nominated. i'm not even going to translate that guy. michael duffy, heidi is a politics reporter for bloomberg news and a democratic pollster. first, this is a little columbiay. do you think this country in the midst of its revolt against the establishment is happy to see the ultimate in establishment figures charming each other? do they like it or dislike it in. >> i think what you see in the rise of trump is an

anti-establishment move. >> so is this revolt? >> no. i think the republican scene is very much revolting again their incumbents. they didn't go easily with mitt romney. >> are you getting my particular point? and it is a particular point. if you don't like the bushes because you're anti-establishment and you don't like the clintons might you dislike even more them sitting around having fun together? you won't come back on this, will you? >> no. >> he knows i got it. >> i think people's heads will explode to see them on the cover of the magazine. that's one of the reasons we did this. in this very anti-establishment moment. >> they're running against this undisclosed fact of revolt in those two parties. you have bernie sanders and donald trump on the wings of the party saying we're tired of the inside players. >> clinton had this wonderful

quote. he said people don't like divisive environments but they frequently reward them in elections. and that in some ways is the best summation. the clinton political theory that yeah. divisiveness is difficult and unpleasant and people don't like it but they often we. reward it if you're willing to walk toward it. and the clintons are not afraid of it. >> but they're also seen as centristses. they're not lefties. >> both are centrists and these two men who used to be president -- >> what do you think the reaction will be to the cover story on "time" magazine? have these two insiders talking about how great it is to be insiders. >> putting back on my midwestern detroit hat here i don't think people believe it. honestly. they know the history of the father george bush senior, and bill clinton. the history between clinton bill clinton and george bush is much more recent.

and i don't think it will take. to scratch that. >> they were like brothers from a different father mother. same father. >> any way, there was a time when hillary clinton said she would never get into politics. bill told "time" magazine that hillary long ago said, i'll never run for office. i'm too aggressive and nobody will ever vote for me. cornell. is that the real hillary? it is very much self-recognition. she can be very aggressive as a politician. was she saying she was not electable? i think politics now awards aggressiveness. you are rewarded for jumping out there. i work for a guy by the name of senator obama, they thought he was being too aggressive when he was jumping the line. our politics award aggressiveness. trump is being awarded because he is being aggressive and going out on issues in a way that jeb bush and others are holding back on. will that work for hillary? that was the issue. she was right on at the time she made those comments.

not only was it harder as a woman woman. >> do you think the rules have change? >> i don't know. look at her whole approach to today versus the previous cycle. to soften up a little bit. to show her grand motherly side. to focus on her relationship with her mother. so i don't know that things have changed all that much. she'll have plenty of surrogates agency they discussed. >> that's something the republicans have to be conscious of. and believe it or not, the whole reason why george allen's campaign said they could be a good candidate against hillary clinton. because he was a southern gentleman. >> and remember what happened to us in the campaign in new hampshire when i will say this. >> you said likable enough? >> yes. >> that was not likable enough. w also talked about the likely

scrutiny of his brother jeb telling time. i'm sure there will be moments when somebody says something about jeb or somebody writes something about jeb that will sting. i shouldn't say i'll used to it but the emotions i felt when our dad was criticized really got me for a while. i think i'll feel the same thing about jeb. it will be interesting to see how affected i become. that's an amazing admission. >> that's one thing that does bible them together them, that does bind them together. it is different being a sibling. but bush is -- >> he missed one point. the attack will be on w. him. not on jeb. and jeb will have to defend his brother that started the war that cost of lives of 200,000 people. >> and the attacks on hillary clinton's husband. >> really? >> that's old news. how do you attack bill now? how do you go after bill now? >> well, whose e-mail server was it? >> he is still the most popular politician in american politics.

the likelihood of him being used as a surrogate is much higher than george bush. i can only seeing him be used in a fundraising. >> he is the best there is. >> with democrats. >> he comes in and puts his big paws over the edge of that lectern and feels completely at home, he is at home. >> we look like a bunch of old people. a large part of the swads that elected barack obama, they have no idea. they weren't around when bill clinton was president. or they were kids how old are you? >> i'm 41. >> stay in your box. >> the round table is staying with us. bernie sanders is trying to pry the democratic nomination away from hillary clinton. he do it?

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hold on one second. hold on, hold on. >> it's okay. listen. black lives of course matter. i spent 50 years of my life fighting for dignity. but if you don't want me to be here, that's okay. >> no sir. we want you to be here. >> i don't want to out-scream people. >> no, no, no. >> we're back with the round table. that was bernie sanders being interrupted at the nation conference by young african-american activists in phoenix recently. sanders has gained traction in the democratic race against a dominant hillary clinton. but a recent

we still have a long way to go! >> anyway, sanders represents one of the whitest states in the country. the latest census figures shows there's only 7,500 african-americans in vermont. so he has to work to be to a bigger group of voters. he's a socialist and ideologue and everything for economics. need for restructure in our economy. he doesn't like to depart from that. he didn't want to get into ethnicity or race. >> there's a disconnect here. he has a wrong tone. there's a big disconnect here. i think what you see at the net

roots -- >> you mean blacks don't have a brooklyn accent? >> more than accents. ipg this is what was happening at debates here where you have these young african-american voters and they see immigration rights and gender rights and there's all these groups that have their rights pushing forward. when obama's not in office or when obama steps back from politics, i think you'll see a lot more pressure placed on these white politicians to say specifically what you're going to do for the african-american community just as you said for the hispanic community. >> yeah. say my name. what's that mean? say my name. those people in the back of the room yelling that. >> it means that black progressives feel shut out in a way from the broader progressive movement. and what you saw in that clip was an old curmudgeonly white

man saying get off my lawn. instead of welcoming them into his house saying let's talk about this new era of civil rights movement and how i can be your leader. i want to learn from you. he screwed it up. now, as you saw in the following clip, he's trying to make up for it. as we know in politics, foot in the mouth that's the reel that gets played over and over. >> you see it at airports everywhere you go. but african-americans are losing their position. they were here before any of us. yet you see all these new people from south asia, west africa even coming here freely and they're doing pretty well. i wonder whether there's a sense there was a historic wrong done slavery and that has to still be righted whether it means killing their work ethic. one way to kill a work ethic is to make somebody a slave for years. there's a lot of wrong done. i'm not making the case for

reparations but i understand why activists are saying don't forget the historic wrong done to us in particular. >> historic wrong done -- >> not to other people. not asians or indians or pakistanis pakistanis. to the people brought here as slaves. >> i think that empowers this reaction. so does what happened over the last 30 or 40 years when democrats had moved away. but also in the last year. there's just a huge amount of stuff that hasn't been talked about in this campaign in the last year in the realm of criminal justice. >> is there no -- in the bernie sanders campaign? >> i'm sorry? >> is there an elitist? are they 60s people of a certain kind of vintage intellectually. >> don't give that just to the sanders campaign. give that to the progressive elites in washington and new york york. i mean, it looks a lot more like older white guys than the young people in net roots. >> thank you, all. when we return let me finish with trump's ability in

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let me finish tonight with this. it's about trump. you've heard the expression of bull in a china shop. well to paraphrase winston churchill, trump brings his china shop around with him. he's leading the polls because he's getting the attention. pretty much all of it.

he's out there smashing into people smashing any name before him. what happens when he runs out of people to attack or they stop smashing back? will he still be there and up in the polls? he seems to have the opposite problem hillary clinton faces. the recent secretary of state seems to be at her best when people are attacking her. she didn't look great when she was beating barack obama early in the polls in the 2008 race. it's when the going got tough in 2008 that she became across the most appealing as a person and candidate. so what is it we have here? we've got a guy leading the republican polls who is up there because he's constantly on the attack. we've got a woman at the top of the democratic polls because people see through the attacks on her and respect her for her commitments. well, this could get interesting if it ever gets that far. what if donald trump who makes his name attacking rivals stands across the stage from hillary

clinton who rises to the attack. it could be down right wonderful. wonderful. and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. tonight on "all in," donald trump storms the border and holds court next to a woman's restroom. >> i brought up the problem of illegal immigration and it's a big problem. >> tonight, the republican front runner's wild day in texas and why trump's ugly rhetoric on immigration is hardly unique to donald trump. then -- >> i'm still just at a loss for words, honestly about this whole process. how does switching lanes with no signal turn into this? >> new questions about the death of sandra bland as officials release an autopsy. and the owner of a florida gun shop who declared his store a muslim-free zone in the wake of chattanooga and the local muslim leader who wants