american express' timeless safety and security are now available on apple pay. the next evolution of membership is here. >> a lot to come in this hour. a lot of news in the world tonight. lots to update you on. we're going to have an update on what we learned today and tonight about the latest american mass shooting, this attack in lafayette, louisiana last night in which a man with a semi-automatic shot people. we've got new information today about who he was, about the condition of the survivors still hospitalized after that attack. and we've got very difficult questions raised today and tonight about how the shooter obtained the gun that he used in that mass shooting given some of the very disturbing things that we now know about his personal

history and his criminal history. so we've got an update on that coming up in a moment including the latest from local authorities on the scene in louisiana who have been releasing new pieces of information about that shooting and about that shooter well into the evening tonight. so that's ahead. plus, we've got a bit of unfinished business from my interview this week with republican presidential candidate rick sanitorium. he made quite a bit of news in that interview he did with me here. we're happy to have him here. but there is one important matter that was unresolved in that interview that we'll hopefully be finishing up tonight. that's still ahead. plus there's sad news tonight. for congress. not sad as in tragic but sad as in having to work through the weekend in late july. and they are not happy about it for good reason. so all of that is still ahead. plus we've got some bacon that comes in a jar that never goes bad. and that could be yours. happy friday.

we start tonight, though with a legitimate friday night news dump. when you have information that you have to release to the world you have news but it is not good news, there's a great american tradition of trying to bury that bad news by releasing it late at night on a friday. i mean yes, the news cycle is supposedly 24 hours and everybody has access to news 24 hours a day, seven days a week but honestly who wants to read the news on a beautiful sunny saturday in late july? so if you can crumble your bad news and make it as small and possible and sneak it out late in the day on a friday, you will increase the chances that maybe people won't notice your bad news at all. so the next time you see kentucky senator rand paul tell him you're sorry but you noticed. you saw what he did. late at night on friday, july 24th, when he sent out the world's tiniest nothing to see here move along don't led to announcement explaining finally

much later than all of the other major candidates how much money he raised so far for his presidential campaign. almost all of the other candidates put this out a while ago. rand paul has been holding out. he didn't release the numbers until tonight, till friday night, and now we know why. balls rand paul's fundraising numbers, by our calculations put him just above ohio governor john kasich and well below texas governor rick perry. if you want to be seen as a top tier republican presidential candidate, you do not want to be between john kasich and rick perry. especially right now when it looks like neither john kasich nor rick perry is likely to make it on the stage to be in the republican presidential debates. that is not the territory that rand paul is supposed to be in. between john kasich and rick perry? one of the basics how rand paul is supposed to compete is his supposedly amazing donor network which he got from his dad,

everybody thought that rand paul would be able to raise tons and tons of that sweet, sweet ron paul money like his dad. topping that huge donor class that the other candidates can't touch, because their donors don't overlap with everybody els. rand paul is not supposed to be every candidate, he is supposed to be the leader of a movement of die-hard followers who would have done anything for ron paul and anything for rand paul. one of the things is send him money. he released his pac numbers. he raised about $5 million between two pacs, fully 40% of that money he raised for his pacs came from just two guys two individual people who each wrote him a check for a million dollars. so, i mean the beltway press has been so fascinated with rand paul paul. the beltway press has in part been fascinated because they thought he would be so different. they thought he'd be able to

activate the this otherwise invisible network of die-hard supporters who would not only support him and be enthusiastic and caucus for him and vote for thim, they would donate and make him a viable candidate even if he wasn't in the main stream of republican politics. turns out those folks aren't there. so, bad news today for rand paul. bad news he tried to neek out in a real live friday night news dump. good did news today, though for the aforementioned rick perry. so there are a lot of firsts a lot of historic pioneers in this huge field of republican candidates who are running for president this year. the first time there is a major candidate for the republican party presidential nomination who is indian-american. louisiana governor bobby jindal. very exciting. the republicans are also running two cuban-american candidates this year. ted cruz and marco rubio, they are running an independently wealthy successful business

woman female carly fiorina. but the republicans also for the first time this year with the candidacy of rick perry, also making history because rick perry is the first major party candidate democrat or republican to ever seek the presidency of the united states while also being under felony criminal indictment. he is a pioneer. that's never happened before. governor perry last summer was hit with a two-count felony indictment for coercion and abuse of authority. today a court in texas threw out one of those two felony charges pending against rick perry. it was interesting. they didn't just throw out the charge against him, they actually threw out the whole law, the whole statute under which he was charged. this court in texas ruled that coercion of a public servant, that charge as a law shouldn't exist, that law is unconstitutional. so nobody can be charged under that law including rick perry.

that one's gone. the other charge against governor perry, the abuse of power charge that one does still stand. and that is where things get a little weird in texas. watch this. this is rick perry's lawyer in austin. the court today threw out what we believe to be the greater of the two charges, that is the coercion charge. the remaining count we believe to be a class c misdemeanor. >> you believe to be? rick perry's lawyer telling reporters the remaining felony charge against rick perry, they don't think of it as a felony. we believe to be a class c misdemeanor. they think of it as a misdemeanor. it's not a misdemeanor, it's a felony. what's pending against him is a felony charge that carries a potential sentence of 5 to 99 years in prison. but apparently part of his defense is that he doesn't

really look at it as a felony. he thinks of it more as i don't know demming with feint praise. amazeing amazing. rick perry really is still facing a felony even with one of the two charges against him dropped he is still the only major party candidate to have made a run for the presidency while under indictment. that history will always be his. and rick perry is also still doing terribly in the polls. despite being a historic pioneer. in the latest ppp poll rick perry polls at 1% which means he is locked in a tie with my friend rick santorum. in a poll from an outfit called you gov rick perry comes in at 2%. that's down from 3% in the same poll two weeks earlier. under carly fiorina in the polls. rick perry is so far down in the poll also that not only is he not on track to make it into the

republican presidential debates, rick perry is losing in the polls even compared to the other people who aren't going to make it in the republican presidential debates. he really is getting beaten by carly fiorina. it's not like that's because carly fiorina is spiking in the polls. she is doing terribly as well. she's not going to make it on the debate stage etherks not unless something changes. she is trying to make something change. her campaign sending out this e-mail appeal asking people to send her money so she can make it onto the debate stage. now, i don't know you can't buy -- i don't know how the money will help. she may decide to spend that money the way chris christie is which is trying to get him on the debate stage. chris christie is another of these on the bubble whether he is going to be allowed to debate. poll numbers are so low for chris christie it's questionable as to whether he is going to be allowed to debate. groups supporting krigs christie's campaign decided to

dump a quarter of a million dollars into running pro chris christie ads on the fox news channel. which must be a nice thing for the fox news channel. it was the fox news channel that sthet rule that they are only going to let ten people in the debate. they are going to decide which ten are allowed into the debate based on national poll numbers. so any republican who wants to make it on the debate stage has every incentive in the world to spend all of their money doing everything they can to boost their national poll numbers. you can't boost your national poll numbers going to county fairs in iowa and new hampshire and all of the other campaign stuff that candidates would be doing this time of year in the early states. if the only thing that matters is boosting your national poll numbers, if the you're a republican running for president you better spend all of the resources you've got increasing your national profile with the republican voters who might someday get call bid a pollster. that's how you have to fight for your political life. you need increase your national

profile among republican voters. how would you do that? well, you bet staert running ads on fox news. the fox news debate rules basically inthe instruct the candidates to start spending their campaign money buying ads on the fox news channel. it's amazing. it's a great racket that fox set up. so chris christie's site spending a quarter million dollars on new ads, not in iowa not in new hampshire, not in south carolina but on the fox news channel instead. ka ching. must be nice for fox. other candidates are trying other things. bobby jindal's top consultant written an op-ed on the pages of the toile street journal editorial page. "wall street journal's" owner also happens to own the fox news channel. maybe he is trying to get in that way. basically a plea for fox to change the debate rules, this is the op-ed. let all 16 debate.

lindsey graham continues to be loud and aggressive and making the case that fox news shouldn't disallow some of the candidates. lindsey graham has been making that case on cable news. trying to pressure the republican party saying just because fox news wants to do it this way and cut the candidates out of the debate doesn't mean the republican party has to go along with that. lindsey graham has said up this website, our podium.com. if you go to ourpodium.com and give lindsey graham your first and last name and e-mail he will sign up for this petition to let him in the debate, let all of the candidates in the debate. he will also probably sign you up for his fundraising listment you can sign that petition from that website post on tas book on twitter that you think fox news is wrong, they should let all of the candidates debate. conservative media is starting to realize that fox news is basically messing up the republican presidential process. the breitbart is making the case. through a process of our own

making republicans are killing -- republicans are killing the candidacies of some of our best and brightest candidates who not only are capable of defeating hillary clinton they have the potential to be amazing leaders for our nation. so with the candidates revolting this way with the obvious sort of what do we call it? conflict of interest? that fox news set up in terms of the way they set up the debate rules to financially benefit themselves as a company, with conservative media now balking at what they have done fox news and the republican party are going to have to decide what to do here. lindsey graham, he's right that the republican party no matter what fox says the republican party doesn't have to go along with this. they can say forget you, we're not going to do a debate with you. the republican party could decide to let all of their candidates debate. but they only have a few days left to change their mind. only a few days to act. if they do not change course on this the candidacies of a bunch

of the republican candidates including seriously some of the candidates most impressive on paper, a whole bunch of president candidacies, a bunch of governors, their candidacies are effectively going to end by the end of next week. when those debates are set to start and they are not going to be allowed on stage. mean while the republican front-runner donald trump, he started selling those hats. you know that enormous oddly shaped very proud baseball hat that he wore to texas this week i don't mean proud like he had proud, i mean like in a shape. it has a big head. that odd shaped proud baseball cap he wore on that trip if you think he looks great in that you can now buy that hat. it's at the donald trump gift shop at the trump tower. hunter walker went over to trump tower to the donald trump merchandise area and he got

himself a $20 donald trump make america great again baseball cap. he purchased it out of this display case and the person working at the shop wrapped it up in black tissue embossed with the donald trump logo and stuffed it into a gold gift bag with a fake gold handle. only $20. mr. trump continues to dominate the republican field not only in terms of attention but also in terms of numbers. new polling came out in the rails that proved once again that everything the beltway press is saying about donald trump, everything that republican insiders and the republican establishment are saying about donald trump is wrong, everything they keep telling us to expect about what's about to ham in the presidential candidacy of donald trump isn't happening. got those new numbers for you next. pluls hopefully an explanation of what this all means from dan rather who is here live.

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next two national polls that were taken since he said what he said. this is the ppp poll that came out yesterday. people being asked about donald trump after those john mccain remarks, donald trump in first place. and now the new poll that came out today, the economist poll and yougov dpt's rise in the republican contest for the 2016 nomination does not appear to have been slowed by the recent controversy over his criticisms of arizona senator john mccain. he is still ahead and far ahead when republicans are asked to choose among the 16 currently announced candidates. actually if you look specifically at that poll donald trump is further ahead in that specific poll now, he is further ahead now than he was in that poll before he said what he said about john mccain. he's increased his lead since he said that thing about john mccain. i do not get it. how do you say what donald trump said denigrating the military

service of a war hero and have republican primary voters not just still want you as their nominee, they want you even more than they used to as their nominee. i cannot get my head around these things. i need help. i need dan rather to explain what is happening. luckily, dan rather is here to help. joining us for the interview dan rather great to see you. >> great to see you. >> can you help me with this? is it explicable or is this unexplainable? >> no, i think it's explainable. you know better than most i'm often wrong. here we are, donald trump, he is voicing what a lot of republican primary voters are thinking that they don't want to say. they think it's kind of don't know how it would go down. not only do they like it but they love it. secondly, donald trump is the epitome of an anti-washington candidate. they love that. but the john mccain thing which

i thought then and believe now was a big mistake for him, i think he damaged himself personally and his chances for what he wants to accomplish however, john mccain and lindsey graham from south carolina are not all that popular with a large segment of the republican primary voters. third, what he said about immigration, about mexicans abhorrent to most of uls that is something reflected it's a deep down feeling with a lot of people who don't want to express or feel they can and donald trump is expressing it for them. besides that he's tapped into the anger, frustration, rage and fear of a lot of people not all of them in the republican party, who are sort of scared about what's happening with their country. and he's tapped into that. it's a long list and i'll end it here. but trump is the classic leading man figure. i know you're saying there is nothing classy about donald

trump. but it's classic leading man. and american politics particularly presidential politics is theater. trump understands that it's theater. theater needs a leading man. he play likes a leading man. you can hear him saying frankly my dear i don't give a damn as clark gable once did or saying make my day. how long this lasts i don't know. the question now is whether he's a shooting star and will fade or whether he's a planet that's going to be around this republican primary process for much longer than most people think. i am of the opinion that the latter is true. i think he's going to be around longer and maybe a lot longer. he's the republicans' nightmare. as long as he's in there party running in their primary, most candidates feel they are facing a moo nur spreader in a wind storm.

but if he gets out of the party or if they force him out or whatever, he's already talking about running as a third party candidate. keep this in mind this is no small thing because ross perot in 1992 ran as an independent third party candidate, he was on the stage for the presidential debates. >> not the primary but the general election debates. >> he got almost 19% of the vote. and there are plenty of republicans will go to their grave believe that delivered the presidency to bill clinton. ralph nader, an amount of votes on a national basis was the difference in florida. any time the republicans look around they don't know in a phrase they can't figure out whether they are wined or watched or bark at the moon. >> the ross perot thing, you look at the numbers he drew evenly from the democratic side and the republican side. there is interesting data in terms of the exit polls. republicans you are right,

believe that bush would have been elected. they convinced that bill clinton needed ross perot and there is this fear around a donald trump presidency. the question i have specifically about i guess the historical context and what we saw around the john mccain thing. the reason i believe donald trump isn't going to go away not a flash in the pan like the beltway says and the republican insiders say is because i feel he is gaffe proof. that i would have thought that saying something like that about john mccain, about a legitimate war hero and a revered senator and the previous nominee that was grabbing the third rail you're dead. it's over. if you can increase your chances after something like that, it seems to me there is no way he can damage himself by sticking his foot in his mouth. there is nothing he can say that will offend anybody. if the republican electorate, a big chunk, is unoffendable i don't see why he is going to --

>> one of the reasons i don't see imminent collapse is listen in television there's a lack of dignity. you can't be in television and have your dignity stay intact. trump understands that. remember, this guy had his own television reality show which by the way is basically what these republican primary debates are, they are television reality shows. they are not debates actually. and in those primary debates, and by the way did you notice that he's pulled out of the very early debate. >> new hampshire one. >> again, you know people underestimate donald trump. you can like him or not. but listen. donald trump did not go to school just to eat his lunch and he did not become a multibillionaire by not being pretty smart. he is not only smart but shrewd and cunning. he made a good move from his standpoint saying i'm not going to have anything to do with this early primary because his friends at fox love that because

he will appear on their set of debates, very shrewd move. >> dan rather, host of the big interview on access tv and a man always an honor to have. it's good to have you. and let it be said that it was here on this air when donald trump earned the nickname that will stick with him, he is the manure spreader in a wind storm, dan rather. we'll be right back. have 30 years of customer records. our cloud can keep them safe and accessible anywhere. my drivers don't have time to fill out forms. tablets. keep them all digital. we're looking to double our deliveries. our fleet apps will find the fastest route. oh, and your boysenberyy apple scones smell about done. ahh, you're good. i like to bake. with at&t get up to $400 dollars in total savings on tools to manage your business. expected wait time: 55 minutes. vo: in the nation, we know how it feels

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so there is new information that we have learned about the shooting attack in lafayette, louisiana last night. we now know what kind of gun the shooter used to commit the attack. a .40 caliber semi-automatic handgun. he had 10-round magazines for the gun, out of the 20 available rounds he shot 11 people, two people killed nine injured. in terms of the victims, the two people who were killed have been identified. 33-year-old jillian johnson and mayci breaux. jillian was a musician a public radio host. mayci breaux was to begin studies at lafayette general hospital. four of the nine injured have been treated and released from hospital which is good news. but five of the nine are still hospitalized including one of those five people said to be in critical condition. so we learned that in terms of how he did it and who he hurt. in terms of the shooter, we

learned two interesting and as yet not fully explained things about him. the first is his recent and extensive online activity and apparently radical political views which may or may not have had something to do with why he committed this crime. nbc news is reporting that the gunman appeared to have posted dozens of vehement comments on internet message boards that range from anti-gay to anti-semitic to generically anti-government. an interest in white supremacy groups. these are photos of the shooter taken in 2001 him in the lower right hand corner there, these taken in 2001 in front of a bar he once operated in la grange louisiana, response to the city's decision to revoke his liquor license that year he hung a swastika flag on the side of the building. no matter what has been reported and what has been circulated on line about this man's political beliefs and affiliations nobody's been able to prove thus

far that the reason he did what he didin that theater last night was because of those political beliefs, as of tonight the question of motive remains an open question. but the other thing, the other important thing we learned about the shooter concerns his apparent history of mental illness and how he was able to obtain the gun he used to kill those people last night. we learned from court records that in 2008 his family obtain add protective order against him. as part of that process a probate judge in georgia had this man involuntarily committed. he had him sent against his will to a hospital in columbus georgia. one thing about our country is very, very loose gun laws is that federal background checks are supposed to prevent you from being able to purchase a gun if the you've been adjudicated mentally ill by a court of law. this man was, in addition authorities in russell county alabama said this man was, a, treat there had for mental illness and they knew about it

and b, turned down for a concealed carry permit in that county a couple of years prior to treatment for mental illness because of arrests never the less, though, after all of that after the protective order, after being treated for mental illness, being involuntarily committed at a judge's order, this past year he was somehow able to buy a gun. he bought that handgun at a pawn shop in alabama early last year. and this is the part that's troubling. and that i don't understand. police say when he bought that handgun early last year in alabama it was a legal purchase. how can that be a legal purchase? what's done is done and as of tonight two people are dead one in critical condition, four others still being treated in the hospital. the shooter himself is dead. and all we have is we try to figure out how and why this happened are thus far unanswered questions how we could have had access to the gun, whether there was anything that could have been done to stop this from

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which are salted corn nuts covered in milk chocolate i'm making my way through. we could have given these but i'm eating them. this one, it's all natural bacon rub which gives you bacon wrapped flavor. you add it. all natural bacon flavor rub. no bacon. brown sugar, paprika, garlic, smoke flavors and yeast extract but it tastes like bacon. from iowa. >> okay. do i get to choose? >> yes. >> your jacket bacon rub, texas longhorns. >> bacon rub. >> we can do the texas long horn soon. congratulations on your new jacket. show them this - the american express card. don't leave home without it! and someday, i may even use it on the moon. it's a marvelous thing! oh! haha! so you can replace plane tickets,

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absolutely gorgeous. in raleigh, north carolina it's barely going to hit 90 degrees this weekend which for north carolina in the high summer that is pretty great. we don't usually do weather reports on this show. that is in part because i'm not nearly good looking enough to be perceived as qualified to describe the weather on american television. but there is a good good reason for even somebody who looks like me to talk about the weather this weekend as part of tonight's news. and here's why. at the end of this month the funding to maintain our country's highways and bridges is going to end. it's up to congress to pass a bill to make sure that doesn't happen. congress of course goes on vacation for the month of august. so tick-tock at the end july they are up against it to get that done. on that must pass highway bill republicans have attached all sorts of amendments that have nothing to do with funding roads and bridges. mitch mcconnell would like to use the bill to rebeale

obamacare. other republicans senators to go after planned parenthood or top the president's iran deal. what does that have to do with roads and bridges. nothing. it's how the senate works these days. because they need to pass a highway bill and time is ticking the senate is going to have to work through this weekend. a few members of the senate tried to skip down for a while today after their last vote today, but even if they did did leave today they will have to come back this weekend for votes on things that will have absolutely nothing to do with the highway bill, and votes on things that will never become law. so sorry, mike and jim, no weekend full of perfect idaho sunshine. sorry richard burr and tom tillis, you have to go to carolina in your minds. in reality you'll be in washington, d.c. entering votes on procedural motions and amendments that don't stand a chance and have nothing to do with the really important highway bill that you really are

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difficult. so it's great he was here. i'm grateful he agreed to come on. also, he said for the first time while he was here on this show that he regrets using the phrase man on dog when he was once asked about same-sex couples who want to get married. >> why did you say the word dog? >> i was quoting justice white in his 1986 decision and that's why i was referring to his opinion that that was the majority opinion at the time. that's why i discussed it the way i discussed it. >> you see -- >> i -- i wish -- trust me i wish i never said that. it was a flip comment made to a reporter who was, well not being particular professional in my opinion the way she was conducting the interview. i take responsibility for what i said. >> regret it? >> absolutely. it was a flip comment that

should not have come out of my mouth. >> rick santorum joined me and took back the man on dog comment about gay people that made him nationally famous for years before he ever even decided to run for president. now he is running for president again, and the other news he made during our interview is that he will participate in the proverbial kids table the fox news channel is offering to offer pitiful consolation prize to the candidates who that cable news network will not allow into the real republican presidential debate. so if senator sanitorium doesn't make the ten candidates only fox news debate inexplicable cutoff he said he will do the kids table thing instead even though he doesn't want to. >> i was very frank, i told them i don't think that's a good idea. i don't think -- >> are you going to do it? >> look i'm here. i'm going to take every opportunity i can. are you kidding me?

>> well if i'm a stepping stone to the kids table at fox news debate. >> congratulations. >> so very interesting to have republican presidential candidate rick santorum here. i hope to have all of the presidential candidates on this show, none of the rest of you ever said man on dog. think how much easier your interview will be here. i hope senator santorum will give me a good reference. it there's one thing i forgot to do in that interview. which i really wish i had done. we purchase add due main name a while back inspired by rick sanitorium story about him meeting a lady with a dog while he was door knocking on the campaign trail. the dog ended up peeking on him. quote, dog pee can't stop santorum. when that came out we bought dog pee can't stop santorum.com and set it up so when you go there

it redirects you to our website. while the senator was here i meant toop formally offer that website to him as a parting gift. senator, it's yours to do whatever you want to with it. in the end things got exciting at the end of the interview, taking back the man on dog thing and all of the rest. i totally forgot. now i'm making it right. i'm officially offering that website to senator santorum. sir, if you would like dog pee can't stop santorum.com it's all yours. we have changed the landing page of that web address so it no longer goes to maddow blog. it goes to watch, it goes to -- watch. where does it go? it goes to a lot of handsome pictures of rick santorum. there he is in glasses looking good with an american flag. now takes you to handsome pictures of rick santorum. if you want to direct people somewhere else all you have to do is ask. it's all yours.

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nice to be here. >> what was the topic of your neuroscience paper? >> had to do with semantic memory in alzheimer's patients. >> you are a fascinating guy. i'm happy you're here. thank you for playing. >> my pleasure. >> three multiple choice questions all about this week's news. i debated whether or not i could ask you questions about when steve kornacki was hosting the beginning of the week but only from shows that i hosted. that's only fair. sort of condensed quiz. if you get at least two right you'll win this. >> mini rachel maddow drink mixer. >> and for extra credit or consolation prize we have something for you that until tonight was cluttering up our office it's extra weird tonight. go ahead. >> we've got bacon rub. >> it's to create the sensation of bacon but there is no bacon in the bacon rub.

>> bacon rub. i look forward to rubbing it on something. not sure what. >> our friend anthony was producing in iowa apparently iowa's lousy with this stuff. we've got it for you. we also bring in the voice of steve from maddow blog. hello, steve. >> good evening to both of you. >> all right. yes. he's up there for you too. he's in all of our orbit. first question is from wednesday's show. on wednesday's show we described some possible movement on one of the first priorities president obama outlined when he came into office. the new york times reported that day that the white house as soon as next week may be giving a final plan to congress to accomplish which of the following goals? a, a nationwide $15 an hour minimum wage b, closing guantanamo, c, comprehensive

immigration reform, or d, changing the national motto to fired up and ready to go. >> much as i wish it was d i think it's b. >> did benny get that right? >> he did. the correct answer is b, closing guantanamo guantanamo. >> well done. thank you, steve. that's right. supposedly as early next week a plan will go to congress where it will die and the white house will do something else to get that done. something's going to happen. question two. last night's show we talked about the parallels between this year's run for the presidency by donald trump and the 1992 run for the presidency by ross perot. both men positioning themselves as independently wealthy straight talkers instead of being polished politicians. when ross perot ran for president, in july of that year 1992 he unexpectedly dropped out of the race in july and didn't re-enter the race again until october.

when ross perot came back to the campaign trail what explanation did he give for his three-month disappearance? did he say a, that honestly he got sick of campaigning. b, he had a business crisis at his company that he needed to attend to c, he had a prescheduled vacation that year that he didn't want to miss or d, he needed to avert a secret dirty trickster plot to disrupt his daughter's wedding. >> i am happy to say that the answer was d. >> steve? >> let's check last night's segment. >> i got this report from a fellow in arizona through an intermediary saying he had seen a doctored photograph they were going to give the tabloids to smear my daughter before her wedding and disrupt the wedding in the church. >> poor ross perot. the answer is d. >> what's that? >> hard to believe that's the correct answer. >> it really is and totally lost

to history at this point. nobody remembers that he was gone for months r. last question. from last night's show. also about donald trump. sorry. we mentioned a "new york times" report about a possible plan to keep donald trump out of the republican presidential debates. according to "the new york times," what criteria could the other republican candidates insist on to potentially keep donald trump out of the debates. a, they could say they will only debate people who commit to running as a republican, and not running as a third party candidate, b, say they will only debate people who have run for at least one lower office before seeking the presidency c, they could say they will not debate anyone who questions the heroic war record of senator john mccain or d, say they will not debate anyone who can't pronounce the word huge. >> how i wish it was d this time. but it's a. >> you got the answer for us? >> let's check the segment.

>> one interesting thing in "the new york times" reporting that in republican circles they are now so worried about the potentially disruptive effect of mr. trump on the debates they floated the idea that maybe some of the other candidates should say they won't participate in a debate as long as donald trump is there, specifically because he won't rule out running as an independent. >> a, and benny is correct. >> is i sort of believe that not only were you right on all of these but these were easy and maybe you should come work here. >> sure. i'm free next week. next time i'm in new york. >> very good. what is benny going to win? >> got the shaker and rub bacon on everything. >> bacon. >> cocktails. >> if you come wake-up a way to use the fake bacon in a cocktail do not tell us about it and the job offer is off. benny, thank you. it's great to have you here. thanks for playing. >> take care. >> if you want to play send us

an e-mail tell us who you are, where you're from why you want to play the news dump we really want you to take our ridiculous junk because it's weirder all the time. "weekends with alex witt" starts now. a new picture emerging we're hearing more about the man behind the louisiana theater shooting, and the victims. i'll talk to a witness who was at the scene. history in the making. the president's trip to kenya. we'll take you there live as a welcoming event is set to get under way any time nouf. >> the hillary clinton e-mail saga. trying to separate fact from fiction when it comes to an account she used as secretary of state. recall, a u.s. automaker taking swift action after one of its cars was taken over by a hacker and crashed.