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presidential family reunion, the mind of the movie theater shooting and what has donald trump done now? we've got a lot to cover this morning. let's get started. all right. good morning thanks forgetting up with us on what is a busy saturday morning a lot of news a lost politics to juggle these next two hours. president obama is in nairobi, kenya, at this hour his first visit to his father's homeland since becoming president of the united states. more on that in just a few minutes. we're also learning more this morning about the shooter who opened fire in a louisiana movie theater. those details are straight ahead. we begin this hour in des moines, iowa the capital city of iowa, the dateline for today
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for donald trump the mogul who would be president is once again making waves this times by banning reporters who work for a newspaper that's been critical of his run for president. the trump campaign denied the "des moines register" press credentials after the paper's editorial board called for trump to drop out of the race. that paper released a statement that says quote, we are disappointed that mr. trump's company has taken the unusual step of excluding registered reporters from covering his campaign event in iowa on saturday because he was displeased with our editorial. as we previously said the editorial has no bearing on our news coverage. we work hard to provide iowans with coverage of all the candidates when they spend time in iowa and this is obviously impeding our ability to do so. we hope mr. trump's campaign will revisit its decision instead of making punitive decisions because we wrote something critical of him. let's bring in this morning's panel. we have msnbc contributor victoria defran chase co-soto,
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fellow with the lbj school of public affairs at the university of texas, amy holmes anchor at the blaze.com and evan san torah, white house correspondent with buzzfeed. >> you know how i feel about iowa. i think it gets way too much importance. this is the one thing i kind of support trump on he's rebuffing iowa. >> you really have it in for iowa. >> i do. i do. >> in the past two presidential elections, actually iowa has not decided the gop candidate. it is good for trump to get these headlines. scott walker is nine points ahead of donald trump in iowa. this is good for him. >> this is what trump does he goes to war with the press. >> trump is out there talking about how serious he is about running for president. i put my financial records out, i'm really doing it. don't par the press from the biggest paper in the state that you need to win the iowa
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caucuses. i think it's a slap in the face. of cows you shouldn't bar reporters from events. >> you know what? >> it would be a beautiful golden rope golden velvet rope. it would be beautiful, yeah. >> a lasso of truth here. let's look at iowa and the point that you make. john mccain lost iowa mitt romney lost iowa. iowa does not decide the gop nominee. >> it plays a key role especially talking a race of 16 candidates of winnowing the field. if john mccain was competitive in 2008 milt romney came eight votes away from winning. the thing about trump that i see is this is a guy right now who is embracing the war with the media. you saw him at this press conference the other day. i think it was jose bell hard tried to ask him a question and
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he cut him off. the crowds rallying behind him. when a see a major newspaper in iowa editorializing against trump and trump fighting back. thumb trump likes this fight. >> trump is running a reality show-style campaign. he has to have a new war every week. first the war with jeb when he first came out, then recently with lindsey graham publishing his phone number on national television. he's talked about rick perry. now the "des moines register." next it will be something else. he has to have this target because that's how you get the target for trump. this is the truth i'm telling, the war i'm fighting. >> also remember his constituency and that's gop voters. you know what? the media is not very popular with those voters. i think donald trump is picking a very ripe target when it comes to voters. >> and he has no substance. he has to pick these fights. he has to make the headlines this way because he's not going to make the headlines say look at that foreign policy that trump has. that is really interesting stuff
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he's putting out there with regards to tax reform policy. >> but mexico is going to pay for the wall. >> look at that time other candidates. the more trump talks about the border -- now talking more about the border less and more about lipid say graham's phone number. when he's talking about the borders that's when we saw other candidates in the race worried and upset, trying to not tick off the voters that he's reaching out to with his border comments. he doesn't have a lot of substance. when he gets into the border issue, it seems to shake up the other candidates -- >> he's not saying anything -- not saying anything specific about -- his foreign policy is america is the best don't mess with it. >> and also china. >> he still does business with china. what he's picking up on too, following the ang ser out there for so long towards the political system to its logical extreme. everybody always says they're
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angry with washington frustrated with congress. everybody at politics draws the line at personally attacking members of congress, members of your own party. he says i don't like lipid say graham, i don't like john mccain. he names names and says things that probably within the republican party, a lot of the voters in the republican party feel. >> look who is following his lead, ted cruz on the senate floor attacking mitch mcconnell, the majority leader. there's speculation this is ted cruz trying to tap into that anti-establishment donald trump mania that donald trump has been able to use to great effect. i think going back to donald trump's straj difficult, the question is he looking for more schlepity or is he really looking to get the gop nomination? >> celebrity. my vote goes with celebrity. it's like keeping up with the kardashians. it's keeping up with trump. >> can he keep this up for 15 months? >> i think he's going to run
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third party. that's what we'll see going forward. >> at a certain point i feel like this is the guy who sprents all out -- i tried to run a marathon once. the first mile record time. i said wait i've got 25 more to go. >> how long has "keeping up with the kardashians" been on tr sf. >> five years? i don't know. >> the first thing was president obama's birth sercertificate in 2012. and now a regional paper in iowa. if he keeps going like this he'll be attacking an individual business owner in south carolina at some point. you didn't get my doughnut the right size or something like that. >> we'll have more on trump later. again, he is in iowa today. i guess the "des moines register" is going to try to cover that event. a little adventure later today. we'll update you on that as we learn more. meanwhile, more than 8,000
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miles east of des moines president obama's visit to kenya now under way. he's not only the first american president to visit kenya while in office the trip is also full of symbolism for the president. earlier this morning at a business summit he acknowledged the personal nature of his trip. >> obviously this is personal for me. there's a reason why my name is bar ram huack hussein obama. my father came from these parts. i have family and relatives here. in my visits over the years walking the streets of nairobi, i've come to know the warmth and the spirit of the kenyan people. >> nbc news senior white house correspondent chris jansing is with the president in kenya. chris, this trip a mix of personal and business for the president. i heard he met with his family earlier last night. how did that go? >> reporter: well first let me say i didn't think of nairobi as
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being 8,000 miles east of des moines. i'm looking at where i am in a whole different way. obviously part of the reason this trip is getting so much attention is because of the personal resonance it has for this president. of course he wrote about it so movingly in his memoir. last night the dinner seemed like it was a pretty raucous affair. sitting on one side was the woman he calls mamma sarah, that is his step grandmother. on the other side his half sister alma, somebody he has seen quite a bit over the last couple years. even though he said coming in here, look it's very different coming here as president of the united states as it is as a private citizen and it means he can't move around as easily it's very important to him, these familial ties here. he also hopes to leverage the personal popularity he has here. they don't consider him an african-american. they consider him a kenyan-american. he has strong disagreements with the government here on things
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like human rights gay rights that he hopes his 80% popularity rating with the kenyan people will help him with. there's also business going on this morning, a very busy morning. he was co-host of the global entrepreneur summit talked a lot about emerging technologies. this is a place that has been successful with sort of cutting edge cell phone technology. he brought along a number of successful american entrepreneurs with him, steve case from aol, one of the co-founders of air b andb. he also took a tour of programs designed to bring more electricity to kenya. that has been a point of contention here. two years ago he launched this program to bring electricity to double the amount of electricity in five years. it's been very slow getting off the ground. one of the things he hopes to do here is move on some of the programs that he began particularly in earnest about a year ago when he had an african summit in washington, d.c. but coming in here i talked to
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people both who are close to him and who analyze african affairs. one of the things they said to me steve this is a chance for him to move forward on his legacy as it relates to his african -- the african continent, so important, of course because of his familial ties here. steve? >> all right, nbc's chris jansing in nairobi. they call that the des moines of africa. no, i have no idea. 8,000 miles away. we learned that today. the president will be having a press conference about an hour and a half from now with the president of kenya. we'll cover that for you live when it happens. stay tuned for that. right now we'll turn to lafayette, louisiana, where we're learning more about the gunman who opened fire in a movie theater on thursday. authorities say john russell houser was a drifted. they found disguises stashed in his nearby motel room which suggests he planned to try to escape. in the immediate aftermath he tried to flee by blending in with the crowd. once he saw police officer
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approach turned back into the theater and took his own life. investigators are looking for the motive of the attack in which two were killed nine more injured. they say houser had a record of quote, extreme erratic behavior with his family asking for a protective order back in 2008. msnbc's craig melvin in live in lafayette. craig, a lot of puzzle pieces to put together here. what is the latest? >> reporter: the latest right now, we can tell you, based on a news conference held here last evening that law enforcement officials believe that the folks who remain in the hospital will be released at some point. the thinking at this point is that there should not be anymore victims. there was a vigil here in lafayette last night held at the college, u of l, a stone's throw from this theater. in fact, a number of the students who attended that vigil said they would come here on thursday nights. they would walk through this theater when they had free time in college. many of them vowed to return to
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this theater when it reopened as well. as for the shooter that you just mentioned, steve, he has a history of mental illness, his wife in a divorce filing said at one point he was supposed to be taking medication every day. he was not. he was supposed to be eating meals on a regular basis. he would not always do that which exacerbated his condition. beyond the mental illness there's a component of this story we discovered in the past 24 hours quite troubling to a lot of folks. the online rants and postings antigovernment anti-gay, anti anti-semitic as well. this was a guy who ran for public office at one point in columbus georgia. his associate who is a mayor of a particular town in georgia told me yesterday during an interview that he had a short fuse. he was one of those guys that you were sometimes afraid to disagree with. in addition to that there had been some question yesterday about precisely how he obtained the gun.
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we learned he did get the gun legally. he bought it at a pawnshop in alabama back in 2014 bought that 40 caliber handgun legally. steve? >> craig melvin in lafayette, louisiana. appreciate the time this morning. thank you. still ahead, the obama administration gets grilled by congress on its nuclear deal with iran. we'll take a look at what lies ahead for winning approval for that deal. can the white house pull that off? first, hillary clinton gave a big economic speech yesterday. all anyone could talk about was her e-mails. we'll be putting that story into context. that is next.
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what you know right now about the latest questions over hillary clinton's use of a private e-mail account as secretary of state probably depends on when you were hearing
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or reading about the story in the first place, because events have rapidly evolved over the past 36 hours since this latest eruption came to the surface, and the essential facts, though are these. two inspectors general, independent watchdogs for government agencies have asked the justice department to investigate whether anyone mishandled sensitive government information related to clinton's e-mail account. this is a report that set off a firestorm when "the new york times" first published it on thursday night. but since then some more information has trickled out, making it difficult to know exactly what to make of all of this. first "the times" issued a correction to the story stressing it was unclear who the target of the investigation is. in other words, it may not be hillary clinton herself as the headline in the story initially seemed to suggest. later, the two inspectors general released a joint statement to say four classified e-mails, four that were part of a small sample taken out of tens of thousands, four classified e-mails were sent from clinton's
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account. but they said those e-mails did not contain classification markings even though they added classified information should never have been transmitted via an unclassified personal system. and they stressed what the clinton campaign has been saying all along, that this was not a referral asking for a criminal investigation, again, despite the headline in "the new york times" initially. it was made simply for counterintelligence purposes. hillary clinton has always maintained she never did anything wrong with her personal e-mail account as secretary of state. yesterday in the wake of this new flap she once again denied any wrongdoing. >> maybe the heat is getting to everybody. i have said repeatedly that i will answer questions before the house committee. we are all accountable to the american people to get the facts right, and i will do my part. but i'm also going to stay
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focused on the issues particularly the big issues that really matter to american families. >> so let's try to figure this out with the panel here. this story does look very different now. when i first read the "new york times" story yesterday morning, two things jumped out at me. one was the suggestion that this was about hillary clinton personally this was an investigation of hillary clinton. the second was that this was criminal in nature. it is not a criminal investigation, not directly involving hillary clinton. so that seems to to take at least when it comes to this particular story, seems to take some of the bite out of zblit that was hillary clinton's campaign's hope when they contacted the "new york times" to try to change the headline but it involves her personal e-mail. did she write it? did her assistant write it? to me this is classic textbook clinton, throw up dust try to obfuscate, try to get us all in the weeds. the basic core is hillary
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clinton used her personal e-mail account to conduct state department business against obama white house regulations actually. she claimed she never trafficked in classified information which is very hard to believe if that's the only e-mail address that she used as secretary of state. give me a break. >> the question is what new are we learning? we know they set up the pry sat server, the obama administration said we don't want you doing this. they went and did it anyway. she'll say i turned over 55,000 e-mails or 55,000 pages of e-mails. >> at her direction. >> she will not turn over the server. we've known those basics for a while. that's exposed the clintons to plenty of attacks. in terms of the new story i'm struggling to figure out exactly what they're telling us. >> at the very least i think what we've learned is this personal private e-mail system appears to have been legal, wreaked havoc inside the system people have to investigate it. people have to look into it. that seems to be that's kind of
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a problem in terms of the havoc it's created and chaos it created. however, when you have a situation in which the original story is so different than the corrected story -- this is a story throughout the campaign so far, "the new york times" did a story about rubio. the rubio campaign was able to see look how these stories aren't exactly right. that got rid of that story line. if you're going to do a story line like this you've got to be right about it. >> is that the headline that comes out of here? i was on one of the shows yesterday afternoon and a clinton campaign spokesman was on. he said look "the new york times" got taken by a ride by political opponents on the benghazi committee. that's what the clinton campaign was saying. >> the bigger picture, here two points. first of all, hindsight is 20/20. she shouldn't have had a personal server. you can't go back in time. the second point is she is a front-runner. yes there's bernie sanders, yes,
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there's o'malley. she's going to be in the spotlight and will have to deal with this pretty much until september of next year. that's when you get when you're the front-runner when the republicans are fighting amongst them sechlts i expect to see another couple months of this. >> the controversy here is hillary clinton set up this private e-mail account out of her house on purpose, and she went around the obama administration's own instructions in order to do this to keep control of these e-mails. we're taking her word for it when she said i've turned overall these e-mails and my lawyers have gone through it and we've given you what we think is appropriate. we're taking her word for it. >> this is my point, there is a story here. the point s when there is a story here and the story that comes out is the wrong story, you a perfect tinder and flint for a huge media firestorm in which people who want the story to be really right and bad about hillary clinton go crazy. people who want hillary clinton's story to be good go crazy as well. they're like look "the new york times" is wrong and the
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people who don't like her say hillary was wrong. the reporting has to be right the first time before you start saying criminal investigation. that's a big, big deal. if you were happy for the 40 minutes that that story was up before they changed it and then they changed it or you're happy now, hillary has a lot of questions to answer about this. >> certainly. >> no question about that. but when we're seeing this repeated pattern of reporting coming out of this benghazi committee and out of this frankly, the republican oversight -- >> this is out of "the new york times" oigs saying they referred this -- >> over and over and over. >> the clinton campaign is saying this is coming out of the benghazi committee, tray gowdy's committee. they're saying the republicans are leaking this out. the times got taken for a ride. they put this negative headline on it. they had to take it back. "the times" looks bad here.
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it does look like this is something that proceeds on two tracks. we're at a point where any story that comes out, this will happen a lot, any story that comes out that involves the word clinton and e-mail and server there is a baseline of suspicion that's out there now because people look -- >> that she created by her own actions. >> as evan says the story ultimately has to be right. i'm still confuse fd we learned anything new. still ahead, hillary clinton's bold new stand on raising the minimum wage even boulder demands her democratic challengers are making of her. next we'll go live to illinois where sandra bland, found dead in a texas jail cell where she'll be laid to rest today. ♪
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geico motorcycle great rates for great rides. tonchts day family and friends will pay their last respects to sandra bland, the woman found dead in a texas jail cell earlier this month. the 28-year-old was found
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hanging in a jail cell three days after her arrest for allegedly assaulting a police officer during a rueoutine traffic stop. the medical examiner ruled her death a suicide. prosecutors are looking to determine if the state trooper who arrested bland may have violated any laws. dash cam video released by the texas department of public trooper shows the trooper issuing what he called a lawful order to exit the vehicle. the trooper pulls what appears to be a stun gun. the episode lasted about 15 minutes. joy reid joining us in lyle illinois. what can you tell us about what's going on today. >> reporter: good morning, steve. as you said there will be a wake and funeral at dupage a&m church. her family has been members of this church for more than 20 years. meanwhile, as this funeral is taking place bringing closure to the family in texas three
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separate investigations continuing to go on. the texas rangers and the fbi as well as state authorities are looking into the death of sandra bland which, while it has been ruled a suicide, that doesn't end the investigation into the procedures at the warren county jail and how it could be that she could wind up hanging herself in her cell. meanwhile trooper brian en cena facing a separate investigation by the texas department of public safety already determined to have violated policies in that trophic stop. >> joy reid in lisle, illinois. still ahead, understand dogging born and raised on the streets of new york are shaping the race for the white house. and the iran deal shifts into high gear. go roam sleep in sleep out star gaze dream big wander more care less beat sunrise chase sunset
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president obama meeting with house democrats in the situation room for an hour and a half on thursday before flying off to africa. secretary of state john kerry heading to his old stomping grounds on capitol hill for a hearing at which his former senate colleagues voiced concerns about the dealerly and often. >> i'm sorry. not unlike a hotel guest that leaves only with a hotel bathrobe on his back i believe we've been fleeced. >> to be able to walk away from this and say that this is a good deal is ludicrous. with all due respect, you guys have been bamboozled. >> under no circumstances will they be allowed to get a nuclear weapon. in fact i think ash carter reiterated publicly very specifically -- >> no no please. i have limited time. you've been with the iranians two years. i have seven minutes. >> this deal is your deal with
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iran i mean yours meaning this administration. the next president is under no legal or moral obligation to live up to it. the iranian regime in the world show know the majority of members in this congress do not support this deal and the deal could go away on the deal that president obama leaves office. >> i am confident that the next president of the united states will have enough common sense that this is being applied properly, if it's being implemented fully, they won't arbitrarily end it. if you think the ayatollah is going to come back again and negotiate with an american, that's fantasy. >> that is probably just the beginning of the skepticism with 54 more days to go now for congress to review this deal is the nuclear deal with iran in danger? joining me to break it down is manu raj ju senior political reporter at politico. manu, so many interesting plots and sub plots.
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let me start with bob corker the top republican there. i was talking to people just a week ago supporting this deal saying, look koerk has actually been quiet on this. if there's one republican out there who the white house maybe could have a chance of picking off in this deal it's bob corker. that's not the bob corker we saw at this hearing. >> no it's not. i talked to corker several times about this in the run-up to the iran deal coming up. he wanted to showcase a more pragmatic view. he didn't want to show up throwing bombs thon deal right away. that's his style, a more pragmatic member that can work with the administration. he's ratcheting up the drum beat. he's most certainly going to oppose this deal. i think that's a worrying sign for the administration, that they will not get probably any republican support. so their focus right now, the administration's focus right now is ensuring that they have enough democratic support to sustain a veto.
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that means that's very important for the white house right now. that's why you're seeing that lobbying drive really target some of the swing democrats because eventually at the end of the day, they'll be the ones critical in ensuring this deals goes through. >> last weekend we had chuck schumer on the show the senator from new york, who probably is key to the question of how many defections there will be. he said i'm going spend the weekend reading this deal make phone calls on this. any indication where schumer is going to come down on this? the other question is schumer is not just where he comes down but how hard? does he do it kwooi quietly. >> he's very key. the next democratic leader a hawk with jewish donors and supporters. a lot of people very skeptical of this deal but also very loyal to this administration.
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he's in a bind politically. schumer is not saying what he's going to do yet. he continues to say he's reviewing the deal. the question is going to be not just for schumer, but the 18 jewish democrats in the house, very important in making sure -- deciding which way this deal goes. the question is going to be what happens what happens over the august recess. there's going to be a month time frame when the opponents of this deal hope to ratchet up the opposition, hope to put pressure on particularly those jewish democrats like shuker and hope they can turn them against the administration. they believe they can replicate that tactic over the health care fight in 2009 when the town halls really shaped the final aspects of the debate. i'm not sure if it will work this time. clearly that's the hope and clearly people like schumer will be in the crosshairs. >> there was a very interesting mystery surrounding this. a story that came out in the "wall street journal" yesterday that may be connected to the
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politics of this. there was a report in the "wall street journal" that jonathan pollard, the israeli spy convicted in the 1980s of espionage, serving time in united states since then. his cause of freeing jonathan pollard to the pro israel crowd. there was a report saying the u.s. is preparing to release him. doj now is saying look we want him to zephyr his full sentence. he'd be eligible for parole i believe this november a full 30-year sentence eligible for parole starting this november. mixed signals here. manu obviously if this administration were to release jonathan pollard at this political moment that would be seen as an effort to win over these pro israel skeptics in the senate. >> yes, and it could give those democrats we were just talking about some cover saying hey, look this is something that's good positive for those pro israeli folks, people pushing very hard for his release, even if they turn around and they
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vote for a deal that actually could anger some of those same supporters. potentially there could be some connection there although the administration certainly denies it's the case. >> okay. politico's manu raju thanks for your time. appreciate that. still ahead, could donnell trump play the spoiler by going independent? we'll get into that ahead. first, a top wall street regulator now banking on hillary clinton. gary gentzler from the clinton campaign joins us next. but to get from the old way to the new you'll need the right it infrastructure. from a partner who knows how to make your enterprise more agile, borderless and secure. hp helps business move on all the possibilities of today. and stay ready for everything that is still to come.
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>> that was hillary clinton throwing her support behind new york state's move this week to dramatically raise wages for fast food workers all across the empire state over the next six years. this is a victory for low-wage workers who first took to the streets of new york city three years ago making what seemed then to be an improbable demand. clinton has not gone as far as her fellow democratic candidates, bernie sanders and martin o'malley. both of them are calling for a national minimum wage of $15 an hour. on wednesday senator sand ders introducing legislation in the u.s. senate to more than double the federal minimum wage. >> all of our workers from coast to coast need at least 15 bucks an hour. seattle did it los angeles did it new york city has done it. it's time for the federal government to do it. >> joining me now is chief
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financial officer gary gentzler a former wall street regulator who worked to implement the dodd-frank regulations. thanks for being here. >> great to be here steve. >> new york state, they have said this week if you work in the fast food industry, fast food workers now over the next few years, they'll raise the minimum wage to $15 an hour, just for fat food workers in new york. hillary clinton says she supports that. bernie sanders is why not $15 for every worker in america. what do you say to that? >> hillary clinton the central thing of her campaign is ensuring this company works for all americans. she's supported the new york increase in the minimum wage. she supports a federal increase in minimum wage as well. it's critical for the fairness of our economy. >> she supports the federal raise to $10.10 an hour. is that right? >> she supports lifting up the
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federal -- >> is there a number specifically? >> i'm going to let hillary speak to a specific number. >> so why not $15 nationally? fast food workers in new york state, $15 an hour. sanders says everyone in the country, $15 an hour. why not? >> i understand that. she believes we have to lift up this economy and ensure the central problem is that our economy is not working for everybody. we have to grow it faster but we have to make sure it's fair. to make sure it's fair, just like here in new york just like in seattle and los angeles, there's going to be places where it goes beyond the federal limit, but the federal minimum wage needs to go up and it needs to be a floor where a other regions can even go further. >> so you think $15 as a flat rate nationally, there are parts of this country where that's too high. >> there's parts of this country that she supports getting to that level. obviously there are different costs of living in different
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places. it's important to raise the minimum wage across this country ensuring the economy works for all americans. we've gone decades now, and middle wage americans haven't taken part. >> different parts of the country -- everybody is not manhattan. new york state is pretty big. geographically you have very rural areas, very poor areas. >> absolutely. hilly knows as well. she represented the state well. >> the rule here is not just applying to manhattan. this is not just new york city. this is all of new york state. this is rural areas, impoverished areas of the state, it's also going to be $15 an hour. i want to know why that's not okay nationally. there's a lot of economic diversity within new york state. >> hillary clinton is going to have a lot to say about the economy, and we have to make sure the economy grows faster and it's also fair. she supports increasing the
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minimum wage nationally have a federal floor, but she also supports where states go further and cities go further as new york has proposed. >> does it make sense? the other part of this new york -- the new rules in new york it's fast food only. i'm won drg aboutdering about that. if you're working at mcdonald's, $15 an hour. if you're working across the street at the gap or something, it could still be $10 an hour $9 an hour. does that make sense? >> we have to focus on ensuring this economy works for all americans. this proposal is one that she supports and i think as she said she supports it in other cities and localities as well. >> gary gensler with the hillary campaign thanks so much. appreciate it. still ahead, why donald trump can give republicans an even bigger headache if he bolts the party, drops out of the
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of the other headlines making news with this morning's panel. let's see where this is from. look at this msnbc, william shatner, ted cruz calling kirk a republican is silly. this is interesting. "the new york times" magazine asked self-professed star wars nerd. he talked about captain kirk william shatner's old character. in a few movies he said i think it's quite likely kirk is a republican and picard the next generation is a democrat. shatner responded on twitter, star trek wasn't political.
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i'm not political. i can't even vote in the u.s. so to put a gio centric label on interstall lars is silly. >> in star trek 4 the woman asked kirk if he has any money. they've gone back in time to the 1980s. kirk says where i come from there's no money. wah kirk lives in the 21st century -- >> are you really doing this? >> in the 21st century, there's money. it's almost like a pure communist economy. there's no money, no social stratification. the idea he would fall into the normal political lines doesn't make any sense. the other thing is look picard is a diplomat, that's true where kirk wasn't as much as a diplomat. >> they had a prime directive, that they couldn't interfere with cultures that they went to
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visit. i actually love sci-fi and i think star trek was political when it comes to interracial relationships, enter alien. if you look at the bourque, the bourque are purely socialist. >> you have more to say about this than i ever expected. >> as a person that watched star truck, i'm saying it's ridiculous. >> if they didn't have money, maybe they had gold maybe they're ron paul supporters. >> they had gold press latinum as we learned from free space 9. >> this was the '60s. so it's settled. >> captain kirk was quite a womanizer. let's see what else we have here. we've got three stories here when you get three together it's a trend. we'll go through all three of
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these. this is three of the most interesting animal stories, first from "the daily news," a feisty alligator on the streets of new york city. this is in new york city. this was yesterday. police took this picture of an alligator, a two-foot long alligator wandering the streets. it later died i don't know exactly how. experts say the gator was likely a pet. i want to know who these people are who keep alligators are as pets. anyway, what else do we have? >> i thought your whole sewer system is full of alligators. >> they come out of the sink. >> ninja turtles down there. >> i've heard the story, it scares me -- >> that was a plot line in a spiter man film. i don't know. >> we're going through all the sci-fi films. number two, from "the new york times," national park visitors can't resist bison
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despite warnings. a woman was injured at yellowstone national park when she turned her back on the bison, the bison lifted the woman up and threw her. some readers responded by tweeting their own selfies with bison. and a california man was bitten while trying to take a selfie with a rattle snake andnded up getting a $153,000 hospital bill t. san diego man lucky to be alive after picking up the snake in the brush -- >> who are these people? >> this is our country. >> is it because we have so little contact with animals? i grew up kind of small town rural areas, you would see rattle snakes and you would go the other way. you saw the cows and you said you know what they may look cute but you don't go cow tipping. you see them on tv and maybe they look cute and cuddly. >> morons.
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it reminds me of the people who go to the zoo and hop over the railing to pet the lions and the bears. we used to call it thinning of the herd the human herd. >> think about how good a selfie that would be with a rattle snake. i suggest more people do this. >> it would probably get a hundred instagram hits. everybody is looking to go viral. it leads them to do -- there was a story out of texas, a guy at a lake and there were signs all over the place that said don't jump in there are alligators. i read the story. supposedly he said f'ing alligator and he jumped in and he was killed. it's a terrible story. it's mind-boggling, these animal stories. anyway, we saw three of them. we had to share them. >> it's not the animal's fault. >> no not in these cases. >> oftentimes these animals are put down because of human idiocy
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a presidential press conference and could donald trump play the ultimate spoiler? thanks for staying with us as we continue on this saturday morning. we are awaiting a press conference from president obama as he makes his first visit, the first visit ever by a sitting american president to kenya. we're also learning more this morning about the shooter in the louisiana movie massacre. why did his family fear him and how did he get the gun? we're awaiting a press conference from president obama and the president of kenya. that is due to begin sometime this hour. we'll bring it to you live when this happens. nbc senior white house correspondent chris jansing is with us now. what can we expect at this press conference later this hour? >> reporter: i think we'll get
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some hard questions. we've already heard over the curse of the 12 hours that president obama has been here about the things he agrees on with president kenyatta, things like fighting terrorists. he was laying the wreath at the site of the bombing of the u.s. embassy in nairobi, islamic extremists blamed for that. that's still obviously a problem in this part of the world. these two countries have worked together on that. they spent the morning talking about entrepreneur ship and how to move forward to build the economy here and make it more available to those at the lower rung at the economic ladder. what we haven't heard about are the things that have caused tension between these two countries, largely human rights, gay rights questions about policies across the african continent that in many countries make it illegal to be a homosexual, that have harsh punishments and really some of the snide remarks made by leaders here in africa about president obama and the supreme court ruling on gay marriage and his support of gay marriage.
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i think we can expect to hear about that and other ways in which these two countries are expected to move forward under what are sometimes awkward circumstances, steve. >> all right, thank you chris jansing, live in kenya. meanwhile, turning to domestic politics back here at home as we've been reporting donald trump will be in iowa today for a rally and picnic. this is his second straight weekend of campaigning in the hawkeye state, a state in which just 32% of voters have a favorable view of trump, 57% meanwhile seeing him unfavorably, this according to a new quinnipiac poll. ha is the worst favorability rating of any of the republican candidates in that state. today's visit by trump also comes just a few days after the "des moines register's" editorial board called on him to drop out of the race describing his campaign as quote, a believe ating side show. the trump campaign has denied the paper press credentials and is trying to keep it from covering today's event.
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nbc's katy tur is live in ossing loose is a iowa. that's where trump will appear later today. katy, drama we've come to expect with donald trump and any appearance he has. he's trying to shut out the largest newspaper in iowa. is he going to be able to do that? what are we expecting at this event today? >> reporter: well, he can. i think if you're a writer for the "des moines register," you can pretty much walk in. security at these things has never been very tight. if you don't have a press credential, you can walk in and pretend you're a member of the crowd and cover. two interesting things by banning them he's sending a message to the rest of the press saying if you don't say what we want you to say or what we'd like you to say we're not going to let you cover our events. we've certainly been threatened with that over the course of the campaign so far. secondly, the more interesting thing and the bigger picture, every event he's been to something big, something news
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making controversial has come out of each event. he had the mccain graph, reading lindsey graham's cell phone at the next one, then covering the border down in texas. he's talking about running for a third party down there. up here where he had not been making more news because it's a saturday he's decided to ban the "des moines register," a reason to get people talking about his campaign on what would otherwise be a normal campaign stop that wouldn't necessarily make news. >> that's a really interesting way of looking at it. this is a guy who has a nose for how to get publicity and attention. katy tur live in oskaloosa, alabama. thanks for your time. appreciate it. donald trump leads the republican field in several recent national polls including an 11-point advantage in a new "washington post"/abc news poll nearly doubling up the second place candidate, scott walker. it would be an understatement to say trump has ruffled a few
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feathers within the republican party. the businessman could give the gop an even bigger headache if he doesn't win the republican nomination telling the hill newspaper that in that case he would consider running as a third party candidate if he doesn't feel he's been treated fairly by the republican national committee. the thought of that the thought of a big third party candidacy might take you back to the year 1992, it does for me when ross perot, a business mogul with no political experience ran for president. perot garnered 19% of the vote in that race. it was enough if you ask many republicans, they will say in many cases that it cost george h.w. bush his re-election bid and sent bill clinton to the white house. i think that's a myth for a couple reasons. exit polls found 38% of perot supporters said bush was their second choigs. the same number said clinton was their second choice which means perot's campaign seems to have hurt clinton and bush equally. consider what would happen if
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trump were to run as a third party candidate in 2016. according to the most recent poll hillary clinton would beat jeb bush considered the gop establishment front-runner by six points if they're matched together in a two-way race. if you add trump to the mix, you may get a three-way race. look at that. clinton's lead explodes to 16 points, a six-point lead in a twosh-way race a 16-point lead in a three-way race. that's clear evidence that donald trump would have a very negative effect on the republicans as an independent candidate. let's talk more about that possibility that trump is dangling out there with e.j. dionne, msnbc contributor and columnist with "the washington post." he's joining msnbc contributor victor yoo defran cresco soto evan mcmorris santoro from buzzfeed. the myth of ross perot, it's casually thrown out there, he
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cost george bush the election. a lot of the stories i went back and wrote are your stories covering that campaign in 1992. i wonder when you look back at the per wrote dpen no, ma'am none and look at what donald trump is threatening to do right now, what are the similarities and differences you see? >> i think the biggest difference is the one you just showed on the screen which is that trump, particularly now he's running in the republican primary. perot didn't run in any party's primary. so trump is clearly winning mainly conservative support. so hillary clinton's lead goes from six to 16 when you put trump in the race. perot, on the other hand, was somebody with a real mix of views. some of his views, particularly on social issues were quite liberal, and some of his other views were fairly conservative. he was against free trade, against nafta which cuts little bit into both parties. that's why it wasn't surprising
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that he took equally from both candidates. we actually went back at the time and tried to look state by state. the only state trump might have flipped to clinton from bush was ohio. even if you count that clinton still wins. you're right in the piece you wrote, it is a myth. a couple things they have in common. one, obviously a business guy, i can get things done. and the other is to speak for a broad and quite general anger that's in the electorate about washington, about congress about things not getting done. the last difference is perot was very specific on a lot of issues. trump just seems to like to call people losers and morons. >> let me ask the panel. this is the dreaded scenario right now, amy, for republicans. i don't think the perot thing cost bush. you look at those numbers, that's clear evidence, drum
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trump doing what he's doing hurts republicans if he runs third party. >> if he runs third party. does he want to reach into his own pocket to fund a multimillion dollar campaign. that's to be decided. we should look at the state polls. looking at iowa trump is having a good time, creating controversy with the "des moines register." he's far behind scott walker. again, jeb bush for example, is up in florida. john kasich he's up in ohio. when you look at a state-by-state basis, this poll is misleading. on this network yesterday on msnbc, i had a chance to talk with mr. trump and i asked him why he said in the past he identified more as a democrat and believed the economy did better under democrats.
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some are saying donald trump is in the a conservative and does not represent republican values. >> trump has said many many things in the past that would paint him as not in line with today's conservatives. it's a question of the and when it catches up with him. trump is basically saying to republicans, there's a threat of the third party candidacy saying you've got to treat me with respect. if you want to take him at his word republicans have a fine line to walk. can they use the kind of ammunition against trump that amy was just talking about without angering trump so much that he bolts? >> it seems to me so far what they've done is tried to sort of ride that line. when trump said what he said about mccain which i don't think was a gaff. it's something he said a bunch of times. 15 years ago he said he didn't think mccain was a war hero because of being captured. the gop jumped all over him. the rnc said you can't say this kind of thing, it's terrible we don't like it.
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when it comes to debates they're saying, look f you qualify for the debates and you're running as republican, you get to go. so far they seem to be trying to keep that balance going which is that, when it comes to some of the more outlandish things, they'll go after him. when it comes to letting him run a campaign they'll let him do that. >> what i found interesting aside from the hat itself the message on the hat, make america great again. the first thing that came to my mind was morning in america, ronald reagan 1984 let's make america prouder, stronger better. i find it interesting, he is this guy who likes to use the anger, but we're also seeing him try to infuse some optimism and saying i'm your savior. things are all mucked up under this democratic president, look to me. i'm the tough guy. i can get things done. i'm tea business guy, but i'm also going to bring you back to that morning in america. there's that subliminal ronald
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reagan message. in the republican party he's the santint saint. >> the trump message and who it's resonating with victoria talks about a little nostalgia for the reagan era. maybe people of trump's age, a little younger during the reagan years, those are the best years, we want to go back to those. there's also this combination of all the immigration stuff, lots of nativism in his message. you listen to him on the economic issues. he sounds a little bit more like a populist on economic issues. he talks about national health care talks about taking care of the less fortunate. somebody said to me that the best description i heard, pat buchanan with a much bigger wallet. >> there's some of that. the point on reagan is a great point because make america great again was one of ronald reagan's slogans. that is taken directly from reagan. the whole trump appeal is about american greatness. i'll be tougher with china.
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i'll be tougher with everybody. and so i think that is very reaganesque. what i think he primarily speaks to, though is this broad and general anger that america on the wrong track. that appeals to very conservative traditional people pat buchanan's people who think we took a wrong turn not eight years ago, but maybe 30 years ago or longer and it appeals to other kinds of people who are frustrated with the way politicians talk. i think his use of sort of straight out insult which you look at and say what is that about, it's because he doesn't sound like any other politician out there. no politician talks in that bombastic way. and lastly he talks about being rich. most politicians -- as bill clinton once said, most
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politicians come out and say i was born in a log cabin that i built by myself. trump is saying yeah i'm rich you want to be rich join me. it's like the republican prosperity gospel. >> the populist billionaire, if you kim imagine such a thing. e.j. dionne will be sticking with us. we turn now to louisiana, more vigils and memorials held in honor of the victims of this week's movie shooting. students organized this vigil last night. two people died nine others hurt. five victims are still in the hospital. msnbc's craig melvin is live in lafayette. >> reporter: let's start with the folks still in the hospital that you just mentioned there, steve. we were told yesterday that one of them who had been in critical condition is going into some surgery, the police chief saying yesterday they were all optimistic that that person would be released from the hospital eventually as well.
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so the thinking right now is there should not be anymore fatalities as a result of what happened here on thursday. in trms of the investigation, we can tell you that right now police, law enforcement, they tell us they are continuing to talk to folks who knew the shooter, talked to folks who had perhaps interactions with him over the past few days. as you know, one of the big story lines in the past 24 hours, these postings these online rants that have emerged, anti-gay at times, antigovernment. this is a guy who ran for political office in georgia at one point. he was a small business owner, but we know in recent months he had fallen on hard times financially. he had borrowed money from his mother. his mom loaned him his money and he said he was going to get his life back on track. he was living at a motel 6 nearby, described by police as a drifter. the question right now, one of the questions at least is why did he drift here?
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why lafayette? we don't know of any strong family ties to the area no friends in the area. for the first time during the news conference yesterday it sounded as if based on law enforcement's assessment, it sounded as if he spent time in the area essentially casing lafayette, casing this movie theater. we know he had gone in before thursday -- he had gone in a few other times as well. so the gun -- a big question is how did he get this gun. here is a guy -- there was an arson case back in the late '90s where he had been charged with hiring a third party to set a lawyer's office on fire. there was a criminal domestic violence complaint. he was denied a concealed carry fer mitt permit in 2006. how was he able to buy this gun at a pawnshop in alabama? that's a question many are starting to ask right now. >> thanks to craig melvin in lafayette, louisiana. appreciate that.
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i'm curious as to what you think about potentially not having a place in the debates. we had a pretty interesting conversation -- >> i think it sucks. i think it sucks. >> the countdown continues. only 12 dwa days to go until the first official debate between the 2016 republican presidential candidates or at least some of the 2016 republican presidential candidates. that means there are only ten days left to find out who those candidates will be to make it onto the debate stage. the rules, of course ten slots to be filled by the top ten
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finishers in the five most recent national polls before that debate. now, it is unclear how many polls are going to be released between now and between the deadline for the polls. a lot of confusing dates here and deadlines. when we checked with the polls last week former texas governor rick perry had fallen out of the top ten in favor of former pennsylvania senator rick santorum. did that hold this week? one national poll released this week, let's take a look to see how it affected the top ten. this is our top ten, this is inkpachlkt nobody quite knows what the exact formula fox news is going to use besides fox news. we're guessing here. the top ten based on the five most recent polls we tracked shows rick perry this week jumped back up into the top ten in the final spot at number ten. under our calculation, perry would get the final ticket to that first debate. chris christie sort of on the edge there. he would be in as well.
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these candidates would not, by our calculation right now, be on that stage. you see the first one out is rick santorum. how about this? john kasic, the governor of ohio he announced his presidential candidacy this week. the first debate is going to be in his home state in cleveland. right now by our calculations, he would not be on the stage for that debate in his home state. neither would these other candidates. we do this ncaa tournament style. we look at the bubble, last ones in, first ones out, the ones going to the n.i.t. if you want to keep the analogy going. look how tight this is. rick perry is averaging 2.2%. in our calculations that's a slight uptick, .2% since last week. rick santorum dropping .4% inlast week. this is based on one poll one poll coming out in the last week
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being thrown into that average of the five most recent. this is the effect. a couple things to keep an eye on here as we approach that august 6th deadline. number one, as i just said is john kasich. is he going to get a bounce this week? he got a fair amount of press attention, nothing like the amount that donald trump is getting. is it enough to get another point or two in the average? if it does that could put him up into this top ten. if he gets into the top ten, knocks one of these candidates out? which one will be unlucky there. the deadline for polls that fox has said is next tuesday. we're expecting we'll see a bunch of these polls dumped at thend of this week early next week. all the pollsters trying to get into the top five. we'll keep a close eye on it and give you the latest numbers next week. we're awaiting a press conference from president obama with the president of kenya. nbc senior white house correspondent chris jansing is
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joining us live from nairobi. they're getting ready to start over there. set the scene for us if you will. >> reporter: they're coming to this out of a place where there's some tension between these two countries but the president has been working very hard to try to move this forward. you've seen president kenyatta basically sticking by him since the moment he landed. they're going to be talking about security situation here. they've been plagued by horrible terror attacks by shabaab, the somali-based arm of al qaeda. they've been pushing hard on the economy. this is a country y wr the economy is on the move. a problem with disparate between the rich and the poor. something like 40% of the country living below what we would consider to be the poverty level. this is a typical press conference. we call them a two and two. the two presidents get two questions each from each of their press. you'll start with the kenyan press asking a question and then we will go to the u.s. press.
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>> chris jansing in nairobi. again, we're standing by waiting for that press conference to begin. the first ever visit by an american president in the nation of kenya. that's going to start any second. we'll bring it to you as soon as it does. the press conference is straight ahead. stay with us. soaring away from home towards the promise of a better existence. but these birds are suffering. because this better place turned out to have an unreliable cell phone network and the videos on their little bird phones kept buffering. birds hate that. so they came back home. because they get $300 from switching back to verizon, and so can you! verizon. come home to a better network.
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>> doughnuts. >> true. there are free doughnuts. chris is doing a great job down there. this is a big part of obama's legacy. he's done a lot of discussion about africa trying to create economic there, trying to reach out and create new diplomatic ties there, doing a lot of counterterrorism stuff in africa. this is the legacy era of the obama presidency. these kind of arn appearances and things he's doing now are the kind of things you want to see when you visit potential libraries and things like that. this is a key part of obama's sort of story line this connection to this country, the connection to that part of the world. it's been interesting to see how this is playing out. >> this has more to do with obama and his personal story. he's the first president to go to kenya, but certainly not the first president to go to africa. in point of fact george w. bush is very popular in africa because of all the work he did on global hiv/aids and funding
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addressing that problem in africa. of course we like to see an american president making these connections, but i don't think we should forget that obama is not the first american president to visit the continent -- >> i think george bush set a certain standard in trms of how to work with africa. bill clinton spent a lot of time with africa. >> bill clinton gives jorj bush credit for the global hiv/aids bill. with president obama, i see a lot of talk and personalizing, but where is the policy? >> you think back to the 2008 campaign and just the idea of barack obama sort of political rise in the united states and how much curiosity and fascination that sparked around the world. there are a lot of people in united states who felt this way, too. a lot of people around the world looked at the united states and said, no they're never going to elect barack obama as president of the united states. a lot of people in kenya said this guy with kenyan roots, he's
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not going to be the president. i imagine in kenya today, obviously they've absorbed the fact that he's president. but to see him there coming to the country as president of the united states, that's gotting the a big moment. >> a big moment. chris jansing pointed this out. it's going to be challenging. it's not president obama saying i'm recognizing my roots, but no he's going to hold their feet to the fire. he's saying there are a lot of things here that we do not agree with as a democracy over in the united states, human rights violations, for example. this isn't just a touchy feely. >> how is that going to sound in kenya? >> this is the thing about obama, one of his foreign policy focuses has been sort of being obama, right? when he got elected foreign support -- across the world there was a lot of support for him. >> nobel peace prize. >> some of that changed after spying on everybody's presidents and other foreign policy mishaps that have happened.
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still, places like kenya, the president of the united states particularly obama has a big, big voice in places like that and just sort of being obama is a big deal there. so you find -- >> we've actually. >> reporter: seen that kenyans are saying they don't want to be lectured by president obama when it comes to domestic policy issues. >> where are you seeing that? >> i was reading reports yesterday, there were protesters there, if you start to discuss these touchy social policy issues with the kenyans, they're not going to like it. president obama, this is a historic moment for the kenyan people, president obama as a kenyan. i was born in africa. i'm half african. i think there was this exotic mystery about president obama that the media did not investigate. there are a lot of us actually out there half african and half white. president obama is not the only one. >> he's president, though that's kind of a big deal. >> his biography was sort of
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framed as if it was this unique combination when in fact it's much more common than people think. >> he is our first african-american president. we can certainly say that. >> indeed. >> he is going to be speaking with the president of kenya again any minute now. there's a live shot you're looking at from nairobi, kenya. we're told that's going to be under way shortly. we'll squeeze a break in. we'll bring it to you live as soon as it happens. we'll be back right after this. ♪ ♪ ♪
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barack obama elected president in 2008 when he collected well over 60% of the voters in california also saw the passage of proposition 8, 52% supporting banning same-sex marriage. at the same time same-sex marriage was available in only two states. fast forward and the supreme court has not only overturned proposition 8, it's made gay marriage the law of the land. at the time of last month's landmark ruling, same-sex marriage was legal in 37 states. representing a remarkable rate of change. many americans appear to be questioning whether we're headed in the right direction on social issues. a new poll showing a large percentage of americans, 63% of them, even in the wake of this court ruling say that are uncomfortable with the country's overall direction on social issues. "the washington post"/abc news poll finding 52% of voters say they do support the supreme court's ruling that legalized
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gay marriage nationally. the nation is also closely divided over bans on the con federal lag, those who support banning the flag from government property barely edge out those who think the flag should be able to fly. let's talk with our panel about some interesting findings here. gay marriage is the big one we talk about, but this has been a big month for social change. the gay marriage ruling the flag came down in south carolina. the debates have taken center stage. in a lot of ways the progressive side has won in terms of what's happening on the ground. but you're looking at these polls and it seems like there's a fair number of americans looking at think saying we want to hit the brakes. >> steve i'm your resident texan. speaking from a very red state, i'm not surprised in the least. big chunks of america are still very conservative socially and fiscally. and more so i think when we see this rapid change the supreme court decisions, conservatives dig in their heels a bit more.
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we're seeing a backlash saying we feel even more conservative in light of these progressive movements. i think we're going to be seeing this bleed over into the 2016 election as a result of theelz court rulings. >> i think if we can put some numbers on this it shows democrats, republicans, independents, their response on this question are you uncomfortable with the rate of social change? you can see what victoria is talking about. 82% of republicans saying they're uncomfortable. even democrats, that's still nearly half of all democrats looking around saying this is too fast. >> right. if you're having upwards of 68% of independents that's far larger than the number considered self identified conservatives. you can have this ambivalence. on the one hand americans who would say legally, yes, i think this ought to be permissible, but morally i'm uncomfortable with it or where this is going to lead our country socially i'm
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uncomfortable with it. i think people can have both these thoughts in their head at the same time. >> i think the poll is a poll. the poll got the results that it got. if you look at politics what's happening in politics these days i'm mott sure i buy this. one of the things happening in washington right now is this criminal justice reforl push where you're seeing republicans, very conservative republicans, the cochlearkoch brothers among others and president obama working together to make these big sweeping fundamental changes to the way the criminal justice system works, dial back the war on drugs, let people out of prison, change the way we care about crime, with a huge impact potentially on minority communities, huge impact on specifically young black men. you have a big political constituency that's for this and pushing for it. if we're seeing a pushback after all the social change i haven't seen it in washington. this is a big deal.
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withment obama on a variety of issues of mutual interest both to kenya and the united states. this follows the signing of agreements covering areas of mutual interest such as security visa reciprocity and the development cooperation amongst other things. our discussions affirm that ken y and the united states share deep values in many areas of critical interest. naturally, therefore, our peoples and governments speak the same language on many issues. kenya is an open democratic society underpinned by embrace of democracy. we are deepening that democracy while fighting global terrorists who seek to destroy our way of
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life. left undefeated they will redraw the international system and make room for violent extremism and tyranny. we agree together we can build a future in which our people of all faiths cultures live peacefully together with the rights of individuals and minorities protected and those in power held to account by strong and inclusive institutions. i also expressed to president obama that without building shared prosperity, our vision of a secure africa an indeed a stable world will remain a fragile dream. it's for this reason that kenya, an increasingly dynamic country, is continuously opening new trade and investment frontiers across the world. i conveyed the hope that during his tenure in office the united
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states would look to develop a strong strategic partnership with africa built on shared values and interests. i also express the hope that his visit would allow him and the people of the united states to gain an even deeper insight on africa's challenges and this will enable them to see these challenges as an expression of great opportunities that are available here. the united states is a country of entrepreneurs with a unique capacity to build transformative businesses, and i hope these entrepreneurs and investors will recognize and act on the immense opportunities kenya and africa present, and in this regard i also express my appreciation of his leadership in shepherding the renewal of ogoa. beyond shared values we are brothers and sisters, fellow travelers in the struggle for a
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better world for all. and we therefore, need to upscale our partnerships in agriculture, infrastructure and affordable energy. i also expressed my own commitment to ensuring that on our part we will continue to take the steps that provide the proper conditions for a vibrant ecosystem for investors and entrepreneurs. we agreed to continue to engage one another so that we can strengthen what is already a robust relationship and indeed i look forward to hosting president obama later this evening. indeed also seeing him at the sidelines of the the united nations general assembly in september. president obama, once again on my own behalf on behalf of my government and the people of kenya, let me thank you for your support as evidenced by the various agreements signed between our two governments and indeed your willingness to
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engage kenya in the true spirit of partnership. it's now my pleasure to introduce the president to make some brief remarks as well. thank you. as well. thank you. [ applause ] >> president kenyatta let me reisre reiterate what i said earlier to you and the people thank you for the extraordinary welcome you've given me and for the same kindness you've shown me for my first visit to kenya nearly 30 years ago. i'm proud to return as the first u.s. president to ever visit kenya while still in office. i need to give a special acknowledgement to everybody. [ applause ] i'm well aware, however, that
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the enthusiasm we're seeing today for my visit is a reflection of something bigger, and that's the desire among the kenyan people for a deeper partnership with america, and that's why i'm here. my work with president kenyatta today has been rooted in our shared recognition that the interests of both our nations and the lives of both our peoples can be advanced if our countries deepen and expand our cooperation, and that's what we've agreed to today. first i want to salute the kenyan people for their hard-won progress in strengthening their democracy. millions voted for the new constitution, one of the most progressive in africa with strong protections for freedom of expression assembly and the press. and emphasis on equality and against discrimination. it was competitive and largely peaceful. kenya has a determined active
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feisty press as we see here today. and, as i've said elsewhere, a free press helps make a nation stronger. and more suckcessful and it makes us leaders more effective because it demands greater accountability. kenya has a vibrant civil society which is essential for any democracy, and i look forward to meeting tomorrow with representatives from civil society who stand up for the dignity and the rights of all kenyans. dignity begins, of course with the ability to provide a decent life for our families. and today president kenyatta and i agreed to expand economic partnerships between our peoples that can provide broad-based prosperity. we will extend student and business visas for up to five years for kenyans traveling to the united states and for americans traveling to kenya. that will make it easier for university students to complete their studies and for businesses
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to make long-term plans. our governments are working to launch direct flights between kenya and the united states as soon as possible. as part of our young leaders -- young african leaders initiative we'll continue to support promising kenyan youth as they work to become future leaders in business, civil society and government. now that we've renewed the african growth and opportunity act or agoa how we can expect our economic cooperation and we're focused on infrastructure and energy two keys to economic growth. our power africa initiative is supporting the goal of achieving its national energy needs, electricity for kenyans by 2030. and this includes innovations that bring power to rural ken kenyans who are off the grid as i saw earlier today at the global entrepreneurship summit. i want to commend the leader in
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clean energy for announcing post 2020 target to limit carbon emissions as part of our fight against climate change. together we are confronting insidious threats to kenya's prosperity. president kenyatta i want to commend you on your announced commitment to routing out corruption with the joint commitment we've agreed to today, the united states will offer advice and technical assistance to support kenya as it takes additional steps to increase transparency and accountability and to strengthen institutions that fight corruption. so we're making important commitments and now we need to work together to fulfill them. if kenya can put in place the habits and institutions of good governance, it can help unleash even greater growth and investment and prosperity for the kenyan people. and that will be good for everybody. our countries are also close partners in the fight against
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poachers and traffickers that threaten kenya's world famous wildlife. the united states has been already on the commercial import of elephant ivory. i can announce that we're proposeing a new rule that bans essentially all ivory across state lines that will eliminate the market for illegal ivory in the united states. on security the united states and kenya are already strong partners. and today we reaffirmed we stand united in the face of terrorism. earlier i had the opportunity to meet with is your voifrssurvivors and victims of those in the embassy in 1998 in the face of despicable violence such as the attack on the college and the westgate mall. the kenyan people have shown incredible resolve and remarkable resilience. i also want to pay tribute to the sacrifices of kenyan forces
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who serve in the african union led mission against al shabaab in somalia and for hosting refugees who were the victims of al shabaab. as part of our security governance initiative, our government signed an action plan yesterday in which we'll support kenya's efforts to strengthen the judiciary, police and border security. we also discussed broader efforts to counter extremism here in kenya and around the world, efforts that are advanced when there's rule of law, respect for human rights a space for civil society and peaceful dissent. and when we welcome all communities as our partners. all our nations will have to work together in order for us to be successful. we had the opportunity to discuss regional security issues and focused in particular on the terrible conflict in south sudan which has taken so many lives,
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that causes unbearable suffering for the south sudanese people. the situation is dire and we agreed that the best way to stop the fighting is for south sudanese leaders to put their country first with a peace agreement that ends the fighting. we also discussed burundi where recent elections were not credible and we're calling on the government and the opposition to come together in a dialogue that leads to a political solution to the crisis and avoids the loss of more innocent life. and finally we're going to keep investing in the health and well-being of our people. our feed the future initiative is focused on reducing hunger malnutrition and poverty. we're working together to ensure that girls have access to education, and that women are protected from violence. today i can announce kenya will be part of our dreams initiative to help keep adolescent girls
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safe and aids free and across africa kenya, and the united states we'll keep working to strengthen public health systems and deal with outbreaks and diseases before they become epidemics. together we can save lives. so president kenyatta thank you for the progress and new commitments that we've made today. i know that kenya faces persistent challenges as does the united states but i will tell you every time i come here i'm strong by the dieynanism of the kenyan people. i look forward to speaking about the future that we can build together. [ applause ] do you want me to start? mr. mason? >> thank you very much. mr. president, i'd lick toke to ask about two topics.
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first of all, what more specifically can the united states do to help kenya in the fight against al shabaab? do you see somalia as a counterterrorism model? and are you concerned about kenyan authorities using counterterrorism as an excuse to commit human rights violations? secondly, can you comment on the state of gay and lesbian -- the treatment of gay and lesbians in kenya which have been called dismal and president kenyatta has called a nonissue. for you, sir, president kenyatta, on the same themes what more do you need from the united states to help fight al shabaab, and are you getting it? and can you please also respond to criticism about the state of gay rights in your country? >> well this was an extensive topic of conversation and concrete action that we're now taking. there has been extensive and effective counterterrorism cooperation between the united
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states and kenya. dealing with primarily threats from al shabaab. in part because of the actions that we've taken not just with kenya but with africa and the efforts collectively of countries to work together -- uganda ethiopia others -- we have systematically reduced the territory al shabaab controls. we have been able to decrease their effective control within somalia and have weakened those networks operating here in east africa. that doesn't mean the problem is