ctive counterterrorism cooperation between the united states and kenya. dealing with primarily threats from al shabaab. in part because of the actions that we've taken not just with kenya but with africa and the efforts collectively of countries to work together -- uganda ethiopia others -- we have systematically reduced the territory al shabaab controls. we have been able to decrease their effective control within somalia and have weakened those networks operating here in east africa. that doesn't mean the problem is

solved. as is true around the world, what we find is that we can degrade significantly the capacities these terrorist organizations but they can still do damage. the number of individuals involved in west gate mall were not large, but when they're willing to target soft targets and civilians and are prepared to die, they can still do a lot of damage. we discussed the importance of number one, continuing the effort to rout out al shabaab's capacity inside of somalia working jointly. and as we speak, kenya is working with kenya, the united states and others to further degrade al shabaab's space of operations inside of somalia.

so we have to keep that pressure going even as we're strengthening the somalian government because part of the reason al shabaab was able to emerge as a significant threat in the region was a nonfunctioning government, effectively a failed state in somalia, for so long. there is now a government and a cabinet that is credible and is working with the international community in mogadishu. even as we put military pressure on al shabaab, we have to make sure we're standing up an effective governance structure inside of somalia and we've made progress there. in addition we have to continue to make progress in intelligence sharing and being able to identify and prevent threats before they occur here in kenya and elsewhere in the region. and part of our announcement today involves additional

funding, additional assistance we're provideing security forces to deal with these counterterrorism threats as well as additional training and assistance to make sure that the approach that's taken in routing out potential terrorist threats don't create more problems than they're solving. and this goes to the other element of the question that you asked. what we have found sometimes through hard experience and i shared this with president kenyatta is that if you paint any particular community with too broad a brush, if in reaction to terrorism you are restricting legitimate organizations, reducing the scope of peaceful organization then that can have the

inadvertentcreaseing the pool of recruits and resentment for those who feel marginalized. i shared with him one of the strengths in the united states part of the reason why -- although we're seeing potential lone wolf attacks insid te the united states that we have not seen this sort of systemic networks and cells developing in many of our muslim communities or immigrant communities insid te the united states is that we've been very conscious to make sure that law enforcement is reaching out and cooperating and working with them because they're our partners in this process. and the only way to fight the prois on being fed to their young people through social media is to make sure they're our eyes and our ears and they're counseling us on how we

can more effectively build trust and increase cooperation. and that's proven successful. the same will be true here in kenya. and i was very clear to president kenyatta ultimate lyly the kenyan government is accountable to the kenyan people. it will find its way through this process and cooperation with us but our experience and best practices tell us that rule of law, respecting civil society, in fact embracing civil society particularly in those communities that may be targeted for recruisementtment by those like al shabaab is more significant the more significant the threat is. and not only is that practical advice, but it's the right thing to do and it's consistent with the kenyan constitution and with the values that you heard

president kenyatta espouse. similarly with respect to the rights of gays and lesbians i've been consistent all across africa on this. i believe in the principle of treating people equally under the law. and they're deserving of equal protection under the law and that the state should not discriminate based on their sexual orientation. i say that recognizing there may be people who have different religious or cultural beliefs but the issue is how does the state operate relative to people? if you look at the history of

countries around the world, when you start treating people differently, not because of any harm but because they're different, that's the path whereby freedoms begin to erode. bad things happen. those habits can spread. as an african-american in the united states i'm well aware of what happens when people are treated differently under the law. there are all sorts of rationalizations provided by the producer structure for decades in the united states for jim

crowe and slavery and they were wrong. so i'm unequivocal on this. if somebody is a law abiding citizens who is going about their business and working at a job and obeying the traffic signs and doing all the other things that good citizens are supposed to do and not harming anybody, the idea they are going to be treated differently or abused because of who they love is wrong.

full stop. the state does not need to weigh in on religious doctrine. the state just has to say we're going to treat everybody equally under the law and everybody can have their own opinions. all right? >> president kenyatta, could you address the questions as well, please? >> yes, i will address them. first and foremost i couldn't agree more with what president obama said. the support and the partnership we have with the united states from an intelligence point of

view, from a counterterrorism point of view but more importantly as he's also just mentioned working with societies and how to prevent especially extremists from finding a better fodder for them to develop and to grow and to nurture the terrorists of tomorrow. you also heard him say, and indeed we're truly grateful his expansion under the agreements that we've signed and the assistance that we're getting from the united states. so as a country, as a government, we are satisfied with what we're doing. we need to expand that more because the battle we're fighting is not a kenyan war. kenya appears to be the front of a neighbor that for a long time

has not had any kind of formal government. we need to work together to see how to stabilize somalia. we need to work much closer together to see how we can help the somalia government work with its regional governments the space al shabaab and the like have to operate and to train and to export terror not just to kenya but other parts of the world. so i'm looking forward to deepening the partnership but we are satisfied with the cooperation we've had and the close working relationship between our various institutions. you raise the issue of human rights, and i mentioned earlier the kind of fight we're having right now, this is an

existential fight, something we have not been familiar with. kenya has been a country that has respected different religious. this issue of terrorism is new to us. and as it is new, we learn with each and every step. we are improving our compassapacity and methods of dealing with terrorism. we are willing to learn. we have undertaken fundamental reforms in our police services to help us doleeal with this particular problem. we are partnering with friends like the united states who are giving us their own experiences as to how they have handled this particular problem and we are keen to learn and to participate and i am certain that as we move forward, as we get better as we learn from others we will be able to handle this situation in a man they're does not, as president obama said encourage

this kind of activity going forward on the basis of either marginalization or people feeling that particular communities are being targeted. as a country we have done a lot particularly under our new constitution, our government that is aimed at providing and ensuring equity and development across the country. we have put a lot of resources into some of the previously neglected areas. in fact today, as we sit, a huge portion, approximately 40% of our national budget is being invested in those areas in an attempt to ensure that all communities in our country feel that the government is for them all and that they are part and parcel of the social economic development of our country. so we will to continue to

improve. we will continue to learn. we will continue to participate with all communities, with civil society to strengthen our partnership in order to ultimately be able to defeat this enemy. with regard to the second question, just like president obama, i think we also need to be able to speak frankly about some of these things and the fact of the matter is that kenya and the united states we share so many values. our common love for democracy, entrepreneurship, value for families. these are things that we share. but there are some things that we admit we don't share. our culture, our societies don't accept. it's very difficult for us to be able to impose on people that which they themselves do not

accept. this is why i repeatedly say for kenyans today the issue of gay rights is really a nonissue. we want to focus on other areas that are day-to-day living for our people the health issues we have discussed with president obama. these are critical. issues of ensuring a huge section of society that is normal left out of the mainstream of economic development. what we can do in terms of infrastructure, in terms of education, in terms of our roads, in terms of giving our people power, encouraging entrepreneurship. these are the key focuses. maybe once like you have overcome some of these challenge, we can begin to look at new ones. as of now, the fact remains this issue is not really an issue that is on the foremost mind of kenyans, and that is a fact.

[ applause ] >> thank you very much. my name is ken, and i have two questions for president obama and a president for president kenyatta. my first question to president obama, there has been a perception that kenya and the u.s. had a strained relationship right from the time that we had a new government and, in fact we had several western countries saying that they had consequences. is your coming to kenya sort of pressing a reset button to tell us that, indeed you are ready to renew your relationship with this country that you've had a long-running relationship with for quite some years? and my second question is about funding and, indeed you told us about several agreements that have been signed. does it concern your government that, indeed there is corruption that has been taken by our very president and, in fact, some of the cabinet secretaries and top government

officials are currently in court because of that. does it concern your government that indeed you're spending money in a country that the president himself is concerned about the level of corruption. and to president kenyatta, there has been a perception about kenya looking increasingly east especially after the general election in 2013. so is this also sort of an announcement that, indeed you have formed a commitment to renewing our agreement that we had in place and indeed we are going forward and working together? thank you. >> well first of all, we don't need to reset -- >> absolutely. >> -- the u.s./kenya relationship and cooperation continued robustly throughout my

presidency. the fact i didn't get here may have gotten people riled up but, frankly given my familiarity and knowledge with kenya, the fact that there were many countries across this vast continent that i had never visited, it was always my intention to get to kenya, but i wanted to make sure people didn't think i was playing favorites so quick. immediately after i was elected. to be honest and i think president kenyatta would acknowledge this as well there were deep concerns and tensions arising out of the violence that took place in an earlier election. we haven't made any secret about that. accounting is being done of what happened there. and we continue to believe that

norms have to be observed and all countries, big and small, not just african countries but all countries, should be held to high standards in terms of making sure that elections, democratic processes don't lead to violence. the subsequent election that showed growth in the election process, the new constitution that reflects one of the most progressive human dignity on the continent, that signals, i think, a very positive direction where kenya is moving.

president kenyatta during our meeting acknowledged that there's still more work to be done and our goal in dealing with all our partners is to be respectful, to recognize that ultimately sovereign countries have to make their own determinations about their destiny but to be very clear about the values we care about and we can engage and cooperate and work together and occasionally disagree. that's not a rupture to the relationship. that's just the nature of friends. there will be times we have disagreements. you just heard one before this. and that is as part of the dialogue and the process that takes place between friends.

with respect to corruption i think it is absolutely the right thing to do for president kenyatta to emphasize this. and as i stated to him during our meeting this may be the biggest impediment to kenya growing even faster and more people having even more opportunity the fact that doing business and ordinary people just moving along in their lives here is constant lyly sapped by corruption at a high level and at a low level. international businesses are concerned if the price of investing in kenya is 5% or 10%

going to some place that doesn't have to do with the project. it's just a math issue. if they have a plan for a business, it's got a certain profit and if suddenly some of that is taken off the top due to krupg, corruption, that makes that less attractive. and that's the judgment they make. and then at a more grassroots level, if you have a person trying to open up a store and they find that they have to pay bribes here or there, everywhere, just to get a business started, that's inhibiting the kind of entrepreneurship that we highlighted earlier this morning. and, you know i think president

kenyatta is serious about going after this. as i indicated to him, if you look at the history of this because the united states had in the past all kinds of corruption dating back to the founding of the country. my hometown of chicago was famous for al capone and bootleggers and bribery and police on the take. but what we were able to show is over time when people of integrity at the highest levels say this is a priority. we're going to stop this and are willing to hold people at the highest levels accountable and not just the small-time corruption, that begins to change the culture. and it is important, i think, for the people of kenya to say

this is not the normal way of doing business and to say no to it at every level. and that will require some change of habits. sometimes civil servants don't feel their salaries are high enough and it's just the way of doing business. i supplement my salary by imposing my own personal little tax to boost my salary and then that suddenly becomes common place in a department or a bureaucracy. and you have to reverse that. that may mean that civil servants and police officers are paid properly that they have sufficient benefits they don't feel obliged to doing that. some is just breaking the habits and saying no. that comes from the top. i very much applaud president kenyatta for initiating this campaign. it's going to require the support of the kenyan people and it's going to require some

visible prosecutions because, i mentioned to him, people aren't stupid. if they see an elected official and they know their salary is there and suddenly they're driving through town in a very big car, then they see their cousin driving through town with a very big car and they're suddenly building a new house and all of that doesn't seem to match up with their salary they don't have to be a forensics accountant to know what's going on. and so when that happens people have to be held to account. the ideal the president is putting forward is the right one and now it's up to execution and that won't be just the president's job alone. it will be the job of leadership both locally as well as nationally. >> i think mine was with regard

to looking east. the first thing i want to say is i couldn't agree more. we're not talking about a renewal. we're talking about the united states from the time of our independence has been a strong partner and ally. we have benefited heavily in our health sector and education all these years and that has never stopped. it's been continuous and ongoing. but the key point is what i said when we were opening the summit this morning. and the fact is that kenya as a country is not looking east or west. what we're looking to do is to make progress is to develop our country, is to bring prosperity to build infrastructure. and we are looking to partner with our friends old and new to help us achieve the kenyan dream, to help us achieve our social economic agenda and the u.s. happens to be a very strong

partner of kenya in that objective as are many other countries in the world. so i see no conflict no contradiction. i just see deepening of partnerships that already existed. all with the objective of improving business for kenyans, for the u.s., improving the social life of kenyans, and deepening our people-to-people partnership as well through trade and investment. there is no contradiction whatsoever. we are strengthening already good relations that exist between our two countries. >> julia? >> thanks. president obama, while you've launched multiple policy initiatives on africa it's unclear whether any of them will outlast your policy. what do you think needs to happen to ensure you have an africa policy legacy as enduring as those of presidents bush and

clinton? and to what extent do you think you've met the expectations people here ahead of you as a son of africa. speaking of your afterry cap roots, what did you talk about at dinner with roughly three dozen of your relatives and had you met all of them before? and i have a question for president kenyatta as well. president kenyatta, could you spell out in concrete terms what's different in kenya today because of president obama's election, how his connection to kenya has shaped you today, and what aspects of his kenya policy do you think will endure after he's left office? thank you. >> let me first of all underscore that i am really proud of the work that previous administrations did here in africa and i've done everything

i could to build on those successes. this isn't a beauty contest between presidents. this is the u.s. government and whatever the policies need to be put in place in order for us to help our partner countries. i've said before and i'll repeat. i think president george w. bush's initiative was as significant an achievement internationally as anything that we've done over the last several decades. it saved millions of lives, which is why i increased funding substantially during the course of my presidency and continued to build on what was initially a matter of just getting antivirals and treatment for hiv and are now building greater capacity within those countries

that have received petfar funding in terms of health care infrastructure. i want to build on what's already been done. along those lines if you look at our feed the future for example, we have millions of farmers across this continent who have benefited from increased yields increased incomes, greater access to small loans that are making them more productive, greater access to market linking up with technology in ways that assure they get a fair price, all of which since africa is still disproportionately rural is increasing incomes and spurring

growth and building a middle class in the entire continent, and we can document the extraordinary progress made there and it is a model that's working. and has been supplemented with private sector investment that is further advancing the more productive agricultural sector across the african continent. with respect to power africa that was just launched a couple years ago, we set initially a goal of 10,000 mega watts of electricity being generated in sub-saharan africa. we lined up interests that have tripled and now set a goal of 30,000 and we're on our way to achieving that goal. we are well on track.

i noted there was an article in a public notification saying there was no electricity being generated. the next time somebody is interested in how electricity gets generated, go back home and find out how long it takes to build a power plant. sometimes these are long-term projects but we have billions of dollars of transactions already locked in and billions more in the pipeline. and that is just on the traditional power grid side. that doesn't include all the innovative off grid power generation that we witnessed just in those booths we were passing at the summit using solar and biotech

and other innovative ways to generate power in rural communities that are not going to be connect eded to the grid anytime soon. so that's just two examples of initiatives that i'm confident will have a lasting effect not because they were initiated by me but because they fill an extraordinary need. if we can get sub-saharan africa to be electrified at the same levels as asia is that alone is going to drive economic growth exponentially. the productivity that is delivered as a consequence of just access to power. kids suddenly being able to read

and do their homework at night. women relieved of some of burdens of collecting firewood and how they are able to use basic appliances that we take for granted. farmers being able to improve their yields. it's a game changer. but we're not going to know exact ly exactly what that looks like ten years from now, and i suspect that the next president building off what we already set up will learn what's working really well, what's not working so well, and make some tweaks. and i don't have prior authorship. i hope that they figure out even better ways. continue the things we started just as we i think, have refined and improved the

excellent work that was done by presidents clinton and president bush. in terms of what i was talking about with my family mostly we were just catching up. there's more immediate family that i had known well from previous visits. there was s extended family that i had not met before. my sister alma i'm close to and stay in close contact with helped to make sure that everybody was represented. i think the people of kenya will be familiar with the need to manage family politics sometimes in these extended families. there are cousins and uncles and

aunties that show up that you didn't know existed. but you're always happy to meet. there were lengthy explanations in some cases of the connections. but it was a wonderful time. part of the challenge i've had during the course of my presidency is that given the demands of the job and the bubble bubble, i can't come here and just go upcountry and visit for a week and meet everybody. that's what i had to explain, begging forgiveness that once i'm a private citizen i will have more freedom to reconnect

and to be involved and engaged in some of the work that needs to be done because some of these communities are very poor. i'm more restricted ironically as president of the united states than as a citizen in terms of the hands-on help that i'd like to give. partly because of schedule but partly because of making sure i'm understood to be operating as the president of the united states and that it's with the not for profits and the particular people of any given country.

>> there's one area and we're all happy and proud of the one initiative is the fact i think president obama will strongly be remembered in africa for his focus on the youth of this continent continent. focus on the young people of this continent. to be able to extract their talents, their abilities, and he's been very focused on this with the ges we've been attending, really helping us unblock the full potential of africa's youth and young men and women. so this i think, will be the key legacy that president obama will be remembered for on this continent for a long time to come. that's it.

judy? jackie rather. >> president obama and president kenyatta you spoke about direct flights. are you working on that to launch them as soon as possible? how soon can we know that? and, president obama, the u.s. has been issuing travel advisories against kenya. this has had a devastating effect on the tourism. it's the second foreign exchange. is the u.s. planning to take it easy on that? and, finally, what are your personal plans for kenya after your presidency? thank you. >> with respect to direct flights, there are very specific protocols and security issues that have to be worked through. we sent homeland security to work with kenyan officials. i think real progress has been

made. i don't have a date certain in front of me and i wouldn't want to make a guess and if we're late you'll call me and say you lied. but i anticipate if we can get everything squared away this has great potential and would have a beneficial impact on u.s. travel to kenya. both for business and tourism. with respect to the travel advisories this is not something that i meddle with. this is something that our state department and our intelligence communities make assessments on.

they are provided for enbaesmbassy staff and personnel. we are bound to provide the general public the same information we provide our teams on the ground for understandable reasons. i think the general public would be disturbed if we were saying one thing to folks working here and another thing to an ordinary tourist traveling. i recognize the concerns and i do think that despite the seriousness of the terrorist threat posed by al shabaab that in part because of media attention, probably even more than travel advisories, that threat can oftentimes be

exaggerated. and that's unfortunate. and part of my answer to that question is to come here and visit and to show this extraordinary country and the extraordinary progress that's been made. but the specifics around travel advisories, those are a judgment call that are made by our experts. it's not something that i weigh in on. it's not something that is subject to political decision making, and my solemn goal is to make sure that we are working urgently with president kenyatta and the administration so there's no need for the advisory because we will have greatly reduced these threats. and there may be ways in which we can refine them so that

traveling to game parks may be different than being in other circumstances, and that's something that we can always discuss and explore at a staff level. oh, was there a third question? what are my plans? here is what i can guarantee. i'll be back. the next time i'm back i may not be wearing a suit. the first time i came here i was in jeans and a backpack. one of the challenges of traveling and visiting kenya is that i'm much more constrained than i will be and i think that you can anticipate not only me being back but probably more important for everybody,

michelle being back and malia and sasha coming back because they have a great love for this country and it's beauty. i have family connections. my hope is some of the philanthropic work that i do after my presidency is over builds on some of the things we've been doing now. i'm not going to stop being interested in the young people of kenya and the young people of africa and developing the talent and the leaders, talented leaders and entrepreneurs that are going to help make this country and the world prosper. you can anticipate that i'll continue to make those contributions where i can. all right. thank you very much, everybody. [ applause ] the president of kenya, president obama and president kenyatta finishing up saturday

afternoon. this as they went through their news conference. i'm richard lui along with janet in for melissa today. she is away. we will go straight now to our senior white house correspondent and that's chris jansing who has been there watching this entire thing and chris, both presidents covering a lot of items. some items we may not have expected to hear about and others certainly were on the agenda. >> reporter: well, i have to tell you, richard, i'm surprised. i thought this was a fascinating news conference. it was meaty. there are four areas i would like to touch on. the first is about gay rights. this has been a source of tremendous tension here and the president not shying away from speaking his mind. i think the quote you're going to hear is over and over i'm painfully aware of what happens when people are treated differently under the law, likening his experience as a black man in america and being somewhat dismissive president kenyatta saying as he has said

recently, basically this is a nonissue. you have to understand that this all blew up when the president informs senegal on his last trip to the continent, brought up gay rights and was basically told look this is our culture. your culture is the death penalty. we don't have the death penalty. don't tell us what to do. so he is coming back and against the advice of some people who said don't push too hard on gay rights has decided to do that. the issue of corruption wasn't it fascinating to watch him stand there next to president kenyatta and, again, not back away from some of the issues saying they happen at the highest levels including some of the lowest levels and bringing up the election where president kenyatta was accused of inciting violence that cost the lives of 1,000 people and in fact he was under indictment until the end of last year for crimes against humanity. his vice president is still under indictment. and the president making those statements answering questions that have been brought up repeatedly. has he done enough for africa?

there were such high expectations when he was elected president not just in kenya but across the continent, what would he do here? and particularly the questions about that $7 billion initiative to broaden the electricity that's available in this country. it's a five-year project. as he said it's only in year two. so far some people have suggested that he has not -- that has not lived up to expectations. the last thing i'll mention is doesn't it make you feel good, richard, to know that he has to deal with family politics along with the rest of us. >> yes, he seemed to laugh about that. janet and i were talking about our extended families. we know you have a pretty large family yourself. back to the first point were you making the issue about lbgtq results. it didn't seem to be the lead question from the first reporter, but he certainly did go there. and then he went further later on to discuss pepfar. what has his message meant to the people of kenya and what

have they been saying about him? >> reporter: well, this is a really important point that you're making. he is tremendously popular here, not just in the village where his father was born. he has this rock star status. i think you're going to see it tomorrow. he's giving a big speech in a soccer stadium. there's some suggestion hundreds of thousands of people could be inside and outside. so this message a lot of folks who are in the gay rights community here in kenya and across africa he has the ability to come and make the case. when you tie it in with pepfar the initiative that truly did save millions of lives and continues to operate on the african continent and the money the united states has put in there, they think sort of gives him both the emotional as well as the political weight to make

this argument to the people of kenya kenya. >> george w. bush with pepfar. a $15 billion program so important. chris jansing in nairobi, thank you so much. great stuff as always. we have much more to get to on the show this morning. chris jansing is the youngest of 13. she knows about extended family. that's why i had to talk to her about that. up next what we'll cover for you, the funeral service for sandra bland about to get under way and the latest on the louisiana movie shooting. stay with us. are you moving forward fast enough? everywhere you look, it strategy is now business strategy. and a partnership with hp can help you accelerate down a path created by people, technology and ideas. to move your company from what it is now... to what it needs to become.

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>> but not all of it was fun and games. wisconsin governor scott walker while trump was in his stride took the opportunity here to sign a law banning all abortions in the state after 20 weeks of pregnancy with no exceptions except when a woman's life is in immediate danger. still with us or just joining us i should say, senior editor for msnbc.com. we'll start with you, beth, on this. who is benefiting from all of this? we're having fun, tongue-in-cheek, but still pulling the air out of room is donald trump. >> do you know who is benefiting? everyone who is not paying attention. i would say jeb bush, scott walker. they're playing right to their constituency. there's almost no overlap in a jeb bush constituency. jeb bush has nothing to gain by engaging with trump in any way.

he's not. he's going to campaign events. he's out there and he's raising a ton of money and he's staying focused and that's what he should be doing. >> this seems like the epitome of pop culture. how does one get the attention in this space? >> that's the challenge because if the second and third tier candidates continued doing traditional political things that could be seen as a liability to the republican base being a traditional politician. so i think some of them are trying to play to their strengths and coming back to the same social issues. i have to agree with you that overwhelmingly this benefits jeb bush because he's familiar. he appears very stable and reasonable by comparison. everyone else is sort of crowded out. >> and here is another thing, janet, this is all about the debate, who is going to make the stage on the fox debate. they're only going to take the top ten candidates polling in the national polling in the top ten. you see a lindsey graham. he's really not there yet.

you see rick santorum. he's not there either. they're looking for ways to get enough attention to get their numbers up in those polls so they can make the debate stage. >> we have to cut it a little bit short because those presidents were there earlier in the hour. you'll be with us in the next hour. thanks. stick around. we'll see you later. for now, though coming up what we're going to cover -- >> inside the sandra bland case. what are your rights when you're pulled over by police? the answer may surprise you. >> and the movie star legend who shocked the nation. something that felt like... home? and now you can't connect the way you used to... because you switched wireless carriers and can't get a reliable connection anymore. it's okay. we're still here for you and we'll be happy to have you back on a reliable network. come home to verizon and get 10 gigs for $80 a month plus $15 per line. only at verizon. ...and the wolf was huffing and puffing... kind of like you sometimes, grandpa. well, when you have copd it can be

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welcome back. >> melissa is off today. we begin with new details on the deadly shooting in louisiana this week. two people were killed nine wounded, the shooter identified by police as john russell houser then turned the gun on himself. the two victims were jillian johnson and maci breaux who was

just about to start radiology school. she was 21 years old. joining us now from lafayette is nbc news' craig melvin. we learned so much about houser. we're now 24 hours later. what is new that you found in the investigation? >> reporter: the outstanding question, richard, continues to be why? why this movie theater? why lafayette, louisiana? we can tell you within the past hour we learned that funeral services for maci mayci breaux will be meld. the investigation is focusing on what was released yesterday, these rants, these posts on social media, the shooter turned out had posted and ranted anti-government stuff, anti-gay stuff, anti-semitic stuff. we know in addition that erratic

behavior you mentioned, mental illness was very much a part of his past and some divorce filings his ex-wife indicated that at one point he was on medication, that he was supposed to be taking daily. he did not always do that according to her. at one point he owned a bar in georgia. the license for that bar was revoked. and he showed up allegedly, according to the police chief, he showed up and would rail against local government and at one point a swastika on the side of his bar. he puts up this huge sheet that could be seen from the road of a swastika. so that's the picture of the shooter that is starting to emerge but at this point investigators say they have not found some sort of manifesto, nothing detailing precisely why he did what he did in this movie theater thursday richard. >> craig melvin in lafayette, louisiana, thank you for that.

we turn now to a question posed, first posed on this show a week ago. what happened to sandra bland? today we're going to bring you the latest developments in the story that this week have prompted as many new questions as answers. but first we want to go to lyle illinois where this morning mourners have been arriving at the african methodist episcopal church for memorial service and funeral for sandra bland. joining me now from lyle illinois, is the one and only joy reid standing outside the church. joy, so great to see you. can you tell us what you've been seeing and hearing this morning? >> reporter: absolutely and great to see you as well janet, and good morning, richard. this church is filled to capacity. i came from inside. they're trying to find enough seating for the family and friends who came to pay their final respects to sandra bland. there is an array of flowers as we have come to expect in front

of the church. a large contingent of her sorority sisters marched in the first wearing white, a second group wearing signature gold and blue. i can tell you that i spoke with a woman who was waiting to get into the sanctuary who said she just sang in the choir with sandra bland not three weeks ago. sandra bland having literally just moved to texas to take a new job. she actually had two job offers. i can tell you the family is remaining defiant. they do not accept the results of the autopsy and finding this was a suicide. their spokeswoman who is also a national board member for the na naacp saying sandra bland was an activist. in their view, she would not have taken her own life. >> details to hear from those who knew and loved sandra. joy, what can you tell us about the latest in the investigation of the arrest and death of sandra bland? >> reporter: there's more than one investigation taking place at the same time. there's a separate investigation

from the texas dps, the department of public safety into the officer who pulled sandra bland over into his actions. he's on desk duty awaying the results of that. should that become a criminal situation, a district attorney has been tagged with handling the case. separately from that the texas rangers being observed by the fbi as well as the district attorney in warren county continuing their investigation into this case despite the finding of a suicide, there's still a lot more work to be done. there's additional toxicology that's going to be done including potentially a finding of whether or not she did, in fact, have epilepsy or was being treated for such the additional screenings they asked the family to preserve body tissue for, they're going to do. and so this investigation remains open and ongoing. >> joy reid in lisle, illinois, thank you so much. >> janet, also part of this this week newly released dash cam video, some of the questions

about what led to the arrest. bystander video that originally heightened interest in bland's story showed only what happened after state trooper brian encinia removed her from her vehicle n. that video release this had week by the texas department of public safety you see here, the dash cam in the officer's vehicle captures the encounter that begins as he stops bland for failing to properly signal a lane change. now the video shows how what began as a routine traffic stop escalated to the tense encounter that led to bland being handcuffed on the side of the road. we want to show you a couple of longer, unedited portions of exactly what happened right now. the first interaction between sandra bland and officer encinia. >> the reason for your stop you failed to signal a lane change. do you have insurance with you? what's wrong?

how long have you been in texas? [ inaudible ]. >> okay. do you have a driver's license? [ inaudible ] no, ma'am. okay. okay. where are you head eded to now? [ inaudible ] okay. give me a few minutes, all right?

>> and then following that initial approach and exchange, officer encinia returns to his vehicle. the encounter begins to escalate a short time later when officer encinia approaches bland's vehicle a second time. parts of this video we're about to show you may be disturbing. >> okay, ma'am. are you okay? >> i'm waiting on you. this is your job. i'm waiting on you. >> you seem very irritated. >> i am. i really am. i was getting out of your way, you were speeding up tailing me so i move over and you stop me. so yeah i am a little irritated but that doesn't stop you from giving me a ticket. >> are you done? >> you asked me what was wrong and i told you. >> okay. >> so now i'm done, yeah. >> okay. would you mind putting out your

cigarette, please. >> i'm in my car, why do i have to put out my cigarette? >> you can step on out now. >> i don't have to step out of the car. >> step out of the car. >> why am i -- >> step out of the car. >> you don't have the right -- >> step out of the car. >> you do not have the right to do this. >> i do have the right. step out or i will remove you. >> i refuse to talk to you. i am getting removed for a failure to signal? >> step out or i will remove you. i am giving you a lawful order. get out of the car now or i'm going to remove you. >> and i'm going to call -- >> i'm going to yank you out of here. >> don't touch me. i'm not under arrest. you don't have the right to touch me. >> you are under the arrest. >> i'm under the arrest for what? for what? >> send another unit. get out of the car.

get out of the car, now! >> why am i being apprehended? you're trying to give me a ticket -- >> i said get out of car. >> i'm opening my car door. >> i'm going to drag you out of here. >> you're going to drag me out of my own car? >> get out of the car! i will light you up. get out, now! >> wow. you're doing all of this for failure to signal. let's take this to court for a failure to signal. for a failure to signal. >> get off the phone. >> i'm not on the phone. >> put your phone down. >> i have the right to my property. >> put your phone down. >> sir? >> put your phone down right now. put your phone down. >> now we continue to play the video here which you've seen as well, janet, the encounter continues off to the side of the camera, bland's car is searched and impounded, the traffic stop and bland's death in the waller

county jail. craig melvin was talking about the officer being placed on administrative duty. it runs for more than 15 minutes but still leaves unanswered questions about what we see happening to sandra bland along the way. joining us right now is nancy giles, writer and contributor to cbs news "sunday morning," jason williams, with the aclu criminal reform project, and eugene o'donnell, professor of law and police studies at john j. college and former nypd officer. eugene, we'll start with you on this. the way it began when we were showing the first bit of video here was there a right for the police officer to ask her to leave the car? and then the second part of that question might be the cigarette itself and that interaction. what's your thought? >> my thought is it's more complex than it appears, that there's a right generally for the police -- you're under arrest in the situation

essentially. you're not free to leave. it's kind of a murky area but generally the police can ask you to get out of the car. the issue about the cigarette is a little less clear, but was he afraid? was there a fear? >> less clear with the cigarette? >> well, he told her to put the cigarette out. did he think it was a weapon? did he think she had some sort of hostile weapon to be assaultive, impairment. who knows what he actually thought, making strong absolute statements about these cases are very difficult. the truth is the courts that wrestle with these cases, they can't draw the lines very clearly themselves. i mean the real issue here is i don't understand why the officer didn't just give a warning. that was his intention to do say that immediately. he sort of let it play out and let it escalate. i don't know why he didn't choose to do that. >> nancy, i want to bring you into the conversation. there seems to be excessive escalation of force. what are your first reactions?

what are you feeling? >> i agree with mr. o'donnell. it is complex. i don't understand why the officer acted the way that he did. i'm also confused because it seemed like late in the game he sort of said you're under arrest. it sounded to me she was asking legitimate questions like am i under arrest? what am i under arrest for? do you have to give up you're power and authority? >> that's exactly the point? >> i do understand an officer is you know an officer of the court and he has certain rights and he's protecting the public but this was, you know i've been in a bad mood on days and i'm watching this black woman and thinking really you're going to do this for not

signaling? i hear that and it's familiar. i don't quite understand it all. >> what is legal and what isn't? sandra is exerting her right. what are her legal rights if any during this stop? >> i want to extend my condolences to the bland family at a difficult time. there really are two conversations that need to be had here. what do best practices look like and what is good public policy? i think it is true that at least in texas, among other places if you are pulled over for a traffic violation that is an arrestable offense. which is important to understand because that means that the police officers have a great deal of discretion in terms of how they then decide to interact with you whether they're going

to give you a warning, a citation or place you under arrest and take you to jail. that also means that because police officers have the authority to in a sense, take control of the situation if they are affecting an arrest these commands to put down the cigarette, put down the phone become a lot more difficult to decipher but it's probably true that the officer had the authority to do that that she would have been required to get out of the car. >> even before he said something like you're under arrest he could actually just by pulling her over that sets everything in motion? >> absolutely which really speaks to the state of the law -- >> and the way it works. >> i want to get in gene. the question might be for the officer himself, when does he make the decision? how are they trained to make these decisions when they're out in the field before they say you are under arrest and before that

what they can do and after that what they can do? >> they're not trained well enough. and the police establishment has to own this. the truth is the law is not going to solve this. the courts are going to have to give the police broad powers. it's impossible to simultaneously tell police to do this kind of work and then rein in their power. police of their own volition have to do this. they've done that in many areas like deadly force. they have to do a better job of telling police people that engagement is a big deal. arrest is a big deal as we saw here. somebody ended up dying. the part about the stop that's most shocking to me is you see why this lady was pulled over. it's the most trivial of offenses and you wonder this is the arbitrary scary thing that people feel about the police. is there any rhyme or reason to their enforcement? there are so many parts of the country you get driven off the road because people are driving dangerously and they seem to just drive away and this lady committed the most trivial kind

of offense and ended up in these circumstances. it's going to be hard to make this just a legal issue. no matter what the law says the police are put their safety above any rules and litigate later. the training and selection of police people and this whole human dignity issue has to be at the center of policing. >> eugene o'donnell, the panel here agrees with you. thank you so much for your expertise and perspective on what we were just seeing on this topic. stay with us. we have so much more to get to here on "mhp." >> we want to get into what happened in the jail where sandra bland died next. to steady betty. fire it up! ♪ am i the only one with a meeting? i've got two. yeah we've gotta go. i gotta say it man this is a nice set-up. too soon. just kidding. nissan sentra. j.d. power's "highest ranked compact car in initial quality." now get 0% financing or a great

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county said sandra bland's death was ruled a suicide by hanging and the autopsy report showed no sign of a violent struggle before her death. the answers posed to her reveal a conflicting account of her mental health history. she indicated that she made a previous attempt last year by taking pills. after the loss of a pregnancy and she answered yes to a question asking if she had thoughts of killing herself in the last year. however, when they asked the same question about suicidal thoughts in another section of the documents, the forms indicate she responded no. she also indicated she had no suicidal thoughts on the day of the arrest. joining us from houston is carmen roe, criminal defense attorney and legal analyst. carmen, i want to ask you about the jail booking screening form released by the waller county sheriff. can you explain the conditions a person respond something these questions, are they filling out the forms themselves?

what could account for the apparent discrepancies in her responses? >> absolutely. no they're not filling them out, they're filled in by an officer or a nurse. these particular forms were filled out about three hours after she was arrested. they were completed by officers and not by trained physicians or nurses or other people with medical training. >> so jason, i want to bring you into this. how do the discrepancies on the form highlight the way sandra bland was brought into the jail? >> i think it's beyond how the forms were filled out. i think the question is how did they respond to the information that they received even if there were inconsistencies, i think there were enough indications that at least suicide may have been a possibility that they needed to monitor. the jail failed on several levels to take appropriate steps

to make sure that ms. bland was being monitored and taken care of. >> and what does that say? how do those forms -- on the answers written for her, how do they affect the investigations? >> well i think that's unclear. i'm not privy to all the information that the investigators are considering to the extent that they are trying to figure out whether or not the jail acted appropriately. again, i think it doesn't speak well for jail administrators. i think at the very least there should have been a mental health professional made available to speak with ms. bland to verify or not that she may have been at risk and that wasn't done. >> and, nancy, to you on this. when we look at what happened in the video, some would say, well look at the approach that sandra bland had at that moment. he said you're obviously irritated. you can be rude if you might

define it as that but that's not necessarily illegal. and that's not what's happening here as to what has been said. >> it may not be your best tactic if you're stopped by a cop to you know respond in equal force or whatever be annoyed, although i think i might be annoyed and could see myself getting more annoyed, but i'm confused about the whole intake thing just to sort of switch gears a little bit. like, are there questions that are on the forms? have you ever committed suicide? have you had mental health problems, or is the person doing the intake form free styling it just asking things willy-nilly? i'm confused about that. and that confuses me then about why the sets of answers were different like i guess it makes sense to ask questions about suicide because someone in a jail could do harm to themselves but it's so murky, the whole form. >> and, carmen i'm hoping you can weigh in on this murkiness and offer some clarification.

should someone have noticed and sought clarification in answers where there seemed to be a contradiction? >> absolutely. this is an issue the jail is going to have to answer for. the jail commission has come in and said these individuals at this jail were not trained, and that they didn't follow the procedures in he is to keep individuals safe. the discrepancies in the form are part of the problem. these people filled in the blanks and checked yes or no on all these forms and they didn't absorb any of that information and they certainly didn't do anything with it. they didn't make observations about sandra and what condition she was in. and even assuming for the sake of this conversation that they made those observations and that she was fine coming in you know the cell mate talked about how many days she cried continuously and when her emotional condition changed, they had an obligation to react to that condition as well. and when they didn't i think there are going to be lawsuits filed in the case. >> carmen thank you for offering clarity in houston. thank you. up next how politicians are

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last saturday during the conference a presidential candidate forum involving bernie sanders was interrupted when black lives matters protesters came in to say her name. neither candidate gave answers that satisfied the demands of the protesters who wanted recognition in response to their calls for racial justice agenda. their responses later in the week suggested the voices of the protesters did not go unheard. within days of the conference hillary clinton, bernie sanders had all said the name sandra bland. joining me now from cleveland is someone who was on the stage,

patrice cullers, director for the ella baker center. patrice, thank you for joining us. they've now said sandra bland. at the time clearly there was a question why don't you understand what this group here wants to hear what they're believing, what the words con connoted. what's your thoughts on the response in that moment and now? >> well i think during the protests in action it was a disappointment. senator sanners and erssanders and governor o'malley fumbled. they were unable to address the issues and they seemed disconnected from the broader black lives matter movement. it was clear that within a day's time all -- the both of them as well as hillary clinton probably went back to their teams and made choices that i think were in alignment with what we were

asking for which is to talk about the state of emergency that black america is currently in and to name the people who have died at the hands of law enforcement. i think at this point now we want to see a real people's agenda. >> and beyond the action that was so powerful that quick turnaround and that response happened, beyond that what action do you want to see the candidates take for what the movement is calling for? >> i think first off we want candidates to actually call movement leaders sit and have meetings with us have a conversation with us about what's happened this last year since the murder of mike brown, and then we actually want kabd datz to candidates to think of a way they can build a platform divesting the way police and imprisonment operates in our country today and a full-fledged

platform about resourcing communities, where black folks are -- black communities are completely decimated from mass incarceration. we want them to acknowledge that and think about ways that they can really push towards a new vision for black america. >> and, you know we know o'malley clinton, and also sanders, right, what are we doing in terms of -- or what is your plan for the republican candidates specifically after jeb bush and his idea of saying that #black lives matter is just a slogan? >> yes. and we -- many folks have asked why would you go after the democratic party? they're on our side. what about the republican party? and trust and believe that any opportunity we have to shut down a republican convention we will. we will make sure that our voices are made loud and clear. and we also want to be clear that the democratic party isn't off the hook.

>> well, patrise cullors, thank you so much. >> and thanks very much to our panel here. nancy giles and jason williamson in new york. it's been a tight day. we'll get you next time. there's also something called sunday, tomorrow. i don't know. we'll be tweeting. coming up for you, the significance of president obama's news conference in kenya this morning. >> and still to come the movie star who shocked the world 30 years ago today. soaring away from home towards the promise of a better existence. but these birds are suffering. because this better place turned out to have an unreliable cell phone network and the videos on their little bird phones kept buffering. birds hate that. so they came back home. because they get $300 from switching back to verizon, and so can you! verizon. come home to a better network.

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united states, i'm painfully aware of the history of what happens when people are treated differently under the law. and there's all sorts of rationalizations provided by the power structure for decades. in the united states for segregation and jim crowe and slavery, and they were wrong. >> and joining janet and me now from nairobi is nbc news senior white house correspondent chris jansing. chris, you had marked last hour four major areas and really far reaching as you were saying and that comment there one of the key marks. >> reporter: yeah, and i think what it really points out is the barack obama we are seeing as he gets closer and closer to the end of his second term and right before i came here i was talking to a member of the administration who is particularly close to him who acknowledged to me he is hearing the clock ticking much more loudly.

as the days and weeks go by. we're hearing him more unfettered, hearing him speak more personally as he did there when he was in a prison a shere but for the grace of god go i, eye sengsly. on all of these issues he seems more open to being direct and he actually was warned certainly in the media by some african officials that he should not come here and try to impose the western will on gay rights on this country, but he didn't back off on that. i think this is an intercation that president obama knows he only has a little more than a year left to get things done. some would say even less if you believe in lame duck status and he's pushing hard. >> i love he's also pushing hard there as well making sure civil society is brought in. what are his plans over the next few days in kenya and ethiopia?

>> reporter: so tomorrow is going to be one of the fast fascinating parts of the trip. a major speech in a stadium. they're planning here -- they can't fit this many in the stadium -- but as many as 300,000 people to come to see him. we've seen huge crowds of people hoping to catch a glimpse of him. he is going to again speak very personally. he is so popular and we talked about this in the last hour. 80% of the people here believe he wants to do what's best for the people of kenya. on the areas he might disagree with the leadership he sees this as a bully pulpit an opportunity and essentially a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to have impact on these issues. >> nbc senior white house correspondent chris jansing in nairobi, thank you. up next a major civil liberties case involving a trans

prisoner in georgia. >> the movie star who made history on this very day 30 years ago.

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this is ashley diamond, a 37-year-old transgender woman and first-time inmate at the men's prison in georgia. she's a nonviolent offender whose major offense was burglary. ashley has identified as female since she was a child, but since entering the prison system in 2012 the state has denied her the medicineally necessary hormone therapy. she filed a federal lawsuit demanding they provide safe placement for the prisoner and medically necessary care including hormone therapy. according to the complaint ashley was thrown into solitary confinement for pretending to be a woman. she had her gender affirming clothing confiscated and was repeatedly told to look and act like a man. the lawsuit alleges the georgia

department of correction failed to protect her against repeated rapes in the men's prison. while incarcerated ashley has been sexually assaulted eight times, her attorney says. the doc declined to comment due to pending litigation. here is ashley in a video she recorded inside the prison. >> i cannot stress to you what a treacherous system this is. it's amazing how a minor brush with the law turned into a death sentence. this is about human rights violations. three years of torture is enough. >> in april the justice department intervened in support arguing that blanket limits on medical care for transgender prisoners are unconstitutional. less than a week later the doc announced a policy change that would provide treatment for

dysphoria. back at the table raul reyes and a staff attorney at the southern poverty law center representing ms. diamond. thanks so much for joining us. could you please share with us and the viewers where is ashley and what is her current state of mind right now? >> janet, thank you for having me. as you pointed out, unfortunately, ms. diamond's fight is far from over. she continues to be housed in men's prisons and continues to be housed with an administration that shows gross indifference to the rights of transgender inmates. so very recently she suffered a sexual assault and continues to be assaulted by staff. she has a fighting spirit but she's not out of the woods just yet. >> this is richard.

when you see this story develop, can you not help but think of "orange is the new black" and in that storyline for those who have not watched it there is this discussion of a transgender inmate in there that's been refused hormonal they arerapy and here we have a case where that is what's being alleged. can that happen? can hormonal therapy or the drugs that are required or needed be denied? >> our firm view and it's backed by the department of justice, is that it is medically necessary treatment under the 8th amendment which cannot be denied because someone is incarcerate incarcerated. unfortunately, it's a fight that, you know, ms. diamond had to wage personally. she has undergone a forced transition from female back to male, and it shouldn't have been at that expense that we could have conveyed to the department of corrections that they had an obligation under the constitution to provide her medical care. >> and we also know unlike sophia in "orange is the new black" ashley has been put in

the men's prison. what are ashley's goals for lawsuit? what are the issues that extend beyond immediate relief for ashley? >> of course. ms. diamond is one of many transgender inmates within prison systems in georgia and beyond who are being subjected to gross mistreatment whether that comes in the form of being denied access to health care whether that comes in the form of being denied safekeeping, and so ms. diamond recognizes herself as being a spokesperson for transgender individuals and really sees her lawsuit as shining a light that transgender inmates face and trying to bring about class wide changes. instilling that there is a right under the law for inmates such as herself to access health care and to be placed in safe prisons and it is our firm belief that currently she's not in a safe environment. >> raul reyes who is on the table with us here putting on your legal analyst hat here raul, tell bus this concept,

discrimination in the pipeline that has been so much talked about, that affects disproportionately those individuals of color. >> right. absolutely. and particularly transgender people. i believe the statistics an estimated 16% of the transgender population has experienced incarceration at some point in their lifetime versus 2% to 3% of the general population and the reason for that is because transgender people face so much discrimination that it's very difficult for them to find work and many turn to illegal activities. in this case let me drop this on you, astacio astonishing as it may seem she has representation. there are many more cases like this someone has not been lucky enough to smuggle out video and have her voice heard. and hospitals, what might surprise people -- excuse me prisons have a higher legal standard of care than actually hospitals do because when you're in a hospital even against your doctor's orders you can leave. you can check yourself out.

when you are incarcerated you are totally within the care of the government and they had an obligation to provide you with care. and as i understand it, not only has the federal government weighed in on has the federal government weighed in on ashley ashley's side, georgia state law requires whatever prescription medicines a person was on before they were incarcerated they be kept on them. and due to inconsistencies with her intake form that policy has been disregarded. so as astonishing as it may sound, she is fortunate in at least there are people fighting for her. >> thank you so much. janet, that statistic that many folks probably don't know and we put that up a second ago, 3,209 transgender inmates across the country. >> and it's also a powerful story to point out that prisons are not safe spaces for anyone period. so to have the added layer of being of color and a transwoman it further complicates this story. but up next, a major announcement made on this day 30 years ago. >> we'll tell you how a top movie star stunned the world. rly

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on this day 30 years ago just as the aids crisis was escalating, a new face of the epidemic emerged. in the fight against the disease, it was forever changed. rock hudson one of hollywood's most famous leading men, became the first major celebrity to publicly disclose that he had aids. he was first diagnosed in 1984 but kept it a secret from everyone except his closest friends. by the following year there were rumors about his health, especially after he appeared at a news conference with his frequent co-star doris day, looking thin and gaunt. in july of 1985 hudson was hospitalized in paris amid media speculation that he was suffering from cancer. but then came the official word from his publicist. the mysterious illness affecting hudson was the same illness that had already killed some 6,000 people. at the time the medical community knew little about

aids. it was often stigmatized as a disease that only affected gay men and intravenous drug users. hudson's acknowledgment of his condition marked a turning point in the public's perceptions but of aids and aids patients. suddenly, the crisis had a face familiar to millions. his revelation also challenged long held stereotypes about homosexuality and revealed the double life many gay actors were forced to lead particularly in the 1950s and '60s when hudson was the famous -- or made famous for embodying the quintessential leading man, wooing top starlets like elizabeth taylor in "giant" and doris day in "pillow talk." >> look i don't know what's bothering you, but don't take your bedroom problems out on me. >> i have no bedroom problems there's nothing in my bedroom that bothers me. >> oh that's too bad! >> classic. hudson's famous co-stars not only stood by him after his diagnosis but rallied.

the hollywood community to raise money for aids research. after his revelation, a sold out fund-raiser for aids project los angeles raised more than $1 million. hudson was too sick to attend the event, unfortunately, but sent a telegram that was read by fellow actor burt lancaster. >> i'm not happy i have that aids, but if that is helping others, i can at least know that my own misfortune has had some positive work. i. >> less than two weeks after that fund raiser and less than three months after opening up about his fight with aids rock hudson died at the age of 59. over the course of 62 films, he won the hearts of millions of movie fans but in real life hudson helped change minds and save lives by going public with his own very personal struggle on this day, july 25, 1985. janet, thanks for that. it's one of those event wes

think back web remember that and magic johnson as well in this long and very troublesome storyline for many. with that that's our show for today. thanks for tuning in with janet and myself on this saturday. we'll be back tomorrow 10:00 a.m. eastern, you'll be here right? >> yes, i will. >> up next, a preview of "weekends with alex witt." >> that was really good, you guys. i cannot believe it's been 20 years since rock hudson died. thanks for bringing it to our attention. rock stars both of you, the dynamic duo. thanks so much. we'll hear from dan rather about donald trump and how he's become a nightmare for the other republican presidential candidate, and yes, we have a new ratherism to share with you. also crumbling roads and the toll they're taking on your car. how we're all paying the price for those potholes on the roads. plus one candidate says the link between climate change and isis is real. we'll fact check that so don't go anywhere. we'll be right back.

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