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controversy. and her testimony before the house on the benghazi hearings. 2016 race on the democratic candidates, republican candidates. did donald trump's remarks about john mccain hurt him? very complicated answer. we'll have all the answers for you in about an hour from now. in kenya, president obama delivering a major address in an arena packed with 5,000 people this morning billed as the centerpiece of his visit to his father's homeland using his popularity in kenya as a bully pulpit saying the country has come far in his lifetime but it still has far to go. he called for kenyans to call for peace in the face of terrorism and compared the owe pregnancy of women to the confederate flag saying just because something is tradition

doesn't mean it's right. >> communities that give their daughters the same opportunities as their sons they are more peaceful, they are more prosperous, they develop faster they are more likely to succeed. that's true in america and in kenya. it doesn't matter. >> we'll bring in our panel this morning. genevieve woods, senior contributor at the daily signal part of the heritage foundation and ron insana making his debut as a panelist this morning, and from urban radio network, april. i know you were up live and tweeting early. so you're paying attention to what the president was saying. what did you make of what he said? >> when traveling overseas he wants to make a point of human

rights and talk about things that are current, particularly issues of women and girls. one of the things that he is really championing in washington and in the states. it was interesting to hear him talk about genital mutilation. he talked about that's not right and the crowd kind of -- they didn't clap as much on that one. that one came after the confederate flag issue. i was surprised to hear him bring up the confederate flag and talk about that as well as it relates to old traditions that don't bode well in either country, kenya or america. i thought the president carried on what he does. i saw an infectious crowd, so happy to see him. i mean he is a native son, to a certain extent. his dad is from kenya, born in kenya. for him to be there, it's amazing. to watch the crowd sit on every word he has to say. >> and it was interesting. in talking about women, genital mutilation, there were a couple of other issues he took up where he was basically expressing

differences, issues of corruption, poverty. >> yeah. >> he had this press conference with the president of kenya, the issue of gay rights came up. the president basically trying to take kenyans to task for their policy sbts kenyan president didn't seem to appreciate what he had to say. let's play that exchange for a minute. >> if you look at the history of countries around the world, when you start treating people different ly differently not because of any harm they're doing anybody, but because they're different, that's the path whereby freedoms begin to erode. >> but there are some things that we must admit we don't share. our culture, our societies don't accept. it's very difficult for us to be able to impose on people that which they themselves do not accept. this is why i repeatedly say for

kenyans today, the issue of gay rights is really a nonissue. >> it's interesting. when presidents go overseas typically they're still performing for the domestic audience. a lot of times when presidents go overseas and give a lecture for a foreign leader they're really performing for the folks back home. given the personal connection to kenya and given how much he means to kenyans in american politics is there a sense in this role he could change the culture a little bit in kenya? >> maybe over time. you don't want to overplay your hand when you're hand. i fully support his position on this but by the same token maybe you want to move more gently into the space. you can't go to a country, give a lecture and hope to get the type of response that you want. you bring others along slowly.

china is a central issue when you look at africa and the number of countries with which they are cutting deals on resources, on economic development. we want to be a player there. there is growth in the future. so i think you go incrementally and you try to avoid the lecture circuit, if you will. >> i guess also but that's where domestic politics comes in too. people in the united states washington is looking at kenya, for instance on gay rights issues. saying this is appalling. >> let's keep in mind the president just made a deal with iran, who probably oppresses homosexuals far more than kenyans. increasing ly increasingly player. >> nigeria is number one. >> nigeria is right there. index of freedom every year and

kenya is around 120, 122. a lot of that has to do with corruption which the president touched on. trade policy entrepreneurial policy within the country. that's what's would help the most women in that country and others opening up those areas in those market. >> three points when we talk about gay rights and particularly in africa. there are many nations in subsaharan africa that ban homosexuality. s it a criminal offense. homsexual sex is considered a crime as well. china is the biggest tradingeing partner in africa right now. they came in trying to build the infrastructure saying we'll build infrastructure. in turn we'll have some oil or whatever and take what they needed because they have a booming economy that's thriving on oil as well. you've got more people in china driving now. also -- then when you come to the issue of corruption it's a huge issue. east africa doesn't have a

footprint of terrorism as much as west africa. but when you find countries, particularly in subsaharan africa that is not democratic rule, that is not a country that you can rely on that's accountable, you're going to find you have more insurgents and problems coming in. look at nigeria. issues we're dealing with in nigeria when it comes to boko haram. s that a fear in east africa as well that it could become more of a problem. there are so many components when you look at sub saharan africa. >> the president made a joke about some of the conspiracy theories involving he and kenya. let's play that. >> i suspect that some of my critics back home are suggesting that i'm back here to look for my birth certificate.

that is not the case. >> i mean somebody was saying they half expected donald trump to -- >> i was going to say. >> exactly. >> i'm going to find it one of these day. >> the birther king. >> i guess this is his first visit to kenya as president, the first visit of any president to kenya. fourth in his lifetime to kenya. i wonder if we're getting a preview of the post presidency, getting into the wind-down phase of the presidency. we have seen the limits of the bully pulpit within the united states. he does have a bigger international audience than probably any foreign policy we've had. >> since president clinton who still has a rather large foreign audience anywhere he goes. we might be jumping to conclusions with that on to where president obama ends up post presidency.

if for instance hillary clinton were to take the white house next year might she appoint him as a supreme court justice? and as a constitutional scholar, there's a lot of question if he would fill that need and to a certain extent pack the court one way or another. it's early. it might be one of the things on his post presidency agenda. it may not be the dominant one. >> you just mobilize every republican in the country right now. >> the hillary/obama, two for the price of one. i've heard that theory. he would not be the first former president to sit on the supreme court. >> a young man and is definitely a rock star in subsaharan africa. they call him his own. i was in london recently in the last three weeks and they still love president obama there. members of parliament, they were talking about how they love president obama. >> that's the other thing. news report in kenya, this visit was such a big deal. babies born in the past week in

kenya have been -- >> barack obama. >> how about this? air force one. >> that's great. that's the same thing that happened with clinton. there was a child born when clinton went in 1997. >> how big -- >> he himself, has made the point he could probably do more for kenya after he's president. he said this in an article before going over. the trappings of the presidency. there is so much you can do from the bully pulpit. but to go in on the humanitarian side, he can probably do more. >> bill clinton probably a model there as well. >> yeah. still ahead, hillary clinton responds to new questions about her private e-mail account. those details are coming up. first, bernie sanders tries to make amends with the black lives matter movement. that is next. stay with us. [meow mix jingle slowly and quietly plucks.] right on cue. [cat meows]

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a person who commits a minor traffic violation, i think she forgot to put on her turn signal should not be yanked out of her car, assaulted, handcuff ed edhandcuffed put in jail and die three days later. that's not what should happen when you commit a minor traffic violation. we must reform our criminal justice system. black lives do matter and we must value black lives. >> that was bernie sanders addressing the case of sandra bland at the southern christian leadership conference long-time civil rights organization once headed by martin luther king jr. last night's speech by sanders comes one week after a rocky reception he received at a gathering of liberal activists. sanders, along with fellow

democratic candidate martin o'malley was disrupted and booed at net roots nation last weekend. >> shall i continue? >> hold on one second. >> it's okay with me. black lives, of course matter. i spent 50 years of my life fighting for civil rights and for dignity. but if you don't want me to be here that's okay. >> hillary clinton, who skipped that event and avoided those protesters last weekend seemed to sense an opening after that. >> it's heartbreaking to read about another death of a young woman, sandra bland in texas, another young african-american life cut short. and that's why i thinks it essential that we all stand up and say loudly and clearly, yes, black lives matter.

>> in joining me from new orleans, msnbc alex seitz-walt. what was it like yesterday for bernie sanders? >> definitely a much warmer reception for bernie sanders. they were very happy to have him, only democratic presidential candidate to show up. he touched on the right issues criminal justice reform voting rights and had a lot to offer on his economic message. people were very open minded. he came willing to learn. he acknowledged he was not very well known in the black community and he started with a very basic explanation of where vermont is. it's a small state, that burlington is the largest city and trace aid little bit of his history in the movement. two important caveats here. this was the perfect group for him. there are a lot of civil rights groups. this is a groups that of his generation. it's one that remembers and appreciates his work in the '60s

civil rights movement but several generations removed from the current black lives matter movement much younger group. he fell back on and really defended his economic world view. this is a guy who spent a lot of time looking through a lens. some of the people that i talked to including the president, dr. charles steele acknowledged there's a sensitivity issue for bernie sanders. key statistic here. vermont has just 7,500 black people in the entire state. more people at his rally than the entire black population. this was a good down payment for him. i think he has a long way to go. >> that's true. vermont is a small state to begin with and the share of the black population very tiny up there. let me bring in the panel here. a bit of a controversy this whole week this bernie sanders speech is the culmination of what we saw what happened at net roots nation. the other thing that happened

martin o'malley former maryland governor, was booed as well. he said black lives matter white lives matter all lives matter. he got booed for that later apologized and jeb bush republican candidate, he responded to that exchange with martin o'malley. he said we're so uptight and politically correct now that you apologize for saying lives matter. he was dismissing the black lives matter line as a slogan. just curious, april what do you make of what's happened in the last week here? >> one thing i know for sure all lives matter. when there are pervasive problems and you're now seeing the problems you need to be made aware of the problems. your team needs to help you understand the problems before you go out on the stage, particularly talking about black issues, okay? so the problem is some of these presidential candidates need to understand that we're not just focusing in on one group.

yes, the black community, the black vote tends to vote democratic. you cannot take the black vote for granted. you have to understand what are the problems specifically in the black community. the hispanic vote is up for play but the black vote is very important in this country as well. martin o'malley he was baltimore city's mayor as well as maryland's governor. he, in part is partly to blame for some of the riots because of the freddie gray death. he promoted that zero tolerance. for him to say white lives matter is a slap in the face to many people in maryland particularly in baltimore, who are still suffering from the aftermath of his reign as mayor. >> the "new york times" has a really interesting story looking at the incident at net roots nation looking at the jeb bush comment i just read and put nth context of the changing demographic face of america and what this is doing. it's emboldening some activists at net roots.

pat buchanan former presidential candidate, was quoted in this "new york times" article, dissecting what's happening on the right. it's not only illegal immigration, but mass immigration and the changing character and composition of the country that unsettles people. >> i would say looking at the democratic party this is a problem for them right now. because i think whether it's the black lives matter campaign or it's the sanctuary city that's another debate you've got activists there who really want candidates to take a hard line. the fact that you're booing bernie sanders off the stage, wow! there may not be a lot of black people who live in vermont but he has a lot of policies that would help the black community. >> it hurts the republican party as well. >> criminal justice reform i'm all for it. it's a great idea. my point is that's a base con stint wednesday

stintuency. but when you look at the larger public, they're like wait a minute. let's revisit this thing. there's a couple of issues like that there's more of a problem for them. you see bernie governor o'malley and hillary taking different stances. >> jeb bush messed up with that as well. >> it's probably substance and style. of course black lives matter. i'm old enough to remember the riots of the 1960s, unlike maybe some of you here. we're approaching the level of maybe an incendiary environment where we may see something big on the race front. from bernie's perspective, his problem was it was a bit tin eared. the way in which you would typically respond to an outburst. this taking it personally being somewhat thin skinned about how you deal with a protester at a rally, you sit back. you take into account the

person's point of view respond to it appropriately and you don't get flustered by these interruptions. >> and i wonder alex in new orleans, in the last week do you think bernie sanders -- is there a sense he learned something from what happened last week in arizona? >> absolutely. i think, steve. the day after the net roots incident, he said the name sandra bland, talked about her case. his twitter account tweeted out the names of a lot of the people who -- black young people who have been killed by police officers. i think he definitely is coming around to it. he has been injecting race and racism and economic issues related to african-americans much more into his stump speech. if you go back to the day he launched in burlington we were there, steve. it was almost entirely economic focus. he didn't mention racism. he's definitely learning -- ted devine, his top strategist told me this is key to the campaign.

he needs to find people around him him, bring people on to his staff that can speak to that point of view. his staff is over 90% white according to the group inclusive. long-time people who have been with him a long time. i do think he's heading in that direction. >> steve, real quickly, if you look at the way hillary, hillary clinton, secretary clinton responded to this she didt a very presidential platform oriented statement which takes her out of the fray. >> and she doesn't put herself in a situation where you have a live audience. >> she learned. in 2007 last time she went to net roots, she was booed. i think she suspected if not that, but something like that would happen if she went last week. >> thank you, alex seitz-wald for taking time this morning in new orleans. one of the people to get

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the facts are pretty clear. i did not send nor receive anything that was classified at the time. >> that was hillary clinton in winterset, iowa yesterday, responding to the recent controversy over the private e-mail account she used while she was secretary of state to inspectors general saying friday that classified information was transmitted on the private server she ran out of her home. but they added it was not marked classified at the time. it was not the only piece of drama for the democratic front-runner yesterday. clinton spokesperson announcing in the morning she had accepted an invitation to testify in front of the house select committee on benghazi on october 22nd. but republican committee chairman trey gaudy said no agreement had been reached. in ames iowa kristen welker.

do we know if this testimony will be happening october 22nd? and do we know this issue of did she send classified information, did she know she was sending classified information, do we have any clear answer there? >> reporter: well to your first question, it sounds like that date is still being discussed. as you point out, the clinton campaign came out yesterday and said it's going to be october 22nd. then the benghazi committee pushed back on that. there hasn't been a final determination yet. i think that's still up for discussion. as to your second point, steve, this has been a big political problem, every time she wants to talk about her policies it's overshadowed with her e-mail account when she was secretary of state. i was with her in winterset, iowa, yesterday, when she insisted she did not transmit or receive any classified information. i asked her about the fact that one inspector general said four

e-mails did contain classified information. take a listen to that exchange. are you confident that those four e-mails were not classified at the time you were transmitting them, sending and receiving them? >> yes. what you have here is a disagreement, which is not all that uncommon in the government. >> reporter: secretary clinton doesn't the fact that we're having this debate underscore the fundamental problem of using a private e-mail server when you were secretary of state? >> not at all. the vast majority of everything that i sent and received was already on the unclassified state department system in order to respond to foi requests you would have to go through the same process. >> reporter: steve i spoke with voters after that event yesterday. they are divided about how much of an impact this is actually going to have. some of her supporters say it's not that bigative deal but others say this could ultimately

affect her chances. the e-mail issue has helped to erode some of the public's trust in her. that's going to be a challenge going forward. she's going to try to shift the conversation away from these conversations. she'll start to lay out her plan to affect climate change. steve? >> kristen welker thank you. let's bring in the panel to talk about hillary the latest controversy. inside she's probably thinking maybe i shouldn't have had the e-mail server. >> can i offer an unconventional defense for use of a private server? office of personnel management was hacked presumably by the chinese government. they got data on every government employee in the united states, including social security numbers and other private data. to me it seems if you're worried about the reliability of government computers and their safety as secretary of state, you might want to have an

alternative. because the government is getting hacked every single day by the russians and chinese and they're not doing a great job of preventing -- >> you just gave her a better story. >> that's fine except that was not hillary's explanation for why she did it. personal devices and not carrying so many. one of the problems for hillary that wasn't in the report here. the inspector general took a random sampling of 40 e-mails and found four that were actually classified. there's 30 some odd thousand that they could go through. if it's 4 out of every 40 at this point that's a very high number if the percentages continue to play out. and whether or not people who like hillary think this is a problem or not, this will continue to dog her campaign. we are seeing in the poll numbers that her trustworthiness in key states where you're first starting out iowa being one, is being eroded. i have to believe some of this has to do with the e-mails.

>> things can be classified long after the fact. >> but they came back and said they were classified then and they're classified now. >> she's saying they didn't have the markings on them to say they were classified. >> devil in the detail. >> to further complicate this initial reports that came out friday said this was a criminal investigation into hillary clinton. >> which was retracted. >> it's not specifically by hillary clinton. >> but it's still serious. it's still very serious and the american public wants some answers. as kristen said in the piece, this is eroding her support and her numbers. and she has got to get this dealt with as soon as possible. october, whenever. it has to be dealt with swiftly. if she's found wrong she has to fix it. >> how can this ever really be dealt with when you're dealing with a situation where she took

control of the e-mail on her own, their own server out of their place outside the white house. she has turned over a lot of documents but it's selective. she's not turned over everything. >> for her opponents this is the gift that keeps on giving. it's different in benghazi. there have been multiple hearings on benghazi. republicans were briefed on the situation prior to us having a presence in libya. that one may be slightly more politically motivated. this is a problem of her own making that could last a significant time. >> back and forth, the benghazi committee, that's the other thing interesting to me about this. that "times" story came out on friday, they said this is a leak from the republicans on the benghazi committee. they sold a bill of goods at the time. when it came out that hillary clinton will testify maybe october 22nd before the ben gaze committee, they're commit is saying this is being leak bid hillary

to take attention away from the e-mail. >> someone is leaking information from somewhere. that's what we do know. the way she can fix this, she has already accepted responsibility to a certain extent. if she is found wrong, someone will fall on the sword so that campaign can go on. >> and i'm going to guess it's not going to be hillary. she could come forward, give over everything she had, turn over the server stop being so defensive every single time she is being asked the question and stop acting as though we the public, and those asking the questions here are the bad guys. you have every reason if you're running for president, to be honest with the public. >> before she wasn't answering. she allowed kristen to ask her question and a follow-up. >> she did. >> typically she's not been doing that. >> she's getting better now. >> i think we mentioned the questions of trust, that we have new polling numbers on that

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executive director of draft biden '16. when i see polls taken of hillary clinton versus joe biden in the democratic race i've seen hillary clinton ahead by 30 40 50 points something like that. a sitting vice president to be that far behind somebody else i can't think of another example like this given those numbers, what is the draw to get joe bide biden into this race? >> firstly for me, steve, his commitment to the military as well as his 30 plus years experience as united states senator and vice president. what have we been seeing the past few months is momentum momentum momentum. the poll that you just quoted on top of that another poll came out, 33% of the people policied said they could support the vice president. he was polling 14, 15%. you do the math. it's an open game. the vice president, he has been doing his job. he has been vice president. >> do you think that hillary clinton -- i mean she started out, we said at the very

beginning, never seen a front-runner like this before in either party. do you think she's not lived up to the expectations of a can dade? >> i don't think she has. in past weekend, we had -- some were hillary supporters and some were just not happy with the field. 16, 17 on the republican side, who knows how many running. on the democratic side -- >> 5,000. >> we only have four or five candidates running right now. basically in 2008 and 2007 when obama ran, they felt this new feel of energy. they felt this was the next john f. kennedy. it's not in this election. we're going to see a tremendous drop off of voters if we do not have a competitive primary. >> let me ask the panel what they think of this. april, idea of late entry by joe biden, is it fantasy or any possibility you see? >> we don't know what joe bidesen thinking right now. he's a person that when it comes

to telling his business and getting it out there, he holds it close. i'll never forget when he was up for the vice presidentship and i saw him at the white house during the bush years and said something about vice president. he took off in the other direction. you know. but one thing that biden does bring, he's a real person. will he tell you the truth and tell it in a way only biden can do. he has likability. the problem, i think, is the fact that he's so late into the game and the money -- where would his money come from this late? it's a good notion. >> is hillary clinton the -- president obama obviously is neutral in this thing but is hillary clinton the defacto anointed candidate? >> i don't want to go there because in 2008 she was the de facto anointed candidate. >> that's right. >> from biden's perspective if

he's seriously thinking about getting in you wait for an implosion somewhere. you don't come in here and challenge hillary when she's that far out front. i should say secretary clinton would have to stumble in a major way and that would give an opening for him to be a savior of the democratic party as opposed to a challenger in what everybody suspects is already a decided race. >> that's the thing. we were talking earlier in one of the breaks if something were to happen to hillary who would pick up the pieces at this point? >> not martin o'malley. >> i don't think so sbl & i don't think bernie sanders is going to get it across the line. i think biden has the name recognition. you've been sending stuff to my inbox for months now. there's an organized effort out there, whether joe biden is behind it or not, he might have an organization that's ready to step in. we'll see. >> the comparison i heard before, will 1968 eugene

mccarthy goes up against lyndon johnson, sitting president of the united states anti-war mccarthy. he doesn't beat him officially but basically beats him. lbj gets out and that clears the way for bobby kennedy to come in. of course he was later killed but had it not been for that bullet maybe bobby kennedy becomes the nominee. is that the scenario that hillary loses to bernie sanders in iowa or new hampshire and suddenly that's the opening? >> going back to the point april said about money, early on what happened was a bunch of obama supporters came to us and said they're not happy with the clinton campaign or potential clinton presidency. one of our huge supporters sat there and said i was trying to write a letter about why i was supporting hillary clinton and it took me hours and hours and hours. he could not figure out a reason why to tell his friends and associates to support hillary

clinton. literally an hour later after we said vice president, a letter for why he has been a champion for civil rights his family and all the way around in the different issues. >> by the way, have you talked to biden about this? >> no. >> if he steps in if he were to step in how much money -- >> give you his cell phone number. >> love you really well right now. how much money do you think he would have right off the bat if he were to step in? >> a windfall of money. on the finance end of things basically a bunch of donors are basically saying i love what you're doing. i'm supportive. the minute you hear about what's going to happen let us know. it's kind of weird, like we have a contingency plan. if we hear an announcement there would be a windfall of money. these supporters are ready to go. >> the minute you hear something is coming let us know too. will pierce and the group draft

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comments about senator john mccain have hurt him with primary republican voters or have they helped him? all the numbers in a minute. also this hour good news and more trumbullbling news that those numbers hold for hillary clinton. it's been an absolutely horrible week for commuters in new jersey and anyone who travels by train on the east coast. what does governor chris christie have to say about that five years after he killed a project to build a new train tunnel under the hudson river that would ease a lot of that traffic? and breakfast interview with chuck schumer gets "the daily show" treatment. those brand new polling numbers from nbc news that we have been teasing all morning. they give us an updated look of where things stand in the critical early states of iowa and new hampshire. in iowa bottom line here hillary clinton leading bernie sanders, nearest democratic

challenger 55-26% right now. martin o'malley way back at 4% and at 2%. clinton's lead was once more than 50 points in the grand state. now just 13. 47 to 34%. sanders was polling at 13% in new hampshire in february. he has almost tripled that to 34%. martin o'malley far back lincoln chaffe at 2%. the real story when it comes to the democratic state might be hillary clinton's favorability numbers among voters or unfavorable ratings in these states, 56 and 57% of voters in iowa and new hampshire saying they have an unfavorable opinion of hillary clinton. that is 19 and 20 points higher

than the number who have a favorable opinion of her in those states. in comparison, only 27% with nonfavorable view of bernie sanders in iowa. all voters we're talking about now, not just democrats. only 29% in new hampshire. s that the story on the democratic side. let's turn to the republican side. where we have new insight on donald trump's comments about john mccain may be hurting him. donald trump leading the republican field nationally. you see it here too, in new hampshire. donald trump in first place at 21%, seven points ahead of jeb bush, nearest competitor well outside the margin of error. scott walker at 12 points in third. the new entry, governor john kasich of ohio in third place. chris christie right behind him at 6. take a look at the numbers in iowa, scott walker wisconsin governor with a slight lead there in iowa at 19%, two points ahead of trump at 17 in the

first elimination caucus state, 12% jeb bush and ben carson at eight. these were conducted before and after donald trump made those comments that questioned john mccain's military service. here is an interesting finding contained inside those numbers. it's that after trump made those comments, his support among those voters surveyed did begin to drop. in new hampshire, 26% of voters questioned before trump's mccain remarks supported trump. after those mccain remarks, trump support fell to 14 points nearly cut in half. again, among those who were questioned after his comments about john mccain. however, here is the other twist. trump's iowa numbers did not contain the same change. there was no apparent damage to donald trump in iowa among republicans because of the john mccain remarks, only in new hampshire. trump, of course has refused to

apologize for what he said about mccain and has doubled down on his strategy of attacking nearly everyone in the republican field, a strategy he continued to deploy yesterday as he campaigned in iowa. his target yesterday? scott walker. >> i've been nice to scott walker. he's a nice guy. he came up to my office three, four months ago, presented me with a plaque because i helped him with his election. then today i read this horrible statement from his fund-raiser about trump. i said oh, finally, i can attack. of course it's turmoil. i'm in second place in iowa. folks, will you please put me in first place so i feel better?

>> let's start on the republican side and trump. that finding is so interesting, that split between iowa and new hampshire in terms of did these john mccain comments have any effect? you think of the difference between the electorates in those two states iowa much more conservative evangelical. new hampshire made john mccain in 2000. the president of new hampshire, in some ways. >> let's remember how this whole feud started. it started because john mccain called activists in arizona crazies. there's probably some activists in iowa who think he would say the same thing about them as well. this didn't hurt trump as much as many people thought it would because trump is doing, in my

view as well as he is because he's sticking it to people and sticking it to the establishment and they don't know how to deal with it. while a lot of folks ultimately i don't think, would vote for him for president, they're enjoying watching the show of him putting a thumb in the eye of washington. that explains a lot of his success. >> we also have other numbers we could tell you about. cnn just came out with its own new polling on the 2016 race on the republican race nationally. they have donald trump running in first place on the republican side and they also asked republicans nationally, do you want trump to stay in the race or get out? 52% of republicans saying they want trump to stay in the race. that's the new cnn poll. also out right now, ron, the interesting thing, to pick up on genevieve's point of what trump is tapping into here i think it's not just that he says this stuff in the first place. we have seen politicians say bombastic things. it's when the media world reigns

down on -- rains down on him, he doesn't give an inch and that's resonating with the republican base. >> the inverse of bill clinton, who gains energy when people come to him in a positive manner. trump gains energy when people come to him in a negative manner. he's grown larger and larger in that regard. by any means he's not the person he presents himself to be. he has numerous business failures constituency of one. his shareholders and bond holders don't like him nearly as much as everyone else. he has made money for donald trump. people talk about him tapping into this let's make america great. the united states is in reasonably good shape when you look at metrics and compare it to the next of the world. china is about to implode, russia is in recession. the u.s. is a bastian of stability. >> when compared to the bad

guys. >> no, but there are very few other places that can compete in a meaningful way with the u.s. but people have this feeling, as they did in 1980 that the u.s. has been degraded and this resonates with them. >> the anxiety is out there. april, let's turn to the democratic numbers. clinton is far ahead of bernie sanders in iowa much closer in new hampshire, not surprising. these number with his all voters, do you have a favorable or unfavorable view of hillary clinton? there were other numbers out earlier this week that showed her in a few swing states virginia, colorado iowa. those numbers looked shaky. maybe it's a little early on those. maybe this is a bit of an outliarout outlier. other candidates are in there. no one, except trump in this poll, is doing this poorly in terms of favorable/unfavorable number. >> one of the problems is that hillary clinton, secretary of state, former secretary of state hillary clinton peaked very

early. that's one of the problems. another big problem is the fact that she's got these controversies weighing over her head. they've got to be dealt with and moved on so she can come back and re-create herself, so she can stand out there and push forward for the oval office that she wants. people in these initial states they know the weight that they carry by their thoughts about hillary clinton and they're concerned like every american. what they're doing in those poll numbers are showing america what america really feels. >> bernie sanders aspect of this too, we talked about it with him. he could win one of these early -- those are his favorable, unfavorable numbers you're seeing with all voters. iowa is the kind of state geared toward somebody like sanders. 13 points off the lead in the summer before the primary. >> hillary has been out this before. let's go back to 2008. she couldn't pull it out in iowa. but, look i think the challenge

here, too -- bernie sanders, he's getting, what 24%? that's the numbers? >> 26 in iowa. >> doing as well as donald trump is on the republican -- or on the democratic side. for the gop what will be interesting is to see -- look donald trump has the stakehold here. you have all these other candidates. if there were only five candidates on the republican race or four like there are on the democratic side i think you would have a much different story with donald trump. marco rubio crowd, walker crowd and jeb bush crowd, some of those people would be coming together. you would see a much more level playing field and that may be how it place out. >> it really depends how long donald trump can stay in and dominate the media conversation. >> yeah. >> this is the issue. this is the problem mitt romney had five days before the election when the sandy hit and all of a sudden he disappeared from television for the five days before the election. you didn't see him. you didn't hear from him. you are not hearing from anyone else in the republican field.

there's just so little coverage. >> even with rand paul's chainsaw with the tax code. >> there's real consequences of that for these republicans. >> yeah. >> that first debate is coming up. you have to be in that top ten. if you're not being heard right now you might not get in that top ten. >> remember the nontraditional way in which i'm sure donald trump will approach this debate. >> right. >> this is not going to be anything -- i did a democratic debate back when wesley clark had just gotten into the race. brian williams was moderating. jerry seitz from "the wall street journal," gloria berger. we were told not to make news as the moderator of the debate it will be very low key. there will be nothing low key. >> about this. >> nothing polite or civilized about this whole ross. >> donald trump is not prepping. all the other candidates are prepping for the debate. >> are you surprised donald trump is not -- >> i thought he was going to prep. someone close to him told me he has problem with his memory. so, that might be some of the

reason he's not prepping. you do not want donald trump on that stage just going for broke. >> all he's going to have to do is what he has been doing thus far, attack every other single member of the republican party running. >> with a bind erer, with all sorts of bones to throw at everybody. >> what is it 90 minutes long ten candidates? you can't get into deep discussion of policy. >> three or four minutes per person. >> that's right. >> and he doesn't want to. >> no, he doesn't want to. >> he wants to name call. if you get in with him, he's going to shout you -- the only one who might have a chance of kind of making him quiet down for a minute is chris christie. imagine the specter of chris christie and donald trump getting into it. i am so excited about this debate. >> the strategy for all the candidates will get together and say let's ignore him. they're going to shun him. >> good luck with that. trump and the other candidates are in iowa this weekend. president obama is in kenya, part of his historic trip to

africa and -- excuse me. actually, we do not have that report. i thought we were going to have a report from nairobi for you. unfortunately, we don't. turn noug to louisiana, big news of course. tragic news in louisiana. movie theater shooting is sparking another heated debate over gun control. john russell houser bought the gun he used in that shooting legally in alabama despite having a history of mental illness. jamie novogrod is in louisiana. >> reporter: gun control advocates are wondering how it was that he was able to purchase the gun legally. what does it mean to purchase a gun legally? a background check was done. why his history, mental health history didn't come up during the course of a background

check. the sheriff's department there in russell county alabama, turned him down for a concealed carry permit because of a prior arrest on arson charges and because of domestic abuse complaint by his wife. what we know about him is this long slide into a kind of brushes with the law, into a kind of despondency, depression mental illness. now experts are wondering why that didn't come up during the course of a background check on him. court documents show in 2008 steve, his family had him involuntary committed for mental health treatment. why didn't that come up during the course of the background check? that's what experts would like to know. >> a lot of important questions there to get answers to in the days ahead. msnbc's jamie novogrod thank you for that report from louisiana. united states senate back in town and working today on a sunday. we'll look at why. first, chris christie re-evaluates one of the more

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this was the scene jucht moments ago, president obama leaving kenya after his historic visit now on his way to ethiopia for the next leg of his trip. before he left this morning, the president gave a speech in nye nairobi nairobi. for more on that we go to senior white house correspondent chris jansing in nairobi. >> reporter: good morning, steve. i think it's fair to say this entire trip has been building to this moment the president having a bully pulpit and all the emotion surrounding it for the kenyans who consider him a native son. this is his ancestral homeland.

he talked about this country being at the cross roads of peril and progress. the first one he spoke about yesterday as well that's corruption. this is one of the most corrupt countries in africa. that's saying something. he said it's been standing in the way of further economic progress in a country that has a fast-growing economy but where the poorest are still really struggling. for the first time he spoke very forcefully about stopping the practice of treating women and girls as second-class citizens. he said you can't eliminate 50% of your population and expect to move forward. he also talked about one area of agreement with the united states counterterrorism. this is a country that of course has been hit hard by terrorist bombings. and he said that cooperation is going to continue to build. the enthusiasm here though really reached a fever pitch. there were thousands of people lining the streets as his motorcade made its way to that

sports stadium. if you want one more indication of just how much he is loved here, there are local reports that after his plane touched down on friday two newborn babies were named. one, air force one barack obama and a second just air force one. i don't know if they'll have nicknames, af1. i'll leave that for you to decide. >> i'm going to have to go with a new name when i have kids some day now. thank you, chris. a project to build a brand new tunnel for trains in 2010 that travels under the hudson river into and out of new york city's penn station from new jersey. believe it or not right now there is only one tunnel in each direction. so all the train traffic on a very heavily traveled northeast coast, both amtrak and commuter trains tends to bottle neck

right there. tunnel project had funding from the federal government. it had support from the state of new york. new jersey was also on board and so the digging began. the project was under way. millions was spent. and then in 2010 -- this is the part you probably remember -- new jersey governor chris christie abruptly decided to pull new jersey's support, to stop all work and to kill the tunnel project. >> this decision is final. there is no opportunity for reconsideration of this decision on my part. i am done. we are moving on. >> governor christie said that the costs of the project had gone up and that new jersey was not prepared to foot any more of the bill. the plug was pulled. the tunnel was abandoned. no relief for commuters into and out of new york city. look at the headlines here. riders lived after ss livid.

new jersey transit shortfalls are painfully clear. amtrak boss says he feels nj transit riders frustrations over delays but needs funds. tens of thousands of people who live in new jersey and commute to new york having a hellish week getting to and from new york. amtrak passengers from all over the east coast suffering as well all because of electrical problems in the century's old rail problems exacerbated by the high heat one that also occurs in extreme cold raising more questions about christie's decision to halt construction on what would have been a new tunnel that could have relieved so much of this congestion. christie, of course, is running for president. larry cudlow asked him about killing that tunnel project five years ago. this is what christie had to say. >> if i am president of the united states i'll call a meeting between the president,

my secretary of transportation and governor of new york and governor new jersey and say listen if we're all in this even steven, if we are all going to put in an equal share then let's go build these tunnels underneath the hudson river. >> joining the panel now, andrea, chris christie is now in favor of building the tunnel that he killed. >> he's in favor of building a tunnel. there is a new project on the board. the problem is that it takes about 20 years for a tunnel like this, because you have to look at the land. you have to do environmental studies, put together the funding. this had all been done. they were actually digging a hole in the ground and had already spent hundreds of millions of dollars when governor christie decided that new jersey didn't have the money for cost overruns. there was later a report, audit of that and said cost overruns were not as frightening as all that. but by then the project was

long finished. and there was an equal, equal, equal distribution of funds from new jersey transit, the port authority of the state of new york and new jersey and the federal government. and essentially what happened is that $6 billion or $5 billion of funds, when this tunnel was pulled went to new jersey road projects, which were unfunded at the time. >> and take us back to that decision. because it was read several different ways in 2010. christie was new as governor. he was suddenly getting all this national attention. people were already starting to talk about him as running as a presidential candidate. some were saying this was a dramatic gesture aimed at the tea party nationally. he's going to try to pull the plug on what he calls a wasteful government project and endear himself to the tea party nationally. avoiding a hike on the gas tax in new jersey. >> he was left with an empty fund to pay for roads and bridges from the previous democratic governor. but the reason that fund is empty is because new jersey has

one of the lowest gas taxes in the nation. and it has not been raised for over two decades. as a result there's no money to pay for roads and bridges. last thing you want to do when you're thinking about running for president is to raise the gas tax. instead of doing that this was the way that they decided they were going to come up with funds, to sort of push the project down several years. incidentally, two other republicans running for president, scott walker in wisconsin, and john kasich in ohio did something similar and returned funds to washington for high rail speed projects saying the same thing, eventually they would not be able to pay for it. the upshot of all of this is the experience that commuters had this week and that it's horrible. the reason is because of sandy. when sandy flooded those tunnels, the power lines corroded, salt water gets into them. once that happens there's sort of no going back.

amtrak, last fall put out a report saying it's just going to get worse and worse. >> and years, decades away from having any relief. >> correct. >> i want to make sure i play this too. chris christie was out there, campaigning in iowa. we don't have the sound for it unfortunately. a heated exchange with a gun rights activist in iowa yesterday, christie saying come up with one fact that shows one thing i've done as governor of new jersey that's done anything anything not to support the right rights of legal gun owners. don't come in front of this group of people and lie about my record, which is what you did. i did want to put this up on the screen, if you're a gun rights activist, this might be what you're concerned about with chris christie. this was early in his political career, ran on an assault weapons ban, saying his opponents who opposed it saying it was a crazy idea radical

idea. chris christie eruption in iowa tunnel erosion. how does this all look ron? >> i'm a new jersey resident. on one hand this decision was made when the george washington bridge was working just fine and then also you know there's one thing about new jersey -- you may see studies that suggest cost overruns wouldn't be owner ownerous but that's probably not all that accurate. i can see his response to being solely responsible for anything extra. it started at $6 billion and ended at $14 billion, it's a lot of money when things spin out of control. granted we need them which points to a much larger shall in the united states critical infrastructure of every kind either needs repair or replacement. >> exactly. >> that needs a great deal of leadership. >> that issue of christie saying being on the hook how real was that? >> there was a report saying not so much.

infrastructure projects do always go over budget. the transportation secretary -- >> little bit. >> -- at the time though ray la hood who was also a republican, said we'll try to work out some financing for this to figure out a way to buffer that pain should it occur. christie said no no no we're just not doing this. it wouldn't be fiscally responsible. the problem is what's the alternative? the entire northeast corridor becomes throttled. >> and that's what we're seeing this week. >> terrible for the economy. >> we saw how that played out this week. >> that's right. that's the alternative. there's a tradeoff do you risk cost overruns, which could be painful or are you going to literally stop trains in their tracks and not allow all kinds of business commuters and commuters into new york city have progress. >> expand my entire childhood, but i will also say it looks pretty good up there. you can see the north end and

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fix. another contentious issue is tangled up with all this controversial amendment that would revive something called the export/import bank something that conservatives do not support, that they've been fighting for months. they do not like the export/import bank and it's what led to cruz's extraordinary statement on the senate floor onned from when he said that majority leader mitch mcconnell had personally promised him that the export/import bank would not be looped into the highway funding bill. >> i sat in my office. i told my staff the majority leader looked me in the eye and looked 54 republicans in the eye. i cannot believe he would tell a flat-out lie. and i voted based on those assurances that he made to each

sbfr one and every one of us. what we just saw today was an absolute demonstration that not only what he told every republican senator but what he told the press over and over and over again was a simple lie. >> all right. joining us from washington is neil lesnewski. extraordinary to have a u.s. senator on the floor saying something about a colleague, let alone republican leader. cruz is basically alleging, hey, look mcconnell sold us out. he sold out opponents of the export/import bank. is he right on that point? >> there are any number of instances in which the majority leader said that in fact the supporters of the export/import bank of which senator mcconnell is not one, but where senator mcconnell said on the highway bill senators who support the

export/import bank would get a vote. that's been on tape. any number of media reports. i've heard mitch mcconnell say it myself. it strikes me as rather unusual for senator cruz to be suggesting that there's no indication that this was going to get tied up with the highway bill unless in fact there was something -- the only thing that makes any sense is that if he perceived something in a private meeting that mcdodge said that was somehow different from what mcconnell was saying publicly. because there's been no real surprise that the export/import bank amendment was coming up on the highway bill. >> has there been any fallout from this? this happened a couple of days ago. they're going to be back today. are senators rallying around cruz or is he sort of a one man out on his own on this? >> he will have the support of senators presumably and house members as well as well as

those in the activist community who are ferventally against the export/import bank, who are generally distrustful of the who the cruz campaign would refer to as the washington cartel. senator cruz was raising money off his peach just yesterday. there will be more of that. but i don't know how exactly every other senator will respond. frankly by the time cruz gave this speech on friday, many senators had been running for the airports knowing they wouldn't have to be back until about 2:00 or 3:00 sunday afternoon. >> i'm sure you'll be keeping a close eye on that today and we'll look to see how the next chapter unfolds. thank you to neils lesniewski from "roll call." appreciate your time. breakfast with chuck schumer last sunday went so well we

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sweet n low. direct and indirect jobs. >> is that like a constituent service? i'm from brooklyn so i have to use as much sweet n low? during the winter i don't salt my driveway. i sweet n low my drive way? >> i'm glad we're able to give jon stewart some material. i love watching that segment. that got me thinking if he has that much to say about what someone else says in a diner, well, maybe he would have even more to say himself in a diner. i'm going to put it out there. heres it right now, an open invitation to jon stewart. you pick the diner, we'll do it in new york, new jersey. i think that's where you're from. we'll do it in connecticut if somehow that's easier. we can sit, have eggs talk about grits, coleslaw talk about iran. anything you want. you tell us where, when and we'll be there. and we'll even throw in some extra sweet n low. think about that one, jon

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time and "the colbert report" once. selling the iran deal during that visit to "the daily show," he also has shown he can have a little fun. >> the president knows his stuff, which is why he is known as the potus which is person on top -- what is it? >> jimmy, potus stands for president of the united states. ♪ he's the potus with the mostest ♪ >> reporter for "the new york times" joins our panel. not -- i remember bill clinton running for president in '92 went on the arsonenio hall show. that seemed to be the turning point. >> it's a shame he doesn't also play the saxophone. was it as scintillating as your

sitdown with chuck schumer in the diner? >> impossible standard. >> no. but there was a chummyness that then turned to conversation about the iran deal and how the president could better interact with the media. he has actually made a lot of appearances on all the shows that you mentioned. one of my personal favorites, he did a video with zach galifinakis. >> between two ferns, yeah. >> going out to promote the health care website. it was also a comedy bit that the president participated in. >> he did. we have a few here. we'll get these clips in too. this was president obama last year at the end of the -- as colbert was going off the air, he made a final appearance there. we can show you that. >> nation as you know i, stephen colbert, have never cared for our president. the guy is so arrogant i'll bet he talks about himself in the

third person. >> that's the other thing, dave too. i wonder if jimmy fallon doing a bit there on the colbert report. it's not so much monologue and interviews but participatory. the nature of late night changing a little bit. when you're a politician or president going on these shows, you're not just there to sit down and talk as much anymore. >> it certainly varies from show to show. some of these hosts may not feel as comfortable on the ground of let's have a deep political, even wonky kind of conversation with the president. we're more about having fun and doing viral bits. let's just write a good comedy bit that the president will participate in. he certainly proved to be a good sport about it. >> all the appearances on the late night shows has that helped him? >> oh, yeah. >> oh, yeah. >> most definitely. people see this president as a cool guy down dropping the mike during his late night -- what is it the jam? >> slow jam. >> slow jam. and between two ferns was the biggest hit.

the white house couldn't believe how it went viral with zach galifinakis. it went so well they played that bit at the white at the white house correspondents dinner, and the republican candidates saw that it played so well jeb bush tried to do the slow jam. >> funny, it feels revolutionary. i remember if anybody remembers richard nixon saying sock it to me. >> yeah here is a reality, and nobody is watching just this channel or reading this paper, and people are all over, and this is where for better or worse, a lot of people get their news and what is going on in the world is via these shows. if you want to reach the audiences -- >> yeah.

>> they want to feel like you are real and donald trump, he is reality tv and people want to feel like you are a real person and real people throw things out there and listen to music and dance and sing and -- >> throw out their candidate's phone numbers. >> exactly. people want to think you are real and you see the realness of the president and somebody that sits on the high perch -- >> yeah you can't use talking points then. >> is there -- you look at the variety of options you have if you are the president or any politician looking to go on the shows, and the variety of options you have is there a particularly good one you think, and is there a good match for these people? >> as all of your other guests pointed out, the president knows going into a situation he is going to be given the dignity of the presidential office and he is not going to be interrupted, and they try to make it add srau

tear -- adversarial. that makes it go down easier whatever point he is trying to push. >> i did want to play one more too. this is before david letterman retired back in may and president obama was on that as well. let's play a clip. >> what will you do when you are not president? >> i was thinking you and me could play dominoes together. >> dominoes, all right. >> we can, uh you know go to the local starbucks, you know, and swap stories. >> i tell you the president has the right style for the shows, a riddle rye and detached. >> there are moments where these things can go bad on you, too. it's not without risks,

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that brings us at the end of our two hours. thank you to the panel and thank you all for being here. it was a lot of fun. thank you at home for getting up with us today. appreciate that. later today on msnbc, "taking the hill," patrick murphy interviewing congressman patrick murphy. how is that, one of them is the

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