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prison. another sighting of what apparently is a lion roaming the streets of a major american city. we'll bring you the latest. hey there, everyone. high noon in the east 9:00 a.m. out here in the west in los angeles. hillary clinton, her e-mail controversy. at issue whether she knowingly sent or received classified information using her private e-mail server while she was secretary of state. let's go to nbc's white house correspondent kristen welker who joins us from iowa. kristen, good day to you. what all is hillary clinton saying about this? >> reporter: well, alex good afternoon to you. hillary clinton is adamant she never did anything wrong. now her challenge today at iowa state university is to shift the conversation back to her policies, and away from those nagging questions about her e-mails. presidential candidates crisscrossed iowa this weekend,

pulling out all the stops to court voters here. but one issue continued to loom large. new questions about hillary clinton's private e-mail account while she was secretary of state. >> the facts are pretty clear. i did not send nor receive anything that was classified at the time. >> reporter: the democratic front-runner emphasizing that point after two inspector generals this week asked investigation into her private e-mails. one noting four of her e-mails did contain classified information. are you confident that those four e-mails were not classified at the time that you were transmitting them, sending them and receiving them? >> yes. what you have here is a disagreement, which is not all that uncommon in the government. >> reporter: meanwhile, donald trump, who continues to lead in many polls, campaigned 75 miles down the road saturday. and wasted no time trying to capitalize on the new e-mail flap. >> i don't know how a person

with that cloud over their head could be running for the office of president. >> reporter: clinton's democratic challenger did not engage with clinton, but jumped at the chance to take a swipe at donald trump. >> i think any candidate that panders to fear and division and talks in such hateful terms about other human beings shouldn't be running for any major party's nomination. >> reporter: now the justice department has yet to determine whether they'll actually take up theers mail issue. meanwhile, yesterday clinton's campaign announced she will testify before the benghazi committee on october 22nd. the republican chair of that committee pushed back against that alex saying no date has been determined. all of that essentially underscoring how politically contentious this issue continues to be. >> thank you so much from ames iowa kristen welker. new polls out this morning shows donald trump is still a leader

in two states. he leads with 21% followed by jeb bush at 15%. then in iowa trump stands in second place just behind scott walker. in iowa trump took shots at his main gop rival there. >> i read this horrible statement from his fund-raiser. about trump. i said oh finally, i can attack him. finally. finally. i would have never done this. i didn't know. because i hear the only one beating me in iowa is scott walker, and not by that much. >> well let's bring in democratic pollster fred yang. good to see you, fred. is it getting harder and harder to write off donald trump? as a pollster how do you interpret his popularity? >> look you can't write him off right now.

he is leading the republican field in national and state polls, number one. i think number two, you know alex with 16 republican candidates, you really can't write off anyone. the field is so fluid. and i think number three, the interesting thing about donald trump's numbers in the iowa and new hampshire polls, he is what we call in politics he doesn't seem to have long-term staying power, he has by far the highest negatives of any republican candidate in any of those two states. i think in new hampshire, he was 53% unfavorable. in iowa he was 44%. >> how do you reconcile that? how is it he has such high unfavorable numbers and yet heads to the top of the polls in others? how does that work? >> because he has the highest name recognition of most of the candidates, other than someone like jeb bush. and alex he also has high favorables. clearly right now in a crowded field, 16 candidates voters are

trying to figure out who to vote for, much less who the other 10 or 11 name people are. yes, he's a polarizing figure but there are some folks who are favorable toward you, right now those are the people he's getting. i think the question for mr. trump as we move forward is when the field goes down to four is he still there. i think that's when his high negatives could be his undoing against a two or three-person field. >> i think the word polarizing is what explains it all, as you said. hillary clinton, by far leading the pack for the democrats. vermont independent bernie sanders, do you think hillary clinton is vulnerable to the democratic party's progressive wing? >> i think what democrats want is a debate on the issues. there are very strong feelings in the party about issues such

as income inquality. i think democrats throughout the country want a debate. i think that's what is fueling it. i think democrats are comfortable with mrs. clinton. i think they feel good about her if she's a nominee. look, i think any nomination whether the republican which is very fluid, or the democrats which seems a little bit more stable, we're still months away from when actual voters get to vote for president. >> if you look at the snapshot right now, fred you have mrs. clinton not fairing well against a republican opponent in three states. it shows clinton behind in the states of colorado virginia and iowa. are there any party concerns about her long-term viability? is anything going to look back to '08? >> no i don't think so. i think from all accounts she's

running a stronger campaign than she was in 2008. she has had a very successful tenure as secretary of state. look i think what these polls, and all the polls are showing, alex is really how fluid things are in the country. things seem to change month to month. i think we feel as a party that if it's a democratic party versus a republican party, we're in very good shape on issues such as immigration, such as the social issues such as in fact economic issues. these elections are about candidates, but they're also about issues also. i think on a lot of these issues, the democrats hold the upper hand. >> you talked on this just a second ago. it is july 2015 right now, fred. how much is what's happening right now is going to affect november of 2016? although i have to say it does feel a little accelerated. >> look, i think every

presidential election breaks new territory in terms of how the dynamics shift. look alex talking to my fellow consultants, both democrats and republicans, july 2015 feels like july 2016. i think elections are about fundamentals. number one, are president obama's numbers going to be as good a year from now as they are today. that's a big help for the democrats. is the republican party going to be seen as out of the mainstream on some of these issues i mentioned. we don't know that a year from now. i think while there's a lot going on now, i think some of it will have some impact on the november 2016. i think fundamentally, this is still a day by day, month by month campaign. >> sometimes it feels like hour by hour fred yang. just saying. thank you very much. >> thank you. >> an hour ago president obama

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corruption. >> chris jansing is in nairobi for us. >> reporter: the speech the president gave today was expected to be the highlight of his trip here. we seen saw in the motorcade heading there to the stadium, thousands of people lining the route, shouting his name waving flags. some of them even gave chase to his limousine. afterwards people pushing bare ores so hard the secret service whisked him up on the stage and he had to leave earlier. the point is all this popularity is something that the president would like to leverage. he used this speech as a bully pulpit to push for more change democracy and less corruption. we heard him speak about the need for progress for women and girls. he said that just because something is a tradition doesn't make it right. and he compared it to the confederate flag debate in the united states. he also made a promise that he was going to be a friend to kenya. and had said last night that he would be back.

although not as president, this time probably with his jacket off. it was a very personal speech. and something he hopes will resonate with people in kenya. and he certainly gained some points when he used a phrase that they often had, but we never heard it from him before he called himself a kenyan-american. now, of course he is in ethiopia, a country that struggles with many things that they do here in kenya. >> chris jansing in nairobi there. in kentucky at least seven people were injured when a children's swing ride tipped over at an amusement park. it suspends riders in the air as it spins around. police confirmed some children were among the injured. the incident is under investigation. police remain on high alert after another sighting of a lion-like animal on the streets of milwaukee this weekend. the saturday sighting said the

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on capitol hill today, a rare sunday session for the senate on the agenda yet another effort to repeal obamacare, and an amendment that could resurrect the export/import bank. states will immediately lose funding for highway and transit projects if congress does not act in time. it's been a big week for

politics and policy. we're going to get right to it with the top democrat on the house intelligence committee. good to see you. >> thank you. >> the administration is moving ahead to sell the iran nuclear deal to congress this week. have you decided where you will come down on this? are you going to support this deal? and if not, what worries you about it? >> i haven't decided yet, alex. i'm still weighing it. i think there are still a substantial number of us not ready to say we're for or against it. what i've been doing is meeting with intelligence leaders to find out what cheating would be most easy for iran to try to hide, or in the event of discovery conceal. i also want to look at the length of the agreement, the viability of the snap-back provisions and the inspections. all of these issues are interrelated. you can see a scenario where we believe iran is cheating.

they try to clean it up. we then have a dispute, perhaps within the p5-plus one, and whether the other countries will go along with it. i'm trying to work my way whether this is really workable. we have to balance all that against what's the alternative. and there, i think all of us are operating somewhat in the dark. >> you bring up very good points, all of which need to be addressed. what happens if this deal does not go through congress? >> that's the big question. you know frankly, anyone who says they can tell you with certainty is going to happen is blowing smoke. we can make an educated guess about it. probably it would be reasonable to expect that if we sink the deal effectively, that russia and china will go on and do business with iran. we will maintain our sanctions. we will fight with europeans to see if we can get them to retain theirs. iran could decide to comply nonetheless, making the deal with europe, or it may decide to

back out and begin enrichment again. we don't have any inspectors there. that would move iran closer to the bomb. it would provide iran with some of the financial relief because these other countries would be doing business with iran. but not all the financial relief if the deal went through. we supported it. you may be in a race for time whether iran crosses a red line or they don't. but we're all trying to look in a crystal ball on that. >> we've got six-plus weeks or so to see if congress weighs in on this. hillary clinton has been playing defense on she may have either sent or received some level of classified information using her private e-mail server account while she served as secretary of state. here's what she told nbc news. this happened yesterday. let's take a listen. >> doesn't the fact that we're having this debate underscore the fundamental problem of using a private e-mail -- >> not at all. no. because this would be the same debate if it were -- the vast

majority of everything that i sent and received was already on the state department system. the unclassified state department system. the facts are pretty clear. i did not send or receive anything that was classified at the time. >> inspector general statement said four e-mail messages were classified by their categorization on this. where is the discrepancy here? how concerned are you that classified information was sent? >> well here we have the inning spector general saying during this public review process that information that was sent or received by the secretary should have been classified. the reality is as the secretary pointed out, it wasn't marked classified at the time. i think the secretary is also quite correct whether it was a something not marked as classified it's hard to lay responsibility at the recipient or sender of that information. it may be that now in retrospect

the inspector general looks at it and says it should have been classified, because of changing world events and i see the intelligence community tee sees that it's classified at the time although the state department did not feel it should be classified at the time. these are not at all uncommon. what disturbs me is a member of the select committee on benghazi is the leak of this inspector general's referral the mischaracterization of that referral as if it were a criminal referral against secretary clinton. >> he's walked that back. >> it was designed to get a headline. it's designed to sow confusion. but what we were charged with doing is getting to the bottom of some supposed still lingering question about what happened in benghazi, we have so far moved afield of that. it's a trafvestytravesty. >> would this be a moot point if secretary clinton had used her

classified e-mail? >> if she were sending these e-mails on her public server the same questions would be raised, why was classified information sent or received on an unclassified system. especially if any of those e-mails went to people outside of the government. as we know some of them did. you have the same questions raised. similarly, the question about any removal or destruction of personal e-mails, which she has every right to do you would have that same question on the government server because it's left to the federal employee to decide what is a public e-mail what's a personal e-mail that they have every right to destroy. >> turkey has decided they will allow the u.s. to send both manned and unmanned aircraft from its bases in the fight against isis. how do you think this will affect it? >> i think that's a very significant change. that's obviously something we've been pushing for all along. probably the more significant development with turkey was the fact that turkey took the fight

inside syria to isis. that was very positive. but we also had, i think, a very serious setback with turkey and that is turkey also went and bombed the pkk, these kurdish forces in iraq. and so the conflict between turkey and the kurds is escalating. we have enough problems on our hands with isis without this conflict expanding to now a military confrontation between the pkk kurds and turkey. >> let's get to gitmo and the plans to finally close gitmo at some point, with about 100 prisoners left there in guantanamo bay. many categorize this as being the worst of the worse. there's a plan to move potentially half of them or so up here to the united states. what are your thoughts on that? where would they be housed and is that a good idea? >> it is a good idea to shut this down. i think gitmo has become a symbolic black eye for the country in terms of rule of law. it's become a rallying point for jihadis around the world.

it's also very expensive. we spend about $3 million per person there. we have about 115 people there. about half of those, or almost half of those have been cleared for release if we can find a suitable place to send them where they would be monitored or detained. >> super max prisons? >> the remainder would have to go to a super max prison. some can be sent to third countries and already have been cleared if we can find appropriate places to do that. the rest though are really problematic. some can be prosecuted some probably can't be prosecuted because of the, either the nature of the intelligence that was used to gather information against them or enhanced interrogation techniques that were used. those people will be prisoners of war until the end of the war. with respect to that category, that's really the toughest nut to crack. so the administration is going to be releasing imminently their plan foreclosure. i'm actually quite hopeful for the first time because you have senator mccain, who has been

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the shooter's journal. what can you tell us? >> reporter: that's right, alex. this afternoon law enforcement is going through a journal that houser left behind in an area motel room. they say that the journal offers a clue as to planning that went into the shooting thursday night. here's what the man who runs louisiana state police told me during an interview today about what's in the shooter's diary. >> here's what was clear. he wrote down 7:15. he wrote the grand theater. he wrote train wreck. that's where he was going. those things were pretty clear. he made those comments in there. >> reporter: that's louisiana state police chief mike edmondson. in the shooter's diary, he noted the exact time and place of the shooting that he would later carry out on thursday, killing two women and injuring nine others before turning the gun on himself. they're looking into reports houser visited three other theaters in recent days. the third was here in lafayette. finally, the question of

houser's mental health. he was involuntarily committed in 2008 by his family. gun experts are wondering how that escaped notice when he made that legal purchase of the firearm he used during the shooting here in order to purchase a gun. one has to undergo a background check. why it didn't come up is unknown at this time. >> certainly that journal offers a level of understanding. bernie sanders tries to get past last week's misstep with the black lives matters movement. howard dean reacts to the hillary clinton e-mail controversy, and how it might affect her candidacy.

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>> no person in the united states of america should have to worry that a routine interaction with law enforcement will end in violence or death. we must reform our criminal justice system black lives do matter and we must value black lives. >> sanders' comments come a week after he was heckled at a convention in the black lives matter movement. joining me from new orleans, alex good day. how are senator sanders' comments received and what's behind his campaign push there? >> well alex sanders knows that he not only would be a luxury for him to expand his base to black voters but he is an electoral imperative. one of five voters in the democratic party are black. there are only 7,500 americans in the entire state. this is a clear effort to reach out, reintroduce himself to black voters at this historic civil rights organization

founded by martin luther king. he hit a lot of the right notes. he talked about criminal justice reform, he talked about the drug war, and he talked about voting rights. here's what he had to say on that. >> i'm a politician. i've won elections, i have lost elections. but i run on elections based on my ideas. i am not afraid of people coming out to vote. it is cowardly for people to deny people the right to vote. >> so sanders was very warmly received here. this is a group that puts poverty at the center of its mission. which is also a big issue for sanders obviously. but it's a generation divide from the black lives matter movement which are much younger activists. a lot of people that i spoke to acknowledge that they don't know a lot about bernie sanders, they're keeping an open mind. he was introducing himself for the first time. but this was a good start for him, absolutely. >> alex thank you very much for that recap. appreciate it. let's go to the hillary clinton

campaign, new remarks from the candidate denying that she sent classified e-mails on her personal account while secretary of state. >> doesn't the fact that we're having this debate underscore the fundamental problem with using a private e-mail -- >> not at all. no. because this would be the same debate if it were -- the vast majority of everything that i sent and received was already on the state department system. the unclassified state department system. the facts are pretty clear. i did not send nor receive anything that was classified at the time. >> joining me now, howard dean former dnc chair and vermont governor. good to see you, as always. >> thanks alex. >> is it plausible for a secretary of state to send at least 30,000 e-mails and not once think that maybe one could contain classified information? >> first of all, i think we have to check the facts. "the new york times" has really screwed up. this is the second time they've done this with one of these stories. here are the facts.

confirmed by the department of justice and inspector general's office one, there was never a request for a criminal investigation. two, any classified material that was sent from hillary clinton's private server was received by her unlabeled as classified. so there is no story here other than the most prominent newspaper in the entire country really screwed up. i'm interested to know why they screwed up. was this just laziness? was this malevolence? this is the second time they've done this and had to retract and reconnect and rewrite. i think it's really a serious matter they have "the new york times" has, and they better get to the bottom of it before we have a real judy miller episode here. >> i'm sure the managing editors of "the new york times" are looking at all that you suggested there. i want to play a little more of what hillary clinton said. here's that. >> now, what we're seeing is people looking back and saying maybe that should have been --

very very few issues about the 55,000 pages we're talking about. just four or fewer. >> look she says it's four or fewer. but that is four from only 40 e-mails that the inspector generals are looking at. is she fairly characterizing the situation as only four when there are thousands that are yet to be examined? >> what we know for sure is that none of the e-mails on hillary clinton's servers were labeled as classified. that we know of. now, there's going to be 30,000 more e-mails that come out. maybe some of them will be. in which case there is a story. "the new york times" screwed this up, put it on the front page and said hillary clinton was under criminal investigation, or implied that. i think that's outrageous. >> to get this out of the public purview and our discussion you're indicating you'd like to move on to more substantive things. what about turning over the server? >> look, i don't know anything

about the server or what's on it. i think that to let somebody's private server be looked over by the right-wingers, by trey gowdy, who is clearly a clone for the rnc, that's something that a lot of people have to debate and discuss. all i know is there's no evidence that hillary clinton has done anything wrong whatsoever and ought not to be on the front page of "the new york times." >> how concerned are you? how long might this trail her? how does this play into her higher unfavorability numbers in ohio and new hampshire as we've seen in the latest poll? >> this is exactly when the false financials of the clinton foundation came out, and it was found there was no story there. trying to intimate that russian people were trying to get a mine in canada trying to influence the clintons by having donations sent to the clinton foundation. this is crap if you pardon my french. my betting is this ends up the same way.

sure, there's a bounce in her negatives. if it's untrue she'll do fine. >> i'll call you later and tell you how to say that in french. mrs. clinton is going to -- this is seriously. before the benghazi committee, she wanted it to be a public hearing. what are the risk/rewards for her as candidate for president? howard, can you hear me? >> yes, i can. oh, i'm sorry. i thought you were moving on to the next story. i beg your pardon. >> just from the political standpoint, how does this play into everything in terms of her candidacy? >> benghazi has been so beat to death, especially by darrell issa. the basic republicans' mou is obstruct obstruct and

obstruct. the outgoing intelligence committee chairman in the house, who is a republican after he left office said there's nothing here. this is clearly another republican attempt to use the fact that they have a majority in the house to try to damage the prospects of the democratic -- or likely democratic nominee for president. i don't think there's any down side to the bun ghazi subject. there's been hearing and two or three different committees. this is not going to be a problem. she was right to insist that this hearing be in public so the public could see, and stuff couldn't be leaked selectively by the republicans. >> you probably have seen the polls from this past week from the three key states hillary clinton trails three top gop contenders in states of iowa new hampshire and colorado. when do these kinds of polls become more than a curiosity, and they begin to raise some sort of alarm in a candidate's camp? do you hear other concerns about other democratic operatives? >> i do not hear any concern.

i think these kinds of polls raise concerns about a year and a month from now. >> okay. until then what are we talking about? no, i'm just kidding. it's all part of the discourse. all right. howard dean good to see you. thank you so much. >> thanks, alex. new reaction this weekend to jonathan pollard. he could be out of prison in just a few months. pollard is serving a life sentence for passing classified intelligence to israel. loretta lynch was asked about reports about a possible pollard release could be tied to the iran nuclear deal. >> i can't really address that because i haven't been involved in any of those statements. i would say that it would have been extremely far-thinking of people 30 years ago to sentence mr. pollard, and set this mandatory release date to coincide with the iran deal.

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second it's a suicide. there are documented cases of police abusing suspects bringing them into jail abusing them beating them and they die and they try to make it look like a suicide. i wasn't there, i admit, but i don't believe for a second it was a suicide. but let's say it was. who set in motion the cause for her death? this abusive cop to acted unprofessionally, he was abusive, taking his power to a level that was totally unnecessary. however she died, they caused it and they should be held accountable. >> tom, can a police officer under the circumstances that we are witnessing on this videotape, can a police officer order someone out of their car, or even more what happened before, ask them to put down a cigarette and expect them to comply? >> they can ask them to get out of the car. i don't think they can order them in circumstances like this. it's a situation of extreme violence. the police are in a shootout or whatever, they have the leeway to do things that you don't do ordinarily. but in this situation, given the minor event that this police officer got involved in he was

abusive, he was unprofessional and should be held accountable. the whole department should in my opinion. >> even the cigarette. i don't recall hearing an officer ask someone to put out their cigarette. >> i've never heard of that before. >> okay. the officer who has been removed, he's been placed on administrative leave for violating department policyiespolicies. should be there some sort of oversight group that monitors police activities? and should there be do you think, an official officially for police misconduct? >> there has to be and done by an independent arm of government. even with that going on i think the family if they can get the funds together should hire a private pathologist, somebody like michael baden, to do an independent investigation of the circumstances surrounding her death and come to an independent conclusion. >> would that give a legal recourse? the examiner has ruled her death a suicide. >> i don't believe it was a suicide. i think they're all in bed

together covering up for each other. police cover-ups are just a normal routine in america. they happen all the time. the code of silence is alive and well. you need someone with independent credentials to check out what happened. >> this case has gained national attention, though. due in part to the video that we've had. what are your thoughts on how video will impact efforts by police, and the way they stop people, and also people who question abuse at the hands of police? >> the more videos the better. the more videos citizens have and the more they video police when they engage in any type of police stuff or control issue, the better we're going to be. we need videos. they have to be released to the public. the police shouldn't have something to hide. >> were you to be in charge of sandra bland's case on behalf of her family right now, what would be your next move? >> it would be a private autopsy. that would be the first thing. i would also hire a private investigator to check out her background, check out the police officer's background as much as possible, get as much information as you can from the

files of the police department. it's not always easy but it can be done. >> i will say i believe the family has ordered a private autopsy, so they're right in thinking with you. but again, we have to say, the police has denied any of the allegations, and are doing their own internal investigation with administrative leave. >> look at the police officer in south carolina. the white guy who shot the black man, talked to him, pulled him over for a busted taillight, talked to him, the man ran, shot him eight times in the back. they all went and put a stun gun next to his body to make it look like he had stolen a stun gun. all the police were together trying to cover up. but they didn't realize some innocent person on the side was videotaping them. we need more of that. >> thomas mesereau, thank you for joining me. >> thank you. expert from at&t? yeah, give me a problem and i've got the solution. well, we have 30 years of customer records. our cloud can keep them safe and accessible anywhere. my drivers don't have time to fill out forms. tablets. keep them all digital.

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tell her own story in her own words. "i am cait" kicks off tonight on e. >> we're out into the world! it's so bright out there. look at that. isn't it great? that maybe some day you'll be normal? just blend into society. >> you are normal. >> put it this way, i'm the new normal. >> joining me now is tv critic from deadline hollywood. what fascinates you most? >> what's interesting is caitlyn jenner talked about the process of his now her transformation. when she was going to do a reality show. i say she, because i think pronounce are very important here. she wanted to use it to do more than just the standard stuff. what's amazing here is i think there are two shows in one here. one is a pretty standard reality tv show with lots of beauty shots of malibu staged spontaneous moments and what

have you. that's fine. you have to do that. kim kardashian and kylie jenner show up, too. you have to maintain the bridge of keeping up with the kardashians. the other show is within a show which is a platform for the lgbt community, especially looking at what transgender youth who far disproportionately suffer from murder and suicide rates, that can be very cynical in today's media age. reality tv is edited with a chain saw. what's amazing is to see the response with these kids and with their families, when caitlyn jenner says i've got your back. i have to tell you, it brought tears to my eyes. >> really? >> it was amazing. i do this for a living. i watch these shows. i'm very cynical about reality tv. keeping up with the kardashians can harden your cynicism. what caitlyn jenner is doing is a game-changer is as much as

he/she has done to her own life. it could help and save hundreds of lives. >> yeah. i want to show another clip from "i am cait." it shows cait talking about her fears. >> it's like 4:32 in the morning. and i can't sleep. my mind is just spinning with thoughts. i just hope i get it right. i hope i get it right. >> vulnerability there. >> a lot. i think that's part of what makes this show work so well. it's an eight-episode series that e is doing. we saw from the "vanity fair" cover, diane sawyer appearance but i would also look at the beginning of this with caitlyn's speech at the espys, the importance of identity. i believe that kanye west who a lot of people dis, but kanye says to caitlyn, you are a

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