his money. >> not backing down. mike huckabee once again defends his comments linking the iran nuclear deal to the holocaust. ♪ >> as president of the united states would you use the words march the israelis to the door of the oven? >> yes i would. >> mike huckabee is taking a page from the donald trump playbook. >> those words reserved for despots and tyrants not presidents of the united states. >> huckabee's comments cheapen politics and history. >> maybe it gets attention. maybe this is just an effort to push mr. trump out of the head lines. >> i don't use language like that. >> i find this kind of inflammatory rhetoric totally unacceptable. >> what's interesting is this trumpification of the primary. some of the lesser candidates have to really pull a stunt to

get any news attention. the republican presidential race has just barely come into shape and already it appears to be suffering from a case of chronic inflammation. huckabee is the latest candidate to stand by his controversial remarks defending comments that president obama's iran deal would take the israelis and march them to the door of the oven. huckabee doubled down on his message with a vine today featuring the poster boy for appeasement neville chamberlain. >> the response from jewish people has been overwhelmingly positive. the response from holocaust survivors, from the children of holocaust survivors. i was last night in an event. i was probably one of four gentiles in the entire event. it was a jewish event. people were overwhelmingly supportive. >> but the response from fellow candidates has been much less

supportive. yesterday in florida jeb bush had this to say. >> i think we need to tone down the rhetoric for sure. look i've been to israel not as many times as mike huckabee who i respect. but the use of that kind of language in -- is just wrong. this is not the way we're going to win elections and that is now how we're going to solve problems. >> last night in chicago governor scott walker says he takes the same approach with huckabee as with trump. >> much like mr. trump w huckabee and anybody else. i'm going let them speak for themselves. i'm going to tell you what i'm for. i don't use language that. i'm against the iran deal because it is a bad deal. >> as huckabee made the remark in order to steal a little attention. the former arkansas governor says he's not trying to compete with the donald. >> i'll swim in my lane. he can swim in his. >> and donald trump is happy to do just that. a broaden new poll finds him

leading in new hampshire with double the support of jeb bush. joining me now is cnbc squawk box co-anchor and "new york times" columnist. and nbc's national correspondent, and managing editor of the washington post. chris, let's talk about mike huckabee and whether it's really fair to say he's part of the wave of trumpification. because in fact mike huckabee is after all the same guy, the very same guy who said he wished he were trans gender in high school so he could shower with girls. and mike huckabee just also a week or two ago released a video blowing up the lion king. we don't have to get in the context of all of that. but bombast and sensationalism will not knew to huckabee.

>> the other one that jumps to mind for me is the way he described beyonce and jay-z and said the obama girls shouldn't be aloud to. it bewildered him as to why president obama let his girls listen to that music. >> and maybe treated beyonce as the pimp would treat. >> those were his words. >> yes. >> i do not think this is a new role for mike huckabee. i think in 2008 many people misperceived who he was. fun loving guy. plays guitar. he hangs out with chuck norris. but this guy is someone who trained at the seminary. was a baptist minister. head of the arkansas baptist convention. quite sociallily conservative. always had been and clearly views his role as a warrior in the culture wars. he is not the mike huckabee i think a lot of people perceive. i don't know that he's changed all that much. i think our perception of him is

now changing. >> which is maybe a sort of existentially terrifying idea. that everybody is sort of existing in this world on their own accord. senator rand paul pushed back on the trumpification. and this is what he said. >> i'm drawing the line about self immolation. >> none of us are going to set ourselves on fire. also the man who set the tax code on fire last week and attacked wit a chain saw. >> this is what you get. we're talking about this for no reason first of all. he succeeded. he just won the game. >> no trump has won the game. >> trump has won. >> huckabee. to the extent we're talking about something that makes no sense whatsoever and we ask the questions of the other candidates to respond to the ridiculousness of the first candidate and -- i'm sorry. >> rand paul -- nobody said rand

paul with which device would you destroy the u.s. tax code. that sort of appeared on rand paul, on a youtube channel of his. >> we created this environment where you have to stunt out the whole game. >> -- [ inaudible ] we have created it. >> we. we. because they want us to talk about it. that is what this is. >> well i think they also there are some people that like enjoy this. and that is why they are voicing their support for theorizese candidates. >> and the game has sort of for a long time being about the entertainment value of the campaigns for the media itself. when the campaign appeared boring there was a bit of a panic setting in particular applily in the belt way that there was going going a jeb bush and hillary clinton snooze fest. and a lot of time donald trump wants to dismiss a flirtation

that there weren't any real republicans that would like something like that. and yeah there are. and there's been alarm in the media side and there has been a desire to cast the bat and look for someone else to talk about. so it's not that har for other candidates to get in there and play this game that is like a reality show. and get attention. >> i wonder i mean is this going to be come symptomatic of american political messaging. every campaign season the refrain is throw your tv out the window if you live in a swing state. this is one way maybe people hold on to their tvs or laptops or wherever they are watching. >> i'm sort of with andrew in that i do think there is the line -- and look i'm as much a purveyor of this as anyone. the line between entertainment, media, politics sort of policy is blurred like it has never been before. that is not only because of what

candidates say and what we focus on. it is also because of the various things that are out there. vine, you know all the different ways content can be sent. and also and i struggle with we write a long piece about immigration policy for example. the thing that is most read is whatever kim kardashian said on the website. so the difficult things here is that we're now in a more consumer driven news and political world frankly where people can say i want this and not this. and vote with their clicks or eyeballs in your business. and trump gets eyeballs. i don't think anyone disagrees that donald trump has been a good thing for the news media. people are fascinated with him whether they like him or hate him. he is in some ways the second coming of sarah palin in that regard. no one didn't have an opinion about sarah palin. hillary clinton is similar. so is donald. like or hate you watch and look at them. and how we handle that remains

to be seen. >> if they are not just big things to the media. they are also big things to the republican party. there are three republican parties that these candidates are competing for me. the evangelical wing that mike huckabee has always been the guy. he and maybe two others like santorum specifically zeroed in on that piece. the establishment big money piece that jeb bushs and the chris christies are jeering in on. and then the archie bunker part and that is owned by donald trump. >> -- >> important character and icon of american television but also a symbol of the republican base that that is what they want and they like trump. the three wengdges of the party usually just get subsumed by the media in the end. and the media is waiting for the -- >> we all talk about the neftability that trump falls away.

>> we assume. >> and everybody is waiting for that tipping point. and we all think that this is just a lot of fun for now. the question is is there really going to be a tipping point. and if there isn't a tipping point, then the argument i made about this all being a side show. >> in terms of that chris christie trying saying saturday he will not offer anymore public comment on donald trump. and that lasted until monday when he took a question at town hall. today he told cnbc's john harwood that the donald's skills are not transferable to governing. this is what he said. >> you have to have some experience in actually difficulty of governing. if you disagree with someone you just can't fire them. >> so he's not. i'm not going to talk about trump but now i am. how do you manage this? >> but hold on. he effectively gets asked these questions. it is not like he decides just to make speeches about trump.

>> what is your advice then to someone like christie or. >> i would say i'm not going to answer the question. i'm just not doing it. >> can you do that? >> can you do that? >> i'm as amazed as anyone that i'm saying this. but the truth of the matter is chris christie would from getting in a fight with donald trump. he is punching up. you know, it is the same reason that people with 20 twitter followers attack alex wagner with however many. >> you are not getting anywhere. all you people attack me. >> basically everybody really except i think jeb bush scott walker and marco rubio are in a position where attacking trump is politically advantageous. i can't believe that is a fact. >> but you are saying it. >> it is a fact in a party where the previous media darling front runner was chris christie who makes youtube videos of himself

screaming at teachers. >> that is about how people get attention in the modern era. well certain people. >> and i don't know mccain is yelling people and telling them -- that was great. we're acting as if there is this rational part of the electorate that is any minute going to emerge. there are people who like donald trump and it's real. >> that is why he is where he's at in the polls. quickly. bloomberg says trump is worth a lot less than he says he is. actually 2.9 billion. not in excess of o 10 billion. do you think that matters at all? >> no. i don't think anybody cares. a, he's been saying whatever he wants for forever. and people -- he represents the american dream to some people. so i don't think the actual number. a couple of billion bucks. >> a billion here. a billion there. what's a couple billion dollars. >> between friends. >> i feel like pained you and i want you to take an alk settleltzerttle

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hey hey, ho ho planned parenthood has got to go. >> the time is now to take a stand. i want to stand with you for life. and we all need to stand together to end this atrocity. thank you. >> that was the scene at an anti planned parenthood rally outside the u.s. capitol today. one of dozens of antiabortion demonstrations across the country. these protests come as a third video was released today. the most graphic of its kind includes an interview with a woman who says she used to work with a company to partner with planned parenthood to collect fetal tissue. this video content is graphic and may be disturbing. we have edited the footage to show more of the video. >> i thought i was going to be just drawing blood, not

procuring tissue from aborted fetuses. the moment i took the tweezers i put them in a dish and i remember grabbing a leg and i said this is a leg. and the moment i picked it up i could just feel like death and pain. like i never felt that before like shoot up through my body. and i started to -- i blacked out basically. and i remember leaving that day like what have i got myself into? >> planned parenthood has denied any illegal activity and has criticized past videos as highly edited and out of context. congress has launched two separate investigation into to planned parenthood. joining me now is msnbc national reporter, president of dmos. and congresswoman. let's first talk about what's happening on the hill here. the senate could vote to defund

planned parenthood as early as this week. do you think the organization is serious ly seriously at risk of losing funding. >> i am concerned they may have violated laws in doing this kind of under cover investigation by setting up false companies, by using fake driver's licenses. all intended to stop planned parenthood from doing something absolutely legal and voluntary. and that is contributing fetal tissue for the purpose of doing research and to diseases like alzheimer's and diabetes. things that are inflicting so many americans. this is not an ill -- first of all the process alex let's remember we are talking about constitutionally protected abortions. we are talking about an organization, planned parenthood. 1 out of 5 american woman hasen has used the services of planned parenthood mostly not for abortions. and this is a company explicitly

set up to try and undermine this organization because they are an anti choice/anti abortion activist organization. which may be their privilege. but to do it in the kind of we think perhaps criminal way is not okay. >> is there momentum on the hill for a criminal investigation of the center for medical progress? >> well on the secretary, the attorney general in california has greedagreed to do an investigation. we have asked the attorney general of the united states to do one as well. they are studying the tapes. they have not let us know what they are going to do. but i'm sorry, this is something that is really set up to deprive women of a legal procedure. this is just an anti abortion group. and they call themselves the center for medical progress. really they want to take women backwards. >> iranaaron what effect do you think this is has on the state

level. >> one thick is planned parent had has been a target of state legislatures. they took funding away. no funding is going to abortions. it is going to cervical cancer screens and birth control. what they found is after they defunded planned parenthood the infrastructure -- i drove through these parts of texas where all of the health clinics shut down for lack of funding. the infrastructure was gutted because in a lot of places planned parenthood is the only health provider. this is already happening on the state level and on the federal level has ban favorite since 2011. >> and i want's working on the state level in terms of gutting finances and resources available for women to make reproductive choices. hearth heather, i think what we're seeing this week is the entry of abortion into the 2016 race in actually a big way.

marco rubio, ted cruz and rand paul are all running for president. they are all going to have to take a vote. >> they are all excited to take a vote on this. and in fact it is deeply misguided. it is deeply misguided because the services that planned parenthood provides are safe legal, necessary in terms of the reproductive care for as the congresswoman said 1 in 5 women. and then this practice is something that we probably couldn't have a highly functioning medical research system in this country without. they are directors of the national cancer institute and harvard university's own bio repository. there is no way that planned parenthood is in fact profiting off this. they are probably taking a loss in terms of reimbursement for tissue handling and transportation. so this is one of those issues where if there were actually a moment do an investigation of what -- an official investigation of how planned

parenthood finances this tissue donation, there would be nothing there. but right now we're seeing a vote tomorrow on defunding it for essentially nothing. >> congresswoman, it feels like the anti abortion movement is more organized than the movement to protect a woman's legal right to choose. do you agree with that? >> i really -- what i feel now is that young women have woken up especially because of attacks on contraception, understand what their stakes are. and what i see is a really energized offense now. i think this is a serious mistake on the part of the republicans politically. because i think women now are saying that we will not go back. you will not take away our rights. so rand paul and others may try. the republicans who are so out of step on so many issues may go along with it.

but i think that this is ultimately a loser for the republicans. >> yeah aaron, if you look at polling right now majority of americans still support planned parenthood and you talk about the defunding of the women's basic health services and that does not test well with women across the country. >> something i found really interest in all of these posturing happening is that republican leadership is holding back a little bit. so you really see the presidential candidates going whole hog on the videos talking about them particularly once were fundraising off of them. marco rubio and ted cruz are sending out e-mails saying help me defund planned parenthood by giving me money. when you look at john boehner's comments he said let's wait and see what the investigations hold. mitch mcconnell he didn't want this defunding bill. he said you have to do a

separate bill. so they have to get to a point where they would be shutting down the government to prevent women from getting healthcare services and politically you have to wonder if it is going to worth. >> attacking a woman's right to choose has been a electoral loser in the past few cycles. that is the question of the very crowded field and republican candidates wanting to give red meat to the base and it is not actually a winner for the general or country as a whole. >> chain sawing the u.s. tax code or defunding planned parenthood. when we come back prison worker joist mitchell admits to helping two inmates escape and to a whole lot more. plus the commander in chief had secret meetings with one of the american's comedians in chief. that is ahead.

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i think if i ran i could win. but i can't. >> i kind of see this as very high level trolling of far right republicans who think he's a muslim from africa who wants to be a king. here he is talking about a third king from a stage in africa. >> he's setting the stage for the dictatorship. softening the blow with laughter. yeah i think everything he does at this point is trolling republicans. but he's also trolling the african countries themselves that are having a hard time with this concept of turning over power. you have countries like the congo and the current president is the son of the previous president and may actually try to wiggle out of having to end, you know, after two terms. and where you have countries there where even when you get decent leadership they want to hang on. and i think he was really sending a message much more to the african nations in saying you need to really get with this modern concept of turning over power. but if there is a residual

opportunity to troll republicans in america while doing it. why not o. >> the fourth quarter thing is really neftevident in recent days. the smile. the state of the union he reminded the audience that he won. remember that? and he's kind of back in this like i am still the president. >> and today he probably would win. in the democratic party, he and hillary i think he wins that. the question is do republicans come out with some force they haven't before. and i i don't think so. so actually maybe he's -- you know, michael bloomburg did it. so let's watch out. you got to be careful. >> looking at his disapproval and approval ratings, his floor, 41% actually, the lowest he's ever gone on approval ratings is actually higher than the floor of the past eight presidents since kennedy. so he's actually, you know, there is a lot of conventional

wisdom about how unpopular this president is. >> let me say to anyone out there who thinks he is legitimatery running for a third time. he is not. speaking of running for president, in 2012 he was a contender but three years later the huffington post reports newt gingrich's campaign for president is still $4.6 million in debt. his biggest creditor is the charter jet service moby dick airways. i was wondering when i would say that again. moby dick airways to which he owes $1 million. >> who owns that? >> ahab. >> -- [inaudible]. >> couldn't some billionaire bail him out? this is the thing. campaign debt is a real thing and this of course heather underscores how costly it is to run for president.

but something about moby dick airways and newt gingrich's spending that seems to be in its own bucket. >> and. [ laughter ] there is a lot to be done to bring presidential campaign spending under control. and we'd have an added benefit if that would be a few million fewer favors that would have been owed to members of the donor class if we spent a little less money on presidential campaigns. >> isn't t it the fact that newton leroy gingrich. i like his middle name. he ran for the opportunity to sell more of his movies that he makes with his wife. more of his books and to ride on private jets. that is why people run now. the perks and the fun and excitement and money you can make. he got a media deal afterwards running for president. this is why we run. so when you have so much money available just from a couple of

donors and you have people willing to give their private planes that is why you have 78 people running for president because the perks are amazing. and you get the money back? maybe, maybe not. >> i would just like to see him try to settle that debt with expensive zoo tours. >> obama owes money too. >> 2.46 million dollars. >> and the question is how and when that going to be -- >> well the way they make the money back is they then sell all the lists of the donors. which are probably worth millions of dollars and use that to pay the debt. >> although gingrich has only earned 1 million from his list. house speaker john boehner has once again broken down into tears. this time in an interview with the golf channel. >> i wanted to make sure every kid had the same chance as i did. an opportunity. >> apparently kids and the

american dream get the speaker every darn time. >> making sure that these kids have a shot at the american dream, like i did. it's important. >> i can't -- i'm sorry. i almost -- >> unfair. cry at car commercials and -- >> so you are in the endearing camp. some part of me thinks it is actually endearing. >> part of me laugh bus part of me also wants to cry with him. >> i think -- i know heather where you are going on this. if you are talking about children and the american dream. >> i have thoughts about this. >> tell us. >> i think it would be some thing if a, it were about on the exact same queue at each point when he says this. >> you don't think it's legislate? >> i think it's real. >> i worry about john boehner. in all seriousness because he does seem to be at the brink of

a breakdown. >>he has a hard time controlling his emotions and this is not something he enjoys. he does not like publicly breaking down for example on the golf channel. but when it comes -- this is what i was saying heather, the opportunities presented for children to reach the american dream, one could say john boehner, you could be doing a little more. >> this is what i'm saying. i think it might be a little more genuine if in fact he had dedicated his life to the rights and opportunities of children. if he had introduced any bills that weren't anything other than tax cuts and special interests. >> but the tea party bullies him. >> he has an opportunity package for america's use that he has not been able to get to the floor as speaker of the house. >> it is emotional. i get a little fluttery. i don't know what it is. maybe i can't control my raging sense of empathy. but this is for your andrew. i've had dinner with you and seen you on your cell phone.

ikea is with a logged out place mat. it's fabric so thin you can still see the notification alerts. so what is the point? isn't that even more distracting? >> so you can pretend like you are not looking. like the people who put the phone upside down. but then they have to do this underneath to go look. >> is that what crow do? >> occasionally or down on the lap. >> that is not sneaky at all. >> but now i don't have one but the apple watch they have to go. >> right. >> now you can just pretend to get your dessert fork and fall into the pocket on your place mat. we just made it easier for everyone attached to their phone. you are welcome. thank you, and andrew stay with me. we have more place mat talk. >> i am. >> president obama and john stewart have shared a long relationship and a lot of

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you are also senior itselfitissenioritis what do you have like a year? you're on your way out. >> i can't believe you're leaving before me. in fact i'm issuing a new executive order. that johnn stewart cannot leave the show. >> that was his final interview with president obama. his seventh sit down on the show days ahead of stewart's retirement next week. but he's not just talking to the host on air. stewart was summoned twice to previously undisclosed meetings with president obama amid national crises. the late night host reportedly

traveled from new york to washington for an oval office coffee. he again went just moments before the president went on television to warn russia there would be costs to further military intervention in ukraine. stewart's take on those visits? it felt like being called into the principal's office. john stewart always says -- well always. he said i am not an activist. i am a comedian. but these meetings would seem to complicate that assessment. >> unless he was there to perform comedy for the president. >> loosen him up. >> i'm sure president obama speaks to many people about policy issues. i met with the president once. maybe i'm a secret advisor. and i think every president should have a political comedian as their advisor. i make myself available.

but what is wrong with. this he's a leader. he's an opinion maker john stewart. he the person we talk about when he talks about issues. so why wouldn't you want to have a discussion a conversation with a man like this when you have policy concerns. makes sense to me. >> speaks to our sort of the changing nature of the national landscape that cultural spokespeople have that kind of weight in terms of the national conversation. >> first of all, two things i have never been invited, secretly or otherwise. >> but you are so funny. >> not really. but let me just say this. i have no problem with him having the meetings. i think you should actually do that and it's good -- from a branding -- that's what needs to do. and probably more politicians should have been meeting with him. but should it be disclosed? should it be secret. >> it was on the ledger. and john stewart shook hands of tourists going through the white

house. >> but it was not on the president's schedule. and it's interesting, the budget fight and the aggression with ukraine. the budget fightky sort kyi can sort of get but in terms of foreign affairs. you have to wonder what exactly that conversation was. putin -- stewart later sort of took putin to task on another daily show. but what is the utility of john stewart weighing in on that. >> i think people don't know that john stewart is actually an expert on the ukraine -- no i think we're looking at two events as if there is a reason they happened at the same time. i think president obama invited john stewart. we don't know when the invitation went. we met with president obama myself and 15 other muslim leaders in february. there were right wing publications that looked at his words the next day. it was a connection to our meeting. nothing he said the next day it was a speech about get on your high horse and crusaders that we had impact. that didn't come up in our

meeting at all. but people make causation where there is none. we met with president obama the next day he criticizes christian crusaders. there's no connection to that. but you can put them if you want. to maybe this is stewartgate. the generation's new scandal. >> comedy is incredibly useful in pushing back against the other side. megan garber wrote a piece in the atlantic arguing comedians become intellectuals. and it may be redundant and ironic but also can push back against sexism and inequality in a way that plain speak cannot. >> so much he has done over the years that have had such a greater impact frankly than what so many journalists have done. i put him up there. in terms of his influence. i don't think he's a journalist but i do think his influence is huge. the question i have by the way about the meeting i agree with you. i imagine they are unrelated to

what he then talked about publicly at that time because that is the way life is. but i wonder the he campaigning jon stewart to do a bit on some issue or is he asking jon stewart for his advice on -- right. >> president obama actually has pretty good delivery. the white house correspondence dinners, he's often better than the comedian. actually someone who can deliver a line. his timing is pretty good and and that is something we had in the meeting with president obama. we actually brought it up your amazing delivery of jokes. and he says ss i know. he was being funny with us. but comedy has a way of cutting through the noise. reaches through to people. but you will watch president obama talking about obamacare. and that reaches people.

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