but at this point with these questions being raised about whether you can trust her, whether she talks straight, i think she'd just be better off saying it. look, she's almost certain to be the democratic nominee. and i certainly want her to win that election, but i think right now -- and bernie sanders, by the way, is a serious threat to her. i think right now she ought to just say what she thinks. >> bob shrum, thank you very much. that's "the ed show." "politics nation" with the reverend al sharpton starts right now. tonight on "politics nation," mike huckabee taking a page out of the donald trump playbook. guess what? it's working. also, president obama drops the mike with a big statement about what would happen if he was able to run again. and officials release new video showing sandra bland alive in jail. trying to debunk a major

conspiracy theory. welcome to "politics nation." we begin with mike huckabee using the donald trump playbook. step one in the playbook, say something outrageous like comparing the president's iran deal to the holocaust. and step two, never apologize. >> you're not backing down an inch? >> not at all. in fact, the response from jewish people has been overwhelmingly positive. the response from holocaust survivors, from the children of holocaust survivors. >> as president of the united states, would you use the words march the israelis to the door of the oven? >> yes, i would. let me tell you why, because i've been to auschwitz three times. i've stood at that very place. >> why would he back down? huckabee's offensive comments have gotten him three national tv interviews in less than 24 hours. and plenty of other candidates are backing him.

a top aide to trump himself says huckabee was right on the holocaust comments. rick santorum agrees. >> i don't know why, and frankly, i'm a little shocked that this is getting the kind of pushback that it is. >> ted cruz also defended huckabee. and he went on to accuse the president of, quote, gutter politics for criticizing him. we'll have to see if huckabee's strategy helps him in the polls. but he insists this had nothing to do with getting the spotlight off trump. >> answer the critics, governor, who say that you and some other republican candidates are doing and saying anything right now simply to be heard over the roar of donald trump. is there some truth to that? >> no, there's not. and i'll tell you why. if i was going to make noise about this, don't you think i'd have a better forum than a

weekend satellite radio show that i didn't even thing that many people would be listening to? >> joining me now, dana milbank. is governor huckabee trying to outtrump donald trump and can that even possibly be done? >> there's no way to trump trump, reverend. and it's not clear whether huckabee in his own mind things that that's what he's doing. but this is what needs to be done by all the guys in the race because donald trump has sucked all the attention out of the air. they're realizing the method to success in the republican primary, certainly the only way to break away from this pack of 16 is to say something outrageous. that's why you have ted cruz trying to disrupt the senate and calling mitch mcconnell a liar and lindsey graham performing all kinds of antics with a cell phone. the candidates all sort of feel like they need to be a little

more outrageous to get a little attention and get one of the important slots in the debate. what do you think? because clearly it's working for trump. he's surging in the polls. there's a new poll out now that has him in new hampshire at 24%, double that of jeb bush. i mean, do other candidates think if they can't beat him, join him? >> i wouldn't be surprised if other candidates are purposefully taking extra steps to get their share. they're trying to get on the debate stage on fox because from there with more debates and continued limits on the number of people on that stage, they might look to national polling again. it's not about the debate next thursday but about the next couple of months and continuing to get on the right stages. >> there's work for huckabee.

dana, will he go up in the polls? >> well, it's hard to say. when you're sitting there at 8% in the polls, well, if you jump up to 9%, is that really an increase here? i don't suspect this is going to mean he's going to out trump trump here. but it does get attention when this sort of thing occurs. there's this debate about when donald trump went after john mccain. would that finally bring him back to earth? and there was early evidence that it was. nope, here he is surging again in new hampshire. it would seem to be that there's only up side in the short-term in the republican party for being outrageous. >> isn't it a down side, shira, for the party and for the country? i mean, if we turn the primaries into like a wrestling match where the concerns of people -- i mean, we have real problems from climate change to the criminal justice system and where all this is lost in who

can make the most outrageous statement against the other? and then if you do become the nominee, how do you clean all this up and make people seriously think you can be the leader of the free world? >> yes, exactly. i wouldn't compare it to a wrestling match. i would call it what it is, a shouting match. shouting to get the most attention these guys can in the next week and in the subsequent weeks after that. so i don't think it's necessary -- i do think it will be a problem for many of them, for the person who does get the nomination in the end to clean up some of the stuff that they're saying really outlandish things right now. this country still -- this is a 50-50 country especially in presidential elections if there isn't a third party candidate running. coming down to it in 2016 every single vote will matter and there will be people, perhaps jews, who are turned off by mike huckabee's comments. >> and people just don't want bizarre behavior sitting up in the oval office.

dana, i'm no great supporter of jeb bush, but jeb bush is on the record criticizing huckabee's comment, but he went even further. i want to play this. >> we need men and women of good will forging consensus starting to solve problems kind of building back the muscles of consensus, compromise and solution finding to fix these things. and i'm going to be a candidate that actually proposes that. apparently that is dangerous in the republican primary, but it's what i believe. >> dangerous in the republican primary. could that get him in trouble even though people like me think it's the right thing? >> well, you know, the truth hurts, reverend. and jeb bush has said this before, you know, that you got to be willing to lose some primaries to win a general election. that's obviously true. you know, donald trump is not going to be the president of the united states. mike huckabee's not. ted cruz is not. jeb bush could be because he's a

serious viable candidate and he's protecting himself in that way. now, does he wind up making himself unelectable in iowa and in the new hampshire primaries by preserving his long-term longevity? that's entirely possible. but if a republican candidate doesn't do that, then he might as well have the hillary clinton coronation right now. >> but shira, could this kind of talk hurt jeb wush, fbush for s what he said, even though it hurt him in the general election, could it hurt him in the primary? >> i don't think so, rev and here's why. the field is so large. 16 candidates, 5 superconservatives, it is so vast in terms of policy as well in the republican party that it kind of lets jeb bush be jeb bush in a way mitt romney couldn't afford in 2012 in the primary necessarily. so i don't think it will damage him as much as some people say

because in many ways he can stake out his way with maybe some competition from other more mad rat republicans as well but in many ways gives him his own lane to ride to the primary. >> dana, a new bloomberg report says donald trump is worth a lot less than he says but still worth $2.9 billion. compare that to the 2012 election where the total spending for both president obama and mitt romney came to about 2.1 billion. he's got more money even when you deal with the down figures than they spent on the whole election last time. trump is worth more than the total of the 2012 campaign. can he stay in the race as long as he wants because he has that kind of money assuming he'll write big checks? >> right. he's not going to spend 2 billion on his own. he's not going to liquidate his assets. that's why people take him even remotely seriously, because you

buy elections now. and politics is all about how much money you have or how much money is being given to you by your friendly billionaires. so that's the only reason trump is being taken seriously and it's self-fulfilling. >> isn't that the contrast, though, shira, the democrats are debating income inequality and the lead candidate of the republicans were debating whether he has 10 billion or 2.9 billion? >> there's no question right now republicans are talking almost solely about donald trump at least until mike huckabee's comments today. we sent a reporter to cover hillary clinton's town hall this morning and most of her questions were about domestic issues. you go to the town halls in new hampshire and most of the questions for republicans are about foreign policy issue. there's a distinct difference between what the candidates from either party are talking about right now because that's what the party voters are asking them. >> dana milbank and shira

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a big day on the trail for hillary clinton. she held a town hall in new hampshire where she side stepped a question on whether she would support the controversial keystone pipeline expansion. >> this is president obama's decision, and i am not going to second guess him because i was in a position to set this in motion, and i do not think that would be the right thing to do. so i want to wait and see what he and secretary kerry decide. if it's undecided when i become president, i will answer your question. >> she was far more direct when she challenged senator mitch mcconnell's accusation that she's playing the gender card in her campaign. >> senator mitch mcconnell gave an interview when he said, oh, she's playing the gender card. well, let me tell you, if being

for equal pay for equal work is playing the gender card, deal me in. i am ready to play. >> and then there was this touching moment when a young boy asked her the most challenging question of the day. >> what do you think is the most important part of life like out of all the things in life? such as, health care, education and all that stuff. what do you think is the most important? >> what a great question. i think we have either a future philosophy or a theologian. actually, i think the most important thing in life is love. it also may be the hardest thing in life. i had a great friend, a woman

who was a research physician academic who was so feisty and fought for, you know, women's rights way back 40, 50 years ago. and toward the end of her life, i heard her say, i have loved and been loved and all the rest is background music. and to me, that really summed it up. >> great answer, secretary clinton. when we come back, the challenges hillary clinton is facing in her campaign. stay with us. i'm gonna crack like nobody's watching

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some faulty reporting about her in "the new york times." republicans went wild with that "times" story from last week that originally claimed investigators were seeking a criminal inquiry into her e-mail use. today the "times" published an ed t editor's note admitting the justice department said they weren't criminal referrals. and to say the reporting was, to put it mildly, a mess. but as that editor warned, you can't put stories like this back in the bottle. they ripple through the entire news system. and many republicans are ignoring the problems with the story to advance their talking points. >> now, let's not be fooled here. secretary clinton is a former senator, a former secretary of state. she knows exactly how classifying material works. at this point, the best thing

for mrs. clinton to do is to come clean and just turn the server over to the ig at the state department. >> one possible consequence of the gop attacks, we've seen her favorability take a serious hit this year while her unfavorable ratings are on the rise. joining me now is karen finney, a senior spokesperson for the clinton campaign. first of all, thank you for being here, karen. >> great to be with you, rev. >> are you worried that even faulty reporting on mrs. clinton is having an impact? >> you know, rev, let me just take a step back for a min and tell you, we're very concerned about what happened here. not only was it -- it was flat-out wrong and a very serious charge to suggest there was a criminal inquiry which turned out to be wrong and it took several days before we finally got the whole thing unraveled and the paper sort of started to make changes last week and over the weekend. and then early this week finally

admitted the wrongdoing. here's what i'd say. i think this whole issue is becoming very politicized. i think what we're seeing here, we've seen a pattern where information has been released and leaked, if you will, and then it's based on partial information, the next day more information comes out that actually disputes the initial information, then we find out the truth and then, you know, as the public editor said, then the first story is definitely still out there. so we have grave concerns about that, obviously, and the politicization that we're seeing out of gowdy's committee and i think you see that from john boehner just now. >> but does this have an impact? i mean, recent quinnipiac poll shows secretary clinton trailing gop rivals in key swing states. in colorado, scott walker has a nine-point lead over her. in iowa, marco rubio has eight-point lead. in virginia, jeb bush is leading

secretary clinton by three points. does this signal trouble, karen? >> you know, here's what i'd say. we've got a long way to go in this campaign and we're not yet at the point where you're seeing if she should be the nominee, hillary clinton, make a head-to-head argument with any of those candidates. we feel very confident by time we get to election day and we've made arguments on issues like voting rights, like immigration reform, like the economy, quite frankly, and the idea -- her idea that we need to increase people's incomes and jeb's idea and the others' idea that we need to let it trickle down some more. by the point we're making that argument voters will know that hillary clinton is the one we can trust. >> bloomberg writes that bernie sander, the underdog in the primaries, might be more of a problem for hillary clinton than anyone realizes. quoting halpert, based on how

things are shaping up so far, sander has the potential to adversely affect clinton in numerous ways echoing the underdogs that ran before, romney, bush and dukakis, not coincidentally all lost the white house. could a candidate like bernie sanders end up undermining secretary clinton's campaign? >> there's certainly no surprise that it's become more competitive and we always thought it was going to be competitive. that's something we said months ago, and a lot of folks thought we were kidding about that. so we're not surprised to see this. we're acknowledging that bernie sanders could win iowa, could win new hampshire. that's part of why she has to be out there. >> you think he could win iowa and new hampshire? >> some folks do. that's why from the beginning of this campaign as hillary clinton said we're not taking anything for granted. she's out there working hard on the trail every day. she was in new hampshire today, as you pointed out, to make sure voters know we're not taking anything for granted. >> you keep hearing the

undercurrent among some saying there's a trust factor. how do you confront that? i like her, but i don't know if i trust what she's saying? >> i think that's part of what a campaign is all about. you go out and you make your argument and you talk with voters about who you are and what you stand for, what you've done and what you would do. again at the end of the day, voters say can i trust this person to look out for me and my family to help us get ahead and stay ahead. who is going to be the person who i believe can deliver on that? that's the argument we're making and doing our campaign in our way and bernie's doing his in his way and the voters will obviously have their say. but we're confident that when it gets time to voting, voters will say hillary clinton is the person that i know i can trust to get the job done. >> karen finney, thank you for your time. going to be a long campaign. >> sure is. >> we'll be doing this a lot. >> thanks. coming up, new video of sandra bland alive in her jail cell while officials released it

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mike huckabee's running commentary on iran has been o outrageo outrageous. a steady stream of donald trump-style extremism. and now huckabee is ripping another page from the trump playbook. flip-flopping. trump has jumped far to the right acting like he never said things like this. >> hillary clinton i think is a terrific woman. i mean, i'm a little biased because i've known her for years. i just like her. i like her and i like her husband. i'm very pro choice. a liberal on health care. >> i'm pretty sure donald trump

wouldn't stand by any of those comments today. and i wonder if mike huckabee stands by this? in 2007 the former governor gave a speech where he called for engaging with iran. >> another way to contain iran is through diplomacy, while never taking the military option off the table. we haven't had diplomatic relationships with iran in almost 30 years, most of my entire adult life. and a lot of good it's done. before i look parents in the eye to explain why i would be putting their sons or daughter's life at risk in military action against iran, i would first want to know that we had faced face-to-face and done everything possible to avoid that conflict. >> so in 2007, huckabee was all for diplomacy with iran, but in 2015 he's calling president obama naive for negotiating and

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paperwork. bland was found hanging in her cell two weeks ago. the medical examiner ruled her death suicide by hanging and there are still investigations in progress but a family insists she would never kill herself. so what led investigators to release this much of video on tuesday afternoon? >> the rumors that sandra bland was in some way deceased or harmed or not well when she was brought into the waller county jail. >> now one of the rumors they wanted to put to rest, people's say bland's mug shot was taken after her death. seema, have you ever heard of this sort of thing, rumors leading to an arrest like this? >> absolutely not. however, it's clearly the fundamental reason why we're getting so much video and so much transparency that we normally wouldn't have happen. >> they said that, i mean, they went to great lengths to release

this video what does that suggest about the suspicion surrounding this case? >> sandra bland was a blogger, an activist against police brutality and she's dead in police custody. people thing something happened to her at the hands of the police. >> the arrest on the dash cam was very much over the line in many people's opinion. >> totally over the line with the arrest. >> i think we all agree that there was no basis for this stop. >> for her to be in jail. >> and no basis for the stop. because if there was a lawful basis for her to be stopped, then the police officer would have legality to take her out of the car. >> yes. >> and i think that that is what starts a lot of this is the initial act. how they end up with the investigation, she wouldn't have been in custody without the stop and without being incarcerated three days which clearly is way over the line when you're

talking about changing lanes without a turning signal. >> far over the line because you look at the video. sandra bland says give me my ticket so i can be on my way. but that officer, he was trying to provoke her. and that's what he did. put her cigarette out. when she didn't, he pulled her out of the car and started harassing her further. >> this is much more than sandra bland. this is waller county that is under suspicion. >> and it's all what's going on around the country. let's move to the next so-called road rage killing. the road rage killing in florida. two men driving with their families got emotional. after the dispute on the road. and both, both called 911 at almost exactly the same time thursday. >> some maniac has been following me trying to run me off the road. my gun is already out, it's cocked and locked. i'm going home. the gun's coming out. i'm going to put it in his head. >> the man with the gun, robert

doyle, drove to his house despite his wife's pleas to stop. >> don't take them to our house. the police substation's right up the street. >> there's never any cops there. >> gonzalez followed him to his house and a deputy says doyle started firing, killing gonzalez. >> stop, stop. i have 911 on the phone. >> he shot my husband. >> get in the truck and leave. >> but investigators say doyle would not let her leave. she say he held gonzalez's wife, daughter and grandchild at gunpoint until deputies arrived. doyle is charged with second degree murder and aggravated assault with a deadly weapon. he is out of jail on bond.

eric, how unusual is this to have 911 calls narrating both sides of an incident as it happened? >> i've never had anything like this. i've had a victim, i've had a person who may be a defendant, but never both narrating what both people are thinking and both people are saying in the cars. and this is going to be a tough case for self-defense in this one which we were talking before we came on, this will be a very tough case for self-defense. >> but that's because gonzalez's story falls apart that he is following doyle to the house to find out where he lives. if you want to report a driver for some type of activity, you get their license plate. now you have the wife and gonzalez who is story falls apart. >> the guy follows him with his wife, his daughter and his grandchild and the other guy kills him in front of his wife, daughter and grandchild. >> and holds them hostage. >> and holds them hostage.

>> goes to both of them being at fault. >> all while they have 911 live on the phone. >> yes. >> and children and wives. >> that's what makes it very rare. both are partially wrong. will be interesting if the jury finds it was self-defense. >> but is the standing ground doctrine in effect here? this is florida. >> he will raise it but the question is -- >> absolutely not. >> absolutely not, why? >> because the event stops. that exigency, that emergency stops when the cars stop. >> but he was at home, he was at home. >> no, no, no, no, no. >> if i think you're going to kill me -- >> he wasn't home, he was going home. >> but the actual shooting happened at his house. >> at his house. >> it happened at his house, but the emergency is removed when you have 911 on the phone. >> no, it wouldn't stop you from shooting if you're getting out of your car. >> there's no direct proof at that moment -- >> stop shooting if you have a gun. >> i think it removes the

immediacy and the emergency and exigency of that moment. i think they're separate acts. >> but isn't that why stand your ground is so controversial to people like me because you can claim it and not claim it -- i mean, theoretically, you two are the lawyers. he's at his house. he left wherever they were and the guy came to his house. >> the man came, brought the problem to him. that is what i see in this case. if you come to a person's house and threaten them, that is when stand your ground really -- >> what about gun custody. >> he's saying to the 911 operator that it's cocked and loaded. it shows deliberate intent. >> that someone is trying to kill me and i'm going to defend myself. >> not when you're cocking and locking. >> you're going to unload your gun if someone's trying to kill you? >> at that moment, there's no immediate threat. >> there's someone following you home. your heart would be racing, you'd be nervous.

>> let me call this court to order. eric guster, seema iyer, thank you for your time. >> thanks, rev. >> don't forget the catch seema on "the docket." still to come, how the first female coach in the history of the nfl is tackling stereotypes in sports. plus president obama says if he ran for office again, he would win. we'll look at it next. d can keed accessible anywhere. my drivers don't have time to fill out forms. tablets. keep them all digital. we're looking to double our deliveries. our fleet apps will find the fastest route. oh, and your boysenberyy apple scones smell about done. ahh, you're good. i like to bake. with at&t get up to $400 dollars in total savings on tools to manage your business. or building the best houses in town.

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>> i love my work. but under our constitution, i cannot run again. i can't run again. i actually think i'm a pretty good president. i think if i ran, i could win. but i can't. >> and a new poll indicates many americans agree he's a good president. 49% of americans approve of the way he's handling his job. strong numbers for a president in his seventh year. so maybe he could win a third term if the constitution allowed it. one thing's for sure, it would drive republicans absolutely crazy. but the president says he's not actually planning anything like that. >> i'll be honest with you, i'm looking forward to life after being president. i won't have such a big security detail all the time.

it mean is cs i can go take a wi can spend time with my family, i can find other ways to serve. i can visit africa more often. >> there won't be a third obama term, but will his legacy influence other presidents for generations to come? joining me now are plit strategist angela rye and contributor james peterson. thank you for being here. james, he may be joking, but could the president win a third term if he ran, if the constitution permitted it? >> if the constitution permitted it, yes, because the obama for america coalition is a very well organized machine. it represents a lot of different facets of american society. even though there are those folks who are disenchanted with the president or disappointed in him not achieving some of the progressive goals that he laid out at the initiation of his presidency, i think it's still pretty clear that he's popular amongst the american people.

what's great about that clip, rev, is that he's speaking to leadership across the continent of africa, to leaders who are not willing to -- >> -- people that day at some point need to move on. but angela, you're a political strategist. do you think the president could win a third term if it was permitted? >> well, i sure do. yes, we can still runs deep in the veins of many americans including my own. but i have to hearken back to hell no, you can't, from john boehner who is the speaker telling barack obama what his limitations would be. he's in line with the constitution on this one point. i think the other part of it makes this particular moment special to me. of course, james just mentioned where the president talked about this and the significance it has on the continent of africa, but the other part of this and we won't go into this too deeply is this trip is so historic because there are 18 members of the congressional black caucus who are also on that trip with the president. that's a very special moment for

lots of reasons but you never know what the president may have up his sleeve. there could be someone else from the obama camp. >> i just couldn't help but fantasize for just three seconds if you had president obama versus donald trump, the birther against the birthee. >> that would be great for tv. >> a more serious subject, though, he can't run for a third term, but he's counting on hillary clinton to carry his agenda forward or whoever the nominee is. i say hillary clinton. at this point she's presumed nominee, but you really don't know anymore. but politico writes to win in 2016, clinton must wrap her arms around the most successful democratic presidential candidate in recent history. and obama views clinton as the guarantor of his legacy. how important for the president's legacy is that a democrat win in 2016? >> i'm not sure that that's

essential to what president obama's legacy will ultimately be in terms of when the history books write about his presidency, there's so much more to write about in terms of what he's accomplished, who he is, what he embodies, that the history books will secure his presidency no matter what. the obama administration looks at the possibility of a clinton presidency as an extension of his presidency, but i don't think that's required. hillary clinton has a lot of work to do to sew up that obama coalition. we say of the obama coalition as if it's an easy thing. >> wouldn't he have a lot to be concerned about that if a republican got in, they would try to reverse many of the things that he has put in place? >> of course, and i think that's the biggest fear for not only progressives but democrats across the spectrum. a number of places where we agree, whether it's health care, even though the supreme court has sided with the president twice now, whether we're talking about a fair pay for women, for

people of color, there are a number of strides that have been made that, of course, secretary clinton had a part of making. so he is very vested in whoever the next democratic nominee will be. i think that he's been very clear that he wants to see that person win, not only to protect what his legacy goals and accomplishments have been but also to ensure that this nation continues down the path forward. >> because here's the point, james, and you're the academician. here the supreme court and with good reason. quote, by january 2017, three of the justices will be in their 80s. three of them. another will be 78. it would be strange if at least one or two didn't retire in the next president's term. the last three presidents each appointed two justices. if the next president gets that chance, no matter which party he or she comes from, it will

profoundly reflect the court's decision. now a different supreme court could also undo a lot of progressive poll sis like affirmative action, abortion rights and public sector unions are all cases the court could hear in the next term, james. >> that's true. i'm actually surprised that this supreme court issue has not been more center stage in terms of the run-up for this election. thing about that. think about the kinds of decisions that have been settled over the course of the obama administration's term through the supreme court. it's one of the key issues in this election that i don't think we're talking about yet. >> the last three presidents picked two. >> picked two. >> and angela, we're talking about voting rights, all of these things going in front of a court that only went 5-4 this way. if a right-wing president puts one more seat there, that's what scares me and drives me crazy when we're in trump land or

playing circus games. we're talking about rolling back everything that was achieved in the last 50 years since the civil rights and women rights and labor rights movement. >> yeah, rev, i think you're exactly right. as you know we're upon the 60th commemoration of the voting ryes act. we saw last year them completely gut the voting rights act. now members of congress have introduced a fix to that. we can't even hardly get that considered. it is so important that the court is reflecting the values of this country, protecting its citizens and that's a battle we will continue to face. it is going to be much worse if there's a conservative in the white house. and i think it's just absolutely why we have to continue to focus not only on what's been accomplished but how to preserve those things and continue to move forward. >> not only white house james peterson, i'm talking about you have cases coming up on affirmative action. row ver

roe versus wade. >> that's right. >> and all could be reversed. >> marriage equality could be reversed as well. unthinkable but even obama care, right? these are real serious -- i'm introduced as to why this is not center court in terms of our discussions about presidential politics right now. >> because it's side show distraction. >> that's right. >> angela rye and james peterson, thank you for your time tonight. >> thanks, rev. >> thank you, rev. coming up, the nfl's first female coach. and breaking down barriers in america. that's next. now it is. we're making hiring anyone from a handyman to a dog walker as simple as a few clicks. you don't have to be a member to buy their services directly at angieslist.com but members save more on special offers. angie's list is revolutionizing local service again. visit angieslist.com today. test drive this buick first. gonna i am test driving it. for 24 hours. where's the salesperson? at the dealership.

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be part of the bird game. i love the football family here with the arizona cardinals. today welter talked about how she hopes to inspire other young women. >> the hardest thing in our society right now, no offense, is the media. we show little girls all the time to be beautiful and to, you know, to do it all the wrong ways. i want little girls to grow up knowing that when they put their minds to something, when they work hard, that they can do anything, regardless of those things. >> becky hanlon of the nba also accomplished a first this year, becoming the first woman to coach a summer league team. and by the way, she won the championship. also making headlines this week, the boy scouts. on monday they ended their ban

on gay leader. it's been a huge turning point. and it's a decision that's long overdue. the president of the boy scouts talked about it in a video statement. >> for far too long this issue has divided and distracted us. now it's time to unite behind our shared belief and the extraordinary power of scouting to be a force for good in a community and in the lives of its youth members. >> a force for good in the community. the entire community. when barriers come down, whether it's your particular race or gender or sexual orientation or not, when barriers come down, it opens up america for everybody. and we all should celebrate barriers coming down because that means that those barriers cannot be used against us. let's keep bringing barriers

down. let's keep cheering people across the goal line of inclusion and expanding what the country ought to stand for for everyone, and it protects you as it protects all. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. trump doubling bush up in inspect fp. place your bets on who can stop him now. let's playhardball hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. well, the smart money says there's more to the donald trump wave than dumb showbiz. he's picked them well. a coterie of time servers who might look okay in a cabinet but fail to stir the stall. is this whys