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santa has already said there's going to be an independent review investigation of the ucpd. we have already said that reform obviously needs to be add to at least bring the uc police department in conformity with our collaborative agreement. clearly, nonnegotiable at this point. it's too early to say how that all ends up. obviously, our police department could do it. but regardless this isn't a unilateral decision. we are in partnership with uc and will work all these things out together. too early to tell. as santa told you, our police department is with the uc police department. our police department has enormous experience with situations like this. and i've asked and the uc has agreed to allow our folks to stand shoulder to shoulder today
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and over the next few days because certainly we have -- we know how to deal with a situation like this. >> i'm curious of we have asked, you know not only for demographic information on the police department. do you know the makeup of the officers, the number of them the age of officers also the ethnic and racial makeup of your staff? >> i don't have those at my fingertips but we comply with all public records requests. >> where does the city stand with body cameras? for city police. >> we have begun the necessary leg work to bring a body camera program here. we are -- we have already done the wear test and we have done all of the really heavy lifting. but we were reminded by the city manager and other that is we need to really make an understanding as to the long-term impact of data retrieval and the cost
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associated with storage and redaction. so we have got a lot of that done. we will have a body camera program here soon. he assures me of that. we are working of back end formalities. >> will this case help -- >> we have been listening to officials from the city of cincinnati of breaking news. a university police officer indicted in the killing of a driver. just turned himself in. the prosecutor calling this case nothing short of murder. let's start at the beginning with what you need to know. according to the initial police report, university officer ray tensing stopped 43-year-old samuel dubose july 19th driving without a license plate. after dubose failed to produce a driver's license, tensing, the officer says an altercation began and that he was dragged by the car. that initial report saying tensing also fired a single shot. but now we can tell you footage just released from the officer's
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university-issued body camera leaves many in the community skeptical of what officer's account. take a look at its entirety with the warning it's graphic in nature. >> okay. we are stopping around rice street just off of -- george lincoln north. 6917. how's it going, man? >> how's it going? >> good. university police. do you have your license? >> yeah. >> this your car? >> yeah. it comes back to a female. >> my wife. her name is cassandra lee. >> okay. you don't have a front license plate on the car. >> i just got -- >> what's that? >> this one right here. >> okay.
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>> that's actually -- that's got to go where the front plate is supposed to go. you dopt have to reach for it. it's okay. do you have your license on you? >> yeah. >> what's that bottle on the floor there? >> a bottle of -- >> a bottle of what? >> okay. do you have your license on you? okay. do you know where it is? >> it's at my -- >> okay. i'm going to ask you again. do you have your license on you? >> i do have a license. you can run my name. >> do you not have your license on you? i'm asking you a direct question. do you have your license on you? [ inaudible ] >> what did you pull me over for? >> again. the front tag. >> it is not inlegal in the city of cincinnati. >> actually it is. i'm going to ask you again. do you have a license on you?
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>> i have a license. you can run my name. >> okay. is that not on you then? >> i don't think i have it on me. >> be straight up with me. are you suspended? >> no. >> why don't you have your license on you? >> because -- i just don't. i'm sorry, sir. honestly. i'm going to the house. >> okay. where do you stay at? down here? >>. [ inaudible ] >> take your seat belt off. take your seat belt off. stop. stop! he's hit! >> shots. >> i did. [ inaudible ] i'm on it! huh! >> that police video which we
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just showed you is evidence for today's indictment. tensing is also now in custody. the prosecutor in the case says he has no doubt that what happened here was murder. >> this is without question a murder. i think he lost his temper because he wasn't -- you know, mr. dubose wouldn't get out of his car. i think he lost his temper and when you see this you will not believe how quickly he pulls his gun and shoots him in the head. it's maybe a second. it's incredible. he wasn't dealing with someone who was wanted for murder. okay? he was dealing with someone who didn't have a front license plate. i mean, this is -- in the vernacular vernacular, a pretty chicken crap stop. >> dubose just buried yesterday. with more than 500 people coming to honor him. his mother and attorney reacted to the new indictment. >> there have been some
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questions about how peaceful sam was and i think those questions have now been put to rest when you look at that video. there was this suggestion of whatever, dragging the officer the arrogance towards the officer, failure to comply whatever. i think anyone locked at that video understands that sam was who sam always has been. and that was peaceful. and nonaggressive. >> i just thank god that everything is being revealed. i knew that he loved hi child. i knew that this was not going to be uncovered. and i pray that everybody out there, all the soldiers who was out there marching with me for the justice for my son, i thank you and i hope that you continue to do this not just for my son but for many others. >> we go now to paul henderson,
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former prosecutor and legal analyst. you look at this today. this is brand new video, this incident was on july 19th. video seems to change everything. it is clearly the basis of that prosecutor's case. we just heard from. what do you think the video shows from a prosecution perspective? >> i think from a prosecution perspective it shows that a crime was committed and that's by the officer. i think in the bigger picture, we're once again having this conversation of looking at an encounter with law enforcement and an unarmed african-american man that highlights the conversation again about the subjective decisions that are made with law enforcement escalating confrontations and encounters. >> and specifically, on the video, the charges facing this officer are both murder and a lower charge of manslaughter. what do you see in the video that supports either charge?
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>> that's correct. what you see in the video that supports either of the charges is from the officer forethought of thinking about planning about seeing an individual that he is trying to get away or he thinks is trying to get away actively pulling out his gun and using deadly force and the reason that's relevant is the use of deadly force is limited to the scope of facts and circumstances where either the public is in danger or the officer is in danger and in this case in that split second where you see him acting so quickly and does not exist and we can't walk away from the fact it's encounter in the first place, we are talking about a traffic stop that ended in tragedy, that ended in a fatally where this officer used gun and the biggest issue i think is shown outside of that video is in the statements from the officer where he indicated that he was involved in a struggle and that clearly from the videotape is a lie and that's what we're evaluating and
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why prosecutors are acting so quickly in filing charges for both murder or involuntary manslaughter to hold the officer responsible. >> this happened a week ago, july 19th and seems officials a enthe uc police department responded pretty quickly here without any hesitation that this was, in fact murder. if you are defending dubose in this case what defense if any do you have given the fact that we have video now? he was wearing a camera. we can all see pretty much everything that happened in this moment. >> i mean, to defend that officer, the only defense that he's going to have is that he was in fear either of his life or for the public's life if he thought that the car was going to hit someone or get away. the problem he's going to face is that he has already told investigators that there was a struggle. there was no struggle. that was a lie. and so you're going to have to balance the potential of using that defense versus the lie
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already told to investigators and that's all going to be presented to a jury that clearly is going the see the same video we saw that prosecutors e value wait add enthe basis for bringing the charges in the first place. it's the compounded evaluation of all of these things and keep in mind once again we're talking about a diminimis encounter and interacting with the individual he shot in the head after that encounter. that's the problem he's going to face and that's why he's in custody now and facing the charges we see from the prosecutor. >> paul, when you look at this case among other cases, this seems to be a key component here that we -- that keeps coming up, the rules of engagement. i spent 20 years in the military and the rules of engagement critical components of any encounter and that's the graduated and proportionate
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response up to and including the lethal use of force. it seems to me here that this issue keeps on coming up time and time again. as a legal analyst, and as someone on the side of law, what are you looking at to determine what's graduated and what is proportion senate. >> i think it's a case by case analysis and the key issue in this case that's differentiated from the analysis that you were just presenting is the lie that was told to the investigators about this struggle that actually just did not exist. and in this officer's mind we don't know what was in his mind and we know that what told wasn't truthful and factual based on the video and bigger issue in terms of the conversations, how does this keep happening again and again in different parts of the country speaks to what the bigger need is for law enforcement in terms of how they're going to address and encounters with disenfranchised communities and i say that because i'm not just speaking about the african-american community. i'm talking about other communities that face encounters like this again and again and
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again and speaks to how the university was talking about what their need is in order to remedy the situation to prevent something like this from happening again because we keep seeing it happen. and so i think that's the real question that's highlighted by this one incident and in this tragedy but the real question is how do we move forward? how do we bring the law enforcement officers across the country to address this problem that keeps happening again and again and again and i think the answer to that is going to be found in in part by the leadership from the federal government and the 21st century policing, but also with the departments themselves. i think they need some really basic changes to address diversity in the ranks and training not just at the academy but the career of law enforcement officers and implicit bias training to make sure that as they're encountering with individuals
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from different communities that they don't keep having these escalations that lead to tragic results and fatalities this lead to the possibility of charges like this where individual officers are facing murder charges or involuntary murder charges. that's the tragedy and the situation. >> right. all right, paul please stick with us. we'll add in defense attorney kendall coffey former u.s. prosecutor and u.s. attorney. a question i had for you, what do you make of the tone of the prosecutor? what did that say to you, aggressive in terms of language calling it asinine act and chicken crap description of the shot. what did you make of that tone? >> it was remarkable and refreshing. he was very plain spoken. not just trmerms of being candid and very very direct but the every day language that anybody else would use. and that i'm sure is part of his nature and personality and also
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part of an important opportunity to communicate very clearly about this. not legalistic stuff and doctrines but what he saw was a murder. plain and simple p. that's how it came across. and i think that was very very positive thing for all of us is that the nation and the community in cincinnati is trying to understand this crime. this alleged crime. >> you know when you read a little bit more about dubose and the way that he is talked and, i mean praised in the past from other officers and people that he's worked with. you have the chief saying he's an intelligent, personable pleasant guy. i don't have anything bad to say about him and not a lot in the past to lead to something like this. going forward and has to try to defend himself here what does he have that he can work with at all? >> well he doesn't have a lot. because normally the objective from a defense standpoint is to
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find some missing pieces. parts of the video that weren't covered. and where they can say, for example, well, what you couldn't see inside the car is something that looked like a gun or whatever else the defense tries to suggest putting something together. what he will have to do -- what the defense lawyer will have to do is give you an interpretation of the video, suggest there are some things that weren't captured by the video, things that at least in the eyes and the views of this officer created some risk because you certainly can't use excessive force without serious bodily injury or death presented by the suspect. . >> all right. stay with us. we want to bring in former fbi executive director jim cavanaugh widening the scope on the big, breaking story. shawn, thinking about the current fbi director jim comey and recently gave a big address on race and spoke about the distrust that many communities
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of color do feel and that some of that is justified, careful to say some of it he feels is excessive, looking a this the video brand new breaking this afternoon and huge attention online and throughout the country pursuant to this indictment against the officer, what the video shows is that believing the officer in this case would have left you with the wrong version of events and yet without a body camera, you would never normally know that. that's a concern of activists and experts in this area. >> well, i think that's why we're hearing the public debate. for that reason. there's major changes i think in policing. certainly the community has come up and expressed their outrage about many of these incidents that we have seen. certainly, they're not all assassinations. this one we'll see what the officer says what may have been off camera and not seen. from what we can see on the video looks certainly to be
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unjustified. not all situations are like that. i think the body cameras show both sides of the story, both from the officer's perspective and from a subject or victim's perspective exactly what happened. embracing technology using technology i think will actually help everybody long term as we continue forward. >> we are now just getting in the mug shot of officer tensing as he is booked. now defendant tensing. gym cavanaugh, "the washington post" did a major study recently looking back over past ten years and they found that over thousands of officer-involved shootings, only 54 officers were actually charged with a crime. but i'm wondering as shawn was just pointing out there with the increased use of body cameras are we already seeing more officers charged with regards to these shootings? >> well i think that's going to be the trend, krystal.
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body cameras, which are great an i support them 1,000% they show off bad plising and bad cops and show off hero cops too. i wasn't long ago we saw an officer back pedal was in the midwest, as well back pedal on a guy that just committed a murder and advancing on the officer and suicide by cop and supposed to have a knife and the cop fell down and did not shoot the guy and kill the guy and arrested. so good cops will show up. good cops will show up. but the d.a. here got a solid murder case looking at that video. there's no reason for that officer to break leather here. as uniformed officer, stopped many cars many traffic situations. arrested guys with shotguns. shot at from moving cars. no reason for a taser. he didn't have a taser anyway and no reason for a taser. >> jim, speak to that because as people watch the video, some look and say, well this was an
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instant instant, a split second. could he have made a mistake? obviously the grand jury had to look for their lower standard of proof there at what they thought he was trying to do but what you seem to be saying walk us through protocol is he shouldn't have necessarily pulled his gun in the fis place in this interaction. >> right. if you watch the video closely, you see the officer's hand reach down and it grabs the door handle of mr. dubose's door and the officer is saying unhook your seat belt. what he is clearly trying to do is open the door and get him to exit the vehicle. what mr. dubose does is same time trying to start the vehicle. he's trying to start the ignition to drive away. and the officer, you know within a second draws his gun and -- all he had to do is step back and what his job to do is get on the radio and, you know get in the car and chase. >> i'm drilling this point because it's so crucial. what you're saying in law enforcement expertise is that even if this individual did
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start the ignition and did begin to drive away there is no legal authority in this instance based on what you can see to shoot him in the head for that. >> there's no reason to even break leather from your holster. you know we used to say he can't beat the motto ro la. he won't beat the radio. follow him. in this case ari, you know who the guy is. where's he going to go? he is not getting out of a plane to honduras. he is going home. he hasn't committed even a felony. if you flee and allude a misdemeanor, probably a suspended license. all traffic. all minor stuff. what we have to change in american policing is the thought that you can't let anyone ever get away. we sort of live this way with traffic chases years ago until the commanders got involved and said, no we're going to cut those things off because they're too dangerous and now so many police encounters where i
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couldn't let him get away. you don't have to -- he can get away. let him get away. officers got to be able to engage people physically sometimes. you have to get punched. you have to grab them. policing is a rough and tumble business without using excessive force and there has to be more and constant training on shoot/don't shoot scenarios all the time. you have to do it all the time. >> shawn henry, over the past years, we have seen too many of these types of incidents. talk to us about the impact that this has on police officers. whenever something like this happens, in terms of they think about doing their job, how this might impact them on the streets every day. >> i think it does impact police officers. look. police officers got on the force because they wanted to help protect society. there's a cause for them to come in and help on behalf of the community. and when there's an incident particularly like this it is a mark across many police officers. they see it take it personally.
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oftentimes. because they're constantly wrestling within the community to put forth that positive image and something like this mars that. the other piece is the concern that officers have and i think jim makes a great point. shoot/don't shoot. i have been in those situations where you have to go in and use your weapon. those things train you for these types of situations. to make chose split judgment decisions. i think if you get a situation where officers are sincerely questioning themselves because they haven't had adequate training, haven't been in the environment, they haven't faced the situations there's a potential for officers to be injured themselves because they second guess themselves rather than just you know we always used to say you play the way you practice and when you can respond and things are muscle memory been training that's valuable for officers so the shoot/don't shoot i think is very, very positive and a lot of this comes back to training. >> i want to bring in paul henderson, looking at the video,
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over two minutes long meaning there was a build-up and then the escalation of which it happened over a second was quite staggering when you look at that. clearly, there are procedures and protocols that need to be implemented across america in terms of how the police can best protect themselves in a prevention rather than cure type nature. how difficult, how difficult is it, paul to implement those policies pan america? i think we have lost paul there. i'd like to throw that question to kendall if we have still got kendall with us. >> certainly. i think that this particular example is especially mystifying because it doesn't seem to be some progression or provocations. it isn't like rising tempers led to this. something happened a couple seconds with minimal if any provocation whatsoever. but you do talk to a very very
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important point and as been discussed by your other guests the training that is in place by and large very good but clearly there are problems with shooting too quickly and not finding ways to deescalate situations and got to be part of emphasis more than before. other thing we know is that body cameras, without a body camera here there have been no case. may be a small consolation to the family of samuel dubose and at least there's a potential for justice and accountability this time. >> i want to thank kendall and jim, shawn and paul breaking this story with us. we'll continue to follow this news and keep you up to speed on it as the show continues. i love the jetta. but what about a deal? terry, stop! it's quite alright... ok, you know what? we want to make a deal with you. we're twins, so could you give us two for the price of one? come on, give us a deal. look at how old i am. do you come here often?
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commissioner roger goodell chose to uphold that four-game time-out against brady, the suspension for deflate-gate. the league maintains brady was generally aware of the game plan here. >> i want to apologize to the fans of the new england patriots and tom brady. i was wrong to put my faith in the league. given the facts, evidence and laws of science that underscore this entire situation, it is completely incomprehensible to me that the league continues to take steps to disparage one of its all-time great players. >> now, the play everybody's talking about the nfl claiming that tom brady destroyed the cell phone he used during the time in question. according to goodell's decision brady destroyed that phone on the very day that he was questioned by investigators.
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new york tabloids not surprisingly having a field day with this news and brady is playing defense on facebook telling fans and nonfans alike he quote, did nothing wrong. he also says he's been a team player working with investigators. so consider the next step over time or mixing up the sports or extra innings? brady will appeal the suspension to federal refs asking for an injunction but let's be clear. it is a hail mary without that injunction brady won't start a game until week five which would be the game of the week no doubt. it would be against indy and that original game of the week where deflate-gate blew up. we have the latest play by play by nfl analyst steve kornacki. i know you're in the room earlier today. what's the latest? >> yeah. well, as you say, look for people who want to defend tom brady on this, there wasn't much
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to give them in terms of what's come out. that's no dispute of brady and nfl the cell phone was destroyed basically on that day, march 6th, brady to meet with investigators looking into the l gagss. they say that's putting too nefarious spin on it. he said he destroys the old cell phones and just so happens to be the day that he was going to meet with investigators. obviously a very tough one to swallow. talking to sports fans here in new england, all but the die-hards tell you, yeah we think he was up to something here. but they also feel this is new england at least fans feel this is way out of proportion in terms of the league's response and feel it's a vendetta and you look at that statement of bob kraft, a defiant statement going after goodell, the league accusing them of vendetta and a message to exist here in new
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england, fans customers, to rally them around the team and a message to tom brady. he will be playing for the bulk of the season for the patriots and kraft wanted brady to know he has his back. >> all right. steve, stay with us. i want to bring in andrew brandt, the nfl business analyst. the reason this is such a big story is not just because it's tom brady but because we're talking about the patriots here. what does it mean for the nfl that you have roger goodell, long stood behind the patriots coming down like he is how significant is that? >> being a league executive all those years i was with the packers and we always looked at this paranoid yeah we all had of the league office. they favor certain teams over us. our pair know yeah in green bay is we didn't have an owner. patriots is one of them teams. they're a pair and close and they play to the edge and maybe over the edge and always that
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paranoia about them. this time it feels like this was something they needed to do. listen. it didn't start out of thin air. the colts, maybe the ravens and other teams, they're the ones that said hey, roger we have the deflated footballs. mabel it's happened before and we are in the this age of over investigation since the ray rice called on the carpet of under investigation and where we are today. >> steve the reports emerging that brady wants to go through the players' association to appeal the case at the federal court. for an injunction. when's he hoping to achieve by that? >> well he's hoping in the ideal scenario to get the injunction, place the season and gets heard by a court and the ruling of the nfl tossed out and tom brady get what is he would claim is a full exoneration. i think beyond that you're looking at -- i read it as a very, very long-term, long game play by tom brady not having as much to do with the immediate
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future but the long-term legacy as a player and looking at this and refused to give an inch and the damning pieces of evidence circumstantial bits of evidence destroying the cell phone and refused to concede an inch and basically saying here look you all think i'm a cheater but you have not one single hard piece of evidence that proves beyond a reasonable doubt i'm a cheater. i think the brady people saying here, for the foreseeable future, people assume he's a cheater. what they don't want is 50 years from now, 75 years from now when the history of the nfl is written, they don't want the record book saying that he sat because of cheating and brather the record book say brady had to sit because the nfl didn't like the way he conducted himself in an investigation. >> if you feel the nfl saying here and what this investigations showed tom brady was obstructing nfl justice here. destroyed his cell phone. lied to investigators. does this end up hurting any of
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his endorsement deals at all? it totally does change your image of him. >> before the endorsements i'm disappointed because we had the hearing a month ago, june 23rd. i wanted to hear what did tom brady come with? lawyers. nfl, p.a. you don't know this. if tom brady has something to say, tell me. maybe asking i'll reduce retract. show me something and just continues to be this defiance deny deny deny and attack the wells report which was all the science and i understand all that. but what are we hearing? two things one we never heard from those two jamocas, equipment goois with the scheme going on. they were not called as witnesses. they could have been someone to exonerate tom saying yeah he had no clue. didn't know about this. were not called as witnesses. >> interesting. >> no affirmative defense. that's what we wanted from brady. >> goes to the image problem,
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krystal, that tom brady kept digging a deeper and deeper hole for him. >> no explanation of what else could have possibly happened. andrew steve, thank you both. appreciate it. >> you got it. coming up breaking details on the reported death of that top taliban commander and right now the mother of "dark knight" shooter james holmes on if stand. we'll go live to colorado. that's next. welcome to fort green sheets. welcome to castle bravestorm. it's full of cool stuff, like my second in command...
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part of a last hour often very emotional saying that she still loves her son, that schizophrenia chose hip. he did not choose it. and saying that she didn't realize that in the months leading up to the shooting that his loudest cry for help was his silence. it was difficult for the holmes to get much out of their son of issues he was having in school a break-up with a girlfriend. they certainly did not realize that anything like this was going on and she said through tears she would have been on all fours to get from california here to denver had they any idea that he was having psychotic or homicide thoughts. they're going through the childhood as an effort to humanize him and to appeal to one of the things that the jury can look at as they consider whether to give james holmes the death penalty, that is mercy, the jury could begin deliberating next phase of the sentencing hearing as soon as tomorrow. guys? >> scott cohen, thank you. breaking news now in the war
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on terror. the afghan government confirms lon-time taliban leader mullah omar is dead and has been for years. nbc's kelly kobee yeah is here for us. he was on my intel reports a lot. his death is significant and come and has unintended consequences. taliban leaders have been defacting to join isis. we know that. fearing that omar was gone. his death, two components kept secret by the taliban to hold the militant group together and by the afghan government pursuing peace talks? >> reporter: well, there's a lot of speculation about that right now. those two very good questions and very few answers to them. now, if true if mullah omar is in fact, dead the question of course, why is it kept secret for two years? this news today came from the intelligence services the afghan intelligence services confirming that omar died in a
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hospital in karachi, pakistan in april of 2013. of hepatitis. he was of course one of the most wanted men in the world. recluse reclusive, rarely seen. the one-eyed leader of the taliban known for sheltering osama bin laden for refusing to turn him over to the u.s. after 9/11. the government has had a $10 million reward for information leading to his capture for years. today this afghan intelligence official told nbc news that the government came to the conclusion mullah omar was dead two years ago and didn't reveal it because it would not have been help to the peace process. now, we should note that nbc news cannot confirm that mullah omar is dead and there have been a lot of reports over the years of his death including the latest just in may of this year. guys? >> we'll have to wait and see. kelly in london thank you. next the trump effect. 2016 candidates looking for
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start the clock. the first republican debate is now just eight days away. krystal will be with a watch party in cleveland so make sure you don't miss that. since there's no breakout front-runner this time it seems the strategy for some is to say the most outlandish thing they
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can think of to steal the headlines. look how it paid off for governor mike huckabee. but wasn't it huckabee who just two months ago told the rnc, quote, the process not provide a media circus or entertainment to the masses? washington bureau chief add buzzfeed news and, john i think it is safe to say huckabee is a leading role in the media circus show he was criticizing a few weeksing. >> yeah. yeah. mike huckabee that is his jam, right? say one thing and then say another thing a couple days later. you know? he's -- i mean he has had a long history of these statements and shifting positions on iran and all sorts of things and not shocked. i think he a like a lot of other republicans in the field right now are feeling a little bit like no matter what they say,
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even very serious and issues and stub instantive parts of the debate no one's paying attention and only thing breaking through is donald trump. >> yet the debates themselves may pivot that a lot. the republican party was frustrated about the past debates and has made changes both not only in the number but also in partnering with conservative media on many of these debates along with the traditional television sponsors. i wonder if on a day like today and covering the other big story the indictment in that shooting of sam dubose whether you think that at these debates, these republicans will be pushed more on the policing issues that have been in the news so much it is not something that republicans often run on and yet if you're president it seems to be something that this president has had to deal with reactively a lot. >> well i think if you're rand
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paul, you're hoping he is and he is one of a handful of republicans in the senate taking on criminal justice issues and other guys more difficult for them. i think depending on how donald trump acts at this thing, i hate to say that but it's true if he does substantial talking points and real policies he talks about it could change the debate. the first question asked if he's got something real to say an instead of a real sort of bombastic crazy character he normally does and says here's policy positions i have that could change the questions they ask, change how the other candidates react to him and how they want to try to position themselves suddenly so it's really all sort of down to him right now. >> yeah. you mentioned rand paul. i remember that guy. wasn't he running for path? >> yeah. sort of fallen off the map. >> top tier of the candidates right? >> yeah. again, i think he was sort of banging on the idea of momentum
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coming out of last year with some of his successes with legislation and then sort of making big issues out of the nsa stuff. you know? he was supposed to have the backing of mitch mcconnell but then he was but then, you know, he got into a fight with mcconnell earlier this year where mcconnell essentially distanced himself from him. he's not really good at playing sort of this carnival barker kind of thing and that is not his world. and you know it seems like when you watch him, like he doesn't really much like the process of running for president, which is hurting him. and he's pretty much fallen off the map to a certain degree. >> can't exactly blame him for that. >> it's been different than many expected so far. i think many candidates have just thrown out the playbook at this point. john thank you for being with us. we appreciate it. >> good to be here. >> up next. why thousands are calling congress today asking them to get something done. and it could get them beyonce tickets. what?
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mark your calendars more for september 26th in central park beyonce, pearl jam, ed sheeran and coldplay. in partnership with a global party project. broadcasted here and across our digital platforms and today july 29th is an official day of action. and you have a chance to change the world and earn tickets in the process. a brand new journey where simple things like tweeting and e-mailing can put you in the running. crystal and i will show you how in a few minutes but first the
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global poverty project wants you do pick up the phone and call congress. the mission? ask lawmakers to support the global food security act. a bipartisan bill -- yeah you heard that right, bipartisan. with proposals to give people around the world access to nutritious food. joined now from capitol hill thank you for being us with us. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> good to be with you. >> the basics here. why is this so important to you and why has not not got an vote yet? >> first the bill is moving through the committee process. feed the future is important. because the united states has a three-headed or three-prong national security strategy. diplomacy, defense and development. and feeding the future just like water for the world or the aids relief program are absolutely essential to provide
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food stability and health to the world. it is in our nation's interest to help stabilize many of these countries so they don't deteriorate and become breeding grounds for radicalization or other bad actors. so it is one, we're helping people feed themselves. that is most important. but also there are important political and strategic interests why we should be in gajd. >> we are excited this is a bipartisan effort. what is it about this initiative that has brought members together from both sides. >> this is a security issue, both from a perspective of national security and the security of the world. when folks don't have enough to eat over time they don't grow and develop and they also can turn to -- can go down the wrong path. but it is also the basic concern i think we have as americans. we're kind of summoned by our conscience to do something. especially when it comes to children. we point out in the bill in the
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preliminary findings of the bill that across the world when you are talking about chronic malnutrition over 160 million children suffer from that. and we can't abide that. fortunately the feed the future initiative by the administration has really done very good work helped millions of people and also helped farmers to develop the kind of strategies they need to grow food. but this bill would move that forward. >> you mentioned farmers. congressman dent why is it important to have support for women farmers that's in that bill? >> women are the primary breadwinners in many of these families. and also by providing for food in the way we're doing this we're trying to help stabilize and develop the local economies. i have to tell you, part of our food aid program in the u.s. is disjointed. we buy food from american farmers and send it over to africa. and we often disrupt local
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economies. this is a different approach. we're trying to work with the farmers, particularly women and help them develop their own food and help them sell that food within not only field themselves but also help them make money without disrupting the local economy. >> senator casey, i've drank tea in afghanistan. i've road camels in egypt and also visited remote tribes in colombia. what does it mean to be a global citizen? >> i think it means you are engaged in the challenges across the world. especially if you are a member of congress. we have an abiding obligation to do not only what we can for the world but also make sure we start here at home. now because of the wonders of technology we are able to communicate around the world in seconds or minutes. so these problems i think come to us more readily and are more -- maybe more apparent than they used to be. >> senator bob casey.
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congressman charlie dent. thank you for being with us. and on this day of action you can do your part by heading to the global citizen website and taking the action journey. crystal and i got a special tutorial. >> the first thing we need you to do is go in and sign up. from the home page go to the advertisement. right to our global citizen festival. scroll down to earn your free tickets and then take action journey one. >> to see the full video and learn how you can take action journey one or two, msnbc.com/global citizen. "now" with alex wagner starts right now. an ohio police officer is charged with murder for shooting a man at a traffic stop. tom brady denies any wrong doing in deflategate and vows to go to court and the parade of republicans running for
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president just got a little longer. >> a ruler loved by millions with a powerful army and the right family name. >> good luck finding him. ♪ >> a change in the republican debate rules means more candidates will get a chance to be heard on debate day. >> i'm by far number one. so i'm going to be there. >> you really think that crime gives you power? >> everybody else is sort of chasing trump. >> i tweeted that rick perry should have to have an iq test before the debate stage. >> the most to lose in the debate, i think it is a jump ball between marco rubio, ted cruz. >> when you are running for president all is fair in love and war. this is war. >> i think he's a very good guy huckabee by the way. >> aisle swim many my line. he can swim in his. >> if my message isn't getting