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samuel dubose shot by ray tensing in a traffic stop on july 19 outside university grounds. tensing was indicted on a murder charge wednesday and fired from the university police force. he told police he fired balls he was in fear for his life. he is currently out on bond. county prosecutors say a grand jury has declined to bring charges against the two other officers who were at the scene of the shooting. msnbc sarah is in cincinnati for us with a good morning to you. what's the latest from there? >> reporter: good morning. let's start with the grand jury declining to bring charges against these two officers. we know that the charge they were asked to consider was obstruction of justice. in the incident report and comments caught on body camera video initially it appears one of the officers supports ray tensing's claim he was being dragged by sam dubose's car when

he fired that shot. when it came time for the sworn statements and the grand jury testimony neither of those officers testified that they actually saw and witnessed that. the prosecutor commended the grand jury for their decision said it was the right decision and says he believed that both of these officers were being truthful. the police union has filed a grievance on behalf of officer tensing asking for his job back saying he was denied a predisciplinary hearing before he was fired saying indictment is not a conviction. they are also asking if he is given hills job back that he be also given back pay and his benefits as well. you talk about this vigil last night. this quas a continuation of some demonstrations that we've seen all week several hundred people at different nights coming together to rally for justice, to remember sam dubose and these have been peaceful demonstrations in keeping with the family's request, they say sam dubose was a peaceful person.

that is what they want his legacy to be one of change of civil rights and not one of violence. >> okay sarah, in terms of defense strategy for this indicted officer, are lawyers saying anything about that where they are going to go with this? >> reporter: they are. we were able to speak to his attorney who says his defense will be self defense. he willble maintaining that he was being dragged by this car, that his hand was stuck in the car and he was being dragged and he was forced to fire to defend himself. his next hearing is august 19 that's more after roll call hearing to lay out or what is to come of the trial. but expect to hear a lot more from his attorneys and the prosecutor, both are being forthcoming and talking to the media rather openly how they see this case proceeding. >> okay. sarah, thank you. the family of samuel duubose has hired mark o'meara. as you may remember he

represented george zimmerman in the death of trayvon martin. explaining why the dubose family would come to him for representation. >> the day before i represented george zimmerman someone looked at that they would applaud the work i've done generally and on behalf of young black males. there is no question i understand that i have been and forever more probably will be tied as the lawyer who represented the guy who shot trayvon. i know and the family knew when they came to me i carried that baggage with me and i obviously have gotten tweets and response on social media questioning why they would come to me. all i can say is i'm going to do my very best and that same ethic that i brought to the zim earlyman defense i'm going to bring to sam and his family. >> and right now former officer ray tensing is free on $1 million bail awaiting trial for murder in that shooting death of samuel dubose. the prospect of seeing more

drones in the skies may be troubling in light of a close encounter yesterday at one of the very worst times, tom costello reports on the drone's frightening flight into a danger zone. >> reporter: it's happened again in the nation's busiest air space, this time new york's jfk airport. delta flight 407 arriving from orlando was preparing to land when it suddenly had a very close quaul an unmanned drone just 1700 feet in the air. >> about a mile back there was a drone flying on the southwest side of the airport here. >> what altitude would you say that was? >> i would say about 100 feet below us just off the right wing. >> 100 feet below an aircraft is considered a very close call. normal separation between an aircraft should be at least 1,000 feet. the tower quickly notified other pilots. >> the one ahead of you reported

a drone so you might see that. >> the kernel a drone could cause a serious athlete an inbound plane potentially striking the windshield or getting sucked into the engine. >> the thing we are most concerned about is avoiding conflicts with other aircraft. particularly in congested air space such as around new york. >> and that was tom costello. the faa notes that what happened yesterday is becoming far too common with several reports of close calls involving drones every day. other news now. in baltimore, july was the deadliest month in more than four decades. 45 people were killed. july's total surpassed the 42 homicides in may and tied the previous record from august of 1972. officials say that violence has surged since the april 19 death of freddie gray. gray died in police custody, six officers have been charged and are scheduled for trial in october. baltimore's mayor fired the police commissioner in early

july. secretary of state john kerry is on his way to the middle east he will hold security talks in egypt and discussions in qatar. he will address concerns with the nuclear deal struck with iran. his schedule does not include a stop in israel. officials reject suggestions that the obama administration has given up trying to convince israeli leaders of the merits of the deal. >> athletes training for 2016 games continue to swim in the waters of rio de janeiro, this despite government warnings that the water is unsafe based on results of a test conducted monday. the environmental agency said the waters have been deemed unfit ten previous time this is year and some are taking measures to make sure they don't get sick. others don't seem concerned. >> i think as an athlete you can do what you can to limitp problems. you can, if you get ill from swallowing water during the race it's not an issue you're ill after the race. what you try to minimize is illness during the race.

>> more than 150 athletes will compete in a qualifier later today. teams gathered on the sand and they said that the international triathlon assured the water was safe. another hot day, a heat wave continues to grip much of this country. portland, oregon saw a high of 103. the heat is expected to last for days. in phoenix, a dust storm, look at chopper pictures which show that storm on the move. clusters of showers kicking up the dust and sending it north. the area has seen several of these storms. and now there's hurricane guillermo spinning in the general direction of hawaii. it's too early if this is going to have impact but reynolds wolf is here with more including the storms in the midwest and florida. good morning to you, reynolds. >> alex let's look at the forecast, what we can expect not just this weekend but into next week. we've got this thing to deal with. that thing that area of low

pressure, that boundary is going to move west to east and when it does we can expect scattered showers, storms. rain could be heavy. we'll see increase in moisture especially across of the ohio valley. we've got this strong upper winds going to provide a great deal of energy big catalyst to drive some of the showers and storms and the best chance storms to deal with the corn belt. take a look at this. from minneapolis to davenport, des moines action even sioux city severe storms may pop up. the best chance by mid to late afternoon. by tomorrow we see that system begin to push more into the central and western great lakes. even ft. wayne, yeah you're going to hold down the fort. moisture continues for parts of florida. i know you might want a break, not going to happen. we have a cold front that's going to drop to the stout and stall so some drier times in parts of the tennessee valley. for parts of the i-10 corridor showers and storms.

>> thank you so much reynolds. joining me from new york central park with more on this heat swaef kristen dahlgren. so didn't seem too bad coming into work. how is it now? >> reporter: you know, it's a little bit drier air today, so it's not going to feel quite as bad in the east as it has. but it's already 76 degrees out here. they are getting ready for a race here in central park. we have a lot of your joggers and cyclists out but they have to get the workouts in early because it's headed near 9 who today. at new york's coney island renoldo is joining the kids to keep cool. >> go right back. >> the fountain or the waves the best way to beat the heat. for humans and their pets. >> bring him here and i put them in the water to keep them cool. regulates their body temperature. >> temperatures on the east coast expected to stay near 90 for the next few days.

while out west the mercury is soaring over the century mark. portland oregon seeing its highest temperature since 2009. >> i get my apron, i soak it in water and i wear it wet. >> seattle has seen the most 90-degree days it has ever seen in a year. >> then we got the ice cream sandwich. >> beaches are setting tourism records. >> that feels better already. >> reporter: but the heat in tinder dry conditions are also fueling dangerous wild fires. dozens of them now burning across the west. scientists say california's drought is so bad the state is deficient an entire year's worth of rain. and there is the another danger under the relentless beating sun -- cars quickly turning into ovens with children forgotten inside. this video shows ta new jersey police officer busting into a car to stave a 2-year-old left

in the back. >> she could have died. >> the child is okay but the mother is charged with child endangerment. a harsh reminder just how serious this summer heat can be. >> so it all comes with warnings from authorities, you might think we don't have to say it but clearly they do. please check your cars make sure you haven't left your child inside. also check on your neighbors especially the elderly and stay hydrated if the you're going to be outside. that heat stroke can be a killer. >> absolutely. i'm shaking my head at the prospectch another child having been left in a car. okay. thank you so much. the journey for justice, a new 860-mile march is getting under way starting in selma, alabama and heads to washington, d.c. we're going to hear from william -- cornell williams brooks, about what marchers theep achieve.

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just a few hours a2 the airplane fragments suspected to be from missing malaysian flight mh-370 arrived in france. the wing fragment discovered this week in the indian ocean is confirmed to be from a boeing 777, the same type as mh-370. joining me from reunion is bill neely. with a welcome to you, you have been out on the beaches with the police and volunteers out looking for the debris. do they expect to find more? >> reporter: good morning, alex. they are optimistic here. both the police and certainly

the islanders, experts and oceanographers are a little more cautious. they say because one large piece of debris floated onto the shore it doesn't mean that dozens of others are going to follow that is not the way the ocean currents work. they are optimistic they can help solve this great mystery and even find more debris. that big piece of aircraft debris that has been found is now in france. it will be examined by french aviation experts who are hoping to unlock its secrets. they packed it carefully, every square inch of the wing flap may be vital in answering what happened to malaysia 370. the debris has now arrived in france to be analyzed at a special lab. they are searching for more debris. locals are making discoveries, finding pieces of plastic, taken in by police as evidence.

the man who found the aircraft part and a battered suit case here, found water bottles from china and indonesia half of the passengers were chinese. >> i hope to find a lot more debris he says to help solve this mystery. but there is a problem. >> the truth is there is every kind of junk on this beach, something that look likes a machine part this as well this is a rubber ring from something, it could have fallen off a ship off an aircraft off anything. investigators look for debris by air, too. we joined the search along a coast where finding anything more could be tough. there wes 120 miles of coastline to search on this island alone. on a nearby island it's more than 3,000 miles and there are two dozen islands in the general area that they'd have to search. so all eyes on the debris they found and what it might tell us.

>> we wait for the result of whether it belong to 777 or to ms 370, i think that yet to be verified. >> these are extraordinary times on the normally sleepy tourist island, a volcano erupting just miles from where the islanders are trying to unlock the mystery of a missing plane. are. >> reporter: and experts from malaysia have arrived to help but spare a thought, for the relatives of those on board mh-370, really waiting for confirmation that their loved ones died in this ocean, yet not knowing exactly how or why. back to you. >> for well over a year that kind of agony. thank you so much bill neely. hillary clinton is calling out jeb bush for racial issues

and health care. this in florida yesterday. joining me is justice correspondent pete williams. on top of all of this she made revelations. p >> all this, too, as the republican candidates prepare for their first debate she is calling for opening trade with cuba and she's releasing the details of her health and the health of her personal finances. in florida, the state with the strongest ties to cuba hillary clinton called for an tend to the northwest year-old ban on trade. >> we must decide between engagement and embargo. between embracing fresh thinking and returning to cold war deadlock. >> such a position once would have been poison but a new pew survey finds 72% nationwide favor ending the embargo including 59% of republicans. with donald trump center stage, secretary clinton knows the republican party is struggling

on immigration. she thinks she will be fine. >> donald trump will be center stage. lester holt asked jeb bush if he thought trump would do so well in the polls. >> i was surprised that donald trump has surged. i think he's captured the deep frustration that people feel. i get that. i get the lack of rule of law, the sanctuary cities the open borders. >> reporter: clinton took a shot at bush as both spoke. he has said all americans have a right to rise to social progress. >> i don't think you can creditably say that everyone has a right to rise and then say you're for phasing out medicare or for repealing obamacare. people can't rise if they can't afford health care. >> reporter: on the subject of her finances a recurring question for both clintons she also released their tax returns since 2007 the clintons earned $140 million, they paid almost $44 million in federal taxes,

and $14 million in state and local taxings, combined tax rate of 45.8%, they contributed nearly $15 million to charity. she's also the first candidate this year to issue a report on her health. it's a letter from her doctor who says her physical condition is excellent. >> clearly erasing lingering doubt over that. thank you so much. for more on the state department's latest release of hillary clinton's e-mails i'm joined by political reporter for "the washington post." good morning to you. so not too many insights into policy discussions but i want to talk about the first two rounds of releases many redactions sensitive information presumably. what are the highlights from this latest batch? >> frankly there aren't a lot of highlights. one of the things that i think is probably challenging to the clinton campaign is by

separating these out in multiple batches it gives time to sit and grow through them and sift out anything which might be even partly interesting. i think the thing everyone seized on being the most interesting is the fact she asked about a book how to e-mail better which has irony to it. revelations about her time as secretary of state and we've seen there's a lot of people who are trying to get jobs for friends or telling her what a great job she's doing. more e-mails from sidney blumenthal i think is going to play into the narrative. there is not a lot people can seize upon about the job she did or being somehow making so it she's not going to be a good candidate for president. there is not a lot of that groundbreaking stuff. >> all of the talk about transparency issues around not putting e-mails out in the first place, the fact she puts out her tax returns, you think that will soften that t criticism. [ >> not in the least.

were i think everyone admits that a lot of the criticism around how hillary clinton is operating is based solely on the fact a lot of people don't want her to be president. the fact that there are redactions in these, the fact that she is the one who turned over the e-mails and the state department didn't have control, for any one who wants to see they are going to be able to see a conspiracy. released tax returns which jeb bush has done which others are expected to do that is not going to soften the allegation she is being secretive in what she's doing. >> let's switch gears a bit. as hillary clinton was one of the three democratic candidates speaking yesterday. ben carson and jeb bush also. you wrote that the democrats dependence on the black vote could turn out to be an opportunity for republicans to capture some of these votes. so can you explain that? >> sure. the difference between republicans and democrats in the national campaigns is typically very, very thin. the democratic party is more and more heavily depen dent on black

vote to make up black votes over all. the gop see that if they can peel away a couple of percentage points of the black vote particularly in 2016 that it may be a chance for them to win some states. that is the true the question is whether they will do it. the back and forth between clinton and bush at the urban league reveals one of the challenges is that the republicans not able to put together a good message that appeals to a large section of black voters so farther of the goal is trying to get a smaller section of that. >> the first gop debate thursday, lots of candidates lindsey graham trying to hit the campaign trail trying to get on the podium with the top 10. the latest poll donald trump atop by 20% on the stage for sure. how much pressure is on him to core form? considering his popularity. >> honestly i think zero.

he says whatever and it works out great. there has been no fresh on thyme constrain what he is doing. he said things if any one said them they would be out of the running. i don't think there is pressure on him. it's tough for his challengers and this has been a lot written but for the people on the stage with him. he's going to say something which is going to aggravate them. great television no question. >> always good to talk with you. thanks so much. still ahead talking all things money including a house from the hit series "breaking bad" that's up for sale. leave early go roam sleep in sleep out star gaze dream big wander more care less beat sunrise

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we're going to begin figuring it out. what do the latest reports tell us about the economy? >> wages, really stifled. only increasing .2% to put that in perspective the lowest quarterly increase in 33 years. bringing the annual rate to 2%. what happens there, alex it gets hard to get ahead unless you have the skill set and stomach to job hop, 2% wage growth year over year only gets you so far. that's weighing on consumer sentiment and confidence. gdp not that great. overall not so good numbers. >> so then what's the wage price spiral as it relates to fast food? >> purdue university took a look at the minimummnimum wage discussion. they said what would happen if you paid fast food workers $15. what would be the effect on prices be? they found and market watch did reporting but if you take a big

mac, it's going to go up 4% so that make as 3.99 burger suddenly it's 4.16. if you increase the wages to $22, then you have a 25% increase across the board so substantial. what it didn't do and this is what they were trying to see if there was a cause and effect here, is help turnover. which is a huge issue in the fast food industry. 93% turnover. each person it's a $1500 onboarding process f. they can find the magic wage number that affects that number there, then you might see wages go up. >> makes sense. what is this breaking news from albuquerque? >> well, breaking bad, the television series, one of the homes feature there had spanish style, quite lovely in the popular series jesse bought it for $400,000. you'll have to pay $1.6 million in real life if you want to get your hands on it. they are doing a cute marketing job. there is a breaking bad

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it's good to see you. in the past few weeks we have seen the arrest the death of sandra bland in texas, samuel dubose. what goes through your mind when you learn of incidents such as these? >> when i think about both miss bland and mr. dubose i think about a series of seemingly unrelenting stream of civil rights and police misconduct tragedies. instance where routine interactions between police officers and citizens lead to tragic senseless repulsive deaths. in the midst of these we understand that there's something that can be done. we know what works. we understand the best practices, so as a consequence the naacp with this dazzlingly diverse array of partners is marching from this historic iconic bridge in selma, alabama, to washington, d.c. from the home of the voting

rights act to the birthplace of our democracy or the seat of our government washington, d.c. a span of 860 miles, over the course of 40-plus days and nights under the theme, our lives, our votes, our jobs and our schools matter. we're doing this because we believe. that we can bring about fundamental reform. be clear. unless we put boots on the ground we can't have laws on the books. it's not enough to wring our hands, shed tears. we have to bring young people older people into the streets and put this issue, these series of issues before the american public and bring about the reform that we know that we know is possible. >> the black lives matter movement, some have said this is the start of a new movement in civil rights and the call for justice. houf do you see this? is this a turning point? >> absolutely.

if you have a mobile device you have access to newspapers or magazines, watch television listen to the radio, you must be aware we're in the midst of a movement that is the multi multigenerational. it speaks to older people, to young people to people all across the length and breadth of the diversity of this country. it's a movement of conscious people saying to themselves this is not the america we know america can be. we believe that our citizens should be safe in the streets, safe in their homes, that police officers should be safe and that racial profiling should not be the model and modality of policing in this country. we also believe deeply that the badly broken voting rights act should be must be fixed so that we can ensure that the african-americans and latinos, not only that people from rule communities and with disabilities, and college students are able to vote without impediment. we believe deeply that the right to vote is a civic sacrament and

the ballot box is our communion table. this journey which is unprecedented is literally across the length and breadth of this country, five states three purpose 8le, two red into blue district of columbia. launching today at 11:00 ending on september 15 in washington with advocacy day on the 16th. it's going to be tough, hot, it's going to be a test of our character, not only as marchers over the course of these 40 days and 40 nights but a test of the country. we want the presidential candidates whether democrats, republicans to talk about america's journey for justice. how to fix the voting rights act. end racial profiling, how do we address the inequities of education and of course income inequality. you asked me are we in the middle of a movement. yes, we are in the middle of a

movement. all we need to happen is for your leaders to follow the followers, the citizens who understand that this is a movement that must be responded to, must be adretsed and that we cannot commemorate the history of the past passing the voting rights act 50 years ago, it was a stellar moment in our democracy. but it's not enough to commemorate the past. we've got to commit ourselves to making history and reforming the present. join us for america's journey for justice. >> we certainly are joining you from the start and will be watching along the way. among the many things up for consideration. what about the court system? you know the department of just tils yesterday released this report highly critical of st. louis's family court system. the d.o.j. found the administration of juvenile justice discriminates against black children. is st. louis alone or is this kind of court discrimination more widespread? >> widespread.

you talk to juvenile justice scholars people in law enforcement, people in the court system, they'll tell you that what you've seen what we've seen in st. louis county that young people african-american children, are 1 1/2 times more likely to have their cases handled within the juvenile justice system than the white counter parts and the african-american children are 2 1/2 times more likely to be detained locked up put in little jails. this is just illustrative of a bigger problem. let's be clear about this alex. when we talk about juveniles let's say the word -- children. children. little citizens if the you will. but also children of god being mistreated in disproportionate ways that is unconscionable. but, this is simply the front end of a larger problem. that's reflected in terms of police brutality, misconduct so

when we say we're marching because of our lives matter, we're saying that because all lives matter. we believe that we can bring about reform. keep this in mind. you look at best practices, what's being done there are places where the juvenile justice system works better. we can do better as a country. >> i'll tell you, you're a great speaker and i'm sure so many will be gathering there at the foot of the bridge to hear you speak agency you launch this. best of lucking, we'll enjoy following it. thanks. >> thank you alex. the focus on solving one of the biggest mysteries has shifted to france.

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agency for the missing flight spoke about the difficulties ahead. >> obviously there's a number on the piece of debris. that'sing used to make the determination that it's definitely from the 777 in that regard. there is of course concern that it may be that there is no clear identifier on the piece of debris. >> joining me now is jay rollins who was previously a u.s. navy aviator. jay, with a welcome back good to see you. i'm curious what they need to find to confirm this is indeed mh-370. are there things comparable to vin numbers on cars? >> yes indeed. they have serial numbers that are attributed for each part and that particular flap actually has more than one because it's composed of smaller parts, so they will absolutely

be able to confirm. the other thing is it's 99.9% certain that this is from that aircraft because there's only one 777 missing. to find a part from any 777 it has to be this aircraft. there is the only a handful that crashed and they have all been accounted for. >> so, presuming that all of the testing will confirm that this is from mh-370 does it at all give investigators a clue as to what exactly happened to the flight? >> well they will certainly examine that flap. for one thing the way it inventory off will give clues how the aircraft entered the water. for another the barnicles and other marine life that's attached to it will give them some clue of the depth of the water that carried it over there. so that they can hopefully get a better handle and backtrack the

route that piece took in the hopes of finding other pieces. and to the extent that they can both cather more pieces they will put together a clearer picture. >> are there scenarios where a piece of a 777 could be floating in the ocean other than belonging to mh-370? >> not from a triple 7 because as i say, there's only been like four crashes to this point, four or five all accounted for none in that area whatsoever. and so it has to be from mh-370. i understand they do have some clothing things like that that they may still be able to retrieve even at that reunion island. >> i know that the anal sills is expected to begin on wednesday. how long you think it's going to take before we have definitive answers? >> i think it's going to be a while because they are going to do a number of tests, not just looking at the serial numbers. they will do some tests on the metal and they are going to be

very, very precise and certain about what they are doing. also we have the oceanographer people who have to go back and retrack what the ocean currents were in attempt like i say to get a better idea of where other parts might be. and then you have the other investigators that are still trying to put together the why, what went on in the cockpit, why did it end up going to the south the way it did. it's very odd. >> yeah it's been a question asked for over a year. good to see you. thank you so much. >> you bet. investigation is under way in california into the death of a south dakota firefighter, 38-year-old david rule died battling a fire that's burning near the border with oregon. officials say he disappeared thursday but his body was not found until friday morning. the fire is one of 18 currently burning in the state of california. it's one of the president's most controversial campaign promises made before the 2008

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the white house is in the final stages of drafting a plan to close the detention camp of guantanamo bay. white house officials, though are not being specific on a timetable. closing guantanamo has been on his agenda since he first took office, but the plan has met with tremendous republican opposition. rosenberg has reported on it ex tefrs tifl. welcome carol. >> good morning, alex. >> i know you've been to guantanamo bay a number of times. what is the mood like there and is there an expectation, a presumption that the facility will soon shut down? >> shut down soon no alex. i don't think there's any expectation that's going to be happening any time soon. you know, there's different groups down there. there's about -- there are 116 detainees and more than 2,000 troops and contractors assigned to the detention center. the troops are going about their

business as though they'll complete their nine-month or year-long assignment there is and go home. and the detainees, there's 52 of them who have been told they could leave once the administration finds them generally countries to reset will them. these are men who can't go back to their own countries. many are yemeni. the obama administration and the bush administration said we're not sending people back to yemen. there's a lot of work to be done. closing guantanamo, means moving it. at least part of it alex. >> some of the detainees have been there, what 13 years? >> it opened in january 2002 and there are a number of men who arrived in the first month and on the first day. some of these people have been in american detention held by the u.s. military since after the september 11th attacks. so late 2001, yes. >> so you mentioned these 52.

but the remaining 64 who are not being recommended for transfer, whether to yemen oren other countries, they are being recommended to be transferred, is it auto to super max sites in the u.s. on u.s. soil. who are these mainland bound detainees? >> the obama administration in order to close guantanamo made a decision some years ago, what they would do is move the men they could not release back to the u.s. so they would continue in some sort of a detention setting. lately we've heard about super max-style setting. it's pretty much been thought what they want to do is put them in another military detention setting. who are they? the youngest is 29 or 30. the oldest is about 67 or 68. they're predominantly men in their 30s and 40s who were picked up as war prisoners, believed to be associated with al qaeda back in the day from around the world. ten of them are awaiting trial.

and so they're thought to be war criminals if they're convicted. but the rest are like prisoners of war in this new kind of war that we have with al qaeda. they're not exactly p.o.w.s, but the idea is a war-style detention that doesn't consider them criminals but keeps them locked up because, frankly, parole boards have decided either there's no place to send them or they're too dangerous to let go. but there's no crime for which they could be convicted, alex. >> carol, i have just a moment. i'm curious about the article you've been running this week about the cancer scare there among lawyers working at the compound. what can you tell us about that? >> so that compound is not the war -- is not the prison where the 116 prisoners are and where the more than 2,000 prison staff are. it's not the place where the civilian lawyers stay. it's an obsolete airfield where they have the war court. there's been a couple of very

sad cases of young people who have worked at the court, lawyer translator paralegal who gotten cancer. so there's a lot of free floating anxiety among the attorneys there, and so the request is that the navy do air, water, soil samples on this very specific site to see if any of these cancers are related to guantanamo. >> something else to consider. carol rosenberg, thank you from the miami herald. >> thank you, alex. that was a wrap of this hour of weekends with alex witt. up next, up with steve kornacki. g out with his friends. you've got to be prepared to sit at the edge of your seat and be ready to get up. there's no "deep couch sitting." definitely not good for my back. this is the part i really don't like right here. (doorbell) what's that? a package! it's a swiffer wetjet. it almost feels like it's moving itself. this is kind of fun. that comes from my floor? eww! this is deep couch sitting. [jerry bell iii] deep couch sitting!

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