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>> they were due to become brothers in law but now their accused of a high profile double murder. >> i'm not capable of anything. >> as a first timer, one must learn a harsh reality. >> i can't be a sheep among wolfes. >> i never thought i would be here seeing you. >> it's no place for you, man. ♪ known for town squares that date back to the 1700s, historic architecture, and majestic oak trees. savannah, georgia is one of the nation's top tourist
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destinations. five miles from the river front hotels and restaurants is a very different sight. one most do well to avoid. >> savannah on fire! >> chatham county detention center is a average daily population of 1500 men and women. most of whom are only charged with crimes and awaiting trial at the resolution of their cases. but the man who runs the jail says many more pass through the booking department every year. >> we bring about 18,000 people a year to be booked. that's a lot of people in and out of jail. many get out on bond immediately. those that are still here can't make bond or they didn't get any bond from the judges. >> such as the case for nathaniel wilkins. >> we have a few questions for
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you. what kind of job skills do you have? >> cooking. >> 24 hours earlier, wilkins said he was working as a chef at the popular savannah restaurant. now he exchanged his apron for a jail uniform. accused of a high profile double homicide. >> the murders shocked neighbors. some told news 3 this was the first sign of trouble on the quiet street in decades. >> the victims wilkins' former boss and that man's girlfriend. they were found shot death outside their home. wilkins arrest came two weeks shy of the crime's one year anniversary. >> i did didn't -- i didn't have anything to do with it at all. >> charged with two counts of first-degree murder and aggravated assault, wilkins said when he enters his plea it will be "no guilty." >> it was my old boss. everything i looked in cooking wise i learned from him.
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my heart wouldn't allow me to do anything to him at all. when you walk in and everybody is looking at you crazy it's kind of funny. it's like what are you looking at? they're like man we saw you on the news. >> wilkins has had prior stays at chatham county on convictions including fighting in a public place an battery. >> all my charges are basically fighting. me shooting somebody is not going to happen. >> wilkins admits, however, that this male victim in this case fired him prior to the murders. >> i got fired because it was slow. i can tell the truth i got too comfortable and wasn't doing my job. when i got comfortable i started slacking in my work. >> wilkins said it was weeks between his firing and the
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murders but did not be specific. the actual time line between the murders and the firing hasn't been released by officials. but wilkins believes it's being used as a motive. >> so police are trying to use that as a motive. 7:00 that same day that same night i ended up getting another job. >> management at the new restaurant wilkins said he went to work for would not confirm when he started or discuss any other aspects of his employment there. nor would they confirm the employment status of wilkins co-defendant who said he also worked at the restaurant. in addition to working with wilkins, michael jones is engaged to wilkins' sister and like wilkins, he too, faces charges of aggravated assault and murder which he plans to plead not guilty. >> they linked me to my brother-in-law because i'm dating his sister. the situation they think he done it and i probably was with him. they don't even know for sure if i was with him. the question they asked me was, was i there?
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that's crazy. >> in this case i never knew flip a can of paint. never seen him in my life before. i haven't been there. i haven't done it. i have no reason to kill these people. >> investigators have not released information on what possible motives or evidence they have against wilkins and jones, but the future brothers-in-law believe a mutual aqua tense turned them in. if found guilty, both men would be eligible for the death penalty. >> people trying to get some money if they don't have none or anything to do with their life. they're trying to say i did this and that. >> just in an instant your whole life can be ruined like that. i regret knowing certain people. >> jones has no criminal record, jail is a whole new world. >> you know it doesn't matter
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how strong you think you are, it's no place for nobody. i wouldn't wish it on anybody. i pray my kids never see this. waking up here i thought it was a bad dream. it's real. i'm sorry for the families and i really do pray whoever did it that's who should be in my position now. this ain't nowhere to be. i don't want to be that dad that 20 years down the line you see your kids through a glass. no, man. i pray they don't take my life for some [ expletive ] -- i didn't do this. coming up another inmate takes michael jones under his wing. >> the first chance they get, they're going to cross you. >> and you see her heading up that way. an assault in the female unit. >> they're all cheering it on. putting it off. it's daunting. what if i make the wrong choice?
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officials at the chatham county detention center in georgia say there's approximately one fight a day among the 1500 inmates inside the facility. the vast majority of those fights are between male inmates. >> men have to prove their manline manliness. they can't let someone run the show if they think they're the runner of the show. fortunately, it's not as common for the women to fight. they do seem to keep it a little more in check. i think there's more verbal squabbles than physical altercations. >> but less than 24 hours earlier, lori was in a fight and now she's has a black eye to show it. >> i got hit from behind. she came and knocked me in the head. i didn't see nothing after that. everything went black.
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>> i was cleaning up my room. i never expected her to come in i h my cell. >> morgan caf lou kyi identified as one of the assail i can't thanks to the videos throughout the jail. >> you see her heading up that way. they're all watching. now they're getting up and moving. that's because another officer has come in over here. they're going tell her to hold off for a second. so she kind of strolls back over, but you can see how she's walking like she's pumped up. now they're giving her the green light to go on in. she does.
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they're all cheering it on. they're loving it. they're not the ones going to get in trouble, so what do they have to lose by encouraging a little action? >> seconds later, officers respond to the fight and break it up. caf lou kyi is taken to a segregation cell pending the hearing on the matter. >> it blows being in lock up. part of life, you know. live and you learn. >> i didn't really feel bad until i was sitting here by myself. when i brought in here i was like what did i do? why did i do that? it was foul and wrong of me. just, i mean, she's a good friend of mine and we were like that. >> her situation is similar to mine whether it involves family and not having knob to lean back
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on. i connected with her buts it jail. >> dowda will begin a one-year burglary sentence. caf lou kyi is awaiti ining tri. the two women met in jail. >> we built a stronger connection but i didn't think it was like that. i thought, you know, it's a friend kind of thing. i told her things. she told me things that she liked me more than that. at first it was like, okay, you know, going to see what's going on and, you know, it's not me. i'm not gay. it didn't work out that well. i was like i can't. she got mad at me. >> i mean, i say we're just friends. i'm not going to say anything that she wouldn't want me to say. >> is there a sexual relationship between the two of you? never? >> i have back problems.
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i have skoal owe sis. i used to let her give me back massages and stuff. it wasn't nothing to the point where i thought she was coming on to me or something. >> dowda said the relationship cooled after she was assigned to a different cell. dowda got a new cell mate. >> she got jealous of my new roommate because me and her get along really well. she just went off. >> caf lou kyi said the fight stemmed from an incident in which dowda told staff that caf lou kyi was making too much noise on the unit and interfering with her ability to study for the ged exam. >> i wasn't going to be disrespecting the whole dorm and stuff. they knew she snichd on me. they heard her. they were like why would she call you out like that. if i would have backed down or anything, i would have been disrespected more. more so everybody amped it up. people were like get her. >> she said nows she had a change of heart and wants to
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make amends. >> i need to give her a sincere apology and hope she'll still be my friend. she doesn't have a lot of people in her life. coming up lori dowda opens up about her real significant other and he's in jail, too. >> for a long time i looked at men like they were monsters. he changed me a lot. [touch tone] introducing freeze it, from discover. it allows you to prevent new purchases on your account in seconds if your card is misplaced. not here... ♪ and once you find your card, you can switch it right on again. hey...you're back! [touch tone] freeze it, only from discover. get it at discover.com.
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ginty. >> my bunk mate is not like that at all. he's smart at hell. he's been through the system stuff before. that helped me a lot on how to make it in here. >> don't move. i've been around murders within rapist, drug dealers, killers. i've been around it all. >> i try to give him the basic don't take nothing from no one. stay in the cell and you'll be all right. >> hicks has a wealth of experience to draw from. he's had numerous stays in jail on convictions including sale of a controlled substance, criminal trespassing, receiving stolen property, and eluding police. >> they don't care. they'll smile at your face and stab you in the back.
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nobody singing too loud in the church choir. the first chance they get they're going to cross you. >> hicks is currently charged with eight felonies. the most serious being three counts of a sale of a controlled substance. he plead not guilty and awaiting trial. >> because, you know, guys will try it. you have to show them like no. i'm a man. you're going to treat me like a man. if you don't they're going to run over you. >> jones is one of two men accused of a double murder of a young couple. his co-defendant is his future brother-in-law who is a former employee of the male victim. wilkins is housed in another part of the jail. both men say they're innocent. >> deep down inside it's still killing me. i tighten up. i got to be a man first among these. i can't be a sheep among wovls. any sign of weakness they'll eat
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you. >> given the fwravty of his charges, jones could be in jail for a long time before his case is ever resolved. >> i told mike that you might be here for a year or two years. his reaction was like -- what? like somebody drained out the life out of him. i'm like that's not long. but he's like what? are you crazy. that's two years. when he was coming here he was telling me his situation i have a preliminary hearing, boom, they're going to throw it out. i know, it because i didn't do it. i was like they're not going to just throw it out. you might not even go to a preliminary hearing. >> i'm thinking once i get me a lawyer sometime in a couple of days or something then, you know, they're going to say what grounds do you have my client sitting here for. i demand immediate release. it didn't work like that. >> morgan cavallucci is awaiting
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trial on her charge on possession of methamphetamine. after attacking lori dowda jail officials have her own. >> she got 60 days of lock down. she'll get an hour out per day to shower and maybe go in the rec yard. she doesn't get to watch tv or use the telephone, she doesn't get to get commissary or have visitors come. >> i mean, i just think 60 days is horrid and outrageous, but i've been told that she had bruises on her face and black eye. i felt bad when i heard that. she's, i mean, she's a pretty girl and i shouldn't have done that to her. >> both women agree that during the month they were cell mates they grew very close. dowda said cavallucci wanted more from the relationship. an assertion that cavallucci neither confirms or denies.
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despite giving dowd a black eye dowda fought back. >> she tried to gouge my eye ball. i mean, i know she had a good batch of my hair in her hand. i know, i got hit, too. but when i fight i black out. i have bad ptsd -- it's bad. i black out when i fight and i don't mean to. whenever someone hits me it triggers you're being abused. it's a life or death situation. >> where does it come from? >> i've been abused a lot throughout my life. >> dowda said she had a troubled childhood that includes time in group homes, sexual abuse, and being a victim of human trafficking. she says at age 13 she began to cope by cutting herself. >> it was like the adrenaline rush that it gave me was better than a high. it was better than smoking a blunt or popping a pill or something. it was better. then one day i just couldn't
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take it and i cut myself a little bit do deep and it scared me because everything went black and i don't remember if i hit a main artery. it squirted and a lot of blood was coming out of it. >> we all have, you know, a lot of stuff in our childhood and other people's stories are different. hers is traumatic. i hope she'll have me as a friend. i want to help the girl. i don't want to, you know, she doesn't have anybody so -- >> but not only does dowda have someone else, he's even under the same roof. over in the men's section of the jail. >> what drove me to her she has great personality. she's very beautiful. very outgoing. but the main thing is she downtown ever give up. we've been together going on six
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months now. it's been rough but it's well worth it when you find somebody you care about that much. she's opened my eyes and changed my outlook on life. >> josh holtzclaw is lori's boyfriend and co-defendant. they're charged with second degree burglary. dowdy pleaded guilty. >> it was all a heat of the moment thing. we figured we could get good bit of money real quick and we made a mistake and went down that road. after that there's no turning back. >> my whole life i've known nothing but burglarizing. that's all i never knew. he's never lived that life before. i burglarized before and i know
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you can get stuff out of it. >> i wanted to give her a better life than what i was able to offer at the time, and i think the fast life is the only way to do that. she was in a tough time and i wanted to be quote, unquote, superman to save her life, and told her from the destructive path she was going down. >> for a long time i looked at men like they were monsters. you use people. but i know now that i can't judge everybody because of three or four people's mistakes. he changed me a lot. >> but the relationship currently has a major complication. something even beyond being in jail. >> i feel bad about the way i met him because he is married and that makes me look like i've never messed with someone that is married before. it hurts me not just because who he was married to. he was married to my sister.
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>> coming up -- >> i was married to her sister for three months. josh holtzclaw and lori dowda navigate as lovers and inmates. and more advice for first time inmate michael jones. patients across the country have spoken. they recently rated their care experience at over 3,500 hospitals nationwide in a survey conducted for the centers for medicare and medicaid. just seven percent received five stars. among them were four hospitals that are part of cancer treatment centers of america. learn more at cancercenter.com. cancer treatment centers of america.
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discretion is advised. chatham county detention center in savannah, georgia is an immegs jail covering about 15 and a half football fields. that that yen is accused of murdering his boss and that man's girlfriend. >> every day i wake up in a cell. many nights i cry. >> wilkins admits his former boss fired him prior to the murders, but he insists he held no animosity toward him and maintains his innocence. >> i'm sitting in here waiting to go to trial. i don't know when trial will be. it might be two or three years from now. i don't have time to waste because i have kids that i have to go to. i have no choice because there's
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nobody out there willing to help anybody once you get locked up. once you get locked up it's like oh, well. it's his fault. >> housed in another section of the jail is wilkins' future brother-in-law and co-defendant. he claims his innocence. for now they have stopped writing each other out of fear other inmates might use their words against them as informants. >> everything is being monitored. in order to keep everybody in safe you know what i'm saying. i would rather cut all ties with him until it's over. >> jones cell mate hicks has warned him about this. >> you know no honor among thieves. they'll smile at your face and stab you in the back. >> now chris williams his advice for the first-time inmate -- >> you know how pro file my case is. everyone is trying to sit around
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me real close and look for anything to try to get them. >> we've been telling him to keep his distance from everyone. >> for instance, i'm sitting here talking with this guy and next thing you know i see somebody standing as close to you than you would ever usually do. when i notice you you try to ease off. i turn around and go to another spot i see you trying to ease over with your ears. i'm letting you know, man, i know what's up. but i'm not your ticket out of here. they give you a funny look and walk off. you know what i'm saying? >> keep your distance. >> everybody want to go home. >> it stinks, man. >> you don't have to be guilty but they can say something to make you look guilty to the grand jury. >> how does he know to trust you? >> first of all -- it has nothing to do with me. the way i conduct myself -- i
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these are the people i eat with. >> he don't even know about my case, really. >> jones and kwilkins have cut off communication now. another pair of co-defendants writes to each other. >> happy anniversary, baby doll. i'm already considerating the fact we can't be together on this day. i'm ready to get our lives moving toward better future. >> lori and her boyfriend josh were both arrested for second degree burglary. dowda plead guilty and will soon serve one year in prison. josh is working with prosecutors for a plea deal. >> we went in and got electronics and stuff of that nature. we just wanted a quick dollar, and things went downhill there. we've been calling each other bonnie and clyde for awhile.
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>> he was trying to give me my fairytale life. he tried to spoil but he couldn't. he's like my super man. >> their relationship has another major hurd toll overcome. josh is married and lori is not only his girlfriend but his sister-in-law. >> i was married to her sister for three months before me and lori started to talk and started it up our relationship. it's been a very rough road, and it's been well worth it, though. >> even though she hasn't been there my whole life, she still is related to me, and i'm not saying i'm sorry for meeting him. i'm sorry not saying i'm going to leave him. i'm not. i'm now saying that our relationship is over because none of that. i'm just -- i just feel better when he gets divorced. >> but for now, dowda said she would rather focus on the future
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than dwell on the past. she enrolled in the jail's ged program to give her high school equivalency degree and will soon take her certification test. >> it means i can get a legitimate job. someone can hire me because they have an education. they see i don't have a high school diploma, i don't have a ged and that shakes them. >> if you know what the prefix and the suffix means you can take the words. >> she's helped me a lot. i like to quit and say i'm done and move the book to the side and start doodling. she don't let me quit. >> i'm like a mother figure. i found it my responsibility to encourage them whenever they are weak and to decide to give up. i wouldn't let her give up. >> i really liked her. i learned a lot of new stuff. i want to go to college. i want to be a that werist fe t. i think i can help somebody going through things because i
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know what it feels to go through something. this is not about anybody else but me. if i don't want to become the statistic everyone says i have to change somehow. i have to start somewhere. so i got nothing but time. coming up -- >> i'm very nervous and scared. lori gets the results her ged test but the results of another test could impact her life even more dramatically. and -- >> hey. it's going to be all right. >> michael jones gets a visit from his fiancè. understands the life behind it. those who have served our nation. have earned the very best service in return. ♪ usaa. we know what it means to serve. get an auto insurance quote and see why 92% of our members plan to stay for life.
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at the chatham county detention center in savannah inmates are allowed two visits per week. there's still a sense of distance. friends and family get no closer to the inmates than a cubicle in the jail's visitation center. they can speak to their loved ones through a telephone monitor. >> the reason why they do video
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v visitation because it's better than contact visits. we don't have to worry about contraband entering and exiting the building. it's for protection of the officers as well as the inmate. >> i get visits from my fiancée and talk on the phone. it's good to hear a different voice compared to the voices you hear all day. all you hear is men's voices. when you hear something soft it makes you feel good. it gets you drunk. it gets you drunk. once you get in that mode it's like it feels good to hit this. once you get off the phone it's like man, i'm back in this world again. >> today wilkins' sister has arrived for a visit. but she's not here to see her brother. rather, she's visiting her fiancée wilkins' co-defendant michael jones. both men are charged in a double murder case. >>s it tough having to come visit him every saturday and sunday. it is. i never thought i would see him back here for something he hasn't done.
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so being out here on my own and trying to see his kids on a regular basis is hard for me. i miss him. >> burgess 53. >> just let her know with regard to my situation, your man will keep your spirit up. i can be facing a death penalty i'll make a joke about it. i hate to see her cry. [ laughter ] >> all visits are restricted to 20 minutes. burgess and jones have discovered that the clock doesn't start until the phone is off the receiver. >> when i mime with her she understands it real good. we've been doing it since we were kids. we really talk with our eyes. >> bam. 20 minutes. >> i kind of like not picking up the phone. >> i know.
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i would you not to pick it up yet. now we only have 19: 34. >> you look good! oh! >> you look good. [ laughter ] >> i saw the kids wednesday. >> you saw the kids? >> yeah. >> do they think i'm on the road? don't tell them. >> i told them you were on the road but the old c'est catching -- is catching on. >> i want to get home. >> yeah. you have to thank everybody -- >> investigators have not released the evidence they have genz jones and wilkins. their arrest came soon after a reward was offered and a witness stepped forward. burgess says she believes in their innocence but is angry they were ever in a position to be accused. >> between mike and my brother, it's like you guys here why did y'all fool with the young people to get here. who did you socialize with? why do they have your names in
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your mouth. why you here? what is the reason. they should have been work and home. your responsibility is kids not the street. it really does hurt because sometimes when i'm at home and i think he's at work and he's coming home but when i come here saturday and sunday it's like he's not coming home. you got to continue to come up here to see him through a tv monitor. >> it's going to be all right. stop crying. >> man, i never thought i would be here seeing you. >> all right. i'll be home. [ laughter ] >> all right. >> okay. >> it'll be all right. >> i know. >> i can always tell her face when she's getting ready to cry that's when i have to bring out the joker to let her know it's hard being strong one all the
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time. there are times when i ain't got nobody around. i cry about my situation at time times. >> it's never easy. that's why i try to make her laugh. it makes it easier on me, too. >> i love you. i love you. i love you! >> oh, my god. >> that's my ride or die. she'll ride with me until the end of the earth. i don't doubt it at all. even being in here i'm thinking what if this month turns into nine months or two or three years? i don't doubt she'll hang with me. that's how strongs it, man. i tried to say i think people are going to get me and i'm thinking they're going to take me forever.
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it doesn't matter about me being innocent. go ahead and move on with your life. she wasn't having that. you know she's not having that. she's a rider. >> burg eess saids it too painf for her to visit her brother. even the weekly visits with jones are getting difficult. >> it's hard on me because now i'm helping raising his kids and helping with bills and everything that he left. and i have no job so i'm trying to do the best i can with what i got. and just feels like everything is being taken away from me slowly. lori said she's known hard times and suffering, too. not only days from prison to start a one year sentence for second degree burglary, she realizes coming to jail might be the start of a brighter future. >> ladies for the ged let's go.
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>> she recently took her final exam in the ged program. today she find out the results. >> i'm very nervous. it's scary. i don't want to fail. just like when i leave here and prison. i'm scared i'm going get out of prison and fall again. [ applause ] it's wonderful. i love it. don't cry! congratulations. >> thank you. >> you worked hard. >> lori was very app hencive about her ability to be able to pass the test. she didn't feel like she was ready. i knew she was ready. coming up -- >> he grabbed me and slammed me. he got on top me like oh, yeah.
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>> he moved to a new cell after getting into a fight. now feels betrayed like michael jones. >> it's like psychological warfare in here. that's alls it. and lori feels she may not be alone when she heads to prison. he'll tell us everything he knows very shortly, sir. as you were... where were we? 13 serving 14! service! if your boss stops by, you act like you're working. it's what you do. if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico. it's what you do. creeping up on you... fight back with relief so smooth... ...it's fast. tums smoothies starts dissolving the instant it touches your tongue ...and neutralizes stomach acid at the source. ♪ tum, tum tum tum... smoothies! only from tums.
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inside the chatham county detention center he played the role of mentor to his cell mate michael jones. his main piece of advice is to stay to yourself and keep out of trouble. hicks himself ran into plenty of trouble with another inmate. >> playing cards, you know, words exchanged. you know, a lot of emotions being involved and we were talking and the next thing you know we're talking and debating and arguing. >> his cell mate michael jones witnessed what happened next. >> he was like [ expletive ] you
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tripping. you're tripling. you're going to pay that. i said man you're trip. he said no you're tripping. i felt like he was trying to front on me. i just took off. we grabbed each other. >> we hit him a couple of times and went to grab him. so he grabbed me and slammed him. he got on top like i got you. i don't want to do it to you little brother. he was like oh. >> soon after the fight hicks said he felt like he was swindled. after officers moved him to a segregation cell for fighting, hicks realized he was missing several eitems he bought from te jail commissary.
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>> i was missing like seven bags of chips and honey buns. where is my stuff? >> jones admits to taking the items but said it wasn't a swindled. it was debt repayment. >> i realized he owed me items. we call that a pc move. you owe somebody something. >> no. heck no. he took way more than what was -- if he took way more. he took way more. i've told him. i was like listen here are things you do and don't. >> among other things, hicks said he warned him to not talk to inmates about his case because they may report the information. truthfully or not to authorities. hicks said now he's in such a position because of what jones told him about the case. >> mike i know your case. you told me your case. you told me your case. it's like, you know, a guy will
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tell me everything about his case and then steal from me. >> would you do anything to jeopardize his freedom? >> if i wake up and i'm mad and want soup to eat and i don't. you never know. it's jail. [ laughter ] >> i'm not worried about anything at all. there's nothing like that for me to tell him for him to try to come back to get in trouble. you can even make up a lie. i'm not worried about nothing man. nothing at all. >> the choice is yours. i'm not trying to get used to living like this or fall myself like these guys but association brings on assimilation at times. you end up living like this when i'm around it all the time. it's like psychological warfare in here. you got my body now you want my mind. >> during her five months in
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jail, lori has experienced more than psychological warfare. she was attacked and given a black eye but her former friend and cell mate morgan cavallucci. on the positive side, dowda earned her ged here but now she's concerned that her jail saga may have one more unexpected development. >> i have issues going on with my stomach right about now. i don't want to say it for sure, but there's a possibility i could be pregnant. if not there's a knot like this big inside my stomach. i know, what to think. i know, my body very well and something is not right. >> when she came to the facility she was tested to see if she was pregnant. standard procedure. she tested negative. then she continued to complain of some stomach issues. the facility made an appointment with the outside doctor for her to get checked for her stomach issues. >> it's very possible to have a false negative if you don't have
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enough hormones within your system. if they're feeling like they're pregnant, then we can get them -- get a sample -- have them get a sample and do a pregnancy test here. if it's coming up negative they can get blood work done. >> they said i had an appointment pending. we'll see what is going on. before we got here, we took a home pregnancy test that came up positive. i was like it's home pregnant test. it's not nothing and i threw it. >> she did take a pregnant test. she took multiple pregnancy tests. one of them clearly showed positive, but she also took about ten others and they kept saying negative. i ain't heard much more about that situation. i actually wrote her the other day. i'm waiting for the response in a letter. i would love to start a family with lori and have little kids and i don't believe right now is the best time to have kids.
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>> i'm not nowhere near capable of taking care of any living being. i'm barely capable of taking care of myself. that's why i hope that i'm not. >> until she's examined and new tests are taken, dowda and the others on her unit are only left to speculate. >> you've gotten bigger. >> see. >> it's all right here. >> do you believe me when i tell you you're pregnant? >> it would be different if there wasn't a ball in there. that's corn bred. >> it's not corn bread, honey. it's a baby. >> i think but i don't want to accept. it. >> you think what? >> that i'm pregnant. the p-word. i don't want to be a bad mom. i'm scared to be. i don't want to be a bad mom. i guess that's why i'm in denial. >> but the truth of the matter is? you think you're pregnant?
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