trump, the other republicans take aim at democrats. >> whether it's hillary clinton or joe biden -- >> i can't wait to get in the ring with her or joe biden. >> give bernie sanders credit, at least he's honest enough to call himself a socialist. >> in order to beat hillary clinton or whoever their nominee turns out to be we have to have a nominee on our side who is going to throw every punch. >> we'll talk to hillary clinton's communications director about the polls, the republicans, and the first clinton campaign ads. fire storm in california. 13,000 people are evacuated as the fire spreads. >> fire behavior act like this, i don't think, ever. erratic winds, all directions, at different times of day. and dirty water as rio de janiero prepares to host the 2016 summer games. is the water too hazardous for the olympic swimmers? >> would you let your children

swim in this water? >> no, for sure not. you know, the water is not safe enough. and good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in new york today. the summer of donald trump has overshadowed legacy candidates named clinton and bush who expected to dominate their party primaries. our new poll highlights problems for both hillary clinton and jeb bush in critical area for any politician, likability. the numbers are grim for secretary clinton whose overall unfavorable ratinging or 48% is worse than any unfavorable rating we've recorded for barack obama during his presidency. jen palmeri joins me now. what do you think is the cause of these poll numbers?

she's upside-down now in the polls. she's 11 points down in just the last month. >> but if you look at head to heads with any republican candidate she's get beating all of them by a pretty good number, including jeb bush by four or five points, depending on the poll that you look at. i'm sure those numbers will move around a lot. we think that, you know, we are still relatively early in the campaign season. she's just starting to make her argument. we've just gone on the air with ads about how to show through her biography why she's a person you can count on to fight for you and, you know, we'll continue to make that case. but i think when people cover the polls what's lacking often is where the favorability numbers are for republican candidates and there's a fundamental fact that she is still beating -- that she still beats all of them. >> she still beats all of them, but if you look at the internals in the polling, among women overall, 45% unfavorable.

41% favorable. among whites, 57% unfavorable. 30% favorable. independents, 27% favorable, 52% unfavorable. among blue collar workers, 34% favorable, 49% unfavorable. >> it would suggest the question you're asking is the wrong question because she is beating everyone in her gender gap or 10 to 11 points depending on who the candidate is. so we still have a lot of campaigning to do and she still has a lot of arguments to make. i do think the coverage of these polls doesn't reflect the fundamental truth. i think most people would be surprised to hear that she's actually continues to do -- to perform better than the republican candidates. >> indeed she does. but the republican candidates now are all ganging up on her. >> and she's been durable. i mean, she has been under attack for four months. a pretty relentlessly. we have -- she's also been going out with a lot of good economic

policy speeches as well. but it is -- i think that, you know, we just started with paid media. what you've seen is she's durable. we think she's been tested. we expect the republicans are going to continue to attack her. but what we see as someone that is very resilient. this has been true across her career. and like people see someone who is going to fight for them and that's why she continues to beat people. >> i want to play what lindsey graham had to say about hillary and, in fact, bill clinton last night. and the caveat is that these republicans trying to perhaps avoid engaging with donald trump. >> you outtrump donald trump never the less. >> this is lindsey graham. >> as to the clintons i've been dealing with this crowd for 20 years. i'm fluent in clinton speak. do you want me to translate. when bill says i didn't have sex with that woman, he did. when she says, i'll tell you about bill in the pipeline when i get to be president, means she

won't. and when she tells us, trust me, you got all the e-mails that you need, we haven't even scratched the surface. >> how do you -- >> pretty sad and desperate particularly coming from lindsey graham, someone who is one of the smarter members of the senate, particularly someone who is known clinton for a long time and that is just -- i see a lot of them just trying to -- maybe they don't want to engage trump directly but they're trying to outtrump him. that's not going to do well for the republican party in the general election when they see hillary clinton come under attacks like that. >> it wanted to ask you about clinton's efforts to get policies out there. so she gives a speech at nyu, economic speech. the e-mails come out that day. she gives a speech at the urban league last, you know, friday, in miami. she gives a major speech on cuba policy. the e-mails come out and perhaps to distract from that, i don't know the motivation as well as

her tax returns and her health records. she's having trouble getting these policy messages out because of all the other noise out there. >> so, that is just reality in 20 -- com campaigning in to 2015. i know that you rarely get a clean shot on making news on any one day. that's why we keep at it. she does economic speech one day and she'll continue to amplify it throughout the campaign. we're laying out this foundation. we certainly understand the distractions are built in and we figure out a way to continue to hammer this and that's just part of doing business in politics in the 2016. >> is she going to have to explain why she used a private server? >> she has. she has. >> avoid carrying two devices. >> people -- we get a lot of these questions. she has answered them probably dozens of times at this point. i would venture a guess we have information on our website about

it with different questions. so she has -- she's answereds this questions. i see republicans continue to want to make this an issue, whether it's republicans on capitol hill or republicans on the campaign trail. but she's answered this questions. she's making her argument on policy. it's early on. but we still feel good about the fundamentals of our campaign, that she's got a strong base on policy, she's got strong money, and we see that she is -- she's very durable, she's super tough, she's not going to give in. we expect a lot of -- we expect a lot of fights tomorrow night and she's starting to make a contrast, too. you saw on friday at the urban league she, you know, governor bush was going to be speaking there and she brought up some of his policies and his right to rise theme and how his policies don't allow people to have the right to rise. so she will be continuing to make this contrast. we're surprised he didn't really react, he didn't seem prepared

to have a response hours later. but this is the kind of engagement people should expect from her. she will be taking them on directly. >> will she be taking joe biden on directly? do you think that he is going to make a decision to run? >> well, obviously i don't know. i love him, as you know. i've worked with him and president obama and just have a lot of respect for him as the clintons do and everyone, there's a lot of people on our team that worked for him. so we'll let him make his decision. >> you must be sure surprised because a lot of biden people, ron klain and others, have already joined your campaign, the clinton campaign. there were no signals of this before. >> well, there was. he, i believe the vice president's team had said he was considering this a while ago and they said he would make a decision over the course of the summer. so we knew that this was always a possibility. and we, you know, like i said, a lot of respect for him and we'll see what he ends up deciding. >> how would it transform the

race? >> i'm not going to -- i'll let other people weigh in on that. we're just going to let him make his decision. >> and one of the things that we pointed out is that these unfavorable poll numbers came immediately after an inaccurate report that you confronted directly, which led to a lot of other inaccurate reporting before it was corrected. the inaccurate reporting at the referral from the inspectors general. do you feel that there is a problem, that she's being treated unfairly? >> i think that when you are the front-runner of the democratic side and she's the overall front-runner, so we understand that with that comes a lot of scrutiny and i think people are -- you see it on the coverage of the polls. it's all about the focus is where people see that she's not doing as well as opposed to the fact that she's still winning. so we expect that. we are concerned about obviously with the "times" story was poor sourcing, bad fact, and then a

very long time to correct what was on their website and we thought that that was damaging in terms of, as you said, a lot of of other outlets picking it up. also what we are trying to convey overall is just because with digital information, just because you can correct the story later doesn't mean you should rush to get it up -- take the risk of being wrong. so, look, she's a big girl, i'm a big girl. we've been through this and we expect a lot of scrutiny but we just want to make sure that people are going the extra distance to be as accurate as possible. >>. jen palmieri, the rigg eors of presidential campaign this early out. and chuck todd is nbc news political director and moderator of "meet the press." chuck, you've had a deep dive into these poll numbers. what do you think is going on with hillary clinton and also with jeb bush in these polls? >> look, i think we have to look at it from, if you looked at it from 30,000 feet and you

didn't -- and you didn't sit here and have covered politics for 20 years, andrea, you would come to the conclusion that america hates all the candidates. that it don't like anybody in this poll right now as far as -- of the presidential candidates. there is an automatic negative vibe about all of them. and so i think if you look at it that way then you have a better idea of so why is sanders finding traction on the left, why is trump finding traction on the right? they're sort of -- they're being, you know, they're running sort of the toughest rhetorical campaigns when it comes to the economic anxiety that people are feeling. but also both of them have messages of the political classes let you down, whether it's bernie sanders on money. people forget the second biggest issues he touches on is bill nars and corporate money. trump talks about that, too. he was mocking the candidates beg for money at the koch summit earlier this weekend. he mocks the idea that they've

gone on. number one, that's the largest take away you should have from this. and then it makes sense to understand that in this anti-political class environment, then it's perfectly reasonable that the two most famous names on the political classes, clinton and bush, are both taking it on the chin and have worse negative ratings, in clinton's case than she's ever had in our poll, and in bush's case, the worst that certainly bush has had worse than him, not him, george w., but he's in a worst plate that mitt romney was at the exact time when we said mitt romney was a weak front-runner. this is an anti-political elite, anti-political class atmosphere we're in right now. >> does that mean that donald trump isn't going away any time soon? >> donald trump supporters are not going away any time soon. there's certainly plenty of people wonder how long can he sustain sort of this level of campaigning. you know, the guy, there is an energizerness about him that, you know, whether it's just --

he's constantly on. can he keep up that, can he keep up the rhetoric, it sort of feeds this news cycle. his supporters are not going away. that's the most important thing folks need to understand. and by the way, when it comes to clinton, i think now if you want to understand why is that campaign on the air and why are they on the air with tv ads that feature dorothy rodham? spend 20 minutes in the "wall street journal"le poll and you see all of these new drops for hillary clinton all coming, all are coming from women voting groups. >> and donald trump has in response to gawker putting out his phone number, which is a response to him putting out lindsey graham's phone number, he's now tweeted his phone number and here's his voice mail. >> i am donald trump and i'm running for the presidency of the united states of america. with your help and support, together, we can make america truly great again. visit me in twitte

twitter @realdonaldtrump and check out my campaign website at www.donaldtrump.com. hope to see you on the campaign trail. we're doing to do it. >> the mailbox is full. i cannot accept any messages at this time. good-bye. >> so he gets out a free ad courtesy of our senate producer frank thorpe who picked that up. >> yeah. >> this is just a completely different kind of campaign. so what is his role going to be front and center, the leader of the leaderboard in the big debate and who is going to fall off the edges? i heard you say on the "today" show they could expand to 11. >> if it's a rounding issue, it's a decimal point that separates 10, 11, and 12, there would be discomfort both on the point of the rnc and fox that that's how it would more likely to add an 11th podium if necessary. although i have noticed that the

gap between 10 and 11 has opened up a little bit where rick perry is falling further behind where it's not just a rounding error anymore to potentially keep him out of the ten spot. we'll see how fox decides to handle that. it's up to them. but you know, to watch trump here, in some cases you could argue that he is the most -- the sort of 21st century media savvy of all the candidates right now. mark murray and i, and dra, i think we have had this conversation off line, too, i always thought there would be a candidate that would understand the new way the media works, which is all on, all accessible, at all times, to anybody, whether you're dealing with nbc news or gawker. tm or fox news. whoever it is. and this idea of all accessibility at all times, which is what millennials certainly expect. i don't think any of us would think donald trump would be that candidate that figured that out first, but he did. and i think that that should be the lesson other campaigns are

taking away from this, which is, you know what, there's a feeling of accessibility with trump, he doesn't shy away from anything. he will communicate on multiple platforms. the other candidates hire a political strategist to help them communicate on all platforms. you don't get the sense that trump is doing that. that adds to the authenticity of him. if i were the other candidates i would watch this and say, okay, what's the lesson to take away. it's not rhetoric. it's accessibility. >> i'm not sure it's cooking bacon on a gun, either. >> some of it is too stuntish, you're try too hard. there's something about trump's way of doing it, well, it's really him. you know? he's probably saying, you know what, i'll buy a new cellphone number and put that out there in public. fine, let's go. >> okay. chuck todd, we'll all be heading to cleveland. thank you very much. >> hello, cleveland. up nexti, california home

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california, where the fire continues to devour new territory today is nbc's jennifer. it's unprecedented. how are people holding up there? >> it's tough. the firefighters here are exhausted. it's a new firefight every day. it's moving in a different direction through different terrain. and it's shifting. and as much as it's burned already there is still plenty of fuel out there. it's a fuel-driven fire. at one point on monday afternoon it even jumped the highway which they were really hoping would act as a containment line. they couldn't believe it when it happened. and one of the firefighters who was there said, you know, oftentimes you will see sparks and embers sort of cartwheeling over and lighting new brush on other sides of roads, but this was like a flame thrower, balls of fire just shooting out of this monstrous fire that's been growing every day for the last few. right now wildfires are burning in 134,000 acres in the state of

california. to put that in perspective, cal fire's number say the state's wildfire number average would put us at about 48,000 acres a little more than that. for this time of year. so we're already three times that. it's 63 something thousand acres the size of the city of sacramento, the rocky fire is the largest of them all. and another point. they say there are 21 fires burning, but to put that in perspective, some of the fires are called complexes, for example, in humboldt the one fire there is actually 75 small fires that are so close together because of lightning strikes, that they're categorizing it as one big incident. so dozens and dozens of fires literally burning across the state at this hour. andrea? >> jennifer bjorklund, thank you so much. as you point out the rocky fire is the largest of a dozen blazes in drought stricken california.

for more on this huge challenge, i know you busy you are so thanks for taking time to talk us to about what the strategy is now. how do you get control of this? >> yeah, well, with right now 23 active fires up and down the state we're definitely very busy. we've been moving resources from southern california up to northern california, ahead of this little siege. we actually increase our staffing, bring in firefighters back on duty, keeping firefighters who would have gone off duty. in fact, we've canceled all days off. that has given us even more of a workforce to use. plus, we've now been bricking in resource from out of state, the california national guard, the air reserve out of colorado. so a lot of extra resources to help battle these 23 fires. >> and so how many people do you now have involved? we see that you've got 3145 total fire personnel, is that all? now, concentrated in northern california? >> 3100 -- actually 3200 just on the rocky fire itself.

statewide though we have over 10,000 firefighters currently battling all these fires. as was mentioned in the earlier package, you know, many of these 23 fires are actually made up of dozens and dozens of smaller lightning fires in general. right now definitely conditions are dry. we are continuing to see the effects of the drought as wildfires can more easily spark and then they're going to spread at these historically fast rates. >> what about the weather conditions and is there any rain in the forecast or any hope that the winds will die down? >> unfortunately not. today temperatures are relatively normal. but we're going to heat back up. last week when a lot of these fires ignited we saw triple digit temperatures. over the weekend temperatures cooled down but then we saw lightning storms throughout california. these thunderstorms come with very little to no rainfall at all. so that's when we see where the lightning strikes, it hits the ground and ignites wildfires. that lightning is expected to pick back up over the next

couple of day, again, across northern california. >> good luck to you and all of the troops in the field and thanks so much for taking the time. danielle berland from california fire. thank you so much, sir. and a father and daughter have died after a circus tebt collapsed during a storm in lancaster, new hampshire, last night. 60-mile-an-hour winds brought down the walker brothers international circus tent. 32 other people were sent to the hospital. the national weather service sent out a severe weather thunderstorm minutes before the show started. it was the show's responsibility to monitor those weather conditions. the florida-based circus says they are waiting for council before responding. the national rifle association is one of the two most popular institutions in america today, according to our new poll. you might not guess the other. the most popular institution in america. a big hint, it's already a 2016 issue on the campaign trail. more coming up next right here on "andrea mitchell reports." ♪ no student's ever been the king of the campus on day one.

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it is hard for anyone to defend these morally reprehensible videos as planned parenthood callously harvested the organs of unborn babies to be sold at a price. >> the republican vote to defund planned parenthood is just one more piece of a deliberate, methodical, orchestrated, right wing attack on women's rights. and i'm sick and tired of it. >> the test vote to defund planned parenthood failed in the senate last night. but the political fight over the embattled organization is only giping. 2016 candidates will want to pay attention to the new numbers from the nbc news/"wall street journal" poll. joining me now is chris cillizza and susan page, washington bureau chief for "usa today." first of all, the most interesting thing is if you look at what are the two most popular organizations, institutions, at

all in our poll, they are, drum roll, please, planned parenthood and the national rifle association. go figure. planned parenthood has 45% popularity, 30% negative. far more popular than any other parties polled. the nra is 43% positive, 32% negative. chris cillizza, what do you make of this? >> well, i think it shows how influenced what we think about what people think is driven by the bases of the two parties, frankly. republicans are obviously very, very negative on planned parenthood, especially after these series of videos that have been released. democrats tend to view the nra as this lobbying behemoth that has blood on their hands. the middle of sort of electorate doesn't feel that way about these two groups. they don't have the sort of loaded understandings of what those groups mean in a way that if you say, you know, donald trump or jeb bush or hillary

clinton. it's much more sort of politically polarizing even for those folks in the middle. >> susan, in the 2016 campaign, among the candidates the republicans are universally negative on planned parenthood and hillary clinton didn't hesitate, despite saying that he was disturbed by the edited videos, that she didn't hesitate to come forcefully to their defense. >> well, this is actually a debate that both sides are more than happy to have because it energizes republican voters to criticize planned parenthood. it energizes democratic voters to defend planned parenthood. that's why i think even though this current me a sure to defund planned parenthood couldn't get through the senate it's going to revived in the fall and could lead to the shutdown of the government and we'll see who gets blamed for that. >> the other jubt is joe biden. you both have covered him for years and years. you know the relationship with president obama and how close they have become, especially with the president and michelle

obama's strong embrace of the bidens as they went through their tragedy. chris cillizza, what do you make of it? valerie biden, his sister, is quoted in the wilmington paper saying they never discussed this. i do know it is under serious consideration and i do know from inside the biden world that there are people reaching out and talking to other members of the party just in case he does reach the go decision at the end of this month or the end of the summer. >> yeah, look, i think always when candidates are making a should i run or should i'm not run for an office, particularly one like president, there are more people talking who don't know than feel not talking who do know. right? it's always a relatively small group of people who really know what's going on. and those people tend not to be the people who are talking all that much. i think that's even more the case here with joe biden and his thinking because, again, think of the circumstances here. your dying son's wish, at least according to the reports by "new york times," maureen dodd, is that you run for president in

2016. another son, hunter biden, really wants that to happen. so if ever there was sort of a personal decision that was being very closely held, this is the one. >> and he's back at the white house. we know there was just a photo opportunity where he and the president were meeting with ban ki-moon, carol lee was the pool reporter and asked if he was running and he replied, only if you were my running mate, according to carol lee's tweet. u.n. ambassador samantha power in the oval office back at work after a day in wilmington yesterday, a weekend in wilmington. so a lot of big decision, susan page, for the bidens, personally and of course politically. >> here's one thing we do know. we know that joe biden would like to run for president. he hasn't made any secret for that. the question is is there an opening for him to do so and that is a tough question, i think, even though hillary clinton has her problems as you discussed earlier in the show with jennifer palmirei, she

continues to be popular with democratic voter, a lot of money, huge organization, a big head start. i think the question for joe biden is, is there an opening for him and would he do harm in a way rather han good if he chose to run. i think that is probably the calculation that is going to be going through his mind over the next couple of weeks. >> here's what i can report, at least based on my reporting, that, yes, beau biden and hunter biden, the surviving son, both wanted him to do this, want him to do it. he will make the decision with dr. jill biden. it's a deeply personal decision. in advance of that decision there is fact gathering by the people closest to him, they are talking to elected democrats and others in the party, and he has in the past not been a good fund-raiser. he hasn't had successful campaigns. but he's a better retail politician now, i think that most people would agree, than hillary clinton on the campaign trail because of her caution, because of the problems that she's had. very tough decision and i also know that there are people very

close to him who are cautioning him that this would be a tough race and that if he were to lose his legacy would be very different than going out as a successful vice president. >> andrea, i just wanted to add one point to yours and susan's good points, which is, look, the best indicator of wanting to run for president or having run for president is having done, so joe biden has done it before. he wants to. it's does he want to run a race that might not be winnable. >> exactly right. thank you so much, as always. chris cillizza, susan page. and up next, we'll talk to a u.s. olympic coach asking if he's worried about his team. they're preparing to get into the polluted waters around rio next week. "andrea mitchell reports" only on msnbc. just in case you were wondering what cheerios are made of whole. grain. oats.

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it's only a year from now the summer olympics begin in rio. as brazil is scrambling to get ready there is a huge concern for the a polluted water. a danger athletes in water sports. a new report says some of the country's waterways are rich with viruses that could pose health hazards. nbc's miguel am what gar has this from rio. >> they've been holding triathlon events there is no sense of concern in the air but just around the bend you can smell a stench in the air. it's from the polluted waters. this is athletes from all around the world get ready to hit the waves. >> just below the soaring peak of sugarloaf mountain and not far from the world famous copacabana beach, there is trouble in the water. this is one of several water venues where some 1400 olympians will compete. biologist and environmental activist mario says nearly 400

tons of garbage flow into the bay every day. he says raw sewage from 8 million people have turning some stretches of these tropical waters jet black. oceanographer david zee says in the water where sailors will compete researchers found samples of so-called super bacteria that's resisted to antibiotics. >> would you let your children swim in this watter? >> no, for sure not. you know, the water is not safe enough. >> reporter: according to an investigation by the associated press, a single virus reading in the lake tested up to 1.7 million times what's considered hazardous on a southern california beach. brazilian officials challenge that report's methodology. the international olympic committee also said world health experts found no significant risk to athletes. but neither the brazilian company or the ioc has tested for viruses, only bacteria.

u.s. sailors paris hanken are training in the bay today. while their boat sailed into debris in rio's water last year they say that's not uncon in regattas all over the world. >> i've gotten sick. no problem so far. >> reporter: brazil has stepped up efforts to clean up the water, including adding ecoboats to collect garbage. >> we almost guarantee that they will compete in safe waters during games time. in swimming, in rowing, and in sailing. >> reporter: rio had pledged to reduce pollution in the baby 80%. but for next year many experts say the sun is set to make good on that promise. >> the world health organization is asking the international olympic committee to test the waters behind me for viruses, this as the international sailing federation says they, too, will test the water for viruses. everyone trying to keep the

athletes and the sum 350,000 tourists who will hit this area next year safe. >> miguel almaguer on and the international olympic committee is traveling to brazil this week. joining me now via skype from west windsor, new jersey, is luke mcgee, coach of the u.s. national men's rowing team and here in new york my friend nbc chief environmental correspondent anne thompson. what about the safety of the athletes? >> it's a big concern. one of the problems is that only about half of rio's sewage is actually treated before it goes into the ocean. so when they -- when rio got the olympic bid it promised that it would treat 80% of that raw sewage. that hasn't happened. it's not going of happen. and so it is -- that is why -- one reason why the a.p. found dangerously high levels of viruses and bacteria from raw sewage in the bay and other olympic venues and, in

particular, the guanabara bay is of great concern was the home there's, it goes straight into the bay and not treated there. >> i know one of the teams is there practicing. what are they reporting back to you? >> we haven't heard anything yet back from them. i mean, it's certainly a concern for us and something that we have been in constant contact with the ioc and our federation fisa and they've assured us they've done continue use testing throughout the year and the june wror world championships are set to go off, i think, today. but so far no major reports from them about too much illness. >> there are 1400 athletes who have some contact with the water. rio made the commitment before they got the olympics. so why -- isn't there any -- any legal recourse for you, for the athletes, for the coaches who have to be concerned about the conditions in the water? >> i mean, i'm not sure if there's legal recourse.

obviously i guess it is concerning. it's a little bit upsetting. i think it was a great opportunity for them to use to clean the place up. but as i said, the federation deemed that it's safe for the athletes to compete and they're doing forward with it. >> are any of the athletes expressing concerns to you? i know they want to win. they want -- you know, it's -- you wait for olympics and so this is their moment so nobody is going to back out, presumably. but are some of them worried? does it affect their conditioning? >> they haven't mentioned anything to us. it might be in back of their mind. i think they're focus and their events this year, world championships later in august. but i'm sure there's that little bit of concern. i think as an athlete you want to make sure the playing field is fair and level. and you don't want to ever see any sort of outside influence come in to play and end up affecting the results. every olympic games there are outside illnesses that come in. rowing is no stranger to that, in beijing and london and

athens. you hear reports about athletes getting sick and missing out which is incredibly unfortunate considering their commitment they put into it. i know we put sanitation protocols in place in hopes to minimize that risk and hopefully it won't play out, as i said, in the final results. >> and of course anne thompson, there have been other health challenges. we've talked about the pollution in beijing. >> right. >> you know, going all of the way back to mexico city. there have been problems in venues. >> right. you also have to remember when the ioc awarded the olympics they were well aware of this problem. it's not a new problem in rio. thomas bach, the president of the ioc said he is going to bring it up again with brazilian authorities so they can do their utmost to keep the athletes safe during the games. but can you imagine if you're an athlete and you cut yourself, euroing or sailing and water splashes on you, it has the bacteria or virus gets into your

system, it could make you very sick and cost you the olympic games. >> and luke, what are team doctors telling you? >> so far i think -- i guess they're putting santician protocols into place. and they feel that with those that it will minimize the risk and hopefully -- that's the big problem that has been brought up, is that you don't want to have this outside component really affect the results for these guys after so much hard work. and i'm sure that they'll hit the water and that first time they get splshed or, you know, take that drink from their water bottle they will have that concern. you can only hope as a coach when you get down there that that dupts ploesn't play into i >> luke mcgee, thank you for taking time to talk with us. always a pleasure to talk about our teams. and anne thompson, you have so much with the olympics next year and the pope's visit. >> interesting year. >> great to have you hear. thank you. after a break, "wall street journal" reporter carol lee joins me after asking vice

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directly in a group setting whether or not he was going to run. he slipped out. as he left i just leaned over and whispered to him, are you going to run or what? he was ready and said, not unless you're my running mate. he laughed and he left. so he's prepared to dodge this question until he figgers it out for himself. >> this was his first day back at work this week. he was in wilmington yesterday. but obviously, according to all of my reporting, this is something he's seriously considering. obviously one would given this would be his last opportunity. we know he ran twice before. wants to be president. thinks he is better qualified than any of the other contenders to be president. would certainly shake up the democratic race, though hillary clinton far, far ahead of any of the other democrats. >> toer sure. it would be late for him to get in. but like you said, he has a long and, you know, deep record and he could run on that record. he clearly thinks he's at this point in his career where he's most qualified. as you know he's already run for

president twice and was not successful. so, you know, he said that he is going to make a decision by the end of the summer. most people expect that to be sometime in september. also point to him not having made up his mind on this. >> let us know if you get a request to be the running mate, carol. >> i sure will. >> thanks so much. and more coming up on "andrea mitchell reports." more politics when we come back. [ female announcer ] everything kids touch at school sticks with them. make sure the germs they bring home don't stick around. use clorox disinfecting products. you handle life; clorox handles the germs.

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you know, you really want to be in that group of ten. it's big enough. you don't want to be that the second group that has what lindsey graham calls the happy hour forum beforehand. >> or the kiddy table, indeed. at 5:00 tonight we'll find out when they cut off the poeing and presumably we'll learn whether or not they will expapd it to 11. more on the debate tomorrow, of course, and on thursday. susan page, thanks so much. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." remember, follow the show online, on facebook, and on twitter @mitchellreports. "msnbc live" is up next.mu food have? 18%? 20? introducing nutrient-dense purina one true instinct with real salmon and tuna and 30% protein. support your active dog's whole body health with purina one. to folks out there whose diabetic nerve pain... shoots and burns its way into your day, i hear you. to everyone with this pain that makes ordinary tasks

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two hours. i'm francis rivera in for thomas roberts. only ten roses to give. sometime after 5:00 p.m. today the major republican candidates for president will find out which ten will make the main stage for the party's first debate on thursday. fox news hosts the first debate and based on their criteria nbc news estimates that these are the ten who will make it. filling out the outer edges of the debate platform are two governor, new jersey's chris christie and ohio's john kasich. out of the main debate is a former governor, texas rick perry. however, there could still be room for a 11th candidate to sneak in. last night 14 of the candidates made an attempt to break out from the pact. this time in new hampshire. they talked hillary clinton, president obama, budgets and terror. the one topic that kept coming up, i'm grammigration reform. >> in the 2 1st century legal immigration must be based