con, it's basically the tv version of your uncle's facebook feed. i get it, you didn't vote for him. i heard you, you didn't vote for him. >> pro, one of these that's mike. >> billy? >> william. >> william, good to see you. and hal. >> how are you? >> good morning. >> how many kids do you have now? >> two. >> just two. >> but you had one a month ago. >> they're both under 2 which seems like enough to be eight. my wife is a god send. >> what would tim call them, irish twins? >> yeah. >> how many you going to have? >> 14, 15 at this pace? >> we're on a good track.

we have a good clip going here. boy, we have a lot of news to talk about. we have gene robinson in washington. where did you and donald dine last night since you're best friends? >> i think we have a date tonight in cleveland. >> oh, okay. very good. we'll have pizza and eat it with a fork. remember that one? >> yeah. >> he won't be doing that. >> donald doesn't eat pizza with a fork. >> no. >> well -- >> does he eat pizza? >> yes, he eats pizza. he's donald. >> he's a man of the people. >> yeah, anyway. we also have the co-founder of the opinion research firm echelon heights, christen anderson. i'm really tired this morning. holy cow! you know?

there's a reason we don't do prompter here. so we have bernie sanders within six. >> yeah. new hampshire. we got, of course, donald trump, these extraordinary polls. the fbi sniffing around with the server out in denver. >> that's not a helpful story for hillary. >> it's not. you know they're investigating the system and not the person. yeah whatever. okay. so they're investigating the system. but, you know, when the fbi says hey that thumb drive, you know that thumb drive you have? you better hold on to that thumb drive. i mean, because they're basically saying, we're holding you accountable if that evidence is destroyed. >> according to "the washington post," the fbi did pay a visit to david kendall, the clinton's lawyer, about the thumb drive to make sure it was secure. >> yeah. that's what i'm saying. you can read that article the way you want to read it.

when they say you know that thumb drive? yeah, you're responsible for making sure it's secure. you know, i don't know. i would much rather have somebody call me and tell me i won the lottery. so it's going to be very interesting. >> "washington post" had some interesting questions about who set up and secured the server. were the people qualified to secure a -- what amounted to a state department server. we'll have a guest on at 6:30 that wrote the story. >> the more -- i feel very comfortable in saying the more you find out about this store yishgs the uglier it gets. she sent the five intel agencies and just -- i don't know. we'll see where it ends up. maybe it's much to do about

nothing. and maybe donald trump will get out of the race in the next two days. >> that ain't happening. >> exactly. >> stage is set. >> it is set. we're talking about a reunion tour, right? i've been waiting for that. >> in the fall. but thursday night before we get, there the republican debate in cleveland highly anticipated first head-to-head vent of the 2016 campaign. ten candidates selected based on the recent national polling. seven of them appear on the undercard which airs a few hours earlier. so this is how they will appear on that debate stage. the order has changed, national polling has had nine of the ten candidates in the debate since the rules were announced in may. the odd-man out just missing the cut, former texas governor rick perry who was in the debate as late as last week. he's been bumped now by number 10, ohio governor john kasich. >> by the way, listen, i'm not -- let's not be cynical about this. i'm sure everybody did this

straight up. you just knew they were going to find a way for the sitting governor of ohio to be in the debate. >> to see him rise like he has. it looks like a ncaa tournament, you get to the tweet 16 and the team that you didn't think would make it that far, here he is. he thought it had it in him, he's going to be a real force not only tomorrow night but between now and come late january if he's able to continue this trajectory. >> yeah. >> how do they put this together? >> neil king of "the wall street journal" knows they crossed five national polls to decide who gets in the debate. what separated kasich from perry is the opinion of about 50 people. 2012 iowa caucus winner rick santorum said, "the idea that they have left out the runner up for the 2012 nomination, the former four term governor of texas, the governoff of louisiana, the first female fortune 50 ceo and the senator from south carolina seven months

before a single vote is cast is proposterous". that is from santorum's candidate. >> also the three term governor of new york state. that ain't nothing if you're a republican. >> do you agree with that analysis? >> yeah, i do. i just think you have to have everybody in there. i do know this, though. i do know that the debate is going to be so crowded that there actually is some insentive in income the undercard. listen, it won't be like the beatles. you won't have tens of millions of people watching. it's the clips the next day. you'll have more oxygen at the earlier debate to get a punch in here, to get a punch in there. if you have a great punch, the great rhetorical flourish, it will be on the news the next day and covered. this really does seem to me, mike, one of the things, where you know, you can have an eventual person and say the final four if we want to use the ncaa analogy that wasn't even in

the first debate. if i were a candidate and i wasn't in the top tier, i would be very upset. i just don't think it matters in the end. i think if rick perry scores knockout blows in the undercard, we're going to be play it just like he was in the main debate. >> right. it's a thursday in august. it's not going to have a massive audience at 8:00 whenever the prime time debate is. if you say anything memorable, newsworthy at 5:00 on the undercard, it's going to be on the news the next morning. it's going to be on the news that night. >> and, gene, karl rove said, alex told me that karl rove said it was a press conference masqueraded as a debate. well, in that undercard, can you almost write out your line. here's the other thing can you do, too. you can write out your attack against donald trump and not have donald trump on the stage to respond. and then donald, you know will respond afterwards because donald responds to attacks and you're the one in the news the next day. i know people love, they always

say to me, joe, can you tell me more stories? please tell me more stories about when you were in congress. i'll do it. you talked me into it, gene. you talked me into it. my first debate i was 30 years old. it was a greenpeace debate. i'm not going to a greenpeace debate. i refused to. i wrote this steaming anti-american, anti-business, anti-everything, i refused to and said anybody that shows up on that stage is a disgrace to america. guess what? that was a headline the next day in the pensacola news journal. it was like -- it was my first -- because i wasn't there. this is just an vent. somebody can play the undercard just as well and get just as much publicity. >> yeah. if somebody plays it really, really well. you know, if everybody on the undercard is trying to say the most outrageous thing, preferably about trump in order to make the news, then it

becomes kind of a, you know, a minor circus. i guess i disagree a bit in that frankly this is about donald trump. i think it's going to be -- there's going to be an unusually large audience. yes, it's august. yes, it's first debate. yes, theoretically people have to focus on the race. apparently people focus on donald trump. and so people are going -- you know, i do think it matters to be on the big stage. once you get there, how do you play this? how do you play off of him? how do you get your message across without having it, you know, totally hijacked by this new force in the race? it's going to be just fascinating. >> it really -- you know it really is going to be fascinating, willie. i'm really -- and, again, it's fascinating because you're looking at trump. how is trump going to react? how is he going to be? how is everybody going to respond to trum snp pretty

crazy. last night donald trump talked about his approach. >> are you rehearsing? >> not really, bill. i don't know how you can rehearse for a debate. i watched romney, mitt romney, he let us down last time. he rehearsed. you have to be who you are. i don't have any pollsters. i know the other folks have pollsters and everything has to be just perfect. the fact is the pollsters oftentimes they don't work. i'm not looking to hurt anybody. i'm not looking to embarrass anybody. i'd rather go straight down the middle. you don't know what's going to happen. >> he's looking presidential, willie. >> he has the blue tie on. >> let's talk about tomorrow night's debate. what are you looking for beyond donald trump in term of how the other candidates will have to

react to him to get their own message out? >> i'm going to be looking to see what extent they try to draw contrasts with people who are not donald trump. to what extent are they, a, focusing any of their firepower on going after hillary clinton and trying to position themselves as here's where i differ from hillary clinton. but, two, trying to differentiate themselves from the nontrump other folks that are in the field. so to what extent will somebody like a mike huckabee be trying to draw contrasts with a ted cruz given their both trying to go for the social conservative block of the party? to what extent will john kasich be trying to go after a jeb bush because they're both looking at the kind of same establishment part of the party. if you think about it like a bracket and who is competing for what slice of the pie, i'm interesting to see how people position themselves against the other part of the field. >> conventional wisdom is this donald trump bubble is going to burst and we look up lien is a new poll that shows i had leads

widening nationally and very important early states. if it does pop, when and why? >> some people support him because they like his rhetoric on immigration. some people like him because he sounds different. some people say they're voting for him because he's the last person they hear in the news. some of that might evaporate. some may not depending on what extent the other folks start sounding like they're not quite politicians either. you have this first chapter of the presidential primary that was all of the announcements. then you have the summer that was a vacuum. that vacuum got filled by donald trump. are we seeing first page of the next chapter? are we moving into a phase where there is no longer a vacuum to be filled by donald trump and begin presenting a little bit

more substance? >> says the republican. >> that's what i would say, hopefully. you just hold your breath. as a republican, we've been holding our breath since ronald reagan retired. make sure your sentences get out. >> don't you think -- you have wallace and bret bear and megan kelly doing the moderating. don't you think they're going to ask questions about the iranian deal? >> sure they are. >> they're going to ask questions about degrees and what you would do to create jobs? that will put pressure on who has the most news? trump has to answer questions tonight. in the past he calls stupid and dumb and says he doesn't have to plan or politician and rehearse, it's curious to hear him talk about what his plans are for these things. i think the walkers and rub yoez can find some way to get in. >> i think it's a challenge for him, i do.

>> he is a very smart guy. he asked about the volker rule. i'm not sure if he had a grasp on the volker rule was. you look at the response to it. you're right. i think that's a real challenge. and i think that actually we'll see if jeb shines there. we'll see if scott walk kerr face it. it's really going to be something. >> there is a third element in the rail. what does he do if he's asked what organization is more dangerous and what should we do about it? isis or al qaeda? what do you think, mr. trump? >> right. >> does he say isis is stupid? you know, that's what he's doing about everything since then. so he's got a way to go here. >> and that's -- you were on the table and we commented on it.

walker and trump, the most pressure is on them this evening. i think the substancest candidacies will be tested. >> except for the fact you have 47 people on stage. >> 48. >> when it's a one-on-one, i think that is more exposing. and it may give the candidates some time. >> you also see governors that are also exposed. you start asking the difference between sunnis and shia and start talking about some things that didn't have to do with going to the chamber of commerce. and they start stumbling. >> yeah, we saw that four years ago. >> this is a two our debate. it's going to go on for a while. it's a crowded state. there's a significant amount of pressure on scott walker. he's doing pretty well in the polls. he is ready for prime time? i think this is his chance to

show that he belongs in the top echelon at least. >> it's jeb and walker and trump. we'll see. we know jeb is going to -- he may stumble around a little bit on style. we know he's going to be good on substance. how is scott walker going to be? that's the big question. >> i agree. >> and jeb and hillary clinton were actually at it yesterday talking about planned parenthood. a fifth video was released saying that planned parenthood is profiting from fetal donations. they say the edited video showed no wrongdoing by the staff. the full video is available online as well. the funding is taking center stage for this race. at a conference for evangelicals, jeb bush said that

women's health issues are overfunded. he explained why he believed the federal government should end the support of planned parenthood. >> the argument against this is, well, women's health issues are going to be, you're attacking it's a war on women and you're attacking women's health issues. can you take dollar for dollar, although i'm not sure we need half a billion dollars for women's health issues, but if you took dollar for dollar, there are many extraordinarily fine organizations, community health organizations that exist, federally sponsored community health organizations to provide quality care for women on a wide variety of health issues. but abortion should not be funded by the government. >> they issued a followup statement saying i misspoke as there are countless community health centers, rural clinics and other women's health organization that's need to be fully funded. i was referring to the hard to fathom $500 million in federal

funding that goes to planned parenthood, a organization callously participating in the unthinkable practice of selling fetal organs. that is from jeb bush. hillary clinton and bush traded jabs on twitter about the initial comment and the democratic front-runner went further during a campaign stop. >> jeb bush said he's not sure we need half a billion dollars for women's health issues. i'm reading it because i want to quote it exactly. now he has no problem giving billions of dollars away to the super wealthy and powerful corporations but i guess women's health just isn't a priority for him. when he attack planned parenthood, awe tack women's health. when you attack women's health, awe tack america's health. the truth is what jeb said, the other republican candidates believe, too. >> so the clinton campaign made

immediate hay out of this. the follow up correction from the bush campaign will not live on. we know that sound bite will in 30 second ads. >> that sound bite will. and jeb bush talking obviously about planned parenthood at half a billion dollars. i think hillary overreached, too. what you said when you attack planned parenthood, you attack america. because that's what you said. when you attack planned parenthood, awe tack women's health. >> she's speaking for a very, i think, small section of the democratic party. there are a lot of us and there are many pro-choice people that i know who scratch their heads and say why are we spending half a billion dollars on planned parenthood? when we have all the rural clinics that are having to close their doors and can't serve

women? >> that's why i think jeb bush's comment is important that he followed up and followed up very quickly with that correction. but the nbc/"wall street journal" poll that came out this week showed planned parenthood has good favorables with the broader electorate. you saw hillary clinton saying the videos are a little disturbing. can you tell the poll numbers came in for her campaign over the weekend. now i can go on a limb and stand in support of planned parenthood. i have bernie sanders coming at me in new hampshire. i have to make sure i have my base locked down. you can see the political things going on there. they're making her now suddenly come out and stand with planned parenthood. i think it is risky. i think the videos over time are going to fundamentally change the way a lot of americans who up until this point thought planned parenthood provides

tests and important health services. i don't like abortion but they provide some stuff i do like. i think the videos are so horrifying that as they get out there and more and more people see them, they will begin to change the way people think about planned parenthood. >> i agree. but gene, at the same time, i remember during runup to impeachment, bill clinton, i think he overrode a veto of a ban on partial birth abortions. and i remember people saying bill clinton the moderate. this is really surprising he did it. he was going against the polls. it didn't make a lot of sense with the conventional wisdom. but everybody said it made all the sense in the world for a democratic president in trouble trying to hold on to the most important part of i had base. even if it is grotesque and

callous and disgusting. that's her base. that's her support, right? >> well, look, the democratic base is supports planned parenthood. as christen said, if you look at the broader polls, planned parent shd a popular organization. it does health screening, you know and all sorts of women health services. and it also performed abortions. it has a reach that the small rural clinics that everybody talks about simply don't have. people have experience with the organization. so i don't think hillary clinton is out on a limb at all there. i think certainly the videos do is certainly energize the pro-life movement and provide a sort of impetus for activism and

perhaps for action on that front. i think she's fine. i think she's fine. >> we'll talk more coming up about that poll out of new hampshire for hillary clinton and the server story in the "washington post." >> bernie sanders six behind. >> still ahead on "morning joe," presidential candidate car lee fiorina will join us live. we'll get her reaction to not being on the main stage for tomorrow's debate. plus, senators john thune and dick durbin will join us. we'll be live in cleveland to break down the big moments from the debate. you focus on making great burgers, or building the best houses in town. or becoming the next highly-unlikely dotcom superstar. and us, we'll be right there with you, helping with the questions you need answered to get your brand new business started.

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♪ welcome back to "morning joe." >> and it sticks. >> it sticks. >> right on cue. so what seemed like a sure thing for hillary clinton, new hampshire appears a little bit less so this morning. a new poll in new hampshire shows bernie sanlders surging

only six points back and a tenth of a point outside the margin of error. nearly a statistical tie. taking a look at the same poll from may, sanlders made up big ground. that is with elizabeth warren in the survey. now you pull her out and that lead shrinks for hillary clinton. clinton beats sanders when it comes to the economy, terrorism, illegal immigration and health care. and most democrats there think she's the stronger leader and has the right experience. there are still questions. 55% of democrats say sanders is the most progressive and one-third call clinton the least honest of those candidates. so that six point marge sin about the same as it was last month. two months ago though when elizabeth warren was in the poll, it was a huge lead for hillary clinton but now down to six points. >> any concern, harold? >> naturally. i think the campaign can take some comfort in looking at the numbers about leadership and the big issues, health care,

terrorism. we've all said around this set when big complicated tough things happen to the country around things that involve national security, that's when she benefits. she's viewed as a big manager. >> the thing is she's -- you've got a guy that is a socialist that nobody took seriously. he's within six points. >> in fairness, he's from that area. she won new hampshire eight years ago. i think she'll find herself in -- once we get through this debate and the summer gets through. she'll find herself in a good position. there's no reason for concern. you heard her home campaign officials on the show say we're not taking him lightly. this poll reinforces why you cannot. >> it's the middle of summer. it's well ahead of the election. but there's huge unrest and volatility out there in this country with regards to anyone who is a professional

politician. bernie sanders is a professional politician who doesn't come off as a professional politician. >> right. >> he come off as a var yant of donald trump. the country, large parts of the electorate are interested in a huge middle finger will warning to anybody who is a professional politician. and that's what's going on in new hampshire. that's what's going on in every state. >> gene, you look at new hampshire, it has a history of damaging front runners. george h.w. bush in 1992. pat buchanan got within eight or nine points. gene mckarnlg yishgs tcarthy in. and i'm sorry if hillary didn't beat a guy like bernie sanders by double digits, there are going to be a lot of questions. it's not just putting a win in the column. >> you know, we'll see how the campaign develops. she might not beat him by double digits in new hampshire. people in new hampshire know bernie sanders a bit better than

people in a lot of the rest of the country. i think they see socialist as sim antic exercise more than, you know, i mean he's not son of stallin' or anything like. that you know, he's a u.s. senator votes like a liberal u.s. senator who calls himself a socialist. so i don't think that really hurts him in new hampshire. it might hurt him in other states. but he's a strong candidate there. i think it is right that there's an anti-politician feeling across the country. i think the questions about the e-mail server is a nagging thing that are going to drag her numbers a bit. we'll see if that progresses as the investigation progresses. >> the fbi is looking into hillary clinton's e-mail server. there is a report it was set up

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there's news concerning hillary clinton's e-mail server. "the washington post" reported the fbi has begun looking into the setup of the server she used while secretary of state. the bureau has contacted the denver company that managed that

server. they've also talked to clinton lawyer david kendall who reportedly has a thumb drive with a copy of the e-mails on it. while the former secretary of state is not being targeted at this point, there are concerns the information could have been compromised. the post also reports the server originally was set up for her failed 2008 campaign by a staffer from her pac. >> that sounds secure. >> let's ask. joining us now is the "washington post" reporter who first broke the story, carol lennig. good to see you this morning. flush this out a little bit. what's new here? >> so what's new here is essentially actual fbi agent activity on the ground. you know, there was a lot of hubbub about whether or not the classified material contained in hillary clinton's e-mail that's she used on private account while secretary of state, there was a lot of hubbub about was this information improperly released? did the violate any national

security laws because it was traversing a private server. now we know that fbi agents are trying to figure out was this information compromised because of the really unusual arrangement that hillary clinton created and set up at her home in new york. >> carol, tell us about the sellous. it was set up by a staffer from her pac for the 2008 campaign? >> so correct. what we now know about this server, there is really interesting details. the person who set it up was paid for by her leadership pac. it was a campaign aide who obviously knew a good bit about i.t. you don't just set up a home brewed server in somebody's home unless you know how to make that work. so this person created it, was paid for about it leadership pac and then we learned last night he also then was hired at the state department to be a special projects adviser in the i.t. section of the state department

when hillary went on to become secretary of state. >> carol, do you know if there were any additional security measures set up at the time that this staffer for the pac set it up for a political campaign to when she started sending classified material when they became secretary of state? >> excellent question. two questions really in that. a, there were a lot of concerns as my colleagues reported with me in the story today. there were a lot of concerns inside the state department among aides and also in the campaign about the security of the server largely for practical reasons. it was actually failing at times. and kind of crashing. >> the server was crashing? >> yes. >> so there were anxieties about that not because they were worrying about classified information, per se, but because there were questions, is this really working properly?

>> it sounds like it does sound like home brewed. i mean, you get a staffer. he set me up the server. it sound little to say lax would be an understatement here. >> well, that's -- i'm sure one of the many questions the fbi will have in this probe which, of course, is very preliminary at this stage. but joe, you mentioned something else which is about the classified material. you know, it has to be said that hillary clinton has said over and over again the material that i sent and received was never stamped classified. and, of course, as we all know, the intelligence community inspector general has said it appears that a lot of this material was classified in nature whether it was stamped that way or not. >> right. >> and that's the security risk is the secretary of state is going to be discussing things like the movements of foreign

dignitaries, the private discussions with foreign governments, security at, say, embassies and kons lats. and that is all going to be very sensitive material we wouldn't want falling into enemy hands. >> very sensitive, very classified and as i'm sure will come out later on everybody in the intelligence community i talk to say you know when you're sending a classified piece of material whether it is stamped classified or not if you do it enough. i'm curious about the thumb drive. david kendall has a thumb drive, hillary clinton's attorney, before bill clinton's attorney. a thumb drive zshgs that contain all the e-mails including the so-called personal e-mails about her yoga classes and chelsea's wedding that she destroyed when she wiped out the server? >> so also an interesting area of inquiry for the fbi. you mentioned before the issue of security because this server was failing at times, we're told, this denver company was hired some time in 2013 to take

over managing it. and what we know about the thumb drive is from david kendall himself who has told the benghazi committee and told us that all of these embarra-mails been swiped, wiped, erased and client. all the ones that he and his client determined personal in nature. they are gone for the eternity, according to him. so what's on the thumb drive are 30,000 plus work-related e-mails. >> all right. >> mike barnicle? >> carol, within the body of your story today, it's a clinton spokesperson saying that mrs. clinton "did not send or receive any e-mails that were marked classified at the time." and i'm wondering if you got any sense from talking to your sources about this story, i was thinking about john deutsche, former cia director who basically lost his job for

bringing home classified materials. was there any point of vulnerability about thissish thu w -- this issue in talking to your sources? >> sourced are concerned that are in the intelligence community are concerned about, again, that possibility of hacking, the possibility of unknown access. and this material falling into the wrong hands. that's the number one primary concern. there are a lot of interesting cases, david petraeus, sandybergsandyberg -- sandy berger and did they knowingly release classified information and pass it on to somebody? did they willfully take it out of secure holding or storage? in this case, really both the ig and the fbi are trying to figure out is this material secure now? has it been secure?

let's make sure it doesn't fall into enemy hands. >> just the beginning of this investigation. you can read the full story at washingtonpost.com. thanks so much. good to see you. >> thank you. >> up next, there's already speculation that carly fiorina could be a break out star of the happy hour debate tonight. the presidential candidate joins us next. no student's ever photographed mean ms. colegrove.

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months out? >> well, first of all, these are national polls, as you know, joe. national polls measure among other things name id about 40% of republicans have heard my name. in other words, a vast majority of republican voters, never mind americans, still don't know who i am. so that's not unexpected considering i'm not a professional politician. also, you know, in 2007 i think rudy giuliani was burning up the polls. as you point out, you have a long way to go here. it's a long race. i look forward to the happy hour debate. >> what's the message you hope to get out in the happy hour debate? >> you know, people are frustrated, dispinappointed or

angry. the political class has let you down. i don't come from the political class. i think we need a president now who understands how the economy works, how the world works and who's in it. bureaucracies have to hold them accountable and cut them down to size. technology. i think we need a l leader in t white house who understands the job is to challenge the status quo of politics as usual. every problem that we republicans talk about has been around for 25 or 30 years. it's no the that we don't have good ideas. we have great ideas. it's just that they never get implemented. if we want to actually change it, we have to change the kind of leader we put in the white house. >> miss fiorina, there's a lot going on, as you know, out there dealing with it every day during your campaign. would you -- two questions -- would you vote against funding? you would vote to defund planned parenthood? and would you vote for a five or

six cents increase in the gasoline tax? >> yes, i would vote to defund planned parenthood. these videotapes are an abomination and the explanation we're getting out of planned parenthood are insulting. total lyn sulting. no, i would not vote to increase the gas tax. isn't it interesting that federal government always needs more money to do anything important? roads and bridges are one of the most important responsibilities of federal government and yet somehow despite the fact that they spend more and more and more money every year, they don't have enough money to do anything important. this is what's wrong with washington. it's why we have to go to zero base budgeting so we actually know how our money is being spent and we can prioritize spending on money. if every time the government has something important to do they get to ask for more money from the taxpayers, we're not changing anything. >> boy, you talked about a revolution, willie. zero base budgeting. >> yes. >> i hear that from one ceo

after another ceo after another ceo they say why don't do you zero base budgeting? why don't they justify every year what they spend. >> that's right. you now hoe iknow how i'd get t. i'd tell them to take out their smart phones. do you believe we need to know where every dollar is being spent. spend one for yes, sir and two for know. they will vote one for yes and that puts pressure on the be political system. technology is a great tool that can be used to re-engage citizens if the process of the government. it's also a weapon that is being used against us as we know from all the data breaches from the chinese and hillary clinton, of course, doesn't understand that technology well enough to know that her server has most assuredly been hacked because secret service agents can't protect it from being hacked. >> carly, it's willie geist. we were talking about your

performance in new hampshire. one of the criticisms you'll hear not just you but governors as well who run states say what do they know about foreign policy? so i'd ask you, what would you do to defeat isis and president obama and the united states government is not doing now? >> well, president obama always presents the world and americans with the false choice. go to war, do what i'm not doing. i know more world leaders on the stage today than anyone running with the possible exception of hillary clinton. on only i don't photo ops. i understand this is their fight. isis is their fight. they want to see leadership and support and resolve from the united states. so i would hold a campaign summit immediately. not to talk our arab allies into a bad deal with iran but to say what do you need from us? and specifically they asked for very clear things for us. king abdullah asked for bombs and material.

so he's going to china. the kurds asked us to arm them for three years, we haven't done ifrment the egyptians asked us to share intelligence. saudis, egyptians, kurds, jordanians are all fighting isis on the ground as we speak. the kuwaitis, the emirates know this is their fight. do we need more special forces? yes. do we need bombing runs that are more effective? yes. but what we need first and foremost is to stand behind our allies, give them what they have asked us for and let them fight this fi. it's important to remember they have lost more citizens at the hand of isis than anyone else. >> harold ford. staying on willie's line of thinking. you would vote for or against the iranian deal? if you voted against it, what you would offer quickly in place of it? two, when isis front, would you commit to putting troops on the ground? >> first of all, i would never discount the possibility of troops.

but we also are not at that point yet. i believe if we appropriate support our allies, we will not get to that point. that is the false choice that obama offers. with regard to the iranian deal, of course i would vote against it. this is a terrible deal. my first day in the oval office i would make two phone calls. one would be to bb netanyahu, my good friend to reassure him we'll stand with the state of israel. the other is to the supreme leader of iran who might not take my faen caphone call. until you open every military and nuclear facility to full and unfet feddered inspections, we'll make it as difficult for you to move money around the global financial system. the reason that's important is even if congress votes against this deal, and i earnestly hope they will, for no other ran than to tell this president that once again he has stepped beyond, but even if they vote against it, the rest of the world has moved on. china, russia, the europeans,

money is flowing to iran even as we speak. and so we have to stop the money flow. >> all right. carly, thank you so much for being us with. good luck at the happy hour debate. keep the scotch away from lindsey graham and everything ought to go well. >> thank you guys. nice to be with you. bye-bye. >> thank you. >> i'm sorry, how good is she? >> i think she is -- >> americans -- republicans need to have her on stage. >> yep. >> i mean, you know, you asked that question about isis and half the people would have said -- you would have heard the same answer. we need to go and kill them there instead of them killing us here. she goes through it in a way that very few other candidates in this race co. >> if you pay attention and listen closely, she's been saying these things for a long time. she's having trouble getting her voice through the noise. >> she's g she's really good. >> still ahead, a top jewish lawmaker opposing the nuclear deal with iran.

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we should all acquit ourselves in a way we believe is consistent with the teachings that we follow if we follow certain teachings for religious perspective. that's what i'll always try do. for instance, i'm a catholic. but i've used birth control. and not just the rhythm method, okay?

so you know -- >> what is he doing? very personal. very personal sharing. >> come on, man. how you doing, willie? >> a lot of sharing there from the governor. >> take it away. >> let's just not do that. welcome back to "morning joe." we have mike barnicle here. we have cysten fr en frokristen echelon. we have chuck todd us with. we had an advertisement for what is going on at the debate may not make a the love sense. we had car lee fear recarly fio the isis question as good or better than anybody i heard in the entire campaign. she's going to be in the so-called happy hour debate. i don't know that matters in the

end. but, gosh, there just seems like there could have been a better way to get this done. >> you know, look, i -- it is -- on one hand i agree. on the other hand, it's easy to backseat drive fox having the first debate with all the candidates. i'm surprised they didn't use the opportunity to make two nights, two prime time events, split it up into two evenly debated. >> you're the first debate. the part that is disconcerting is the party is ready to get rid of the prime straw. so did the fox greenroom as far as deciding the debate. the straw poll was about sending money to the state party in iowa which then in turn could be used for actually winning the state some day if you're the republican. so that's the part of it i think

being the first debate going through this process when you're in two, three, four at some point you want -- i can tell you this you wouldn't want more than ten candidates on the stage. >> it's tough either way. >> it is. as chuck said, easy for us to sit here. what the alternatives were, somebody is going to be unhappy. look at what that stage is going to look like tomorrow night. ten candidates selected for the main event. seven candidates appearing on the undercard which will air a few hours earlier. this is how they'll appear on that later debate stage. the order has changed a bit, national polling has had nine of the ten candidates in the debate since the rules were announced in may. across the five national polls used to decide who is in, what separated john kasich from rick perry who is out was the opinion of about 50 people. 2012 iowa caucus winner rick santorum spoke and said this the idea they left out the runner up for the 2012 nomination, the former four term governor of texas, governor of louisiana,

the first female fortune 50 ceo and the three term senator from south carolina due to polling seven months before a single vote is cast is proposterous. donald trump entered tomorrow night's debate as the top seed in candidate if we're seeding them. last night he talked about his approach. >> are you rehearsing? >> not really, bill. i don't know how you can rehearse from -- for a debate. i watched romney, mitt romney. he let us down last time. he rehearsed. you have to be who you are. i don't have any pollsters. i know the other folks have pollsters and everything has to be just perfect. the fact is the pollsters oftentimes they don't work. if they were any good, why aren't they running? i'm not looking to hurt anybody. i'm not looking to embarrass anybody f i have to bring up deficiencies, i'll bring up deficiencies. but i'm not looking to do. that i'd rather go straight down the middle. you don't know what's going to happen. >> what are we expecting from donald trumtrump?

>> he's determined to do what he just said. he's been -- he was mild mannered on sunday. he was mild mannered with you. i think, look, it's in his best interest to do that. if a lot of people are tuning in, it's probably going to be the highest rated primary debate in cable tv history. and the assumption, why are people tuning in? they think there is going to be fireworks and he's going to say this and oh, my god what is trump going to say next? what if he's no that. what if he he is what he is. boy, i bet you'll have people tune in and say wow, the media said he was this and that and this. i didn't see that tonight. if he does as promised, he surpasses a very low bar rather easily. >> i think we might be reading this the wrong way in terms of the happy hour debate. there could be a advantage for the candidates not having to go

against trump. if he takes one or two or three down this the debate sh the happy hour debaters -- >> it's like gladiator. >> throw one out of the ring. >> i agree with you. they might be reading this wrong. this could be a serious advantage. but you're right, the bar is set very low for donald trump. his campaign is very good at lowering expectations. >> it really has. a lot more oxygen in that happy our debate. >> there is going to be a big opportunity for what i think is a really impressive slate of folks who are in that undercard debate to again try to come up with some kind of moment that gives them that boost of energy they need to then make it into the top of the pack perhaps for the next debate. so i think the idea though that donald trump lowered expectations is right on the money. if he goes out there and doesn't say anything really offensive and is able to go more than one sentence deep on questions about

things like isis, i think a lot of folks in the establishment will be pretty surprised at that performance. i also don't know that he'll have the power to take down anybody in the field. i think, you know, he used this euphemism pointing out deficiencies. that is the most elegant way to say i might attack my opponents that i ever heard. i think it will be hard for donald trum top take anyone out on their own, precisely because the things that animate his appeal are so fundamentally different from what any of the other folks on the stage, you know, where they're drawing their support from. >> chuck touched on something that we talked about privately yesterday which was that call it the last week or, so it's all relative with donald trump. he seemed to moderated himself just a little bit. you hear him on meet the press and on our show, he is throwing fewer bombs. he is still being donald trump. but the outrageous comments i think maybe he's starting to take this a little more seriously when he sees himself in the polls and managing expectations.

>> there's a short play. the guy from brooklyn and queens coming into manhattan to grab attention. then there's the long play where you have to start giving contributions to hillary clin delinquent and other people you don't vote for and you have to moderate your behavior which donald trum dp masterfully to become such a successful real estate tycoon in manhattan. it's the same thing -- there's a short play. get everybody's attention. he's doubling jeb bush in all these polls. and now maybe he starts the long play. >> well, i mean, we've seen him, i think and my ear thins we've seen him moderate his behavior and language over the past week and a half just when he's called in here. to me, the question is going to be on the undercard as doran raised the issue z rick perry go complete donald on donald when donald is not on the stage at the undercard hoping to crash into the coverage of the debate later in the evening? >> yeah.

>> i mean it could be. chuck, we were talking about it before. there are a lot of people tuning into this debate much it's going to be a massive debate you think as far as audience goes. but the next day if somebody delivers a great line or great line of attack in the undercard, we're going to all give that as much coverage as whether it came in prime time or not. >> look, maybe. i get -- i think there is an opportunity with the undercard. i think there is an opportunity for one candidate. that is my point. if one shines, then yes there is an opportunity. and the undercard debate becomes better if for some reason the main event devolves into some sort of spit ball fight. but what if the main event is on a higher plain, is where you look around and say okay these are ten impressive candidates? then the undercard may go away.

i think it's the right thing for us to say there is an opportunity with the undercard. i think there s but i think it's a small opportunity. there's every chance in the world that what we just saw yesterday with fox's decision to go ten and then the other seven is that the other seven, this may be the beginning of the end, too. >> let's look at interesting polling about support for the republican candidates from chuck and everybody at nbc news taking a deep dive into where candidates are getting support. looking at the breakdown of the top candidates ideological support, donald trump has support across groups that identify as very conservative, conservative and moderate. jeb bush -- >> wait. willie, that's unbelievable. i mean you have everybody else is split. look at jeb. only 3% from very conservative. everybody else is split. donald straight across. other than marco. marco is pretty consistent. 8, 8, 8. >> chuck, how do you explain the

numbers? >> willie, this has been the same thing in every poll i've seen with trump. there isn't, you know, there's been this assumption that it's tea party that, it's very conservative. you look at the numbers and what's resonating for him is he's the anti-politician. guess what? that message matters to all of them. >> christen, name another republican candidate in a primary that's done that in a while. >> donald trump has a lot of ways to become donald trump voters. whether it's they like his position on immigration and they think it's hard line and that's where they are, those are the very conservatives. then for the moderates, you have folks disgusted with the whole thing and they like that he's different. there are lots of different

types after paof appeal that do trump can v because he's able to poll from a number of different pools of voters unlike the other candidates that are trying to maximize one slice of the pie, that's why i think in this really fractured field he's able to reach into the 20-some, 20, 25% field. >> jeb bush struggling with the very conservative voters. only 3% of those if you look at those numbers. on the democratic side, a new poll in new hampshire shows bernie sanders just six points back of hillary clinton and about a tenth of a point outside the margin of error. a statistical tie with secretary clinton. taking a look at the same poll perfect may, sanders has made up big ground with elizabeth warren out the survey. when it come to issues, secretary clinton beats bernie sanders when it comes to the economy, terrorism and health care. most democrats think she's the

stronger leader as has the right experience. there is some questions, 55% say that senator sander is the most free throw gr progressive and one-third called clinton the least honest. >> something you don't want to see. chuck, the clinton foundation. we heard much to do about nothing. it's not going to have an impact. we heard the same thing about the server. is the clinton campaign starting to understand they have a serious problem here or do they not have a serious problem? with a guy like bernie sanders with a margin of error in the most important primary state. >> right. look, you know, they would say oh, that's the neighboring state of bernie sanders and this or that. look, you got -- the campaign is taking it seriously. there's two million reasons why you should say that.

they put up a million dollars of ads in august. i guarantee you this was not in the playbook two months ago. they were going to go up on the air in august and have to start spending their money. so look, they have problems. that was the thing. when we looked deep in our poll and saw the cross tabs and saw the erosion of support among some of her key voting groups including a lot of different women demographic groups, married women, white women, older women and younger women, you realize why they're on the air and why they're on the air with a dorothy ad. >> dorian, bernie sanders? >> i think we see in the poll the shift of support from elizabeth warren. you can reasonably iner if that those folks went to bernie sanders. they're looking for a more progressive alternative from bill clinton. joe biden's name was on that poll. that was before there were the really strong rumors of him

thinking about jumping in the race. it will be interesting to see in the next generation of the polls where joe biden stands. i think that bodes even more trouble for secretary clinton's campaign. >> so the "new york times" today on the front page says that friends worry that iran could actually damage his legacy. you've known joe for a very long time. do you think joe is going to run? >> no, i don't. >> why's that? >> well, i -- i don't know that he feels he has the energy at this stage to run. i mean getting people together to coordinate a presidential campaign. it's an enormous task. he is vice president of the united states. he already has an enormous task. he's one of the few people the president truly relies on with regard to the middle east. he is a constant counselor to the president. he would have to raise an enormous amount of money and i think at the end of the day not just him but the people closest to him, around him, i mean do

they really want him at the twi li twilight of his political career to lose to the clintons? >> and willie, there is a report this morning that his sister who, of course, helps run all his campaigns says she hasn't had a single conversation with him about running for president. >> yeah. i mean, i would say mike barnicle probably is most familiar at this table with his thinking more than any of us. so i take barnicle's word on it. but you did write in a piece for the daily beast that most of what maureen dowd reported in her column on sunday was based in some truth about conversations that were happening inside the biden family. >> i understand that to be completely accurate. completely true. but it's one thing to talk about it and it's quite another thing to pull the trigger and pulling together a presidential campaign at this stage. >> let them say about me when i'm gone when you said about mao

republic maureen dowd's column that some of it is based on truth. it is a standard that i can live by. >> all right. >> some of it is based on some truth. zbh those conversations did happen. all right. >> absolutely. maureen is absolutely accurate in her assumption. >> absolutely. absolutely. >> we love maureen. >> all right. in a few hours, president obama once again will try to make the case for law makers to support his historic nuclear deal with iran. the speech will take place at american university in washington. the white house says president obama will argue the nuclear deal is the most important foreign policy debate since it rack war. yesterday the president met with more than 20 lead erdz ers of t jewish leaders urging them to support the agreement. and president obama learned three democratic senators switched from undecided to now supporting the deal. but three promise nenlt jewish members of congress say they'll not support the agreement that, includes steve israel. he is the top jewish democrat in the house. and israeli prime minister

benjamin netanyahu continuing to weigh in making his own appeal to jews here in the united states. disputing the white house claim that deal makes the world safer. >> i don't oppose this deal because i want war. i oppose this deal because i want to prevent war. and this deal will bring war. it will feed iran's terrorism and aggression. that would make war. perhaps the most horrific war of all far more likely. what we do affects our lives and lives of our children and grandchildren in israel, in america, everywhere. this is a time to stand up and be counted. oppose this dangerous deal. >> we had actually chuck todd steve israel on several times talking about this deal. he said he was going to sit, read it, study it, focus it. focus on it. a guy o who obviously had a big part in the dccc.

big part of the leadership in the democratic party and top ranking jewish democrat now coming out saying he's against the deal. should we read anything in the tea leaves there or are they just -- are they at this point counting votes and telling those members who can get a pass yeah, you get a pass on this? >> well, i think that's where we're at. i don't think some people understand the enormous pressure that jewish democratic members of congress are feeling particularly in the new york area. chuck schumer, here's what i think it does tell us. i think it's more likely than not that schumer votes against the deal. and that probably means that gillibrand votes against it, probably means booker votes against it. so i think you're going to see a lot of the lawmakers in the new york area facing enormous personal pressure. it's not like they're getting calls. they're seeing some of the folks that are very much against the deal. but an important thing for the white house, i think of all three that came out in support yesterday, i think tim cane is

the most meaningful there. i they with you always thought nelson was going to be there and boxer was going to be there. but losing cane who had been a loud skeptic of the negotiations early on would have been a devastating blow. when you start counting votes in the senate, you see there is a veto proof. there what the president is doing, the thung that i've taken away in all the polling on iran on the deal is notice that it depends on how you ask the question which way it goes. well what does that tell you? it means it's a very persuadable issue. the public hasn't solidified in how it feels about the deal. i think this speech is very important for the president to do well if you wants to have success. >> you know, i rarely go out at night and have dinner. i was invited by a friend to a dinner party. i had no good excuse to not go. so i needed to go. and there were a lot of thought leaders nationally, internationally. i sat there and listened.

i thought i'm the oem republican here. this is going to get ugly fast. i'm going to eat my macaroni and cheese and leave. about -- we didn't have macaroni and cheese. about 20 minutes into it, i said oh, my god. everybody sounds conservative. they started talking about the iran deal. i was stunned, stunned at the vehemence, the anger against president obama. i was like the only republican in the room. and they were so angry at the deal. so angry at john kerry. so angry that the united states had been put in this position. the only reason i remember that is chuck todd is talking about the personal pressure that these members in new york must be feeling. i was stunned. and about half way through the dinner, i said my god this is the first conservative group i've been around at a dinner party in new york in a decade.

we need to talk about iran more. but there has to be tremendous pressure against this deal. >> i think there is tremendous pressure. i wouldn't generalize too much from that, joe. that's a very new york specific set p influencers. as chuck pointed out, public opinion is still malleable. so that gives an out for some senators that get wrangled by the white house to vote and they can say well the public thinks this or doesn't think this. they have an out despite that personal pressure. despite big donor pressure depending on where they're coming from. there is still a lot of wiggle room for democrats in the senate and frankly in, the house outside of new york. >> but, chuck, i have to believe though, outside of new york and middle america and also in places like florida, this can't be a popular deal. >> look, it's not. if you looked at public opinion over the last six months on iran, you know, the public was essentially agreeing with both positions. meaning, they believe diplomacy had to be done at almost all

cost. they didn't trust the iranians. one of the two basic arguments still. the president saying you got to give diplomacy a chance. you have to do this. and i think the most effective argument against the deal you is can't trust the iranians, look what they'll do with the money. and that's why the public is split. that's why there's nobody excited about this deal. okay? there's clearly more anger. what you don't see, there isn't a balance of the man this is a great deal. you haven't heard anybody say this is a great deal. you're saying this say workable deal. it's about the best argument you hear for it. but i think it's simply because the public -- i do think the president should be acknowledging the fact that this isn't a perfect deal more often. i feel like they oversell the deal sometimes and that can make it harder to convince steve israel to come onboard. >> all right. chuck todd, thanks so much. we'll see you soon. >> you got it. >> reminder, "morning joe" is live in cleveland friday morning to break down all the key moments of both of those

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the same factors fueling the rise of donald trump are causing gridlock in the senate because the far right-wing is controlling the republican party from trump on down or one up, however you want to say it. here in the senate, we've wasted weeks and weeks and weeks in fighting and desperation to peace a right-wing. >> just really kind of the leader of the democratic party. >> ladies and gentlemen, the leader of the democratic party in the senate. your leader harry reid.

going to miss him when he's gone when he retires from the senate. when is that going to be? >> next year. >> going to miss him. >> yeah. harry is going home to good fortune nevada. >> let's bring in the chairman of the senate republican conversation john thune of south dakota. first, john, good morning. why don't you respond to harry reid? >> good morning, joe. look, if you look at what the senate has done in the first seven months of the year, we passed trade promotion authority, we passed major education reform bill here a couple weeks ago. we passed a multiyear highway deal. moved some medicare reforms, passed a budget for the first time in a number of years. and the appropriations committee for the first time in six years has reported out all 12 appropriation bills. so it's been a very busy and productive time. the democrats on the other hand, have indicated that they're going to block all the appropriation bills and try to create a big spending fight coming up in the fall. so the republicans have been moving forward with an agenda here in the senate.

we think we've been productive. we think we've put up a record of accomplishment that is good for the american people. we'll stay focused on those. >> senators, i don't think it matters whether you're driving through south dakota or worcester, massachusetts, or wherever, but this country is falling apart. bridges and roads crumbling. tom friedman raises an interesting issue in today's "new york times." the last time the gas tax was raised to support the federal highway fund was 1993. gasoline prices have come down enormously in the last two years. is there any chance, would you support a nickel increase in the federal gas tax in order to rebuild parts of america? >> i don't think i'll have that option this time. there is no appetite for a fuel tax increase. we have to confront the issue of rebuilding infrastructure. there is something there ought to be widespread agreement on among both democrats and republicans. in fact, the vote last week in the senate, we got 65 votes for

a multiyear highway bill funded without a tax increase. now it's up to the house of representatives to move their bill. but we can get the things done that we need to do for the good of this country. question do a multiyear bill without a gas tax increase. i don't think there is any political appetite at the time for doing that. >> how is it funded without a gas tax increase? what is the funding? >> other offsets, look for reductions in spending elsewhere in the budget and came up with a series of things that provided the necessary funding in addition to what comes in through the gas tax into the highway trust fund which has been falling short. as you said, it's been 1993 since that issue has been addressed. that is an issue that has to be dealt with at some point in the future. we can do a multiyear bill today without a gas tax increase and we ought to move forward it with. >> senator thune, willie geist. good to see you this morning. there is a big republican debate tomorrow night in cleveland where 16 candidates from your party will get together.

i wonder what your reaction has been as you watched this unfold and each poll shows donald trump's lead growing where he is doubling everybody nationally in polls and winning almost every major state. what is your reaction? >> it's been remarkable, willie, to watch. you know, donald trump is the anti-politician. and i think that's right now there's a -- he's a magnet for people across this country who are looking for somebody who is talking about ending politics as usual in washington, d.c. whether he can sustain that or not remains to be seen. more power to him. it's a free country. we have a lot of people who are running. remember this is the first quarter in what is a very long game. and so there are going to be a lot of hands to be played. tomorrow night will be an interesting opportunity for all those candidates to get heard for the first time at least in that sort of a setting. we'll see how they perform and how the race shapes up. ultimately, i think what will decide this is issues and

positions and vision for the future of the country. and donald trump is going to have to answer hard questions and, you know, have to be subject to a whole lot of scrutiny about people around this country who want to know what that vision for the future is. >> if the leads hold, senator, will you be comfortable with donald trump as nominee for your party? >> if he's the choice, absolutely. i mean we'll work hard to elect a republican president. i think he is at least at the moment performing quite well. like i said it,s a long campaign and race. we'll see where the campaign goes, how the candidates perform over time. you have to remember, this is a marathon, not a sprint. these candidates have lots of opportunities to try and impress and get their point across to the american people and try to win their vote. >> kristen? >> senator thune, the republicans took back the senate after the 2014 elections. they control the house. legislation is finally moving again and it seems like we're back if the governing business.

but without the white house it is hard to get everything done that maybe congressional republicans want to. what are some things you think are bills that are coming up that you all will be able to get through the house, get through the senate and that president will be able to sign? >> i think there are a handful of things. i mentioned a couple. we moved a multiyear highway bill. we moved an education reform bill. both of those have to be reconciled with versions that will come through the house. we're trying to get a cybersecurity bill across the senate floor right now. it will have an important vote on that this morning on whether or not we'll be able to proceed to. that those are three bills right there that i think if we can get them through congress can put them on the president's desk that he should sign into law. whether he does or not remains to be seen. i think those are all things that have bipartisan, broad bipartisan support. obviously, you know, there are other things we'll look at as we head into the fall and my committee that we work on, faa re-authorization, few other things. but i hope that we can actually get some things done for the good of the country. we know that the 16 campaigns are going to get underway here

pretty soon. that will start sucking the oxygen out of the atmosphere here in washington. but i think that to the degree that we can, we need to be moving that agenda forward. and so far this year in the united states senate we have been. we've had 70 bills pass the senate, 30 of them -- more than 30 of them signed into law about it president. we hope that there are more to come. >> senator john thune, always good to talk to you, sir. thanks. >> good tok with you. thank you. >> coming up, things did not go lenny kravitz' way. >> yeah. good segue. >> during a concert in stockholm, why he may rethink what he wears on stage for his next performance. we'll explain. >> it happens to us all the time. >> happened to me yesterday when i wore leather last week. >> look out. the lincoln summer the invitation is on.ere. get exceptional offers on the mkz sedan... the luxury small utility mkc

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the sec expected to approve a rule that would require companies to disclose the pay gap between chief executives and employees. many companies are not happy about this because it would require them to include more foreign workers than they'd like, to lowering the median wage recorded and thus widening the gap. they claim that data will not be as meaningful. >> and this from the "new york times," netflix announced a new policy that allows unlimited paternity leave for employees for the first year after a child's birth or adoption. employees are going to be able to set their own schedules in the year and continue to be paid

as usual. the chief talent officer at netflix explained in a post on the company's website this new policy combined with the unlimited time off allows employees to be supported during changes in hir lives and return to work more focused and dedicated. >> that's me. >> i this he we need unlimited time off. >> that's me. >> netflix leegd the way again. >> from the mississippi sun harold, robert gray is the democratic nominee for governor. gray is a truck driver who appears to have walked away with the election. he told the paper he didn't vote because he was busy. >> we understand that. >> he told an nbc affiliate reporter, he's been working as a truck driver and was not able to campaign aside from speaking at a couple of small gatherings. >> at truck stops. >> he says he's done no fund-raising and does not have a photo of himself. he beat out vicki slater who used to lead the trial legislation and had the backing of a number of statewide lead

aernz biggest newspaper in mississippi. he faces phil bryant this fall. >> and that's the age of trump. this willie, for "people" magazine. secretly lenny graph its und estimated the elasticity of his leather pants in a show in stockholm. it's not always better in sweden, willie. the 51-year-old rocker was kneeling down into a squat when he split his pants straight down the front revealing -- well, revealing way too much. he finished the song before walking backstage to change. >> yesterday central park, the leather pants on, i thought they were okay. same thing. >> mike, when you're on the bench with your sunglasses, i'm just not going -- i'm going to stop. willie, what do we have next? all right. let's move. >> i was going to say lenny kravitz gets away, on the list of coolest humans on earth, he is in everybody's top five. the question is he number one?

>> no. >> you don't think he is? >> number. >> have you met the man? >> yeah. >> but, no. >> does he deserve his tall snents. >> yes. >> but he's not the coolest. >> top five? >> top five. >> who is the coolest? >> george clooney. >> that's fair. he's in the conversation. >> i like jesus. i put him up there. >> now you lay that on us. all right. it's jesus. still ahead, republican senator bill cassidy has an a plus rating with the nra and democratic senator chris murphy was once called the nra's public enemy number one. yet, they're working together now in a way to combat mass shootings. they join us how to explain next on "morning joe." how much protein does your dog food have?

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joining us now from washington, chris murphy. >> also like lenny kravitz, wearing leather pants. >> is that right? >> this morning. you won't be able to see it on

the shot. and republican senator bill cassidy, they're the co-authors of a new bipartisan push for mental health reform. gentlemen, thank you so much for joining us. you couldn't be more different on the issue of guns. you said as much. there is not a lot you agree on. but you have found some common ground here. what it is? >> well, you know, listen, we both unfortunately come from states where we've had just enormous horrific tragedies with respect to gun violence. i don't think it's any secret that we're going to likely have trouble finding common ground in congress on gun laws over the course of the next couple years. but we absolutely can find common ground on fixing a very broken mental health system. so bill and i have been working for the last six months, conservative republican, progressive democrat to try to put together the first comprehensive reform of the nation's mental health laws. it's been introduced in the senate at least during the time that we've been there. we're focused on building capacity for in patient care, out patient care, trying to

bring together the physical health and mental health system and continuing to reduce discrimination. you know, hopefully we'll be able to breakthrough some of the inaction around these issues. that affect families and individuals suffering mental illness. >> chris, why is mental health ignored for so long? >> it's hard to understand why congress has taken a pass on this for so long. part of it is that we do need resources and it's hard to come up with those resources. this is an issue that really should unite both of our parties. every single member of the senate has a family member or a close friend who has been touched by mental illness. and we're spending and wasting a lot of money by warehousing people in prisons, by leaving people lingering in hospitals. we can save a lot of money if we fix this system. >> senator cassidy, what does this bill do if anything about access to mental health care? i understand the greater goal of providing mental health care but

access to mental health care for people? >> it asks states to report the outcome. now if the state is doing a really good job, the hope is that other states will imitate what the one is doing which looks so good. there is also grants in which we expand the number of mental health providers. right now there is an incredible shortage of mental health providers. there's an attempt to increase that number. that's a good start. we have more to do. but we also are going to increase the number of chris mentioned capacity for in patient beds. there is right now an incredible shortage of inpatient beds. so that's another thing we're doing to expand access. >> chris, you and i are both residence of connecticut. and obviously both touched in different ways about it horrors of newtown. i remember after newtown we all talked about the things that we needed to discuss, gun health, . it tushd into an ugly gun debate

meantal health got brushed aside. do you think america is ready to have this discussion now? >> i mean, i wish that we weren't having this debate over fixing our mental health system because of the gun tragedies. frankly, bill and i have been working on mixing our mental health system for a long time. it should be fixed because it's broken, period. we do have this political moment where people are paying attention and we would be fools not to take advantage of it. the fact is that people are mentally ill are much more likely to be the victims of gun violence than the perpetrators of it. but there's no doubt that by increasing capacity you're going to make it less likely that somebody is going to walk into a school or a movie theater who is very sick and cause this kind of damage. >> and senator, republicans in our party that you work with, do they understand the need to expand mental health? >> absolutely. if you speak to a sheriff, a sheriff will say that he is the largest provider of mental health in his county or in his

perish in louisiana we have perishes. and, you know, also say that oftentimes the person they have most trouble with within that system is he or she who is mentally ill. so who is mentally ill. this is neither a right or left issue. it is an american issue. we think we can find rationale from it but also from the societal perspective, we would rather have somebody who's first episode at 15 is recognized and redirected to a path of wholeness and wellness and gets a good job and pays taxes as opposed to become eventually something less than they could be. this is going to be an issue good for all of americans. >> all right, thank you so much. greatly appreciate you focusing on this serious, serious topic. we appreciate it. thank you so much, chris murphy and bill cassidy. coming up next, ray rice is looking to make a comeback in the nfl. why he deserves a second chance. we'll talk about that next.

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in the transcript, brady denies any involvement with the tampering of footballs in the afc title game. also ted wells saying he never warned the quarterback he would be penalized for not turning over his cell phone. roger goodell and brady expected to attend a settlement conference in court next week.

mike, how does this end? >> i think the federal judge gave us a pretty good road map how it might end. i think the judge is probably like most of us just as sick of this as everyone else is, saying negotiate a settle and get it done. >> think it gets knocked down to two games maybe? >> any settlement will involve a reduction in penalty. >> why wouldn't the nfl settle this thing, say two games? >> i don't know. it is misty fiing. >> okay, former ravens running back ray rice, is trying to make a comeback. here's rice speaking with "outside the lines." >> i'm not afraid to say right now i feel like i'm a rehabilitated man. some people will probably never forgive my actions but i think that every step i took going

forward right now, you know, over time i want to be able to rewrite the script and tell my daughter, daddy made the worst decision of his life. >> he talked about wanting to play again in the nfl. the question is, is there an nfl team willing to take this on? you'll get a lot of heat if you sign ray rice. it is worth it for the 28-year-old running back to come to his camp? >> his wife is supportive of him, wants him to play again. what do you think? >> i think he's still in really good shape especially since he took a year off. i think he can still do it. i think from a public relations standpoint, if you're an nfl team, it's not that he's an elite running back you take that chance, maybe bring him in as a backup. >> he's not adrian peterson. >> yeah. i don't think it's happening. >> really? >> i don't think so. >> you think this is going to be a defacto lifetime ban? >> he's not a top esh lon

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republican voters will be formerly introduced to the -- >> con, it's the tv version of your uncle's facebook feed. you didn't vote for him. i heard you. you didn't vote for him. >> pro, one of these people could be the next president of the united states. con, one of these people could be the next president of the united states. >> willie? >> mike? willie? >> william. >> it's william. good to see you. >> harold. good morning. >> how many kids do you have now? >> two. >> just two? >> just two but you had nine a couple of months ago. >> they are both under two which

seems like it's eight. my wife is a god sent. >> what would tim call them, irish twins? >> yeah. >> how many have you going to have? 14, 15 at this pace. >> we're on a good track. we've got a good clip going here. >> we'll see. you may think so. your wife doesn't. boy, we get a lot of news to talk about. we have gene robinson in washington. how are you doing? >> how are you doing, joe? >> where did you and donald dine last night? >> i think we have a date tonight in cleveland. >> okay, very good. we'll have pizza and eat it with a fork. remember that one? he won't be doing that. >> donald doesn't eat pizza with a fork. >> no. >> does he eat pizza? >> yes, he eats pizza, he's donald. >> he's a man of the people. >> we also have the co-founder

of the opinion research firm esh lon heights -- i'm really tired this morning. forgive me, kristen. holy cow. there's a reason we don't do prompter here. we get bernie sanders within six. >> new hampshire. >> in new hampshire. we've got, of course, donald trump, these extraordinary polls and fbi sniffing around with the server out in denver. >> that's not a helpful story for hillary clinton. >> it's notes a helpful story. you know they are investigating the system and not the person. yeah, whatever. okay so they are investigating the system but you know, when the fbi says that thumb drive, you know that thumb drive you have, you better hold on to that thumb drive because you're basically saying we're holding you accountable if that evidence is destroyed. >> according to the "washington post," the fbi did pay a visit

to david kendall the clinton's lawyer about the thumb drive to make sure it was secure. >> yeah. >> that's what i'm saying. you can read that article the way you want to read it, you know, they are investigating the system to make sure the protocols -- no, when the fbi starts sniffing around and asking about your servers. oh, by the way, you know that thumb drive you know you say has all e-mails on it, you're responsible tore making sure it's secure. you know, it's like -- i don't know. i would much rather have somebody call me and tell me i won the lottery. it's going to be very interesting. >> "washington post" had interesting questions about who set up and secured the server. were the people qualified what amounted to a state department server? >> i feel comfortable in saying the more you find out the uglier it gets because you know if you have 55,000 e-mails and just this small amount of e-mails all

right sent out, five intel agencies, we'll see where it ends up, maybe it's much ado about nothing. maybe donald trump will get out of the race in the next two days. >> that ain't happening. >> exactly. the stage is set. >> it is set. we're talking about of course the styx reunion tour. i've been waiting for that. >> in the fall, going to be amazing. >> before we get there, thursday night the republican debate in cleveland. first head to head event of the 2016 campaign. ten candidates selected based on the recent national polling. seven of them appear on the undercard which airs a few hours earlier. this is how they appear on pt debate stage. national polling has had nine of the ten candidates in the debate since the rules were announced in may. the odd man out just missing the cut, former texas governor rick perry in the debate as late as last week. he's been bumped by number ten, ohio governor john kasich.

>> listen, i'm not -- let's not be cynical about this. i'm sure everybody did this straight up, but you just kind of knew the sitting governor of ohio, harold, they were going to find a way for sitting governor of ohio to be in the race, to be in the debate. >> when he entered the race, to see him rise like he has it looks like a ncaa tournament, the team you didn't think would make it that far. you thought he had it in him and having served with him and nothing him, he's going to be a real force, not only tomorrow night but between now and come late january if he's able to continue this trajectory. >> neil king of the wall street journal, the five national polls decided to get into the debate, what separated kasich from perry, the opinion of about 50 people, 2012 iowa caucus winning spokesman said the idea they have left out the runner up for the 2012 nomination, four-term governor of texas and governor of louisiana, first female

fortune 50 ceo and three-term senator from south carolina due to following seven months before a single vote is cast is preposterous, from santorum. >> and three-term governor of new york state, that ain't nothing if you're a republican. >> do you agree with that analysis? >> yeah, i do. i think you have to have everybody in there. i do know this though, i do know know is that the -- the debate is going to be so crowded that there actually is some incentive in being in the under card. there aren't going to be -- it's not going to be like the beatles on ed sullivan. it will be the clips the next day. if you have a great punch, the great rhetorical flourish, it will be on the news the next day. this does seem to me, mike, one of those things where you can have an eventual person and

say -- let's say the final four, use ncaa analogy, that wasn't even if first debate. if i were a candidate and wasn't in the top tier, i would be upset but i don't think it matters in the end. if rick perry scores blows in the under card, we'll play it like the main debate. >> it's a thursday in august, it's not going to have a massive audience at 8:00, whenever the prime time debate is. if you say anything memorable or news worthy at 5:00 on the under card it's going to be on the next morning. >> gene, karl rove said that it was a press conference mass qa r raided in a debate. you can write out your attack against donald trump and not have donald trump on the stage to respond. then donald, you know will

respond afterwards because donald responds to attacks. you're the one in the news the next day. i know people love -- joe, can you tell me more stories? please tell me more stories when you were in congress. okay, i'll do it. you talked me into it, gene. my first debate, i was 30 years old and it was a green peace debate. i'm not going to a green peace debate but everybody went. i refused to and wrote this stinging anti-american anti-business, anti-everything, i refused to and said anybody that shows up on that stage is a disgrace to america. that was a headline. next day in the pensacola news journal, candidate -- it was like it was my first -- because i wasn't there. this is just an event. somebody can play the under card just as well and get just as much publicity. >> if somebody plays it really, really well, but if everybody on

the undercard is trying to say the most outrageous thing, preferably about trump in order to make the news, it becomes kind of a -- you know, a minor circus. frankly, i guess i disagree a bit in that frankly, this is about donald trump and i thnk it's going to be -- there's going to be an unusually large audience, yes, it's august. yes, it's the first debate. yes, theer receiptically people vrnt haven't focused on the race but they have focused on donald trump. i do think it matters to be on the big stage. once you get there, how do you play off of him? how do you get your message across without having it totally hijacked by this new force in the race? and it's going to be -- just be fascinating. >> what really is going to be fascinating, willie, this debate, i'm really -- and again,

it's fascinating because you're looking at trump, how is trump going to react? how is everybody going to respond to trump? pretty crazy. >> in keeping with the march madness theme, donald trump is the number one overall national seed heading into the debate, smack dab in the middle of that stage and last night he talked about his approach going into it. >> are you rehearsing? >> not really, bill. i don't know how you can rehearse from -- for a debate. i watched romney, mitt romney, he let us down last time he rehearsed. you have to be who you are. i don't have pollsters and other folks have pollsters and everything has to be perfect. often times they don't work. why aren't they running? i'm not looking to hurt anybody, embarrass anybody. if i have to bring up deficiencies, i'll bring up deficiencies but i'm not looking to do that. i'd rather go straight down the middle. you don't know what's going to happen. >> he's looking presidential. >> he's got the blue tie on --

>> looking presidential. >> let's talk about tomorrow night's debate. what will you look for beyond donald trump in terms of how other candidates have to react to him? >> i'll be looking to what extent they draw contrasts with people who are not donald trump. to what extent are they focusing any of their fire power on going after hillary clinton in trying to position themselves as here's where i differ from hillary clinton. but two, trying to differentiate themself from the nontrump other folks in the field. to what extent will somebody like a mike huckabee trying to draw contrast from ted cruz or john case itkasich go after jeb because they are looking at the same establishment part of the party. if you think about it like a bracket and who's competing for what slice of the pie, i'm interested to see how people position themselves not just against trump but against the other members of the field. >> kristen, conventional wisdom

for the last several months has been that this donald trump bubble is going to burst at some point but every time we look up there's a new poll that shows his leads widening nationally and very important early states. if it does pop, when and why? >> i think it depends on why he's risen so much in the polls. i don't know we have a lot of great information about that. some people i think support him because they like his rhetoric on immigration. i think some people like him because he sounds different. i think some people tell pollsters they are voting for him because he's the last they heard in the news. depending to what extent these other folks soundsing they are not quite politicians either. you have this first chapter of the presidential primary, all of the announcements then this summer, a vacuum, that vacuum got filled by donald trump. are we seeing the first page of the next chapter? are we moving into a phase where there's no longer a vacuum to be filled by trump and these other

candidates start coming out saying things that make headlines themselves in ate good way, hopefully and begin presenting more substance? >> says the republican -- says the republican because that's what i would say, hopefully. hopefully. all of these debates you hold your breath. as a republican we've been holding our breath since ronald ragen retired. make sure your sentences get -- >> you've got wallace and brett baird and megan kelly doing this thing. aren't they going to ask questions about the iranian deal and greece? i think trump is going to have to answer questions tonight, which in -- calls people domestic and stupid he disagrees with, he doesn't have a plan, doesn't have to rehearse. it will be curious to hear his plans for these things. that's where the kasiches and

walker and maybe rubios -- >> i think it's going to be a challenge for him. >> he's a smart guy but -- >> he is a very smart guy. they asked a question about the vouker rule and i'm not sure he had a grasp on it. you look at the response to it. i think that's a real challenge. and i think that -- we'll see if jeb shines there. we'll see in scott walker, if he can -- it really is going to be -- it's going to be really something to see the debate and who shines. >> and jeb and hillary clinton were actually at it yesterday talking about planned parenthood, a fifth video was released by the group claiming planned parent hood is profiting from feetal tissue and said the editing video shows no wrong doing by it's staff. the organization's funding is taking center stage in the race for 2016.

jeb bush suggested women's health issues are overfunded. for context, it came as he explained why he believed the federal government should end the support of planned parenthood. >> the argument against this is women's health's issues, it's a war on women and you're attacking women's health issues. you could take dollar for dollar -- i'm not sure we need a half billion dollars for women's health issues, but if you took dollar for dollar, there are many extraordinarily fine organizations, community health organizations that exist, federally sponsored community health organizations to provide quality care for women on a wide variety of health issues. but abortion should not be funded by the government, any government in my mind. >> governor bush's campaign quickly issued a follow upstatement that read in part, with regards to women's health funding broadly, i misspoke, there are countless community health centers and rural clinics and other health organizations that need to be fully funded. i was referring to the hard to

fathom $500 million in federal funding that goes to planned parenthood, an organization that was callously participating in the unthinkable practice of selling fetal organs. after the comment hillary clinton and jeb bush traded jabs and the democrat being front-runner went further on a campaign stop. >> jeb bush said he's not sure we need half a billion dollars for women's health issues. i'm reading it because i want to quote it exactly. now, he's got no problem giving billions away to super wealthy and powerful corporations but i guess women's health just isn't a priority for him. when you attack planned parenthood you attack women's health. when you attack women's health, you attack america's health. and the truth is, what jeb said the other republican candidates

believe too. >> the clinton campaign made immediate hey out of this, the follow-up correction from the bush campaign will not live on but we know the sound byte will. >> it will. and jeb was talking about planted parenthood, half a billion dollars. i think hillary overreached too. when she said you attack planned parenthood, you attack america. that's what she said. you attack women's health, when you attack women's health, you tack america's health. she's speaking for a very small, i think small section of the democratic party when she equates america's health with planned parenthood. there are many pro-choice people i know who scratch their his, why are we spending half a billion dollars on planted parenthood when we have all of these rural clinics that are having to close their doors and

can't serve women or men or children anymore? >> that's why i think jeb bush's rapid follow-up, even though it may not get the same air time that the video of his clip from nashville did, i think it's important that he followed up and followed up very quickly with that, that correction. but the nbc wall street journal poll that just came out this week showed planned parenthood has reasonably good favorables with the broader electorate. you saw hillary clinton saying these videos are disturbing and the poll numbers probably came in for her campaign over the weekend and she said now i can go out on a limb and stand in support of planned parenthood and i've got bernie sanders coming after me in new hampshire and need to get my base locked down. you can see the political machinations going on there that are making her suddenly come out, stand with planned parenthood. i think it is risky. these videos over time are going to fund tamentalally change the

way americans -- they provide tests and important health services. i don't like abortion but they provide some stuff i do like. these videos are so horrifying, as they get out there and more people see them, they will change the way people think about planned parenthood. >> bernie sanders surge continues in new hampshire, a new poll shows him within striking distance of hillary clinton there. plus, president obama will make his sharpest sales pitch yet on the iran deal. senator dick durbin joins us and counting the votes on the senate as democrats in congress defect and others are making up their minds. first, bill karins has a look at the forecast. >> good morning, storms yesterday, amazing that rolled through massachusetts. we had numerous tornawarnings a super cell thunderstorms and they did produce a lot of tree damage and wind damage and impressive pictures of hail too. this was something i isn't seen before, not only did it fall down on the house but it ripped the sod up in one big chunk, i

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♪ welcome back to "morning joe". >> and it's styx. >> right on cue. what seemed like a sure thing for infohillary clinton, new hampshire. it shows nearly a statistical tie. looking at the say poll from may, sanders made up big ground with elizabeth warren in the

survey. you pull her out and that lead shrinks for hillary clinton. on the issues clinton beats sanders when it comes to the economy, terrorism, illegal immigration and health care. and most democrats there think she's the stronger leader and has the right experience. there are still some questions. 55% of democrats say sanders is the most progressive and one third call clinton the least honest of those candidates. that 6-point margin is the same as it was last month. two months ago when elizabeth warren was in the poll, it was a huge lead for hillary clinton but now down to six points. >> any concern? >> naturally there has to be some concern. i think the campaign can take some comfort in looking at the numbers about leadership and the big issues health care and terrorism. we've all said around this set when big complicated tough things happen to the country around things that involve national security, that's when she benefits because she's viewed as a big -- >> the thing is, she's -- you've got a guy who's a socialist, a

declared socialist, that nobody took seriously. he's within six points of like this -- >> you look where -- in fairness, he's from that area, new hampshire has -- she won new hampshire eight years ago. i think she will find herself in -- once we get through this debate and summer gets through, she'll find herself in a good position. there's no doubt there's reason for concern. you heard campaign officials say we're not taking it lightly. this poll reinforces why -- >> it is early. it's the middle of summer, well ahead of the election. but this huge unrest and volatility out there in this country with regards to anyone who is a professional politician, bernie sanders is a professional politician who doesn't come off as a professional politician. he comes off as a variant of donald trump. in willie's memorable phrase

last week, the country is interested in issuing a huge middle finger warning to anybody who is a professional politician and that's what's going on in new hampshire and every state. >> new hampshire has a history of damaging front-runners, george h.w. bush because pat buchanan got within 8 points and gene mccarthy back in 1968. >> yeah. >> i'm sorry, if hillary doesn't beat a guy like bernie sanders by double digits, there are going to be a lot of questions. it's not just putting a win in the column. >> we'll see how the campaign develops but she might not beat him by double digits in new hampshire. people in new hampshire know bernie sanders a bit better than people in a lot of the rest of the country. i think they see socialist as semantic exercise, more than -- he's not, you know, son of

stalin, he's a senator who calls himself a socialist. i don't think that hurts in new hampshire. it might hurt him in other states. but he's a strong candidate there. i think it is right that there's an anti-politician feeling across the country. i think frankly the questions about the e-mail server are just a nagging thing that's going to drag per numbers a bit and we'll see if that progresses as the investigation progresses. it's not helping her. >> coming up, should joe biden run for president? some democrats put pressure on him to run, others worry it will damage his legacy. we'll ask senator dick durbin whether his friend from the senate should enter the fray? t.d. jakes joins us onset.

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my first day in the oval office, i would make two calls, one to netanyahu, my good friend and second to the supreme leader

of iran who might not take my phone call. but the message would be clear, there's a new deal and that is this. until you open every nuclear facility to unfettered inspections any time anywhere, we'll make it as difficult for you to move money around the global financial system. the reason that's important, even if congress votes against this deal, and i earnestly hope they will, if for no other reason to tell this president, once again he stepped beyond. even if they vote against it, the rest of the world has moved on. china, russians, europeans, money is flowing to iran even as we speak. >> that was presidential candidate carly fiorina with her take on the iran deal, which is what most republicans on capitol hill are feeling about the deal. let's go to capitol hill, we have the man responsible for counting the votes for the president, senator minority whip dick durbin of illinois, also joined by editorial writer for the "washington post," msnbc

contributor, jonathan capehart and mike barnicle as well. a couple of defections on the house side yesterday. but you picked up a couple of votes for support from democrats on the senate side. tell us about it. >> well, we had a meeting yesterday with the ambassadors from the p5plus 1 countries. as about 30 democratic senators sat down to quiz them for an hour, i looked across that table and thought for a moment. this is historic. there sit the ambassador from russia, the ambassador from china, the ambassador from the united kingdom, the dcms from germany and france. this is an amazing alliance that came together to stop iran from developing a nuclear weapon. we asked them point blank, if dong re-congress rejects, what's next? we're all in, we're finished.

we've done everything we can do with the sanctions to bring him to the table and we have a good agreement. let's move forward and enforce it. let's tell israel step up with us and make sure we enforce every letter of the law. >> there are concerns, zero bipartisan support. are you concerned about an international deal this important moving forward without any bipartisan support whatsoever? >> go back to april of this year. something happened that was historic. never had happened in the history of congress, never happened in our diplomatic history. 47 republican senators signed a letter to the ayatollah, the supreme leader in iran. what did it say? don't negotiate with the united states of america. if you reach a deal, congress is going to reject it. if congress doesn't reject it, the next president will not enforce it. unprecedented that 47 republicans would boldly say in the midst of these delicate negotiations, stop talking to the president of the united states of america. so it is any wonder that this is

a partisan issue today? >> but senator, you do -- you would agree with me, would you not, there are people of good faith on both sides of the aisle that are very concerned about this? i've heard few come out and say this is a great deal. there are even -- some of the strongest supporters have real reservations about the deal. i don't think it can just be framed as a part san issue, can it? >> be a student of history and look back when ronald reagan sat down with gorbachev. what did the right wing say? they called it a suicide pact in the national review and condemned him for sitting down with the enemy of the united states. >> you're proving my point that republicans attack even republican president, wasn't partisan. >> and reagan was right. how many times have i heard you extoll the virtues of reagan. he was right to sit down and reduce the likelihood of world war and did it despite the

criticism of his own party. >> also, i talked about one of the reasons and a lot of people talked about one of the reasons why ronald reagan was able to do in '87 and '88, sometimes it's better to walk away. you have a lot of great points why this deal should go through and republicans -- i guess my only point is, can't people of good faith disagree on whether this is a good deal for america or not? >> of course they can. of course they can. but what i'm asking them to do is step back and look at this moment in history. this moment when we can stop iran from developing a nuclear weapon. that not only protects israel from a nuclear threat but it protects us from an arms race in the middle east. when the gulf countries come forward and say they'll support it and military and intelligence leaders in israel are stepping up publicly and saying it's the right thing for israel security, then i think we have to say that

the president has seized the right moment to try to defuse this nuclear threat that could literally endanger that region of the world. >> senator, yesterday with the ambassadors from the countries p5+1 assembled, did you get a sense if the deal goes south how quickly the sanctions would evaporate and countries would begin doing business with iran. second part of the question is, did they meet with any republican senators? >> i don't know. i invited these ambassador to meet with the democratic senators so that they could ask them point blank the questions that were on their minds. they showed up and we did it for over an hour. whether there was a similar meeting with republicans, i'm sure they would be happy to meet with them. they have to take some initiative to show an interest in meeting with them. we did on the democratic side. our members are taking the time and asked that question that you ask. what's going to happen if congress rejects this deal? what's going to happen to

sanctions? what these ambassadors said, we came together as a coalition after 35 years, brought them to the table. we have a good agreement and to believe we can re inveinvent it tomorrow is naive as one of the ambassador says, it's far fetched. let's get into the world of reality. we have a chance for a real agreement and enforcement agreement with inspectors on the scene to keep iran from developing a nuclear weapon. the alternative is war. >> jonathan? >> senator durbin, you became the only member of the leadership to come out in favor of the bill. one senator who everyone is looking at to see what he's going to do is senator schumer. how damaging would it be to your efforts to whip up enough votes to pass it, how damaging would it be if senator schumer came out against the iran deal? >> chuck is my friend and know he is going through a painful but important process in

thinking both personally and politically about what the right thing to do is when it comes to this iran agreement. he said he'll take his time and do it professionally. i know he will. let me say this about our caucus. of course they respect senator schumer and i do too. but each of us is making this decision on an individual conscience basis. it reminds me of the vote on the iraq war, when 22 democrats, myself included stepped up and voepted against that invasion of iraq, whether or not there were going to be 20 or 19 or 25 made no difference. we voted in the best interest of the united states with our own conscience, that's what's going to happen here. no single senator will push six or ten votes over the finish line. >> dick durbin thanks for coming in. we love your strong opinions and hope you'll come back as this difficult task for you and the president continues. we're going to be debating it for a while i'm sure. thanks so much. >> thank you. >> coming up next, ministry reaches millions of people.

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you can't just wake up in the morning and say let me see what's going to happen today. i don't know what i'm going to do or going to cook. i don't know where i'm going to go. i just woke up. you should stay in the bed. give the day to somebody who's going to run after the destiny and give the day to somebody who has a plan, who has a strategy. because success is never an accident. if you don't want it, get out of my way. >> i love it, that was pastor of dallas megachurch, t.d. jakes. i want to talk about a lot of issue but let's talk about this book. i love what you say here. instinct is not enough. you've got to actually step into your purpose. tell us about it. >> i think it's very important, you can be instinctive and not

be intentional. you have to have a course for your life and plan for your life and sense of destiny. a lot of people are busy like rats running through a maze, but you can be busy and nonproductive and not purposeful. when you find your purpose, everything else lines up behind you. >> yourself right now, preaching this message to your flock, why is this so important? >> i see people in busyness and con torting themselves into what people need to be. what happened to the first half, haven't lived a productive one. if we waste time in the search, we've lost it all. >> isn't that more the case now than ever, being interrupted every seven seconds by texts, phone calls? >> it's addictive. it's absolutely addictive. i have to admit myself, i sleep

with the phone by the bed and having the propensity to cut it off so you can hear what your heart is it saying and what you need as a person. i'm shocked at how many people are busy and relatively successful but miserable. >> yeah. >> sometimes they are using the busyness as a drug to ignore the fact, that i don't think feel i'm living my life on purpose and doing things that are congruent with my heart and passion and my talents. >> jonathan? >> so then how do you break away? what are the pieces of advice you give people to be in the moment? >> one of the things is very important, you date yourself, you spend some time knowing yourself and find out what you really want and need. examine your passions, what your passionate about and what you jump out of the bed excited too do that you have energy and creativity in doing. if you don't have the creativity, the job or whatever it is becomes drujry and it shouldn't be like that. >> doesn't have to be professional, it could be

anything. you could be passionate about needle dg point, whatever. >> it could be what you do after work, your hobbies and interests. but if you're not living your life on purpose, you're wasting your precious commodity, which is time. you don't get any more. >> how do you get the too many to locate your purpose if you're surrounded by fear of where you live, fear of your children's safety, worry about your children's education, worry about your own job, not making enough money? how do you get to your purpose, your core with all of those other issues? >> i think when you find your purpose, all of those other things will extingish, you can get out of the community, you can get out of negativity and kre construct your life. i think people don't realize you can change your life. you can reconstruct your life. you don't have to be the person you've been. you can evolve as an individual. but you have to work on it. you have to be intentional about it. success is never accidental, it's always on purpose. >> we're coming up to the

one-year anniversary of ferguson, missouri. do you think race relations in this country are better today than they were three or four years ago? are they declining, getting worse? what do you think? >> we've done independent polls on that and it's very interesting. in many ways we're moving the dial in terms of we're being forced to discuss things that were hidden under the rug. while that discussion brings up april lot of pain, it's like going through counseling, i don't want to use pain as a suggestion that we're digressing. pains are very necessary. if you consider the racial divide as a gender divide in a marriage, if you don't talk to each other, you don't understand where you're coming from. you have a perspective and spouse has a perspective, if you don't talk and there's peace in the house, that doesn't always mean you're happy together. the fact that you're silent doesn't mean you're happy. whoever you're with, you have to

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