theater. as additional officer, the s.w.a.t. team entered that theater it was very thick with chemical spray with irritant. gas masks were brought into those officers as they attempted to get this person into custody. other officers had set up at the back of the theater. ultimately the suspect, who is -- i'm told was wearing a surgical mask came out of the back door of the theater. metro police officers at the back of the theater outside engaged him. he was shot, fatally wounded and has been pronounced deceased here at the scene. this person has been tentatively identified as a 51-year-old local man. his identity has not been confirmed. we are working to do that now. the actions of that first officer who went in the theater to engage this individual may well have saved multiple individuals inside that theater,

as officers worked to evacuate everyone in here. obviously this is an eight plex. there are eight theaters here. he remained confined we believe to that mad max theater after the first officer encountered him. the suspect remained inside the mad max showing and didn't go elsewhere. he was wearing a backpack on the front on his chest. the bomb squad, our hazardous device unit is still working on clearing the materials that he had with him. we know he had a gun. which we have not examined at this point. we know that he had a -- something between a hatchet and an ax. and then this backpack on the front of himself wearing a surgical mask. the mask may have been to try to negate the effects of the chemical spray he had brought

with him. >> was anybody shot inside the theater at all. >> the only person was shot was the suspect as he emerged out the rear door of that single movie theater. >> did the suspect say anything to people inside the theater? >> not that i'm aware of. >> we understand the bomb squad is on scene he had packages of some kind. >> well he had the backpack on his chest. wearing a backpack on his front. and he also had some other backpack or satchel with him. >> witnesses who were in the theater at the time have been taken to a location very nearby here at this mall. and are being interviewed. i don't have a report of his actions with them when the citizens first encountered him.

i do know when the sergeant first came up on the scene the three persons the man and two women were coming out. the man with the superficial wound we believe are from the ax and then the two women who had been doused in the face with the chemical spray. >> how long did all this play out over? >> the call to the police department was about 1:13. and officers were engaging that very very quickly, within two minutes. and then -- i don't have the precise time as to when he came out of theater. but suffice it to say the police response was swift. and this man was contained in this theater despite the pepper spray going off and everything else until he ultimately emerged out the back door. >> this police officer was obviously extremely brave. an example of a high class officer. talk about how he's doing right now. >> well, you know, in situations like this, police officers will tell you that their training kicks in.

the metro police department is highly trained in active-shooter situations. we have trained on it actually at the old bellevue mall here in the city. and this officer let his training kick in and his training was obviously very effective and it worked. >> when he came into the theaters did he give any indication he was a troubled individual or anything like that? did she say anything in. >> we are still putting that scenario together. i don't know what he may have said, if anything, here in the theater. we have report before he came to the theater he was somewhere else in a public place in this area and may have cuttuttered something. we are still investigating. >> do you know how badly wounded he might have been before he tried to escape? >> i do no not. >> do you know the race of nationality of this man. >> he's white. >> we also --

>> how many people were in the theater beyond the three? >> when the officer encountered him, we believe that he was the only one in there at that present time. although i must say the officers did not know that. the officer who encountered him first went up to the projection room and then tried to work his way down and ultimately came to a level where he encountered the gunman. and then when the s.w.a.t. team got in the room was full of this chemical irritant. it was somewhat cloudy in there. the entire theater has been cleared. there is no one with any substantive injury other than the suspect who was fatally wounded by met wrote police. >> did they -- when they were in the theater, he started spraying with the pepper, did the individuals flee the theater at that point? do you know? >> that is my supposition, yes. because when the sergeant arrived he was one of the first ones here. there were two officers here before him. but he was the first supervisor

here. and he encountered them just outside. >> is it possible the three people who were seen leaving were the only patrons in there watching the movie at the time is this. >> this particular film, i don't know. >> that's what i meant. in this theater. >> that's possible. that's possible. again, the witnesses are going to be giving statements at another location and doing that as we speak right now. >> >> who called 911? >> again, when this all started, police officers were working a crash just off on belle road just off movie theater property. persons ran to those officers to report a man with a gun and an ax. and i think there was also a phone call about that time as well. >> just to back up. the officer went inside the theater by himself, that is where he encountered the gunman was inside the theater. the mad max theater. >> you are correct. >> so this e whole event happened inside the theater. >> you are correct. >> and we don't know how many

were in the neither at the time? >> at this point i do not. >> [ inaudible ]. >> there could have been by one account -- again this is very preliminary. there could have been as many as 20 folks in this complex at the time. we have a number of witnesses who have been taken to a private facility here on the same property to be interviewed. i haven't been there at this point. so i don't know how many are there actually giving statements. >> 20 in the complex as opposed to going to mad max -- >> you are correct. you are correct. and that 20 is preliminary. it could go up or down. that is just an initial estimate. brian haas is here with the met metro fire department. he can talk about injuries to citizens they saw. >> i'm brian haas for the nashville fire department. we responded to a call of an active shooter.

fortunately after at least two or three searches at this point we've only been required to treat three patients. the first patient was a 58-year-old male. all three patients had been sprayed with some sort of irrita irritant, which we believe was a pepper spray, sprayed by the salient. the 58-year-old male also suffered from what was described as the superficial wound to his shoulder or arm from what may be a hatchet. and two women, a 53-year-old woman and 17-year-old woman also treated for exposure to pepper spray. they are going to be speaking to police about their experiences and what they saw. we're very, very grateful that we only have three pepper spray exposure cases to treat at this point. this could have been a lot worse. and we're extraordinarily pleased that the police response was so effective and quick on this. at this point we're going to stay on scene as long as it

takes until the police deem it safe. the bomb squad has done what they need to do. but at this point there are no transports. and all of the patients that we treated, we believe we've treated at this point. >> as the hazardous devices unit has examined the backpack that the suspect was wearing -- you were just hearing from both the nashville police department as well as the fire department. they were briefing. let's go back and continue listening in. >> -- a loud bang here in a short period of time, as the bomb squad works to insure that this backpack that he was wearing is indeed safe. there is also another bag/satchel on the inside that the bomb squad, the devices unit is also going to have to deal with. but in short order you are going

to hear an announcement about a noise that's going take place. that should not alarm you. that will be the bomb squad using its methods to render safe this back flpack that the suspe was wearing. the bomb squad has done their cursory investigation. they are not comfortable with this laying there. they are going to disrupt it. they are going to render it safe. you will hear an announcement over a p.a. that should not concern you. there will be a noise. it is my understanding it is the bag that he had on him when he came out. >> where is the bag now? >> at the back of the theater. >> what would you like to say to the public who knows about a shooting in louisiana at the movie theater. now they have this incident. should people be worried when they go to the movies tonight? >> i think nashvillians should

know they have a very brave police department a very well-trained police department. their training kicked in. they were here within a minute or two of this initial report. this guy was won find to one place. and as he came out of the theater, emerged from the theater, the officers engaged him and he was fatally wounded. the threat at this theater is over as far as an active individual. we'll now deal with the bag he brought him. >> when they deal with the this bomb. >> not -- >> sorry t bag when they detonate. >> the hazardous devices unit has certain procedures that it uses to render a bag safe, to render -- to disrupt something just to make sure that it doesn't pose any harm. doesn't pose any risk. that is what they are going to be using. but there will be a loud bang when that happened.

>> how much longer will the theater be closed and other areas for how long exactly? >> i don't know. i don't know. obviously there was significant discharge of chemical irritant, chemical spray inside the theater. i don't know what that is at this moment or how long it will take to dissipate or that type of thing. obviously there is also a satchel still inside the place that needs to be addressed. so i can't answer your question to a specific time. >> thank you. well that was a police press conference that you were hearing as well as the fire department in nashville giving an update t on a shooting in a movie theater outside of nashville, tennessee. authorities are now confirmed that the suspect is dead. a 51-year-old white male according to police. there are no fatalities and no major injuries. according to the fire department at least three people were exposed to some kind of irritant or what's been described as pepper spray. one of them also suffered a

superficial injury, again, possibly from a hatchet wound according to the fire department. joining me on the phone is msnbc law enforcement analyst and retired atf special agent jim kavanagh. great response by the police they were able to contain this. but there still remains an active scene with this possible backpack that that suspect was carrying and now they are trying to contain that and disrupt that according to the police. what can we expect in the coming hours, if you will. what is the bomb disposal team doing right now on that scene. >> they have going to move up to it. they have various methods they can use to disrupt and open the backpack remotely. you know, sound like a shotgun going off. or they can rip it open with the robot arms. they will open it up so they can

then approach it with their bomb suit and look into and it make sure it is not a bomb. and if it is not a bomb it will be quickly taken care of. if it is it will take a little more time for them to render it safe, as we say. of course there is always a danger when they are disrupting a package, if it really is a bomb, it could detonate as well. and that is why everybody is moved back and the bomb squad does their work. >> and we can see messages of what appears to be a special k-9 unit perhaps to identify other devices that may be on the scene. were you surprised of anything that was not said in that conference? we know the police have an identity of the shooter. they have identified him as the 51-year-old white male. they described him as the local man. and that he may have been spotted elsewhere in the area before he went into that theater. anything from that missing? were you surprised the police did not use the word terrorism

in describing this? >> no, but they gave us a lot of information there. when the officer said they were spotted in another area and may have encountered other citizens, he may have seemed unusual. maybe his behavior was unusual to some other citizens in the area. so, you know, i think the police spokesman is trying to say this is what we know now. we're trying to sort it together. he's a local man so they are going to be searching his house, his apartment, his vehicle and certainly all his possessions that he bought. and they have to search the cars in the parking lot, ayman because a person could come and also leave stuff in the parking lot that could harm someone. and an aurora shooter, he had his apartment rigged with explosives and a person can drop bombs around a venue like that. that's happened before. >> talk about the time line.

anything surprising about the fact that he went into this theater about, you know, 1:00 in the afternoon. it is a weekday. it is not particularly packed according to the police. does that shed light on to motivation or why he was there at that time? >> no i don't think so ayman. it is other than theaters are in the national news as places where there are shootings. so we do have sometimes a copy cat effect. and a person may be acting like that. also a theater is where citizens congregate in an enclosed space o. so a person bent on harm to just the public at large or whatever motive can find that at a place where people gather and a theater is one of those. so it will be interesting to see where he was spotted before, what that behavior was like. what comments he made and we may be able to discern some motive later in the day. is it mental illness. is it some kind of internationally inspired

terrorism motive? the internationally domestic response? is it crime? you know, what could it be. and so -- >> jim, i'm going to ask you to stick with us for a moment. we want to bring in nbc's mark potter who is now at the saep of that shooting. mark, if you could give us an update in terms of what you are seeing. >> reporter: well the area is still saled off and police have warned us that soon we're going to hear an announcement and probably a loud bang when they -- when the bomb squad blows up one of the knapsacks, the backpack that was being carried by the suspect. say said the team looking at that pack was uncomfortable. wouldn't explain why they are not comfortable or uncomfortable. so they are going to use their methods to blow it up safely. and we're expecting to hear

that. that backpack is in the back of the theater where the suspect himself emerged and was engaged by police and shot dead. and so we're still waiting for that to happen. we're also told that several witnesses, maybe 20, who were in the theater complex at the time are being held in another area nearby to be interviewed by police. one question still unanswered is how many people were in the particular theater where the incident occurred. there may not have been very many people. police said when they got to the scene, three people were running out of theater a man, 58 years old who appeared to have an injury, a superficial injury to his shoulder. also suffering from pepper spray exposure. and two women, a 52-year-old woman and a teenage girl also covered in pepper spray, that apparently had been sprayed by

the suspect in the theater and the theater was thick with noxious spray when the officers got in there and they had to don gas masks and eventually the shooter went out the back and he was engaged by police and shot dead. there was a moment where a lone officer went into the theater first. the suspect according to police shot at the officer, the officer shot at him. the officer was not injured. and the man went out the back and then was killed. they are making a point here that all of this was contained in one of the theater complexes -- one of the theaters within this complex of eight theaters. and they feel quite lucky that it only stayed in one place, did not spread to other theaters. they are crediting the officer for acting very quickly and bravely. and the officers in this area for moving very quickly to bring this to a head without it spreading. could have been much worse they say but they were able to

contain it. there were two officers in the area nearby dealing with a traffic accident when a couple of people from the theater actually ran -- or who knew what was going on ran up to them and told them what was happening. about the same time a call came into the police department and very quickly within just moments they were at the theater. so they responded quickly to the incident. and the point made by the fire department is people were tre treated on the scene. no serious injuries. no one was transported and the only casualty is the suspect himself who was shot dead. >> stick with us. we want to bring in -- eugene, thanks for joining us. talk to us about the time line situation right now of trying to piece the identity of who this individual was. now that he has been killed is that going to make it harder for

police to assess whether he was working alone, whether there was anyone else involved in this and what they have been his motivation, his triggering, for this attack? >> you can be sure that's what concerning them at this point to make sure he east the one and only attacker. there is no accomplice. and also weapons and packages and they are going through the place with a fine toothed comb. and also making sure that people that appear to be theater goers are in fact theater goers. i believe holmes tried to get out as a patron. so you have to be on guard and making sure there are no others involved. >> let's widen the discussion a little bit and we look at some recent movie theater shootings here in the united states. this is the third one. the one in louisiana last month at "train wreck." two were killed in that. nine injured. before the individual, the attacker, committed suicide.

we also had the incident in colorado in july 2012. 12 killed, 70 injured during the screening of the dark knight rises. is this going to change once again how americans go to the movie theaters? do we need to start looking at these public places differently in the wake of these types of threats and these types of attacks? >> well, it is impossible to protect against every attack. and movie theaters generally would be super safe places. but in in new era that we're living through, caution is warranted no platter where you are in the public place looking for suspicious conduct. if you think something bad is happening trust your instincts. get to a plals ce of safety. don't take anything for granted. cooperate with the police. and of course luckily here the police got here quickly. and the policing in the country has changed of course. in the hold days they were a little more laid back and they responded to these things.

if there was a way to talk somebody out, they had the way of just threatening violence. but this whole notion of the active shooters the police don't have the luxury and they are very exposed and very at risk having to go into a building they don't necessarily know the inside of. and don't know the contour os of the attack in terms of how many there are, and fortunately it looks like that the officer really did a heroic life-saving thing to go right in there. >> jim are you still with us? >> yeah. >> we learned from police this individual had a ghun with him. he also maybe appeared to have a hatchet or ax of some sort. we also know the police had a presence outside the theater doing something else that allowed them to respond so quickly. but then again the s.w.a.t. team responded and it was only when s.w.a.t. arrived they were able to engage the suspect. are these attacks becoming more elaborate? are they becoming more lethal in the ways that individuals are

kah iring them out that they require such a response from tactile teams like s.w.a.t.? >> absolutely. it comes on the heels of control. we're seeing this people who are attacking with rifles and explosives. look at james holmes in aurora. look at these guys who attacked this event in garland, texas. they are coming with rifles, it takes officers with rifles like s.w.a.t. or parole officers that are armed with rifles to repel them and stop them. if you are engaged with someone who has a rifle or multiple assailants with rifles and you just have a side arm. you are already losing the gun battle. once in a while if you are a great shot and everything is on your side you can come out. but generally you are already at a deficit. parole knows that. that is why officers carry long guns in their cars and they are responding aggressively like

eugene set. and they need those weapons and that quick response and they need the numbers in order to knock these killers and active shooters down. unfortunately we're seeing it too much. but that is what it's going to take. we've scene success by quick response of uniformed officers backed up by s.w.a.t. in multiple incidents recently. garland, texas. we saw it in austin texas when a guy was shooting at police headquarters. at dallas when the guy attacked the police headquarters. you saw it today. seeing it in lafayette, louisiana where the parole ran houser back into the theater and he killed himself. so it does take that response and it is showing that it's effective. but nevertheless a person who gets on a bunch of unarmed citizens and he has a rifle and a plan it can turn out awful like we saw in aurora colorado.

>> let's bring nbc's mark potter back. walk us through what we can expect in the coming hours into the evening. perhaps tomorrow morning. we know a local school was put under lockdown as well as a local mall nearby. >> this theater is in a mall. so yeah the whole mall is locked down and sealed off. there are a lot of other stores around. obviously they are going to first dispatch the backpack. they are going to interview the witnesses to learn more what they can and you as your guests are discussing they are going to try to figure more out about the suspect and his motive. he has been described tentatively as a 51-year-old local man. he is a white male. we don't have a name. the police have not given one to us. they say they are still working

on that. and so that is really their focus is to try -- and to determine if anyone else was involved. but, you know, looking at the body language of the police officers walking around this is a scene that appears to be con ta contained. no one hunkered down or in crouched position in heavy armor or anything like that so it looks under control. >> do we know if the lockdown has been lifted? >> the lockdown on the school? >> yeah. >> i don't know. i don't know. i'm in the center of the mall and can't see the school and not aware of what's happening with the school. >> we're going to be following this story and we expect to have more information when we come back right after the break. abet. shoots and burns its way into your day, i hear you. to everyone with this pain that makes ordinary tasks extraordinarily painful, i hear you.

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aircraft debris found on reunion island is indeed from mh-370. >> this marks the biggest development yet since the plane's disappearance. moments ago investigators in france detailed how they came to their conclusion. >> we were able to compare the debr debris, so the debris from what we had found as well as a wing flap from that specific plane. so these very strong presumptions can be confirmed by additional experts tomorrow. >> joining me now is security expert and former commercial pilate anthony roman and safety analyst and former ntsb investigator greg faith. thank you for joining us.

anthony, how were they able to reach this conclusion specifically about this piece? >> well, through forensic examination, of course. they physically inspect it and they use forensic techniques such as microscopic examination, chemical examination. and they also may use fiber optic examination with cameras on them to inspect the internal components of the part. there is also gross examination of the external portions to determine whether or not there may have been evidence of an explosion, evidence of a midair structural failure or evidence of an impact failure. and there can be various types of impact failure. what we would normally as lay people refer to as a "crash" or as a controlled water landing. >> as if former investigator yourself, greg, this is a small piece of the puzzle but what can

we learn about the possible scenarios of how that plane went down and why? >> we don't have enough of the aircraft wreckage. this is just a six to eight foot piece of the wreckage. the only thing you can really deduce from examination of this is the confirmation that it did come from a boingeing 777. it does confirm the airplane went into the water so it puts a lot of conspiracy theories to rest. but when you really examine it, the structural integrity, yeah it maintained structural integrity. that would suggest a low speed or low energy impact with the water. whether it was a quote crash or an intentional ditch, this isn't going to tell you until you have other parts of the wreckage or some main body wreckage perhaps the recorders.

>> i would believe there are other parts out there. when you look at the flaps, the other flight controls, those are the most fragile on an airplane. they were only held on by hinge brackets and etc. you are going to find those type of flight controls. they will be buoyant. they may be sub surface, just below the surface so they may be difficult to detect until they are washed up. -- >> so let me ask you. would you in a situation like this when you have found this debris, and i would say perhaps even accidently, the fact that it washed up on the shore, does this rejuvenate investigators to go back out in large numbers to deploy vessels and other navy assets to start looking again for debris? >> oh i believe it does. you know, the fact that this

part washed up on the island. it has been confirmed. i think it now gives them more hope as searchers to go out and find other floating type debris. it puts a different mental model to this. this could be sub surface. they are going to be probably scouring the area for pieces that are six to eight feet long and not large chunks of the airplane which they probably were trying to determine or at least use during the course of the initial searches. so i think this kind of debris puts a new mental model, a new mi mind set and determination to search the immediate area. >> and anthony, i want to show your viewers and you as well an animation of where the debris could have drifted in those 16 months. this is an animation you are seeing there. does this mean the debris field now could tend thousands of miles? >> it might mean that. it depends whether or not this

aircraft actually under went some type of structural failure during its decent or whether it began losing pieces during an attempted water landing or an attempted, quote/unquote crash. so it really depends on what the circumstances were at the time this aircraft is lost. clearly there will be a debris field. that debris field will extend -- could be hundreds, could be thousands of miles. but all of the models show, particularly the latest models, which included not only wind drift but current drift and when they added in the wave action, it brought all of the modelling towards reunion island and its sister islands. so it is very important and i think greg is right on point here, that we begin searching the waters directly around reunion island.

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we are also following the big news in presidential politics at this hour. all eyes are on cleveland as republican candidates arrive in the buckeye state hd ahead of tomorrow night's prime time debate. donald trump said he's hoping for a similar exchange of ideas but if attacked he will hit back. >> i don't to attack anybody. t maybe i'll be attacked and maybe not. i'd rather discuss the issues. if i'm attacked i'd have to do something back but i'd like it to be very civil. >> joining trump in the spotlight but for all the wrong reasons.

jeb bush who now says he misspoke in nashville yesterday. remarks immediately picked up by hillary clinton. for the latest i'm joined by political reporter at the "new york times," republican strategist and co-founder of. who has a biggest -- take a listen to this. >> i think the harsh language is wrong. i don't think politicians should pray on those fears and that anger and that angst. they should try to lift people up. >> so without rick perry on that stage, do you think we're going to see these two mix it up? >> i think definitely donald trump will be trying to point his finger over to governor jeb bush. and i believe governor jeb bush

is going try to stay above the fray of all this. but i will tell you there is a tab on his debate binder that says donald trump, in case he attacks go to page five. and there he will have probably a very humorous response or some sort of response back to donald trump. so i think you are going to see for both sides, that it is going to be. i think most will be looking at trump and bush and that exchange in particular. >> you don't think he should engage him? just laugh it off? what approach should he take? >> i think knowing governor bush i believe he will, again, stay above the fray. he will engage if necessary. but i think he will try to attempt to stay focused on the issues and the policies which is something that donald trump will need to respond. >> do you think they could also possible some of the viewers would want to see the governor roll up his sleeves and speak with the kind of candor that has worked for donald trump?

>> sure. i think that this is what i'm viewing as almost like a reality show for politics. i think you know what we need to be watching for is not only governor bush and him rolling up his sleeves in response to donald trump. i think we'd like to see christie go out and be on the attack. again, these candidates need their memorable moment and it is very critical. that is what's going to make the head lines and that is the only way they are going to be able to somewhat dominate the media. >> today the washington post is reporting on a phone call between bill clinton and donald trump. clinton encouraged trumps efforts to play a larger role in the republican party and even told trump hef was striking a cord with conservatives and a rising force on the right. >> classic. first of all bill clinton was right. >> incredible forsight there.

>> exactly. and imagine for a guy whoto be could by a two term president and be told to run for president. it's huge. >> let's talk about hill delibera clint quick. the rest of the republican field will no doubt desperately compete to differentiate in style but the truth is they don't differ in substance. do you agree with that? they may have a difference on styles but not necessarily on policy. >> it's hard. i have no idea what donald trump's policies are. i haven't seen a piece of paper or articulate any constructive policy. he may have them but i haven't seen it. so it is hard to know. >> how problematic were jeb's comments on women's health yesterday. no one has more ride oong solid

performance on tomorrow's debate than jeb bush. do you agree? >> i do. and first of all his comments he again came out right away with a statement saying that we need to be not providing these fundings basically for the community health centers when you are defunding planned parenthood. he came out very clear in his position. afterwards he does something that donald trump doesn't do. which he actually if he makes a mistake, he says it. so i don't think that is going impact because especially looking at the gruesome videos from planned parenthood. to that i think bush's tactic will need to be. he has to be spunky. he's a policy wonk. so for him being able to bring that humorous almost human side to governor jeb bush is going to be ib credibly important. but again they are going to have a short time to really articulate policy positions and a very short time also to come up with those one-liners that stick with those viewers who are watching the debates. >> and let's talk about the under card debate tomorrow.

is there any chance you see any of those candidates who are going to debate in the earlier hour breaking through from that discussion so that they can be part of the lead pack after the debates? is that even possible? and more importantly what would a candidate have to do to break out? let me bring nick a into that point. >> it's totally impossible. this poll was decided by a few hundred people around the country. it is not a good signifier. there is every opportunity for the under card to make it. >> so it is still a wide open race. >> i think so. >> thank you both for joining us. coming up, more on the breaking news out of tennessee where shots were fired today inside a movie theater outside of nashville.

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this hour after the suspected gunman was shot dead. moments ago police detonated a backpack left by the suspect but again at this hour they do say the situation is under control. officials issued an update on how the suspect was brought down. >> ultimately the suspect, who is -- i'm told was wearing a surgical mask, came out of the back door of the theater. metro police officers at the back of the theater at this mad max theater outside engaged him. he has been shot, fatally wounded and pronounced dead here at the scene. he ea he's been tentatively identified as the 51-year-old local man. >> three people were treated from a possible pepper spray.

and one suffered a super official injury. that does it for me this hour. i'm ayman mohyeldin. we're taking the show on the road tomorrow for the first republican presidential candidate. join steve kornacki tomorrow right here on msnbc. i'm michael eric dyson. breaking tonight: shots fired. a man enters a movie theater in tennessee armed with a gun and reportedly an a hatchet or an ax. and obama blasts opponents of an iran nuclear deal while trying to win congressional support. and your handy guide to tomorrow night's republican debate. who is in and out and what the stakes are. first out of a antioch,