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and one suffered a super official injury. that does it for me this hour. i'm ayman mohyeldin. we're taking the show on the road tomorrow for the first republican presidential candidate. join steve kornacki tomorrow right here on msnbc. i'm michael eric dyson. breaking tonight: shots fired. a man enters a movie theater in tennessee armed with a gun and reportedly an a hatchet or an ax. and obama blasts opponents of an iran nuclear deal while trying to win congressional support. and your handy guide to tomorrow night's republican debate. who is in and out and what the stakes are. first out of a antioch,
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tennessee. reports of a active shooter at a movie theater near nashville. described as the 51-year-old local man shot and killed by a s.w.a.t. team. officials say three people were injured from an irritant, possibly pepper spray and one of those three people reportedly received a minor injure from a hatchet. this update moments ago. >> one of the police officers entered the theater, he encountered the gunman as he entered the theater that showing the film of mad max. the suspect, the gunman raised the gun towards the officer. the officer fired and this the gunman left the theater. outside the. the man had a superficial injury a cut to his shoulder.
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the two women had been doused with chemical spray by the suspect. their faces were blasted with pepper spray. back to the inside the theater of mad max. the gunman apparently unleashed this pepper spray throughout the theater. as additional officers, the s.w.a.t. team entered that theater, it was very thick with chemical spray, with irritant. gas masks were brought into those officers as they attempted to get this person into custody. other officers had set up at the back of the theater. ultimately the suspect who is -- i am told was wearing a surgical mask came out of the back door of the theater. metro police officers at the back of the theater of this "mad max" theater outside, engaged him. he was shot, fatally wounded and pronounced deceased here at the scene. he was wearing a backpack on the
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front on his chest. the bomb squad, our hazardous devices unit is still working on clearing the materials that he had with him. >> at this hour the bomb squad is still working to clear the area. police said there is no threat remaining to the public. joining me now by phone is jim kavanagh, msnbc law enforcement analyst and clint van zandt former fbi profiler. jim, is this a copy cat from a few weeks ago in nearby tennessee where something like this occurred in the theater? >> i think we're seeing some element of copy cat here, dr. dyson. with the louisiana shooting and the aurora, colorado shooting, at least for the point that this shooting venue here is a theater. that is not normally the case of crime in america that people go into theaters and shoot people except for those events i've
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cited. so i any there was some copy cat effect here. now what the motive is with this guy was he going to try to hold people hostage? spray the pepper spray? did he have a bomb on his chest. >>? it all amounts to be seen. but he's dead and nobody else so that is the one good news here. no other citizens have been hurt. >> no doubt. so the gunman is identified as the a 51-year-old local man. does that give you any indication of what might have been a possible motive or what we can make of this? >> well, again we do have copy cats. i just came back into washington. i've been in cleveland teaching a seminar on active shooters. and i told these police officers, i said know that there is somebody even as we sit here and talk who is planning on a copy cat event in church, at a military facility, at a movie
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theater. and unfortunately i'm not a soothe sayer. that is just what we're dealing with now. and we have people who aren't original thinkers who just copy the behavior of someone else. and i'm afraid just like jim says, that is what we're dealing with now. we have people who sit there, make a decision what they are going to do and even 51 years old. this is somebody who's got a grudge, who is angry, who is frustrated. but whose also sat there and watched the attention that the aurora, colorado shooter has gotten and other shootings and has made the decision, unfortunately, to do the very same thing, in his mind perhaps to get the same benefit. either some type of notoriety whether he's dead or alive. >> right. so jim kavanagh are you surprised there are no major injuries here? was this a matter of luck the police were so near and therefore able to respond so quickly? or were other things at work
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here that we should replicate in future scenarios, unfortunately, where something like this might occur? >> right doctor, well we have things working in our favor in americaa america. although we have things working against us, we do have some things working for us. one is citizens are alert now. and when they see a threat they are acting. they are going tussling with the guy or engage with the guy or try to immediately escape. maybe there was a fight or some immediate interaction. other people immediately escaping. and secondly, just what clint said. aggressive intervention, immediately ly bly by patrol. and in between the two events everybody has a phone in their pocket which we didn't have 20, 30 years ago. they had to run to a pay phone to call 911. so citizens immediately doing the right things, engaging the shooter if they must. getting away if they can. immediately calling 911 and
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officers doing immediate aggressive response to active shooter and by dispatching s.w.a.t. as well, which is critical to, you know, be able to stop the guy. this guy had a plan. he had a plan because he's come in there with the pepper spray, with the backpack, with the hatchet. he had some plan. may not make any sense, as clint will tell you, to any of us. but he had some kind of plan. he was going to perpetrate either at that theater or a nearby business because the public information officer for metro police and an old friend of mine and i've known him forever. and he told us the guy had some interaction with the public just prior to this incident at the theater. so there is more to be learned and to be told tonight. all the agencies are there. this is in the city limits of nashville. and they are going to come up with, you know, the answers. although they will be less than satisfying. but we should all be proud when
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police respond like they did here and they like did in garland, texas and austin, texas, and even in lafayette. even though we lost two lives the police response probably save saved lives of many others. and even aurora. so thanks to alert citizens. >> in light of what jim just said. you think about lafayette, louisiana where the theater incident occurred. tennessee, where the military site was attacked. does this have the intended effect of bringing such terror to human beings in these public spaces that they are discouraged from doing so? is it the luck of the draw, so to speak, that these places are chosen, one, for their political symbolism? but a movie theater has no other significance, one supposes, than the fact that people gather
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there publicly not anticipating that they will be attacked. so give us a sense of the psychological warfare that is being imposed on us by people like this shooter and others. >> one thing, as you and jim both know, there is always order in chaos. we may not know what the order is. but for this individual this is planning. this is i've got my hatchet. i've got my pepper spray. i've got my backpack. i've got my gun. i'm going to go. there may be some symbolism to the movie "mad max" to him but all of this is an individual who likely -- and we will find out, you know. fortunately as jim suggests nobody apparently was seriously injured but the shooter. but in the next few days we'll hear more about the case and find out people knew about the guy and we'll know he had psychological problems. and he's likely written -- i
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mean there is a path to violence that people like this walk on that same path all the time. our challenge is to be able to intercept them on that path to understand what the signs are of someone who may in their own way even be crying out for help. but are likely planning to do this. our challenge is for family, friends, criminal justice system, mental health system to be able to intercept this person on this path to violence and dissuade them before they get there. one more time it looks like people may have known it but we didn't stop it until it happened. >> very quickly, if you are in a movie theater and you see a somebody with a backpack or two backpacks, should wyou be automatically suspicious? >> well, you know, we don't want the same level of paraphernalno the individuals that commit these acts do. but it's more and more a as y
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challenge as you go to these public venues. i was on an airplane. and you are looking at what people are carrying on and off with them. i look at people who a bulge you should a tee shirt. it's either a cell phone or a gub. and these are things that maybe professionally paranoid but the public is forced to consider these things. and a movie theater for someone like this is a target-rich environment. he's seen references that you can do that and likely no one is there prepared to deal with you. in this case of course law enforcement responded, stopped the threat before there could have been a mass shooting. >> jim and clint, thank you so much for your time tonight. thursday night's gop debate stage is set. find out who is in and who is out. and president obama lays out the stakes with iran. it is either diplomacy or war. that is ahead. it gets. wouldn't it be great if hiring plumbers, carpenters and piano tuners were just as simple?
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kennedy, at the height of the cold war, addressed this same university on the subject of peace. >> president obama also said this deal is the most consequential foreign debate in the u.s. since the evasion of iraq. >> so this deal is not just the best choice among alternatives. this is the strongest non proliferation agreement ever negotiated. and because this is such a strong deal, every nation in the world that has commented public ly, with the exception of the israeli government, has expressed support. >> the president and members of his cabinet have been busy showing up democratic backing for the deal. some members of the republican party have been critical calling it a dangerous agreement. congress is still in the midst of a 60 day review period. the latest nbc news "wall street
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journal" poll shows americans are splilt when it comes tot the deal. joining me -- brother joe, john kerry told the atlantic this week that this deal is as pro israel as it gets and as helpful to israel as one might imagine. do you think that is true. >> i do think that is true. i have family in israel. my mother-in-law is visiting israel today. i wouldn't do anything that would jeopardize the security of israel. this makes israel safer. it makes america safer because it stops that deal of iran getting the bomb. and it extends it 15, 20, 25 years. everything iran can do right now is what they worry iran might do at the end of the deal. but meanwhile you have bought, 20, 25 years of security for
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israel. the president is right. this is the you havest non proliferation agreement i've ever seen negotiated. >> wow. professor, why do you think this is such a polarizing issue for americans as it's turned out. not simply just for congress but for the broader american public as well. >> first of all i think that when you look at polarization in the united states, it is not just a matter of the congress. opinion in the whole count i have polarized. and there is probably 40 to 45% of the country who will be against anything president obama proposes. so that is clearly part of this. what really struck me today about the president's speech is this may have been the toughest speech i've ever seen him give in the way that he talked about his opponents other than an election campaign speech. essentially he said, if you like the people who you brought you the iraq war, you will love the people opposing the iran treaty.
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he was very specific. he said that many of the same people who argue for iraq are against this. and i think what he's trying to say is that this is a big philosophical gap between those who believe that diplomacy can work and is worth trying before you go to war and those who are deeply mistrustful of diplomacy. and that is why he wrapped himself in the mantle of john f. kennedy. and also richard nixon and ronald reagan who approved arms control treaties. but i don't think in this partisan polarized age we should be surprised that so many republicans oppose him. and this really was a speech for democrats. but what he needs is enough democrats to uphold his veto of an effort by the republican congress. it will probably path both houses to scuttle the treaty. if enough democrats back him he can keep the treaty. >> so joe, in light of what e.j.
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dionne just said. why is that israeli prime minister netanyahu continues his warnings as he did tuesday that the deal would light the path to iran nuclear capability. and some say this is the best thing going. how do you account for that? >> the president threw his lot in the with the republican party. netanyahu has a split in his own country. he just this week got a letter from senior general, senior head of the intelligence agencies arguing that this was a good deal, that this would protect him. many of the israeli military officials believe that. he's making a political judgment he can defeat the united states
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on an issue of american national security. i think he's wrong about that. most of the experts in the world agree with the president on this issue, not with the prime minister. and the president made very clear that mr. netanyahu's mind set is exactly the mind set of those who thought the iraq war was going to be easy, who rejected any negotiations with iraq, who e belittled the inspections of iraq. the same people, including mr. netanyahu were in favor of the iraq war are now opposed to this iran deal for the same reason. they believe the only solution is a military one. the president is proving that there is a diplomatic way to end the threats even with adversaries as tough, as difficult as iran. >> so in light of that analysis where a diplomatic route is preferable obviously to war, why is that not selling with those in congress? or do you think that the president will have a hard road in dealing with congress, convincing them that this is the way the go? >> well there is a strong
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current of opinion in israel that is genuinely petrified that iran if it got a nuclear weapon would use it against israel. so they will be skeptical of almost any deal i think short of complete disarmament and a total disruption of every nuclear capability they have. but as my colleague just said, that doesn't include everyone in israel by any means. and i think the republicans have an interest in trying to paint president obama as a kind of jimmy carter-like figure. i say that with respect to president carter but their view of president carter who is willing to make deals that weaken the united states. i'm for this deal. i should put that on the table. i think the president made a
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very strong case that today that contrary to that view there are a lot of safeguards in this deal and there is every reason to believe that iran will live by it, not because we like or trust the iranian regime but because it is actually in its interest to live by the deal and that is the best way to prevent it from getting a nuclear weapon. i think he's not going to persuade most, if any, republicans but i think he can persuade a majority of the country and enough democrats to win. >> joe, thank you so much for your time tonight. ej stay with us. has the mystery of what happened to mh 470 been solved? plane debris found last week, officials say is from the missing plane. u.s. officials aren't so sure. and what vo: today's the day.
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welcome back. in 24 hours from now the second tier republican president candidates will square off. then later on the big show. the first string. those not riding the bench. the line up is officially set. chris christie, marco rubio, ben carson, scott walker, donald trump, jeb bush, mike huckabee, ted cruz rand paul and john kasich will all take the stage in cleveland thursday night. trump, bush and walker have snagged the top three spots. this debate should be entertaining, to say the least. all these republican candidates have a history of making some questionable statements. at this point the front runner is no doubt donald trump. he's leading in all the recent national polls. the most recent nbc news "wall
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street journal" has trump in first with 19%. and the other has donald in front at 24%. for more let me bring in my panel. herald, let me begin with you. what are we going to be looking at tomorrow might in. >> oh i think it is going to be a giant clown car. and i kind of wish it was an even bigger clown car than it is. i think you are going to see a whole bunch of people try to grab some of the oxygen out of room from donald trump who has been hogging it all frankly. if i were advising one of those other candidates i would advise them to very aggressively come at trump, except perhaps jeb bush. and i think i would be advising him to just look presidential because you know trump won't. and hope for the best.
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>> will trump and -- >> it will be fascinating to see how trump does because he's not a skilled debater like cruz. he has not done a lot of other things like a lot of people. he's just able to ramble to a certain extent and it will be interesting when he's limited to how much he can say. that's something i'm going to be watching the most closely. >> sure. so dean, trump is going to be the big man on stage tomorrow. is everybody going to team up on him and say hey we all should got together and serve our best interests to make him the hod man out. >> i that would make sense but i don't think that is going happen. i think they are going ignore trump as much as possible. and try to stick to their plan. trump is very thin skinned. he's lashed out. lindsey graham he sued bill
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mamer two years ago for a joke. he doesn't like being mocked. it show america trump doesn't have the temperament to be president. i would. i think they are not. they want to present and let it go from there. >> yeah. so harold, who do you think will win this tomorrow? given that it might be to the advantage to provoke donald trump. and even though you withstand his assault it will show america he's not ready for the prime time. >> you're exactly right. and he's exactly right. i tell you, the few that i think have the biggest odds of impr e improving their lot tomorrow night is jeb bush, just by process of elimination. if trump is hurt, then bush moves occuup. and ted cruz is a very very skilled debater. and he'll never be put off his game in this type of atmosphere. and a couple of under sung
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candidates who really haven't caught oun but if people started paying attention they might get more support in i think rand paul and ben carson. a lot of people don't know much about ben carson. if he comports well he might improve his lot. and rand paul i'm not sure why he hasn't caught on better in the money or support department. but maybe it's because he hasn't made his move because there hasn't been enough oxygen in any room with trump in it. but i think he can comport himself and be theheidi, do you process to choose the candidates was fair? >> they are including all of them. they are having the big debate. >> not the has bens and then the will-bes but equally apportioned there. >> there are a couple i'd kick off the stage tomorrow night too, the main stage, i don't think they have a shot.
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i'd put carly fiorina, because i think she's more interesting than half the stage on the man main thing tomorrow tight. but the contrast, to dean's point the contrast between carson and trump will be fascinating. and it will show the difference -- the gop has quite a wide range of personality this is year. a lot more people to choose from. >> who do you think doesn't have a shot? carson, you are talking about carson. he doesn't come off -- he's great in the operating room but he doesn't seem to be able to separate himself from the crowd here so to speak. >> i love dr. carson. i interviewed him recently. i asked why does a class act like you want to get in the mud with these guys? and he laughed. this is a guy who doesn't need this job he's got so many accomplishments. that is the last thing he needs. but his argument is he wants to try and make a difference for his children. i honor that. god bless him for trying him.
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>> dean, how bill big a role will immigration play in this? >> there is an trillion poll of primary voters rating the issues of importance. immigration was actually way down there. national security and terrorism number one. and jobs number two. i think that is playing to a sub sect of the base that wants to hear that. rally against the iran deal. still against obamacare. and of course scaring people about muslims. we'll see that at some point in this debate as well. >> all right. harold, why is christie only polling around 3%? before donald came in, he was the well-known brash candidate but now he seems to be up staged by his good friend the donald. >> that is exactly the problem for chris christie. they are competing for the same space. and apparently nobody can
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compete with donald trump for that space. but i do think that chris christie has got at least a limited opportunity tomorrow to remind republican primary voters of why they liked him in the first place before all this bridgegate stuff came up. he can kind of be the brash bully that donald trump is. but he does it kind of more laughably and less in a disgusting way. so i think -- i think he's got an opportunity to remind republicans of why they liked him in the first place. >> a couple of questions for you hei heidi. what are republicans saying about john kasich? especially conservatives and secondly, what if donald trump actually acts like he makes sense tomorrow. >> you are going to have to have more than one guy getting a lot of tv time to win the presidency. i'm not sure he's going to have that. so even if he continues to do
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well in the polls ultimately i i don't think that will get him the presidency. that will be interesting. and what was your other question? >> john kasich. >> i like john kasich. i disagree with him about a document of things. s as, you know, he over road his own legislature to try to push spending more on medicaid and the reason he did that was he claimed he was going to be accountable to god. i'm paraphrasing but he was going to be accountable to god for that. and i would agree we have to care about the poor. i totally agree with that. i don't agree government is the best way to do that. so i don't as a social conservative don't agree can kasich on that. maybe that will hurt him with some people. >> dean, when you think about it is donald trump's success hitherto a sign of his strength or the weakness of the field. >> i think it's deep bench to be honest. you have something for everyone in this field. marco rubio, a younger senator. to long experience, bush family
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almost royalty in the republican party. and donald trump is saying i'm with you. there are haters out there. he'll say the haters want to get us. and i'm going speak for you and defend you against these haters out there, these people who don't understand america. i'm going to make america great again. and it resonates with a certain percentage. but the new polls show trump is down 12 or 13 points in all of those polls where hillary clinton and jeb bush are much much closer. >> he's raised over $125 million. $100 million in super pacs. eclipsing everyone including hillary clinton. and the next republican ted cruz. i think scott walker has the most pressure going into this debate. he has about $26 million. in your poll he looked good. other polls he is down to single digit. scott walker is the man. he's got a hard record in
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wisconsin to live with. i think he has to do a good job to raise money or he'll be below the first tier. and maybe kasich starts moveing up. >> thanks for your great insight here. still ahead. drones as drug mules? how one drone allegedly delivered drugs to an ohio prison yard. we'll have the story next what's the first thing he does? the tobin stance. but when we open up the windows, you can see the dust floating around. there's dog hair. pollen. more work. (doorbell) whoa! what's this? swiffer sweeper! swiffer dusters! removes up to 70% of dust and allergens. stays on there like glue. can't do that with the other broom. wow, i love it. the tobin stance! that is totally what it is! no student's ever been the king of the campus on day one. but you're armed with a roomy new jansport backpack,
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jeb bush is backtracking -- again. bush had this to say about women's health care funding in nashville. >> the next president should defund planted parenthood. you could take dollar for dollar, although i'm not sure we need a half a billion dollars for women's health issues, but if you took dollar for dollar, there are many extraordinarily fine community health organizations that exist, federally sponsored community health organizations to provide quality care for women on a wide variety of health issues. >> not sure you need a half a billion dollars for health
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issues. bush's campaign quickly went into damage-control mode. saying he was referring to the federal funding given to planned parenthood. hillary clinton took the opportunity to hammer bush at a campaign stop in denver. now he's got no problem giving billions of dollars away to super wealthy and powerful corporations, but i guess women's health just isn't a priority for them. this really isn't complicated. when you attack planned parenthood, you attack women's health, and when you attack women's health, you attack america's health. >> misspeaking is turning into a habit for him. last month, bush said americans need to work longer hours to improve the economy, he later clarified he was talking about part-time workers. not long after he discussed phasing out medicare. since then he said the program needs to be reformed.
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let's turn to joun nichols and e.j. dionne, contributor and columnist and georgetown professor. so what would jeb bush's presidency mean for women's health programs in light of what the man has just been saying? >> well, let's be clear, that he was saying he wanted to defund planned parenthood. and right off the bat, that's taking a lot of resources from a group that delivers care -- all sorts of very vital care to women in a lot of tough, out of reach places, some underserved areas. now the bizarre thing about it is that he actually ended up taking a democratic talking point -- democrats have made the point correctly that planned parenthood is about a lot more than abortion and reproductive health care. it does a lot of important care. and here was jeb bush literally saying, i don't think we need the money for women's health.
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it was a terrible gaffe. and it suggests to me that even if he did backtrack, he's not taking these issues seriously. he's just grabbing onto, you know, whatever the attack line is of the week and trying to pedal it back to his base. >> so in light of that ej, why is he so gaffe prone? >> well, i think sometimes gaffes reveal what people really think. and i think there's a little bit of that here, but i also think that jeb bush, and i've heard this from republicans, is kind of impatient with what you need to do in a political campaign at this point. you know, george w. had his problems, lord knows, but he was very disciplined about campaigning and i think he actually liked campaigning more than jeb does. and i think he's got -- jeb has to find the discipline here, but if you examine that sentence he spoke, he doesn't have to throw
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in that aside about, we may not need a half a billion dollars for women's health issues. and i think that suggests that underneath conservative ideology is this reflex that says, we need to cut a lot of things out of the budget, many of them relate to health and welfare and education. so i think the thing with the gaffe that you always have to look at is, is there actually some underlying position that led him there even though in the end he regretted saying it? >> right. so here's how jeb bush fared in the candidate's first meeting on monday. >> my dad is probably the most perfect many alive, so it's hard for me to be critical of him. in fact, i got a t-shirt at the jeb swag store that says, i'm -- my dad's the greatest man alive. if you don't like it, i'll take
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you outside. >> john, will jeb be an easy target for the other nine candidates at tomorrow's debate? >> up to a point, yes. although the other nine candidates have -- or at least eight of the other nine candidates have a bigger problem with mr. trump. so, while some of them may want to steer some fire toward jeb bush because he's in this number two, number three position, my sense is that bush is likely, as you're pointing out with some of these clips to be the one that sort of steps on himself, to be the one that causes his own problems, rather than somebody attacking him. if he is attacked, the likelihood, that attack will come from donald trump. as you've just illustrated kind of painfulfully, he may not be ready for it. >> is the dirty little secret that jeb bush is just a bad politician? >> well, he did get elected in
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florida. so i'm not sure -- i don't think you can say that of him yet. but i think he is at best right now, an indifferent campaigner. i've seen him at some events where he was very fluent. he showed some real optimism about america, which is really short. the right-wing doesn't really speak optimistically, but i do think he is clearly at least out of practice. and as i say, this impatience with the art of campaigning, and what you have to do is going to get in his way. he should have been prepared, for example, for that question about iraq a long time ago. it's astonishing that he didn't have an answer ready right away. so tomorrow is a biggest test of bush because of these gaffes. he's got to really be a relatively flawless opponent. because as a conservative wrote, a conservative in the weekly standard, the one thing about an establishment candidate, they're
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not supposed to make these gaffes. so why is jeb bush doing this? >> right. that's a question we'll see the answer to hopefully tomorrow night. john and ej, thanks so much for your time tonight. >> good to be with you. >> "politicsnation" with the reverend al sharpton starts right now. tonight on "politicsnation," bill clinton's secret phone call to donald trump. how it may be affecting the 2016 race. also a huge victory against a voter i.d. law in texas. the latest on that active shooter scare at a tennessee movie theater. and the anti-spanish rant caught on tape is going viral, and it reveals a lot about the immigration debate in this country. welcome to "politicsnation." we begin tonight with what