his unforgettable impact on politics and pop culture as he gets ready for his final "daily show" tonight. good morning, everyone. i'm tamron hall. developing now as the candidates prepare for tonight's first gop presidential debate republican front-runner donald trump's relationship with the clintons is making headlines this morning. that after details surfaced about a private phone call between trump and former president bill clinton become in may shortly before trump announced his run for the white house. a clinton spokesperson says the former president was returning earlier calls from trump and bill clinton's office tell nbc news -- tells nbc news the presidential race was not discussed. but trump aides tell "the washington post" the former president encouraged trump to quote, play a larger role in the republican party. mother jones' website calls it

quote, the best conspiracy story ever. but first, the final preps for tonight's main event in cleveland, ohio at 9:00 p.m. eastern time under way. that's when the top ten gop candidates will take the main stage. it will be preceded by what's being called the happy hour debate at 5:00 p.m. featuring the seven candidates who did not make the top tier. as for whether the other gop candidates are ready to rumble with trump, rnc chair reince priebus says it's important for the candidates to remember ronald reagan's 11th commandment, thou shalt not speak ill of any republican. >> containment is a key word, too. we have to abide by reagan's 11th commandment and not put up with a lot of mud-slinging and call it out when you see it but let some jabs go by as well. it's a balancing act that we have to let happen without us kind of killing each other at the same time.

>> msnbc political correspondent kasie hunt joins us live now from the site of tonight's debate, the quicken loans arena in cleveland. so all eyes will be there very shortly. let me talk to you about the atmosphere particularly with john kasich being on that main stage, the governor of ohio. >> reporter: john kasich told one of our political reporters that he's being forward to being on stage, he's just happy to be there but it's a big coup for him. it would be tough for the sitting governor of this state not to be on stage. but all the republican party officials, candidate aides, the candidates themselves, they're bumping into each other in the hallways and there's almost this shared sense that no one knows what to do about donald trump and also a shared sense that they're taking him a little bit more seriously than they might have been a couple of weeks ago. the idea that he is a summer fling fading a little bit.

and people starting to actually grapple with this question of whether or not he's still going to be a factor by the time the caucuses begin in iowa by the time voters go to the polls in new hampshire. so in that way, some odd camaraderie among candidates that would otherwise be intense rivals. >> do we know how the night will play out? let's start with the happy hour debate, as it's called. >> reporter: i just spoke recently with senator rick santorum who won iowa last time and yet is rellegated to this happy hour debate because of so many candidates in the field. we'll see that initially. and then we'll have a break before we get to the main event. as we've been talking about now for the past day or two, that is going to feature trump front and center and walker and bush on the sides of him. you mentioned kasich early and chris christie, they'll be out on the wings. but two potential centers of some of the best fireworks

tonight potentially, tamron. >> kasie hunt live for us in cleveland, thank you very much. let's bring in our political panel today, syndicated talk radio host steve dais and jimmy williams and political reporter curtis lee. thank you all for joining us. let me start with this big headline, steve, this morning that there was some conversation between clinton and donald trump where clinton according to the trump team encouraged him to play a more active role in the party. mother jones says conservative heads must be exploding right now. is the trump candidacy just a devious clinton scheme to screw up the republican primaries? you're the conservative on board. what's your take? >> i think all of you are giving the republican party establishment and the democratic party way too much credit. what is hilarious is to see a

republican party establishment who's said to conservatives for decades that we have to abandon everything we believe in order to have a big tent. that they wrote an autopsy that every one of the primetime hosts at msnbc could have written about why the republican party sucks. now all of a sudden their big defense against donald trump is he's not really a republican. he's got friends who are democrats. isn't that what you guys have been telling us we have to do to win all this time? the reality of donald trump is dr. frankenstein always hates the monster he ends up creating. the republican party establishment because of what they've done to their base and their fecklessness and failures and betrayals and lies created donald trump. i think donald trump should go more cowbell. >> speaking of who you support, on that stage, let's start with the top tier. who's your guy on that stage, since the only female in the race is now in the second tier at the happy hour? >> i think what's going to be the side plot is who stands up

as sort of the conservative ideological standard-bearer -- >> who do you expect that to be? >> you have three candidates that are going to try to be that person cruz huckabee and scott walker. one of those three will probably shine as the secondary, i'm going to be the champion of the party platform and why we actually call ourselves republicans in the first place. those are the three on that stage i'd watch for to try and be that conservative standard-bearer tonight. >> curtis let me talk about what you wrote, republicans wonder how you debate donald trump. you heard from steve, the conservative on our panel, regarding building up this frankenstein for lack of a better description and who actually owns him. the bottom line is he owns that stage and he owns the polls right now. how do the other republicans, including the more conservative voices that steve wants to hear from, break through? >> i think that's the big unknown going into tonight. donald trump is obviously leading in a number of poll he's still leading in iowa and new hampshire.

if you're a lower-tier candidate, you don't want to spend your time talking about donald trump. if you're chris christie john kasich, you want to get your platform out there. you want to introduce yourself to voters. this is your first opportunity tonight on a national stage to really get your message out there folks. you don't want to spend too much time talking about donald trump. but if you're one of the higher-tier candidates like jeb bush or scott walker and donald trump attacks you, you have to seem presidential and address whatever he says and then move past it and kind of continue the discussion. it will be key tonight to see what this debate takes on. will it be a civil debate about issues such as immigration and the economy or will it be donald trump attacking his republican challengers? it's really a big unknown. >> it is. jimmy, when you look at for example what reince priebus said regarding ronald reagan, don't speak ill of another republican heed add onto that, as best you can. for example, when rick perry took on donald trump, donald trump tweeted out a picture of them together with what he said

was perry begging for money and then went on to mock rick perry for wearing glasses to appear smart. he is willing to take the low road, all loads if it means he remains at the top of that poll. how do these other republican candidates not speak ill of one another if that trump strategy has been so effective this early? >> look back at the last debates over the last presidential election cycles. that happened. they tore each other apart. rick perry famously not remembering basically anything that he was supposed to remember that he had already rehearsed. i think it's a two-prong strategy. if i were jeb bush or scott walker or anyone else i think i would let donald trump dig his own hole. and secondly i would force him into it and go at him and say things like you declared bankruptcy four times yet you're still a billionaire. why is it you can take other people's money yet remain a billionaire on paper? what are you, just the 1% and go

all populist on him. i think you can do both of those. i don't think reince priebus believes they will not talk ill of each other. it's a debate not a one-man show. >> obviously too many candidates for us to talk about each one. but, steve, i want to highlight jeb bush and what's gone on with him. to two what seemed like missteps with independent voters regarding planned parenthood. that's the latest one. i want to play what yahoo! news had to say about the trouble jeb bush has found. >> fairly or not, the presumption is the perception is as trump gains steam, it's jeb bush who's sort of losing his pre-eminent place in the field. >> jeb bush the person that's been referred to as the dynasty candidate just as hillary clinton has been described, he's anything but that at this point, making mistakes that are stunning, not being able to

explain the difference between him and his brother and his father and then this planned parenthood remark that he tried to clarify, especially at a time when the polling shows the majority of people see planned parenthood as a favorable agency. >> well his gaffe on the planned parenthood thing at a time that we had that issue as pro-lifers is almost an unpardonable sin in politics. he's going nowhere. he's largely a fixture of the liberal media, republican establishment cabal. if the caucuses were today, he wouldn't win any of those early states. i don't know any key activist not a single one anywhere in the country that is backing jeb bush. "the daily beast" had the story yesterday that his big donors are all the same people for hillary as well. ironically the thing that hurts him more than anything is his last name. if he had all the same problems

you just documented and his name were jeb stewart or jeb smith, we'd think he has no shot at all. the only thing keeping him in the race is the most contempt contemptible about him is his last name. >> you also hear people saying that the second-tier debate may be the most substantive. i don't know if that's a way to lick your wounds for some of the candidates to make it appear that's where the knowledge will happen. what's your take of that second tier? >> yeah, absolutely. you have a number of candidates in that forum. it will be carly fiorina and rick perry. and we'll see if they do have a substantive debate. but definitely all eyes will be on the primetime debate. we'll see whether it's a debate of issues or kind of turns into attack mode from donald trump or other republicans. >> jimmy, look into your crystal ball. what's the headline tomorrow? >> headline tomorrow is, how did trump do?

that's all. >> that's not a good headline. >> no, it's not. >> trump trumps or something like that i would have clicked on. thank you, gentlemen. developing now, new details about the man who police say launched an attack on a movie theater, terrifying moviegoers for more than 40 minutes. officials are trying to find out why 29-year-old vincente montano went into a tennessee theater last night armed with a hatchet, pepper spray and a pellet gun. one of the victims who only wants to be identified as steven was hit with the hatchet and spoke out right after the incident about what happened inside that theater. >> i'm eternally grateful -- excuse me -- for metro police department for their fast response today and the fact that no one else got injured other than the person who did this. i'd also like to thank all of the citizens who gathered around

us helped my daughter when we were pepper sprayed. that kind of gives me a little bit more faith in humanity again. i have no idea why this gentleman decided to attack us. >> nbc's mark potter joins us from antioch, tennessee. mark, what is the latest that we've learned on this man's background and what may have led to this attack? >> reporter: that's the big question. we know that he was homeless, that he had an arrest record going back about 11 years. police are trying to figure all that out. this is the theater. it's closed, roped off. there are some officers there. they're inside working on the question of why this happened. but it's a much quieter scene here today than it was yesterday. the big question is motive. why did he go into that theater carrying an ax pepper spray and a pellet gun that he couldn't use to defend himself and start attacking people? police say the one thing they do know is that he had a long history of mental problems, a documented history.

>> shots being fired right now -- >> reporter: this morning, police say this man, 29-year-old vincente montano, bought a ticket to "mad max," entered the hickory hollow theater and carrying an ax, pepper spray and an air soft pistol started terrorizing the people inside. >> this shady looking guy stood up and pulled out like a hatchet and started attacking this family. then he pulled out a gun and we all ran out of the theater. >> reporter: alex roby was in the next theater. >> we took cover in our seats, tried to stay as quiet as possible. we could hear screams, yelling and gunshots coming from the theater. >> be advised, we have shots fired, officer involved 901 bell road. >> reporter: just down the street, two officers were alerted to the danger by citizens and ran to the theater. montano had already grazed one man with his ax and released pepper spray with red dye hitting a woman and a teenage girl.

police say when the officer approached approached, montano raised what appeared to be a real semiautomatic and pulled the trigger. the officer fired at montano and backed out. montano then fled out a back door where a s.w.a.t. team shot and killed him. police later determined montano's gun was an air soft pistol that shoots pellets but looks like a semiautomatic. >> as you look at the gun, if someone confronted you wit, you would think it was a real pistol. >> reporter: police say montano also carried a duffel bag and backpack which had what they described as a hoax explosive device. >> this is maybe what we call the new normal and we can't just shut down america. we carry on. but we need to be very mindful of our surroundings as we do that. >> reporter: as i said before police have said that montano appears to have been homeless. we have indications that he actually registered at a nearby shelter but we don't know if he actually stayed there. this was a couple of days ago. police are also praising the responding officers for moving so quickly to confront the

attacker perhaps reducing the chances that other people could have been hurt or even killed. >> mark potter live for us thank you. developing now, malaysia's prime minister confirms a wing fragment found on reunion island is from missing flight mh-370. but french australian and chinese experts are not ready to make that final declaration. family members of those who died are outraged over this latest confusion. a live report is next. and bill cosby will be questioned under oath about sexual molestation allegations for the first time in nearly ten years. it is one of the stories we are updating around the "news nation." you can join the conversation online, find the team on twitter and find me on facebook, twitter and instagram.

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it is with a very heavy hard that i must tell you that an international team of experts have conclusively confirmed that the aircraft debris found on reunion island is indeed from mh-370. >> malaysian officials may have confirmed the wing flap found on reunion island is from mh-370. other officials say more tests are needed. still that announcement and news of possible new debris found on the island is not enough for many of the families. many say that until their loved ones -- their remains are back in their arms, they will not have closure. >> they still need to find the whole plane. we still want them back.

>> nbc news's allister jameson is in toulouse, france. people are trying to how officials can say this is definitely from mh-370 and other experts lingering after so many days. >> reporter: that's right. you have an extraordinary announcement by malaysia's prime minister and he used that word conclusively confirming that this was part of mh-370. and then a few hours later, giving this other announcement about other debris possible windows and aluminum foil found in the indian ocean. both announcements seemed to take other countries in this very complex international investigation somewhat by surprise. and certainly they are not ready, french authorities here are not ready to make that same call. they have a lot of experience in carrying out these investigations. they agree that it's very likely that the boeing 777 wing component being tested in this lab behind me is part of mh-370.

but they will wait as long as it takes to get absolutely final confirmation and to eliminate any doubt. now, that apparent discrepancy in the international positions has weakened the families' confidence. it's angered them and they've been asking questions today about the integrity of the whole investigation. some of the chinese families have accused malaysia of rushing to conclusions. others besieged the malaysia airlines office in beijing shouting and waving placards. it seems they're no closer to getting any closure even after this revelation. >> thank you so much for your time. we greatly appreciate it. coming up an eighth person dies and nearly 100 sickened in new york city after the largest outbreak of legionnaire's disease the city has seen. and a manhunt under way in louisiana this morning for a suspect who shot and killed a police officer. a live report on that manhunt.

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go there's nothing that he can do to stop us from bringing him to justice. these guys and ladies will not rest until he's brought to justice. >> levale is the 21st officer shot and killed in this country this year. joining me now from shreveport police department, jay choice from our affiliate ktal. jade, what is the latest on the hunt there? >> good morning, the press conference just wrapped up. we've learned the officer who was killed was thomas levale. the mayor along with the shreveport police chief and other dignitaries spoke highly of levale who was a four-year veteran. levale was killed late last night while responding to a suspicious persons call and was shot at a home in west shreveport. levale was rushed to the hospital where he later died. police are on a manhunt searching for the suspect,

27-year-old grover cannon who police say has a previous warrant out for his arrest. the police said during the press conference they will not rest until they get cannon behind bars. the mayor also spoke saying that she spent time with lavalley's family and she spoke with them and they are asking for your prayers during this difficult time, as well as local law enforcement who are mourning the loss of one of their own who has fallen while in the line of duty. so it's a very very sad and tragic time right now and everyone is just asking for prayers for the officer that was killed, as well as the family of that officer. back to you. >> thank you very much for the update. now to developing news here in new york city legionnaire's disease has taken another life. it's traced to cooling towers in the south bronx. 97 people have been treated for the disease in the new york area.

officials say those who died were elderly individuals who also suffered from other underlying medical problems. legionnaires is a severe lethal form of a bacterial pneumonia spread through the air. coming up the man tapped to run rand paul's super pac is indicted. the latest on this investigation. and what rand paul is saying. it is part of this morning's first read on politics with our very own nbc senior political editor mark murray. plus did the pope invite oprah winfrey and matt damon to the vatican? it is one of those things we thought you should know this morning. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ geico motorcycle

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rand paul's super pac are hit with a federal indictment including the senator's longtime aide jesse benton. both accused of conspiracy and making false statements to the fbi and the federal election commission. also, republicans are pushing back against president obama's major speech this time yesterday defending the iran nuclear deal. let's jump into it. mark murray is on. mark, you're in the business of facting. we had jimmy williams on earlier. i said if you had to predict what the headline will be for tomorrow after the two debates, what is it? >> i can't pick what the headlines will be. usually these first debates are all being about making a good first impression. you normally don't have the zingers. but with donald trump in the equation, you throw out all the rules. we've talked about how jeb bush will be front and center in addition to donald trump. but i'm also watching scott walker, the wisconsin governor. he has the conservative record. he ends up having wins over

democrats who have been trying to take him on. does he end up looking the part in this debate does he sound the part? that's going to be very key to someone who right now is the front-runner in iowa for the republicans. >> let's talk about ben carson as well. he had early traction, fell off there. but lately has tried to resurrect with his fire brand way of really bringing in some of the conservatives. >> yeah. and the word you used firebrand, is interesting here. when he challenged president obama at that christian prayer breakfast, that's what propelled him into stardom. but every time you listen to him in interviews when he was on "meet the press," he really isn't all that fired up. it will be interesting to see how animated he is and how charismatic he is on that debate stage. >> back to mike huckabee as it was written, if you want to place an early bet on the best performer of the night, huckabee would be a great call on the heels of the controversial comments he made regarding the

holocaust and the iran nuclear deal. that leaves him an opening to keep up the heated rhetoric. >> as chuck todd pointed out, mike huckabee is the only one out of the ten who will be on the main debate stage tonight who's actually participated in the presidential debate before. in 2007 and 2008 when he was running back then he often stood out as one of the best debate performers. so i don't think it should be surprising if he does very well at this debate setting. it will be interesting -- he might get a question or two on his very colorful statements on the iran nuclear deal. >> and i know it's very early and i can't stress that enough. but just looking at jeb bush's past week and some of the headlines regarding him, it's early to say. but when you look at people who had very high expectations rudy giuliani, for example, even rick perry to some large degree who admits the last time he ran for president he had some other medical issues but nevertheless

he watched it implode in front of him. we could name others who came in with really high expectations and stunned the party when they could not live up to them. >> the debates always matter and in a lot of ways when you end up having some of the challenges that jeb bush has and he has many advantages just look at his bank account for the super pac, look at his last name those should be in some respects advantages in this republican primary season. but he does have some challenges. as we saw mitt romney back in 2012 use the debates to his advantage, he was usually the most solid one, the person who looked like the grown-up. the person also who's not afraid to mix it up in these debates and as republicans are looking for a fighter, i'm really going to be watching jeb bush and how he performs at the debate tonight. >> and two headlines that will impact the debate potentially, rand paul the indictment of the head of his super pac as well as another person make no mistake this has shaken that campaign?

>> this has rocked the campaign. jesse benton is as tied to rand paul and ron paul as almost anyone. and the fact he's facing indictment over this for a campaign that was already struggling this is a psychological blow to the campaign. >> and the president's speech on iran yesterday, saying basically the option is this deal or some type of war which was the quote that he had there. i would imagine that these candidates today will be put on the spot to say what they then would offer up. >> yeah, the most fascinateing question will be -- a lot of republicans have answered this. but i wouldn't be surprised if they get this again. if you're president, what would you do on day one with the iran deal? scott walker and other republicans have said they'd rip it up on day one. some of the practical realities of how that would be perceived by america's allies as well as the international community would be put pressure against such a move. it will be fascinating to see the answers they give on that

question. >> and what would they offer up as a solution. thank you very much, mark. coming up, the end of an era. jon stewart's impact on late-night tv politics pop culture as he prepares for his final "daily show" airing tonight. that's coming up for you next. but first, there is a lot going on this morning and here are some things we thought you should know. a federal appeals court ruled that the texas voter id law discriminates against blacks and hispanics. it requires voters to bring government-issued photo ids to the polls. and pope francis may be getting ready to host some of hollywood's biggest heavy-hitters to improve the church's portrayal in the west. the pope reportedly invited matt damon, oprah winfrey and ari emanuel to meet with him at the vatican this fall.

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welcome back. bill cosby's planned deposition tops our look at stories around the "news nation" this morning. a los angeles superior court judge has ordered bill cosby give a sworn deposition in a sexual battery lawsuit brought by judith huth. he claims he was sexually molested at the playboy mansion when she was 15. cosby's attorneys say the lawsuit is an attempt to extort the star. bill cosby has never been charged and denies all of the sexual assault allegations. a team of bounty hunters thought they had their fugitive surrounded when they banged on the door of a phoenix home last

night. instead, it turns out they were at the home of the phoenix police chief. the chief came to the door armed with a baton while his girlfriend called 911. >> what is your emergency? >> i don't know if they're bounty hunters or what they are but they just banged down our door looking for somebody. >> bounty hunter and owner of star fugitive recovery brent farley was arrested on criminal trespassing and disorderly conduct. farley, by the way, is actually a convicted felon and thus ineligible to be a bounty hunter. turning now to what will surely be the other most talked about event tonight besides the debate. after an incredible 16-year run, one of the most iconic voices on tv is saying good-bye. >> welcome, welcome to "the daily show." i'm jon stewart. giving the state and the

presidency to george w. bush by a total of 537 votes. wow! that's a landslide if you're running for student council treasurer. at which point, 49% of the country also solemnly swore. can't emphasize this enough. don't let your kids go hunting with the vice president. i don't care what kind of lucrative contracts they're trying to land or energy regulations they're trying to get lifted, he'll shoot them in the face. nice nominee you've got there. i have one character that i do. when i look at your deep dish pizza, i don't know whether to eat it or throw a coin in it and make a wish. and if i made a wish it would be that i wish for some real [ bleep ] pizza. speaking of good names, that's the segway. s that that is the segway and i'm sticking with it. >> jon stewart is ending his run

on high after changing the landscape of the late-night tv and having a tremendous impact on daily discourse. joining me now, james. you had a great essay on this. you talk about what you'll miss most about jon stewart. you say, i will miss him as a media filter not in the usual sense of someone who takes in a great deal of news scans over it and highlights the bits most worthy of your attention. go on to explain what filter you meant. >> i mean like a filter like something on a sewage treatment plant or in your bloodstream that basically absorbs a torrent of toxins and passes them through in a form that you can safely tolerate. in the american body politics jon stewart was our liver. >> i think that's the first time he's been described that way.

>> i'm sure it is. not chopped liver. >> i got it. what's interesting as well is that here was this man who's clearly intelligent, an intellectual thoughtful person but was also hip and was able to draw in as we hear over and over this great number of young people who as we again, have heard over and over, got their news from jon stewart. >> yeah. and in that sense, he was also a media filter in that sense of the word. he sort of ushered in a time when people were increasingly turning to nontraditional sources for their news. and i think that younger viewers embraced him partly because he took the news seriously. he was funny about it. but in a way where the comedy came from, engaging with the ideas in-depth and not necessarily pretending to be sort of neutral or above it all but sort of calling b.s. when he

felt it was necessity. and his authenticity came from that, i think. >> two examples of what you were referring to from his ability to take the serious news and be very authentic with it you reference it in your post the 9/11 moment the day that he returned after the nation was just broken apart, let's play the clip from the show that day. >> we've had an unenduring pain here, unendurable pain. and i wanted to tell you why i grieve but why i don't despair. i'm sorry. >> when you look at that how many people could handle that moment in the way he did and keep the show on track and rebuild it to the nature that it is now? >> yeah, the"the daily show" was a, quote, unquote, fake news show.

but one advantage that it had and that he had is that the traditional idea of the news television news mainstream news is you remove yourself from the newscast. that was just a person engaging with what had happened on an intelligent but honest level. and, again, i think that that sort of forged this connection that gave him an authority that traditional authorities didn't necessarily have as much anymore. >> and perhaps don't still have. interesting to see what will happen tonight, the presidential debate, his last show. it will be taped before the debate which is -- i don't know if he's going to go on per periscope and do a live post show of the gop debate. but it will be sorely missing. >> it's as if god is taunting him. >> i think it will be on periscope, something live. he's got to. thank you so much, great

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where we highlight american business success stories. today we're featuring gray stone bakery in yonkers, new york. it's been around 32 years. not only known for the famous brownies they make for ben and jerry's ice cream. the company is almost helping to revitalize the community. the bakery offers second chances for anyone, including those usually considered unxwloipable ex-con homeless recovering addicts. it has an open hiring policy. people can put their name on a waiting list and they are hired when a position becomes available. with me now, mike brady, president and ceo 6of the bakery and the bakery's lead trainer. >> thank you for joining us. i have a very important question. where are the brownies? >> i know it. >> i don't know, mike. seriously, congratulationses on the success of the bakery but

also this idea of hiring people. it's such an interesting word who are unemployable. when you hear that what do you think? >> i think it's an interesting word. really, what does it mean? why would anyone ever be considered unemployable? that's the mission at greystone is to prove that that word is not necessary. they are employable and successful. >> the bakery was having great success. at what point did you decide you know, what i want to open this door wider? >> it's been part of our heritage all along at greyston. starting by an amazing man, bernie, buddhist monk who has a class of nonjudgment. we were concerned about people and their future not what they've done in the past. that's what we're all about, always has been. >> dion your background you had zerd time in jail. >> yes. >> i'm sure like many people who get out you wonder, what am i going to do who is going to hire me? >> absolutely. >> how did you hear about

greyston? >> greyson is in a community that i grew up about so i always knew about them. i was in the streets selling brugs. when i got incarcerated for four years i wanted to change my life so when i came home i knew my goals and what i wanted to do. but where do i go to get hired. >> that has to be intimidating. you were in jail. >> yes. >> you knew a life of crime but you want to do better you want to do better by yourself your family. then you have to fill out that application and they ask, have you served time? >> yes. >> you know the door is closing for most places as soon as you say yes. >> yes. it took me nine months to find a job after a friend reminded me about greyston so once i went and put my name on the list three days later i got hired. they made the transition from being in jail and being on the streets and never having a job to now getting up every day working, easy. so i just -- i just try to

follow that and give it to the people that come? >> mike it is life changing because someone like dion who has a good heart, he wants to work. if he gets out and can't get a job, if you can't getting beaten down, the option can be going right back on to the street and? that circle which destroys fam i wills, which destroys communities. >> yeah. absolutely. that's what we're trying to raise awareness to which there's 9 million people coming out of the prison systems every year. we need solutions like greyston's. while we make great brownies look at this model. you can be successful with any type of people and make world class products. >> congratulations. dion, write that brownie's recipe down for your girl. that does it for this edition of "newsnation." i'm tamron hall. it's debate night. up next that's an homage to rachel maddow. andrea mitchell is up now live in cleland.

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right now on "andrea mitchell reports," live from the city of rock 'n roll royalty, king james and cavaliers, the indians, and tonight the republican candidates facing off for the first time. they are the governors including ohio's own. >> i've always sort of wondered about the importance of debates. you know, it's starting with nixon and kennedy and that's why i shaved this morning. >> the senators. >> i'm not running against any of the people on that stage. i'm running for president. >> the doctor. >> the debate or not, it's part of the process. >> and, of course the donald. >> i'm not a debater. i get things done. you know these guys debate every night of their life. that's all they do is debate. they debate all over the place, and nothing happens. >> tonight cleveland will rock and we are here to set the stage.

good day. i'm andrea mitchell in cleveland kicking up a msnbc's coverage of the first republican presidential primary debate. live from the decision 2016 set if we will be bringing you the best analysis of the big names and the biggest moments throughout the evening. we're blocks away from quicken loans arena, normally home to of course lebron james. tonight millions of americans across the country are going to be watching the donald. a surprise political power house facing a first center stage and national debate with nine opponents itching to steal his spotlight in the polls. we'll bring in our pre-debate panel, hard ball host chris matthews, lead our coverage of the debate all evening. former republican national committee chairman, michael steele. and steve schmidt, senior adviser to john mccain of course