after everybody has had about ten more beers we'll be back here at 11:00 eastern for full coverage analysis and reaction to the big debate. right now for the great rachel ma maddow. >> thank you, chris. i appreciate it. i'm looking forward to the drunk edition of "hardball" at 11:00 tonight. that's going to be fun. ten beers between now and then everybody go. i want to thank you at home for being with us tonight. there is obviously a tv event for the ages going on tonight, one whose ratings i have to admit will absolutely dwarf whatever we are able to do here tonight but, you know what? jon stewart's grand finale on "the daily show" after 16 years at the helm of the best news and politics satire show that our country has ever had, this grand finale he is doing later on tonight, this is not just a tv

event for the ages it's something that is a big, important moment for us as a country. i mean, if you care about the kinds of things that you probably care about if you watch this show it's not all that unreasonable to look at this event tonight, to look at jon stewart ending "the daily show" and ask who are we actually going to be as a country after tonight's last "daily show"? who are we going to be when we don't have this to turn to anymore to make sense of our news? >> well, if you remember in the original rush to war, diligently planned, internationally sanctioned, i mean freedom rave there were some individuals who were wrong about the whole [ bleep ] thing. wrong. just dead wrong. like, about everything. all of them. >> let's act now to get rid of the tyrant who has abused and killed his own people, who is

procuring weapons of mass destruction. >> disarming him by war or letting him have the weapons of mass destruction. >> dealing with a country that can really finance its own reconstruction. >> the baathists who use their power to repress the iraqi people will be removed from office. >> by the way, you can have all these memorable screwups and more. just call now and order. that's what i call being completely [ bleep ] wrong about iraq. anyhow anyhow, you'll appreciate this. i think you'll appreciate this. those idiots were ostracized. never heard from again because of how -- i'm kidding. because i think we all know four wrongs make a right. in this current crisis the news media has rushed to get the band back together again and they all have the same advice. on bass bill kristol, on guitar, are you kidding me how does this guy keep getting put on television lindsey graham?

>> the stubborn headed president we have who thinks he knows better than everybody else who withdrew troops -- stubborn headed delusional detached president. that's the last bad thing i'm going to say. [ laughter ] >> my wicked tongue. i'm so bad. at foreign policy. now pour me another julep. >> honestly, america, how are we going to survive lindsey graham running for president this year without jon stewart there every night to do his lindsey graham "pour me a julep" voice? how are we going to have donald trump actually running for president this year without jon stewart to explain things to donald trump? >> on day three of sarah palin's

one nation bus tour she met with donald trump on his home turf here in new york city. >> oh, my gosh, she's here? she's in the house? with him? wow, this brings up so many questions. whose name will they put on the vehicle they travel in? will they call it trailing plump? so trump is showing palin the town. i'm sure he's showing her all the best. trump where you are guaranteed to contract gout. the disease of kings. >> the two broke bread, went out for pizza in new york's times square. >> you know what? a slice of pizza. respect. >> the place is called famous familia pizza, an albanian chain of pizzerias.

>> what? famous famiglia is at fifth and broadway, i've eaten there. the pizza is fine. i used to eat there a lot when i was working next door at caroline's comedy club. it's good convenience pizza. back in the '80s there weren't a lot of food options in times square. it was that or scarfing down edible underwear from one of the porn shops. and then giuliani took that option away. you know, donald, if you're taking an esteemed visitor to get real new york pizza, famiglia's ain't it. >> we had great pizza. it wasn't that good but it was real new york pizza. >> no! no, it's not. unless real authentic new york pizza can also be found in

terminal four of the phoenix sky harbor international airport. it's a chain. governor palin, no disrespect. you're a guest of our city. we should offer you the finest our hospitality has to offer you. i thought captain combover could have pulled that one off. i mean for [ bleep ] sake it's new york city. i hate to use this term this close to ground zero but we're a bit of a pizza mecca. i mean you know you've got -- you've got lombardi's. honestly lombardi's. go down to lombardi's, little italy. founded in 1905. make their own pork sausage. >> i get my pizza from lombardi's. when jon stewart signs off tonight on his final show on "the daily show" we will enter a new american era where for the first time in 16 years i don't think it's hyperbole to say we really don't know how the

presidential race or politics in general will be covered anymore. not that we don't know they will be covered. they will be but we don't know what it will be like because john stewartjon stewart will be so influential on the news itself. and honestly you know what i'm a liberal and as a liberal, i am really going to miss the greatest practitioner in the nation of the art of making fun of fox news. >> why do i have to drive around with my kids to look for nativity scenes and be like oh, yeah, kids look. there's baby jesus behind the festivus pole made out of beer cans? it's nuts. >> yes. that sounds relatively nuts. why are you driving around looking for nativity scenes in the car when you could just bring your kids to where you

work where you put a giant nativity scene out on the plaza? but as much as i'm used to gretchen's manger danger warnings, little surprised to see megyn kelly going full christmas nog. >> so they have a piece on dot-com, santa claus should not be a white man anymore. for all of you kids watching at home santa is white but this person is just arguing that maybe we should also have a black santa but you know santa is what he is and we're just debating this because someone wrote about it, kids. [ laughter ] >> [ bleep ] just got real. santa is just white. and who are you actually talking to? children who are sophisticated

enough to be watching the news channel at 10:00 at night yet innocent enough to still believe santa claus is real yet racist enough to be freaked out if he isn't white. >> i actually think that fox news channel is going to be sorry to see jon stewart go. i think jon stewart leaving requesting the daily show" will reduce the influence overall of fox news or at least their reach because, yes, every conservative in the country already watches fox news but nobody other than conservatives watches fox news. the way the rest of the country ever found out what was happening over on fox news was mostly by watching jon stewart make fun of them. i will also say this on a slightly more serious point although i mean all of these ones. in all of the tributes and the good-byes that are being written about jon stewart and the lead up to his finale show tonight, i

wish more people gave him credit for one of the issues that he chooses to focus on that he doesn't have to choose but he has consistently done it and that is that he consistently chooses to talk about war and foreign policy and national security and veterans issues. he doesn't have to do that stuff but he does. and i am a liberal who really cares about those issues. i care about those issues almost more than i care about anything else. i was lucky enough to be able to go on his show a bunch of times to talk about those issues. but as hard as i try to get those kinds of issues into the national discussion particularly as a liberal, honestly nobody is better or more consistently good about talking about those issues in a way that everybody understands than jon stewart has been all these years, and i will miss that. >> the defense department uses a medical tracking program called alta while the v.a. uses a gem superior program called vista and those two programs are

unable, i swear to you this is true, those two programs are unable to communicate with each other. how insane is this complication? even the analogy explaining why the two computer systems can't work together is fundamentally flawed. >> an xbox and a playstation can play the same game on the same tv screen but they don't talk together. >> that makes sense. here is the thing. an xbox and a playstation don't talk because they're competitors. their mission is to destroy each other. which is not the relationship we expect from the part of government that takes care of our disabled veterans and the part of government that creates them. so while i guess you could spend

spend -- so i guess you could spend a billion dollars over four years trying to get one kid's xbo x-games to work with another kid's playstation games or, as the family's parent or commander in chief, could you just command we're going to just use the xbox. >> the act of making fun of everyone and making fun of everything, i think when jon stewart really rattled people is when it started to emerge in the data started to emerge on the data, young people were not just having a good time watching jon stewart on "the daily show" they were learning about the news from jon stewart on "the daily show." he does do a good job teaching you things while making you laugh. it is an art and a lot of us try to do it but he consistently does it. he also has seeded the landscape with so many other people who

are also good at that particular art that it's hard to imagine political satire in our country going forward without the people jon stewart has brought into it through their roles on "the daily show." >> not only was i finally on the bus, but i was going to get the chance to talk to senator john mccain. >> sir, how are you? you are welcome on our bus at any time. >> let's do a lightning round. >> okay. >> your favorite book. >> for whom the bell tolls. >> favorite movie. >> charlton heston. >> marlon brando. >> close enough. if i were a tree i would be a -- >> if i were a tree i would be a root. >> what does that mean? >> senator, how do you reconcile the fact were you one of the most vocal critics of pork barrel politics and yet while were you chairman of the commerce committee that committee set a record for unauthorized appropriations?

i was just kidding. no i don't even know what that means. >> oh, they all laughed at my little question but two things were abundantly clear. okay, all right. we're gone. it was the wrong question to ask, and i was going to be walking. >> mr. prime minister, let's begin in the formal australian way, good day. >> how do you do? >> obviously gun control doesn't work. it can't work. it will never work. so how was your scheme a failure? >> well my scheme was not a failure. there have been none since. >> zero gun massacres? hold on. did gun control actually work? >> it stopped one thing. that could be a statistical anomaly. >> yeah it was just my shooting disappeared. >> but there were so few.

whoopdedo. shootings are rare anyhow. >> exactly. they probably barely had a massacre before 1996. >> there were 30 in the previous 18 years. in the 18 years before port arthur there were 13 mass shootings. >> yes. >> almost one a year. >> i was unaware they had that many. mass being what, more than two poem at people at a time? >> more than four. >> finally, it was time for bush in the round. >> he's waving. and he has a blue tie. >> i accept your nomination for president of the united states. >> he accepted! i didn't know. i didn't know if he would accept. it was touch and go for a while because pataki rocked the house so hard they could have given it to pataki at the last minute. i would have understood if bush said, no pataki rocked the house. give the nomination to pataki.

he came out and grabbed it and that shows decisiveness and leadership. >> members of both political parties including -- >> the protesters are now being whisked away to an all expenses paid vacation in beautiful guantanamo bay. >> stephen colbert will soon take over for david letterman. john oliver has his successful show on hbo. steve carrel is steve carrel. "the daily show" with jon stewart end tonight. it is hard to imagine our political discourse without him, not just because of the way he shaped the rest of satire but because of the way he shaped the news and politics by being both of it and against it too. and there's a reason the president of the united states did so many shows and bill o'reilly couldn't say no either. you couldn't afford -- you've

never been able to afford. did not take him seriously. if you are a liberal in particular but really for all of us, "the daily show" ending tonight is the end of an american era and an end of an era i do not want to see end. there's a lot else going on in the world tonight, i swear. we'll have a lot on all of that. do stay with us. diabetes steady is exciting. only glucerna has carbsteady clinically proven to help minimize blood sugar spikes. so you stay steady ahead. ♪ i built my business with passion. but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. i earn unlimited 2% cash back on

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an update on how the kids' table debate went over at fox news and we'll be talking more about jon stewart. when jon stewart signs off after 16 years on "the daily show" we're not only going to be losing the funniest pseudo news television anchor but one of the best interviewers ever on the air. jon stewart himself does not consent to doing many interviews to being asked questions. he did do one of those with me and some of that is next.

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do you think that "the daily show" functions just as entertainment? satire is more than entertainment. it is engagement and it is criticism. >> here is what i would say. i feel more of a kinship to jerry seinfeld than i do to what you do or what cnn does or what nbc does in that he's able to articulate. it's been in my head and i know it's been in there but i've never put it together with that of rhythm in four levels

and it's hilarious you were able to articulate that. he is a craftsman. he is the best at being able to craft those moments of sort of these intangible esoteric things and put them together into something that connection people. we try to do the same thing but with a more political, social avenue. if you were to look at our process, he's much more our process than the news is. >> very similar to the way i put my show together. >> i really need to change. >> we have to have the logistics and mechanics of one but the process the material goes through is not a news process. >> it's fact checking. >> it wouldn't be that funny. i think it's pronounced

baltimore. you do that because untrue things stand out like a sore thumb. >> even though you identify yourself as fake news and having -- built with a fake news process -- >> we don't say fake. fake is wrong. that is a misnomer that we use and it's not news anything. we're commenting on the news. >> i think that you think of it differently but i think a lot of people who watch your show and cable news think of what we do as not being that different which sucks for me because i used to be the mildly amusing person talking like using humor to tell the story of the wasteful f-35 second engine on that fighter jet. and now i'm the person trying to be jon stewart and sucking. >> i love that f-35 that engine bit killed them. that used to be my bit. >> even if you're not launching

it in the same way, it's being received in the same way. what you're doing were not seen as being all that different. >> the only thing i would say -- it doesn't worry me. i can understand how it would worry people in the news. but i am highlander. there's been a form of me around in forever. a comedian who with political and social concepts criticizes them from a haughty yet ultimately feckless perch throwing things. the box that i'm in has always existed. the box you're talking about, i think, is new. i do think if that's moving towards me, that's okay. i feel like i'm on pretty solid ground with the footsteps of my

ancestors. that's all -- i don't happen if the smothers brothers don't happen. that's always existed. >> jon stewart is doing his final episode tonight of "the daily show" on comedy central and, yes, there's the first republican presidential debate too. honestly jon stewart signing off after 16 years is the thing that's going to go down in history about tonight. "the daily show" happens on a news like set. when he retires tonight, they're moving the whole set to the newseum in washington. mr. stewart told me in that interview calling his show fake news was not exactly the right term. that doesn't mean people haven't been getting their news from jon stewart happily for years now. and jon stewart and stephen

colbert pushed it further. remember when they did a real live washington, d.c., rally as a way of making fun of washington, d.c. rallies by holding a washington, d.c., rally? "the daily show" has been so influential in the media had a it has made us wonder if the line was getting too blurred. right after the 2000 election you said something to the effect of bush said can we have the recession outside today because the weather is so nice with the idea being that george bush is an idiot. an infantile person who thinks recess and recession are the same thing. after the tea bag the white house before they tea bag you, what the whole idea it is and

funny they don't get what that word choice means. i sort of feel like we're doing the same thing. you exaggerate in order to be funny or to make a point. and everybody understands it's an exaggeration. >> that's true. >> we both have a commitment to not lying, to telling the truth even when -- >> as we see it. >> yeah. >> i mean everybody does it. i don't doubt that it's genuine. there is a part of me that feels like there's a high-mindedness that doesn't exist. i feel i do have liberties you don't have. and i could lose them by stepping into that. what i would gain is a little bit more dignity. i'd have more skin in the game.

so that i very much admire. i also think there's a part of me that says these rules have exist existed for people such as me forever and we're not the ones bending them. >> we're getting to be more like you. until the rally and then you got more like us. >> yeah. because i felt like in 12 years i earned a moment to tell people who i was. and that's what i did. and this isn't going to be me forever. i try to get on the field and help people just in a different way. not through the show. >> you're a mench for spending this much time for us. >> that's a yiddish word. i like you. there's, you know we can have different points about this is a

little bit unfair. i completely agree. what happens in discourse is not precise. but what is important, i think, is the place that people come from. and it's important to remember like when i do those things i do try to remember where i think people are coming from and i'm trying to do better in my life remembering that from even those that i really disagree with and i think some of that is based on, you know the whole idea -- i don't know if you know the iranian journalist who was arrested. as i said there are real enemies in the world and really just bad, evil things. but there are a lot less than watching all of this stuff think that there are. and that's all that i just try and remember in my own head to keep saying because you have to understand i watch this stuff

like clock work orange. i'm strapped to a chair. it just comes out. if you watch local news all the time, you're going to think something terrible is going to happen to your family a lot. you will feel fear more than -- >> i will definitely be afraid of driving for car crashes. >> or the intestinal flu. here is the most amazing thing about this interview. i have not thrown up once while we've been doing this. the longest in 24 hours i have gone. you are like ginger root. you are the ginger root of interviewers. you have pulled things out of me i never knew were there and yet still i leave not nauseous. >> he had the stomach flu. but he didn't bar off in the room and i carry that triumph with me still. i am a huge huge fan of jon stewart and i think he is important. i think his work on "the daily show" at comedy central has made our country a better country. i think it has made politics more accountable, the news media

sharper and more self-conscious and ultimately better. this show you're watching here this host would not be here if it were not for the influence of jon stewart and his success in doing what he does. and i'm sure that trevor noah is going to be great and i look forward to him taking over over there. but between us i will miss jon stewart on "the daily show" like a house on fire. his last show after 16 years is later tonight. thanks for all the time jon. i appreciate it. >> i don't want to because i'm sick. there you go.

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today the democratic party announced the debate schedule for hillary clinton and bernie sanders and the other democrats vying for the democratic nomination for president this year. those fabulous five we now know will have six debates in total -- six debates to pencil into their busy campaigning schedules. the first october 13 in nevada. think about that. they don't start until october. and the last february or march. the first debate is still more than two months away from now. the republican kids' table debate, that happened at 5:00

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well that was cruel. bottom line i think it was mean. gratuitously insulting and undermining and patronizing and it did not have to be that way. viewers who tuned in to fox news at 5:00 eastern tonight for what fox news has been insisting was supposed to be a legitimate debate for the candidates who didn't make it in tonight, viewers who turned in for that this is the first image that fox news showed them on their screens. this is what fox put on screen a completely empty stadium, gigantic stadium full of seats with no people in them. and throughout their entire broadcast forecast gave no explanation for why this giant room was so empty. fox news gathered these poor people on stage, put them on tv speaking with an echo into an

empty arena that seats 20,000 people and then they took care to make sure those of us watching at home would see -- look behind them. every time there was a shot of the stage, look at the seats on the side. every time. you could see the lack of a crowd. they seemed to go out of their way to show it. the awkwardness was humiliating and weird and nobody explained why. you're left to wonder, oh, could people have gone to this event and they choose not to because these they chose not to because they are so unimportant? there were a few people around. fox, in fact went out of their way to show the very few people who were there scattered throughout the arena. whoever they were they were quite obviously not paying attention, look, to the debates

and the candidates. there were people on their phones texting or something right behind the moderators. you see the little glow of people moving equipment around setting up presumably for the main event later, ignoring the debate going on talking, laughing. it was bizarre and insulting and such an incredible disservice to these candidates and it was mean for fox to shoos it that way. they didn't have to. political reporters were trying to figure out why fox news and the republican party made the decision to stage it this way. the chairman for the state of ohio told us in response to our questions about it, told us this. quote, there was no audience for that debate. oh okay. this was the plan all along to put these candidates on stage like this and allow no audience except for a few stragglers and

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so this was the shot. this was the angle on stage fox news kept putting on screen over and over again at the consolation prize debate. it's a fine shot until you notice that clearly visible in the shot what's going on here is the fact that senator lindsey graham is standing on a carpeted riser to make him look taller and that might seem like a small thing but showing it -- showing this one candidate over and over again on a riser when nobody else is using one is not the image a presidential candidate wants to project. fox news did not have to show

that. news organizations regularly make sure they don't show something like that as a kindness to the candidates. but fox news showed it over and over and over. they called the only female candidate on the stage by her first name. they did not have to do that either. >> carly, you were ceo of hewlett-packard. >> imagine the moderators calling, hey rick you were governor of texas. it's hard to imagine that for a reason because that sort of thing didn't happen with any of the male candidates only the woman gets called by her first name. and then there were the you don't deserve to even be here round of questions. >> the first question to governor perry from texas. you were in charge of the 12th largest economy of the world and you recently said four years ago you weren't ready for this job. why should someone vote for you now? >> carly, you were ceo of hewlett-packard, ran for senate and lost in california in 2010. this week you said margaret thatcher was not content to

manage a great nation in decline and neither am i. given your current standings in the polls, is the iron lady comparison a stretch? >> senator santorum you won the iowa caucus years ago and ten other states but you failed to beat mitt romney for the nomination. has your moment passed senator? >> those questions on their own in a different context legitimate questions n. this context, though fox news asking these candidates to justify their existen while fox news does everything to show them in a way that will make them look pathetic, they did nothing but further undercut these candidates even more than they were already being undercut by the logistics and visuals of the event. despite all of that though despite the terrible unexpectedly terrible position that these candidates were put in by fox news gratuitously some of them did okay. seriously. actual highlights next. i'm not kidding.

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the fox news channel set up and shot the first republican candidates debate that start at 5:00 p.m. eastern and included the candidates fox would not let into their other debate. they set that up and shot it for television in a way that was gratuitously insulting and undercutting to the candidates who were unlucky enough to be on that stage. that said some of the candidates tonight found a way

to have some shining moments. and i mean it. louisiana governor bobby jindal for example, went after jeb bush tonight in a concise and passionate way. what do i know but to my ear it worked. he did this in a way that is likely to resonate with republican primary voters. what do you think? >> jeb bush says we have to be willing to lose the primary in order to win the general. that's the establishment telling us to hide our conservative principles to get the left and middle to like us. we will lose again. we will deserve to lose again. >> we will lose again and we will deserve it. strong answer. former senator rick santorum had a bright moment. he spoke personally and effectively when he was asked about immigration and how specifically he would handle deporting undocumented adults who have kids who were american citizens. watch how he does this. this is why it's worth taking rick santorum despite all the reasons you don't.

>> what would you say to a child born and raised in america who could see their family broken apart by your policy? >> mypolicy? >> my father was born in italy. shortly after they immigrated to this country. under the laws of this country, he wasn't allowed to be with his father for seven years. he spent in italy under not a pleasant place to be. i asked my dad after i found out about this. i u said, didn't you resent america for not letting you be with your father in this formative and threatening years. he said to me america was worth the wait. >> he should have stopped the answer there because after that good part he seemed so psyched to be sticking that answer that the rest of his statement headed off into an incoherent place but the beginning was great. it was very good. and the question everybody knew would be asked sooner or later,

the donald trump question, they essentially phrased it to all these candidates as to why is donald trump so much more awesome than you are. they asked that question of carly fiorina and frankly i think she hit it out of the park. >> like it or not donald trump, there's a huge disparity between the poll numbers. so carly fiorina, is he getting the better of you? >> i don't know. i didn't get a phone call from bill clinton before i jumped in the race. did any of you get a phone call from bill clinton? maybe it's because i hadn't given money to the foundation or donated to his wife's senate campaign. here's the thing i would ask to donald trump in all ousness. he is the party's front runner. he's tapped into an anger that people feel. they are sick of politics as usual. whatever your issue, your cause, the festering problem you hoped would be resolved the political class has failed you. that's just a fact and. that's what donald trump taps into. i would also just say this.

since he's changed his mind on amnesty, health care and on abortion i would just ask what are the principles by which he will govern? >> well aimed, reasonable memorable and sometimes attacking another candidate can make you look weak but the way carly fiorina and some of these candidates handled these questions i think made them look strong. some of them got it right tonight. some of them also struggled a lot to be frank. one candidate, who i think is usually a great political communicator, even though i disagree with him on everything, i think is one of the best in politics not just in the presidential field. he delivered a very very weak performance tonight. that was south carolina senator lind esey graham. >> we need somebody ready to be commander-in-chief on day one who understands there are no moderates in iran. they have been killed a long time ago. >> no moderates left in the entire nation of iran. none. even the babies.

70 odd million people live there. none of them are anything but hard liners. we have an iranian-american producer on our staff who heard him say that in the debate and she turned around and said i'm going to have to call my family in iran and let them know that they are either hard liners or they are dead. they are going to be upset to hear that. while lindsey graham was fumbling over his words, he was on his way to trying to make a substantiative point. he said tonight in this debate that not only does he think there should be u.s. troops on the ground in iraq and syria indefinitely not only is that his policy another land war in the middle east starting now, he also believes that that should be a litmus test for anybody else who wants to run for the nomination. he put it out there tonight. if you do not want a new american ground war in the middle east, you're not even. fit to run for president. >> one thing i want to be clear

about tonight, if you're running for president of the united states and you don't understand that we need more american ground forces in iraq and that america has to be part of a regional ground force that will go into syria and destroy imogen lloyd webber in syria, then you're not ready to be commander-in-chief and you're not serious about destroying inging isis. >> he's interesting to watch. tonight it felt like he was between bursting into tears and falling asleep. he didn't do a good job. that said, that's a remarkable statement for a presidential candidate. a litmus test issue for any republican candidate. that would be the thing that could generate a headline but honestly, that answer and the rest of the substance that was suppose supposed to come out of this debate got fully lost in this. in what fox news did to these candidates in the the humiliating optics that they set up that swallowed the entire

event. it is understandable why these seven candidates if you go back in time, it's understandable why they said yes to being in this thing. you think about when they were asked. running for president, don't fit the ridiculous changing criteria to make the debate stage. at the time they got asked, you would still say yes to being in this kids table debate at 5:00. you might have felt insulted but you would say yes because at least you get to be on stage and on fox news. you can understand why they all decided to participate when they were asked. nobody turned fox news down. but in retrospect the way fox news set this thing up look mind the moderators. the way they set them up to be embarrassed and diminish ued by their appearance in this thing, politically it was a mistake for any of them to be there tonight because no matter how strong a performance they gave no matter how on point they were through no fault of their own, they were diminished by taking part in this thing because of the way

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sanders. but now check out the next one which is going to beat them all. this weekend bernie sanders is going to be in portland, oregon. the campaign announced they have had to move the event. from a 13,000-seat coliseum to a larger venue to one that seats 20,000 people because they think they are going to need it. sunday, portland oregon bernie sanders. setting the bar higher and higher and higher. that does it for us tonight. good evening, lawrence. >> thank you, rachel. . we will be checking in live with chris matthews and the team in cleveland, who are watching every minute of that debate there. we'll also be going to watch parties around the country beginning with a trump watch party in iowa. first i'm joined by guests that have watched that first hour of debate and i'd like to start by getting their halftime estimates of who is doing well. let's begin with chuck todd,