dying. [ laughter ] >> narrator: jon stewart has left the building. >> we open the gates, lock up. >> i'm not disappointed in anything i've made decisions that i've made you have to be a strong-minded individual. >> i have seen staff die. >> i have lost over a pint and a half of blood and the doctor said i don't know how much i can help you. >> i wish i could touch him.

this is better than nothing. >> i burned someone after i shot him. >> i get to be here until i die: i have double life and i have to stay here until i die. >> i don't know how you feel about it but i'm ready to receive something from god. >> with my retirement pending, i was in jail for having taken someone's life. >> the day of an execution the entire facility goes on lockdown. if there's no last-second appeal, the offender is advised the execution is to commence shortly. >> denial is rife in the death penalty. i don't think my mother especially ever thought that i would be executed. the oldest maximum security facility in the state of indiana is the indiana state prison located near the shores of lake michigan. for years, isp, as it's known, had a reputation as one of the tough nest the state, but as you're about to see in the next

hour, new policies and philosophies are trying to make this a place where history won't repeat itself. fortressed beliepdhind a 40-foot high wall that's a mile long is the indiana state prison. originally built to house prisoners during the civil war, isp houses some of the state's most serious criminals. nearly 2,000 inmates spend their days behind these century old walls. >> the number one charge at this facility is murder. approximately 70% of the offenders housed here are housed here for taking the life of another human being. >> while the majority of prisoners have committed violent crimes, the prison has worked hard to create a safe environment for both staff and inmates. one improvement was the administrative segregation unit. >> back in the early '90s we had problems throughout the whole institution where we had violence every place. we had assault, fights

stabbings, all the different stuff that goes along with that and what we did is we found with administrative segregation unit and we isolated the ones that was doing this and after we did that we pretty much stopped our assaults and everything else. we still have assaults on these units up here in our disciplinary segregation unit but it's down about 85% in population. >> the men housed are allowed one hour for recreation in an enclosed yard. the rest of the time they're con filed to their cells. >> this is my la-z-boy my chair. sitting in this cell for years and years and years will mess your back up because these steel beds, and through the years people jump up and down on them so that makes them uneven and it gives you a back problem for the rest of your life. >> convicted of murder and attempted murder as a teenager jocko bailey was give an 40-year sentence. he has spent more than 11 years

in ab-sag. >> it's challenging being locked up in the as unit. because you have the opportunity to be still and decide what you want the rest of your life to look like it's boring and it's cold and it's lonely. it's not a fun place to be. >> food books, legal materials and even spiritual guidance are delivered to the inmates' cells. >> god bless you. i'm just going to get out of here, i won't bother you anymore. >> father tom mcnally, a retired priest, works as a volunteer chaplain. he reoutinely visits the men in add-sag but must wear a protective vest at all time. >> i just come out here and you can to the men, any that want to talk to me. some are catholic some are not. if i can do anything to help them, maybe get them a greeting

card or magazine. above all, if they want me to pray with them i'll pray for them, for their intentions and just sort of be with them for a while. tell me, have you taken a look at that book yet? >> oh -- >> i don't want it back unless you're finished? >> i've read it about halfway "the memory palace." >> good seeing you, i'll pick up the book the next time. i'll get it back in the library. see you later. >> there's nothing i do in here. i stay in my cell 23 and a half hours a day. you know it's hard to get through days. you see the conditions of these cells. i need all the help i can get. >> ernie johnson serving 26 years for robbery was sent to add ad-seg for assaulting another inmate. >> i have a real problem with child molesters and i don't like them around me i don't want them near me i don't even want them in this prison. as far as i'm concerned, they can die and when they get around

me and they start talking and they think it's okay to reveal they're child molesters, ever time they say that i'll smash them. >> before an inmate is send to ad-seg he must serve time in the idu, in this highly secured cell block prisoners have fewer privileges and no contact with each other. >> kind of like the prisoner jail inside the prison. they're not allowed to have hot puts up here or anything they can cook with. they have limited property they're allowed to have up here. any time they come out of their cell they have to be restrained behind their back with an escort. the offenders are the most violent offenders in the prison so at any time they might try to reach out and stab you through the bars, if you're on the cat walk, if they have a homemade weapon they can stab you that way. an offender who is good can slip the handcuffs if you're not careful and they can assault you that way. >> nicholas corbin was sentenced

to one year in idu, the maximum amount of time. >> a fight went down within my cell house and i was accused of being involved with it. an individual needed to be taken to an outside hospital and because of that i was sent up here. i'm not disappointed in anything i've done. i've made the decisions that i've made you know we're caged like animal 23s hours a day. we're giving food that's of poor quality. there isn't enough of it to keep us full in between meals and that's just how we live our lives. up next -- >> my life almost ended right upstairs. it was just that easy. within seconds your whole life can change. >> an officer returns to the scene of a brutal attack that almost killed her. and later, we'll take you inside isp's death row. >> this is the holding area for the condemned defendant.

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65% of the people employed by the indiana state prison are custs who officers who have direct exact the prisoners. >> what's the biggest challenge inside the walls? >> making it back outside the wall. >> it's how you present yourselves to the offenders. >> we're ready in charlie. >> these guys will not give us a lick of respect unless we respect them first. we treat them like men. we treat them like human beings. we don't talk down to them. i go out of my way not to know what particular crime they're in here for because i don't want to be judgmental. >> most correctional officers agree that maintaining authority without provoking hostility is a delicate balancing act.

>> you've got to pick a line draw in the the sand and stick to it. you can't vary everyday. you can't be their buddy tomorrow and be hard on them the day afterwards. you have to stick to your guns and just hold true to what you believe in and just do your job. you don't have to be supercop, you just have to do your job. >> what's up mississippi, how are you doing? everything going good. >> yeah. >> all right. >> lieutenant edward howard currently runs c-cell house. >> c-cell house is the largest cell house in the state of indiana, second-largest in the nation. we have 3860 fenders here. i've been here 13 years. i've spent half of my time in this cell house. from an officer to a sergeant to a lieutenant and i've always said if you can run this cell house you can run anything here. >> how are you? >> fine and yourself? >> good how are you doing? >> staying out of trouble. >> i see you're making your hollywood debut. >> is that what it is? my secret to running the c-cell house is respect, communication, talking to these guys like men.

i don't treat them like children they're grown men. they ask me a question i give them an honest answer. if i don't have the answer i'll find the answer for them. i've responded to too many emergencies, fightings, stabbings, numerous medical emergencies, hangings. personally me no i have never been assaulted. >> lieutenant chris st. maarten was one of the first women to work at indiana state prison. an isp veteran of 16 years, she was promoted to become the first female lieutenant at the facility. >> when i came in the only place a female could work was in front of gate three. the only other females were medical staff at that time and then with a change population change and the schematics we finally started to work our way behind the walls. a lot of the females actually quit when they found out they had to go in. i was one of the lucky ones. i had joined the canine unit prior to us coming inside the walls so by the time they opened it up for us most of the fellows knew me already and i

wasn't the strange oddity coming inside. like i said it's all in internal affairs while you're in key lock. >> you know i ain't do nothing. >> i know but right now i need you to lose the sheet and the posters off the back wall. acceptance by staff and inmates is a hard thing to learn in here. sometimes respect comes a little quicker than it does with males. a lot of it is ego when they're bucking the male staff where they don't have to prove anything to a female. hey. i need you to take your clothes off the conduit because that's not allowed and that extra little shelf you got going, that's a no-no. okay? you always have to have your eyes and ears open. you have to sense the atmosphere, the environment. but i have seen staff assaulted. i have seen staff die. it's a very violent environment and it can happen. nobody i don't believe really knows the true reasons why

sometimes. >> i'm really nervous. i'm really nervous. >> two years ago, officer karen tally was brutally assaulted and nearly died. today is her first day back behind the walls of b-cell house. karen originally started work at the prison in 1997. >> in the michigan city area there's not a lot of jobs and i had two small children and i had to find a job that could pay the bills, you know? and be able to support them. >> at the time officer talley was responsible for supervising b-cell house. an important part of her job was securing the inmates back in their cells with a system called rolling of the bar, an archaic locking device left over from an earlier era. >> that day it ran late and i said "come on guys get in your cell, if you miss roll lines, you know what happens." i figured all of them would be in. i rolled the bar. bigger than anything here's three of them didn't make it.

so i went down the range and i started at the end and worked my way up. the last cell that missed roll-in was 424. i locked his door and went to 418, locked his door went to the next cell 410. i said come on go on in your cell. he said "i'm not going in." i said "just go in." i had never had an incident never had cross words with him and he kept slow walking and this was totally out of the norm. at this time a sick feeling just overcomes you and you think, wow, something's not right. so i called for my sergeant on the radio, he said "it will be a minute." and the guy just hit me. and the first hit i believe knocked me out. i remember going down. and i don't remember the actual impact of hitting the ground. >> she was up against the expanded metal in the fetal

position and he kept kicking at her, aiming at her head her stomach, tried to get to her kidneys. another officer on the unit, assigned to the unit, came up the back stairwell and seen an incident, called the signal 7 and came to her aid. >> both of my eyes were busted right in the eyebrows. i had 50 stitches in my eyebrow. he broke my jaw. it was broken two places. i had on my forehead he kicked the skin from my skull. i had lost over a pint and a half of blood that day and the doctor said "i don't know how much more you could have taken had he kicked you one more time. he could have killed you. without a doubt, you could have died." >> you're all right. you're okay. you're okay. let's get you through this. good job.

good job. good job. good job. almost there. almost there. there you go. safe and sound. you want me chair? take the big black one. here, sit down. >> seeing her come into that emergency room and the fear in her eyes and one of the first things she said to me was "why me? why did this happen?" and i didn't have the answers for her. and at that -- that really is difficult when you can't answer a fellow staff member why.

>> close three. close two. >> currently officer talley monitors the trucks that deliver food to the prison. the inmate who attacked her faces ago have separated battery charges and was moved to another facility. >> the only contact i have is with the pdr officer and the tower officer. that's it. i only have contact with personnel. i never have offender contact. coming back was really difficult. it was really, really difficult. but i have small children and you'd have to -- in life you have to adapt and overcome things and pretty much i've had to do that. i had to come back to show them that, you know someday you have to face your fears and you may be scared to death but you know you'll be okay. >> up next, the harsh price one inmate pays for breaking the rules. >> i wish i could touch and hug but i guess this is better than nothing. ♪ ♪

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activity behind prison walls. >> basically what we have is we've gathered intelligence through the offender phone system that indicates several visitors may be in fact in possession of narcotics and or other contraband. they're coming down through a shakedown area now. we're going to basically confront those individuals. the first suspect is being searched with an a scan right now. >> the ion scan is a small vacuum-like machine that screens for drugs by collecting and identifying particles from clothing. >> this is the second suspect. he's also being scanned at this time. we scan the hands and basically the arms, the collar anywhere somebody might reach with their hands after handling contraband. he's very apprehensive about what's going on. you can see this first suspect, she's standing with her arms crossed: she's very closed in. he also did the same thing. basically that's kind of a protective type stance. >> officers move in to question

the suspects. >> ha they're doing now is interviewing them see if they have enough probable cause to make an arrest on the spot. which allows you to make a search and then obtain the material that they would have on themselves or if they don't have enough probable cause and the people are not cooperating and they say they want to leave, then we have to let them leave. but in that case, if a superintendent is going to bar them forever for ever visiting anybody in the department of correction because the evidence we have is so strong. >> they have elected to leave grounds instead of going through the more thorough search. and so that's where we're at right now. i would suspect that one or both of them were carrying something and that's based on all the intelligence, the whole picture put together. but obviously we don't have -- i can't prove that by any means, i

just -- basically that's my gut feeling. >> for the offenders who traffic or use contraband including tobacco, the consequences are severe. >> i had three dirty urine tests since i've been here for marijuana. >> jerry bonds, serving 85 years for holding up a liquor store and killing the owner, is now on permanent non-contact visits with his family. >> it hurts dearly. it hurts dearly. they come up here and know -- like my daughter i have one 11 and one 12. my son, he's going on nine. and it's like how can i tell you guys to be good do good in school and stay out of trouble and every time you come to see me i'm on restrictions or i can't have visits because i'm in trouble. and they're like you're kind of a hypocrite, dad. you're telling me to be good but you're not good. my father -- i've never met a man like him. that's the rock of the family right there. a lot of times i feel like i disrespected him by coming this way.

everything he was trying to tell me i needed to pay attention to and i didn't and i would like to tell him i'm sorry because i didn't. and there's one person i have to prove to that i have changed because if i could just be half the man he is i'll be a better person. i'm just anxious, man. i want to see them so bad. i wish i could touch them and hug them. i guess this is better than nothing. what's up? tell eddie to grab the other phone. what's up man? how y'all doing? you're looking cute.

you get your present? >> the hardest part is like seeing him behind the glass and and -- he's in here and stuff so i really want him to get out. >> the kids can't hug him. like i told him, he's hurting his kids. i can stand the hurt, sometimes kids can't. >> thanks for bringing me up dad. >> we ran into some problems on the interstate we were running a little late. i'll let you talk to your mom. >> all right. >> love you. >> love you, too. >> hi, how are you doing? >> thanks for bringing them. how are you doing? >> i'm fine, glaed to see you. >> you okay? >> yes, ma'am, yes, ma'am. >> we only have an hour when we come up here with a contact visit so for them to hold his hand and touch his face and give him a kiss that carries them to the next visit. >> what's up? how you doing? i ain't seen you in what? two, three months. you being good?

>> uh-huh. >> you still doing good? school? >> uh-huh. >> you just get here this morning? >> uh-huh. >> look up let me see you, let me get a smile, man, i ain't seen you in a while. >> i want him to be here and then i don't want him to be here. i want him to like learn his lesson while he's here so when he comes home he knows right from wrong and knows what to do and not to do at the right time so he won't do it again. is. >> i want to let him know we love him no matter what but make it easier on us when we come up here. >> if bonds maintains a clean record for one year he can petition to get his contact visits restored. >> i'm praying and hoping hoping this is the last time they have to come up here like this and see me behind the glass because it's not a good feeling. it's not a good feeling. >> up next -- >> ultimately, the worst thing i think they have to deal with is that you get up one morning knowing that you only have 12 18 hours to live. i mean, that's an awesome thing to have on your mind.

>> inside indiana state's execution chamber.

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death row at isp but many of them could be put to death there. >> the death penalty was reinstated in indiana in 1977. nearly two dozen men are houses on isp's death row. >> how are you doing? let me know if you need anything. >> when we get this perceptions but that these guys are total monsters but there is a chance that every individual can in the heat of the moment do something that they're not proud of and regret very much. ultimately i think the worst thing you have to deal with is you get up knowing you only have 12 18 hours to live. that's an awesome thing to have on your mind. >> death row cells are larger than most, measuring about 10 feet by 12 feet but this section of the prison operates like a segregation unit. >> a day consists of them being in their cells for 22 1/2 hours.

currently they get an hour outside of their cell for recreation then they get 30 minutes for a shower. and unless they're going out on a pass to medical or on a visit, most of their time is spent in their cells. >> each week superintendent ed bus visits face to face with every offender in the unit. >> segregated offenders tend to have a higher rate of suicide. they tend to develop mental illness quicker than offenders who are walking around in open population. so by doing that, we get a chance to see, talk to everyone of them gauge how they're doing from week to week and on death row that's really important. >> how's the cat? is she shy? >> to help inmates cope with their sentences. superintendent buss approved a feline adoption program. >> everything in your cell working? >> yup. >> i was chosen to adopt and i got one the day after i asked to

be put in the program. >> convicted of murder 1982. mark wisehart has been on death row for 23 years. >> when they sentenced me to death 23 years ago, i thought -- i thought i was going to be dead in four or five years. and instead i've watched men i knew for 20 years go in front of me and that's been hard. i didn't know if i wanted to bring a cat into a place like this where she's going to have to be restrained and i can't take her outside but i think she knows i love her and it's a tradeoff, i guess. i've never been responsible for anybody but me in my whole life. and i have to care for her and she cares for me. she loves me and i love her. i think that's pretty cool. >> the big things you end to handle well. it's little annoyances everyday that get under guy's skins. the little petty things that mount up. and when you've had this amount of stress level, you don't

really need those type of things but a lot of times you get them anyway and you have to find a way to handle them, to deal with them. everybody deals with them in a different way. some guys exercise. some watch tv. some read. do cross word puzzles. it depends on whatever. but, you know, we don't a whole lot we can do in here because this is our world more or less. >> eric wrinkles was convicted of shooting and killing his estranged wife her brother and sister-in-law. >> a combination of drugs and a divorce, child custody and visitation visitation. i was into methamphetamine pretty heavy at the time. one thing led to another and here i sit. i think my kids don't want to deal with it at all. and my mom, she's just now coming to grips with the situation. >> for inmates on death row, their day of execution is never far from their minds.

>> the day of an execution. the general population goes to breakfast in the morning. after breakfast, the entire facility goes on lockdown. >> at approximately 5:00, the offender will be seen by medical one last time he'll say good-bye to his family, friends, loved ones and he will be walked by the death watch team over to the death chamber. this is the holding area for the condemned offender. he's brought here approximately six to seven hours before the execution occurs. he will be placed in this cell. he will have access to a spiritual advisor, access to television and a telephone so he can make any last-second phone call he is needs to make leading up to the execution. this is where the visitors are brought to witness the execution shortly after midnight. the blinds are closed, when a team is ready to begin or commence the execution, the blinds will be opened. the offender will be allowed to acknowledge the witnesses and then the execution will proceed

the condemned offender will be placed on the gurney the mechanical restraints will be taken off, he'll be put in leather restraints as well as extra mechanical restraints. the iv team will insert ivs in both of the condemned offender's arms. the offender is asked for his final words which are audio recorded and written down. if there's no last-second appeals, the offender is then advised that the execution is to commence shortly. he's told to look over and acknowledge his witnesses. after he's done that, the order for the execution to commence begins. >> denial is rife in the death penalty. i don't think my mother especially ever thought that i would be executed but, you know you can't say that . >> up next -- >> i've been in this business 26

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it can be if you could fill this out for me sir. >> reginald smith, a convicted robber was recently released from another maximum security facility for crimes that include felony possession of a firearm and conspiracy to escape. he will spend the next 16 months at indiana state. >> sad to say i was out only municipal months i was only out nine months. drugs, this is where i find myself, back in another maximum security facility again. >> smith is not alone. a large number of inmates who are brought to isp have previously served time. >> i've been in this business 26 years and i've had offenders tell me "boss, i'll never be back." or "this is the last time i'm doing time." unfortunately, they've said it to themselves many times. but when they get out of an institutional setting like the maximum security prison we're in today, there is a true barrier in front of them. >> to cut down on the number of offenders who end up back behind

bars, the state of indiana has mandated an intensive reentry program. >> reentry is about preparing individuals to return to their community. i've had offenders that were the toughest of convicts inside a system and their lip quivers when i tell them they're getting ready to go home because they're fearful of that whole transition. these guys have been given the structure of life that you and aren't accustomed to. they know when to get up they know when to go to bed, they know when to process everything in their day and you know what? in the free world those are choices that we make so we have to teach them how to acquire the skill set necessary to make good choices. >> reentry courses are mandatory and began two years before an inmate's release date. >> we will separate them from general population and put them a separate housing unit and give them intensive classes on life skills and cog anity thinking. >> guys will say things you'll expect some changes once you get out of here.

>> society itself has probably changed a lot. buildings and people itself attitudes, you never know what you're going to run into when you get out. >> one of the main things you have to realize and understand is you have to accept yourself first. you have to accept the terms that you come to and things you've done. and as long as you can accept yourself first that's a start to society. >> we talk about social skills how to choose your friends and make sure you're choosing the right friends. people in are going to help you instead of people that maybe will help you to get back here. >> good morning. >> good afternoon, mr. jennings i'm miss carnegie. >> nice to meow. >> nice to meet you, too. have a seat. today we're going to interview for the position of material handler. >> mock job interviews sometimes reveal the harsh reality of making in the the real world. >> and what did you do in prison to prepare you for your release? >> i had to look inside myself and decide what i wanted out of life and i went through

substance abuse, i went through some anger management training. and i decided what i wanted for myself. >> ricky collins appears confident -- until it comes to the subject of his incarceration. >> oh, yes, i was incarcerated for armed robbery, i was -- about five years. yes. >> and where are you incarcerate incarcerated? >> i was incarcerated in several little joints throughout indiana, you know? >> the biggest problem is they tend to look down a lot. and i tell them whatever you did, whatever crime you committed, you've done your time far so lift your head up. notice you have nothing to be ashamed of you've done your time. that's why weapon do this because it's very important they know that. >> at isp, self-improvement is also available to those whose release dates are deck wades away. >> i tell my mother all the time, don't think of me as being this prison. i'm in here trying to better

myself, you know what i mean? she's worried about me because i am sex offender and it's hard on sex offenders in prison in this environment. i got a class a felony child molestation. we had sex one time, she came up pregnant and had a baby. when she found out she was pregnant i turned myself in. i'm 35. i'll be 56 if i do the whole bit. i made the worst mistake of my life. i made the wrong decision and now i'm really -- i'm paying for it. >> all right. last week we did lesson six. >> mark receives psychological counseling and attends anger management classes. >> i strike out first, i violate others instead of being violated and that seems to get me in into a lot of trouble. a lot of times my motive was just to get what i wanted whatever i wanted when i wanted. >> you could do whatever you

needed to do. >> do whatever i needed to do. >> i'm more than willing to be in all the programs that i can find out there. do whatever i have to do to be part of my family's life and make up for the wrong that i done. done. >> prison saved my life. i hate to say that but prison save mid-life. >> how are you doing today? >> joseph monagan is serving a 60-year sentence for a murder he committed as a teenager. he wound up in d-cell house, a housing unit with a tough reputation. >> everybody kept telling me you need to come out of d, you need to come out of d. but i was so wild that i felt like, you know just coming out, going to -- like that was the thing to do. and a couple of the old school brothers, they kind of cornered me, they said "we've seen potential in you because it seems like you're leading this pack." they said "you're going to

school. you're going to go to school. you're going to quit running around and doing this and doing that." so i was forced to go to school. i hate to say that but they forced me. it sounds harsh, but a lot of people that sign up, they can't even get in school. here i am sitting here i was forced to go to school. the first day was hard because i was just ignorant. i never read no books, even in school i never did nothing to that had something to do with reading. i always had somebody that could be there to explain something to me. oh man, you read that? yeah what was that about? that was my out so i didn't have to read no books. >> monegan eventually passed the ged. >> first time i took it i passed. then they gave me an option you can take a vocational trade or you can take 90 days free time just kick back 90 days you don't have to do nothing. or you can go to college. college? no i ain't never heard of that. not where i'm from. i signed up for college.

>> monegan now tutors other inmates. >> if that person that you're trying to teach does not want to learn, he's stubborn, he stone walls, then that's when guys like me come into the play. because was stubborn and stone wall will so i know what it feels like and i'm willing help you get your ged or whatever it is that you're trying to get, if you're trying to bring your grades up, that's what i'm here for. anything less than that, you can keep the change. up next -- >> with my retirement pending, i was in jail for having taken someone's life. >> a preacher convicted of murder finds a new congregation at isp. >> brothers, we need to know today that change is possible.

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the majority of inmates will spend the rest of their lives here. willard lucas has spent 29 years at isp. >> i'm in here for kidnap/murder. i caught a guy in bed with my old lady and i blowed my top. and i kind of hurt him. i've got to be here until i die. i got double life and i got to stay here until i die. and hopefully i can stay right here where i'm at. but there's a lot of us in here doing multiple life that won't ever get out. and i'm one of them. >> open table. >> open table. 11 in the corner. >> calvin holmes has been in prison for 25 years. >> i have a total of 102 years and two life sentences. i was charged with bank robbery and murder, first-degree murder,

and habitual criminal mdn. i shot a man and burned him up in the car after i had shot him. >> as a younger man, holmes tried to escape from prison twice. >> i was 26 years old and was determined i didn't want to die inside these walls. now i'm 51. i'll be 52 this year. so age and time slows a person down, changes your perspective, attitude, and i've come to accept the fact after several attempts that i can make my life hard in here or i can make it easy. and now i look in the mirror and i don't have the same "i don't care" attitude because i find in the end i do care. it matters what you do in here and it matters what you do out there. >> holmes eventually earned the right to live in one of the prison's minimum security dormitories. >> in here, you look around, you'll find no bars.

you have windows like on the street. it's a state of mind. you look at the bars 24/7 and you can't never get away from the fact that you're locked up. it's a lot better. you have a lot more freedom of movement. the reality is i'm going to die in here and once i come to realize that i slowed down on the things that i was doing. i tried not to dwell on what's on the other side of the walls because if i do, i get to thinking about my freedom. >> we need to know today that change is possible. >> that's right. >> the word of god is proof. >> yes, it is. >> i said the word of god is true. >> amen. >> facing years behind bars, one way inmates at isp try to find strength is through their fade. >> until we get there, you'll never really live in the light. you'll always live in the dark. >> come on, pastor. take your time. >> what's different about this church is that one of the most

popular preachers is also an inmate. >> how many of you brought your bible with you? let's just pray together. heavenly father, thank you for hearing me in the name of jesus. >> i started preaching when i was about 15. and by the time i was 17, i was preaching at a little church in mineral wells, texas. and from there to kansas city where i served with the church for about 20 years or so. >> there comes a time when no matter how hard it is, we have to get on with the business of seeing ourselves the way that we really are. >> amen. >> i had announced my retirement to the church. then within three months of having left kansas city with my retirement pending, i was in jail for having taken someone's life.

so i was charged with murder and given a 50-year sentence. >> he's a very important and compelling figure in the chapel and in faith in this institution. there's an adage that all people in prisons aren't bad people. they just did bad things. i think martin is kind of a person who falls within that realm. >> as a convicted criminal, martin feared that other inmates would never accept him as a man of god. >> and one of the first things that we're going to have to do is we're going to have to learn to talk. i don't know how you feel about it, but i'm ready to receive something from god. >> amen. >> there's a large percentage of the prison who will not come to church because of my role. some don't believe that i have the right to stand where i stand. and i certainly understand that. on the other hand, the fact that i do live here and i have fallen

on these circumstances allows me to speak to things in a way that others cannot. >> i need to know when i get out on main street god will be out there with me. >> amen. >> i need to know. >> the men tell me that they come here because they have found hope. the church continues to grow because it does offer real hope to those who live in a hopeless kind of negative destructive environment. it's an oasis for men who live in a desert. >> ed buss has unplemented a number of changes in the prison including the way in which staff interact with inmates. rather than ruling with an iron hand officers now spent time talking to offenders, solving problems immediately, and rewarding good behavioreior with extra privileges. as a result, the warden says violent offenses at isp have been reduced by 50%. that's our report. thanks for watching. i'm john seigenthaler.

now they're giving her the green light to go on in. >> an assault leaves an inmate injured. >> i never expected her to attack me from behind. >> part of life. you live and you learn. >> everybody watching you like crazy. >> they