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>> due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. >> now the lights go on in had. >> an assault. >> i never expected her to attack me from behind. ? a friendship suffered. >> live and you learn. >> and -- >> you walk in, and everybody is looking at you crazy. look like, man, we just seen ow
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the news. >> they were due to become brothers soon, but now they're accused of a high profile double murder. >> i'm not capable of anything. me shooting somebody is not going to happen. >> one must learn the harsh reality. >> any sign of weakness, they'll eat you. >> sav yan, georgia, one of the nation's top tourest
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destinations. it's a different site. one must do well to avoid. >> come down here. they're going to fight. >> chatham county detention center has a daily population of 1 5shgs00 men and women. most of whom are only charged with crimes and they're awaiting trial for the resolution of they are cases. the man who runs it says many more pass through its booking department every year. >> we bring about 18,000 people in here to be book the a year. that's a lot of people in and out of the jail. many of them get out on bond immediately. those that are still here can't make bond or defendant's exhibit get any bond from the judges. >> such is the case from nathaniel wilkins. >> they have a few questions for you. >> what kind of job skills do
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you have? >>. >> 24 hours earlier he was working as a chef as a popular savannah restaurant, but now he exchanged it for a jail june form. the double homicide occurred in a savannah suburb. >> the murders shocked neighbors. some were told this is the first sign of trouble on this quiet street in decades. stwloo the victims wilkins former boss who was an executive chef they were found shot to death outside their home. wilkins' race came two weeks shy of the crime's one-year anniversary. >> i can tell i cannot -- i didn't have anything to do with it. >> charged with two counts of first degree murder and aggravated assault. wilkins says when he enters his plea, he will plead not guilty. >> he was my old boss. basically everything that i learned as in cooking-wise, i learned from him. me actually trying to do
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something to him, my heart wouldn't allow me to do that at all. >> when we walk in, everybody is looking at you crazy, it's kind of funny. what y'all looking at? we just seen ow the news. it's like -- >> wilkins has had prior stays and convictions including fighting in public places and battery. >> all my charges are issues with fighting. me shooting somebody is not going to happen. >> wilkins add mets, however, that the male victim in this case was his former boss and he had fired him prior to the murder. >> had he say it was slow, and i can honestly tell the truth and say i really wasn't doing my job because i got too comfortable, and when i got comfortable, i really started slacking in my work. >> wilkins says it was weeks between his firing and murders.
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the actual timeline between the murders and the firing has not been released by officials, but wilkins believes it's being used as a motive. >> so police especially trying to use that. at 7:00 that same day that night i ended up getting another job. >> management at the restaurant wilkins says he went to work for would not confirm when he started. nor would they confirm the employment status of wilkins ae co-defendant who says he also worked at the restaurant. in addition to working with wilkins, michael swroenz is also engaged to wilkins' sister and, like wilkins, he too faces charges of aggravated assault and murder when ch he plans to plead not guilty. >> they link me to my brother-in-law because i'm dating his sister. the situation they think he done it and i probably was with him. they don't even know for sure if i was with him. the question they asked me was i there or was i a shooter?
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that's crazy. >> the victims in this case, i never knew them from a can of paint. never seen them in my life before. i haven't been there. i haven't done it. i had no reason to kill these people. the future brother-in-laws believe they had someone that turned hem in. if found guilty, both men would be elswribl for the death penalty. >> people trying to get some poen if they don't have none, basically trying to say i did this. >> just in an instant, your whole life can be ruined like that. it makes me regret knowing certain people, you know? >> it don't matter how much heart you got, how strong of a
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man, i wouldn't wish it on anybody. i pray my kids never do this. woke up here, thought it was a bad dream. i was praying it was just a dream, and it's real. >> i'm sorry for the victims' families, and i really do pray whoever really did it, that's who should be in my position right now. this ain't nowhere to be. i don't want to be that dad that 20 years down the line you see your kids through a glass. oh, no. never take my life [ bleep ] -- >> coming up, another inmate takes michael jones under his wing. >> the first chance they get, they're going to cross you. >> and -- >> i've seen her heading up that way. >> an assault in the female unit. >> they're all cheering it on.
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official tiz chatham county detention center said there's approximately one fight per day. more than 1,500 inmates inside this facility. the vast majority of those fights are between male inmates. >> men got to prove their manlyness. somebody runs the show. they think they're the ones running the show. fortunately, it's not as common for the women to fight. they do seem to keep it a little more in check. i think there's more verbal squabbles than physical altercations. >> less than 24 hours earlier laurie doudi is, in fact, in a fight, and now she has a black eye to show for it zoosh i got hit from behind. she came and i didn't see nothing after that. everything was black.
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>> i let my guard down. i was picking up trash and picking up some trash. i never expected her to come into my cell and attack me from behind. >> morgan was identified thanks to one of the 722 video surveillance cameras throughout the jail. >> this is a video. we've seen her heading up that way. they're all watching. now they're all getting up and moving. that's because another officer has come in over here xshgs they're going to tell her to hold off for a second. so she kind of strolls back over. you can see how she's walking like she's all pumped up. now they're giving her the green light to go on in. she does.
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♪ they're all cheering it on. they love it. they're not the ones going to get in trouble, so what do they have to lose by encouraging a little action? >> seconds later officers respond to the fight and break it up. she's taken to a segregation cell, and there's a hearing on the matter. >> in lockup. part of life, you know? you live and you learn. >> i didn't really feel bad until i was sitting here by myself. like right when i got brought in here. what did i do? why do i do that? so foul. just, i mean, she's a good friend of mine. we were like that. >> her situation is similar to mine. not having nobody to lean back on, so i connect with her, but
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it is jail. >> donna will soon leave the jail to begin a one-year prison sentence for second degree burglary. morgan is awaiting trial on a charge of possession of methamphetamine with intelligent to manufacturer. the two women met in jail and were cell mates. >> we built a stronger connection. i didn't think it was like that. i just thought, you know, sister, friend kind of thing. we had a strong connection. i told her things. she told me things. but she -- at first it was like, okay, you know, give it a try. see what's going on. you know, i'm, like, that's not me. i'm not gay. i was, like, it didn't work out. i was, leak, i can't. >> i say we're just friends. i'm not going to say anything. >> was there a relationship? >> i guess because i have back
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problems. i have skoliosis. i let her give me back massages. it wasn't -- >> donna says the relationship cooled after she was assigned to a different cell. donna got a new cell mates. >> she started telling me she got jealous of my new roommate because we were getting along really well. >> morgan says the fight stemmed from an incident in which she told staff that morgan was making too much noise in the unit and it was interfering with her ability to study for a g.e.d. exam. >> i was being disrespected. they knew she snitched. they all heard her say. why would she call you out like that? if i would have backed down or anything, i would have been disrespected more. kind of everybody like really more so amped it up. go, get her, get her. >> morgan says now she has had a change of heart and wants to
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make amends. >> i need to give a sincere apology and hope that she is still my friend. you know, she doesn't have a lot of people in her life. >> coming up, laura opens up about her real significant other and he is in jail too. >> for a long time i looked at them like they were just monsters. he changed me a lot.
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>> inside savannah, georgia's jail, first inmate michael jones has not been in jail long. long enough to already be laughing off a disturbing first impression. >> when i first came into this cell, the little cubby thing down here where you keep all your private things. i see three jars of petroleum jelly, baby oil. i'm, like, oh, lord. this probably going to be some beg man named tiny, and i'm about to fight for my virginity in this room.
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>> he said his cell mate turned out to be anything but a predator zoosh he is nothing like that at all. he is smart as hell. he been through the system stuff before. that's really helped me a lot on how to make it in here. >> yeah. come on. >> right, right. >> i been around murderers, killers, rapists, drug dealers. i have been around it all. >> i plan -- don't take nothing from nobody that are trying to give you something. you'll be all right. >> hicks has a wealth of experience to draw from. he has had numerous days in jail and quicks with a substance. criminal trespass. >> no honor. they don't care. smile at your face and stab you.
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this antia church choir, man. the first chance they get, they're going to cross you. >> hicks is currently charged with eight felonies. the most serious being three counts. he has pled not guilty and has awaited trial. >>. >> guys will try it. you'll have to show them, look, bam, you won't treat me -- if you don't, they'll run over you. >> jones is one of two men accused of a double murder. his co-defendant is his future brother-in-law, nathaniel wilkins, a former employee. wilkins is housed in another part of the jail. ultimately who say they are innocent. >> i still had -- i tighten up.
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given the gravity of his charges, swroenz can be? jail for a long time before his case is ever resolved. >> when i was told you might be in here for a we're or two years, his reaction was, like, somebody just drained although life out of him. i'm, like, that's not long. he is, like, what? are you crazy? that's two years. yeah, but when he first was coming here, he was telling me about the situation. boom, going to throw it out. they're going to throw it out. i didn't on it. i'm looking at him like, they're not going to just throw this out. >> i'm thinking, okay, once i finally get me a lawyer sometime in a couple of days or something then, you know, you're fine. what grounds do you have my client sitting here for? dent work like that. >> morgan is also charging
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possession of meth met fine and intent to manufacture. jail officials have -- of 060 days which means she will get an hour out per day to shower and go on the yard. she does not get to watch tv. she sdbt get to use the telephone. she does not get to get to comisary or have visitors. >> i mean, i just have 60 days. i have been told she has bruises on her face and a black eye. i felt really bad. she's a pretty girl. i shouldn't have done that to her. >> both women agree that during the month or so they were cell mates they grew very close. she said morgan wanted more from the relationship and that's something morgan neither
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confirmed or denies. >> she's quick on her feet. she tried to gouge out my eyeball. i know she had a good batch of my hair. i know -- >> when i fight, i often black out because i have bad ptsd. i black out when i fight. i don't mean to. when someone hits me it triggers it's a life or death situation. you have to react. i have been abused a lot for my whole life. just a lot of truth. >> she has had a troubled childhood that includes time in group homes, sexual abuse, and being a victim of human trafficking. she says at age 13 she began to cope by cutting herself. >> it was like the adrenaline rush that it gave me was better than a high. it was better than smoking a blunt or popping a pill or something. it was better. then one day i just couldn't take it, and i cut myself a
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little bit too deep, and it scared me because everything went black, and i don't really know -- i didn't know if i hit a main artery. a lot of blood was skirting. >> hers was really traumatic and it's one of the reasons i hope she'll still have me as a friend because i do want to help the girl and i want to -- she doesn't have anybody. >> but not only does she have someone else, he is even you should the same roof over in the men's section of the jail. >> she's very beautiful, small, outgoing. the main thing is she don't ever give up. >> only been together going on
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six months now. been rough, but it's well worth it when you find somebody you care about that much. she's really opened my eyes and changed my outlook on life. >> josh is laurie's boyfriend and co-defendant. they have both been charged with second degree burglary. lawyer where i has already pled guilty and will soon transfer to prison to serve a one-year sentence. he admits to committing burglaries and is negotiating a plea deal you should the state's first offenders act which keeps a conviction off his record provided he successfully completes the terms of the sentence. >> it's all really just a heat of the moment thing. we think we could get money real quick and we made a mistake coming down, and then after that there's no turning back. >> my whole life i knew nothing but burglaryizing. he has never lived that life before, but i burglarized before, and i know that you can get stuff out of it.
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>> i wanted to give her a better life than what i was able to offer her at the time, and i figured the fast life is the only way to do that. i wanted superman to save her life, and take her from the destructive path she was going down. >> for a long time i looked at men like they were monsters. they use people. like they're dogs. i know now that i can't judge everybody because of three, four people's mistakes. he changed me a lot. >> but the relationship currently has a major complication. something even beyond being in jail. >> i feel really bad about the way i met him because he is married, and that makes me look like i have never messed with somebody that's married before. it hurts me not just because he is married, but who he is married to. he is married to my sister.
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>> president obamas wildfires are growing more severe because of climate change. hes the wildfire season is getting clonk longer. employers added -- the unemployment rate held steady at 5.3%. a new york senator charles schumer, the number three democrat in the senate, has come out against the nuclear iran deal. nuclear deal with iran saying there's a strong case we're better off without it. now it's back for "lockup." >> due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised.
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the chatham county detention center in savannah, georgia, is an immense jail covering 20 acres, the equivalent of 15.5 football fields. nathaniel wilkins has occupied a smal sliver of that real estate for the last positive. he is accused of murdering his former boss and that man's girlfriend. >> basically it's overwhelming because, like, every day, like, i wake up in the cell like how many nights i cry. >> wilkins admits his form are boss fired him prior to the murders, but he insists he had no animosity towards him and maintains his innocence. >> i'm actually sitting in here waiting to go to trial. i don't know what trial will be. it might be two years from now, three years from now. i don't have time to waste because i have kids, and i have to go home to. i have no choice. there's nobody out there willing to help anybody once you get
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locked up. once you get locked up, oh -- >> in order to curry favor in their own cases. >> in order to keep everybody in safe, you know, i would rather cut all ties until this is over with. >> jones' cell mate battist hicks has already warned him about this. >> ain't no honor among thieves. they're smiling at your face and stab you in your back. >> and now chris williams has advise for the first time inmate as well. >> high profile my case is. >> exactly. >> just trying to sit around me real close and look for anything
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to try to get -- we've been telling him to keep his distance from anyone. >> say, for instance, i'm sitting here talking with this guy. next thing you know, i see somebody standing as close to me than you would ever usually do, and when i notice you, you're treeing to ease off. i turn around and go to another spot. i see you trying to, you know, ease off with your ears, and i know i'm letting you know. i know what's up, but this ain't no -- i'm not your ticket out of here. you know, give a funny look and walk off. you know what i'm saying? >> what do you think he was doing? keep your distance, man. >> uh-huh. >> everybody want to go home. >> snakes, man. >> don't even have to be guilty, but they'll say something to make me look guilty to the grand jury. >> how does he know? >> first of all, he has nothing to do with me. the way i conduct myself, i
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don't -- except the people i -- >> they don't even know. >> swroenz and wilkins have cut off communication for now, but another pair of co-defendants writes to each other every chance they get. >> happy anniversary. how are you doing today? >> i'm all right except for the fact we can't be together, but i know there's many more to come. i'm just ready to get our lives moving towards a better future. >> laurie and her boyfriend josh were both arrested for second degree burglary. she has pled guilty and will soon serve one we're in prison. he is working with prosecutors for a plea deal. >> we went into a school, got electronics and stuff and we just wanted a quick dollar and everything went downhill there, and then we've been calling each other for a while. we've been together for six months. >> he was trying to -- my whole life being in group homes.
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he tried to spoil me. we didn't have what we needed. i wish -- >> their relationship has another major hurdle to overcome. he is married, and laurie is not only his girlfriend, but his sister-in-law. >> i was married to her sister for three months before me and laurie actually started to talk and started it up, building our relationship. it's just been a very rough road and it's been well worth it. >> even though she hasn't been there my whole life, had he still is related to me, and i'm not saying i'm sorry for meeting him. i'm not saying i'm going to leave him because i'm not. i'm not saying that our relationship is over because -- i'm not saying it. i feel a lot better. >> but for now she says she would rather focus on the future than dwell on the past. she enrolled in the jail's ged
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program and got her high school eye kwefl ensy degree and will soon take her certification test. >> someone can hire her and look back at my resume and say i don't have a ged. >> if you know what the pretext means and if you know what the suffix means, you take those two words. >> it's been a lot. i would like to quit and say i'm done. she won't let me quit. she's always pushing. >> found it my responsibility to encourage them whenever they are weak and decide to give up. i wouldn't let it get -- >> i really like it, and i lesched a lot of new stuff. i want to go to college. i want to be a therapist for troubled youth. there are certain things i have been through as well. i think i could help somebody that's going through things just because i know what it feels like to go through something. this is not about anybody else
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but me. if i don't want to become the statistic, everyone says i have to change to start somewhere. i got nothing but time. >> coming up -- >> i'm very nervous. scared. >> lawyer where i gets the results of her ged test. the results of another test could impact her life even more dramatically. and -- >> stop crying. it's going to be all right. >> michael jones gets a visit from his fee answer yea. >> it's so shiny. i know, mommy, but it's time to let the new kitchen get some sleep. if you want beautiful results, you know where to go - angie's list. now everyone can get highly rated service even without a membership. you can shop special offers or just tell us what you need, and we'll help you find a local company to take care of it.
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the jail's visitation center, but they can speak to their loved ones through a telephone monitor. >> this is why they do video visitation because it's better than having contact visits. we don't have to worry about contra band entering and exiting into the believe. protection of officers as well as inmates. >> i get visits from my fiance, and i also talk by the phone. it's good to hear a different voice compared to the voices that you hear all day. when you hear something soft, it makes you feel good. it really does get you drunk like we say. it gets you drunk. once you get in there, it's, like, oh, man, it's good to hear this. once you get off the phone, it's like i'm back to this world. >> today nathan yell's sister tracy burgess has arrived for a visit. she's not here to see her brother. rather, she is visiting her fiance. both are charged in the double murder case. >> it's tough to have to visit
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>> you see i stole ten seconds from you already. >> yeah. i see that. that's why i like not picking up the phone. >> i told you not to pick it up yet. now we have 19 minutes and 34 seconds. >> you look good. >> you look good. >> their arrest came soon after a reward was offered. burgess says she believers in their innocence and is angry that they were ever in a position with the accused. >> between mike and my brother,
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it's like why you guys here? why did you fool with the wrong people to get here? who did you socialize with? why are your names in their mouth? what y'all here? what's the reason? they should have been working home. that's it. your responsibilities is kids. not the street. it really does hurt because sometimes when i'm at home and i think he is at work, and he is coming home, but when i come here saturday and sunday, it's like no, he is not coming home. we have continue to come up here and see him through a tv monitor. >> it will be all right. >> i know. >> i can always tell in her face
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when she's getting ready to cry. that's when i got to bring out the swroek. i need to let her know it's hard being strong. there will be times when i ain't got nobody around, i cry. i ain't going to lie. i cry about my situation at times. >> it makes it easier on me too to make her laugh sfwloosh i lot of you. i love you. i love you. bye. >> i'm thinking what if it turns into nine months, turns into two or three years? i don't doubt she'll hang in here with me. that's how strong it is, man.
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i even tried to say i think the people are going to come get me and try to take me forever. it don't matter about me being innocent. go on with your life. move on. she wasn't having that. you know what i mean? she ain't going to have that. she's a rider. >> she says it's too painful for her to visit her brother and even these weekly visits with jones are getting difficult. >> it's hard on me. now i'm helping raising his kids and also helping with bills and everything that he left. i have no job, so i'm trying to do the best i can with what i got. and it just feels like everything is being taken away from me slowly. >> laurie says she has known hard times and suffering too. now only days from transferring to prison to start a one-year sentence for second degree burglary, she realizes coming to
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jail like the start of a brighter future. >> ladies, let's go. >> she recently took her final exam in the jail's g.e.d. program and today she finds out the results. >> you worried about it? >> i'm very nervous. scared. just like when i leave here and go and leave prison, i'm scared i'm going to get out and fall again. >> well, here are your scores. >> sdmroob i'm so happy for you. that's wonderful. i love it. don't cry. congratulations. >> thank you, guys. >> you worked hard. >> laurie was very apprehensive about her ability to be able to pass the test. she didn't feel like she was ready.
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i knew she was ready. >> coming up. >> he grabbed me and let me slam the bowl. got on top me like i got you now. >> he is nooufd a new cell after getting into a fight, and now feels betrayed by michael jones. >> it's like psychological warfare in here. that's all it is. >> lawyer where i fears she may not be alone when she heads to prison.
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sflool inside the chatham county detention center t. has played the role of mentor and his main piece of advice has been to stay to yourself and keep out of trouble. hicks himself just recently ran into plenty of trouble with another inmate. >> we were playing cards. you know, words exchanged. a lot of emotions being involved, and we were talking. next thing you know we went from talking to debating and arguing.
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>> the cell mate michael jones witnessed what happened next. >> he got up like you tripping, you tripping. i beat your as. pick a room. >> i said, man, you tripping. no, you tripping. then i felt like he was trying to front on me. i just took off. i just -- we just grabbed each other. >> he got on top of me. that's when i guess -- >> any time they shoot, wropt to to it to you little brother. he is -- it hurt. >> i bust him out. even swap. no swimming. >> but soon after the fight hicks says he felt like he was swinging. after officers moved him to a segregation cell for fighting,
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hicks realized he was missing several items he had purchased from the jail comisary. >> a lot of people came up i'm missing seven bag of chips. i'm missing four honey buns and a bar of soap. where is my stuff at? >> jones admits to taking the items but says it wasn't a swindle. it was debt repayment. >> i realized, you know, he still owe me some items. we call that a p.c. move. you try to owe somebody sfw and get kicked out. >> no, no. heck no. he took way more than what was owed. he took way more than what was owed him. he took way more. i told him, i gave him the game. i'm, like, listen, there are things you do and don't. >> among other things, hicks says he warned swroenz to not talk to inmates about his case because they might report that information truthfully or not to authorities. hicks says now he is in just such a position because of what jones has told him about his case. >> i'm, like, mike, i know your case.
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you told me your case. you sat down and told me your case. it's like -- a guy tell me everything about had case and then he steals from me. you got to be smarter to that. >> would you do anything to jeopardize his freedom? >> i don't know. i don't know. i wake up one day, and i'm pissed off by it, and i -- yeah, might be, okay, i'll put your business out there. you know, you never know. it's swral. you don't know what's going to happen. >> i'm not worried about anything at all. there's nothing like that for me to tell for him to try to come back. you can even try to make up a lie. i'm not worried about nothing, man. nothing at all. >> the charge is yours. >> trying not to get used to living like this. you know what i mean, or find myself falling into being like these guys. association brings on assimilation at times. around it all the time, you end up living like this. it's like psychological warfare in here. that's all it is. psychological warfare.
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you got my body. now you want my mind. >> during her five months in jail laurie has experienced more than psychological warfare. she was attacked and given a black eye by her former friend and cell mate morgan. on the positive side she earned her g.e.d. here, but now she is concerned that her jail saga may have one more unexpected development. >> i have issues going on in my stomach right about now. i don't want to say it for sure, but there is a possibility i could be pregnant, and if not, there's a knot like this big in my stomach. i don't know what to think. i know my body very well. i know something is not right. >> with she came to the facility, she was tested to see if she was pregnant. standard procedure. she tested negative. then she continued to complain of some stomach issues. the facility made an appointment with an outside doctor for her
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to go and get checked for her stomach issues. >> it's very possible to have a false negative if you don't have enough hormones in your system. if they are missing their cycle or feeling like they're pregnant, hen we can get them and get a sample from have them come up here and get a sample and do a pregnancy test here. if they're still negative, they can get bloodworkup to show whether or not they're pregnant. >> i have an appointment. we'll see. before we got here, we took a home pregnancy test that came up positive. i was, like, it's just a home pregnancy test, and it's not nothing. i threw it. >> she took a pregnancy test. she took multiple pregnancy tests. one clearly showed positive. she also took about ten others, and they kept saying negative. i haven't heard much more about that situation. i actually wrote her the other day. i'm still waiting for the response in a letter. i would love to start a family with laurie and have little kids
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and i don't believe right now is the best time to have kids. >> i'm not nowhere near capable of taking care of any living being. i'm barely capable of taking care of myself. that's why i really, really hope that i'm not. >> until she is examined and new tests are taken, she and the others in her unit are only left to speculate. >>. >> you have gotten bigger. see. it's right here. >> you believe me when i tell you you're pregnant. >> it would be different if there wasn't a ball in there, and i did feel it move. a piece of corn bread. >> not corn bread. it's a baby. >> i do think that i'm pregnant. the p-word. i'm scared to be. wropt to be a bad mom. i guess i'm in denial.
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