this morning, my question, how has policing changed since ferguson? plus my exclusive interview with attorney general loretta lynch, and the stars of "straight out of compton" come to nerdland. but first, it happened one year ago today. good morning, i'm melissa harris-perry. today is august 9th. one year ago today michael brown was walking home from a convenience store in ferguson, missouri. ferguson, missouri, where 67% of the residents are black but five of its six city councilmembers

were white, where the school system and systems were racially segregated and the police force was nearly entirely white, ferguson, missouri, just miles from st. louis where dread scott sued for ownership of his observe life and told by the supreme court in 1857 that black people "had no rights" which the white man was bound to respect. michael brown was walking home in ferguson. he was 18, he was unarmed, he was black. little past noon michael brown was dead, shot to death in an encounter with a white police officer, darren wilson. after he was killed, michael brown's body was left face down in the street for four hours. the next night the community held the candlelight vigil, some protesters destroyed property. the next night police met the community with ryeon gear, tear gas and rubber bullets. within the week, police presence more visibly militarized and the

missouri governor declared a state of emergency. try to remember how shocking those images last year. how none of us could be sure how deep and far this confrontation would go. try to recall the national guard arriving, the military vehicles in an american city, the shock and the voices of reporters as they tried to shield their eyes from the burning effects of tear gas, all because michael brown was 18, he was unarmed, and walking home. and then he was dead. to many it felt as if there was no justice and if there would be no justice, there would be no peace. then something shifted. on august 18th, nine days after michael brown was shot and killed, president obama announced that the justice department had opened a civil rights investigation into the death of michael brown, and that attorney general eric holder would be in ferguson by midweek. when holder arrived in ferguson,

he made it clear that he was both the attorney general and as he told residents, also a black man, he met with students, with community leaders, with beleaguered missouri state highway patrol captain ron johnson and the family of michael brown. when he left a relative calm settled back over the city. the doj isn't capable of wholly eliminating justice or reversing the if effects of inequality but that visit to ferguson was a reminder of the extraordinary often latent power of the department of justice. attorney general robert kennedy used this power in 1962 when he sent federal troops to oxford, mississippi, to enforce desegregation of ole miss and found the bodies and prosecuted the murders of three civil rights workers in missouri. the doj unleashed this power in march, 2015 with the release of their scathing, comprehensive report on ferguson, missouri, a

report that stated clearly the ferguson police department has "a pattern of unconstitutional stops and arrests in violation of the fourth amendment" and a pattern of first amendment violations and a pattern of excessive force. this report is released just seven weeks before the day loretta lynch became our nation's 83rd attorney general, and the country' first african-american woman to serve in the role, a day when just miles away from her swearing in, in baltimore, baltimore erupted in anger and grief over the death of another unarmed black man after an encounter with police, freddy gray. on the day she became attorney general loretta lynch asserted that "we can restore trust and faith both in our laws and in those of us who enforce them." she has made equitable policing a central of her agenda and started a national community policing tour. this week i sat down with the attorney general for an exclusive interview.

year after the death of michael brown, after all of the sort of work of the black lives matter movement, after that, has anything changed in the patterns and practices of the ferguson police department? >> certainly the ferguson police department has changed dramatically, but i believe they are still undergoing a great change. we have opened a pattern of practice investigation into them over a year ago. those results were announced by my predecessor, eric holder, with the findings that we made that not only was there unconstitutional policing, but that there was also a pattern of the municipality using the fine system to generate revenue, not in a productive way for the citizens. i think actually a lot of things have changed since ferguson. i think that the importance of that report was that it showed the world what people in ferguson and similar situations have been saying for years but they just weren't believed, because it was outside the consciousness or outside the reality of people who didn't

share the situation or didn't share their background, or hadn't had those experiences happen to them. so i think it opened the eyes of america and frankly, the world, to what many minorities are saying when they talk about feeling a level of disrespect and a lack of inclusion in their own government, particularly at the municipal level. certainly it was manifested in the police department of ferguson but we saw it through so many other departments as well. now, we have been in talks with the city, proposed a consent decree could them and active negotiations and we proposed things that we think will actually help them not only run their town in a way that is efficient and safe for the residents, but is constitutional and addresses these important concerns. so i think that a lot has changed since mr. brown's tragic death. certainly our hearts still go out to his family because when you lose a child, time really stops. it's a year, with you i'm sure

for them it still feels as if it's five minutes ago, and that's a pain that doesn't go away, but out of that, it is really our hope that we can illuminate the conditions that led to the tensions that existed not just after mr. brown's death and the riots but long before that. >> i want to quote a little something that you said in the case of sandra bland. you said that it highlights the concern of many in the black community that a routine stop is not handled with the same professionalism and courtesy that many other people get from the police. sandra bland's family wants the department of justice to investigate her death. do you have plans to do so? >> well at the moment, the investigation is still being handled by local authorities, but the fbi has been monitoring that matter since the beginning, so we are receiving reports. right now it's still an open matter in the case of the texas authorities, so i'm really not able to comment on that. we're monitoring it and we'll see what, if anything, we need to do. >> you talk about

professionalism and courtesy, the experience that individuals have when they encounter police officers. what do you hear from police officers themselves about this? >> i am hearing a fascinating story from law enforcement in this country as part of my six-city community policing tour. i've chosen cities specifically that have had negative interactions or relationships between the police and the community, and have come out on the other side. they've had a police shooting, similar to recent ones. they've had the department come in and impose a pattern of practice investigation upon them with findings of unconstitutionality, so they have essentially been at the idea of where a department can be in relation to the community and i've chosen those cities because they've all worked along with the community and with the government officials to repair that relationship. i would say that the change in the police view has really been dramatic and one that they cite as positive. when i was talking with the

officers in east haven, connecticut, they talked about how their focus shifted from simply counting of numbers, statistics, how many arrests did you make this month, how many stops did you make this month, that kind of policing to a view of how have you engaged with the community and how have you made the community in east haven, connecticut, not just african-american but also hispanic and white, how have you made the community feel safer? how have you made the minority community know that you are here to protect them also? and they talk, frankly, about the gratitude they get from the community and how that makes them feel, and how it has expanded their view of what policing is, particularly for younger officers who are coming in to policing now. many of them come into it with that very mind-set. when i ask police officers how long have you been on the force, you know, they range from one year, two years, 12, 20, why do you want to be a police officer? they will tell me the most compelling stories about wanting

to protect their own communities, about particularly the minority officers seeing friends and family members go down a very negative path with law enforcement and wanting to be in a position to intervene and create a positive interaction or positive relationship. so when i'm talking to officers now, it's actually very gratifying to see that after some of the most difficult and challenging cases we put together, we can get to a place where the police in the community can work together on these matters. these are not perfect situations. many of the cities, cincinnati for example, still continue to have interactions that have resulted in fatalities, but what we're looking for is a community police interaction that sets up a process by which community members feel that their voices are heard, they're taken into account, they're respected, and in which police officers feel that they know the community, they understand the community's fears and concerns, and that they're orienting policing towards those concerns

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loretta lynch grew up in the jim crow south eventually working as a school librarian and marrying a fourth generation baptist preacher named lorenzo. six years later they had a daughter, loretta who would go on to become the chief officer of the nation. at harvard she was a charter member of the first black sorority on koch us, delta sigma

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decision to strike down section four of the act in 2013. i asked attorney general lynch about protecting voting rights and how she defines justice. yesterday as we were marking the 50th anniversary of the voting rights act as we were could be cluding your remarks you said we cannot guarantee the absence of discrimination or the end of ill will but we can guarantee the presence of justice. what is justice? >> you know, justice can mean a lot of different things for a lot of different people. i think that to find the true definition of justice, you need to talk to someone who feels most aggrieved at the time and see what it is that they truly need, and i've spent a lot of time talking to people who do feel agrieved by their government, by law enforcement, by actions that law enforcement has taken against them, and they've suffered a loss of a life or they've simply have had a very negative interaction.

i've also spent a lot of time talking to the victims of crime who have come to me seeking justice even when there's no racial component. that loss, that sense that someone has failed them is very, very sharp and keen and people have said to me consistently, obviously they may want a certain verdict or a certain result but what they said to me consistently is they want to be heard. they want their loss to be seen as important, and they want the criminal justice system to investigate the loss they have suffered, there it's a child, a brother, a parent, whatever it is, they want that investigation to be done thoroughly, efficiently, and as transparentally at possible, because they want that process they feel other people take for granted. people want to be heard and want to be respected. when i talk to families aensometimes had to deliver news that we may not be able to bring charges or the charges that we're bringing may not be what

they had anticipated, they will often say to me obviously we're disappointed but we appreciate you shared with us what's happening at every step along the way. people want to know that their government looks out for them, that the role of law enforcement in my view is to protect and it is to serve, and everyone wants to have that feeling that when they are in trouble, they can call upon law enforcement or their government to help them and they'll be listened to. >> the one really big headline win that occurred this week for the department of justice comes out of texas. >> yes, it does. >> and it is a win around the voting rights act. >> yes. >> that despite all of the challenges of the split decision, there's still some teeth left in this thing with section two. is section two sufficient for protecting voting rilgts in this country? >> well, obviously section five was very important. the pre-clearance provision of the voting rights act allowed

the department to review potential changes to laws and to determine whether or not they were going to have unconstitutional effect and frankly, it saved countless resources, not just for the department but for municipalities who would have had to defend against cases they ultimately would have had to realize still need to be modified. so it was a very helpful tool, not just for the department, but frankly for the country. observe veesly that's a loss, a blow, but not a death nail to the voting rights act. we look at the actions in the context of the impact as well as the intent behind them where we have evidence there's a discriminatory intent as we put forth in the texas case so our enforcement of the voting rights act will continue to be vigorous and continue to be strong and in-depth. we will do all that we can to protect this most fundamental american right. >> so you are still relatively new in your tenure as the attorney general, but someday you will pass the baton to the

next attorney general. what is the legacy that you want to leave? >> the legacy that i want to leave is one of inclusion, of one of advancing my main goals of protecting the most vulnerable members of our society and making sure that everyone has a voice and understands that the department of justice's main goal is the protection of the american people and i want to make that real for people. i want to make that real for the individual, so that the next attorney general inherits a department that is looked upon as one that is not only supportive of individuals, but is one where they can turn to when they are, when people feel like there's no one listening to them or when they feel like there's something threatening them. >> recently the first lady was asked what job she would like to have if she weren't first lady and she responded beyonce. >> great job. >> i wanted to ask you the same question, if you were not attorney general, what job would

you want to have? >> well, you know, if i actually had not been attorney general, or even a lawyer i probably would have been a journalist, and that's the job that i would want to have. that was actually my first goal was to be a journalist, because i find people fascinating. i find their stories fascinating. and i think that the combination for me has been the fact that both through journalism and through law you take someone that society or the world may overlook and their voice gets to be heard. as a law enforcement officer, i can take a victim who is going to, may feel that they've been ignored or no one is listening to them, and say yes, someone is listening to you. i initially wanted to be a journalist, and that's what i perceived, in college i worked with friends on a student television show and did interviews around the boston cambridge area about public interest issues and student

issues, and ended up having internship at one of the networks for summer, and was always torn between law and journalism, and ultimately decided that i could be, i felt, more effective as a lawyer in doing that, and i thought maybe i would combine the two and do communications or first amendment law, but was always drawn toward the issue of opening up the system for people who may have felt locked out, you know, opening up the process for people who either didn't understand it or felt that it wasn't there for them. >> i want to thank the attorney general for taking the time to speak with me this week. you'll be able to read more of my interview in "essence" magazine in september. still to come, my interview with the stars of one of the summer's most anticipated movies q straight outta compton."

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homicide on violence and it takes its toll on the communities of color. in 2012, 75% of deaths were black or latino and despite having the nation's strictest gun laws they struggle to keep firearms from come in. three in the suburbs and one in gary, indiana, provided 20% of the guns recovered in crime scenes by police in 2009 an 2013. two chicago moms are joining local activists s in suing the three suburbs for not having tough enough gp laws and they're arguing these laws or the lack thereof constitute a civil rights violation, specifically the cause of the illinois civil rights act targeting institutions that "utilize criteria or methods of administration that have the

effect of subjecting individuals to discrimination." we reached out to the villages for comment. the he were to for the village of lincolnwood said we don't diminish the importance of the issue of gun violence, however, they are operating within the wrong forum in their efforts to address the issue. there's no law adopted by the village alleged to be unconstitutional or unlawful. the plaintiff would like the village to adopt new laws that may or may not have second amendment implications but you don't ask the court to do that. and the statement from the village of lyons says they have "not been served or seen the lawsuit so we cannot comment on the specific allegations in the lawsuit. however, it is obvious the city is looking to pass the blame onto outside communities and businesses for the crimes and shortcomings in dealing with the crimes in neighborhoods within the city of chicago. the village of riverdale did not respond to requests for comment. joining me from chicago one of the moms filing the lawsuit,

pamela bosley and her attorney. can you tell me a little bit about your son terrell and how he was lost. >> my son terrell bosley was a gospel bass player, a college student. he was working a job, doing all the right things, me and my husband, we did all we could to protect him from gun violence. april 4th, 2006, he was church, came out to help his friend get drums and somebody came by shooting and shot my son and took his life. since then the music stop, his life wassence ended and mine was, too. when terrell walked into the room he'll light up a room. he had friends, family, he loved his family, you know, his siblings, his mom, of course, me and he was a good child, doing everything right and positive.

>> so when i hear that story, mr. peerson, it's a hard one to hear, a young man who wasn't even targeted. he was standing at his church. you have parents who were doing everything right. help me to understand how this lawsuit might keep this from happening to another young man. >> sure, melissa, thanks. one thing that this lawsuit is trying to do stop or reduce the flow of illegal guns or flow of guns to the wrong people in chicago. the numbers are just outrageous when you look at how many guns are being used in chicago. it's unlawful uses of guns, not lawful. when you look at the shops within their borders, the number of guns is outstanding, one report showed that between 1999 and 2003 i think it was roughly

2500 guns from these three villages were recovered in chicago crime scenes. each one of those guns is a problem that we need to stop. >> so explain to me how it is that you can target municipalities as opposed to individual gun sellers in this case. >> sure you talked about the illinois civil rights act and section five creates an obligation, units of local government in the state of illinois can't have criterias or method of administration that have the effect of subjecting persons to discrimination because of their race. it's a very broad standard. it doesn't tell you specifically what you have to do but it says you can't have rules or law, can't enforce rules or laws in a way that disproportionately impacts people because of race. what led to this lawsuit is whatever these villages are doing, it's not stopping the flow of guns to being used for

crimes and unlawful purposes in chicago and primarily african neighborhoods so they have to do something more. >> miss bosley obviously your son is gone but what would justice look like for you now? >> we have to stop the flow of guns coming into our city, killing our black kids. just this year we had 1700 people shot and 290 homicides, murders. we have to do something about the gun flows that's taking over our neighborhoods we hear gunshots all the time. that's why we are going after the villages on the outside of chicago allowing the guns to take over our streets. >> thank you to pamela bosley, the work you are doing is a great way of continuing to parent your beloved son, despite the fact that he is gone and thank you to michael persoon in chicago. up next the stars of

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in the 1980s, millions of working class jobs were created and massive investment in job training and food and housing assistance ushered in by the reagan administration. poverty, crime, drugs and urban decay became the structural realities in which much of black america lived, part of why the voices of ice cube, dr. dre and easy e. became the most influential voices of all time. nwa refused to be silent about the devastating consequences of racism and systemic disinvestment while asserting first amendment right to make art their own way. nwa released "straight outta compton" in 19 8 and swiftly labeled the world's most dangerous group. the song that caught the attention of the fbi was of course "at the police" which was

unyielding in its criticism of police brutality, but even as nwa pushed back against racial inequality they deepened sexism and misogyny. one case in which dr. dre attacked dee barnes, a young woman rap show host in 1989, ice cube left the group, in 1992 dr. dre left as well. the three rappers embarked on a sew he will rap careers. in 1995, easy e died of complications related to aids. ice cube went on to become a film actor and dr. dre a super producer and has a net worth nearing $1 billion. it is these deeply imperfect men whose artistry intervened at a deeply troubling moment in america who are the subjectsed of the new film "straight outta corpston" produced by our parent

company universal. i was joined in studio by oshea jackson jr. who plays ice cube, cory hawkins who plays dre and jason mitchell who plays easy e in "straight outta compton." we asked jackson how he prepared to portray his father on screen. >> it was a two-year auditions before i got considered for a chemistry test where i met these guys and universal selected -- >> we got to pause and dig into that. there's going to be a lot of people watching, this didn't take you no two years to get a role to play your father. you should have walked into it. >> not a studio like universal, isn't going to appease to nepotism just to please a producer and gary gray put his name on this movie. this is a big time film that could make or break him. he's not going to just let it go to just appease his friends so they put me through the ringer and all that hard work is

building confidence within me, if they needed me i'd do it again. >> so i love the way that you portray cube in those moments. it feels very familiar to me, the ice cube i remember from the music that i know and also the portrayal of dre who is different now, the person who is dre now and been in the game such a long time. >> right. >> how do you enter into and find that dre at that moment? >> that's a great question. i was lucky enough to just have him on set every single day. i remember the first time i met him, we all went out to dinner and we didn't talk about the movie at all. we got to know each other as people first and we actually have a lot in common in terms of t parallels in our lives and the drive and determination and i hope to one day become a genius so i can do what he's doing. but we were given sort of all the tools we needed.

we had, i had to learn how to deejay and produce for this film. i've never done that before. i was also coming, you know, from juilliard and shakespeare and broadway and going to compton, so i grew up in d.c. so that music sort of represented, you know, that era, sort of a national thing, a worldwide thing, anybody could relate to it. >> let's take a listen to a moment in the film between the characters who are dre and easy e. >> yo, selling records man it's easy. you got a mind for that, e. that's what i'm talking about man. that's it. >> we could probably do something with that. >> start a label or something. >> a label? it's far-fetched dre. >> check this out. what would you call a record label like that?

>> ruthless. >> so that moment is beautifully acted, but there's maybe nothing quite like having to capture the death of easy e. >> there were things that i had i think bottled up and so many things that i could, that i had to kind of add to the circumstances already, you know what i mean, because it was '95, it was somebody who didn't think that you could get aids like that. it was taboo at that time, you know what i mean? he was an example for a lot of people, a lot of people didn't even consider aids real for somebody who wasn't homosexual at the time, you know, so for him to be in that position at all, to have to take that serious, it was heavy circumstances and your girl is pregnant, you know what i mean, things about to happen, good things about to happen. lot of things went bad but in that period of time, good things were about to happen, so there was, there were a lot of layers

in the scenes, and i'm very thankful for gary gray for making me feel that safe to pull out all my creative guns, you know what i mean and it really came across pretty well. >> because we felt that loss. i mean let me just say as someone who graduated from college in '94, that loss in real time in '95 when that happened, we felt it in a real way and you were able to capture it. >> thank you. >> i basically play nothing but nwa on my ipod for about three days as i was prepping because i was thinking through it about you all and i was wondering is that the only thing you're playing on the set? were you playing any of today's music or only nwa on set? >> we were playing nwa but we were playing a lot of old music. >> by old you mean the music of my generation. classic. >> classic. >> let's listen to ice cube and dre talking about passing the torch to a new generation of artists.

>> what has he got to say? >> we kicked the door down for a lot of the artists. >> game time what's up. >> the foundation i'm so appreciative. i try to keep it flaming. >> what's up? >> when i think of nwa, they weren't really music to me. it was more like a lifestyle, brothers from my neighborhood that made it out. >> i have been in an ongoing fight with one of my producers whether or not today's hip-hop, which even that which is meant to have a message can hold a candle to the '90s. so just work through that with me. >> my -- my father's philosophy on this whole thing is that at a certain point in the '90s, all the media outlets as far as, you know, rap goes, at a certain point knocked out the artist who had, you know, something to say

or were speaking on political issues, if you will, and it turned into, you know, the money music, the rams and that starts to get played on the radio only, and so those who want a career in music think that this is the model of which they should go, and so that, you know, begins to really filter out all those groups that have something to say that are speaking to the people in a different manner. you still have artists today, kendrick is one of them, j. cole, sean, they got something to say. they're working to inspire, speaking on issues. they as artists find a balance within it. >> let's take a look at a scene from the film, which really gets to the heart of these ideas. >> i just got a snapshot how americans really feel. we gave the people a voice. we gave the people truth. >> yes but your songs glamourize

the lifestyle of gangs, guns, drugs. >> our art is a reflection of our reality. what you see when you go outside your door? i know what i see. >> and it ain't glamorous. >> get aks from russia and cocaine from colombia. >> them guys got passports. you might want to check the source. >> next question. >> will you be more careful about what you say and how you say it? >> probably not. >> why? >> freedom of speech includes rap music. we're exercising our first amendment as far as i'm concerned. >> the government wrote that. >> that's a dope shot. we should get that picture. >> what i love the most is watching you guys watch this film. >> we already established we can't sit next to each other at the premiere. >> i think you must sit next to each other at the premiere. >> we're yelling too much. >> come here, come on. >> fans, man, fans of them and fans of each other, we're fans of the work and gary and

everybody that went into making this film. >> clearly you had a great time making the film. >> absolutely. absolutely. they had some moving times that i clearly remember. one time we had, we rapped after scooting skateland and we come outside, sunglasses on, you know, just a really, really good time. and to see that many people especially black people in a majority in one space and it's all good vibes. everybody is all smiles. >> the morale on set was so high that everything from our performances is our support team and just the natural camaraderie we have with each other. the five of us are brothers. we have a brotherhood working on here. >> you guys are still really young and i wonder do you realize what you've done here,

like the cultural product that is nwa their music is one thing but now you all have participated in it. you have now created this thing which is going to mean across the world so much to so many people. so you now are part of the big story that is nwa. that is huge. >> gary used to say to us on set you guys are making history about a group that made history. those words always resonated, always came with a little bit of pressure but it's funny, when we talk to dre, they were just having fun. they wanted to be hood stars, they wanted to make music for the neighborhood and they ended up touching a nerve and they pushed their foot on the gas and went forward. that's what we hope to do with this. >> coming up, the cast talks about making a movie about the n with, a in the context of the

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in my interview we talked about the relevance of the ground-breaking hip-hop group in the era of ferguson and the black lives matter movement. the movie "straight outta compton" could be straight out of today's lives. >> they look like gang members these clients of yours. >> you cannot arrest people because what have they look like. that's police harassment. >> you said you're a manager, not a lawyer. >> does that matter? you can't come down here arrest these guys because they're black! >> there's no way to watch that scene as though it is just historical there. you have to watch it in the moment that is ferguson, that is texas, that is ohio. how much was that weighing on your minds as you were making? >> heavily on our minds. there were days when we shot the

detroit riots, when we shut down i think lower canyon boulevard in loss ang less and shot those riots after the rodney king incident and we would go home and those images that we were shooting were on the tv, so it was eerie. it was eerie. it was really nerve-racking and kind of scary and sort of confusing and, but it just laid in the responsibility that we had to do with this film, you know? >> how were people in compton responding, if you're there and they were filming, you're reproducing these painful riots of previous decades even as fresh riots are occurring around the country. what kind of response were you all getting? >> well, the city had nothing but love for us, you know, they knew what we were trying to do, making this film, and they definitely wanted to see it right. of course you have your nwa fans, heckling you, you know, making sure you get it right.

>> yes! >> easy e memorabilia, and they were with open arms. they want to see this right, just like we do. they have people camping out on their roofs, you know. >> bringing us food. >> food, drirnnks, you know. >> marco rubio tweeted not once but twice. >> yes. >> to go see it. >> that was crazy. >> would you invite him to the premiere? >> all politicians. >> all of them, oh, yes, no debate, just come watch the premiere with you guys. >> we finished filming and doing the press tour and everything but we know we can't exhale yet because it still has to be released to the world and the world still has to get it. you know, they still have to understand that we need to find just how nwa took all their pain

and anger and used it in a creative manner, we need to find a creative way of solutions for these problems. >> exactly. >> protesting and all that is cool but we need to start finding solutions. >> my favorite idea of the week if you end up watching this film together with all of the candidates on the left and the right, democratic and republican party, i will -- man, that would be some kind of excitement. gentlemen, these guys have been a riot. thank you. coming up we'll go live to ferguson, missouri, one year after the death of michael brown. there's more "mhp" show at the top of the hour. love loud. live loud. polident. number 1 dentist recommended.

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i'm melissa harris-perry. today ferguson is remembering the one-year anniversary the day michael brown was shot and killed. the community is commemorating the anniversary with a weekend long series of events that begin friday and will continue through tomorro tomorrow. yesterday a memorial marked the place where his son was killed. another march planned for today will stop just before noon local time for a moment of silence at the the time brown was killed. amanda joins us from ferguson. what have you been hearing and seeing from people there this weekend? >> folks are already gathering at the site where he died. there are candles and teddy bear that lined the straight where the blood was stained there, since been paved over. folks are ready for the march that will move on to st. marc's

church later this afternoon. this is a marking point for the black lives matter movement that began after michael brown's death. there are hundreds gathering and the protest groups that began in ferguson, the grassroots organizers that in the most purist sense, not organizers, not trained, they didn't have any leadership. they are making this a national movement as we saw yesterday, we saw black lives matter where there in saturday toll block bernie sanders. you can see how far this movement has come but today is really a day to commemorate michael brown and his death. >> amanda talk to me about what other kinds of events are

planned. we've also heard there are some direct action protests over the course of the next couple of days that we should be expecting? >> they are keeping a tight lid on what they want to to. we expect acts of civil diso disobedien disobedience, meshing the two movements together with black lives matter and many members of the clergy leading the actions. we expect dr. cornell west to be in town speaking to many of the issues. we see members of the clergy also leading training courses for folks here, learning how to de's skrat any situations if they get in any tense clashes with police. they emphasize they want folks to deescalate any type of situation so that they keep the movement and the message forward without anything cluttering that message. >> thank you to msnbc's amanda

in ferguson this morning. one year ago today ferguson took its place among the definitive spaces in the struggle for racial justice when the shooting death of michael brown prompted a movement to articulate and amplify a call for change. following the weeks of chaos, activists called for action and institutional reform, from both local and national government officials. over the last year, some of their agenda items have been realized, meaningful changes in ferguson. others remaybe unaddressed. last hour we talked about one of the biggest checkmarks on their list, the demand for the department of justice to investigate the shooting and broader claims of police civil rights violations. the report effectively ended hopes of one of the movement's most immediate demands for the prosecution of officer darren wilson. after a grand jury decided against dpimt the doj concluded

he was not in violation of any federal civil rights laws but the release of the damning report did lead to another of the movement's priorities. the removal of ferguson police chief tom jackson. he resigned with other officials implicated by the doj report replaced by chief anderson and he joined other including interim city manager, municipal judge and two city councilmembers elected in april. the new judge made significant strides toward the decriminalization of poverty. things like community service and more amongable fines at the state level the missouri governor signed a bill ending

practices against impoverished people but the movements have been met with mixed results. their call for front-facing cameras was answered last year in september when ferguson officers began wearing them on their uniforms and president obama partially addressed critiques of police militarization when he announced a policy in may to end some of the transfers of combat gear to local law enforcement. changes in the makeup of the ferguson police department have fallen far short of the more representative police force. according to the associated press the department increased the number of african-american officers from three out of 50 to five. including the interim chief. those still living in the community where michael brown died say they haven't seen much difference in their day-to-day interactions with the police. the "new york times" reports people in ferguson's african-american neighborhoods "say the police still treat residents suspiciously, still bark questions, still make arrests for what they consider trivial charges."

all of which tells us that if the past year provided proof that this movement is effective, the present reminds us that it is also still essential. joining me now is mark steiner, host of "the mark steiner show" and founder of the center for emerging media. philip goff, professor of social sigh kohl at ucla and president of the center for policing equity and reverend dr. jackie lewis, and in ferguson i'm joined by antonio french alderman, 21st ward. alderman french can you help me, if you had to say in ferguson one year later how would you characterize it? >> i'd say the main difference is that our conversation was started a year ago that has helped move the region forward a bit. we have not seen the kind of

progress that we would hope to have seen a year later. it is still a fight that many people are engaged in and try to make this city and this entire region more representative and inclusive of the entire population. there has been some progress. >> so alderman french, one of the things i was talking about here is the new judge and the new police chief, but these are very tenuous poositions. this judge is at the age he will be forced into a position of retirement, obviously you're talking about an interim person and the police chief role. are people feeling like there have been changes but that they're not really instantiated yet? >> we've seen what the doj report, a system that in fact really preyed on african-americans and poor citizens. we have some different people in the system but the system itself

remains, and so even in the court system, though we have a different judge in ferguson, the court system is still vigorously prosecuting people who were arrested last year for instance for noise violations during the protest. these people are still being prosecuted today. people are still being arrested and ticketed in large numbers, and so the system itself still needs to be changed. >> stick with us alderman, don't go away. just before we sort of came on air you and i were chatting about new orleans, almost at the ten years since the tragedy that is hurricane katrina, and you know, i remember these markers when people would say it's one year later, what's changed? five years later, what's changed. ten years later, that's right, something happened and part of what i'm wondering is whether or not even in our system of asking what has changed we're missing the point of what the ferguson story was. >> in some ways and 50 years

after watts which is also this month people asking the question what has changed and what remained remarkably consistent is the ways in which we treat poor people in the country. until we can address the root cases of the poverty, we look at ferguson wrong ly as an exemptional circumstance where the police department was depending on the money raising from poor communities. some were unfairly singled out. if the problem were merely isolated to them we would not be in bad shape but the very same dynamics that started the watts riot in 1965 with a growing black population and previously before world war ii been a largely white community, the same kind of thing happens last year in ferguson and this is where we find incredibly consistent and for the same reasons. >> al ddermaalderman, we talked

watts and new orleans. we were all back in selma marking the 50th anniversary of the voting rights act, so much of which changed the country. you look at selma itself a place of economic and racial disprivilege. after this nacent black lives matter movement begins in ferguson, whether or not ferguson has changed the rest of the country but not itself in the sense of being able to do it right there locally. >> right, right, so there have been a lot of municipalities and cities across the country that learned from the lessons of ferguson from last year, but unfortunately many ways ferguson and surrounding mun pass have not yet. these things never happen quickly. those of us out here last year knew we were signing up for the long haul and the year's long battle and movement here and so i'm excited about some of the

progress that has been made, most excited about the activityism which gives me hope that we'll push through and better our community because of it. >> mark, let me come out to you. the last time you were here we were talking about baltimore. your beloved city exploded talk to me how ferguson and the black lives movement formed what happened in baltimore since the death of freddy gray. >> as we speak there are 15 people from baltimore city now in ferguson. the family of tyrone west or freddy gray, activists working to meet the folks from ferguson. what spawned is an organizing movement. black lives matter is only two

years ago. what we see though -- >> i claim i'm going to let that go. >> the movement, the new movement black lives matter after trayvon died, trayvon martin died. what happened is people are organizing on the ground, creating their own counter institutions, they're beginning to organize politically, socially, culturally, that's where the change is going to come from. you're not going to see it necessarily in terms of municipality but in terms of what's happening the community out, that's where the changes will come. >> i want to get into the institutional piece though because what we just heard from the alderman was the immediate changes, the changes that can come in a year are those of changing the characters who are playing these roles, but the roles themselves, and it is meaningfully difficult to say let's shift this, but the power of that doj report was this thing is rotten. it is a mess in terms of its structure.

how close are we to making change there? >> in terms of the structure of policing in america, we have only just begun to sniff at what a beginning would look like. so i appreciate that we're honoring the one-year anniversary and the 50-year anniversary. i want to go back a little bit further and make sure we have the 150th in place. at the 150th anniversary of the civil war ending and almost in december the 13th amendment. so immediately after emancipation what happens? we have people who are put into an economic form of bondage and we start the beginning of swearing in police officers to do the job of putting these folks in their place, keeping them there, both economically and physically. when have we reckoned with that? we talk about slavery as an original sin of the country, how have we atoned for it if if we replaced one set of slavery with a different set of slavery. z>> i've been working with polie departments.

that's not to say that officers are signed up for that job, but if we're only now getting the first federal documents that say there's a cleptocratic component to what some law enforcement are doing, we're only figuring out what got put in place 150 years ago. >> the economic piece, alderman, part of what's happened is we've heard officials there in ferguson say look, doj, we'd be happy to put this in place but it will bankrupt our city. the way that we form revenue is by giving three, four, five tickets for every stop and actually rejecting the consent decr decree. >> exactly. so it is about this system in place, and the system right now relies upon revenue generated by basically a system of taxation by citation of poor people and that system has to be transformed and remodeled and so for cities the size of ferguson, even smaller in the st. louis region, that means looking at

how your income is generated, looks at the system of taxation, replacing taxation by citation or higher property tax or another form of taxation or in some cases dismantling, the city the size of 900 people perhaps doesn't need its own police department or doesn't need its own city government and should perhaps merge with some other governments. these are conversations that have to happen on a local level here in st. louis. they have started, but we have not seen them reach fruition or any kind of level of section yet. >> thank you to alderman antonio french in ferguson, missouri. it has after all only been a year. it took us 150 years after the civil war apparently to bring down the confederate flag so who knows. thank you for joining us. stay right there. we have so much more this morning. up next, policing in america.

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the new requirement for ferguson police to wear body cameras was among the reforms won by activists after michael brown was killed. president obama and attorney general lynch helped to promote that with the $775 million grantd program that allows police departments across the country to adopt body-worn cameras for their officers. as we have seen in the years since mike brown's death, cameras have often been a tool to show us just how much things have remained the same. it was an officer's body cam that just three weeks ago captured the shooting death of samuel debose during a traffic stop in cincinnati and a dash cam the week before recorded the violent police interaction that sandra bland endured at a traffic stop. in april an officer-worn camera showed us the fatal shooting of

eric harris, a deputy accidentally pulled his gun instead of his tas er. just this wednesday a civil lawsuit filed in los angeles civil court claims it disputes the account of a fatal shooting of a homeless cameroonian national on skid row in march. philip, you are the policing guy. cameras was what we thought would help, if only we have cameras and what the cameras have done is mostly show us a lot more of it. >> this is not an i told you so, i've been pushing back on camera, all we're going to show is police doing exactly the things that they think they can. ferguson is the perfect example. in one case you have the civil rights saying we cannot charge the individual, but look at how fetted and disgusting the department is. we in this country are really

much better figuring out patterns and practice than we are coming to terms and grips with the ways in which our character has been tainted by the stain and sin of this stuff so body cameras will be helpful in raising awareness, and growing public will, but unless they are connected with the actual accountability measures such that money that's gotten from communities goes back to communities, and that the standard is proportional to the offense and not proportional to my fear, which by the way is the case in the uk, which is one of the many reasons why there is less officer-related violence in the uk, until we get to that, body cameras are just going to be a reflection of our current character, not of our aspirational one. >> rechverend jacqui, he spoke about the stain of sin in which we find ourselves. >> that's exactly what we're talking about. to me it's the revealing of the spiritual issue at work here, which is that the deepest issue in america right you know is the sin of white supremacy, and all

the ways it is propagated and i know we don't all like the word white supremacy, so we can call it racism and some people like to call it unconscious bias and conscious bias, that sounds nicer or white privilege. our nation is built on this lie that thomas jefferson puts into place when he has a suspicion that the negro is less and we have a whole infrastructure or whole state-run corporations around the idea of black folks lives tuldly don't matter, and as a christian pastor i'm saying that's a sin that we need to confess and address. if every church this morning isn't talking about this just a little bit, if the synagogues and mosques don't talk about this a little bit, racism in america is what kills. racism in america is what kills, and just to say if you could have, if you could have eric garner choked to death on camera, and officer pantaleo still works there, i'm deeply concerned about that sin.

>> it's hard to think of any of it outside the context of the tenure of katrina but i kind of want to say we all watch katrina happen live on air. we know that the broadcast of human suffering especially of black bodies does not inherently or necessarily bring with it justice, but the two of you have done an interesting thing here by talking about this kind of institutional position, and then also bringing us back to a kind of internal ethical, moral question. you do work at "the new yorker" and if you're sitting here i should ask about the fact that one of the ways this moment has been marked is that "the new yorker zgs did a profile of officer darren wilson that many people have a lot of angst about. >> it's interesting. i read that profile before it was published. i suspected people would have the reaction to it although that was not the reaction that i had. people thought it was somehow of an attempt to humanize him

but -- >> he is human. it is important, he's human. >> i didn't think he looked better for it. what it seemed, this was a person who had a tremendous absence of self-awareness, and a very emblematic american innocence wherein he just kind of says well i can't think about this, this person is gone, i'm not going to engage this but then says black people are concerned about trying to use excuses, that racism happened to their grandparents, while working for a police department that is actively exploiting people on the basis of their skin color. >> okay, and so that for me was the most interesting part of the profile, and part of why i wanted to -- when i read the profile there is the back story on wilson but the part i zeroed in on is in the academy what he was taught, and this idea that over and over again these young men show up in the academy, and taught if you don't pull that gun, you're dead. if you don't take the shot

first, you're dead. when you shoot, shoot to kill, like this fear, intensity driven and i keep thinking no, training alone is not going to solve but i also feel like we got to talk about this structure that they're part of >> right, but the training, the way in which it makes the biggest impact, training will communicate the values and the culture of a department. if you have a culture believes you're geared up for war every day. >> and give you more gear to carry around. >> and then prepares you with the soldier's mentality that says you need to be prepared to kill people in order to go home safe. when you do that, you have a department that does that. i have to say it's always important to get the other side of that, which is that the training does a particular kind of work, in july i read the profile and i thought similar sorts of things but the training is happening within a context where i have to go back to the alderman's comments. ferguson depended on economic exploitation of black people. >> say it again.

>> ferguson depended on the economic racism it put out through its police department and when we're still depending on that, how on earth can anybody claims in and protest innocence as a kind of moral self-defense. that for me is the biggest issue. >> stick with us, we have the whole rest of the hour on this. i'll say good-bye to philip, but the rest of the panel is back later in the program. up next a new story, report of an unarmed teenager shot and killed by a police officer in arlington, texas. don't go away, much more on ferguson. yet. a car that can see trouble... ...and stop itself to avoid it. when the insurance institute for highway safety tested front crash prevention nobody beat subaru models with eyesight. not honda. not ford or any other brand. subaru eyesight. an extra set of eyes, every time you drive.

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early friday morning in arlington, texas, abunarmed teenager was shot and killed by a police officer in training. officer brad miller who is now on administrative leave shot and killed 19-year-old christian taylor around 1:00 a.m. friday. police say miller was responding to a burglar alarm after a car window crashed through the window. this is surveillance video shows

taylor in the minutes before police arrived. the exact sequence of events that followed is unclear. barely a week ago the teenager tweeted "i don't wanna die too young." joining me now from arlington, texas, msnbc's adam reese. the video we saw of taylor shows what happened before his encounter with the police. do we know if any other video exists in this case? >> we don't. good morning, melissa. we don't at this point. we have reached out to the police department to see, we have video outside as you've seen. we have a 911 call but we don't know if there's video inside the show room that would show the struggle and the shooting. the police chief here in arlington has asked the fbi to join the investigation. he said it will be thorough and transparent. now that video that you've seen outside, it shows christian taylor ramming the front gate. he's then jumping up and down on a car. he rips off the windshield and rams his car into the front plate glass window of this show room. that is when the 911 call goes

in, burglary in progress. police show up here, they surround the perimeter. officer miller chases taylor to the back of the showroom. there's some struggle, and that is when he is shot four times after he had asked him to lie down, police say he didn't lie down, christian taylor was not around at the time. >> equally important to the investigative process is an acknowledgment in this instance, has not occurred in isolation. but rather it has occurred as our nation has been wrestling with the topics of social injustice, inequities, racism, and police misconduct. we recognize the importance of these topics, the impact these issues have on communities throughout our nation, and we pledge to act in a transparent manner in an effort to alleviate these concerns. >> reporter: now officer miller's 49 years old, he was a rookie, just joined in september. he graduated from the academy in

march. he's technically still an officer in training, going around with a training officer. he is now on administrative duty. he has not been questioned yet. that is propart of the process, they give him a few days. as you mentioned earlier, melissa, christian taylor tweeted just a week ago q i don't wanna guy too young." >> thank you, adam reese in arlington, texas. up next, the psychological impact of the movement. but youy new jansport backpack, a powerful new dell 2-in-1 laptop, and durable new stellar notebooks, so you're walking the halls with varsity level swagger. that's what we call that new gear feeling. you left this on the bus... get it at the place with the experts to get you the right gear. office depot officemax. gear up for school. gear up for great. quicker smarter earlier

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thursday marked the 50th anniversary of president lyndon johnson signing the voting rights act into law. i had the honor of joining president owe pa ma, congressman john lewis and attorney general lynch in commemorating the anniversary. before the president spoke about the vra he shared some words about congressman lewis who was brutal ooised on the edmund pettis bridge in 1955, at the civil rights event we now know

as bloody sunday. >> i love john lewis. and i don't know where he gets the energy, where he gets the drive what stores of passion, he's still labeled to muster. after fighting the good fight for so long. >> lewis' leadership was pivotal on that brimming. his contributions did not cease in 1965. jon lewis is not some icon. he's an active, accountability and engaged today as he was five decades ago. during the '70s lewis registered millions of voters and in 1981 he was elected to the city council and since 1986, lewis represented georgia's fifth congressional district in congress. he's a "new york times" best

selling author and subjected to brutal physical violence in an effort to access the most basic rights of citizenship. it's no wonder a man as accomplished as president obama still stands in awe when in the presence of john lewis but sustaining the struggle can exact an emotional, physical and spiritual cost from activists. joining my panel in new york is khan day berry, executive director of the million hoodies movement for justice and joining me from ferguson is dr. robinson, licensed clinical psychologist and president of the st. louis chapter of the association of black psychologists. dr. robinson, maybe i can begin with you. you've been with us from the beginning days there. how would you assess the community's mental health movement? >> it's been difficult.

we've seen some of the results we expected, such as children struggling in school families having a difficult time coping and trying to move forward, a lot of mental fatigue and overabundance of toxic stress. it hasn't slowed down the spirit of activists, they continue to move forward and march onward so you have organizations like mine that continue to be offered the support that's needed. >> the young people in the black lives matter movement are not being quiet. what do you think about the movement? >> i'd like to see more of them get in.

i like black, white, latino, asian-american, native american, we're all in the game. >> saying oh yes more black lives matter movement, thank you. it's taxing, real, the effects. >> absolutely. i think after every single time we hear from the media about another black person getting killed by a police officer or a shooting happening at a church or another burning or a confederate flag and it's taxing and exhausting and part of this being an organizer, being an activist in the movement is think being how do we create self-care for ourselves and how do we heal through the process. i think john lewis is an example of someone who has been able to heal through a process and also be in a leadership inside the institution along with this process, so i think it's a

really, really important for activists all over the country to really reflect over the times that we have right now, and also remain strong because it's going to be a long, long time before we get the freedom that we want. >> mark, you've been engaging about as long as lewis in the moments, we love having you here because of the stories you tell and i keep thinking we could this without saying when someone abuses you, when you're in fear for your life, these are real traumas and lasting ones. >> they are real traumas. anybody who went through the civil rights movement, i was arrested, beaten by the police, put sig ruts out on my body to make me do things i wouldn't do, that's real. this is not something people make up and it's terrifying and part of the terror of america but i think what's happening here, to me what gives me hope seeing john lewis and dante, i saw the first time, it was inspiring is that something is afoot here in america and i'm inspired by it. what's afoot here is, after

hundreds of years of exploitation on black bodies in this country, some people are waking up. the black lives matter movement, the new one, the last two years is waking people up in america and people are being confronted by racism that they have never been confronted with before in america, never, not this way. in your face all the time, on the tv, every tweet, everything goes out. we're forcing people to wrestle with it, to deal with it, to look at you in the eye. i think things are moving and i hate seeing pictures of people dying, sandra bland being pulled out of the car makes me sick. they're beating my babies, you know what i'm saying, but what it does say is we are moving ahead. this is the pain that's riding to something new in the country that i feel that's happening. maybe i'm being overly optimistic and naive. >> dr. robinson, i heard from dante the word self-care for activists. what does that hook like in a real way, like if you had to write the little textbook about

how to provide some self-care for activists. >> some of the basic things that we talk about is making sure that actoughists track how much sleep they're getting. oftentimes we have activists that are out for 48 hours straight without ever stopping to take a nap. we make sure they track how much water they're drinking, if they're eating three meals a day. some of those basic self-care things to make sure it can stay functioning and we offer other tools and tips like journaling. you have thoughts you want to get out and no one can listen to you. you can write it down and process later, and we offer a lot of listening groups and opening sessions for activists so we always encourage them to come out and share with like-minded people what they're feeling, what the struggles are, how real it is and being able to process that. >> dr. robinson it must sound basic to people to hear water and as you were talking, donte was at the table having an amen

corner, apparently he's not taken a nap or had any water or three meals probably since the death of trayvon martin. thank you dr. robinson in fergus ferguson, missouri. please continue to care for yourself. much when we come back. up next keeping black lives matter at the forefront. to folks out there whose diabetic nerve pain...

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>> this is not the first time bernie sanders and other presidential candidates have faced black lives matters protesters while campaigning. what do we make of this particular interaction? i know what my table makes of it. joining me from ferguson, missouri, is st. louis native artist and co-founder of hands up united. nice to have you. can you talk to me about the direct action strategy here, the idea of interrupting and sort of what value that has and what kind of action that is? >> well, i believe that on a certain level, when we say black lives matter there's still a demographic of the country of the world of this society that doesn't hear us, they don't understand us. so at this point in time, at this particular point we're at in history, disruption is so valuable to the movement, it's so valuable to having our voices heard. essentially you're looking at a community of people that remains voiceless, unless someone does something over the top like

throw a brick through a window or some form of civil disobedience. you see peaceful negotiations, people trying to go about it the right way. >> this point of disruption, jacquie feels critical to me. at every point movements that made a difference had to disrupt. >> that's right. i like to call it an ethical spectacle. and one of the things that i'm loving about the young people that are leading this movement, the young queer black people, the amazing activists, they're showing us prophetic grief, so they took their rage,hey took their disappointment, they took their anger, they went to the streets, much of it peaceful but they also got smart and popped the ideological bubble. this is a lie. our lives don't matter enough, and let's make strategies and tactics to make it happen. now the movement is everywhere. old white people a whole bunch

of older white clergy always working together against racism seek muslim jewish colleagues at the auburn seminary working together even today to put a call out for a thing we can do, sign on to the end racial profiling act, it got introduced in april. there's a lot of momentum now so if everybody can go to the naacp website and make a letter, so that disrupts, what's happening -- >> part of what i love about this disruption is that it is disreputable. if you watch that without the sound you're like what in the world is going on? what is happening? but like so much -- again we talked about the '80s earlier and nwa and the disruption that that was. sometimes you have to be able to jump in there and be like i'm not following the rules. >> i agree. i think that it's a matter of targets though. like i would be inclined to say

bernie sanders, you can get into a room with and say these are what our demands are, with our issues are as opposed to donald trump or marco rubio, ted marco rubio or ted cruz. >> they're not really disrupting bernie sanders, right? it's hype for the camera. >> i think it's pointing to the -- for the left side, it's that hillary clinton, bernie sanders, o'malley, nobody is safe. >> you have to earn our vote. >> particularly for black women. black women turn out the most votes. >> amen! yes! why doesn't anybody in the democratic party know this! >> all their talking points, all of their rhetoric and issues in the face of black women. and i think ultimately, when we get into this conversation about policing, we need to have more

transformative ideas. last year we've seen task forces be formed, and body cameras, but none of it is actually changing the relationship between the police and -- >> in the last moments here, give me a sense then of what -- this is a call for more creative, more intense way of thinking about change. give me a sense of what it might look like. >> bernie sanders, for example, they moved hillary clinton. she literally quoted all lives matter. the next week she wrote on facebook with three paragraphs of black lives matter. did they matter when her husband bomb bombed in somalia? it's just not a matter of picking people to disrupt, but actually being very calculated and strategic about whey targets we select. >> you have a shirt on that says this ain't your mama's civil rights movement, is that right? >> yes, it is.

>> so just, again, we have about 20 seconds, tell me how this movement is different. >> i mean, it walks different. i'm on national tv with a bunch of tattoos on my hands and my ball cap backwards. the voiceless would still be voiceless. we would not have any space or capacity to be heard whatsoever. and i think in the wake of this anniversary, we should remember that. >> thank you so much for joining us. and here in new york, thank you to mark steiner and dante and the reverend dr. jacquie lewis. up next, remembering michael brown.

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leslie mcfadden. his father is michael brown sr. he grew up surrounded by loving parents, grandparents, and his younger sister. as a teen, michael played video

games, he chilled out with friends and cousins and dreamed of a music career. he had even begun to create some music of his own in early 2014. after struggling in an underperforming ferguson area school system that overwhelmingly served black students, michael found a way to finish up and graduate. he received his high school diploma on august 14, 2014. eight days later he was shot dead. michael brown was 18 and unarmed. black lives matter. that's our show for today. thanks to you at home for watching. i'll see you next saturday at 10:00 a.m. eastern. now it's time for "weekends with alex witt." >> thank you so much for that, melissa. what megyn kelly think of donald trump? democratic presidential hopeful bernie sanders, we'll

ask somebody about that with a group of black lives matter.

a new post-debate survey, is donald trump still leading the recommend pack? and who does the public think won? plus -- >> we're doing fantastically well with the campaign. the numbers are incredible. full steam ahead. i really love it. >> if you thought his campaign might be hitting a wall, think again. hear whether donald trump said he's sorry about anything he said. another unarmed man gunned down by police. does new surveillance video tell us anything more about exactly what happened just two nights ago? and a new survey looks at where it's hardest and easiest to find full-time work. that's in today's number ones. hey there, everyone, high noon in the