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hey there, everyone, high noon in the east, 9:00 a.m. out west. welcome to "weekends with alex witt." 24 hours since being in the gathering, donald trump led this morning's talk shows. >> donald trump -- >> donald trump. >> -- donald trump. >> all people want to ask me is, what do i think of donald trump? >> megyn kelly responded to her exchange with donald trump. >> my job is to go out there and ask probing questions that are hopefully smart, and help the people learn something about this person. and in this context, his weaknesses. and i think i did that. >> meanwhile, donald trump this morning isn't backing down. >> no, there's nothing to apologize. she asked what i thought was a very unfair question. and so did everybody on social media. and i answered the question very well. what i said was totally

appropriate. only a deviant, and i literally mean that, only a deviant would think other than that. >> some think carly fiorina won the debate. joining me now, john harward, "new york times" political writer and chief washington correspondent. john, good to see you. >> hey, alex. >> we'll get right into the post-debate survey. does anything surprise you about people thinking carly fiorina won? >> no, carly fiorina was the single biggest winner of that debate. despite the sad circumstances of that thing, empty hall, and the initial round of questions which amounted to why are you so lousy that you didn't make the main debate, she stood out. and she had the opportunity. she grabbed it. and i would expect that all of the attention that she's gotten for doing that is going to move her, not just in our poll, but in others, and wouldn't surprise me a bit to see her on the main

stage next time out. >> it has been -- let's say an exhaustive few days since the gop debate courtesy of donald trump. how long can he and his campaign sustain this type of drama, john? do you think it perhaps started to fall apart already? >> well, we don't see concrete evidence that it's falling apart. and he does have a constituency that is -- seems impervious to the up-and-down calculations that we associate with candidates. they're mad. they don't trust politicians, they don't trust washington. and donald trump speaks to all of that. i do think, though, that you've got to change your act at some point. you know, it's a long campaign. we're in the summertime. there comes to be a more serious judgment by voters when they really understand that they are not just sampling the wares in the supermarket, but could pick somebody who could potentially be running the country pretty

soon. so i think donald trump has to change or be in an unwinnable situation. >> what do you say that his top adviser roger stone left? >> roger stone is a colorful figure i've known for a long time. almost as colorful as donald trump himself. it doesn't seem that donald trump's campaign functions the way we have come to associate in modern campaigns from functioning. since trump is his own donor, his own adviser, his own surrogate and his own press secretary, i don't think it matters all that much. the question is, does he change and try to build a professional campaign operation? if that happens, then we'll be talking about something different. >> and whether or not he will listen to those advisers if he does that. >> that's right. >> let's listen to more from trump. this is on "meet the press." >> with all of the prosts that we've got, you look at what's going on in the country with crime and with our inner cities,

and all that, and all they talk about is tone. jeb bush said, well, mr. trump's tone is not -- well, we don't have enough time for tone. this political correctness is just absolutely killing us as a country. you can't say anything. >> meanwhile, as you know, john, the headlines in both the "washington post" and "new york times" reflect the angst over trump. is there a sense from the republican establishment that he's holding this process hostage with the independent threat looming, and how long do you think they're going to tolerate that? >> i don't know what they're going to do a lot about it. donald trump is running as a republican. he's getting a big share of the vote, and he has a lot of money. and they don't have a lot of control over him. but they are correct that he is holding the process hostage, as you saw the piece of tape they played from mike huckabee. i can imagine being ining exas

being one muof the other candidates. this is not a great situation for them. maybe helping jeb bush, because the more donald trump stars his competitors for oxygen, that gives bush more time to get back in game shape. and he's got the money to play in this process for a very long time. so he may be the least hurt of anyone of the major contenders. but no, this is a problem for republicans. and their hope is that it's seen as idiosyncratically about donald trump, not about the republican party. but as lindsey graham warned over the weekend, it comes to some point where it's not just about trump, and it's just for us, and that's not good for us. >> could there be something to be learned from marco rubio's stance? he said, if i responded to every question asked of me about

donald trump, i would spend all my campaign doing that. he doesn't want to do it anymore. >> definitely, that's a smart strategy from his point of view. he doesn't want to feed that fire. the -- his problem is that if donald trump calls in to every talk show, and whatever he says becomes the lead, it's pretty hard for marco rubio to have the other things that he's saying get paid attention to. that's just the reality that we're in. and the campaign has kind of been taken over by reality tv. >> john, you just said donald trump could last a while because he's got the money to do it. but six months to the ohio primary, could trump win either one realistically? do you think he will still be around in six months? >> i do not. i think there is a point in the campaign when voters get more serious than they are right now, realize that they are picking somebody that is going to be their party's choice to run in a general election who could sit

in the oval office, could be president of the united states, and there's a different filter that they apply when they're about to make that decision. and i think that that is a filter that is not going to be donald trump's friend. >> for donald trump's critics, though, is there a silver lining here? because if you look at the numbers for that debate on thursday night, more than 24 people tuned in to that. donald trump made the point, there probably would have been 2 million people without him. is he right? >> sure, he's good for ratings, no doubt about it. that's why everybody accepts his phone calls to put him on the sunday talk shows, because somebody else is going to have them and people are going to pay attention to that. yes, donald trump is drawing more eyeballs to the process. by doing so, does he benefit or hurt the party? i think the jury is out on that. >> does he bring more eyeballs to others who previously were not as well known? >> it's possible, yes. you know, marco rubio gave a solid performance in the debate the other night.

the fact that more people were watching, that's good. john kasich, the governor of ohio, in his -- very recently started his campaign, last guy to make the cut, he had a very large audience to introduce himself to the national republican electorate. that benefited him. scott walker was not the most charismatic on the stage, but he was solid in his performance, and the fact that a lot of republicans saw that. that was a positive for him, too. jeb bush was also solid, although not commanding. a lot of us have expected him to be. there are pluses and minuses, but i think on net, the republican party would rather abandon the pluses if they could get rid of the minuses at the same time. >> i just want to ask you, next gop debate, 16th of september at the ronald reagan presidential library, will anybody drop out between now and then? >> it wouldn't surprise me if that happened. but i wouldn't predict that at the moment. >> okay.

thank you very much, john harwood. thank you for that. just mentioning about the gop debate, everybody, put it on your calendars for the 16th. the first democratic presidential debate takes place in the fall as well. scheduled for october 13th. that one will be in nevada someplace. exact location tba. new reaction to the administration's iran nuclear deal. senator clair mccaskill, democrat from missouri, is undecided whether to support the deal in september. hers could be a critical vote. >> i hope that all of my colleagues are doing what i'm doing, and that is doing our homework. one of the things that was most disappointing is the republicans insisted on 60 days to review this deal. it appeared to me most of them made their mind up in about five minutes. >> chris jansing is in martha's vineyard where the president is vacationing for the next few weeks. must be hard for the president to completely unplug knowing he still needs to persuade members of his own party? >> reporter: i think any

administration will tell you they never completely unplug. definitely the senior white house staff would like a chance for the president to have some down time after what's been an incredibly busy year, and a lot of stuff on his plate for september. and a history of coming to martha's vineyard every summer, except for one, since he became president. and finding himself in the middle of some very weighty issues. last year it was ferguson and isis and the horrible murder of james foley. this year, as you pointed out, it's the iran nuclear deal. and just before he left, senator chuck schumer, one of the most influential voices on this issue, came out against the deal. the white house staff said he may have to do some lobbying while he's here. the white house made it clear if they need to reach out to democratic members, that they need to hold, either the president or other members of his senior staff, like john kerry or vice president biden, would be doing that, even while

on vacation. right before he left, the president gave an interview that was just released. here's what he had to say, echoing what you just heard from claire mccaskill. >> the reason that mitch mcconnell and the rest of the folks in his caucus who oppose this jumped out and opposed it before they even read it. before it was even posted. it's reflective of an ideological commitment not to get a deal done. in that sense, they do have a lot in common with hardliners who are much more satisfied with the status quo. >> reporter: and there are many ways of lobbying, right, besides pushing the democrats. a letter just released that was sent to the president from 29 nuclear scientists, five of them nobel laureates, calling the deal innovative and stringent. a counterpoint to what we heard from senator chuck schumer. as i said, while this is the

centerpiece of what he's dealing with, there are also plans under way for a very busy september for the president. pope francis is coming to washington, so is the president of china, and the president -- president obama will be going to new york for the united nations general assembly. again, with iran one of the items on the agenda, alex. >> okay. chris jansing in martha's vineyard, thank you very much. remembering michael brown. one year ago today, the unarmed 18-year-old was shot and killed by a police officer. days of protests followed, and helped launch the black lives matter movement. msnbc's amanda is in ferguson for us this morning. how is michael brown being remembered today? >> reporter: hi there, alex. crowds are already gathering at the memorial site where michael brown died one years ago. the crowds are starting to gather in the area. folks are leaving church and are starting to get together. it's a community coming

together. they do expect large crowds. a significant number, to meet within this hour. they expect to have a number of religious leaders speaking. michael brown's family should be in attendance. they plan to hold a 4 1/2 minutes of silence. that marks at exactly 11:55 when michael brown died, marking how many hours his body was laid in the middle of the street before the investigators took it away. so from there, they will do a silent march up to greater st. mark's church, which has been a safe haven for the protest groups at the height of the unrest. this is a whole weekend of events that the family and other participating organizations have planned. we saw a march yesterday from the memorial site to normandy high school where michael brown attended in his final year. another march downtown in st. louis, and they held a block party. it's been very much a welcoming and very community-based event over the weekend.

>> that significant marking of time, we'll check in next with you and see how that goes. five children, three adults have been found dead inside a houston area home. police were called to do a welfare check saturday night. once they arrived, officers saw a body through a window. when police entered the home, a person inside fired several gunshots. a s.w.a.t. team and hostage negotiators were able to talk the man out. 70 years since the u.s. dropped an atomic bomb in nagasaki, japan. thousands gathered, including u.s. ambassador caroline kennedy for the solemn ceremony. more than 150,000 died in hiroshima and nagasaki. the ceremony included a minute of silence at the time the bomb was dropped. world war ii ended six days after the bombing of nagasaki. 22 people are dead or missing after typhoon soudelor swept through mainland china.

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security video has emerged. msnbc's adam reese is in arlington with the latest on this. adam, welcome to you. what does this new video show? >> reporter: alex, it shows the car dealership lot behind me early friday morning. christian taylor, 19 years old, he rams his jeep through the front gate. he then begins to jump up and down on one of the vehicles, actually pulling the windshield off of one of the vehicles, then ramming his jeep into the front plate glass window of the dealership. a 911 call of a burglary in process. the police come and surround the building. officer miller chases him to the back of the showroom. that's when the critical point is. there's some kind of a struggle, some kind of altercation. he asked taylor to lie down. according to police, he doesn't lie down. that's when he's shot four times. christian taylor, though, was unarmed at the time. >> i think that the rate in

which information or misinformation transcends across social media and is communicated is a direct result of the importance that this topic has in america right now. it demonstrates the value of why we do community policing, the value of why we believe in procedural justice, and the reasons why we invest in our community. >> reporter: officer miller was 49 years old. he was a rookie. he's an officer in training, that means he was working with a training officer at the time of this shooting. he's been placed on desk duty as this investigation continues. the police chief says if this isn't a justifiable shooting, there will be consequences. alex? >> adam, i know that taylor's family held a vigil last night. what are they saying about him? >> reporter: his brother said he's a charming guy. he played football at a local university. they said that this really didn't have to happen. yes, he obviously was doing something that was wrong.

but they don't understand why it had to end in a shooting. >> do we know anything about the trainee officer accused of pulling the trigger? >> reporter: he's 49 years old. he entered in september of last year, he graduated the academy in march. and so most recently, he had been technically a training officer. again, working with another officer as he trained. so this is the first time he's been a police officer since last september. >> all right. adam reese, thank you so much from arlington. still ahead, the fallout on capitol hill after senator chuck schumer's decision to oppose the iran deal. they lived. ♪ they lived. ♪ they lived. ♪ (dad) we lived... thanks to our subaru. ♪

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>> that's senator claire mccaskill urging senators to slow down in supporting or opposing president obama's plan for iran. chuck schumer's decision thursday is causing ripples on the left. leaving many to question his standing as the likely successor to nevada's harry reid for democratic party leadership. joining me is julian, staff writer for the hill. julian, you have liberal activist group moveon.org as a response to senator schumer's decision. here's a quote. no real democratic leader does this. if this is what counts as leadership among democrats in the senate, senate democrats should be prepared to find a new leader, or few followers. unquote. is senator schumer's presume tough position really threatened? >> not entirely clear exactly how vulnerable he is here. there's more than a year and a half until the leadership

election. what's clear is a lot of activists are really upset. they're withholding funds. according to move-on, more than $8 million would have been held back over the last 24 hours. they're planning to bombard schumer and every other democratic lawmaker's town hall over the six or so weeks until we get to this vote on the iran deal on capitol hill. for liberal activists, this is a really, really huge issue. they compared it to the 2002 vote to going to war in iraq. schumer, the presumptive next democratic senate leader, would split not only from president obama, but also from hillary clinton, from bernie sanders. i think that he came out so early, schumer did, it was really bad taste and hurtful to them, and really damaged his standing among liberal democrats who have already been skeptical

of him for years. this might be the straw that break the camel's back in supporting him. >> you've got several democrats opposing this deal. sherman, engel, steve israel, they're going to vote no. will his decision to come out against the deal lead other democrats to follow? >> i think that's certainly a big concern for a lot of liberal activists, and i'm sure for the white house. one of the biggest reasons people are so outraged about schumer right now is because he came out so early. it's not a huge surprise he's opposed to this deal. he's long had a more hawkish foreign policy position than a lot of liberals. a lot of people thought he would wait and kind of keep his mouth shut until at least the end of the month, or the beginning of september. but now he said i will be talking to my fellow democrats on the hill. i will be urging them to vote against this deal. he's ooh very powerful man. he's got a lot of cloud within

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reward vulgarity. i don't think vulgarity equates with insight. so because you can shout and call people names, and call someone stupid, or call someone fat, is that really what we're going to make the decision on for who's going to be our nominee? he's been for all these liberal policies, and now because he can stand up and say vulgar things, and he's a truth teller, well, the truth is, what is he for? i have no idea whether he's conservative. he really could be a liberal for all i'm concerned. i have no idea what his real philosophy is other than he's for promoting himself. >> there is renewed talk this morning about carly fiorina's performance thursday night who gained ground in that analysis. robert is here, and howard dean former dnc chair. i'm going to get right to the interview. robert, i'll begin with you here. the exchange between chris

matthews and carly fiorina right after the debate. >> do you really think that's the way to engage in your debate to call your opponent a liar? i'm astounded by that judgment of yours. >> first of all, i was very specific about the subjects about which i think she has lied. i was very specific. very fact-based actually. you are the one who's made a generalized comment now about her, not me. >> what's -- >> excuse me. secondly, i will debate her -- >> go through your list of where she's lied. >> benghazi, e-mails, and server. >> so, robert, do you think that is the belief of a lot of republicans? is chris matthews right that you don't want to start off a campaign accusing a potential opponent of that? >> i wouldn't use the word lie, but i do think secretary clinton has an issue.

the facts say something different. one, in reference to the e-mail server. she perhaps may or may not have had classified materials on there. we now know that there may have been some classified materials on the e-mail. she said a couple of weeks ago, in fact, a couple of months ago that there was no classified material. she said she deleted all of the e-mails that were personal in nature, and we now know that some information was deleted that perhaps was not personal in nature. so there is a credibility issue there. that's not just carly fiorina saying that, that's the fbi and other folks saying that as well. i think it's a credibility issue, not just republicans, but the american people are saying, you know what? secretary clinton, be more forthright with us. tell us exactly what you believe on benghazi and what you believe specifically as relates to the e-mail server. not just republicans, but i think most americans feel that way. >> robert, we talked about this before on the broadcast. we know where you stand on whether you think hillary clinton has wrongdoing here. did carly fiorina distinguish

herself in that happy hour debate, to the point where she now joins that conversation as a legitimate contender? >> well, first of all, i do have to refute robert's republican talking points. there is -- she said there were no classified e-mails. there were no classified e-mails she knew about because they were not marked classified. i don't think trust in hillary clinton is an issue. hillary clinton is trustworthy, which is more than i can say for the ten people who were on the stage on thursday night. here's carly fiorina's problem. she had a good night, what they call the jv debate. the problem is her record as a business person, she ran one of the great corporations in america into the ground and was fired. so i think, you know, this is going to go up and down and up and down. i think she certainly got a boost in the polls. she's now at 8% as opposed to 1%. that guarantees her a position in the future debates if she stays there. but the debates really didn't change a whole lot. ben carson did a little better.

donald trump apparently didn't hurt himself with his outrageous remarks. we'll see four or five more polls come out in the next week or so, that will be interesting to take a look at. >> on the e-mail question, howard, regardless where the truth lies, may this be uncomfortable, potentially damaging for hillary clinton if this persists? >> no. this is like benghazi. the chairman of the republican -- the republican chairman of the intelligence committee after he left office that there was nothing there in benghazi. i think every time somebody mentions benghazi it helps the democrats, because i think it reminds what wack jobs republicans interested in this really are. secretary clinton doesn't have a credibility problem. marco rubio even said she has more experience than anyone on that panel on thursday. she will be a great president.

>> unfavorablity rate for hillary clinton is record highs. most americans are scratching their heads and are saying, be very forthright with us. >> let's go back to donald trump. why? i don't know why, but we're going to. let's talk about what maureen dowd wrote this morning. this is good. his policy ideas are ripped from the gut instead of the head. still, he can be a catalyst challenging his rivals where they need to be challenged. robert, do you agree with this assessment? >> somewhat, yeah. look, donald trump is speaking to an electorate who is so frustrated with republicans and democrats, that just speaking sound bytes that don't really say what they believe. let me be very clear. what donald trump said at the fox news debate as relates to women and megyn kelly and so forth is absolutely deplorable. however, however, he is striking a chord with a lot of americans there who are saying enough is enough. i want this frank talk and i

want to believe in america again. it's not really about donald trump. i've said this before. it's really about the other candidates and whether or not they have the ability to be able to stand up and speak in declarative sentences to the american people. not only on the republican side, but the democratic side as well. >> robert, in echoing the sentiments expressed in both the "washington post" and "new york times," he's got this independent threat looming. how long do you think the gop establishment is going to tolerate it? >> i think donald trump has a gun to the former gop's leaders' heads. i think what's probably going to happen within the next couple of weeks is that the gop leadership is going to say, you know what, we can't stand this rhetoric anymore. not only do we disagree with it, but if in fact you want to run for a third party, just do it and get out of the way. >> howard, you've run for president before. look at the next gop debate on

september 16th. do you think there will be any dropouts before then? >> i doubt it. i mean, you know, the bar for getting into a campaign is pretty low these days. basically all you have to do is have an internet video. a lot of these people didn't have to do what most people do, which is to orchestrate a big meeting, and lots of buses, and all that kind of stuff. so, you know, a lot of these people aren't spending any money. and it's not costing them anything to stay in. they get a national reference. the audience for fox was unbelievable. i was taken aback by that. but what i'm really taken aback is that donald trump is still 2-to-1 ahead of the next person in that poll. i'm scratching my head at what's going on in the party. you can say this for donald trump and carly fiorina, they look like they're in to stay until iowa. then they actually have to have an organization. we haven't seen evidence yet that either one of those two have an organization. you cannot win iowa, no matter how high you stand in the polls, without a really strong

organization. so that's the next test, assuming they both stay where they are respectively until the iowa caucuses. >> howard, as a democrat watching that debate, are you more worried about the election in general, or any one candidate in particular? >> i thought john kasich was the best. but of course, i thought john huntsman was the best the last time, so that is probably not a good recommendation for getting the republican nomination. i was surprised at kasich. he has a good reputation. i don't know him personally. i was very surprised he was willing to say the things he did about same-sex marriage and so forth. i think he would be very tough in the general election. >> all right. got to go, guys. who won the debate, robert? >> i think marco rubio. i think he won that debate. he was very substantive, very poised, very presidential on the stage. i was very disappointed in jeb bush. >> howard, are you saying kasich? >> i thought kasich -- obviously carly fiorina won the jv debate,

judging by their polls. i think the really big winner in the debate was donald trump. despite the outrageous things that he said, he's still 2-1 ahead of the next biggest challenger. i'm just scratching my head and wondering what is going on, on the other side of the aisle. >> you're not alone in that. go figure, right? thanks, guys. well, people around the country are remembering michael brown, the unarmed 18-year-old who was shot and killed in ferguson, missouri, one year ago today by a police officer, and the short time from now, a moment of silence observed in brown's memory. let's bring in wesley lowry. i understand that this minute of silence will last more than a minute, 4 1/2, in fact. what's the significance of that? >> reporter: the 4 1/2-minute moment of silence symbolizing the 4 1/2 hours for which michael brown's body was laying on the ground, exactly one year ago today. that's become significant consistently in the protests. we've often see those die-ins

where the people layed down on the sidewalk or street for 4 1/2 minutes, symbolizing the time the police department allowed michael brown's body to lay in the street last year. >> you were there in ferguson covering the aftermath of the shooting. you were arrested by police for refusing to leave a convenience store quickly enough. what stands out in your mind about what happened there last year? >> reporter: i think we're having a much more robust discussion about race. today, in the "washington post," the front page are the names of 24 black men who have been unarmed while they were shot and killed by police officers this year. every nine days, so far this year, an unarmed black man has been shot and killed by police officers. we now have a much more robust and nuanced grasp around this issue. it's not as anecdotal as it was a year ago. we have much more understanding, and we have issue after issue to

all of these men last year, we've seen this is an issue that's not going away. but there are clearly broken relationships between communities and police. and clearly a lack of information very often about these police shootings. >> add to those that appeared in april when three men, black men were unarmed and shot and killed by police, to up the ante there. ferguson, how is it different today? >> reporter: well, one, national attitudes are changing. right now, black americans were polled recently by gallup, and they found black americans think race relations is the most pressing issue in the country. you've seen a spike in the number of white americans who think there's an inequity between black americans and white americans and trust in law enforcement and police and the criminal justice system by and large is falling. so we're seeing a shift in national perspectives. we're seeing a robust national conversation around issues like criminal justice, body cameras on police officers. and we're seeing the media now paying attention. if someone is shot and killed by a police officer, in any city in

the united states of america, it gets media coverage. a year ago, that wasn't quite true. >> do you think a lot of this is a result of the black lives matter movement? i mean, is that really the epicenter of all of this? well structured, well done, well delivered? >> reporter: look, i think that the digital push by these protesters and these activists, many of them on twitter and facebook, this ability to insist that these stories be told, has certainly changed public perception here, and certainly forces to have this conversation in a way that we weren't having it previously. why am i in ferguson, missouri, right now? why do we know the name michael brown? hundreds of people are shot and killed by police officers every year. 185 so far this year. why did this case stick out and why did these subsequent cases stick out? in large part because of the community reaction here in ferguson, and this national social justice movement that has refused to allow those of us in the media to force the nation to

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taking the stage, members of the black lives matter movement disrupt a bernie sanders campaign appearance. why him? what's on the video? surveillance footage captures a moment before the fatal shooting of an unarmed man. what do the images really tell us what happened? ferguson one year later, the legacy of michael brown. hello to all of you. welcome to "weekends with alex witt." it's 1:00 pre scisely on the ea coast. fox host megyn kelly is responding. here's what she said on friday, which was, of course, before his most recent comments about her. >> my job is to go out there and

ask probing questions that are hopefully smart, and help the people learn something about this person. and in this context, his weaknesses. and i think i did that. >> meanwhile, dond trump this morning is not backing down. >> no, there's nothing to apologize -- she asked a very, very -- i thought very unfair question, and so did everybody on social media. and i answered the question very well. what i said was totally appropriate. there was nothing wrong. only a deviant would think anything other than that. >> well, although a new nbc survey combined with monkey analysis, shows carly fiorina won the debate, trump's comments on thursday night didn't hurt him. his comments, however, did cause him to get disinvited from the red state gathering this weekend. and now a shakeup in his campaign. good day to you, kelly. >> reporter: alex, this was a soldout mini convention of

social conservatives, known as the red state gathering. they're heading home today. some disappointed that donald trump was not here in person. others thing the group made the right call to ask him to stay away. but when it comes to donald trump, he always has something more to say. the party went on without donald trump. >> i'm not sorry that he's not here. >> reporter: this tailgate bash, part of the conservative convention, would have been trump's place to rail against political correctness. instead, top presidential candidates fired away at him. >> mr. trump ought to apologize. >> reporter: jeb bush addressed the controversy directly, from his attack on fox moderator megyn kelly. >> come on. give me a break. i mean, are we -- do we want to win? do we want to insult 53% of all voters? >> reporter: trump's invitation had been revoked. but questions about him persisted. other candidates, like mike huckabee, were tired of talking

trump. >> i'm running for president, i'm not running for the social media critic for somebody else who is running for president. >> reporter: trump's turmoil turned inward saturday. a new fight spilled into public view. longtime business ally and presidential campaign adviser roger stone is out. stone provided his resignation letter, which cited the current controversies involving personalities and provocative media fights. stone wrote, i no longer can remain involved in your campaign. but more controversy. the campaign claimed mr. trump fired roger stone. and the reason they gave, that roger wanted to use the campaign for his own personal publicity. trump's top iowa campaign aide and former contestant on his show the "apprentice," tana gerts, likes trump's combative style. >> when he becomes president, of course his tone will change. right now he's sending in the missiles if you go after him. >> reporter: donald trump was part of the conversation here.

many of the candidates who addressed voters and talked to us as reporters did not even want to use donald trump's name. they told us they would much prefer to focus on their own campaigns and the issues that were important to conservatives. but donald trump remains a factor because he still is popular among many of those who were gathered here. >> thank you for that. for more analysis about donald trump's comments, good to see you, my friend. >> thank you, alex. >> let's look at how donald trump described his style. >> with all of the problems we've got, look at what's going on in the country with crime and with our inner cities and everything. and all they talk about is tone. jeb bush said, well, mr. trump's tone is not -- well, we don't have enough time for tone. this political correctness is just absolutely killing us as a country. you can't say anything. >> how does donald trump in his particular brand of campaign fit

into american political discourse, larry? is this exactly what democracy should look like? is it fair to appeal to people's fears as well as to their hopes? >> that's a great question, alex. a broader question. you know, you've got to remember, elections are hour substitute for the way other societies achieve change. how do they achieve it? riots in the streets and ku de tas. the rhetoric is not always peaceful. not to excuse anything that donald trump has uttered, but you have to put it into context. i think eventually you have to rely on the voters. you have to realize that they will reward or punish candidates for what they say and do. and there's a lesson i learned decades ago when i first started following politics, you don't usually get the votes of those you insult. >> do you think the fact that he

just fired his campaign adviser says much about his future in this election? although i should say there's a discrepancy whether he was fired or resigned, but nonetheless. >> another old lesson in politics is whenever you have a shakeup in a campaign, it isn't good news. shakeups don't occur in campaigns that are going well. shakeups occur when the candidate's unhappy or the poll numbers are taking a dive or whatever is happening. so that's an indication that that debate didn't go quite as smoothly as donald trump and his people would have wanted. >> i've asked this question a couple of times today, but i want to get your response. do you think from within the republican establishment, there is angst there that he is holding the process hostage? because he's got this independent threat looming. i'm curious how long will they tolerate that? or do they have no control over that? >> they have no control, and no

choice, alex. just think back to 1992. clinton versus bush versus perot. perot didn't cost bush the election. clinton would have won a two-way race, bill clinton, that is. but perot caused enorm os problems for republicans, especially when he began running in february of 1992. well, donald trump is starting even earlier. and he's clearly got a lot of intense supporters. and if my twitter feed is any indication, a lot of them say, under no circumstances will they support, for example, jeb bush. i think it's a big problem for the republicans. even if he doesn't run as an independent. but particularly if he does. >> okay. let's shift gears now to carly fiorina. she's been making headlines after that debate performance. the new analysis we have from nbc survey monkey, conducted after the debate, it shows her gaining ground. what do you make of the way the

potential voters are responding to her? >> she was the clear winner from the kids' table debate, the 5:00 p.m. debate. 6 million people saw it, that's not a minor number. a lot less than the 24 million who saw the primetime debate. here's her problem, though. she has to find a way, first of all, to get some real financial support. she's raised very, very little. and she has to generate momentum and headlines in order to gain some polling points, and get into the next debate in mid-september. she's not in the primetime debate in mid-september, i think she'll fizzle. >> do you think anybody drops out from the gop between now and september 16, and that debate? >> well, if anybody drops out, it will probably be from the kids' table. there are some candidates there who are headed for a handful of votes. and i do mean a handful. like three digits in iowa, and new hampshire. so eventually they figure that out, i would suppose.

>> okay. larry, always good to see you. thanks for the chat. >> thanks, alex. developing now, demonstrations, marches, and a moment of silence in ferguson, missouri, to remember michael brown. one year ago today, the unarmed 18-year-old was shot and killed by a police officer. michael brown's father is talking right now. we give you the live picture. that followed all those incidents a year ago now, and they helped launch the black lives matter movement. msnbc's amanda is in ferguson this afternoon for us. amanda, let's talk about how michael brown is being remembered today. >> reporter: good day, alex. there were hundreds of people gathered on canfield drive at the memorial where michael brown was shot dead one year ago. they held a moment of silence, actually it was 4 1/2 minutes of silence, and that marked every hour that his body laid in the street while investigators were clearing the area. that is what really sparked the protests last year, when people were angered to see the response from the police.

now, today, as you can see, this has been a rough 12 months for michael brown's family. michael brown sr. said he has not shaved his beard in the time since his son died. he said maybe he'll start trimming it when he sees more progress as far as reforms on police brutality and police violence. for now, this is going to be a day of peace in remembering michael brown. they will have a silent march that will go to greater st. mark's church up the street. but right now, at the epicenter where the protests broke out last year, it's really alive right now. there are gatherings of barbecues, and it looks like a block party. there's a barbershop giving free haircuts ahead of school. this is a community coming together after their church gatherings today. there are a number of speakers that will be taking the stage there on canfield drive. a number of religious leaders that will be speaking. dr. cornell west is at the canfield drive right now, among other supporters.

so this is really where the movement began into a nationwide movement that we're seeg. >> as much as what you're describing, there to honor michael brown, it sounds like there's almost a slight celebratory sense there. is it because the residents in ferguson feel like there's been a change for the better? >> reporter: you know, i think this is a two-tiered celebration here. the first is to mark michael brown's death. but also, it is to really celebrate the birthplace of a nationwide movement. that being said, a number of the residents and legislators i've been talking to over the last couple of days have voiced their frustration in saying that not much has changed in the day-to-day for the average ferguson residents. many legislators do point to a municipal court reform bill that did pass through the legislature. and it did reform the way that the policies and the penalties that were riding on the backs of the residents were really undercutting the system. but many say that was just low-hanging fruit, and that should have been addressed skren

rations ago. they say the police reform efforts are still stalling. they wanted to see a body camera legislation go through the legislature. that didn't go through. they wanted to see deadly force, use of deadly force on the police part, that didn't go through on any legislation in that. many legislators are very frustrated to see that, when we saw texas, for example, was able to pass a body camera bill, but the birthplace of the black lives matter movement was not able to. >> sounds like small steps forward, with many more to go. thank you so much, amanda. new reaction today to the administration's iran nuclear deal. claire mccaskill remains undecided. hers could be a critical vote. >> it's not a perfect deal obvious obviously. we don't trust iran. but i think too many people are judging this deal against the status quo, not what the new situation would be on the world stage. remember, the world is united in this deal. >> nbc's chris jansing is in

mart martha's vineyard, where the president will be there for a vacation for the next couple of weeks. the undecided democrats, which could be the deciding factor in the fate of this deal. the president will have to make a hard sell to members of his own party. >> reporter: yeah, they are the deciding factor here, because as you know, alex, virtually every republican is against the iran nuclear deal. and the odds favor the president. he needs one-third of the house and one-third of the senate. they still feel confident about that. but certainly it was a blow when senator chuck schumer, who is one of the leading voices on these issues, came out on thursday night and said he could not support it. and so he is going to have a series of interviews being rolled out during the time he's on this vacation, point by point trying to answer his critics, including on the point you just heard senator mccaskill bring up, which is that iran is not to be trusted. >> you don't negotiate deals with your friends. you negotiate them with your enemies.

and super powers don't respond to taunts. super powers focus on what is it that we need to preserve our national security. and the national security of our allies and our friends. >> reporter: it's possible the president could be making phone calls while he's here. senior members of his administration, particularly those who have been closely involved in this deal, energy secretary moniz, secretary of state john kerry, of course, will make calls as needed. the deadline is september 17th. this is sort of at the top of the list of what is going to be a very busy september for the president. it includes a visit by pope francis, the president of china. and hoe's going to be going to new york city for several days for the united nations general assembly, in which this climate change and this topic will be on the agenda. >> i hope the president has a lot of golf on his agenda. does he not? if the weather cooperates? >> reporter: did you see yesterday, he was out with larry

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administrative leave, and per police practice has not yet provided a statement to the investigators. the police chief promised a transparent, thorough and fair investigation, though. the incident is sparking a firestorm online, just as new security video has emerged. adam reese is in arlington with the latest for us. adam, what does this video show? >> reporter: alex, good afternoon. it shows christian taylor ramming his jeep through the front gate of this car dealership behind me. he's then jumping up and down on one of the cars in the lot, ripping off the front windshield. he then drives his jeep through the front plate glass window of the dealership. that's when the police are called in. a 911 call for a burglary in progress. police show up here. they surround the building. officer brad miller goes inside, he chases taylor to the back of the showroom. this is the critical part here. because there's no video. there's some sort of a struggle or altercation. he asked taylor to lie down, according to police he didn't lie down, and miller shoots him

four times. christian taylor, though, was unarmed. >> i think that the rate in which information or misinformation transcends across social media, and is communicated is a direct result of the importance that this topic has in america right now. it demonstrates the value of why we do community policing, the value of why we believe in procedural justice, and the reasons why we invest in our community. >> now, officer miller, 49 years old, he's a rookie. he was considered in training. he had just graduated from the academy in march. he hasn't been questioned just yet about this shooting. he remains on desk duty for now. alex? >> adam, thank you so much. well, perspectives of the donald from a former "apprentice" contestant, coming up. comparing the trump we know and

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let's go to politics and the fallout from donald trump's comments. he's standing by what he said, but his disinvitation from the red state gathering is adding to the growing speculation whether the republican party will back him as their candidate. welcome to you both. we'll go ladies first here, lauren. it's about six months or so to the iowa caucuses and the new hampshire primary. and although the nbc survey monkey analysis conducted after the de wait shows him still on top, can trump win either one of those contests realistically? will he even be around still? >> well, i think we're still sort of in these early stages of trump's rise. and it's very hard to say whether or not he'll be able to actually stick around. i think a lot of people thought after his debate performance on thursday night, that people who

were watching might not feel the same way about him. obviously he's still a straight talker. he still says whatever's on his mind. and that seems to be appealing to voters. but i think six months is a very long time. the field is going to start to narrow and get a lot more competitive for donald trump to stay on top. >> sean, you pointed out something interesting to marco rubio in his "meet the press" interview. despite all the questions his way he declines to talk about donald trump all the time. how much frustration among the candidates that their message is lost in the trump talk? >> i think there's a great deal among several different candidates. he's getting a lot of attention right now. when these candidates go out and campaign in the early states, they go to iowa, they go to new hampshire, they want to talk about their message, their vision for the country. but the reality is, they are not running in a vacuum. they are running for the republican nomination for president. so is donald trump. and they're going to get

questions about what donald trump says. as long as he continues to say controversial things, they're going to have to face those questions, and it does distract, certainly, what they want to talk about. that's the reality of campaigning right now. >> you know, lauren, the nbc survey monkey age lis shows cary fiorina won that debate. >> there's no guarantees, of course. you have to start to do better in the polls. she certainly got a lot of attention. when we were talking to voters, people seem to be a little excited about her. she seems to be a candidate that can talk about hillary clinton, in a way that some of the other candidates, because they're men, cannot talk about hillary clinton. so i think she would be an interesting contrast to the republican party. of course, she has a long way to go before she even sort of cracks that top three. but i think that she kind of adds this interesting dynamic. and i think she's certainly on the road to being a debate candidate next time around.

you know, considering if voters come out and support her. >> what about dropouts between now and then in the next five weeks? >> you know, i think it's hard to say, but there are people in the first debate who when we're talking about pataki, it's very possible that you start to look at how you're going to do in iowa, how you're going to do in new hampshire and you realize it's going to be a couple hundred votes and you start to make some decisions. but for right now, it looks like everything's sticking with it. >> sean, they have six debates scheduled. that's been criticized by o'malley and bernie sanders. do they have a case? >> if you're an underdog, 1%, 2% in the polls, even if you're bernie sanders who is doing better, but still trailing pretty far behind, you want as many chances to introduce yourself before a national audience. we saw this happen on the republican side in 2012 where you had a lot of candidates who

were viewed as long shots, surge in the polls. simply because they got an hour of time in front of a national audience. so i think these guys want more debates. bernie sanders said he will try to work with democrats to create more debates. it remains to be seen whether that will work or not. certainly if you're o'malley and bernie sanders right now, you want as much exposure to a national audience as you can. really, right now, a lot of voters don't even know who these guys are, and they're running against somebody who virtually has 100% name recognition. >> sean and lauren, appreciate it, guys. followers of the black lives matter movement disrupt a campaign event by bernie sanders. up... i'm reworking the menu. mayo, corn dogs... you are so out of here! ahh... the complete balanced nutrition of great tasting ensure. with nine grams of protein... and 26 vitamins and minerals. ensure. take life in.

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welcome back to "weekends with alex witt." activists with the seattle branch of black lives matter brought a bernie sanders political rally to a halt yesterday. those demonstrators came on the stage and they interrupted the candidate as he was speaking,

and essentially shut the event down. >> i was going to tell bernie how racist this city is, filled with its progressives. but you already did it for me. thank you. >> let's bring in lena, professor of pan african studies at california state university in los angeles. and also an organizer for the black lives matter. that movement grew out of that popular hash tag. welcome to you. what, first of all, do you think of what happened in seattle yesterday? >> i think that it's really important that we take space whenever we can. black lives matter, and the systematic assassination of black people at the hands of the state is a top issue for black folks. however, it remains at the bottom of the political agenda of elected officials, including those who we consider to be liberal and progressive. >> so do you think there's any fallout from that. with regard to the candidate who was chosen yesterday, i understand him wanting to take advantage of an opportunity, but bernie sanders.

>> well, bernie sanders, like his other running -- his opposition, has not elevated black lives matter in the way that we need it to be elevated. this is a matter of life and death for us. this is irregularity in our communities. we're not at one-year anniversary of the murder of michael brown. we're coming up on the one-year murder of ford here in los angeles. action has not been taken by this system that we live under. and so we need to make sure that everybody understands that this is an imperative issue. this is an issue that is of central importance to the black community. and simply because you're not in the black community doesn't mean that you get to ignore us. so wherever we need to take space, we will take space. >> i do want to ask you more about the michael brown anniversary in just a moment, but may i just ask, has anybody either reached out to bernie sanders, people in his campaign or organization, or vice versa, have they reached out to leaders in the black lives matter

movement at all to discuss what happened? >> not that i know of. i know that there have been some earlier preliminary and peripheral conversations. but as far as i know, there has been no substantive conversation about how bernie sanders can incorporate black lives matter, and incorporate this issue of state sanctioned violence against black people, as a centerpiece of his campaign. >> okay. the black lives matter movement, relative to michael brown's shooting, again, the one-year anniversary today, how did that particular shooting spark the national attention? what was it about that specifically do you think that got black lives matter going? >> well, one, black lives matter actually was -- came out of the murder of trayvon martin and the acquittal of george zimmerman. so we had been organizing for about a year before mike brown was murdered in ferguson. >> but it seems to have upticked significantly with michael brown. that's something that maybe elevated it. >> absolutely. and we need to understand the

underpinnings, what was happening in ferguson, and in places like ferguson prior to the murder of michael brown. so there were -- there was a kind of an institutional approach to policing that placed black people in a constant state of oppression, and violence. and so the murder of mike brown was an individual instance. however, it was also kind of something that resonated outwards, and that sparked a real rebellion and revolution in ferguson, and globally. so for the last year we've been doing organizing work around the globe, really with increased intensity to remember that black people are killed every 28 hours by a state that's supposed to be protecting our lives. and instead, it's a state that really kind of targets us for death. if we think about the stories in the news that have become routine on almost a daily basis,

it's exhausting to us that we are killed with such impunity by a state that's supposed to be for all of us, including black people. >> is there anything that has changed in your mind for the positive in this last year? >> i think the greatest change is that the people have power. we're recognizing our own power to create change. so black people coming together, and allies coming together with us, and being willing to stand up against the state and say this is not the kind of country we want to live in, and we have the power to vision something new, to imagine something new, and to build what it is we want to live under. >> and in that vision, is there a specific presidential candidate on either side of the aisle who you think aligns themselves the most with what the vision is of black lives matter? >> well, when i think about who's running for president, most of them represent this system of white supremacists,

patriarchal capitalism. so no one intrinsically or on their own really uplifts black lives matter. that said, it's the role of engaged populations to challenge those who claim to represent them, to represent us in the way that we want to be represented. and so that's what the taking of space is about. that's what disruptions are about. that's what dialogue is about. to challenge those who want to represent us, or who claim to represent us, to actually represent us. >> all right. melina abdullah, thank you so much. >> thank you. there's new polling from gallup this week on how americans view the relationship between police and the black community. on a national level, 73% of adults believe police treat minorities in their community fairly, 25% unfairly. among african-americans, 52% believe people treat them fairly. the poll asked about police presence in the community.

18% of white americans want a larger police presence, while 74% wanted no change, 6% wanted a smaller police presence. 38% of black americans want a larger police presence in their communities, while 51% want no change, with 10% wanting a smaller police presence. let's go to politics again and donald trump's marquee presence looming over all the gop candidates and the talk about it. here's what some of his opponents in the race for the white house had to say. >> i have strong women in my family. i've had -- i have strong women in my administration. and my campaign manager is a woman. i've always found that whenever women touch anything, they always make it a little bit better. so it's unfortunate what's happened here. >> they were completely inappropriate and offensive comments, period. >> i'm not going to be quiet. i'm going to call out mr. trump or anybody else for offending

young people -- up to giving their lives for us. >> i've made a decision here with donald trump, if i comment on everything he says, my whole campaign will be consumed by it. that's all i'll do all day. so we welcome anybody who wants to be part of the republican party. >> when asked whether donald trump should apologize for his remarks about megyn kelly, marco rubio said megyn kelly can take anything that comes her way. senator ted cruz is back on the campaign trail this afternoon as he continues a seven-state bus tour throughout the south. making several stops in alabama today, including pellum. making the move from birmingham. welcome back, halle. why this early focus in the south? >> reporter: it's part of the longer-term strategy for the campaign, alex. typically we would see candidates in iowa and south carolina where senator cruz was late last week. but the campaign believes in

order to really compete in this race, it's got to be well organized in some of the states that vote later. for example, we can pull up that map of the states he's visiting on this bus tour. alabama, mississippi, tennessee, oklahoma, arkansas, georgia. these are tell gate-rich states. by the middle of marn march you'll have had the majority of the candidates here. it's also strategic from a media standpoint. there are not as many presidential candidates making visits to these states this early. when somebody like senator cruz does visit, he tends to get some coverage. that's what we've seen so far. the senator, of course, fresh off that speech yesterday at red state in which he brought the audience to their feet several times. he's really pushing his message of consistent conservativism. that's how he hopes to stand out from the crowded feel, to position himself in a race where as you know donald trump has sucked up a lot of the oxygen in

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congress is reversing a trend of getting back to law making. the 114th congress has passed 44 laws. during the previous congress, just 31 laws. and only 28 early in the 112th. but the four congressional sessions before the 112th were far more productive, averaging 71 enacted laws by now. unclassified e-mail system used by thousands of military civilian personnel is expected to be up and running this week. two weeks after the pentagon took that system down after what officials called a sophisticated cyber attack. those officials told nbc news they believe the attack came

from russian hackers, though they would not say if it was the work of the russian government. u.s. attorney general loretta lynch in an exclusive interview told msnbc's melissa harris-perry that cybersecurity is the next frontier in law enforcement. >> everyone rightfully so takes great advantage of the openness of the internet. it has opened our minds, it's opened our economy, in some wonderful ways. but there are people seeking to take advantage of that openness. >> jamie is joining me with all the details on this. jamie, what have we learned? >> the u.s. officials say the intrusion into an unclassified e-mail network occurred two weeks ago, affecting some 4,000 military and civilian personnel working for the joint staff. the officials told nbc news it's believed to be the work of the same russian hackers who back in april penetrated the unclassified e-mail systems used by the white house and the state department. while it's not clear if the russian government was behind

the attack, a senior defense official said the attack is so sophisticated, it had to be the work of a state actor. this comes only weeks after officials discovered a breach at the office of personnel management that resulted in the theft of personal information of more than 22 million people. the white house did not make any official accusation in the breach, though, james clapper the director of national intelligence called china a leading suspect. and in december, alex, the fbi accused the north korean government of the hack that led sony to cancel and then make a limited release of its film "the interview." so there are a number of suspects and there are different types of targets, but experts say the aa tax are preventable. >> cyber attacks and cyber war and cyber crime, it's very different than physical attacks. no business in the u.s., no government agency can stop a jet fighter from bombing their building. however, every government agency and every business can prevent

every cyber attack, because the way to do it is known. and everybody can do it. >> in fact, there is an industrywide effort under way to set some rules of the road. the nonprofit center for internet security lists 20 recommendations for securing a computer system. including controlling who has access, and requiring two passwords for access. in the case of the pentagon attack, officials said the network was penetrated when personnel using the system violated protocol. and clicked on an e-mail from an unknown source. something that security experts say you should never do. alex? >> come on, we all know that. i'm curious, your expert that you spoke with, jamie, who said we're capable of securing our government systems. why aren't we doing it? >> well, the fact of the matter is that some agencies, and not all, but some agencies have been slow to adopt some basic rules of the road. the office of personnel management, for instance, was in the process of adopting what's called two-factor

authentication. in other words, two passwords. when it understood that there had been a breach. and the rest of the time, after it learned that there had been a breach, it was trying to catch up. and now it says it's offered -- or it requires two-factor for all of its employees. but it took some time, alex. >> i understand two passwords are -- we have to change our passwords here quarterly. but considering, it should be a no-brainer. thank you so much, jamie. good to see you. he knows donald trump more as a reality tv star and businessman. former "apprentice" contestant shares his thoughts on the donald's presidential run coming up next. to folks out there whose diabetic nerve pain...

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it donald trump made the rounds on the four morning news shows today refusing to back down from comments he made about megyn kelly following the gop presidential debate. >> you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her -- wherever.

the next day i wake up and i hear that -- that somebody took it as something else. only a deviant would think that, chuck. i didn't even think that. who would think it? i apologize when i'm wrong but i haven't been wrong. >> this is familiar rhetoric from donald trump this presidential cycle. these unabashed statements about certain people and topics. but what does a former contestant on the apprentice remember about druronald trump years ago. the runner-up of season one of the apprentice. take a moment for anyone who did miss the show and was living under a rock, let's take a moment to look back at 2004. >> now everybody assumed that i was going to be picking a really beautiful woman. like amy.

and, hey, i'm stuck with two guys. the fact is that you guys were the best. >> so donald trump has been making remarks about women over the years. first of all, the comments that he made about megyn kelly, as you heard them, were you surprised by them? >> what's interesting about this whole thing is, on the anniversary of black lives matter, today and michael brown, i like to call this whole moment blonde lives matter. what i mean by blonde lives matter -- no disrespect to megyn kelly. i think she is a professional, and she did a great job in the debate. what i mean by that, if we look the a the string of offenses, we start with '09, '10, the birther movement of barack obama and questioning of his papers and his resume and his birth certificate. so making sure that he was qualified to be in the game. then we move on to the mexican immigrant comments and we think about what that meant and the rapists and the criminals, et cetera. once again america didn't really quite speak up in resounding

voice. then we move from there to john mccain and the prisoner of war statements. essentially everything that that meant and questioning someone who spent five years in a p.o.w. camp, once again not a resounding voice of disapproval. now we move to the blonde lives matter moment with megyn kelly and this issue around women. i do think it was highly disrespectful. i think there was a negative intent there. i think it is interesting, america has to ask themselves who do we have to offend for it to matter. >> i'm curious, you find it offensive. most of the women -- i believe that's 53% of the voting population in this country find it offensive. yet donald trump says i didn't mean anything by it, they're misinterpreting. does he speak like that all the time? >> yeah. from my experience on the show, i thought that he was fairly egalitarian. obviously has the huge ego and that kind of stuff but i kind of

heard about the corporate racism and things in the past. what did it for me was the '09-'10 incident around the birther movement. show me your resume, show me your grades, show me that you are fit to be here and that you're qualified and that you have to show your papers as is in some kind of sprikouth afric apartheid method. that was the tipping point for me. >> here's what's interesting though, i don't know mr. trump personally. do i have dear friends whom i hold a lot of respect for who do. they say he is the nicest guy. they love him. tell me what he's like as a person. did you like him? did you get along with him? >> once again there was an '04, '03 mr. trump in terms of the filming and what i thought he represented and how he branded himself. >> which was a show. >> it was a show. it was entertainment. i was happy to be part of that process, so i'm thankful for that platform and what it's done for me as an entrepreneur.

but at the same time, i didn't have the baggage and the data set that we're dealing with now in 2015. so as i look back, i say, hey, he was egalitarian, he was fair with me at the time. obviously some people consider him charming but he's bombastic and has this whole big ego. forward to 2015 and you look at the data set of offenses -- john mccain, megyn kelly, the mexican a immigrants comment -- there is a certain undercurrent there, i call it a toxic eye kcosystem ti feel he continues to create. you have to question whether you want someone like that as a republican nominee. >> so is he fit to be president in your mind? is he an entertainer or a politician? >> i think he is an entertainer. obviously he is a qualified businessman but for me he is not my presidential choice. i'm a registered democrat and supporter of hillary clinton and all the great things that she's doing for america. but in terms of his temperament, in terms of how he reacts to negative situations, in terms of his relationship with women over

time, i think we really have to call into question as voters whether that's somebody we want representing us in the future for the united states. >> quame jackson, thank you so much. have a good one. up next, "meet the press" with donald trump. i'm alex witt. have yourselves a great sunday. hi. hi. hi. hello. hi. hi. hi. hi my name's josh. kelly. my name is raph. steve. my name is anne. tom. brian. krystal. and i am definitely not a robot.

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this sunday -- is it possible donald trump has finally gone too far? >> you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes. blood coming out of her wherever. >> the conservative backlash is fierce. donald trump joins me to react. plus, i sit down with one of the candidates who helped himself in the gop debate. marco rubio. and our new poll. wait until you see who republican voters thought won the debate. also a leading democrat says no to the iran deal. so, what happens next? i'll ask one of the president's closest senate allies, democrat claire mccaskill. finally, was this the pinocchio moment of thursday nigh