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time. every day is a battle to survive and to maintain order. >> down on your feet. down! >> located in the deep south, holman correctional facility, where most are serving life sentences. we spent months documenting life on the inside, where the prisoners have nothing but time and nothing to lose. this is "lockup: holman, extended stay." of the nearly 1,000 inmates at holman state prison, several hundred are segregated for breaking rules on the inside. for inmates with violent crimes and no parole dates in sight, their minds require distractions to stay sane.

>> never a dull moment. >> whether it be the friend next door or the relative hundreds of miles away. >> i want him closer to home. administrative segregation, or ad seg, is where holman's most volatile inmates are kept in 23 hour a day solitary confinement. for 19 of his 43 years, bobby ray gilbert has known no other home. >> it affects a person, it does. i would be lying to say it didn't. your thought patterns change, of what you think about changes. back then, i daydream about the whole getting out, having a family, picket fence. you know, the daydreams to get out and do it right this time, you know? and now you daydream about how

you can blow this whole prison up and kill everybody in it. just feel like, man, if i could just do society a favor. >> bobby gilbert, whose friends call him snake, was locked up for murder when he was 18. he's racked up a lot more time for his violent behavior behind bars. >> i've got life without parole, two life sentences, two 99-year sentences, a 40-year sentence, a 20-year sentence and a 10-year sentence. yeah, i have anger issues. >> we first met bobby gilbert during the shooting of the original "lockup: holman" episode. >> you want us to exhibit some sort of model behavior but yet every avenue is closed to us to do anything constructive. we can't read a novel because we can't have one.

i can't play chess through the mail like i used to. >> it's segregation. it wasn't meant to be nice. you ain't here because you were doing something constructive. >> bobby gilbert's mother kathy hartline remembers their abusive household where both she and bobby were exposed to extreme violence. >> 12 years old, bobby saw a lot of abuse. he did. and i guess it's partly my fault. because i should have got out of it. but i had nowhere to go and i thought i had to stay there. >> i didn't have what you call a childhood where you could, you know, be a kid, play. you know, humor and cutting up wasn't looked upon too favorably. >> a lot of times bobby would see his dad beating me, abusing me, and bobby would tell him, dad, quit, dad, don't do that. we're very close. he's my baby boy.

and he always stood by me and i did him. >> i started picking up where he left off. [ bleep ]. i was turning into the same [ bleep ] he was. i had anger inside of me and then i get into an argument with a man over some money that he owed me and some words were exchanged me and he would pay me over had his dead body. i said, okay, fine, we'll do it that way then. i left. went and bought a rifle and went back and shot him and took my money out of his wallet. so because i took money out of his wallet it was a murder/robbery now. >> instead of rehabilitation, prison had the opposite effect on bobby gilbert. it bred more violence in him. >> i killed somebody because i felt like they were taking something from me and then i come to a world where everybody thinks they can take something from me. so you've got a convergence of forces here.

in november of '90, another inmate beat me out of some money. i went and confronted him and he said some [ bleep ], you know. i just went back in that mind-set that i had enough of this [ bleep ] so i went to my cell and packed all my property because i knew i was fixing to go to jail. i went and got a knife and i stabbed him to death. >> we struggled together. we've hurt together. and he knows if he needs me, i'm here for him. >> at this point you just look back and realize that the best part of it is over with anyway. you know, the ball game is pretty much played. you're just sitting in the bleachers now. >> i talked to him about it. he says little weird comments like, yeah, in about ten years i'll just go ahead and kill me a

police and go to death row and just be over with, you know. because you ain't doing nothing here. you know, not with life without. he ain't got an upper hand, you know? >> bobby's neighbor, donald pippin, has been in ad seg since a botched escape attempt from county jail in 2001. >> what are you doing over there? >> your mama. >> through a shared cell wall, bobby and donald have become friends. >> what are you doing? >> nothing. >> retired? >> yeah. >> it's going to be too hot here in about another month. >> soon donald and bobby will have to do their communicating long distance. donald is getting out in a month. >> i'll probably miss snake. we go at it all the time, you know. he's a cool dude. i hate his situation, you know. >> got a girl next to me that keep me company all the time. >> nobody wants to talk to you. go on home, sissy.

i don't [ bleep ] short-timers anyway! >> in addition to yelling through their doors, donald pippin and bobby gilbert communicate by passing fish lines between their cells. >> everybody's here for a reason. you know, i think he's got his issues just like everybody else, you know. i ain't going to buy no helicopter and help him escape but i hope he does get away one day, you know. >> bobby has been on good behavior for a year, trying to clean up his disciplinary record so he can be transferred to a prison in northern alabama. >> i don't get to see him but about twice a year because he's

in atwater and i'm not financially able to drive down there every month. >> it's a financial strain on her. she has to miss work to drive 400 miles down here. >> i want him closer to home where i can go and be with him. >> it's not about me. i'm going to be locked up wherever i'm at. it just takes some strain off my mom because she wants to see me and i want to see her. and while i understand punishing me or making my life, you know, miserable. you know, that's all well and good. but you know, she ain't done anything to anybody. >> today is bobby gilbert's annual progress review where the senior staff will look at his disciplinary record and see if he should be recommended for transfer. >> what's up, bobby? >> what's up? >> you been doing okay? >> hanging in there. sweating a little bit. >> you was doing all well until march 27th of 2007 when you had a disciplinary citation for insubordination. >> citation. >> citation. what was that all about? >> i had a disagreement with the mail lady. >> mail lady? >> mail that was rejected. i don't even see where it was. i talked to warden culliver but i wrote him about it.

he understands the situation. i rather be written disciplinary so i at least had a hearing on it. i didn't get no say in the citation. you know how that works. >> my assessment at this time due to this recent infraction, i can't make a recommendation for a transfer per your progress review here. >> he just wants to get closer to home, his family traveling. i think he said his mom or someone ill, but if i complete the paperwork here and send it in to central review board, they would not go along with the transfer. just due to that infraction. you okay? >> no, i ain't. >> all right. >> next on "lockup," bobby's reaction to the staff's decision.

>> that's right. the peaceful weekend had become broken by this outburst of violence that so many people were concerned about. i spoke to activists in the days leading up to this weekend. they wanted to make clear he we will commemorate the resistance and anlife and death of michael brown but peacefully. they said it wanted to be a time for families to come out and organizers to let their voices be heard. as has been so often the case in ferguson, peace and the best wishes are smatered hattered. there was an officer involved in the shooting. it's too early to determine how bad the person was injured, whether it came from a police officer's gun or skirmish in the

crowd. the terrifying moments, sounded like a dozen gunshots. everyone scattering and running. if you go to the st. louis county police department, twitter feed, they show pictures of police cars with bullet holes through their windows. one through a bumper. as is so often the case in these crowds, when you don't know where the gunfire is coming from. so and he gets still too early. one thing is clear, this peaceful weekend again has been shattered by violence. ceremoniously on the one-year anniversary of michael brown's death. >> we're looking at video in the split screen moments ago where police and riot gear were moving in. there was a lot of cause for concern. there was a woman on the ground they picked up. we don't know if she was injured if she was overcome by emotions. it's really hard to tell because all of this video is coming from different sources into the newsroom. we're trying to give you as much

information as we can as the viewers. this looks like maybe it's one of the shop there that the window has been broken out. have you heard of much violence of that sort in the area tonight? >> the so far, depending which language you want to use, some people said there was looting. the police chief john belmar on live news coverage said he would caution account word looting. it was crime, it was burglary. someone stole a cash register. there were reports of activity further down of smashed windows and other burglaries and break-ins. even though this weekend was shattered by the violence tonight, there was an unrelated shooting unrelated to the protests of someone late last night in the arm. then early this morning it, someone shot in the foot in at apparent drive-by shooting. again tonight. when you spend time out here so often the case, you don't know what could happen next. it's still too early to know

exactly what happened, but again, this violence is again shattered their peaceful weekend. >> you talk about the pockets of violence, the other two shootings unrelated to any of the protests tonight. are you seeing the violence ramp up over this weekend as we got closer to the weekend or is this something constant in the air? >> one thing thatting had been a concern last summer as well as this is summer apartment police have said it, some of the organizers said it, in the massive protests there are straightup krlsz, people who may take advantage of the situation. when you have disorder, have you angry crowds, you have police. we're talking about commercial district with businesses about lining each side of the road. many dark alleys. that's always been the concern. will violent actors take advantage of the situation. while you always have the mass

after peaceful protests are we've seen time and time again, especially when there's gunplay involved, criminals and thugs take advantage. >> that goes to the point you made earlier about store owner, one in particular, a liquor store. he was out there with a gun it was in plain view protecting his property. west florissant avenue is where we saw violent protests last year. as this weekend came close ker, a lot of those owners putting back the pieces of last year said this will not happen again, to the to my store, not to my business. >> certainly we've seen than especially the night of the not indictment when a jury cleared the officer of all charges and we saw the stretch of west florissant up in flames and so many owners lost their lives and businesses. another concern was from protesters. we saw violence from the police

and tear gas and rubber bullets. some are taking to twitter saying on augustth, the same day police killed michael brown police they're speculating may have killed someone else. without the details of what happened. if there is in fact a serious injury, it could have come from someone else in the crowd, could have come from a police officer. already, the rumor mill starts churning. we're already in this heightened sense this emotional state where even before the shooting ugh saw dos of angry people lining up right across from the police, so reminiscent from last year. while emotions are running high and now we have violence and blood shed perhaps, there is concern all the way around from business owners from those borking hard to try to keep the protests peaceful and then from the police trying to protect themselves and their businesses and maintain some order and peace. but again as we've seen time and again, things can quickly unravel.

>> i want to get back to the video we showed a little bit earlier of those shots being fired within the crowd. i want you to take a moment to look at the video as it comes into the newsroom. [ gunshots ] [ crowd noise ] so as you can see in this video and hear primarily, you're hearing it pockets of shots ringing out, pop, pop, pop here and then people dispersing. you saw the person operating that camera, you know, running a little bit.

and flipping all around. then you heard more pockets of gunfire and obviously people on the ground were trying to figure out where is this coming from, where are the shots coming from, who is doing this. i want you to take you to sound right now from people who were on the ground. take a listen. >> what did you hear? what happened? >> a lot of shots. a lot of gunshots. yeah. and we just ran back here immediately. so. >> it came from over in that direction. >> people were running before the shots were fired. it wasn't even just that. >> how many do you think you heard? >> at least 15 to 20. >> you don't get down -- >> okay. so you heard there the lady say 15 to 20. i'm not sure if we heard that many in that piece of video. we have no idea when that video cut off and if there were shots before or after it started

recording and stopped recording. there are a lot of questions tonight. it is really, really unfortunate, tremaine, and a lot of people's hearts are broketon hear their happened on a weekend where it was simply to remember and to hold a memorial to what happened there. and more importantly to move forward with progress. >> well, that's right. even the idea of moving forward and progress, what that woman said was kind of illustrated how frightening this can be. she thinks she heard 30, 40, or 50 gunshots. that's how it feels. if you've been in a situation where there's gunfire, one or two bullets is frightening enough. then you hear the screams. upward of a dozen, how frightening that must have been and witnesses running. i've seen on social media other witness videos. someone is crying out something happened to our brother or boyfriend. it's unclear or unverified, just how frightening that is.

and coming a year after michael brown's death which sparked off massive change, not just in this community but kind i have sparked this had broader dialogue not just about race but police ing inthis country. municipal court reform and mass incarceration, all of these conversations that have unfurled from this tragic killing one year ago. and even in this community where the department of justice released this very scathing report that spoke to how the police department, the courts were basically fleecing the black community resources and wealth. unfairly jailing them because they couldn't pay bond. so there have been changes in the court system. people are hopeful that this year would mark a moment of change. but when you talk to people here on the ground, they say not much has changed. there's been a black police chief, interim police chief brought in from as. they say perhaps he's a shell.

the city manager, another african-american who is also interim. is there real tangible change here? that it was always the concern. how much would be enough and would all of these changes have any teeth and would this community rally behind it. many would say this, events like this tonight whether police shot someone or someone in the crowd someone will only throw more fuel on what is already a volatile situation. again, when you listen to people talk about the idea that there were a dozen or so gunshots in the area and everyone is running for safety, it speaks to how volatile and fragile things have been here in ferguson. >> also it does speak to the sense of everyone wanting to works together here. the reason why i say that is we are not hearing about pockets of violence right now or people rushing to judgment. we're not hearing about any other type of you know tense

situation from the video that we have seen following the shooting tonight, those pocketses of gunfire that rang out, we saw people just standinging there by the police in riot gear trying to figure out what happened. it doesn't seem like tensions are completely you know off charts. what they're trying to do is foig out what went wrong and they're not leaning toward any sense of violence, if you will. >> to this idea of this community trying to pull together and trying to work together, chief john belmar of the st. louis county police has given a number of interviews in the coming days. he talked about we need to learn some lessons and we're fools if we didn't learn any lessons from last year. john belmar within a half an hour of the shooting, they were being cautious. they said the crowd isn't that big. it's angry but small and very controlled. officers were relatively

relaxed. they ramped up a few times when the protesters got especially close. other than that, folks were close to the police. the police line wasn't too charged besides a few sporadic outbursts and then the gunfire. after that, there's a sense of hope even amid this outburst of violence, had community has been through so much and slowly but surely been trying to walk together and bridge the gap so wide before. now, we just have to wonder will this event push it even further. especially if it turns out that the police killed someone or gravely injured someone. what kind of fuel will that toss on fire? if the person was injured by someone in the crowd, will the other side say you're dealing with nothing but thugs. will that shade the broader protests. there's all the questions and concerns folks have been wrestling with. i'm not sure if tonight threw that in further disarray.

>> we do have very little information as to who started the shooting, where the shooting was directed. who responded. do you know forever a fact that police did respond to the shooting with fire themselves? >> st. louis, the st. louis county police said they weren't involved in an officer involved shooting. they came under heavy fire and returned fire. that much is clear. they're saying their officers returned higher fire after coming under heavy fire. shortly after the shooting they uploaded photos showing bullet holes in their police cruisers. again, short of that, that's that big vacuum of information we don't have yet. surely more information will come. but at this moment, the only thing we know for sure is that police returned fire. now, again, if you talk to witnesses and look at the witness video, there appeared to be a man laying down in kind of

a pool of blood. his white shirt was bloodied. we don't know who he is. we don't know how he was injured. >> it did not look like a police officer? the person that you're speaking of? >> it certainly was not a police officer. the video that i've seen unverified gaggered from social media in the aftermath of the shooting, there was someone on the ground bloodied. two officers is standing over him. there's a guy named protester named tony is actually recording the individual on the ground. the officer standing over him and then another officer appears in the screen from the cell phone video demanding that he move back, he move back. he was actually detained and tweeting he's being arrested. now tony-the protester has since been released. on his video, it's the only video i've seen that shows a close-up image of what appears to be a victim. it's unclear if it's a shooting. you have to presume it could be perhaps a victim involved in the

shooting, bloodied on the ground with two officers? standing over him. >> we're looking at video right now coming into the news room. and the beginning of this video and while it's moving around quite rapidly, we did and you see right there people crouching behind cars. we saw officers is crouching behind police cars. st. louis county police cars, as well. and just trying to figure out where their gunfire is coming from. they were obviously right here, you can see them taking cover. now they get up and start moving toward the businesses toward where people are crouched by those stores. it appears in this video just as you say, trymain, the shots were coming from a direction no one really knows at this point. especially on a weekend with so many high hopes of it being nonviolent, the first thing people want to do is make sure they stay safe.

when you hear shots ringing out like that, everyone takes cover, even the officers it seems. >> that's been the scene you see the officers and journalists and residents and protesters all taking cover behind these vehicles. i think what's also very troubling thought is that there were children out there. when you look at the video, there was families out there. i saw one woman interviewed and had her 12-year-old daughter and boy 6 or 8 right on the front lines. it's unclear where the gunfire came from, how close it was to the police line. seemed to be further back down the street. can you imagine the tragedy we'd be talking about if a young child would have been struck by a bullet oo? these bullets don't have any names. you're talking about 13 of them shot in the darkness with 100 or so if not more people out there. families and children. it's a very troubling idea of what we'd be talking about had a child been struck. again it speaks to just how fragile the circumstance here

is. even on a weekend with such high hope. commemorating not just the death of you know a young man, a teenager, but also the idea that it sparked this uprising that reaped fruit all across account country, sparked a very important conversation that everyone is talking about from the white house to the department of justice to grassroots activists to politicians. bernie sanders tonight released this platform to try to address the needs of you know, african-americans who so often are left behind economically who have this tense relationship with the police and education, access to heat and the myriad issues we're always talking about. you have hillary clinton talking to many of the ferguson protesters. it's this conversation that has been such a critical opponent to the dialogue politically and otherwise in this country. again, here we are. a year after this conversation was sparked by blood shed and violence with what appears to be

certainly violence and perhaps more blood shed. >> yeah. i want to go back to the video that we have. it's the closest we can get to what has sparked all of this tonight. it's this video of shots being fired. let's take another look. [ gunshots ] [ crowd noise ] so as you can see and hear in that video, there's a lot of chaos there. you heard the shots being fired. then you saw people ducking for cover. and it's hard for me to count the number of shots being fired. i believe i could hear pockets of several shots being fired at

three or four different moments in that piece of video. so we don't know if that was coming from one particular area, one particular individual or group of people or several but trymain lee has been tremaine l reporting tonight that ferguson police did return fire. again, it is not known exactly what sparked all these shots ringing out. but there were several of them. several pockets of shots being fired. and we are hearing reports of perhaps one person injured, although we don't know the details of that. but tremaine, you talk about there being kids out there. was the crowd dispersing at the time when the shots were being fired? >> at that point, betty, it seemed that the crowd had been thinning. but there was still a few dozen that were still very -- they were holding strong, very vocal. but it had dissipated from earlier in the evening.

then again, there were kids out there. there were families out there. there were some angry protesters. but one of the things that struck me about watching this video, and the gunshots, and you see the police officers with weapons, you see the store owners, presumably the store owners with weapons. reports of people in the crowd with weapons. when you look at the aftermath of charleston and you hear president obama talk about this country has been blinded by the unique kind of violence with guns. in america, we have almost as many guns as people. everybody seems to be armed. out there tonight in the dark, in this very volatile state and emotions are running high and emotions are raw, and everyone seems -- i don't want to be -- lead into hyperbole, but so many people have guns, not just in america but out on the street tonight. so you have police with guns, in the crowd, reports of people with guns.

families and children, you have the emotions, you have the darkness, you have the anniversary. it's just -- it adds up to just a very troubling and fightening cocktail. again, we saw what happened tonight. >> it is quite terrifying. but also for the store owners, for the people that are trying to protect their livelihoods, their businesses. because as we saw about a year ago now, this same area, this strip of street, really took a beating with violence following the michael brown situation. and as you say, there are shop owners out there tonight just protecting their property. >> that's right. of course, that's always a concern. and i think one thing that the

protesters have always stated is 365 days, you had two nights of burnings and arsons. the night of the nonindictment and the night mike brown was killed. one thing that did seem very different -- and that's why i think the please chief of the st. louis county police urged caution. the night of the non-indictment of darrell wilson, you saw what could only be described as looting, people setting stores on fire. tonight what you saw was -- at least in two instances, the beauty shop right there where someone broke in and stole the cash register. so we don't see this mass movement of protesters or criminals or looters breaking into these shops. but to your point, after what we saw in november when so many of these stores were burned and so many people were temporarily or permanently put out of business, at least with those store owners

that appeared to be out there with guns protecting their property, they weren't going to take any chances. after what we saw in november with the looting and the arson, what will the street look like in five or ten years, will it come back? will this community be able to come back? will taxpayers be fighting the way? will homeowners be fighting the way? will business owners be fighting the way? there are efforts to shift the ship a little bit. the urban league on that site where the gas station was burned down, they leveled it and a community center will be built there to try to give folks an opportunity. you see other efforts trying to offer loans and grants to business owners to try to rebuild. but again, that scene tonight, not just with the shooting but of those store owners standing in front of their property with guns ready to use them to protect their businesses, it speaks volumes about the state of things here. again, so many people were --

had their businesses destroyed. and they're just now -- some of them are just piecing their livelihoods back together. so again, there are concerns. now again, to be clear, we haven't seen mass looting or mass arson. we have seen what appear to be sporadic bursts of gunfire and reports of perhaps some shattered glass and damage further down the street. but again, this is in no way similar to what we saw for a few days in the last year. >> that's a very important point to make. another important point is despite these shots being fired and there were several pockets of them being fired tonight, we watched the video and have listened to it several times since we've been on live with this. but there still seems to be calm in the area right now. people aren't rushing to judgment or violence. they're just trying to figure out what happened. i think it says a lot about the

lessons that have been learned over the course of the year, that people do want peace, but they want to be treated with justice and they wanted to be treated fairly. >> i think that was one of the unfair presumptions throughout the entire situation. the vast, vast, vast majority of the protests had always been peaceful. most of them, i wouldn't say they've always been calm, because emotions were running over. so many people were angered by the killing of michael brown and the militarized response by the police. but the vast majority have always been peaceful and calm. protesters always want the same effort that the law enforcement wanted to put into protecting the businesses and the physical structures, they wanted those same efforts built around protecting them. they were concerned about more police violence. again, this community trying to come together. but from the very beginning, it's been mostly peaceful. you look at the optics of the early, fiery days of the protest after michael brown was killed.

it seemed like the whole community is up in flames. that was simply never the case. we're talking about four or five blocks. unfortunately, this stretch of four or five blocks is always the scene of violence associated with this ordeal that we've been going through for over a year. this same stretch that's been ground zero from the very beginning continues to be ground zero, not only for the protest movement pushing for change in this community and this country, but also time and again of violence. >> and i want you to quickly, as we wrap up here, look around and tell me what you see there on the ground, because it is important to know that despite the fact that shots have been fired tonight, several of them, we understand one person is injured. we don't know the extent of that or the details behind that. but are you seeing crowds continue to gather or disperse? what is the scene like? >> from my vantage point, i'm maybe a quarter mile back.

the police have long ago blocked access to the road. it's now a crime scene. but when i was trying to get closer to the scene, you know, you could hear the whir of the helicopter, the sirens, you could still hear people further down. it's relatively quiet now. i'm further back. my vantage point isn't perfect. but you watch the video, things have calmed down. everyone was just searching for answers, and so it's kind of business as usual here. you have these very high highs, and these lose. but what's always scary here, is there seems to be this calm before the storm. right as things are moving in what appear to be a positive direction,ing? terrible seems to happen. >> we did see that tonight. i want to make it clear to our viewers, tremaine, and you're our closest to our eyes and ears on the ground, these shots, what information to you know about where they came from?

>> at this point, details are still so scant. the county police confirmed again that their officers came under heavy fire and an officer or officers returned fire and they uploaded videos showing bullet holes in their car. that's about all we have confirmed with law enforcement. there appears to be at least one person injured from video gathered, that one person was injured. we don't know how badly. but your point about the shot. when you see everyone scattering in different direction, it is unclear who is firing, where those shots are coming from. we're talking about it was 11:15, 11:20 when this gun fire erupted. you have all these buildings and alleyways leading to the back of these buildings. that was the most frightening part. when you look at that video and you see people scattering, they had no idea where this gunfire was coming from. so the only thing now, as i say

that, i hear more sirens. but right now we only know police came under fire, they returned fire and one person is injured. >> tremaine lee, excellent reporting tonight. what we know is several pockets of shot have been fired there on the first anniversary of the michael brown shooting. and it's not what anyone wanted to hear. but we'll continue to follow it and bring you the latest. donald trump has finally gone too far? >> you know, you could see there was blood coming out of her ey this sunday, is it possible donald trump has gone too farsome >> you could see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever. >> conservative backlash is fierce. donald trump joins me to react. plus, i sit down with one of the candidates who helped himself in the gop debate, marco rubio. and wait till you see who republican voters won the debate. also, a league democrat