again and that's the kind of thing that raises questions. >> yeah, no doubt. thank you for an excellent report, my friend. >> appreciate it. >> david scott, thank you. i'm michael eric dyson. "politics nation" with the reverend al sharpton starts right now. to. tonight on "politics nation," hillary clinton slams donald trump's outrageous comments about women and calls out the rest of the gop field, too. also, the fbi will help investigate the police shooting of an unarmed teenager in texas. and rand paul blames inequality on some people working harder than others. welcome to "politics nation." we begin tonight with hillary clinton weighing in on the latest donald trump controversy. his comments that many believe suggested fox anchor megyn kelly asked him questions, tough

questions at that because she was hormonal. >> while what donald trump said about megyn kelly is outrageous. what the rest of the republicans are saying about all women is also outrageous. they brag about slashing women's health care funding. they say they would force women who've been raped to carry their rapist child and we don't hear any of them supporting raising the minimum wage, paid leave for new parents, access to quality child care, you cequal pay for or anything else to give women a chance to get ahead. >> clinton making the point the gop's problems go beyond just trump but today he claimed his comments were misinterpreted, and said he deserved an apology. >> let me just ask you just to clarify, if someone made such a

comment about a female journalist, suggesting that they were on their menstrual cycle. >> that would be inappropriate. >> it would be classless and juvenile and over the line. >> it would be inappropriate. she asked me an inappropriate question. she should really be apologizing to me, you want to know the truth. >> every other republican running for president has said trump is wrong. >> give me a break. do we want to win? do we want to insult 53% of all voters? donald trump said is wrong. >> in no way do i advocate saying mean things about people. that has nothing to do about political correctness. >> it's cowardly to share those demeaning and insulting comments. >> the language that he's using is absolutely inappropriate. >> women understood that comment and yes, it is offensive. >> republicans can't afford to keep alienating women. in 2012, president obama beat

mitt romney among women voters by 11 points but along single women, the president won by more than 35 points. it wasn't even close. the gop has a serious problem with female voters and i'll go out on a limb here and i'll say that donald trump is not helping. joining me now is msnbc political correspondent casey hunt and joan walsh of salon.com. thank you for being here. >> thanks, rev. >> thanks, reverend. >> casey, let me go to you first. clinton is tieing trump to the rest of the gop candidates. isn't that exactly what they were afraid of happening? >> well, reverend, i think that at this point secretary clinton is in someways having as much trouble breaking through the noise as any of those other republicans candidates and the reality thety is that the clinton campaign expects they will be facing one of the other people in this field and not

donald trump and so in someways, it's actually muted their message and their attempts to hold candidates accountable for what they say are anti women views but really tough to even break past that and i will also point out that also on "morning joe" it wasn't part of the clip you discussed but they put questions, policy questions on women's issues on donald trump and he refused to answer. he couldn't talk about the policy of equal pay. >> and i think, joan, that that is selling. he would not deal with the policies even on women's policies when he's in the middle of this kind of controversy, and whether people believe that he was being hormonal as most people that i've talked to believe or whether he believes he was referring to her nose,

which also by the way, wouldn't be appropriate. it's not like he -- that's appropriate. it may not be as blatantly sexist but certainly still inappropriate. whatever your belief, it clearly says he has no real policies around women or concerns. i mean, has he become the candidate the gop deserves? >> i think he is the candidate that they deserve because he really does share so many views and honestly, reverend al, you and i have talked about this before. we've seen such an outbreak of racism in the wake of the election of president obama. this is not new. i mean, i've had conservative politicians say disgusting things to me with no backlash. it's just happens to one of their own. it shouldn't happen to megyn kelly but now it's a big deal but casey makes a great point. he's complained about megyn kelly not asking him policy questions and mika asked policy

questions and he said i can't get into that. >> wait until the next debate. >> casey, the blood comment wasn't the only offensive thing he said about megyn kelly. listen to this from "the today show". >> you reposted to your followers on twitter a message from someone else but this message called megyn kelly a bimbo. so you publicized that message to 3.6 million people. do you think she's a bimbo? do you agree with that? is that why you posted it? >> i thought the questions she was asking me were inappropriate and the questions that somebody you could make the case. >> you could make the case. you could make the case she's a bimbo? he had a chance to say any number of things, no i don't agree. somebody on my staff retweeted it. i didn't. i deny knowledge.

he not only doubled down not denying it but said you can make a case for calling her a bimbo. >> we can use cliche phrases like double down, triple down, i've lost counsel of the number of times that donald trump has doubled down on statements he's made that have been deemed controversial or that, you know, people in the media have said would definitely kill his campaign, and they just haven't and this seems like the latest it ration of that. >> you know, joan, you got to give the donald credit. he's also been helpful because he reminded us this morning he's not the only candidate with a troubling record on women's

issues. let me play this for you. >> so the women's health issue, which jeb bush so amazingly blew about four or five days ago when he said no money going to women's health issues or essentially that and with me, i would be the best for women. the best for women's health issues. >> you know, nothing like bringing somebody down with you. i mean, very helpful of him but how big will women's issues be in 2016? >> enormous. the clinton campaign has a strategy for mobilizing women. they see the numbers you played reverend al. i kind of worried in the wake of the debate that people would not pay attention to the ridiculous and the hideous things that the candidates said about abortion, the jebs comment about half a million, half a billion dollars is just too much money, might be too much money, that these things were being obscured by the circus atmosphere. very nice of donald trump to bring us all back to the fact

there were men on that stage who said some pretty awful things and that will have a very hard time going after the women's vote, if they get the nomination. >> you know, hillary clinton, casey, today also called out marco rubio for his position on abortion rights. listen to this. >> when one of their major candidates, a much young ehrmann, the senator from florida says there should be no exceptions for rape and incest, that is as offensive and as troubling a comment as you can hear from a major candidate running for the presidency. >> now, she's in effect saying casey, what rubio is saying is just as offensive as what trump said. will that resonate? >> well, reverend, to a certain extent this is the difficulty of dealing with donald trump. the flip side of the fact he can command headlines by saying outrageous things and if you're

the clinton campaign, it makes it hard to, you know, give your voters a sense that they should be just as alarmed about rubio as much calmer seeming but in their view extreme policy positions. that's the challenge that they face and that's again, we were talking a little bit about this earlier. that's the challenge for them. i mean, scott walker had a similar moment in the debate where he was asked about protections for the life of the hotter and abortion-related legislation and, you know, we're not sure where this trump phenomenon is going to end up. i think the you didn't have trump there, both that scott walker moment and also rubio's position here, would be things that could potentially, we would be talking about them as things that will potentially last into the general election and they still could, but i think at this point, with what's happening with trump it's so unpredictable, i'm not sure that we can go so far as to start having that conversation at this point. >> do you think, joan, that we're seeing the beginning of the end as we've seen it

predicted wrongly before? i mean, the new poll out, trump is still up at 19%, carson at 12, walker at 12, 11 to bush, 10 to carly and cruise at 9. >> every junction topoint, he s can't say that. he pick add fight with fox and one. roger called him to beg him to come on the shows. there is a great -- >> we'll talk a lot about that later in the show. i have the question, casey, though, for all of you to ask donald trump that will really bring a lot of followers to thinking if he won for president, would he put a big t on his emblem on the white house. everybody should think about that. casey hunt, joan walsh, thank you both for your time tonight. >> thank you. new questions about the

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as the officers who are seeking to protect it in harm's way. >> attorney general loretta lynch condemning violence breaking out in ferguson, missouri overnight. today authorities declared a state of emergency in the town. that's after gunfire erupted scattering crowds that gathered to mark one year since the death of michael brown. [ gunshots ]. >> police said the shooting was an exchange of gunfire between two rival groups and had nothing to do with the peaceful prote s protests. >> no, they were crime nils, not protesters.

protesters talk about how to affect change. there is a small group of people out there that the are intent on making sure we don't have peace that prevails. i don't know how else to say that. >> today an 18-year-old is in critical condition related to the violence. police say he opened fire on pla plain clothes officers in an unmarked car. he faces charges of assault. those officers have been placed on administrative leave. msn msnbc's termaine is live in ferguson. what is the mood like there now? i was there friday with members of the family and into saturday morning and i hear this into new york sunday and i know it's unrelated to the protests. what's the mood now on the street? >> folks are at once saddened

and frustrated that while they are commemorating a movement sparked by bloodshed and violence that again bloodshed and violence revisited this community and have taken so many steps forward and in someways tainting all they have been trying to built. another amount of protesters point to the fact the police were in plain clothes and unmarked police cars and the st. louis county police say they turned on the lights on the inside, they just don't trust anything the police have to say. even while folks who were out there heard this kind of gunfire and clearly, there were folks in the crowd that were firing and police say this young man was a part of that initial problem, they simply don't believe the police and say again, it illustrates why they have been protesting in the first place. >> i understand that and again, i had left on saturday but i

understand yesterday there was gunfire while the peaceful protest was going on totally unrelated and the incident that caused the injury was later last night two. shootings, both unrelated to the protesters, is that correct? >> reporter: that is correct. that's when we talk about this language, so many times people gather in street but are they legitimate protesters. last night most of the organizers and dr. cornell west and folks were at st. marks. after that there was a free concert with a bunch of activists mcs, most of the organizers and protesters weren't on ferguson. what you saw on ferguson last night was reminisce of the night of the indictment. 14, 15, 16 mixed in with families and other folks but the mood was different. even today's civil disobedience, very organized and ordinarily.

it was fwas in passion and angr spirited. >> the movement that had already been scheduled. that movement was initiated. thank you for your reporting this evening. now we turn to the police shooting death of an unarmed college student in texas. the arlington police chief is asking the fbi to help with the investigation and to the death of 19-year-old college student christian taylor. he was killed by a police trainee inside a car dealership. security video shows taylor vandalizing cars at the scene. the video also shows him crashing a jeep into the showroom. but it does not show the fatal encounter. >> suspect is still inside on the property. he broke into possibly a gray

colored ford mustang. >> we got shorts fired. >> police say taylor tried to flee the scene and was shot during a struggle by officer brad miller who has been put on paid leave. he has not yet provided a statement to investigators, which is standard practice for police in the area. the police chief promises that there will be a transparent thorough and fair investigation. joining me now is mark claxston, former new york police officer and director of black law enforcement alliance. thanks for being here. >> thank, rev. >> what will be the initial focus of an fbi investigation in a matter like this? >> it's a typical investigation. you want to gather as much evidence out there as possible. some is forth coming and released.

additional evidence has not been released but i'm sure they will examine that. you want to go over ballistics and forensic evidence and what could have occurred, what did occur and back that up by good science and investigators on the scene trying to kind of recreate if you will exactly what happened where every one was, the positioning, what evidence is and what that evidence will tell you about what actually occurred. >> now, there were two officers involved in this confrontation with christian taylor. officer miller is a rookie. he fired his gun four times. the other officer is a 19-year veteran of the force. he used his taser. could experience have played a role in the decision about the use of police and should the this trainee should he even have been there on the scene when a call like this was made? >> oh, experience, absolutely is

very relevant and especially these use of deadly physical force when you have a more experienced officer who does not use deadly physical force. you have an officer with limited amount of time and really, a tremendous limited amount of time on the job itself who does use this firearm and uses it four times as opposed to the more experienced officer who used non-lethal means, at least attempted to in the interaction there. so definitely is relevant and speaks in addition to time on the job or experience, it also speaks to the current level of professional standards across the nation in policing and whether or not there needs to be a further examination of that, as well. >> now, christian's father spoke about his son's death. listen to this, mark. >> what he's done in no way is

right but shoot an unarmed man and you're trained to take down, as a police officer you're trained to take down men with your hands. you have your tasers, you have your clubs, whatever there is. unarmed 19-year-old and you shoot the kid? >> won't that be a key part of the investigation whether or not it was justified to use deadly force? >> oh, absolutely. they will examine that continual force as its referred to in law enforcement circles. what type of force? is it justifiable from a legal standpoint et cetera and what the father expressed is what other communities and individuals expressed and that's he really displays an erosion in the confidence of law enforcement. you know, because we're at the stage right now where everything has to be questioned rightfully because we've seen some cases where there weren't enough questions asked or the right answers weren't given to the questions so, you know, he's

really expressing not only grief of a family member, but really the, he really dils played what is happening across the nation and that's an erosion in confidence and trust unfortunately in law enforcement. >> mark, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you, rev. coming up, rand paul says we can solve income inequality if people work harder. it's like the 47% comments all over again. and after are done nuald trump and fox ne getting back together? that means for 2016. wrap , mommy, but it's time to let the new kitchen get some sleep. ♪ if you want beautiful results, you know where to go. angie's list. everyone can shop for services from highly rated companies, even without a membership. but as a member, you can save more. and you get exclusive access to ratings and reviews.

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selling more. if people have the income. >> he said that, that's right, he's claiming inequality to people working harder. implying that the poor just don't work harder. it's also strikingly similar to jeb bush last month when he said americans need to work longer hours. and for party trying to move forward, it's a painful flash back to mitt romney's 47% comments. but for democrats, it's an opening, a chance to put forward serious solutions. today hillary clinton unveiled her college affordability plan and she took aim at republicans who refused to make it a priority. >> i want them to have to answer to the american people why they don't want to make college more affordable and refinance college debt. this has to be a choice and so what we're doing is setting up

our side of the choice. setting up, you know, the proposal that i'm making and then i'm going to be looking to see what their response is and then let's have an election about it. >> bernie sanders is drawing the contrast with republicans and drawing huge crowds, a record-setting 28,000 showed up in portland, oregon for his rally last night. if republicans want to gain ground on this issue, they better take rand paul's advice and work harder. joining me now is austin, former chairman of president obama's counsel of economic advisors and democratic strategist jamal simmons. thank you both for being here. >> good evening. >> thank you. >> austin, what is your take on land paul's comments income inequality is due to some people working harder? >> look, you kind of nailed this. the thing that's interesting is

that data shows that the biggest increase in income inequality has come from the big returns to capital income. the earning of interest on your inter tense, on big stock holdings. obviously, how many hours you work at your job is not going to allow you to catch up to the amount that donald trump's kids are getting when the stock market is going up 15% a year. so i think he really missed the boat and hillary clinton was on both with the focus on college education and in her last speech, she highlighted let's have programs to have businesses share more profits with employees. those are both things that would address inequality. >> jamal, were rand paul's comments a slip of the tongue or do they reveal something about the right wing philosophy? >> no, it's clearly not a slip of the tongue, rev. they have an entire plan about

how to cut taxes so that it benefits the wealthy more. the problem for the republicans on this is that most americans think they are working pretty darn hard. most americans get up every day and go out and work and don't see the returns. what austin is talking about and others, when you see productivity going up and wages staying flat, you got to find a way to get the system fixed so people can see the benefit of their work. that's the challenge. we have to explain that in big mass economic terms that americans don't get. they already know it and feel it in their bones and looking for somebody who will help fix it. i think hillary clinton did a great job today offering a plan that is going to disrupt opportunity to let more people participate in our economy, not less like rand paul. >> you know, austin, i mentioned that the this was reminiscing of rand paul, it sounded similar to jeb bush saying something last month.

listen to this. >> work force participation has to rise from the all-time modern lows. it means that people need to work longer hours and through their productivity gain more income for their families. that's the only way to get out of the rut we're in. >> so jeb bush is saying people need to work longer hours. rand paul saying they need to work harder. i mean, has the gop learned anything since mitt romney's 47% comments? >> not from -- you don't see it in those statements, certainly. i mean, there is a little bit of a distinction between the two of them, bush and rand paul but i can't tell which one i find more disturbing. on one hand, jeb bush seems to have a totally pessimistic view that he says the only way we'll get out of it is if people go work even harder than they do now, which americans that are working already work more hours

than virtually any other country in the entire oecd of advanced economies. land paul took it one furtherer appearing to say that the inequality was good, that it kind of reflected what was accurate, that the reason people don't make as much is they are not working hard enough and don't sell things that people want to buy. now, that's a different idea but it's an equally offensive idea to people who are doing their jobs. >> i mean, what i guess i'm trying to get jamal is don't they just seem out of touch? i mean, don't they seem disconnected from americans in everyday life? >> they do seem disconnected, rev. as he said, this is economic and social darwin is m. you're better than the other people. that's the part of lthat most pe don't buy. they know they work hard and watch neighbors work hard and

see what happens. i can remember vividly being on the campaign trail with candidates and having people walk up to them and say it's not just fair for people like me. the wealthy get everything. the elites in the community get off but we're stuck with the bill and it's not working. people want somebody who will help, just regular everyday average americans have a shot at being successful. >> austin, you mentioned hillary clinton's affordability program in terms of college tuition. let's look at what the democratic candidates are proposing to make college more affordable. hillary clinton's plan would put $350 billion toward college affordability and student loan reform. bernie sanders introduced a bill to eliminate tuition at four-year public colleges. how much will issues like this help democrats draw contrast with republicans in 2016? >> oh, i think that's going to be a pretty big contrast. you know, you already saw the

republicans when hillary clinton outlined her plan. knocking themselves over trying to criticize and say it's terrible. it's going to be the worst thing in the world. so i think that will be a point of contrast, but bernie sanders, as you say, also coming in with a college plan. the democrats are firmly putting themselves on the side of we got to get more educational opportunities for young people and the cost of college is a critical component of that. anybody whose against that, i think is going to suffer with the american electret. >> that's my point, jamal. i'm out of time but the fact is even if you don't have a commitment to this or if you're not one that really actively fought for these kinds of things like i have, the politics of it, 63% of americans say income inequality is a major issue. how do you win going against almost two-thirds of the country

saying this is important to us? >> it's just good politics. i know you got to run, rev. as the politics person, this is good for hillary clinton to be out changing the subject and talking about what she wants to do for america, not talking about other controversies. >> thank you both for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> thank you. ahead, donald trump versus fox news. trump talks on the air but what is going on behind the scenes? plus president obama opens up about ferguson and the urgent need for criminal justice reform. hi. hi. hi. hello. hi. hi. hi. hi my name's josh. kelly. my name is raph. steve. my name is anne. tom. brian. krystal. and i am definitely not a robot. i'm one of the real live attorneys you can talk to through legalzoom. whether it's for your business or your personal life, don't let unanswered legal questions hold you up.

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do you think the fox moderators were fair to you last night? >> no, i don't think so. i'm not sure that fox is fair necessarily, or maybe i should just keep it going because it seems to be whatever it is, it seems to be going. >> for days republican front runner donald trump bashed the fox news debate. he called out the moderators and their questions, but then today, a sudden change. when trump revealed the president of fox called him, he tweeted roger ails just called

me. he is a great guy and assures me that trump will be treated fairly on fox news. his word is always good. for the record, yes, he did put quotes around his own name but i degres. the tweet was after he was grilled about whether he talked to fox and trump played it coy. >> obviously, it's not in fox news' interest to be in a war with you and it's not with fox' best interest to be at war with you. have you talked to anybody about trying to find common ground with the network? >> well, i don't want to say that but i'll tell you -- >> well, hold on a second. you're a straight talker, baby. >> i don't want to say. why should i say. i'm not going to embarrass anybody. i lead my leap -- my whole life is led on the theory i do not want to embarrass people. >> he doesn't want to embarrass

people? he gave out lindsey graham's phone number. but apparently, he's now making a amends with fox. he has a long history with the network. before running for president, he was a regular but once he stepped off that set and on to their debate stage, he thought the host singled him out. >> you called women you don't like fat pigs, dogs, slobs, and disgusting animals. [ laughter ] >> your twitter account. >> only rosey o'donald. [ laughter ] >> you've also supported a host of liberal policies and you've also donated to several democratic candidates, hillary clinton included, nancy pelosi. >> trump corporations, casinos and hotel haves declared bankruptcy four times over the last quarter century. >> but after demanding an apology, trump is coming home. a fox news host just posted that

trump would appear tomorrow morning on fox news to talk about his relationship with fox news. joining me now is eric, he's from media matters for america. thank you for being here. >> my pleasure. >> listen donald trump talk about this drama on "the today show". >> they had 24 million people watching. the largest in the history of fox and the largest in all of cable television history. 24 million people. if i wasn't on the show, they would have had 2 million people watching and probably wouldn't have had that many. the other candidates are lucky because at least people are watching what they are saying as opposed to nobody caring. >> eric, is that the calculations here for fox, trump brings viewers, high ratings, for trump they give him exposure? >> it's kind of a win, win lose. it's a win for fox.

they had record-breaking ratings for the debate and a win for trump. it's a lose for the republican party and democrats are also winning, too. democrats were thrilled that the debate had record ratings. it was funny that tweet, so trump is this fox creation. he's going to the appear on fox to talk about his relationship with fox news. i mean, we're in the house of mirrors at this point and it's impossible to separate fox news from trump from the republican party. it's all one big stoop. there is joe scar burro. did you talk to roger? he doesn't have to tell him who roger is. why would the candidate be calling the head of a news organization over the weekend? this is where we're at in terms of the convoluted relationship. >> what happens after this big feud? >> nobody really knows. is ails just playing this for ratings? he building up trump? you know, media matters documented trump got the most air time last two months in a row of all candidates. is he building trump up for the

debate and now fox is going to turn? we don't know. there is lots of people that still love him. his interviews tomorrow, my guess are going to be phoning interviews on fox news. >> well, we also read about how the owner of news corp, which owns fox, rupert murdoch was against donald trump but that ails was in a different place. are they playing good guy, bad guy with the public here and that they end up with big ratings and advertisers while they act like there is some internal difference while everybody there is laughing at these kind of ratings they are getting? >> early on, rupert murdoch critical with the twitter account and going after trump but on silent on that front there is always a turf battle of roger ails dominates fox news. he has the ratings and revenues to keep rupert at a distance. rupert has sort of quiet thely backed off his opposition of trump. but all of this leaves

republican party in turmoil because they handed over branding to the a cable channel. >> on the fox part of this, would they sacrifice their star news anchor in the evening in prime time, megyn kelly? i mean, would they throw her in front of the quote bus as we would say to keep donald trump because of the ratings? i mean, don't they have some obligation to dealing with her? she's their major evening host. >> right, in terms of defending her, he went after her strong after the debate. >> retweet add bimbo. >> we haven't hear roger ails defend her. i don't think they will throw her under the bus. it's almost every man for themself. the morning show might like trump. the evening show might not like trump. this is what happens when you hand over the branding of a primary to a cable channel.

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one year after the shooting death of michael brown, it's clear we need to continue talking about policing and civil rights in america. president obama talked about the urgency of these issues. >> if in my first term ferguson flared up as president of the united states, i would have been commenting on what was happening in ferguson. i feel a great urgency to get as much done as possible. and there is no doubt that after over six and a half years on this job, i probably have an easier time juggling a lot of different issues, and it may be

that my passions show a little bit more. >> he is showing his passions but we're not seeing that same passion on the right. at last week's debate, there were few questions on policing, voting or civil rights but the debate's co-sponsor facebook released the poll showing the top five talked about top picks. numb one is racial issues ahead of mexico, the economy, lgbt issues and immigration. it's top of mine in an urgent time but some say focussing on racial discord only creates more. >> if anyone focuses on racial discord, we'll get more. you see that across the country and in this administration. if we focus on unity, we'll get more of that. >> we need more dialogue on

race, not less. when you have structural inequality, when you have unfairness, it is not dee vie sieve not to talk about it but to talk about it. if there is a racial divide in the criminal justice system, in the economy, to leave it divided is divisive. to bring it together, is where you solve problems. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. donald trump three strikes but not out. let's play "hardball." good evening i'm steve. he aed