inequality, when you have unfairness, it is not dee vie sieve not to talk about it but to talk about it. if there is a racial divide in the criminal justice system, in the economy, to leave it divided is divisive. to bring it together, is where you solve problems. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. donald trump three strikes but not out. let's play "hardball." good evening i'm steve. he accused rapist coming into the united states and went after john mccain says he likes people who weren't captured and this

weekend attacked megyn kelly for what he deemed a nasty question at the debate. late on friday, trump had this to say about kelly. >> she gets out and she starts asking me all sorts of ridiculous questions. you can see there was blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of her wherever. >> those comments were interpreted by many to be referring to kelly's menstrual cycle. trump said only a quote def yant would think that's what he meant. >> in discussinglati later, i s she was so angry, blood was coming out of her eyes, blood was coming out of her and i didn't finish the answer because i wanted to get onto the next point but i was referring to or if i finished i would say ears or nose because that's a common statement. >> trump continued attacking kelly tweeting out a link today to an interview kelly did with

howard stern in 2010 that included sexual questions. trump said oh, really, check out innocent megyn kelly's discussion on howard stern's show five years ago. i'm the innocent pure one. "morning joe" today trump said he's the one owed an apology. >> the fact is she asked me a very inappropriate question. she should be apologizing to me if you want to know the truth and other candidates said that. >> trump's attack on megyn kelly is criticized by many of his republican opponents for the white house. this afternoon hillary clinton said the republican party is going to have to deal with trump. >> i said it was offensive. i was said it was outrageous. i stand by that. i think more people should say the same and should be going after him, the republican party will have to deal with him. >> hilary was asked about trump's charge last week that she showed up at his wedding because she had no choice. trump said he donated to the clinton foundation and said be at my wedding. here is hilary this afternoon.

>> it's all entertainment. you know, i mean, i think he's having the time of his life, you know, being up on that stage, saying whatever he wants to say, getting people excited for and against him. >> are you seeing a side of him that you didn't see before? >> i didn't know him that well. i knew him. i knew him and i happened to be planning to be in florida and i thought it would be fun to go to his wedding because it's always entertaining. now that he's running for president, it's a little more troubling. >> joined my katy tour, jonathan capehart. katy, in politics, what we're used to seeing is when a candidate says anything, hail rains down upon them and gets a new crowd, starts apologizing and blushes a bit. we're not seeing any of that from donald trump.

is that because donald trump thinks he can talk his way out of this. >> donald trump is not a politician and so far talked his way out of it. after the mccain comments, he pivoted to giving out lindsey graham's phone number and everybody was talking about that. he's been successful at refusing to apologize and just barrelling through all the controversy and that's what he's doing again right now. it will be interesting to see if he's going to be able to maintain his level of support. i personally think he will. i think those that want to support him are going to continue to support him. they believe that these comments were fair game. he keeps saying the media is out to get him, that the media is attacking him and they are people who believe that's true. so megyn kelly is just following into that corner of just another media personality whose going after the poor innocent donald trump. those who don't like him on the other hand find these comments particularly offensive and coming out and screaming about this and getting very angry about it but donald trump is not

a politician. donald trump made a career out of being outrageous, made a career out of to thing himself as the best and most important and smartest person in the room. if you look at his website, he has nothing about policy issues, no issues page whatsoever. instead, it's to thing how he's a great businessman and emmy nominate for the hosting of "the apprentice". >> the fact that this is fox news, this is a fox news personality trump is going after is a big part of the story as well and today trump tweeted out that roger ails just called and he's a great guy and assures me that trump will be treated fairly on fox news. his word is always good and meanwhile, fox news host steve tweeted that trump will appear on the network tomorrow to discuss his relationship with the channel. jonathan, this dynamic is interesting to me because the one piece of conventional wisdom is you can't run in the modern era for the republican

nomination and be at war with fox news. trump is at war with fox news. this isn't going to last but we find out he may go back on the network and may have had a friendly phone call today and the controversy with megyn kelly and comments about blood is barely mentioned on fox news the last few days. >> uh-huh, uh-huh, yeah. so it's interesting he had that conversation with roger ails because they both need each other. i mean, donald trump is big with the fox news audience. and he needs the fox news channel to get his message out but folks voting in the primaries are watching fox. what i find interesting, steve, we heard a lot from donald trump since friday. we heard nothing from megyn kelly. i'll be curious to see if she says anything tonight on her

show about this entire controversy, whether she has a personal response or her show addresses it. i have no idea what she would say but it's clear when it comes to thick skin versus thin skin, you have to have a thick skin if you run for president and donald trump with his constant thrashing out against enemies calling them losers and zippo and low in the ratings and dumb and stupid, he has incredibly thin skin. >> a new survey in the wake of last week's republican debate shows trump maintaining a strong lead. he's at 23% among republicans that is ten points higher than his closest competitor who is now ted cruz in the survey. trump holds a strong lead in an online survey also taken since the debate and meanwhile, a new ppp poll from iowa shows trump leading the field among

republicans there. jonathan, again, we've seen this movie before. we saw it after the john mccain comments. this is going to be the end of him. all republican haves an excuse to pile on donald trump. watch the poll numbers collapse. this is still a little bit early but we have three bits of evidence in these polls that are coming out today that at least in the immediate aftermath of this debate, donald trump did not go down at all. >> we see a solid base of support for him and the people that support him are anti any establishment. somebody gets in a fight with anybody perceived to be the establishment whether the media or another candidate reinforces their belief in him. you know, on the megyn kelly issue, it will be interesting to watch her show as jonathan was saying and see what she says tonight. if donald trump behaved this way, we could call that harassment and it's got to be a point that it's particularly ugly and i can only say that i have tremendous respect for her for not engaging in it. >> here is my question with this

fox news trump relationship. who is more scared of who here? typically the republican candidate would be terrified but trump is saying hey, look, you're fox. you shattered existing records for audience for a debate. you got a rating that nobody could believe. 25 million people watching your debate and you only got that rating because of me. >> yeah, i mean, he talks about his ratings the way that some people talk about their wives or, you know, talk -- it's interesting to watch. jonathan was talking about thin skin and thick skin. this is a thin skin guy who is very sensitive to his standing and has a pretty big ego and to support that, he talks. he did the ratings and my guess is megyn kelly's show tonight will be highly rated, as well. jonathan is right. they need each other. i think it makes sense they will come back towards each other. the republican party should be worried because if fox news is in the trump camp, that is

problematic. >> trump's swipe at megyn kelly drew strong criticism from opponents in the republican race. >> come on. [ applause ] >> give me a break. i mean, are we -- do we want to win? do we want to insult 53% of all voters? what donald trump said is wrong. that is not how we win elections and worse yet, that is not how you bring people together to solve problems. >> i think it's cowardly to share those kinds of demeaning insulting comments. >> they were completely inappropriate and offensive comments, period. >> and trump struck back tweeting i just realized if you listen to carly for more than ten minutes straight you get a massive headache. she does not stand a chance. she was in the second tier kids' table debate. she was declared the winner by more republicans but katy turr,

we've seen jeb bush talking about how inappropriate trump's comments are and how wrong the tone is and how self-destructive to have somebody out there saying these things. it has not budged his number. what will it take for a candidate to breakthrough the message? >> i don't know. again, if you like trump, you'll continue to like him. he's appealing to the outsider base but i don't think that he's going to be able to maintain a lead in the polls and get the nomination unless he starts to branch out. in order to branch out, he needs to show substance behind all the tough talk. he's going to talk, need to talk about how that wall is going to be paid for. how it will be built. his immigration stance. how he feels about health care. more than just we need to repeal obamacare. but we have, you know, four, five, six months to go before the first primaries and caucuses and got some time to do that.

right now he's sucking the air out of the room and continuing to get the headlines with these outrageous statements and continuing to lead in the polls. i think it's just one of the things we're going to have to wait and see as it goes along, but he's going to need to at some point start making a broader appeal to the republicans. >> well, yeah, jonathan that's one of the things i'm trying to figure out looking at the polls. we show him 23, 25, 26% in first place but been in the low mid 20s and i'm trying to figure out does that mean the other part of the party is hardening in opposition to him? is he at 25% because there is 16 other candidates. is he still going to be at 25% or is there room for him to grow this? >> there is room for him to grow this and that's assuming if senator ted cruz gets out of the race before trump does that assumes that ben carson gets out of the race before trump does, that assumes that mike huckabee gets out of the race before

trump does. there are people, this is one of the reasons why ted cruz will not criticize donald trump. cruz is counting on trump to get out of the race sooner rather than later but definitely before he does and cruz wants to be the beneficiary of those trump supporters. so, you know, the other thing about donald trump's numbers and why his numbers and what i find so concerns that why he keeps rising in the polls, he's not rising in the polls because of a position on, say, like a fair tax or as katy pointed out, alternative to obamacare or a strong stance on foreign policy. each time he's risen in the polls because he's done some, tempted into quote the anger of the electret. mexicans coming over and they are rapist. john mccain isn't a war hero because he got captured and the thing i found most offensive about the debate is not the

interaction back and forth between megyn kelly and donald trump, it had to do with the fact he called out by name rosey o'donald after a list of really derogatory words. he trashes veterans. he trashes immigrants. he trashes women and his poll numbers keep going up. he's tapping into anger but it's a hate-filled anger and that's a problem for the republican party and country. >> the other piece, you look at other politicians, other candidates, other people with official titles before their name calling him out on this, one thing that may animate supporters is they hear that krit sis sk criticism and see it's coming from politicians, you know, go screw yourselves, that's the mess they are sending by saying they support trump. thank you-all and coming up, jeb bush says donald trump is costing the republican party women voters. lindsey graham says he's inflicting fatal damage and urging the 2016 field to stand up to him.

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yesterday land paul wrote an editorial when he said trump has no place in the party. quote, it sounds too much like he's someone used to bullying to get his way. what do you do to a bully? stand up to him. if he's willing to possibly give the election to hilary, he shouldn't be on that stage, that should be the first and uniting principle. we don't need a bully and we don't need another president who thinks he is king. senator lindsey graham told the "washington post" the party needs to intervene. quote, just like driving by a car wreck without rendering aid. trump is a car out of control and somebody needs to get him out of the car. i don't see a pathway for 2016 to win the white house if we don't de-icetibesiddecisively d. we're at a cross roads at a party. joined by republican strategist with the santorum campaign and

katy packer gauge. john, let me start with you because you got a dog in this fight, so to speak. you guy haves to deal with this issue other candidate whose are out there not named donald trump have to deal with and i wonder if you take lessons from lindsey graham. lindsey graham is one of the worst critics of trump in the republican field. trump is saying look, he didn't get any traction out of that and kept in the main debate. land palm, the early polling evidence we've seen since the debate shows rand paul is dropping. he stood up to donald trump and stood up to the guy he calls the bully in the debate and dropped it appears since the debate. is there a lesson for candidates what happens when you go after trump right now? >> we're helping hillary clinton and writing ads for them by our behavior, people are willing to be adults in the room and say quit it, stop it now. no more of this. and whether it's the party, i think it could also be the other candidates, i know a number of

candidates you had mentioned one, rick santorum and others have come out and said enough is enough. we have to stop this and get focused on beating hillary clinton instead of beating ourselves and called for an end to the personal attacks. it's got to stop. it's got to stop now. >> you say it's got to stop. which way? it looked like in that debate, trump on thursday night trump took a step back and had the chance to repeat stuff he said about jeb bush. all he would say is i have a lot of respect for jeb bush or something along those lines. besides the megyn kelly incident, he wasn't going african daafter those candidates. >> he's also attacking a lot of other people. the problem is he's taking time away from other candidates who have things to say. i'm not just talking to trump. chris christie rand paul exchange was probably not real helpful, either. you have katy on. her candidate last time, mitt romney and rick santorum did 20 debates together and massive

differences. they were always done respect l respectful. when rick santorum's daughter got ill the first call i got was from katy asking how is she? where is the respect for one another because we're the same party and if we're not going to be, we will not win in 2016. >> katy, let me ask you. it's interesting, dave and "the washington post" was looking at the comments from pre vevis sayg they are trying to kill him with kindness. he's all over tmap. one day he's saying jeb bush couldn't negotiate his way out of a paper bag and saying he's a great guy. the idea being if you say just a few nice things about trump, you can make all the difference in terms of what he fires back with. >> well, i mean, borrow a line from mitt romneyromney, this ai bean bag. i don't think it's preevis' job to say a candidate can or cannot

be involved in a debate. trump is a legitimate candidate that has support from a corner, small corner of the republican party and he has a right to be there. it's the job of the other candidates to put a message forward that won't start to overshadow that and that will happen. trump is sort of capped out of the 20% area. his support hasn't grown since the debate. you know, some other candidates are diminished, i don't think because they tangled with trump but because other candidates stepped into the spotlight and have soaked up some of the spotlight. you've seen ben carson and carly step up and that's come from somewhere. i don't think trump took support from anybody else. his support is stagnant but there is a core of people that will stick with him no matter how obnoxious and bullying he is but not enough to win the republican name noiomination. >> interesting point. you say he hasn't broken past 20, 25%. none of the others have gotten close to that.

he's ahead of anybody else individually and some look at the polls and see ted cruz there in second place or ben carson in third place and they would say look at the sort of extreme rhetoric that ted cruz put out or ben carson. what is to say those voters wouldn't turn to donald trump if they i don't have those options? >> i think we see that. they asked question who would your second choice be and the reality is the more reasonable voters within the party are divided among 16, 15 candidates and so of course, it's largely d diffused. at some point it will come down the a couple candidates and trump won't get a majority of republican voters at the end. we're spending an awful lot of time talking about a guy that will not be the republican nomine and to john's point, we're missing opportunities to talk about hillary clinton and some real problems she has to confront. >> john, what's your advise to the candidate. you're watch thing guy take

control of the debate and saying things about megyn kelly and others. what's your advice to the candidate? >> first of all, any candidates, my client or anybody else, first of all, focus on your race. i mean, a year ago or i'm sorry, four years ago, the main characters at this point high in the polls were tim pawlenty, herman cane, michele bachmann and mitt romney. romney made it past iowa and further, obviously and became the nominee. two of those didn't get to iowa and one didn't get past iowa. it's extremely fluid. the other thing i would say, stop fearing donald trump and discuss with him on issues. i hear nobody debating about his ridiculous answer on health care last week and we should be engaging him more on issues and less on the sort of entertainment sides. >> all right. john, katy, appreciate you both joining us. up next, we'll go to ferguson, missouri where violence broke outen the anniversary of michael brown's death. this is "hardball" a place for politics.

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welcome back to "hardball." nerves are fraud in ferguson after the one-year anniversary of the killing of michael brown. last night in ferguson, police say two rival criminal groups started firing at one another. police shot and wounded one man who remains hospitalize in critical condition. >> there is a small group of people out there that are intent on making sure that we don't have peace that prevails. i don't know how else to say that. >> attorney general loretta lynch condemned the shootings tweeting violence obscures any message and places the community as well as officers who seek to protect it in harm's way. earlier today, moral monday protesters breached police barriers in acts of civil disocbedience in st. louis.

the state state of emergency is declared in the city. let me start with i remember last year around this time, i'd be sitting in on this show and look aing ahead what to expect. the worrisome time, what is the expectation for tonight when the sun goes down out there in terms of what will happen? >> reporter: people are on edge. you don't have to worry about the daytime as much as nighttime and people really are expecting anything. last night, really was the protests were lulling police officers were kind of getting ready to go home. i was walking back to my car and out of nowhere, we heard gunshots. people have no idea what to expect but i as a reporter think we should be cautious because

when sun comes down, those people that chief was talking about, these people not there for peace come out. >> yeah, you mentioned last night we're looking at footage there and you were on the ground last night and took footage. let's take a look. you took this moments after the gunfire erupted. >> get out of here! move! now! >> get into your car. >> go, go, go! >> no protection out here. get behind the cars. >> go, you are not going out on this street out here tonight. baby, go. >> yeah, i wonder if you can describe the scene and what you witnessed last night. there are protesters out there. then there are people that have nothing to do with the protesters. what is the balance like between the groups and interaction? did you notice? >> i witnessed really more protesters, more peaceful people but the people in small numbers that maybe are ten to 15 people

at most against maybe 100 to 200 people there peacefully, the small number of people, 15 people, once they have an agenda for violence, i saw people just start shooting. i doesn't see the gunshots but really what i heard is i really heard the gunshots. i really saw a terrified scene. i've never seen police officers running behind vehicles telling everybody to duck down. they are usually giving people advice, get out of the street but in this case, really everyone was terrified and the last end of that video i really heard one of the protesters telling me, you need to get out of the way because after awhile, i didn't really realize the gunshots were just feet away from me. so really, what i saw was just almost chaos after those gunshots were heard and it was a long period of time. felt like 50 gunshots feels like forever. i feel like i ducked down and heard gunshots and let me see what to report and low and behold, more gunshots.

it was really terrifying last night. >> thank you and stay safe tonight. >> reporter: thanks. up next, donald trurp is big on talk but short on specifics. can he continue the streak without offering specific policy positions? you're watching "hardball" a place for politics. when a moment spontaneously turns romantic, why pause to take a pill? and why stop what you're doing to find a bathroom?

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from lthe disease in new york hs risen. now back to "hardball." welcome back to "hardball." donald trump continues to sit at the top of the polls but feels the heat facing scrutiny for waivering on or not taking positions on important public policy matter. "the new york times" said mr. trump's positions have an air shifting in specifics as he seems to dream them up or reconsider them on the fly and out loud in three speeches or shoot from the hip interviews. flip-flopping and inconsistencies all of which might hobble a conventional candidate have not dimmed his

appeal. this morning on "the today show" he was asked about policy but savannah guthrie. >> you have actually been criticized for being more bluster than detailed if you look on your website and i did so this morning, there aren't any details specifics or policy paper you might see on another candidate's website. i read you're like uncle george to say you have the solutions to the problems but no specifics. >> you know what, i'll tell you what, savannah, they had 24 million people watching, the largest in the history of fox and the largest in all of cable television history. 24 million people. if i wasn't on the show, they would have had 2illion people watching and probably wouldn't have had that many. you know, other candidates are lucky because at least people are watching as opposed to nobody care. >> mika tried to nail trump down. >> how would you approach equal pay and helping more women get

access to capital which they struggle with? >> okay, let me tell you, this is the kind of question i should have been asked. with me, mika, i would be the best for women. the best for women's issues. >> the question is about equal pay. republicans repeatedly voted against it. how would you get equal pay passed and enforce it capital for women? >> look, as far as questions like that, mika, i'm not going to do it on the show. i want to discuss those questions at a debate and save them for a debate but all i can say on women's issues and health issues, there will be nobody better than donald trump but i'll come out with policy on that and make on the future. i just don't want to discuss it now. >> time for the "hardball" round table. mike system a special correspondent with the "daily beast" and president of bernard center and a republican strategist. john, let me start with you talking about your party. that 20 to 25% supporting trump

in the polls, i get the impression they are not too concerned or hung up with the policy issues right now. i guess my question is you look at the rest of the party, 70, 75% of it, is the rest of the party different or can he appeal to them without saying anything of substance? >> that's a good question. donald trump is a serious threat to the conservative movement that are flocking to him even though they can't stand and said inconsistency of minds and for donald trump, his mind is so big and great and smart and he keeps telling us he goes well beyond policy. this is a cult of personality, not policy. >> there is value to that, i think in politics michael. think of richard nixon back in 1968 with his plan to end the vietnam war. he would tell everybody he had the plan. wouldn't tell them what the plan

was or think of eisenhower running at the end of the korean war. he would go visit but wouldn't tell you what he was going to do but people liked the idea of eisenhower ending the career and richard nixon ending the war. seems like a lot of voters out there don't care about the specifics but like the idea of trump being there to deal with the problems. >> trump is selling himself, steve. he's not selling any particular set of policies. he's saying when he is asked about policy, he said we need a tough person in there. we need a negotiator in there and get rings runaround us by china and opec. we need a negotiator and businessman in there and that's what is appealing to people. interesting point here, he did write a policy book in 2011. i actually read it. and it's apparently being reissued. he's got policies in there. they are kind of from my point of view the same old republican policies, cut taxes much lower tax rates, three tax brackets,

raise the retirement age and so on. he has them. maybe he's just forgotten them. he better go reread the book, whoever wrote it. >> he said more specifics are coming soon. meanwhile, conservative amy holms said trump's appearance on "morning joe" was a missed opportunity for him. >> i thought it was amazing this morning after 72 hours of being pummeled for his remarks regarding women, megyn kelly and others, that when he's finally given the opportunity to address women's issues in a subtantive policy driven way he said i'll talk about it later. >> michelle bernard, i'm not surprised fwha and sby that. i'm getting the sense in the republican primary, your position on the fair pay act or next step to combat pay equity legislatively, i'm not sure that matters much in the republican primary, am i wrong? >> i think it will matter.

i think what happened this morning, i want to take a step back and reiterate what amy holms said because if you think even more from a women's perspective or a father's or husband's what trump said to mika. when i heard him utter i will be better for women than anybody else, all i could think is how? when you call women who you find unattractive pigs and dogs and ugly. are you going to be married to more attractive or more helpful if you get married again. how on earth are you going to be an attractive candidate for women? it is going to matter in the republican party because donald trump has put the republican party in a position now where they are going to have to explain the party's stance on issues for example like planned parenthood. on abortion, on the violence against women act on equal pay for women. we had in 2012 a wisconsin state senator who said and i'm

paraphrasing here but said something in talking about wisconsin's fair pay act that one could arguably say that money is more important to men than it is in women. well, thank you donald trump because comments like that will come back to hunt the republican party in 2016 and every single person who is running for their party's nomination is going to have to explain how this is the party of women. >> but let me -- in term ts of e immediate goal, winning the that republican nomination and primaries, what is the price that he is going to pay for the past positions he's taken that are at odds with consecutives and in the debate saying that single payer worked well in scotland and one other country for favoring i think a wind fall tax on the wealthy in 1999 saying he was pro-choice before. are those things he can wash away by saying hey, i don't believe them or is there a price to be paid for that? >> well, see, that's a great question and i think that's the question that the conservative

movement that seems to care so much about these issues has to ask itself. do they prefer donald trump's? they are republican issues or care about the actual issues themselves and the conservative movement has to rise up and say donald trump cannot be our guy because he does not share positions. >> the round table is sticking with us and up next, the white house takes on chuck schumer after the democratic senator announces he won't support the iran deal. this is "hardball" a place for politics. aw. aw. ♪ thirsty? they said it would make me cool. they don't sound cool to me. guess not. you got to stick up for yourself, like with the name your price tool. people tell us their budget, not the other way around. aren't you lactose intolerant? this isn't lactose. it's milk.

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this was one of the most difficult decisions that i had to make. i will support the motion of disapproval against this agreement. i believe we should go back and try to get a better deal. the deal has too many flaws to support and, therefore, i must oppose it. >> we are back. it was a new york senator chuck schumer earlier today speaking for the first time about his opposition to the iran nuclear deem. since coming out against that deal, schumer's relationship with the white house has deteriorated. at war over iran. president obama's former chief strategist david axelrod tweeting facts are facts and politics is politics. schumer made a digs based on politics, not fact. he is the all replacement to harry reid in the senate. but on friday white house pretty

secretary suggested that could be in jeopardy as a result of this decision. >> this is a question for democratic senators and this is a vote that they will cast in early 2017, but i certainly wouldn't be surprised if there are individual members of the senate democratic caucus that will consider the voting record of those who say they would like to leave the caucus. >> politico also reported schumers can't believe the white house leaked on thursday night he was going to vote against the deem him schumer addressed that today as well. >> i talked to the white house thursday evening. it somehow looked out thursday night. but i made it public. my intention was to make it public friday. >> back now with the round table, michael, let me start with you. you can call me really cynical on this one. i always think you can be against something or you can be really against something. i'm looking at schumer's play

right here. i'm seeing peer politics. he waited a long time to come out and say it. an he's doing it in a sort of wishy washy way. he's not there saying this is envelope chamberlain all over. none of that heated rhetoric. he's fought doing anything that will really sink this deal. >> i don't think that's particularly cynical, steve. i think that's just politics. we know how politics works. a lot of times in a legislative body a legislator will cast a vote, will not feel, you know, not absolutely crushed if the vote goes the other way, let's just put it that way. but i do think that, you know, it's an interesting question how many votes skuykill u chuck schumer is going to influence here. i have been talking to senators and senate aides over the last few days about this question. i have been getting very different answers. but this is one now you said call me cynical. call me polyannish. i think this is one of those cases where life will be like the movies and senators will,

for the most part, vote their conscience on this. >> so, michelle, what about that backlash the white house, you are obviously fought happy this is the position you landed on. schumer is right now, has those votes to be the next democratic leader in the senate. there is some grumbling, you can't oppose the white house on something like this. it wouldn't take, though, schumer actually killing this deal or being credited with killing this deal, to seriously threaten his position as democratic leader s. >> i don't know if it's this vote in particular that could threaten it. but the fact that they even raised it or even gave hint of a possibility, to me says that there is a lot more going on in the cauldron and anything is possible. is he going to get elected as the next senate majority leader? probably. but i will be very interested, particularly going into a 2016 election with hillary clinton at the top of the democratic ticket if we don't start to see a lot more talk about patty murray or elizabeth warren as the real

quote/unquote progressives in the senate that are for the most part either supportive of the president's policies or are the real progressives in the party and people questioning whether or not it is time for a democratic woman to lead the senate. >> you got to keep in mind, too, okay, chuck schumer recruited so many of those senators now who ran in 2006, 2008, even since then, been very close to them. he's developed a lot of relationships there. probably something he can fall back on a situation like this. >> absolutely. >> i have been hearing mike schumer, huckabee saying nice things about chuck schumer, the divisions are actually on the democratic side. >> well, it validates the republican perspective that this is a bad deal. i think that helps republicans as they make their targets is not a purely partisan ploy to counter the president. but they really strongly disagree with this whole deal and i think that chuck schumer

is going to be fine in running, keep in mind chuck schumer is a long-timer, president obama is a short-timer. for josh to get himself involved in that is kind of crazy. chuck schumer raised a lot of money for a lot of other candidates. he's the dell-maker. ultimately, he will make a good minority leader, i want to emphasize a minority leader. >> let me ask you, quickly, january, 2017, is chuck schumer the democratic leader in the senate? >> as things stand now i think so, yeah. >> michelle bernardi do you agree? >> i agree, i think there will be a fight to get there. >> we appreciate you all being with us. we'll be right back. . imagine - she won't have to remember passwords.

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