>> do you think during this campaign there have been sometimes where you feel you have gone over the top? >> i have what? >> gone over the top. >> i don't think so at all. when you talk the debate that came out of one of the networks today, so there should have been 2 million people watching. you agree? about 2 million. that's been sort of standard. 2 million people. they had 24 million people and 24 is going to go to 28 or 29 and maybe even 30 when the final numbers come in. who do you think they're watching? jeb bush? i don't think so. >> well, there is that. there is that. that was donald trump in michigan yesterday. we'll have much more of that. there's a ton of other news going on as well especially in politics. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set, we have msnbc

contributor mike barnicle, managing editor of bloomberg politics mark halperin, nicole wallace and in washington former chairman of the republican national committee michael steele. good to have you all onboard. nicole, good to see you. i don't know what i was reading here but i always felt you knew more about the kardashians than me. i always felt that. >> you were the only one i knew more than but it was not enough to save me but it made me feel better about myself when i walked into work. >> i can be almost the worst unpop cultured person here. let's get to politics. a new poll out of new hampshire this morning shows bernie sanders leading hillary clinton for the first time. the franklin pierce university/boston herald poll, shows clinton trailing 44-37. is anybody surprised by this.

>> no. >> that was halperin. clinton and sanders have similar favorability ratings except with numbers with favorable impressions where sanders has stronger support. still, of these voters, 65% think clinton will ultimately win the democratic nomination. only 11% think sanders will. on the front page of "the washington post," bernie sanders surge in perspective. he has the biggest crowds of the race and it's not even close. he has spoken to a combined 100,000 people in recent days. let's put it more into perspective. there's a couple different wild cards involved including if joe biden decides to jump in, mark halperin. what do you make of these numbers? are they anything worth talking about? >> no one is laying a glove on the guy within the context of media. in presidential politics if you control your public image, you're doing well.

he controls his public image. he has big crowds, him delivering his message and no scandal, no controversy, no opposition research aimed against him. he's a perfect fit for the electorate in iowa and more in new hampshire and she's still having some problems creating excitement. >> from what you're seeing, nicole wallace, is it people protesting or people who actually vote after going to listen to him? a difference, right? >> yeah. i think they're as animated by him and his performance as trump supporters are by trump. i think it's interesting when you see her agreeing to turn over her server has more to do with poll numbers plunging among the democratic base than with her waking up to the revelation that we have a right to see what was on it. i think as typical of the clintons over the last three decades, even their actions that we would perhaps have heralded as progress are poll driven. >> well, you asked the question

about e-mails, this morning clinton's campaign says she'll turn over the e-mail server she used while secretary of state. let's just back up a little bit. why wasn't she turning it over before? >> the justice department and fbi investigation is just under way. the campaign is trying to claim credit for handing it over. i suspect if they hadn't offered it up it would have been subpoenaed and it's a dangerous new development for her because now the justice department will look at the server, they'll look at what was destroyed, they'll look at whether she turned over everything she says she turned over. there's a lot of questions now that if the fbi pursues, could put her in political danger and potentially legal danger. >> for months there was resistance in handing over the server. a lawyer argued there was no basis supporting a third-party review. they were pushing back a little bit. the former secretary of state said in march she exchanged about 60,000 e-mails, half of which were personal and were discarded. the others were turned over to the state department for review

and release. and now the inspector general for the intelligence community reportedly told senior members of congress some of the messages are more sensitive than previously reported. two of four e-mails flagged so far are classified top secret. state department officials say they are still determining whether they agree the two were classified at the time they were sent. senator chuck grassley has called for the inspectors in the case to look into staff's use of the server and four top aides have turned over records including copies of work e-mails on personal accounts and this is something we've been wondering about for a while. the initial reaction i remember always being is it doesn't matter. they don't matter. e-mails don't matter. whose e-mails are they? >> it's not for the clinton campaign to decide. that's what we'll find out. anita, you were the first to report about sensitive classified status of those

e-mails. anita, good to have you with us this morning. let's flesh out your reporting more. how serious could this be for hillary clinton based on what you found? >> there are several investigations into her conduct, not into her but use of personal e-mail and personal server. she's facing an fbi investigation and investigations on capitol hill and yesterday we heard from the inspector general of the state department saying that he's now looking into her aides use of personal e-mail. >> what exactly is hillary clinton's campaign turning over at this point? >> they're turning over two things. it's voluntary at this point. they've been asked by the house committee looking into the benghazi attacks in 2012 to turn over her server. she's not done it for months and yesterday they announced late in the day they'll turn that over to the justice department. as of this morning, they have not done so yet. yesterday they did turn over a thumb drive that had e-mails, her e-mails on it, that her attorney had been holding onto.

>> there's a question of what is even on these servers. all of the reporting was that it was wiped clean by hillary clinton. do we have any sense of what they'll find when they look at these servers? >> technology experts differ on that. it's unclear how she did that and what they would find. many people think that you can't really wipe it clean, that there would be evidence still there, that e-mails would still be there. >> all right. thank you so much. what can you get out of a scrubbed server? can you retrieve deleted e-mails? is scrubbing different? >> politically it's a no win situation for her. if they recover the information from that, the e-mails, the 30,000 personal ones, i think there's almost certainly the case that someone will find something on there that should have been turned over and that would be a problem for her. if it's been fully deleted and permanently erased which with any technology is hard to do, people will say, wow, why did hillary clinton go to such

lengths to permanently delete these e-mails and the question will linger forever, what was on there? >> i think the discovery of two now classified e-mails will raise questions among the public how is this different from what general david petraeus was found to have done with his classified material? >> his was marked classified. hers was not. >> a secretary of state should know the difference. again, i think that this cumulative sort of string of dishonesty and of changing their answers and of depending on what meaning of this is and meaning of classified is, mine wasn't stamped, they are down a rabbit hole of squandering whatever is left of the general public's trust. >> people bring up the petraeus comparison. he took stuff clearly marked classified and gave it to someone who wasn't authorized to have it. >> good luck explaining that to the public. classified information on her home server. they hear classified intel.

>> you went to the event with secretary kerry yesterday which we'll get to later. incredible comments that he made pertaining to the iran deal, which we'll talk about. can you imagine a scenario where he leaves office and there's a whole area scrubbed, private server being used and does that comply with obama administration policy? >> well, i have to assume that the incumbent secretary of state is well aware of the issues involving the former secretary of state and all of the e-mails that are above board in terms of -- >> they're under the same rules that hillary clinton was under. >> but hillary clinton's issues certainly involves the e-mails. in the larger sense, it involves what it regurgitates within the voting public about the clintons. there's always something there with them. and you twin it with bernie

sanders crowds and hillary clinton it's quite obvious thus far her candidacy, too much of it, has been about the past. elections are about the future. that's why people go to see bernie sanders. he's talking about issues that are current today and talking about the future involving those issues. >> it's hopeful. >> hillary clinton stands up and first question is going to be what about the e-mails? >> the clinton campaign tried to swat this story away as partisan. now if you have the fbi, the justice department, the inspector general -- >> obama appointees. >> i have to say that feels condescending. >> the public understands the situation where something says top secret on it and you had it on a personal server in your home and why? the rationale for why has never been convincing to most people. it was easier. it was more convenient. that doesn't fly. >> how is sitting in a hospital room in fairfax hospital with a family member for hours over the weekend and of course you end up

talking politics. once we finished talking about trump and that well was dry, that was the second thing. cardiologist came up to me, nurse came up to me, we don't get it with the e-mails. what's wrong? it's out there. it's not just in here. >> it's a problem of her own making. >> yeah. yeah. okay. you know who she has to thank right now? she ought to send them flowers. since she went to the wedding, another gift. donald trump was in michigan yesterday to keynote a republican dinner. he got a standing ovation when he demanded a wall be built on the mexican border. trump had an even tougher set of words for jeb bush about recent murders allegedly committed by undocumented immigrants. >> you know, jeb bush, one of my opponents, he's gone to my friends, many of my friends, and he's raised $114 million.

but just remember one thing. they'll make commercials. they'll build him up like he's wonderful. remember coming in as an illegal is an act of love, remember that line? an act of love. tell that to some of the families that it was an act of love. tell them to some of the families that are devastated that that was an act of love. she'll make a great first lady. she's got a great heart. she cares more about those women issues that bush doesn't care about. she cares more about that. you know, he was so nice to me at the debate. by the way, they say i won the debate. polls came out and said i won. and boy, did i have nasty questions. i stood up there and said i

don't believe some of those questions. rosie o'donnell saved me. this is one time she saved me. i never thought i would be giving credit to rosie but in this case she was great. these stiffs, these politicians, they're stiffs. you know what a stiff is? a stiff is a person -- i see wealthy people in the front row. a stiff is a person you will not hire. that's what a stiff is. these stiffs they say, isn't it horrible trump says about the wall. >> i'm watching the table watch trump. one word. one word. halperin. >> seems like a state of the union speech to me. >> nicole, one word. >> hideous. >> willie? >> mesmerizing. >> barnicle? >> showmanship. a new poll of likely 2016 iowa caucus goers shows donald trump with a five-point lead over wisconsin governor scott walker. previous front runner senator

marco rubio and ben carson rank high after the debate. 62% of those polled watched last week's prime time republican debate and of those viewers found rubio and carson the most impressive. just 11% said that about donald trump. asked how they felt about trump after last week's debate, over half said they were less comfortable with candidacy for president and in new hampshire, trump is down from double digit leads of last month but still five points ahead of jeb bush with ohio governor john kasich surging into a close third place at 12%. we need to get to the kasich story before this block is over. michael steele, take it away. what do you make of those numbers? >> it just tells you there was a slight hit to trump in terms of his performance but he has that gravitational pull. i listen to the numbers and seeing folks say that they're 55% more uncomfortable and yet he's still leading and still

someone that they're gravitated towards. he's got this amazing mix of where you don't know if you want to go in or out. as long as he's able to do that, he'll stay where he is. i've said before the only way trump goes down is if he takes himself down. i don't know how he does that at this point. there have been so many amazing gotcha moments that he's created for himself and still survived. i think we're going to ride this into simi valley in a few weeks. he'll be on the stage in the second debate and you'll have a new player that has moved up, john kasich, you want to talk about him and you'll see interesting dynamics there but interesting thing for me and i'll be curious to see what mark halperin thinks about this is how trump is actually trying to depress jeb bush. i think trump still sees jeb bush as his biggest obstacle to securing and holding onto this

first place because of that $114 million, because of the ability to unleash a bevy of negative ads. his efforts have been to push him down into the middle of the pack a lot more than i think people believe is possible. >> trump -- the kinder, gentler trump from the speech in the press conference, he excluded jeb bush from kinder gentler. he went after jeb bush hard in the press conference. jeb, as you said, sitting on all that money. jeb comes after him or super pac comes at him after jeb and jeb is going most aggressively after trump in the last few days. this is -- michael, you are exactly right. a huge theme going on right now. a subplot of trump versus jeb. jeb doesn't want to tangle with trump at all. he wants to tangle with hillary. if trump keeps coming after him, it will be difficult.

the biggest question in republican politics right now is which entity will go on television with paid media trying to destroy donald trump? >> michael, tell me about john kasich. you can see if you go to new hampshire that he's got great storefront appeal if you will. >> look at that. >> how does he play out in this field? >> i think he plays out amazingly well. i thought for a long time that he brings a dynamic to the table that's going to be hard to overcome. he's grassroots. he's blue collar. he has cachet with the base. some in the base are not happy with his taking of medicaid funding, but he has been able to create a narrative and a story. the success in his state through what he's done there. his time in congress. his time on television. he knows how to work the media, if you will. so he brings a very strong

dynamic into this race and now that he's up at the big table working against the jeb bushes, the trumps and others, you're going to see i think a lot of sparks fly with him. he's so down to earth and people just automatically relate to what he has to say and as a number of my african-american friends and on the democratic side said, i'm looking at him very closely. i'm comparing him to hillary, this is a tough choice for me. that's an interesting space right now for john kasich. >> it's interesting, too, if you look at those tollpolls, voters the same reaction to debates on friday which is john kasich is up and carly fiorina is up on polls. >> kasich got endorsement last night from one of the most important operatives in new hampshire. that's big. trump never attacked him. he's the only republican who trump never attacked.

let's see if that changes and kasich will pass jeb in new hampshire soon in the polls and maybe even trump. >> i think part of the reason is kasich is able to adapt his message to embrace conservative themes and the modern reality, which i think has been the axle around which most republicans have been tripped up. one of the boast moments in the debate was his answer about same-sex marriage. you see the rest of them longing for and pining for the past and not acknowledging the new legal reality in this country. >> how to get his campaign message to push through the noise. and did i mention that bernie sanders got the vote of the nurses union? that's significant, right? >> it is. they're an important union but it shows that democratic establishment, hillary would like them all choosing people are going with their heart and if people go with their heart,

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>> wow. we'll talk. let's take a look at the morning papers. 23 past the hour. from usa today, iraqi forces appear to be on the verge of a major victory against islamic state militants. a senior official with the u.s.-led coalition says troops are preparing for a final assault to retake ramadi. isis seized control of ramadi, the capital of anbar province back in may. here at home a couple from

mississippi is being held without bail after allegedly trying to join -- can you believe this story? >> incredible. >> trying to join isis. officials say they were arrested on the way to the airport and planned to pose as newlyweds on a honeymoon to get into syria through turkey. >> another unbelievable story from "the new york times," an investigative report details a campaign of retribution of prisons at the clinton correctional facility. one inmate, patrick alexander, said he was beaten with his head slammed against the wall just hours after richard matt and david sweat were discovered missing and was threatened with wat wat waterboarding during an interrogation and he was confronted by andrew cuomo during his visit to the prison and cuomo asked alexander, must have kept you awake with all that cutting and governor gave his best tough guy stare and

walked off. "times" writes that inmates describe a similar catalog of abuses including being beaten while handcuffed, choked and slammed against cell walls and bars. more than 60 inmates filed complaints. the new york state department of corrections says the allegations have been under investigation for several weeks and have also been referred to the state inspector general adding in a statement "any findings of misconduct or abuse against inmates will be punished to the full extent of the law." >> troubling to beat inmates because they didn't do their job, right? >> yes. >> because the guards didn't do their job. >> the durango herald, optimistic that a river accidentally contaminated with mining waste last week could soon be reopened. visiting a fish hatchery along

the river yesterday, hickenlooper said toxicity levels are returning to normal. he stressed that frequent testing will continue. back in washington, that agency's administrator apologized and took full responsibility for the cleanup. what a mess. >> hard to believe that's getting back to normal. there's arsenic in four different states of that river. he wants to be president but only temporarily. harvard law professor says he'll handoff to the keys to the white house an soon as his agenda becomes law. that's next on "morning joe."

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30 past the hour. joining us now, harvard law professor and potentially 2016 presidential candidate, you may jump in to make a point, right? >> to make a point familiar on this show that the system is rigged. you guys pulled the curtain back with donald trump explaining how money does everything in politics and drives politicians to do everything. it was 20 years ago that a young congressman, joe scarborough, you heard of him, explains across the board "money changed votes." explaining his experience in congress. this is a problem everybody

gets. every issue is tied to this issue. you won't get limits on guns until you fix this issue. you won't get climate change until you deal with this issue. you'll get nothing done that democrats are talking about until we deal with this issue. what i'm talking about is how do we actually have a way to deal with this issue? what's the plan? we can rage in fury about this but what can we do and how can we fix it? >> i would think there would be one candidate that you perhaps find more attractive than the others and that would be bernie sanders? >> right. bernie is checking off the right boxes. he's saying the right things. the question is will he have a mandate if he doesn't make this the issue he promises to deal with first. unless you say you're going to fix this first, everything else is not credible. you can say you'll take on wall street. >> how do you fix it? >> so what i've said i would do is i would run a campaign on one issue. this issue of fixing this corrupted system that we know is making it impossible for anything else to get done.

and that would produce a mandate. it would be just this mandate on this one issue. and i would serve only as long as it took to pass this fundamental reform that we've described on our website that would fix this one issue and then i would step aside. >> how would you change -- this is now governed by the supreme court decision citizens united so how would you pass a law that would past muster with the supreme court. >> you can't limit reforms that are now being pushed are not about limiting but increasing and spreading out funder. it's not 400 families giving half the money inside the elections. it's spread out through small dollar bottom up funding. i support vouchers, giving every voter a voucher. this is a republican idea. give every voter a voucher. and they give those vouchers to candidates who agree to fund their campaigns with small dollars only. small dollars and small contributions. this would radically change the way that candidates raise money.

and this change is perfectly constitutional under the supreme court's jurisprudence so we could have a mandate under stronger mandates. we could have a mandate that has a chance to stand up to the most powerful influence against this kind of reform. >> one of the ideas we heard many times on this set over the years is to have no limits on campaign money but make it transparent so you know on a website who is giving to whom and how much. what do you make of that idea? >> instead of having 400 families, we would have 40 families. the natural trend as you remove limits is to increase the size of the contribution. great. we would know 40 families. we already know 40 families. the problem isn't that we're confused about whether big money is controlling politics. the problem is big money is controlling politics. we have to give people a sense, a reason to believe that their government is responsive to them. right now at the front of the line are the 400 families

funding these campaigns. those are the people at the front. they get their calls answered. you had joe get the donald trump to explain this perfectly. i don't have to say any of that. this change that i'm talking about would make it so they're just one in the line like everybody has the influence because we spread out the funder influence to everybody. this is a corruption we've got to find a way to change. >> michael steele has a question for you. >> professor, i appreciate the idea but part of what i think is missing in your analysis here is that the problem in my estimation having seen it from the inside which is not 400 families that can write a big check. certainly in the hay day of citizens united. it's the process after you get elected. it's the k street influence on policy. you're talking about a point in time with an election -- once the election is over, governing

is where things get screwed up. that's where money has its greatest influence. how do you propose addressing that? the election is one thing. after you're done, it's the next two years or four years where the problem lies. >> you're right. as jim cooper, congressman from tennessee puts it. the problem with capitol hill is that capitol hill has become a farm league for k street. members and staffers and bureaucrats have increasingly business model focused on how they become lobbyists. why are lobbyists so powerful? they are one of the channels through which money gets into the system and congressmen have to return their favors if they're going to be able to get money into the system. if you change the way we fund campaigns, lobbies don't disappear. they shouldn't disappear. they're important to explain to the government what's happening. if you change the way you fund campaigns, they don't begin to have the power they have anymore. there's all the difference in the world between a lawyer making an argument to a jury and a lawyer handing out hundred

dollar bills to the jurors. but our lobbying system doesn't understand that difference. those guys are handing out hundred dollar bills. >> mark halperin has a question. >> i appreciate your passion for this issue. i wonder whether you think hillary clinton who made campaign finance reform and some issues you're talking about one of her big four of what she's running on has moral authority and the intellectual power and commitment to be the one who can actually carry out the kind of changes you want. >> certainly not yet. nowhere close. what she's talking about and four pillars is an amendment to the constitution. it takes two-thirds of congress to proposal an amendment and three-fourths of the state to pass it. people are calling me crazy. who in this picture is crazy? me or someone who is talking about getting two-thirds of congress to proposal such amendment? >> let's think about this. i think it might be the person proposing that. >> i was going to ask you quick, if elected, you would have a short run to get these passed and you would turn it over to

your vice president. who is the ideal vice president who carries these ideas? >> i have a list. it's my preferences. ultimately it's the democratic convention that would do it. in my view, it is someone that rallies the democratic base and someone doing that powerfully now are people like bernie and elizabeth warren and people that get basic enoue excited enough up and vote. how do we win to create a mandate to stand up to this money influence and have a chance of winning. >> and not hillary clinton? >> not yet. she's just begun to describe this. she's got a lot to explain. she comes from a different era. >> she has a record to speak for. not yet? what do you mean? >> i mean not yet has she described how would she create confidence. she hasn't created confidence yet. i wrote a piece where we're nowhere close. let her say what she would do. these are actual six things that would give us a reason to believe we could win. i ultimately have come to my

view -- this is why i'm running -- that none of them could win on this issue. none of them could win on this issue. never a mandate powerful enough in this partisan environment to win on this issue. we need to try something with a different optic to it. i'm running in the democratic primary. what i hope is that someone in the republican party does the same thing. i was hoping joe was here. >> we'll ask him. >> joe should dot sa the same t in the republican primary. >> that would be interesting. thank you very much for coming on the show this morning. fascinating discussion. on tomorrow's show, democratic presidential candidate martin o'malley will join us. up next, top brady saga made its way all of the way to federal court. what's in store for the patriots quarterback as he faces off against nfl commissioner roger goodell today in a manhattan

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>> first and foremost we went to an independent investigation the week following the afc championship game. all of that focus was put to ted wells at that point in time in supporting him and cooperating fully and making sure he had information that he had. there was no more discussion about any public discussion. it was ted wells' investigation. when the ownership instills in the commissioner and the collective bargaining unit the commissioner to protect the integrity of the game so those are important issues. that's my job.

it's my responsibility. >> that was nfl commissioner roger goodell speaking about the deflategate investigation that involves new england patriots quarterback tom brady. both goodell and brady will appear before a federal judge later here in new york. now you were asked in 19990 investigate allegations that pete rose placed bets on baseball and filed a landmark report. gentlemen, good to see you. i want to ask you how we got here. i remember when the story broke it was okay a story about a few deflated footballs and now it's taken on the tone of a federal investigation of a big trial. how did we get here? >> we have a misdemeanor equipment violation that's turned into a federal case.

and really it's an historic day in the history of american sports. you've never had an nfl commissioner and the golden boy of his sport in the same courtroom in front of a federal judge and now the federal judge has become the most powerful guy in all of pro football. >> two questions. one, i am now having trouble figuring out what is he being punished for? is he being punished for deflated footballs or not cooperating with the national football league during the course of an investigation. this is off of the nfl's rhetoric. we heard the commissioner talk about the wells report as an independent investigation yet in court filing last week they in essence said it was not an independent investigation. >> this whole thing is a mess. i've never understood what the violation was. there's no evidence that tom told anybody to deflate the football. and it's an issue where all teams were handling their own

footballs and each team had different officiating crews and different measurements. how you inject a standard into that is beyond me. but then the conflicts just keep occurring. first they told tom, look, we don't need the phones. just give us the records. we give records and commissioner bli bli bli bli blind-sides them. then the investigation wasn't independent. if it's not independent, it's not worthy of trust or belief. investigations in my experience have to have integrity and they have to have fairness. if they don't have that, they're not dependable for anyone. >> what is the deal with the charge itself? the nfl does not correct the initial thing, 11 out of 12 footballs that was reported initially. they never made a correction on

that. they never issued a correction on that. >> we've gone really beyond the facts of the case. unfortunately i don't think the facts in the case are going to be part of any of the hearing today or if it goes to august 19th. i think now what's at stake is the power of the commissioner's office. the nfl players association and tom brady have decided to take this to court and to try to get a penalty overturned and the bottom line is the judge must decide if the commissioner was right to be the final arbiter in this case which under the cba is the commission's right for nearly 40 years. whether the penalty was excessive and whether the law of the shop, the nfl pa's law of the shop in the cba between players and league was violated because tom brady did not have enough warning that he was going to get a suspension for an equipment violation. >> to answer your question, the answer is i don't know.

based on the record. i don't know. i don't know -- there just isn't any evidence that a violation occurred. i mean, it's all speculation. they didn't prove it. what's troubled me from the beginning is how long this all took. it occurred in the afc game. they were already investigating it. if i were the commissioner, i would have had that thing wrapped up in two days before the super bowl so there wouldn't be any issue on the footballs. they played the second half with properly inflated footballs according to the referees. patriots won the game. who got hurt? what happened here? that goes to this whole federal case business making something out of nothing. it really is nothing. i don't see any basis so waste all this time. what happens is when you start that process, then it becomes a gigantic mess because the

investigators cover his backside and now we have commissioner covering his backside. the federal judge has a big job here today. i tell you what, it's a different ballpark when you got a federal judge telling you i want an offer on the table because he's going to -- he's going to tell you in private what he thinks of your case. you're not going to like it. that's how he gets to -- >> judge berman has taken control of this case. i want settlement talks. they weren't going anywhere. he told them i want you in the robing room at 10:30 this morning prior to going into court so i can figure out where both sides are. now it's in the hands of the judge. if he's not satisfied in what he hears in that robing room, both sides won't get an outcome that they like. >> before we go, what is going on here? geno smith, jets quarterback, gets sucker punched in the jaw in the jets locker room out 6 to 10 weeks. the young linebacker that

punched him cut from the team. >> it's one of those things -- here's a guy that's got tremendous credibility around the national football league as a new jets head coach and you would think that this kind of thing would not happen under his watch. it would be more of a rex ryan thing than todd bowles thing. now it's ryan fitzpatrick, your harvard boy. >> any truth to the rumor you might know that geno smith attempted to punch back but his punch was intercepted? >> this was a big setup for that joke. a long road to get there. >> it's time to wrap. >> patriot nation is -- >> willie, wrap it. >> all right. we'll watch that hearing today. thanks so much. good to see you both. coming up, a political ad probably like nothing you've ever seen before. we'll show you what could be the most unique one of the year. keep it on "morning joe."

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welcome back to "morning joe." we have to show you the campaign ad of the season. this is incredible. wyatt scott. i'll let it speak for itself. >> i'm wyatt scott and i'm running for parliament.

i'm an independent candidate. i'm here to fight for canada. university is too damn expensive. >> thanks, mister. >> services like health care and social programs should be expanded, not cut. change is coming to canada and i'm here to lead that charge. are you ready for the shift? i am. >> nicole, you worked a lot of campaigns. how effective will that be? >> i actually lost interest halfway through. probably not so good. >> i think i oversold that one. wasn't that great. i have to give an endorsement. i saw "hamilton" last night and everyone said it's the greatest thing ever. it's the greatest thing ever. i've seen a lot of broadway. best show i've ever seen. best show i've ever seen. >> why is it so awesome?

>> story of the founding fathers with hamilton at the center of it. music is incredible. it's written by this one guy and they are rapping for 2 1/2 hours. it's so compelling. music is great. acting is good. go see hamilton. >> i have news as to why joe is not here. he was honored last night by the pensacola blue wahoos. first pitch. pretty good stroke. and they also did a joe scarborough bobblehead. look at that. with a mug. i like it. >> that's cute. >> that's quite a good rendition. >> and after his pitch, they won, which is very nice. his kids were there. it was a great night. apparently he was just mobbed. he was signing t-shirts --

what's that? you could have done it from the mound? >> he would have done it from the mound had willie and i been there. >> i'm surprised. >> is that a girl thing? >> it means you have trouble getting it to the plate. have you seen joe throw? he's got a good arm. >> i joe george bush when he did it, we made him go to the mound. >> he would go to the mound. >> it was important. >> they're doing it 30 for 30 on that pitch for espn right now for 9/11. >> okay. we need to have the bobblehead here. claire mccaskill asked for two. >> i would like one. >> you want one, fine. willie do you have a bobblehead? >> i do in my office. i can't remember where it's from. someone sent it to me. >> this is pensacola blue wahoos. check out the games. it's a great city. coming up at the top of the hour, hillary clinton says she's now ready to turn over her e-mail server. is it too late as news emerges

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according to an online poll, donald trump is still the front runner in the race.

it's the only race he hasn't offended yet. [ applause ] >> welcome back to "morning joe." it's the top of the hour. mike barnicle, nicole wallace and michael steele are still with us and joining the conversation former chairman of the national democratic committee, howard dean and in washington, editor of "the fix" at "the washington post," chris. good to have you onboard. we have a lot to get to including john kerry on iran. bernie sanders in the polls. hillary clinton with e-mails. jeb bush attacking hillary. we'll start with this show. donald trump was in michigan yesterday to keynote a republican dinner. are you shaking your head, howard? >> he never fails to amaze me. >> he stuck to his tough message

about immigration and got a standing ovation when he demanded a wall be built on the mexican border. trump had tougher words for jeb bush about recent murders allegedly committed by undocumented immigrants. >> you know, jeb bush, one of my opponen opponents, he's gone to my frien friends, many of my friends, and he's raised $114 million. they'll make commercials. they'll build him up like he's wonderful. coming in as an illegal is an act of love. remember that line? an act of love. tell that to some of the families it was an act of love. tell that to families that are devastated that it was an act of

love. she will make a great first lady. she cares more about women's issues. you know, he was so nice to me at the debate. they said i won the debate. is that nice? is that nice? right. the polls came out and said i won. and, boy, did i have nasty questions. i stood up there and said i don't believe this. some of those questions. rosie o'donnell saved me. this is one time she saved me. i never thought i would be giving credit to rosie but in this case she was great. >> belly laugh from howard dean. five seconds or less, describe what you just saw and your reaction to it. >> this is forget about it and plays to some segment in michigan. >> michael steele, same thing. >> amazing and consistent.

>> chris? >> trump doing trump. i mean he's got it down to a science. i'm amazed that science works but it does at the moment. >> let's look at some of the numbers. a new poll of likely 2016 republican iowa caucus goers shows donald trump with a five-point lead over wisconsin governor scott walker who had been the previous front runner. senator marco rubio and ben carson also doing really well after the debates. 62% of those polled watched the republican debate and viewers found rubio and carson the most impressive. 11% in this poll said that about that trump. asked how they felt about trump after last week's debate, more than half said they were now less comfortable with his candidacy for president. 23% said they are more comfortable. in new hampshire, trump is down a bit from his double digit leads of last month but five points ahead of jeb bush with ohio governor john kasich surging into a close third place

at 12%. ted cruz and carly fiorina doing well there. let's talk about those numbers. what jumps off the page at you? >> what jumps off the page is the fact that you have new folks that moved up and so you've got ben carson, you've got carly fiorina, john kasich, those three i think had the best outcome from last week's debate. they've moved into stronger positions. name i.d. is moving up. getting more money. that's all very good. the number for me is when you look at those top three, you're talking about almost 50% of the gop primary voters are supporting someone other than the establishment candidates. they are looking at people who are not elected officials. and that should really -- i still haven't figured out why folks inside the party have not really drilled down on that to understand what's really going

on here to begin to counterweight some of what trump is doing. trump is where he is because that frustration, that contempt, and anger that they have for the establishment and the leadership and the policies that they promulgated over the last 10, 15 years, is something palpable. they really need to begin to understand that to begin to chip away at trump's number. the second thing i would ask is what does trump say about the polls when he begins to slip? and he falls back into what a lot of folks will think is a more realistic number for him. >> when you look at those numbers, what does it tell you about the candidacies and what's happened to candidacies of cruz, paul, and to some extent marco rubio? >> i would separate paul out from cruz and rubio. i think paul is really struggling. his fund-raising numbers were very poor.

they seem to think -- his people seem to think he did okay with a limited amount of time he got during the debate last week. he got the least speaking time of any candidate on the stage. it just doesn't feel like there's a lot there. he tried to reach out to the establishment. the establishment didn't seem interested and it alienated his libertarian base. i would be most worried about him. to me cruz is trying to harvest on the political bones of rand paul saying he talks about fourth amendment now. he's really trying to co-op that rand paul support. rubio is talented. he's far less known than a jeb bush or donald trump. he'll be fine. he's got money to get known. he's got the talent to continue to stand out in the poll that showed people thought he won the debate. >> i think kasich is the one to watch. we're going to have more on him coming up.

>> he has some risk of being the jon huntsman because he's by far the most centrist on that platform. >> he did expand medicaid in ohio which was a smart thing to do financially. he's an appealing candidate for a democrat. >> they already clashed over women's health and education and now jeb bush and hillary clinton are trading criticism over the rise of isis in iraq and syria. speaking at the reagan library in california, bush called for a no-fly zone in syria and warned that more u.s. troops may be needed in iraq, but he did not hold back when he said the former secretary of state and president obama are to blame for letting isis "spread like a pandemic." >> while the united states disengaged from the middle east and ignored the threat and where was the secretary of state? where was secretary of state clinton in all of this?

like the president himself, she had opposed the surge, then joined and claimed credit for its success, then stood by as that victory by allied forces was thrown away and all of her record setting travels she stopped by iraq exactly once. who can seriously argue that america and our friends are safer today than in 2009 when the president and secretary clinton, the storied team of rivals, took office. so eager to be the history makers they failed to be the peacemakers. at the moment, too many in syria doubt they can count on us which explains why recruiting and training have basically come to nothing. we've spent a half a billion dollars on a program that's gotten us 54 recruits. when that happens, you know that the plan is not working out really well. [ applause ]

i'm tempted to be reminded of healthcare.gov. it cost more and got the same result, the website. just saying. >> a spokesman for clinton's campaign accused bush of trying to rewrite history adding the key issue is not how many times a plane touches down at the airport, it's how intensive is the engagement that leads the progress. >> i read the whole speech last night. i thought it was an excellent speech. i think this is a vulnerability for hillary clinton when the debate turns to foreign policy, no voter missed what happened in iraq so if you have opinions about george w. bush, they are not held over jeb bush but this is a debate about the future security of the middle east, rise of isis is sort of the central threat that every president is going to have to deal with. >> let me ask you -- >> i'm trying to decide who to hold back. >> you use the word vulnerability.

jeb bush's brother engaged us in the worst foreign policy mistake of the last 50, 60, 70 years in this country. the former president also signed the declaration that we would withdraw from iraq. it wasn't president obama who signed it. it was george w. bush who signed it. why would jeb bush inflict himself into this -- it's only going to -- he should be thankful for donald trump. >> you said in the 6:00 hour that elections are about the future and that's the case. hillary clinton supported the same war that george bush entered us into in iraq. so hillary clinton and george w. bush actually had the same position on the decision to go to iraq. i think this is a perfect territory. let me finish answering your question. jeb bush -- everyone running for president has to present the voters with a way to defeat isis. this isn't a far away war. there are isis recruits in the states from which all of us come so jeb bush's articulation last

night about how we ended up in this position, about how failure to achieve a status of forces agreement is precisely the vacuum that led to the rise of isis. >> this is a disaster for jeb bush. he cannot -- because his last name is -- >> can hillary clinton who voted for the war in iraq? >> she can because she's part of the team that got us out. >> that led no residual force there that led to the rise of isis. >> it was george w. bush who signed the status of forces agreement. >> secretary gates sat there and said he thought it was a mistake that obama failed to achieve status of forces agreement. >> let me have my say. i let you have your say. the right set of facts is what i just said. >> obama failed to achieve and sign a status of forces agreement. >> no president would have done something different than what obama did. obama pulled our troops out because maliki would not agree to allow them not to be tried in civilian court. that's number one. bush signed that agreement.

number two, you said elections are about the future. i agree. there's no constituency in america for doing what jeb bush wants to do except for no-fly zone which we should do in syria. there is no constituency in america except for far right and neocons and people who just can't resist sending more troops every place we go to do what jeb bush just talked about which is sending more troops to iraq. >> the speech last night was about building an international coalition to defeat isis which is obama's policies. there's not a lot of partisan divide in terms of the need to take on isis. i think what jeb did last night was tell his audience how we got here. i think the notion that hillary clinton doesn't have culpability in creating a power vacuum in iraq is ludicrous. >> there's no amount of gop

talking points getting bushes off the hook for iraq. that's a fact. >> republican primary voters will be arbiters of that and not you and me. >> speaking of bernie sanders, a new poll out this morning out of new hampshire shows bernie sanders leading hillary clinton for the first time. the franklin pierce university/boston herald poll finds clinton trailing 44-37. vice president joe biden takes 9% of those likely to vote in the democratic primary. clinton and sanders have similar favorability ratings except for number of voters with very favorable impressions where sanders has stronger support. still, of these voters, 65% think clinton will ultimately win the democratic nomination. only 11% think sanders will. and the front page of "the washington post" puts bernie sanders' surge in porerspective. biggest crowds of the race. he's spoken to a combined 100,000 people in recent days.

chris, your paper looking at the people he's spoken to and these are people choosing to drive, park, walk, and stand in a crush to listen to bernie sanders speak. does that translate into votes? >> i mean, it tells us something. i don't know how much it tells us about votes. remember, 20,500 people in los angeles, california, is not a decisive caucus. any time you get 1,000 people to come and listen to you speak in august before the election year, that's something. that's what i keep focusing on. i don't think bernie sanders is going to beat hillary clinton for the nomination. at the same time, you know, 19,000 people in portland, oregon, 27,000 people in los angeles. it's hard for me to just dismiss that organic passion and excitement is the single most valuable commodity to any politician. it's always been hillary

clinton's achilles' heel. it's exactly what you showed in that poll, mika. people are for bernie sanders but thinks hillary will win. she's the head candidate. always been the head candidate. not the heart candidate. that was not her in 2008. obviously it was barack obama eventually. it's not her right now. it doesn't mean she's not going to be the nominee but passion matters. passion within the base matters particularly in a general election where we expect the republican base to come out and vote against hillary clinton will be very, very energized. >> we looked at that new hampshire number right there. a lot of people that support hillary clinton said that's bernie sanders' backyard. of course he's doing well there. it's also your backyard. to me that's too dismissive of what bernie sanders is doing. >> i think it's a mistake to be dismissive of bernie sanders. he has a strong message which has a fair amount of interest for right wing working class voters. working class people really have been stiffed. if you look at the numbers, most

of the wealth in this country is now going to the top 20% or even the top 1% and everybody knows that. republicans and democrats alike. average worker people who go to the polls. it's what bernie is tapping into it and what he tapped into during his 40-year career and this is not surprising. hillary clinton's campaign says she'll turn over the e-mail server she used while secretary of state. for months there was resistant to hand it over and a lawyer argued there was no basis supporting a third-party review. she said she exchanged 60,000 e-mails, half of which were personal and discarded. others were turned over to the state department for review and release and now the inspect jor general for intelligence committee telling senior members of congress that some messages are more sensitive than previously reported. two of four e-mails so far tagged as classified top secret. state department officials are still trying to determine if

they were classified at the time they were sent. four top aides have turned over records including copies of work e-mails on personal accounts. joining us from washington, host of "andrea mitchell reports," andrea mitchell. good morning. let's talk through this. what's the problem and what's new for hillary clinton? >> there are a couple of problems. they are big ones in fact. first of all, grassley put out a statement and the inspector general released their statements last night so we have all of the documentation indicating that according to the inspector general, the independent watchdog of the intelligence agencies and his update to the intelligence committee that two of the four e-mails that they had found and that they claim were classified were top secret. it's not just classified. it's not just secret classified. it's top secret. the highest level of government

intelligence classification and in fact had code words that indicated intelligence contained therein came from electronic eavesdropping from satellites with no foreign use or sharing with our closest foreign allies. you can't get much higher classification than that. that is that claim. secondly, she's now turning over the server that she said she would not give up and even though she says she delayed it some 31,000 of what she said were purely personal e-mails, now the fbi has got that. and as we know from hard drives, they've got the technology to go back and most probably find what was deleted. so this is going to keep going on and on and on. let's say they find something, which wasn't purely personal and which was libya related, whatever, that would be obviously a big problem down the road in the campaign. secondly, if they find nothing, is it ever going to go away

because there will be conspiracy theories. it's hard to understand how she's going to get out from under this cloud of suspicion over the private e-mail server. >> howard dean, you initially blew this off as huey. >> i still do. i'm more comfortable with the server in the custody of the justice department. not one of the e-mails she sent or received was labeled top secret or privileged or confidential or any of that stuff, classified. so we'll find out what's in there. if there are classified e-mails, which apparently there are, i don't think she'll get the blame for it because she wasn't aware. it will stop ridiculous speculation you've seen in the papers and i much rather have it in the hands of the justice department. >> andrea, does that make sense? this could all just go ahead? >> i don't know how it goes away

because it will take a long time. i do think that the governor is absolutely correct. better to be in the hands of the justice department and fbi, which will be presumably independent and professional, than in the hands of a congressional committee that many people have been suspicious of the motives. >> he did call for it to go to a third party. he wasn't asking for it himself. the chairman called for it to be handed over to a third party. this isn't against wishes of the committee investigating benghazi. >> howard, is it fair to say if this were a republican secretary of state and someone you were not supporting for president you would be troubled by a secretary of state having a private e-mail server in her home? >> i wouldn't be. i used to do that as governor. there's a tremendous number of other public officials who have done the same thing. >> and would only use a private server for state department e-mails? >> whatever hillary clinton did was within the constraints of the law at the time. >> it wasn't in the constraints of the white house operating rules that they put out for this

administration. you do know that, right? you do agree with that? >> it's not clear that i agree with that. you know my position in this hasn't changed. >> it's policy in the white house that e-mails are on a government server. >> i still think as you quoted me accurately in the beginning, this is a lot of huey. at least now it's in the hands of professional people who can look at it and that's a good thing. >> go ahead. >> can i say one thing? one of the defenses from team clinton has been that everything is archived so even if she erased something or not turned something over that recipients e-mails would be in the archive. the problem with that is back in march two days after this blew up and we had the u.n. news conference when she first disclosed it, we reported on a gao report, a government accountability office report, that the state department was so bad in archiving that only a small percentage of e-mails from that period were ever archived

because the computer system was so messed up and state department procedures were so bad. there is no record of what was sent or received necessarily except on the server if they can get it off the hard drive. >> andrea mitchell, thank you. howard dean, thank you. >> through gritted teeth she says. >> i don't think -- i think you're really literally for the first time truly trying to avoid a true narrative here. >> this is like having a discussion about patriots and jets that you had had on in the last half hour. you're not going to get me to give on this. >> you would not be this way if it was dick cheney or donald rumsfeld. you wouldn't. your partisan, whatever, it's just right there. >> hillary started a war in which 2 million people were killed. >> she can keep classified material on her e-mail server. take that defense for the fbi. >> i think it's great fbi will give us a report.

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there appears to be no end in sight to the back and forth over the iran nuclear deal. secretary of state john kerry is rejecting calls by schumer to try to negotiate a better deal. he says doing so could harm the u.s. economy and standing in the world. schumer disagrees and says he'll not play politics with the vote. >> can you imagine trying to sanction them after persuading them to bring iran to the negotiating table and when they have not only come to the table

but made a deal, we turn around and end the deal and say you have to obey our rules on sanctions anyway. that's a recipe quickly for the american dollar to cease to be the reserve currency of the world. but the notion that we can just sort of dis the deal will have an impact on america's leadership and reliability. >> there's no good solution here. it's an agreement that's not close to the ideal or no agreement. i believe we have a better option with no agreement because i think we can, if we work hard at it, it's difficult. diplomacy pass is difficult but get allies back to the table. this is a vote of conscious. a vote of conscious for me. it will be a vote of conscious

for my colleagues. to try to do some kind of horse trading you'll get on this committee if you vote this way and a road if you vote this way, that's counterproductive. it's not how the senate works. i won't be able to force anybody to vote my way. i can simply argue my point of view and see if they accept it. >> mike barnicle and mark halperin were at the john kerry event covering it yesterday, it looks like he was a strong defender and impressive defender and a different defender than president obama was in terms of style. >> with all due respect to the president, that was the best defense of this agreement i've heard. former prosecutor, former senator, secretary of state who negotiated the deal. he made a really compelling case. dismantled many arguments of the opponents but did it in a tone that was very civil and he said i welcome the public debate. it was a great performance theatrically. he was strong.

>> largely because he's secretary of state, he's not in the political arena in a sense. he chose correctly to point out that chuck schumer and people opposing it are doing it on matters of principle and not politics. >> interesting piece in "the washington post" today saying that candidate obama they thought would transform washington, that he has disappeared from this debate and he's calling opponents of the deal who are principled opponents of a deal with iran. chuck schumer certainly give him benefit of the doubt he tried to be onboard with this president and his party and he simply could not be. there's an ad out with veterans of iraq that were maimed by weapons that came from iran.

to disparage everyone that opposes the deal is a huge mistake on president obama's part. >> the white house has gone hard after chuck schumer. coming up, tom brokaw revisits one of his first reporting beats for nbc news. the watts riots in southern california 50 years ago. a fascinating look at what's changed in america and what has not. we'll hear from tom next on "morning joe." ♪ i built my business with passion. but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. i earn unlimited 2% cash back on everything i buy for my studio. ♪ and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business... that's huge for my bottom line. what's in your wallet?

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a police traffic stop of an african-american by white officers sparked racial tensions and violence in the streets of an american city. a headline straight out of the papers today but in this case it was 50 years ago when the watts section of los angeles erupted into flames. nbc's tom brokaw covered that event and revisits the community a half century later. >> 50 years ago what started as a routine traffic stop turned into this. the watts section of los angeles became a war zone. i joined nbc news in los angeles shortly after the watts uprising and this quickly became my beat. i spent days, weeks, and months on these streets in the heart of watts. someone i talked to often, bernard parks, he had been on the police force six months when the uprising began and rose to become lapd chief and later city councilman. now 50 years later, and was a

racial difficulties we've had in this country in the last year, what are the lessons for the rest of the country about not just what happened 50 years ago but where we are now in watts? >> for me the lessons are nothing is ever resolved. the issue is that every time you declare victory, regression starts. so it's a day-to-day process of race relationships, relationships in general. >> 50 years on the portrait of this neighborhood looks different. it's now majority latino and yet many of the aspects of life here remain stubbornly separate and unequal. the watts coffee house serves up food, culture and community in equal measure and a good place to hear about what has changed and what has not. what is the truth about watts that you think the rest of the country has to know? >> the truth about watts is it survived in spite of the negative images that were

portrayed about watts. it still survived. we were constantly told watts is nothing. you can't live in watts. you can't raise your children in watts. well, i raised my children in watts and i'll put my kids up against anybody in this city. >> what about the people who live in those neighborhoods and their own responsibility to rebuild where they live and the people who are not on the streets but are at home? >> they have to be included in the planning for whatever is going to happen next. when the war on poverty declared 51 years ago, people that were victims of poverty were not included in the planning. at least not adequately. if the people that we're trying to help or left out, there's a saying that if it's about it but without us it ain't for us so the planning has to continue the people of ferguson and baltimore and take ownership in that

process and be held accountable for their part in it as well. >> the last time i was here, chief, people said to me, we only hear from the news media when something goes wrong in watts. >> when i was in the police department, we would ask the media about why they didn't cover certain things and they would respond that's a routine homicide. how can a homicide be routine? we began to say jokingly the best way to know that you're in a positive event in south los angeles is the media is not there. if tim and i bumped into each other and got into a fight, we would be on news at 11:00. >> is it better down here now? >> steady by jerks. you have progress and setbacks. there are things that happen daily that you look and say is it 2015? and then you see progress. >> how much is race a factor? >> i think we're beyond the sign on the water fountain but the subtleties today are just as

harmful. there's a tendency, i believe, to be relied too much on optics of diversity by saying i have so many of this color and so many of this color and so many gender. but not looking at the broader scope of diversity saying who are these people and what is their difference in thought, background, life experiences and i think those are things that racism is alive and well because people will find reasons not to give you an opportunity you deserve. >> i think we have to as a community instill in our children the pride and dignity and determination to do the best you can do wherever you are. >> joining us now from los angeles, the host of msnbc's politics nation," reverend al sharpton. especially after seeing tom's piece, there's so much that hasn't changed in some ways. >> that is very true.

our organization has an office in los angeles and some of those, the leader here of our chapter wasn't even born when watts happened. i was only 10. when you listen to stories and when you talk to those that were here, it is almost like it is today even though there are some things that have changed. i think the thing that we must remember, mika, is whether we're talking 50 years ago this week with 34 people died over six days during the watts rebellion or talking about baltimore or ferguson today, all of these incidents started with some kind of police interaction with the community. i think though the unemployment and social conditions and the poverty drives it, it's when there's a breakdown between those that you feel should be there protecting you or you begin to feel they become the front line of what's holding you down. that's what leads to violence.

i think that martin luther king was quoted as saying 50 years ago that this was the voice of the unheard. that's not to endorse violence or support it, but it's to say when people feel suppressed, they explode. we have to deal with the underlying problem of policing and the institution of problems in the community. i agree it's going to take both sides coming to deal with it but you've got to be willing to deal with it otherwise 50 years from now they'll say maybe less people died in these violent interactions but nothing changed so we're still going to be on the course of waiting on the next explosion. we've got to deal with the problem. it's fundamental and systemic. >> you mentioned obviously we're talking about watts 50 years ago, rodney king in los angeles about 25 years ago, but you mention the voices of the unheard. what impact do you think, if any, the voices of the newly

arrived unheard have had in the los angeles basin in watts, in compton, immigration from mexico, immigration from all over the world. watts is largely hispanic now. what impact do you think these newly arrived voices have had in this mix? >> i think they've had a large voice, a tremendous voice to be honest, because i think they bring in a new level of challenge because they have been disenfranchised by language and legal status and interaction with police and former mayor is one of the principles that i have come to speak at the event with because you had to also deal with that bridge between how the african-american community and the latino community who are the dominant residents in watts now and now they interrelate and

collectively deal with broader community. i think it is added to the tensions but at the same time has given us the opportunity for great challenge if we coalesce efforts. >> reverend al, stay with us. another 50-year milestone this year shaping up to be a key issue in the race for 2016. we're back in a moment with that. lm and move as quietly as possible. ♪ [whirring drones] ♪ no sudden movements. ♪ [screaming panic] ♪ [whirring drones] google search: bodega beach house. ♪ ♪ [drones crashing] ♪ i've got a nice long life ahead. big plans. so when i found out medicare doesn't pay all my medical expenses, i looked at my options.

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clinton chose that as one of the first things to come out of the box in her campaign and talk about. >> voting rights is emerging as a big issue. >> it's a big issue. >> a big issue in 2012 because what you had was half of the states in the country after the 2010 election passed new laws making it harder to vote. that was in key swing states. places like florida, ohio, pennsylvania. >> explain the problem. >> they did a bunch of different things. they shut down voter registration drives and cutback early voting and disenfranchised ex-felons and required government issued i.d. which you never needed before to cast a ballot. all of those things were done at once. a sweeping overhaul of the election system and all of these can key states and now we enter 2016 without the full protections of the voting rights act. >> these changes impact elections, do they not? >> they do impact elections. you have significant turnout in the african-american community, we saw in places like north

carolina and elsewhere in the south where the black folvote surpassed white vote in turnout. there's still systemic issues that need to be addressed with respect to certain examples. for example, if i used to walk to my polling place and because of changes in the law, i now have to catch two buses to get there or if i have to now leave my job and it takes me two or three hours in that process to go vote and i'm docked pay, all of that has an impact. i think there needs to be a broader look at how the changes in the laws really do impact particularly those in communities that have trouble accessing the ballot box. republicans can get on this issue in a way that's different from how they've done it. the way we talk about it is there is no fraud because voter turnout is higher or there is no fraud because of other examples.

i think we need to drill down a little bit more in understanding exactly what's going on in these communities and create pathways to access the ballot box and make it easier for folks to vote and not harder. >> it was signed into law 50 years ago this august and the emphasis behind the bill, the enactment of the bill at that point in time, was pretty easy in terms of getting people, let's go, let's get this done. some of the civil rights marches, how difficult is it now with all of these sort of just under the radar obstacles in places like north carolina or texas to get people to pay attention? >> you are right that there were these dramatic occurrences in 1964 and 1965 that led to passage of the voting rights act. things like mississippi freedom summer. things like salma, alabama that galvanized the nation and now you see more sophisticated forms of discrimination and more complicated. you have to explain to people why are voter i.d. laws

discriminatory and look at data and see that blacks and hispanic don't have a government issued i.d. in the same way that white voters do and there are barriers to cutting early voting or cutting early voting or to repealing reforms that we had. one other thing that michael steele brought up, a really good point. republicans do need to talk more about voting rights issues. i tried to show in my book, it has been a bipartisan piece of legislation. you know, nicole, signed the reauthorization of it and all four of the voting rights act in 1975 and 1982 and 2006, all signed by republican presidents. it's only recently that we've seen this extreme politicsization of voting rights. >> they agreed a government issued i.d. was a reasonable thing to ask for in the right to vote. why can't democrats get on board if there's a subsidy floated to help pay for it?

>> i think what the carter provision was saying, you could have some sort of i.d. but didn't need to be strict -- >> there seems to be a resistance -- >> even baker weighed in criticizing because you see in texas -- >> not the i.d. >> not the i.d. itself, in texas you can vote with a hand gun permit but not an i.d. you found in the same study, there was no voter impersonation fraud that any ses tate e neces this. >> i think it's going to be a very serious movement to challenge these voting laws imposed. you must remember with the shelby decision by the supreme court where they took away the map that requires preclearance, is what now has 14 states that did not have these laws in the last election will be having the

first time with the president selection next year. a lot of us our mobilizing in the civil rights community and a lot of us did in 2012. that's why you saw long lines. you will see dramatic movement. the question is, will the republicans be like even george bush was? i was there when he re-signed the voting rights acts in 2006 at the white house. i think hillary clinton is right to lead with this. i think it will mobilize voters and i think any time you have a remedy to a problem that doesn't exist, you have to ask what is the motive. you can't look for a solution to a problem that's not there. there has been no fraud established. so what are we doing here other than discouraging or suppressing people to vote? >> all right, the book is entitled "give you will the ballot", ari berman thank you. we'll watch "politics nation" tonight at 6:00 p.m.

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do you think during this campaign there have been some times where you feel you have

gone over the top? >> i have what? >> gone over the top? >> i don't think at all. when you talk in the debate, it came out in one of the networks today, there should have been 2 million people watching. you agree? about 2 million. that's been sort of standard. $2 million. there were 24 million people and the 24 i think is going to go to 28 or 29 and maybe 30 when the final numbers came in. who do you think they are watching? jeb bush? i don't think so. >> well, there is that. that was donald trump in michigan yesterday. we'll have much more of that. there's a ton of other news going on as well, especially in politics. welcome to "morning joe." with us we have mike barnicle, managing editor ofbloomberg politics, mark halperin, nicolle wallace and in washington, msnbc political analyst and former chairman of the national republican committee, michael

steele. nicole, good to see you. i don't know what i was reading here but i always felt you knew about the kardashians than me. >> you were the only one that i knew more than. apparently it wasn't enough to save me but did make me feel this much better about myself. >> i can be almost the worse on pop culture person here. >> sadly i came in second. >> cheers. let's get to politics. a new poll out of new hampshire shows bernie sanders leading hillary clinton for first time. the franklin pierce boston herald poll shows clinton trailing 37 to 44. any surprised? >> nope. >> clinton and sanders have similar favorable ratings except with a number of voters with very favorable impressions where sanders has stronger support. still of these voters, 65% think

clinton will ultimately win the democratic nomination only 11% think sanders will. and on the front page of the "washington post," puts bernie sanders surge in perspective, he has the biggest crowds of the race and it's not even close. he has spoken to a combined 100,000 people in recent days. let's put it more into perspective. there's a couple of different wild factors -- wild cards involved, including if joe biden decides to jump in mark halperin. are these numbers anything worth talking about? >> no one is laying a glove on the guy in context of media. in presidential politics, if you're controlling your public image you're doing well. he's controlling his public image. almost every one is big crowds and him delivering his message and no scandal, no controversy, no opposition research aimed against him. he's a perfect for the electorate in iowa and new hampshire and she's still having

problems. >> from what you're seeing, nicolle wallace, is it people protesting or who go to vote after listening to him? >> i think his performance and politics, as the trump supporters are by trump. i think it's interesting when you see her agreeing to turn over her server, it has a lot more to do with her poll numbers plunging among the democratic base than it does to her waking up to the revelation that we have a right to see what was on it. i think as is typical with the clintons over the last three decades, even the actions we would have perhaps heralded as progress seem to be poll driven. >> you asked the question about the e-mails this morning clinton's campaign says she will turn over the e-mail server she used while secretary of state. so let's just back up a little bit. why wasn't she turn teenager over before? >> the justice department just -- the campaign is trying to claim credit for handling it

over. i suspect if they hadn't offered it up it would have been subpoenaed and it's a dangerous new development for her because now the justice department will look at the server and look at what was destroyed. they'll look at whether she turned over she said she turned over. a lot of questions now if the fbi pursues could put her in political danger and potentially legal danger. >> you mentioned for months there was resistance in handing over the server and lawyer argued there was no basis supporting a third party review. they were pushing back a little bit. the former secretary of state said in march she exchanged about 60,000 e-mails, half of which were personal and were discarded and others were turned over to the state department for review and release. now the inspector general for the intelligence community reportedly told senior members of congress, some of the messages are more sensitive than previously reported. two of four e-mails flagged so far are classified top secret. state department officials say

they are still determining whether they agree the two were classified at the time they were sent. senator chuck grassley called for the inspectors in the case to look into staff's use of the server and for top aides turned over records, including copies of work e-mails on personal accounts. and willie, this is something we've been wondering about for a while. the initial reaction, i remember always being, is it doesn't matter? they don't matter. the e-mails don't matter. >> it's not for the clinton campaign to decide and that's what we're going to find out right now from washington. white house correspondent anita kumar, the first to report about the sensitive classified status. it's good to have you with us this morning. let's flush out your reporting more. how serious could this be for hillary clinton based on what you found? >> well, it could be serious. there are several investigations into her conduct, not into her, but into her use of personal e-mail and personal server. she's facing an fbi

investigation, got some investigations on capitol hill and then yesterday we heard from the inspector general of the state department saying that he is now looking into her aides, their use of personal e-mail. >> what exactly is hillary clinton's campaign turning over at this point? >> they are turning over two things and it is voluntary at this point. they have been asked by the committee -- house committee looking into the benghazi attacks in 2012 to turn over her server. she has not done it for months. yesterday they announced pretty late in the day they are going to turn that over to the justice department. they have not done so yet. yesterday they did turn over a thumb drive that had her e-mails on it that her attorney had been holding on to. >> there's the question of what is even on these servers, all of the reporting was it was wiped clean by hillary clinton. do we have any sense of what they are going to find when they look at these servers? >> experts differ on that. it's unclear how she did that and what they would find. many people think that you can't

really wipe it clean. there would be evidence still there, that are the e-mails still would be there. >> thank you so much. i wonder, what can you get out a scrubbed server? can you retrieve deleted e-mails and is scrubbing different? i don't know. >> to me it's politically it's a no-win situation. if they recover the information from 30,000 personal e-mails there's certainly the case that someone will find something that should have been turned over and that would be a problem for her. if it's been fully deleted and permanently erased, under any technology is hard to do, people will say, wow, why did hillary clinton go to such length to permanently delete the e-mails and the question will linger forever, what was on there? >> the discovery of two now classified e-mails will raise questions among the public how is this different from what general david petraeus was found

to have done with his personal materials. >> his was marked classified, her was not. >> i think this cumulative sort of string of dishonesty and changing answers and depending what the meaning of is is and classified is. mine wasn't stamped. i think they are down a rabbit hole. >> he took stuff that was clearly marked classified and gave it to someone who wasn't authorized. >> good luck describing that to the public. classified piece of paper on her home server. it's a hard thing to differentiate. >> mike barnicle you went to the event with secretary kerry yesterday and incredible comments pertaining to the iran deal. can you imagine where there's a whole area that's scrubbed,

private server being used? does that comply with obama administration policy? >> well, i've got to assume that the incumbent secretary of state is well aware of the issues involving the former secretary of state. and all of the e-mails that are above board in terms of -- >> they are under the same rules that hillary clinton was under. >> but hillary clinton -- hillary clinton's issue certainly involves the e-mails in the a larger sense it involves what it regurnlg tats within the voting public about the clintons. there's always something there with them and you tint it with the bernie sanders crowds and thus far her candidacy, too much of it has been about the past. elections are about the future. that's why people go to see bernie sanders, talking about issues current today and talking about the future involving those issues. >> it's hopeful. >> and hillary clinton stands up and first question is going to be, what about the e-mails?

>> and what about them? >> the clinton campaign tried to swat this entire story away as partisan. now if you have the fbi and justice department and the inspector general -- >> who are obama appointees. >> those are not partisan -- >> i think as nicole said the public understands the situation where something says top secret on it and you have a personal server in your home. and why? the rationale for why has never been convincing, because it's easier? >> sitting in fairfax hospital with a family members for hours over the weekend and you end up talking about politics. once we finished talking about trump and that well was dry, that was the second thing, cardologist came up to me and nurse and they were like, we don't get it with the e-mails. what's wrong? it's out there. it's not just in here. >> it's a problem of her own making. >> yeah.

yeah. >> okay, well, you know who she has to thank right now and ought to send them flowers and since they went to the wedding maybe another gift. donald trump was in michigan to keynote a republican dinner. he delivered a tough message about immigration and got a standing ovation when he demanded a wall be built on the mexico border. trump had a tougher set of words for jeb bush about recent murders committed by undocumented immigrants. >> you know, jeb bush, one of my opponents. [ booing ] >> he's gone to my friends, many of my friends and he's raised $114 million. but just remember one thing, they'll make commercials and building him up like he's wonderful. remember coming in as an illegal is an act of love, remember that line? an act of love. tell that to some of the families that it was an act of love.

tell it to some of the families devastated that that was an act of love. >> she'll make a very beautiful first lady, i can tell you. and a great first lady. she's got a great heart. great heart. she cares more about those women issues that bush doesn't care about. she cares more about that and mel lan yan and invanka, believe me. >> they said i won the debate. is that nice? is that nice? the polls came out and said i won. and boy, did i have nasty questions. i stood up there and said i don't believe this. some of those questions. actual hi rosie o'donnell saved me. one time she did. she saved me. i never thought i would be giving credit to rosie, but in this case she was great. these stiffs and politicians, they are stiffs.

you know what a stiff is? a stiff is a person these wealthy person in the front row, a stiff is a person you will not hire. and these stiffs say, isn't it horrible, trump says about the wall? >> i'm watching the table watch trump, one word, one word. halperin. >> seems like a state of the union speech to me. >> nicole? >> hideous. >> willie. >> mesmerizing. >> barnicle. >> showmanship. >> a new suffolk university poll shows donald trump with a 5-point lead over wisconsin governor scott walker. the previous front-runner, marco rubio and ben carson rank high. 62% watched the prime time republican debate and of those, viewers found rubio and carson the most impressive, 11% said that about trump. more than half said they were less comfortable with his

candidacy for president and 23% said more comfortable. in new hampshire, trump is down from his double digit leads of last month but five points ahead of jeb bush with ohio governor john kasich surging into a close third place at 12%. we need to get to the kasich story before this block it over. michael steele, take it away. what do you make of those numbers? >> it just tells you that there was a slight hit to trump in terms of his performance. but he still has that graphvy tagsal pull. folks are 65% more uncomfortable and yet he's still leading and they are gravitating towards him. he's got this amazing mix of repulsion and inclusion. as long as he's able to do that, he'll stay where he is.

i've said before the only way trump goes down, if he takes himself down. i don't know how he does that at this point. there have been so many amazing gotcha moments that he's created for himself and still survive. so i think we're going to ride this into simi valley in a few weeks and he'll be on the stable in the second debate. you'll have a new player have moved up, john kasich, you want to talk about him. i think you're going to see interesting dynamics there. the interesting thing for me and i'd be curious to see what mark halperin thinks about this, how trump is trying to depress jeb bush. i think he still sees jeb bush as the biggest obstacle to securing and holding on to this first place because of that $114 million and ability to unleash a bevvy of negative ads. i think his efforts have been to push him down into the middle of the pack a lot more than i think people believe is possible. >> trump -- the kinder gentler

trump from yesterday as michael says, he excluded jeb bush from kinder and gentler. he went after him hard because he recommendation the establishment more than any of the other republicans and that's trump's main theme. jeb, as you said sitting on all that money. jeb comes after him or super pac wants to go back hard after jeb. jeb is the one going most aggressively after trump in the last few days. this is i think, michael, you're right, this is a huge theme going on, a subplot of trump versus jeb. jeb would not -- doesn't want to tangle with trump at all. he wants to tangle with hillary. the biggest question in republican politics, which super pac and which entity will go on television with paid media trying to destroy donald trump. >> tell me about john kasich. you can see if you go to new hampshire, he's got great storefront appeal, if you will. >> look at that. >> how does he play out in this

field? >> i think he plays out amazingly well. i thought for a long time that he brings a dynamic to the table that is going to be hard to overcome. he's grass roots and blue collar. he has cachewith the base. some in the base are not happy with his taking of medicaid funding. but he has been able to create a narrative and story, the success in his state through what he's done there, he's time in congress, his time on television. you know, he knows how to work the immediate ymedia, if you wi. he bring az strong dynamic into this race and now that he's up at the big table working against the jeb bushes and trumps and others, you're going to see a lot of sparks fly with him because he's so down to earth. people just automatically relate to what he has to say. as a number of my

african-american friends and on the democratic side said, i'm looking at him very closely. if i'm comparing him to hillary, this is a tough choice for me. and that is an interesting space right now for john kasich. >> it's interesting too, if you look at the polls, it looks like voters had the same reaction to the debate a lot of us on friday morning. john kasich as well and carly fiorina within the margin of error. >> he got the endorsement last night from one of the most important operatives in new hampshire, tom rath and trump never attacked him as best i can. the only republican he has never attacked. let's see if that changes. i think kasich will pass jeb in new hampshire soon in the polls and maybe even trump. jeb bush comes out swinging in a major foreign policy speech at the reagan library. why he says president obama pane hillary clint

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they were arrested on the way to the airport and planned to pose as newlyweds on a honeymoon to get into syria through turkey. >> another unbelievable story from "new york times," investigative report details a quote campaign of retribution of prisoner at the clinton correctional facility. one inmate, patrick alexander said he was beaten with his head slammed against the wall hours after richard matte and david sweat were discovered missing and threatened with waterboarding during an interrogation. alexander was also confronted by governor andrew cuomo during his tour of the prison. a video of the exchange shows cuomo asking alexander, must have kept you awake with all that cutting, huh? he told the times, the governor gave his best tough guy stare and walked off. inmates described a strikingly similar catalog of abuses, including being beaten while

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i would say the obama clinton foreign policy will be remembered as a foreign policy based on grand ioss talk and failed action. it's a failed record. the reset, libya, benghazi, fight against terror, on and on it goes. it's based on not backing up your word where america no longer has any credibility in the world. >> that was jeb bush last night with a blistering attack on hillary clinton and president obama's foreign policy. joining us from the ronald reagan presidential library in simi valley, california, kasie hunt. what is the response to far to the speech? >> caller: well, this is a pretty risky strategy in many

ways for jeb bush. it reminds voters that his brother started this iraq war. clinton advisers in a call before the speech said he's basically attempting to rewrite history here. if you think about his position in the greater field as somebody who really should be the front-runner right now, he does need to show republican voters that he's really willing to be aggressive. i think deeper in that speech as well, you saw him suggest that the u.s. is funding terrorists. >> in effect, the primary investors in a violent radical middle east have just received the new round of funding courtesy of the united states of america and the united nations. and this is -- this is president obama's idea of a diplomatic triumph. wow. it is a deal unwise and extreme with a regime untrust worthy in the extreme. it should be rejected by the congress of the united states of america. [ applause ] >> if the congress does not

reject this deal, then the damage must be done -- undone by the next president and it will be my intention to begin that process immediately. [ applause ] >> so he didn't go quite so far as senator ted cruz, who called the u.s. the leading financeer of terrorists in the event this deal went through. that was a remark that mitt romney called way over the line. it's rhetoric from jeb bush that is definitely stepping up. it reflects the idea they know they need to start making more aggressive moves if he's going to be able to continue to at least be viewed in some ways as the front-runner, even as he's so far down in all of these polls. >> mark halperin. >> any sense of what bush aides say about why it is he's not doing better in national polling and state polling now? >> reporter: well, look, i think at this point they feel or at least they are trying to argue that the trump phenomenon is

something that is sucking up a lot of oxygen and at the end of the day won't be bad for him because he's not drawing away from their support either way. whether that holds up, remains to be seen. they will tell you that the reason why he's going on this particular subject of iraq, they say that's just where the action happens to be and also they want to push forward into talking about isis and not relitigating these fights in with his brother and original decision to go into iraq. >> kasie hunt, thank you very much. joining us now here on the set in new york, editor in chief of "glamour", cindy levy, here with the september issue, which introduces us to the women of election 2016. not all candidates among them. nbc news white house correspondent kristen welker and kristen joins us from washington. congratulations. >> thank you. >> nice spread.

>> thank you. >> it's cool. great choice in kristen. i love her. i've been following her for years. she knows that back to our days in new jersey, i believe. kind of blocked it out. kristen, what are you looking for in this campaign? what makes it so interesting to you? what's your angle? >> look, i think one of the things i'm looking for what we're seeing today. the fact that the democratic race is becoming a real fight right now. you have been talking about this new poll all morning that shows bernie sanders in the lead for the first time in new hampshire. the clinton campaign had been saying this is going to be a competitive race and now it actually is. it's going to be interesting to see how she navigates that and navigates this e-mail issue. on a personal note, i'm expecting not to get a whole lot of sleep and i should say i'm covering the campaign with andrea mitchell, which is a huge honor. an honor of a lifetime. she's been a mentor and friend and someone i've looked up to. i think it's going to be a fascinating 18 months.

>> it really is. there's not just one woman to watch, not only on the reporter side and covering the campaign, but on the campaigns, carly fiorina. >> she's having -- you've been talking about it, a pretty good week. i think one of the interesting things from a young woman's point of view, carly fiorina is showing herself as connecting with young voters. she did a great video on buzz feed where she lampooned sexist stereo types in the workplace and i think she understands how to connect with that group. >> on this list, which kristen is on, what are the characteristics you were looking for in these women? >> we wanted to show our audience that there are a lot of different ways to get involved in politics. everywhere you look in this presidential election, there are now women. you tend to think the women of election 2016, obviously hillary and carly fiorina. it is about women in top posts

in so many different campaigns. at the moment 9 of the 22 presidential campaigns have female spokespeople which has been a role that guys have had in the past. it's great to see women taking that kind of leadership position. >> and in 2004 stephanie and i had the same job, always been a lot of women in bush world, very mary madeleine and karen hughes. >> he empowered women like no other boss i've in journalism or politics has done before or since. >> it's nice to see more women. i think politics has always been a great place for women to thrive. there is a lot of turnover at the end of every campaign, whether you win or lose, you're looking for a new job. there's a lot of turnover and i've always worked with and for had and great women -- >> it's not just women but women's issues that i think are going to potentially trip up some candidates along the way,

just potentially. >> and they already have to some extent. this fight between donald trump and jeb bush, who would be better for women -- >> trump calls them the women. the other world, the women. >> shows how front and center it is. there's no doubt even if you don't want to say women's issues versus men's issues, on jobs and wages all of the women's voices will be front and center more than they have in any other election, which is fantastic. >> if you look what happened in the last two presidential cycles, women helped propel president obama into the white house. young women in particular tend not to identify with any particular party. nobody can take their votes for granted. every one of these candidates will have to get in there and directly talk to young women. we've started something on the glamour.com website called the 51 million named for the 51 million under 45 who will be eligible to vote in 2016. a record number, everybody needs to pay attention. >> isn't it almost always the case when you find women at any

level in business or in a political campaign, they have better judgment, almost always, better judgment than men? they look at things where a much more critical and lessee motional eye than men do. >> it's weird but i think he's right. even though we do have an emotional approach to some things -- >> listen, i certainly wouldn't sit here and argue that women are morally or spiritually better -- >> well why not? joking. >> i'm not sure i can back that up. there are numerous studies showing when women serve on corporate boards that those companies outperform boards that have preponderance of men. it's better when everybody is equally represented at the table. >> i think women are often self-described independents, they decide later and will be paying attention longer and be persuadabl persuadable. >> what's great about the women you featured here, they are regardless of gender, top

talent. >> yeah. >> very smart and very experienced, even younger ones who are not just at the campaigns as sort of there because they need women on the campaign at all, they are top performers who have been recruited by the male and female candidates in a way that we've never seen before. >> speaking of kristen welker, what are we looking for with this hillary clinton e-mail story as it progresses in the days to come with the different headlines today? what are the questions that you're looking to be heard answers to? >> certainly one of them is that she has been very adamant that she never knowingly transmitted any e-mails that were classified at the time. that's something that now she's going to have to talk about again in light of the fact that she has turned over her server to the federal authorities. and i think more broadly, she's going to have to increase her level of access to the press. she's been doing that steadily to be fair. she has been holding more press

availabilities but certainly with this issue and it has become a nagging issue, doesn't seem to go away. the questions are going to mount. we will see her take a more aggressive approach to opening up to the press. one more point, just to circle back to what you're talking about, what's so interesting about clinton's campaign this time around, she's talking so much more about her experience as a mom, as a grandmother, as a first lady. she's really trying to reach out to women voters in that way and it's going to be key if she's to win the nomination. >> the september issue of "glamour" on newsstands now. and kristen welker, congratulations and thank you. cool issue. >> china's currency plunges for a second day in a row after the dow loses more than 200 points. is it going to be another rough day on wall street. business before the bell is next with answers.

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was sort of waste to her potential. her ability to get in her own way is something i found i shared as well. >> you've had your challenges with addiction -- >> sure. >> the day you got this book deal, i think you were caught with cocaine or arrested or something. >> i was, yeah. >> how are you doing now? >> i'm doing great. a year drug free and happy and healthy and celebrating the book. i think that proved more than anything that we shared that exact bond, the day that was supposed to be the best day of my life ended up being in a way one of the worst but it also allowed me to sort of get my life together and confront it and start living the way i -- the way i felt like i should be living chin living. i felt like being better was honoring her. i think of her as my guardian angel. >> you write dorothy in a lot of ways is part of myself i'm afraid of, that they are afraid to succeed. that's incredible. do you -- has this been ka tha

tick? >> one of the scary moments of my life was that morning that i got the book deal, hadn't signed anything yet. i thought when i was in jail they were going to pull it and decide we didn't want to be with this sort of type of person. and when they didn't and when they -- it was like, okay, i need to take this more seriously and for her sake and my own and need to confront that very thing that fear of success that i know we shared is something that i allowed myself to say i'm going to put myself out there for the first time and we'll see what happens. >> mike? >> every time no matter who you are, whether you open the door to the internals of a family dispute or whatever, you know, it can go any way at all. >> sure. >> what was the reaction from your mother and your father about what you wrote? even though it's a novel.

what was their reaction? >> my mother for a long time was afraid to read the book, thinking it was maybe going to hit too close to home based on her mother and struggles she went through. i think when i was almost done i sent it to her, listen, i want to see what you think before i send it out and before i try to make it real. she read it and called me crying and said she wished that her mother was alive to read it. that it was something that she thought would only make her proud, even though she had struggles, there was an empathy that i shared for her that i tried to understand her in a way that a lot of people hadn't before. and i think that meant a lot to my mother. my father read it and because it's based on my mother's life, i think he had a different reaction but he's proud of me and likes the book. i'm happy about that. >> that's a good reaction from your mom. that could have been worse. >> it could have been worse, i know that throughout the book the character does make a lot of mistakes, does hurtful things

but i think, you know, it was clear that i loved her and that i wanted to make her -- i wanted it to honor her in some capacity. >> that's wonderful. the book is "our town." kevin mcenroe, thank you so much. i wrote a book about my mom and she scrolled all over it, all lies so i'm jealous. you got a better reaction. >> whoa. >> almost fell over. that's pretty funny. >> great to have you on. thank you for having me. what if anything did we learn today? we are looking at the heat once again through the south. it's spreading to the northwest as well. we'll see 102 in san antonio today and even triple digit heat

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new poll out that shows 51% of registered voters say hillary clinton's use of private e-mail is a matter of convenience, 52% -- i'm not sure how they add up, feel it should be investigated though. am i right about that? did i get that poll right? >> mark? >> i learned that clinton trump, bush, will be in the news for a long time. >> this is the next book i'm going to read. it came from a famous family. >> i think it's going to be fantastic. >> i learned that your mom is an unbelievable book review.

wow. >> she wasn't supposed to see the gallies but my daughter left them out and she wrote all over the book, crossed things out and lies, not true. ugly faces. yes, it was a good day. all right, that does it for us. if it's way too early it's time for "morning joe" but now it's time for "the rundown." have a great day, everybody. good morning, first on the rundown this morning, hillary clinton directed her staff to turn her private e-mail server over to the fbi. this as the inspector general says some of the e-mails were classified top secret. state department says they have seen the e-mails in question but are still determining whether they agree those e-mails were indeed classified at the time they were sent. clinton herself has repeatedly denied that any information in her e-mails was classified. nbc justice correspondent pete williams joins me this morning. good morning. >> good morning. >> what does this mean for clinton? >> to be