>> he hasn't really said anything yet. he's great for women. the mexicans love him. he says the mexicans love him. the mexicans love him. and that china is terrible and he's a billionaire and by the way he's a billionaire and he can make deals and everybody else is stupid and dumb. if you're a woman, you're a dog or you're ugly or whatever. you know, i just don't think even in the quest for eyes and ears and clicks that that's a sustainable model to be elected president of the united states. relax. sleep well tonight. you will not be talking about president trump in november of 2016. i promise. tell everyone that claire promised donald trump will not be president. >> okay. we'll just put the iowa polls aside then, should we? that doesn't match what claire is saying. that was claire mccaskill and me

yesterday talking about her new book but it just went off the rails about trump and a few other things. it was a great time. welcome to "morning joe." we have white house correspondent for huffington post sam stein, msnbc political analyst and professor at the university of michigan school of public policy former democratic congressman harold ford, jr., and in washington, "the new york times" reporter jeremy peters. >> go blue. i'm also a michigan guy. >> i didn't know that, jeremy. you have risen in my eyes. >> and senior contributor fmatt lewis joins us as well. >> can i get an anchor down for vanderbilt? no. okay. >> sure. all right. all right. let's go to iowa. we have a lot of news to cover pertaining to hillary clinton and the e-mail server which is now in the hands of the fbi. we'll get to that in a second.

new polls out of iowa post-debate poll shows donald trump firmly in the lead and new candidates surging. 22% of likely republican caucus goers choose trump while ben carson polls in second place with 14%, six points ahead of former front runner scott walker. ted cruz and carly fiorina benefiting from strong debate performances. she won. trump leads the field in iowa on who could best handle many of the top issues including the economy, immigration and terrorism. and when asked who was most likely to change the way washington works, trump stands head and shoulders above the others. 44%. his closest competitor ben carson at 9%. i have more of him talking unless anybody wants to comment on these polls. anyone surprised? >> we talked the morning after. we sat in cleveland and people said he's going to go downhill.

i think you and i both said that people who like donald trump watch that debate and saw exactly what they like about donald trump which is that he said screw politicians, screw the media, screw political correctness, this is who i am. this is what i represent. if you liked him, i don't know what his ceiling is there, that percentage whether it's 22% or 25% of people love donald trump and like what they saw. >> from what i hear they feel he was viciously targeted like it was a takedown in the debate. >> this is like will ferrell in the campaign where he punches a baby and his poll numbers go up. there's nothing this man can say or do at this juncture to make his poll numbers go down precisely because of what you're talking about. what i found was interesting was candidates are doing well. all of them had no affiliation with washington or there's ted cruz who is anti-washington while in washington. if you add top 3% for trump, carson and fiorina, that's 43% of the vote. next three is 22% of the vote.

there's clearly an anti-washington sentiment in the republican party right now. >> matt lewis, what does this say about the other candidates? >> well, obviously they're not getting the job done. i just wonder -- i think the real question is you cannot -- you can't question that donald trump phenomenon is real. you cannot question that there's this outsider populous thing happening. you look at ben carson and trump leading the pack. i think the real question is this a temporary phenomenon and are people dating donald trump but he's not the kind of girl you bring home to mom, right. when you have to get serious and it comes time, the responsibility of electing a president comes around, do voters all of a sudden become more responsible and harken back to a traditional politician or is this a new normal? i don't know the answer to that quite yet. >> put that number back up. quick comment, what does that

number tell you? to me that, jeremy, is the number to look at. that's stunning. >> i spent the last couple of days talking to trump supporters. i was with him in michigan. they all say a few things in common. one, they feel voiceless in this political system and that donald trump's voice is loud as it is will carry for them. they loathe political leaders and who loathes them more than donald trump, the guy that insults them at every turn. the number i would point out is 66% of people in this poll said that they were still on the fence. they don't know who they're going to vote for even though trump would be their first choice as of now. that's what i think we have to watch. this is still a very unsettled field. donald trump has given these people a lot to vote against and not quite enough to vote for just yet. >> just to echo matt's point. people want change in washington. people criticize president obama because they believe he didn't

understand how washington worked and couldn't work with democrats and republicans. if that is a concern of voters, it's unlikely as much as i understand the appeal to donald trump, i can't imagine him going to washington and working well with people right away with him calling people stupid and incapable and incompetent. if you're watching this and you're a candidate on the republican side, you have to wonder how do i show that i can change washington while at the same time show i can work with washington as well which is what people want most. >> let's listen to the candidate. we have other news to get to. he did make news last night. donald trump talked more about how he would handle the oval office including how he would use social media. >> if you won the presidency, would you still stay on twitter? would you be out there at 1:00 in the morning tweeting? >> probably less. i do get my point across. for years if somebody did bad stuff to me, i couldn't fight back. now i have @realdonald trump and

if people like it it's all over the world. >> trump talked about the people he listens to and where he gets his advice. >> my children are very smart. with this whole thing with megyn kelly in theory it's not a big deal. she said, dad, you love women. you cherish women. she used the word cherish. you respect women. you have so many women working for you. probably more women executives than male executives. you have to let people know how much you adore women and how you'll take care of them. >> and trump may be ready to promote women to high level positions in the executive branch. yesterday he told the "chicago sun times" he'll strongly consider a female running mate if he wins the nomination. okay. >> good for him. >> yeah. >> he's going to be around longer than we give him -- to

your guys point there after the debate, he says what people not only are thinking but what people wish they were thinking as well. not about the abortion thing and about the immigration thing or veterans matter but he says things that people want to hear said. i'm not sure he'll end up being able to choose a running mate but at the same time he's -- i think we have to be careful to count him out because americans want something like this. >> i don't think you sound like people who are on our set a few months ago, including you and you. >> i never said that. i just think that we treat him -- i think we treat him with more seriousness than he deserves as someone that comments about rapist mexicans and makes fun of john mccain. >> is he on the media page of huffington post? >> entertainment page. >> you don't cover him on the front paininge?

>> we cover him on the front page as entertainment. do you know what the polling average was three weeks before iowa the last time? guess who was in the lead by 13 points? newt gingrich. 13 points ahead of mitt romney. let's just take a breath. let's just take a breath here. i mean, it's fun to conjure up images of trump tweeting in his pajamas in the middle of the night from the oval office. i think there are bigger themes that we can derive from what he's doing. >> sam, he's as front runner. he's winning in all of the clear concrete legitimate polls. it's not entertainment. sam, why don't you put newt gingrich on your front page? there are a couple other candidates that you could put on the entertainment page. what's the point behind this decision? >> he's using this platform to just essentially build his own brand. >> it's arrogant and trying to control -- >> we'll talk later about this. let's not do this on air. >> i hear what you're saying. he makes the comment he made

about mexicans and the comment he made about veterans. i don't know if i disagree with that. he made the comment he made to megyn kelly and took on the most popular host on fox news and one of the biggest cable news networks in the country, how do you explain him still being ahead by 10 points? >> i think there's a fundamental conversation happening in the republican party about whether the establishment has been good for the republican party. the biggest thing that happened and matt would know better, the biggest debate i think happened last month was between senator ted cruz and mitch mcconnell. cruz made the point that we elected republicans to lead congress and they haven't done a good job. i think trump is echoing that sentiment which is we have republican leaders and republican media establishment and they fail at every turn. i don't think necessarily it's about trump. i think it's about a message. >> that's news. the feud between rand paul and

donald trump reached new heights. rand paul released a campaign which are donald trump's liberal policies. >> we have now people up there who say such profound things as you're stupid. you're fired. you're a pig. you look terrible. you only have half a brain. and then when you respond with an argument, you're stupid. or my favorite is the reason i tell women they're ugly is because i'm so good looking. everybody knows i'm good looking, right? what was trump's position then? he was for bailouts. obamacare became a dominant issue for us three for years. what was his position? he's always been for single pair system and always been for obamacare. now he's changed these positions now that he's a republican, but he used to say that democrats were better at running things.

>> obviously donald trump let that lie. >> we move on now. >> donald trump responded. >> i got news to get to. this is entertainment. >> trump said this, rand paul is doing so poorly in the polls he has to very verevert to old foo me that i no longer hold. ronald reagan is an example was a democrat with a liberal bent who became a conservative republican. trump went on recently rand paul called me and asked me to play golf. i easily beat him on the golf course and i will even more easily beat him now in the world of politics. senator paul does not mention that after trouncing him in golf, i made a significant donation to the eye center with which he's affiliated. i feel sorry for the great people of kentucky being used as a backup to senator paul's hopeless attempt to become

president of the united states. rand should save his special interest money and go quietly home. >> there's more. >> rand's campaign is a total mess. as a matter of fact, i didn't know he had anybody left in his campaign to make commercials who are not currently under indictment. that of course is a reference to two former aides being charged with hiding secret payments to secure an endorsement for ron paul in 2012. >> very straightforward. >> that is just an eviscerating drilling down double down -- i mean -- >> as roger stone said here the other day, donald trump is really enjoying this campaign. he sat at home last night and crafted that statement. >> okay. >> i'm surprised there weren't typos in it. >> there's no press secretary. okay. hillary clinton still holds her lead in iowa a day after a shocking poll showed her falling

behind her democratic opponent in new hampshire. clinton beats bernie sanders with democratic caucus goers 50% to 31%. vice president joe biden in third at 12%. should joe biden decide not to run, the poll shows clinton with largely inherit his support. that's interesting to see. the new poll comes as hillary clinton's old private e-mail server is now in the hands of the fbi according to "the washington post." a lawyer from the company that managed it turned it over with no subpoena or search warrant for the bureau and she added it's blank and contains no useful data. for the years clinton was secretary of state, the server lived in the clinton's basement according to the paper. but in 2013 after she left office, she brought on a colorado company to manage her private e-mail and according to the company the old server was moved to a third-party data

center set up to be secure from hacking and natural disasters. the information on it was migrated to a new server. meanwhile, lawyers for cheryl mills and huma abedin assured a federal judge yesterday that they would not erase any e-mails having to do with their time at state. clinton's team has tried to stem the damage with her communications director running a lengthy post yesterday saying this. this kind of nonsense comes with the territory of running for president. hillary didn't send any classified material over e-mail. hillary only used her personal account for unclassified e-mail. no information in her e-mails was marked classified at the time she sent or received them. she viewed classified materials in hard copy in her office or via other secure means while traveling. do you all feel comfortable with that? >> no. there are two things to separate

here. the classified material, you know, the question is whether she sent or received them, right, and whether they were classified at the time. she says she didn't. you know, there have been people lesser down the political food chain that mishandled classified information not knowingly and still gotten punished for it. there is a privilege that hillary clinton and other top politicians get because they're in positions of power where they aren't held to the same standards. i think the bigger issue almost is transparency. to be honest about it. it doesn't look good. for people in our profession who value transparency, it seems like she went out of the way to avoid requests and talk shop on private e-mail. >> jeremy peters, what question come to mind? >> i wonder how much this has an impact on the way people think about her in the sense that it's going to give a lot of ammunition and it's going to rile up the people who already hate her. one of the problems that republicans had in 2012 is they hated barack obama much more than the average swing voter

did. i think republicans in crafting their attacks against hillary on this issue need to be very careful and they need to not overplay their hand because if they do, it's just going to look like another benghazi. >> so, harold, and then matt, get ready. they are calling this nonsense. is it nonsense? >> you know, i think it's probably more nonsense than sense. for me the question i asked and i wonder if voters will ask, do you genuinely honest believe that hillary clinton would do something to hurt, harm, damage or threaten the country. most people would say, no, that's not what she would do. >> that's not the question. the question is would she use leverage inappropriately maybe for personal gain or to help out friends and perhaps would she do that with her foreign policy. that's the question. we'll never know because we don't have those e-mails. >> even so, that second

question -- i'm telling you the question i would ask and voters ultimate ultimately will is she doing something to hurt the country? i just -- whatever you want to say about the clintons, i don't see them doing -- i think the american people elected this guy twice. they elected her to the united states senate here in new york. she had a good job there. she's been appointed by the guy she ran against in a vicious and tough race for the presidency. you appoint her secretary of state. i don't imagine that people are thinking. ultimately they just mishandled this the campaign did. they should have turned this over much sooner. i don't think there's anything there. i don't think they believe that so the question is why not turn it over sooner and get beyond these questions. >> i agree with you on both those questions. here's the problem. i'm just wondering, what if this was -- trying to think of

someone on the right. donald rumsfeld or dick cheney. i would not answer those questions the same way. my world view, my ideology, my concerns, my fears about actions that they've taken or the approach they've taken to run this country would say i want to see those e-mails. that's wrong what you did. you need to be more transparent and i think you might have put our country in jeopardy. that's what i would say about somebody on the opposite side of the aisle running for president. i'm worried hillary clinton is completely exposed herself to similar, very fair questions. >> we asked howard dean that question yesterday who is a big supporter of hillary clinton. we said would you be equally as dismissive of this whole story if it were a republican or someone you weren't supporting? he said yes and talked around it. i think to harold's point, matt lewis, i don't think people are

accusing hillary clinton of plotting against the country or doing anything like that. they are accusing her of being reckless and being above the law with the way she assumed she could do something privately without clearing it or doing it the right way where another government agency or another government employee would never assume that kind of position. >> like john kerry who is in it now. >> first of all, i want to agree with everything you said so far. if this was dick cheney or don rumsfeld, this would be the dominant story and it would be, you know, a firestorm. the sharks would be circling. i would be calling them out. never mind what mainstream media would be saying and focusing on this. i also think that jeremy has a point here. i don't know that the american public is going to get into the weeds on knowing that, well, this opened us up to hacking or a lack of transparency. what i do think this does is underscore the reason people

vote for people. do i like this person? is this person like me? i think this reinforces the parsing, the victimhood that clintons have always been a part of. i think hillary seems like a phony. i think she seems like she's misleading us. i think ultimately it's not going to be the details of this but it's the way that hillary presents herself and just comes across as someone that's inauthentic and not trustworthy. >> it brings us back to trump and why he's resonating. you got it? i did that. i said that. yep. i said that. yeah. you' i know, it's kind of incredible. complete and utter nonfilter at this point because we're so tired of trying to read between the lines in terms of what's being said and what does that press release mean and what's hidden on both sides and

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it's kind of a pretty morning here in new york city. let's look at the morning papers at 26 past the hour. "the wall street journal" at least 44 people are dead after a pair of explosions rocked a warehouse with hazardous materials in china and cell phone video captured it from

multiple angles. 520 people are in the hospital. officials also believe some people are missing. several nearby buildings collapsed and hundreds of cars went up in flames. a man two miles away said "i thought it was another 9/11. it was like something out of a hollywood action movie." incredible video. >> from reuters, isis is claiming responsibility for a truck bombing in baghdad that killed at least 60 people and injured 200 more at a marketplace. no one has claimed responsibility but isis has been behind other recent attacks on shiite neighborhoods. a refrigerator truck was packed with explosives when it blew up. residents raced to help with some using their own cars to get victims to the hospital. meanwhile a croatian man

kidnapped by isis has been beheaded. he was abducted in cairo while working for a french oil and gas company. the prime minister cannot 100% confirm the man was killed but did say "it's not looking good." he's believed to be the first civilian taken hostage by isis in egypt and a sign the militant group is expanding its reach. governor chris christie is taking jeb bush to task for his speech on tuesday where he blamed president obama and hillary clinton for the rise of isis. >> this should have been handled by governor bush the same way it's been handled by the other candidates who understand how to do this, which is to say, listen, if we knew then what we know now, we wouldn't have gone into iraq period, end of discussion. there's no reason to go back and try to revidicate this but i'm

not running his campaign. former president jimmy carter announced to the world that he's battling cancer. the news comes nine days after carter underwent an elective operation to remove a small mass from his liver. however, in the brief statement he released yesterday the 39th president said the disease has now spread to other parts of his body. here's nbc's pete williams with more. >> reporter: in typical down to earth fashion, mr. carter announced the diagnosis himself saying that he had surgery earlier this month to remove a small mass on his liver. in a written statement, he said i have cancer that now is in other parts of my body. since he left the white house in 1981, he's done anything but retire. the very next year he founded the jimmy carter center in atlanta traveling the world to promote more democracy and better health care. he plunged himself into the work of habitat for humanity building houses for people in need in the u.s. and other countries.

he and his wife plan to travel to nepal in november to help build houses after the recent earthquake and helped work on plans for achieving peace in the middle east, brokered agreements to stop violence in africa and went to haiti to support the democratically elected government. because of those efforts and his work on the camp david middle east piece accords, he was awarded the nobel peace prize in 2002. earlier this year he published his 29th book. >> my wife and i have been lucky enough to be leaders of the carter center. we have a very extensive program promoting peace, enhancing democracy. it's adventurous. >> mr. carter will be rearranging his schedule so he can be treated by doctors at emery health care in atlanta. >> that was nbc's pete williams reporting. the white house said last night that president obama spoke with president carter by phone and

wished him a full and speedy recovery. president obama also released a written statement which reads, jimmy, you're as resilient as they come and along with the rest of america, we are rooting for you." my dad reflected on president carter's time in office in "the new york times" saying his work was characterized by "deep honesty and deep commitment, not posturing and a determination to avoid a needless spilling of blood." we wish him the best. we'll be following that. coming up, how realistic would a trump/sanders ticket be for 2016? we'll look at that together. we'll look at that scenario and what it would mean in the must read opinion pages. keep it here on "morning joe."

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having said that, breaking news claire mccaskill feels the burn. tweet that. >> have you heard the phrase feel the bern. they brought it up. it's time for the must read opinion pages. let's read this one from "usa today." trump/sanders 2016, you shake your head. you who puts trump in the entertainment section. >> it's possible. anything is possible. >> it's the ticket we deserve. hillary clinton has two worries. one, is that sanders might actually beat her in early primaries the way mccarthy beat lbj. the other concern is that even if sanders doesn't win, he'll leave clinton weakened for the general election. can sanders expand his appeal beyond the brunch set? they can comfort themselves the democrats have a similar problem. unless of course dissatisfaction

with the status quo really does lead to a trump/sanders 2016 independent ticket in which case both major parties will have the same problem. i don't see that happening. >> really? are you sure? >> i actually -- >> it's crazy enough. it just might happen. >> at this point, sam -- what's the volvo brunch set? >> it's you. >> i don't drive a volvo and i hate brunch. >> you have moments where you have unlikely candidates emerging. in '04, howard dean who is a friend of this show and a friend of all of ours, emerged. it was eventually john kerry. you had santorum and gingrich and ron paul emerging as serious forces in the republican party in '12 and ultimately it was romney. jesse jackson -- we can go back to '84 and '88 and look at those

moments when you had big voices and big people filling spaces and the favorite candidate ultimately won. i think hillary in some ways is helped by some of this because she's a stronger candidate when she's challenged. she's being challenged right now not only by sanders but by the press' notion she's not as strong a candidate as she want her to be. i think that jeb bush, who will emerge from the republican primary, will become a stronger candidate. >> i'm impressed that he made a really salient point out of that ridiculous comment. >> joe called me and said to try to do that. >> is matt lewis still with us? >> yes. >> good. "the washington post" why the rise of trump means death for the republican party. matt, help me out with this one. the hate fueled self-immolation

of the gop would be a laugh rye it's were the consequences not so dire. our democracy depends on a thriving two-party system where competing parties and the voices within -- >> i think some of that is true. i'm writing a book about what happened to the conservative movement. i think it got dumbed down in the years after ronald reagan and i think that some of reaping what we sow with donald trump. he supports single payer. until recently he was pro-choice.

he had a line in the debate about how he had this family he knew was going to have a baby and they were thinking about aborting it but that kid turned out to be a winner. now abortion is bad. i wonder what would happen if that kid turned out to be a loser. i think donald trump is very dangerous. it's a strain on the right that's not conservatism. it's a right-wing populism and i think it's dangerous. i'm optimistic that voters will look at electability. i don't think donald trump can beat hillary clinton but someone like marco rubio who can maybe be the guy who has an optimistic vision and talk about the american dream. i'm not ready to jump out the window quite yet. i think trump is dangerous. >> up next on "morning joe" -- >> one thing i like to remind people is back in 2007, rudy giuliani was leading the polls

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this about the current polling that we've been talking about this morning. go back to real clear politics averages about the iowa gop race from august 2011. polls were not predictive of the iowa results let alone the nomination. do you agree that your point is taken that donald trump is a little bit different than michele bachmann. >> i think polls today tell you something interesting about the republican mood or the iowa republican mood. i just caution people not to read too much into these results as a prediction of what's going to happen in iowa, what's going to happen with the nomination. you were running earlier a clip from jonathan capehart talking about how it spells doom for the party. that seems premature to me. >> what do you think is going on with donald trump? what caused his bubble to break?

at what point does this stop? >> two-thirds of the voters in the cnn poll that had everyone buzzing yesterday with trump in the lead say they're not committed definitely to any candidate so that's the beginning of potential problem for mr. trump. the other thing is right now people are thinking very vaguely about a choice that they are not going to have to make for several months. i think the key thing that happens is people get more serious about making an actual choice and not just a notional choice. when they actually think about should this man be commander in chief, i think that trump might not do as well as he's doing right now when it's more send a message time. >> i'm just listening to this, sam stein you can take it to jeremy instead of me -- we're now predicting when he's going to pop. when he's going to -- at what

point do we realize that we don't know. at what point -- go ahead. >> i think what's happening right now is we're in information vacuum. basically the only thing that we're talking about with respect to this race on the republican side at least is trump. he benefits from that. when you get closer to the election, people will advertise on people. you'll have a different way of viewing the candidates. there will be more in your face than just on cable news. i think that will affect the course of the race. jeremy has seen this in his own party. john kasich has been advertising in new hampshire. only candidate on air in new hampshire at this point. there's a reason why his poll numbers have gone up in new hampshire. i think that's it. are you picking up some of that same vibe? >> i have seen the ads myself. they are quite compelling. i think one of the points i would go back to though on trump's numbers is at this point in the race the polling is going to pick up a lot of these

candidates who have very name recognition. who has the highest name recognition of all right now in this field? donald trump. when you talk to people, they feel like they know him. that's unique here. they didn't know michele bachmann or rick perry or rick santorum. what they know of trump is he's a hard charging decisive leader and this character that he's portrayed on television and they say, hey, i hate the political system. i want somebody to smash it up and that guy i know from "the apprentice" can do that. how sustainable that is, i don't know. i stopped making predictions like i think a lot of us in the media should. we pretty much have been wrong every step of the way. >> let's make a prediction then. if donald trump is a red shiny ball who you believe he's going to go away at some point, who emerges? we have a lot of people lying in the weeds right now. >> the flip side of the people

who were ahead in august 2011 not going the distance, the guy that won the iowa caucus, santorum, he never cracked 5% in any of the august 2011 polls. so there is plenty of room for somebody to rise and there's plenty of time for the lead to change a couple times between now and when the first voting starts. i think that this is very much a wide open race and i can see rubio doing better than he did in that cnn poll. i can see jeb bush. i find it hard to picture him winning in iowa. i can see him doing significantly better than he's doing right now. people are just beginning to focus on this. this is not yet a front of the mind issue for most iowa republicans or most normal people who aren't on "morning joe" around the country. >> you suggest that we're not normal people. >> i'm sorry. we're not normal. >> good news is that we have 5 1/2 months to talk about it before a vote is cast.

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tom brady and roger goodell came face to face in a courthouse for the first time. after the hearing u.s. district judge richard berman said he had not made up his mind yet on which side should prevail legally in the stalemate over brady's four-game deflategate suspension. reporting from inside the courthouse revealed the judge may be skeptical about the hard evidence the league has on the reigning super bowl mvp. at one point judge berman reportedly asked the nfl's lawyer "what is the evidence of a scheme or conspiracy that covers the january 18th game? i'm having trouble finding it." that's from the judge. two sides return to court on august 19th if they don't negotiate a settlement before then. federal courts don't rely cameras so news outlets rely on sketch artists. this is brady in court. right side of your screen.

bottom of your screen. here's one by a veteran artist. this is tom brady on the right side. here it is side by side with the super bowl mvp. wow. >> nailed it. >> i'm going to defend the artist. artist. she was reflecting the mood. >> more of an abstract piece of art. >> stop. very good rendition. >> people having fun online. this is another one of classic painting "the scream." and perhaps best of all, "the brady bunch." at are theist of the sketch told new york daily news, tell tom brady i'm sorry. he's a very good looking man. i apologize. if i had more time i would have made him more handsome. >> jane, you're a beautiful artist. stop it. she did a good job. >> her interpretation of brady.

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>> if you won the presidency, would you still stay on twitter at 1:00 in the morning? >> probably less. it's amazing. i do get my point across. for years if somebody did bad stuff to me, i couldn't fight back. now i have @realdonaldtrump and i can tweet bad stuff about them and if people like it, it's all over the world. >> welcome back to "morning joe." that's definitely a strategy. sam stein, jeremy peters and matt lewis are still with us. joining the conversation, political writer for "the new york times," nicholas, who is the most powerful person in the republican party right now? >> i think it's trump. you would think who could take them on -- >> for is the most powerful person in the media right now? >> besides you? >> i think fox or rush limbaugh, right. in this primary, right. there were two institutions that

could have put a stop to trump, talk radio and fox. and talk radio likes him and fox backed down. >> who is the most powerful person in media again, nick? >> roger ales. he backed down. >> that answer seems like you're not saying the same thing. >> i think we are saying the same thing. there's three institutions i think in the republican party. there's talk radio. there's fox news. and i think trump by in large is coveted by all three and there was a moment there when he risked that relationship between fox news and fox news backed down. they didn't defend their anchor and brought him back on air. >> i think the answer to the question of who is the most powerful person in media would be donald trump. you didn't say that.

>> that was a trick question. >> we have issues, sam. >> this is not our morning. >> this is not our morning at all. actually it's because you are usually right there with the truth and today you're dancing around it. i don't get it. there's a lot of fear there or something. i'm concerned. so let's move forward. here's someone with no fear. senator claire mccaskill says there's no way donald trump will ever be president. >> he hasn't really said anything yet. there's no substance. he likes the women. he told me he's going -- he's great for women. he says the mexicans love him. the mexicans love him. the mexicans love him and china is terrible and he's as billionaire and by the way he's a billionaire and he can make deals and everybody else is stupid and dumb. if you're a woman, you're a dog or you're ugly or whatever. you know, i just don't think

even in the quest for eyes and ears and clicks that that's a sustainable model to be elected president of the united states. relax. sleep well tonight. you will not be talking about president trump in november of 2016. i promise. tell everybody claire promised donald trump will not be president. >> okay. >> let's go to iowa. a new poll of iowa shows donald trump firmly in the lead and new candidates surging as well. 22% of likely republican caucus goers choose trump while dr. ben carson pulls into second place six points ahead of former front runner scott walker. ted cruz and carly fiorina benefiting from strong debate performances. the poll also finds trump leading the field in iowa on who would best handle many of the top issues including the economy, immigration and terrorism. and when asked who was most likely to change the way washington works, trump stands

head and shoulders above the others. 44%. his closest competitor, ben carson, at 9%. let's go to chuck todd in washington, moderator of "meet the press." talk to me. what's going on? >> look at who has moved and who hasn't. it's the outsiders that moved. one consistent thing that you've seen in the polling this week post-debate has been not just trump sort of hanging in there but who has moved, fiorina, carson, cruz. in some form or another in some order. that can't be just a coincidence that we're seeing the outsiders first ones to pick up. >> kasich, personally as a candidate i like him a lot. do you think from the different data coming in, do you think he has a chance to get to the top tier? >> i think he's a made for new hampshire candidate. don't get me wrong. i do wonder -- i always wonder

this when we see in the media a collective rallying around one candidate and you don't see the base of the party reacting the same way. we saw that with kasich. a lot of critical acclaim if you want to look at it that way post-debate. we haven't seen it with rank and file voters yet. >> let me show you this. there's a feud between rand paul and donald trump. rand paul released a campaign ad highlighting what his campaign says are donald trump's troubling liberal policies. paul had more to say about trump while speaking in new hampshire, a lot more. >> now, people up there who say such profound things as you're stupid, you're fired, you're a pig. you look terrible. you only have half a brain. when you respond with an argument, you're stupid. or my favorite is the reason i tell women they're ugly is because i'm so good looking. everybody knows i'm good

looking, right? what was trump's position then? he was for the bailouts. obamacare became an all dominant issue for us for three or four years and still a dominant issue. what was his position? he's always been for single payer system and always been for obamacare. now he's changed these positions now that he's a republican but he used to always say that democrats were better at running things. >> so donald trump responded and he didn't just -- it wasn't just a little quip. it was a little bit different. he says this, rand paul is doing so poorly in the polls he has to revert to old footage of me discussing positions i no longer hold. unless you're a piece of unyielding granite, over the years positions evolve as they have in my case. ronald reagan became a conservative republican. >> recently rand paul called me and asked me to play golf.

i easily beat him on the golf course and will even more easily beat him in the world of politics. >> he says senator paul does not mention after trouncing him in golf i made a significant donation to the eye center with which he's affiliated. >> i feel sorry for the great people of kentucky who are being used as backup to senator paul's hopeless attempt to become president of the united states. rand should save his lobbyist and special interest money and just go quietly home. >> he goes on to say rand's campaign is a total mess and as a matter of fact i don't know he had anyone left in his campaign to make commercials no are not currently under indictment. that's a reference to two former aides charged with hiding secret payments to secure an endorsement for ron paul in 2012. chuck, are you bored? >> i was enjoying the reading. >> sam and i are having issues. we thought we would work together on something this morning. seriously, chuck, you take it to

the panel. i don't know what to ask people anymore. >> this is where -- this is one of trump's points. lindsey graham took me out and rick perry took me out and look where it got them and now rand paul wants to take them on. i understand why paul does. paul thought and cruz thought the same thing, they thought they would be anti-washington candidates and i think they can't believe what's happened to them. >> trying to picture in my head trump standing there dictating this statement at the top of his head to an aide. you know he stood there and just did this for five minutes. >> he probably did. >> i want to believe that he sits there and tweets them himself. >> i have a question for chuck. >> are you going to pierce that visual i have? >> chuck, i have a question for you on rand. i'm fascinated on why he hasn't caught traction at all here. i'm curious. his persona going into this was

the one republican who was not going to be the foreign policy hawk. he was going to be like his father more in the foreign policy front. and you really haven't picked that up as a defining theme for him so far in this campaign. i wonder if you sense that's the distinguishing factor that he lacks or regrets in his campaign over not doing that or if he's another republican because he won't show that difference. >> you hear that from ron paul acolytes that says rand paul is no ron paul and shying away from libertarian roots and trying too hard to be an acceptable republican to the rank and file donors and that focus has gotten him off of his message a little bit. what made him unique, what made him the one republican that was polling better against hillary clinton than anybody else, that he's somehow lost a piece of that. i think as good of a theory as any is an idea that he's gone

too conventional and he tried too hard to be conservative republican. >> i just wonder if -- one of the other things we're going to have been wrong about in terms of donald trump is that this is what i am and what i got. married three times. i've done that. i've said that. hands in the air. yep, this is me. i think you're a jerk, which seems kind of almost childlike and makes members of the intelligent elite cringe because we don't for some reason like it. i think that there's kind of a personal bias coming through. but bottom line is he doesn't stick to any establishment requirements. he doesn't pretend things don't exist. we have tons of candidates out there right now and for years we've been watching them who pretend things don't exist. literally. >> he talks like a normal person. >> like the e-mail thing. hillary clinton's campaign

pretends it doesn't exist. >> it's a guy who talks his own way and people relate to that. instead of sound bites and airbrush thing. >> he would say i scrubbed it because i didn't want you to see it. >> interestingly enough, the man who maybe has said the most insightful thing about the appeal of donald trump so far was donald trump himself. that's when he said the other day, look, there's a lot of love for what i'm saying. i don't know if that love is for me but a lot of love for what i'm saying. that hit on something that's unique about his candidacy. people who are fed up with the system who want to see the washington machine smashed are projecting onto donald trump the leadership qualities they think are needed to shake up washington. >> the other thing you just cannot discount on the right amongst conservatives is how sick they are, how sick we are

of political correctness. and if you just say i'm not going to be politically incorrect, that is worth 15 points right there alone. >> every person i talk to in michigan at this donald trump rally a couple days ago, i said why do you support donald trump? why do you think he's leading in the polls? i talked to 12 of them. they said because he's not politically correct. >> hillary clinton holds her lead in iowa a day after a shocking poll showed her following behind her democratic opponent in new hampshire. clinton has 50% to 31% for sanders. vice president joe biden in third. should joe biden decide not to run, clinton would largely inherit his support. the new poll comes as hillary clinton's old private e-mail server is now in the hands of the fbi according to "the washington post." a lawyer from the company who managed it turned it over with no subpoena or search warrant from the bureau.

and she added it's blank and contains no useful data. nick is laughing. for the years clinton was secretary of state the server lived in the clinton's basement, according to the paper. in 2013 after she left office, she brought on a colorado company to manage her private e-mail and according to the company, the old server was moved to a third-party data center set up to be secure from hacking and natural disasters. the information on it was migrated to a new server. meanwhile, lawyers for cheryl mills and huma abedin assured a federal judge yesterday they would not erase any e-mails having to do with their time at state. clinton's team tried to stem the damage with her communications director writing in a lengthy post yesterday that this kind of nonsense comes with the territory of running for president. she added hillary didn't send any classified materials over e-mail.

hillary only used her personal account for unclassified e-mail. no information in her e-mails was marked classified at the time she sent or received them. she viewed classified materials in hard copy in her office or via other secure means while traveling. and a new poll shows the political toll about half polled says e-mails should be subject to investigation over the potential release of classified information and while the same number say it was just a matter of convenience, 38% of people believe clinton was hiding something. the poll also shows her favorables upside down by ten points. chuck todd, unpack all this. kind of feel like it backs up the point i was making about trump. i just -- i think i went on for three minutes there trying to tell this story. >> you did. mika, please, we all knew this moment was coming. six months ago at some point the server was going to end up in

the hands of somebody and why they made it so that it got dragged out of them rather than early on them being pro-active, you know, this is now going to do nothing to help her politically. nothing to help sort of get rid of the taint that they were looking for something to hide and instead it looks like that they are reluctantly cooperating with an investigation. they're not happy about it. but all right. here you go. here it is. by the way, it's blank. good luck. they could have done this six months ago. >> can i point out the spin? the spin is if you read what clinton staffers are putting out, they're saying this is nonsense. they are playing it up as if it's a partisan witch-hunt like the vast right wing conspiracy. this is the obama administration's ig, the obama administration's justice department, the obama

administration's fbi looking into this and the clinton campaign is playing it up as if somehow newt gingrich is somehow secretly behind this. unbelievable. >> yeah. if the fbi is looking into your handling of e-mail, like it's bad news. you can't spin that. it's the fbi and they have your e-mail server and they wanted it. now it's blank. >> i'm just going to read the news. republican presidential candidates were quick to make hay over the slew of reports on hillary clinton's e-mail server. >> and then you have hillary clinton who is the secretary of state dealing with confidential information with classified information thinking it was okay to use a private server? thinking that her server would be safer than the state department's firewalls. we need a president that recognizes that there are threats in the 21st century that are dramatically different than the threats of 30 years ago. >> whether she's in legal trouble or not, if people are paying attention, they recognize

that someone in her position who doesn't realize that they are putting the nation's security at risk by doing what they're doing. how in the world are you going to turn the keys over to them? are you kidding me? >> if hillary clinton does in fact prove to have given out top secret e-mails and made those available and sent them to anyone, it's going to be real hard for her to have a consequence that would be much less than that of david petraeus or a crime he was actually convicted and sentenced. >> sam stein, so if hillary clinton -- hillary clinton wins the nomination, i would vote for her. but how does she get there with this sort of -- how does that happen? how do you have a private e-mail server as secretary of state and

scrub it and think that's going to be okay? it's not nonsense. i said about my vote to explain that it isn't them that we just heard from because that's going to happen when she's on the big stage if she's fighting a republican opponent for presidency. how does this happen? what's the explanation for this that makes it real? >> it's one of the great lingering questions around all of this which is at what point do you decide that you want a strictly personal e-mail account for your public business and what was the reasoning behind it. we can speculate. my guess is that she either wanted to talk politics or she wanted to avoid freedom of information act requests. clearly the price that she's paying for that decision is enormous. i think we can debate whether it will affect her in a primary election, general election, but for months now we've been talking about this e-mail setup

that she had and there's still lingering questions. mike huckabee may have gone a little bit ahead of himself there. clinton has said definitively she never knowingly sent classified information on her e-mail server. if it comes out in the course of this investigation that she did, that would be incredibly damaging. >> to my point, chuck todd, this is candidates pretending things don't exist. you're going to tell me something doesn't exist. i'm going to believe you. and you think the american public is that stupid? that's very insulting. >> not only that, she's wasted this whole summer allowing this to be sitting in the background. they could have been fully transparent right from the start and handed over this server immediately and looking back it looks even sillier now that they held this back. you know, their rationale before

was, well, you know, this is sort of the if you give a mouse a cookie aspect to the benghazi committee. now that they've turned it over, they're not getting any benefit for transparency. this thing just continues to linger. when you really look back at this thing, this really has been a poorly handled issue all summer long. it's been just sitting there like this dark cloud hovering over the campaign. >> they surrounded her and did not let her interact. she decided not to interact for a long period of time and interacts only very carefully. something like this, you got to get right in there. give it to me. i'm sorry. it was a mistake. this happened. we did it this way. we regret it. >> she's going to go in front of the committee in the fall and -- >> it will look terrible. you've managed a campaign and haven't done a good job helping

to put this behind hillary clinton. you haven't. now the fbi is involved. >> there's a very obvious answer to why they used a private e-mail server. to keep their e-mails private. and everyone knows that. it's obvious. so just say that. acknowledge it. >> instead of it's for convenience. it's not so convenient now by the way. >> chuck todd, thank you. i'm frustrated by this. she could be an incredibly strong candidate. she's got -- >> you're speaking for a lot of people that feel the same way. >> could make history. still ahead on "morning joe," senator claire mccaskill says she's willing to shotgun a beer again. that's the special occasion that would make her do it and who she hopes will join her for that. we'll explain that coming up. plus, polls show governor john kasich is quickly gaining ground in the granite state and he just picked up a very key endorsement. the man behind that endorsement joins us next on "morning joe." hi my name is tom. i'm raph.

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been unsuccessful in severing the umbilical cord. >> it's the most critical primary that new hampshire has faced. >> we know if we win this primary, there isn't anything that can stop us from winning the nomination. >> that was political activist tom rath. this week he endorsed ohio govern john kasich and joins us now from new hampshire. you are co-chair of governor kasich's new hampshire campaign. great to have you with us this morning. >> thank you. nice to be here. >> governor kasich clearly got a bit of a bump in new hampshire out of a performance that a lot of people thought was good a week ago at the debate in cleveland in his home state. he's been criticized though by conservatives within the party who point to his medicaid expansion among other things. what kind of republican or

conservative is john kasich in this field? >> i would argue that john kasich is probably the longest actual record of a conservative republican of anyone in this race back to when he went to congress with the goal of balancing the federal budget and nothing more conservative than that and he got it done and went back to ohio and turned that state around economically and in terms of where the government spending has gone. the medicaid decision is one that every governor has to make within the context of their own state. the core philosophy, small government, responsible government, and giving people the right to grow and lead profitable and important lives for themselves. that's the essence of conservatism. >> if you look at this latest poll from "the boston herald" in new hampshire a state you know as well as anybody, governor kasich is there tied with jeb bush in second place not far behind donald trump actually. what is kasich's appeal in new hampshire given the way you know the state?

>> first of all, i tend to take all polls at this point a little bit with more than one grain of salt. john kasich's appeal here as it will be wherever he goes is his openness, his inclusiveness, his optimism, and his proven track record. i think that he's the kind of candidate that has a candidacy that can grow and the narrative that's coming out of the debate last week and comments he made and the way people reacted to it, that feeds what he's doing on the ground in terms of an aggressive town meeting getting out to meet people kind of event. we had one yesterday and the reaction that people are having to him, you have a feeling there's movement behind this campaign. whether those poll numbers are right, isn't really important right now. >> tom, so kasich has struck a softer tone on climate change and gay rights, gay marriage and the last guy who charted that course was jon huntsman.

how does he avoid being jon huntsman of the race and instead be george bush of the race, kinder, gentler republican in the field. >> you got an extraordinary track record with john kasich. he's won 11 straight general elections in a tough state as a congressman and as governor. i think his consistency on economic issues on how he treats people is remarkable. i think -- i don't -- i think you make a mistake if you try to always put this race in the context of earlier races. this race exists within its own boundaries and with its own context. while the other things are stri instructive, they're not defining. >> tom rath, thank you for being with us. i'm sure we'll see you up there soon. >> thank you. look forward to it. pilots, commercial airline

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police officer in america? "time" magazine spent several weeks with one of the country's biggest departments to find out. that's next on "morning joe." what do you think of when you think of the united states postal service? exactly. that's what pushes us to deliver smarter simpler faster sleeker earlier fresher harder farther quicker and yeah, even on sundays. what's next? we'll show you.

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the federal aviation administration is cracking down on the number of drone sightings by pilots in flight dramatically increased this year. the agency's message to recreational drone users, if you use them around airplanes or helicopters, it's not just a safety hazard, it's also illegal. >> according to newly released faa reports, there's been 650 sightings so far this year compared to 238 in 2014.

>> the people that are flying drones professionally like law enforcement and this kind of thing, they go by the rules. the hobbyists, they don't care. >> the news comes after a close call on wednesday where a drone almost hit a medical helicopter carrying a patient in fresno, california. >> we almost got hit by a drone. >> it was probably about 15 feet from the actual aircraft. >> last sunday the pilots of four commercial airplanes reported seeing a drone during final approach at newark airport. the latest in a series of similar incidents at new york area airports. >> drone reported off to the right side. >> we'll watch for a drone. >> while firefighters battling this season's historic blazes in the west have had to ground operations several times because of unmanned aircraft. >> we're trying to get this

drone thing situated. >> the results could be catastrophic. >> the rules for recreational drone users include flying below 400 feet and more than five miles away from any airport. clearly people don't know these rules or they're flaunting the rules. as you said, you hear about bird strikes. it's a matter of time before we have one of these going in an engine. to the new issue of "time" magazine, joining us now, the deputy managing editor. good to see you. it's been a while. this week's cover story, what it's like to be a cop in america. really, really, really important side of the story that sometimes has gotten swallowed up in the headlines the other side over the past year. so you embedded yourself for a long period of time or how would you -- how did you go about reporting on this? >> we tried to find a department that would let us hang out with cops for a while.

>> it was hard, right? >> it's a sensitive time. >> they feel under siege. >> they've been on the other side of things. everything that happened in the last year, it's had the affect of inverting the usual assumptions of who is the good buy or bad guy. cops are used to being the good guys. >> what did you find? >> i didn't find a lot of complaining but i found a lot of cops are cops. they kind of expect to be watched. they wear uniforms. they carry guns. the most conspicuous person in the room. used to scrutiny. this is a heightened level. and they think there are operational people. they say all these cameras that come out every time they go somewhere are altering the situation and make a volatile situation that everybody is trying to avoid now of being something skewing out of control and have a confrontation. >> are you saying there's a

whole other side to the body camera issue that perhaps we haven't talked about enough and what are those? >> cops like -- they like body cams. they like -- the concern of the cops that i talked to in west philly is cameras come out and they catch only the very end of a confrontation, of an encounter. they don't see why what's happening is happening and so they say if it's a body cam they'll see the entire -- >> there's the issue, willie, of sometimes one angle is not the whole story. we know from working with video over decades that even when we're in the edit room trying to tell a story for evening news, you have to be mindful of what you're looking at and making sure it actually represents what happened. >> context matters.

something happened before the arrest. something probably happened after the arrest. >> or around another angle. >> you do write here talking about assumptions made and what changes something else, assumption of who is good and who is bad. a lot of police officers say, wow, i took on this job. i don't make as much money as i would like to make. when i go out on patrol, i'm putting myself in the line of fire. i could never see my family again when i walk out the door every day. now i'm the bad guy? >> where i was working in west philly, which has some hardcore inner city streets, and they're kind of used to being seen as villain there is and the heavies. this wasn't a huge change for them. as i say, they had a question about things becoming more dangerous, more tactically difficult. one thing they do point out that cameras do is the same way that everyone points a camera at them

so they assume everything they are constantly on the internet and everything will be recorded and that it may alter their behavior or try to be the best selves every day and the same is true for people they're encountering. they say that will change. >> there's a protective aspect of it for everybody concerned. it's hard to deny that we live in an era of increasing transparency whether it's your e-mail server or the body cam, this is not an incident that can be turned back. for the police around the nation, the idea is, like, okay, i agree that things need to change and we need to be more open in our conversations between the police and the community and if body cams are going to help people do that and make them more comfortable, bring it on. that's great. >> a year after ferguson the decision to put this angle on the cover, was there discussion at the editorial table? >> it was a lot of discussion. a story we've been working on

for a long time. to us it's not an angle. it's the same story. you can't have a conversation about police behavior under scrutiny and not talk to the police about it. they're the ones that have the capacity to change the training, the interactions, the nature of those incidents. so i think for us, this is the story. >> there's also this contradiction i think just about new york city where mayor de blasio has taken stop and frisk away and you hear a lot of cops say that's fine. we hope it helps with some harassment problems of people of color that's been going on and at the same time you'll have more crime and you might have to live with that. did you see that contradiction in philly at all? >> in philly, there's a lot of traffic stops. they don't do stop and frisk but a lot of traffic stops, not a lot of tickets written but they are screening drivers in a high-crime neighborhood and they get people who are wanted on warrants and this and that. every one of those encounters is fraught.

i have worked as a war corresponde correspondent. there's a lot of guns in philly. not a lot of guns in new york. there's lot of guns in philly. it's a hunting state with the fifth largest city in the country around the corner. i describe in the story a case where the guy got out and ran but he had a gun, .45 tucked with a handle visible and cops say did you take a picture. judges never believe that there's a gun like right there. there was just a level of hazard in there every day encounters that surprised me. >> so also in the new issue of "time" magazine, claire mccaskill says there's one another incident she'll shotgun a beer. >> if hillary clinton is elected in 2016, i hope you take that page of the magazine out and bring it to claire mccaskill. >> in my aol talk with her yesterday, she actually showed me how. first of all, everyone on the

set last week tried to show me. claire had it down. we'll run that as well. when hillary wins -- >> a key in a keystone or whatever. >> she had it down. she taught the millennial audience how to do it. the new issue of "time" magazine is on newsstand now. our next guest's new book reminder of how crazy people were in the 1960s and '70s. do we need to be reminded? there's crazy now. author and longtime contributor to "new yorker" william finnegan joins us to talk about his new memoir and how crazy he was 40 years ago. keep it right here on "morning joe." [ male announcer ] eligible for medicare?

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50 past the hour. joining us now, longtime contributor to the new yorker and acclaimed author william finnegan. he's out with his latest book "barbarian days" a surfing life. a memoir about his love of surfing and the pursuit for the perfect wave. the pursuit for the perfect wave. did you ever find it? have you found it? >> on the one hand, there's no such thing. this explosion at the long chain of action and reaction. on the other hand, we kind of did. the centerpiece in the book where a friend and i find a wave in an uninhabited island in

fiji. these were the best i have ever seen. >> can you describe what it is to experience the perfect wave, the detail. what is it like? >> every wave is different. you have to learn it. that spot, for instance, was very shallow and very quick. so it was a matter of learning how to make it without disaster. and that took a few weeks. and ironically, it was on my backhand, you surf with one foot forward or another. i see a picture. >> that would be you. >> learning how to do it is part of it. in case of that wave, you get to this point where you know from experience you're just about to fall off and you remain in that spot for, feels like, you know, minutes. you just stay right there. >> what's the mindset as it's happening? >> trying to stay calm. try to take it all in and do everything you need to do to come out in one piece at the end. >> david ignatius of the

"washington post" is a good friend of our show. read the book and says it celebrates the inner barbarian of all of us. he said realizing finnegan is a world-class surfer is learning that tom friedman is a scratch golfer or buffett is a surfer. there are times where we're best when we're reckless, risk taking, wave riding, obsessive. what keeps you pursuing the perfect wave? what is it about this sport, this endeavor that keeps you moving and trying to find one better than the last? >> i say at thisige, it's less that. it's -- i mean, getting in the water, i'm more grateful than ever now for a really good day in the water. it's more than i come back with some back to my grown-up life as a reporter, with some

uncivilized part of my self sort of fed and refurbished. i think my days of finding remote undiscovered waves may be over. >> you in july had a scary encounter. a great white, was it? >> it wasn't me. there was a -- not a really an attack, but an encounter. i actually watched it live. >> the live tv program. >> right, during a contest in south africa. >> crazy. >> yeah. there it is, yeah. >> he says he punched the shark. >> kind of disappears behind the wave. you can't see what's going on. you could see splashing, quite terrifying to watch. >> have you ever had a run-in like that? >> nothing that close. >> aren't you always looking for the next one? even if you and your friend found the perfect one in fiji? >> yes, yes. and some winter days even around new york city, you find it. yeah, it's horribly cold. you need a good wet suit, like

on the jersey shore. the right south swell, the southwest wind, and hardly any people. >> why this pursuit? i have never surfed so i don't know what it's like. >> sam doesn't get this. >> i'm willing to figure out what it is that, you know, that you gravitate today waves for? >> well, it helps if you grow up in the water. i was a kid in southern california and hawaii. spent a lot of time body surfing and you sort of work up to surfing. it's more about reading waves. certainly in the early years than riding it. you have to understand what waves are doing. it becomes obsessive to understand it, to sort of react creatively and intelligently to what you understand. and be able to surf it. but surfing is ill described as a sport. there is a competitive part of it which very, very few surfers participate in or are interested in, but what you're actually after, you asked is this kind of

i want to call it a kind of drenching experience of beauty. i mean, it really starts to not look like a sport at all at the pinnacle that you're trying to get to. >> before we let you go, best surfing movie is? >> endless summer. mid-'60s documentary. >> wrong. "point break." >> the book is barbarian days, a surfing life. it's available now. william finnegan, thank you very much. nice to meet you. congratulations on the book. coming up at the top of the hour, one of the most sought after items in the country is now in the hands of the fbi. why hillary clinton's campaign is already doing damage control over her e-mail server. plus, another day, another poll with donald trump on top. but we'll look at the candidates who are within striking distance in iowa. and breaking news overnight in iraq. the latest on a deadly truck bombing that left dozens dead at

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he hasn't really said anything yet. there's no substance. he likes the women. he told me -- he supports the women. >> -- great for women. >> he's great for women. the mexicans love him. he says the mexicans love him. the mexicans love him. and you know, that china's terrible. and he's a billionaire, and by the way, he's a billionaire, and he can make deals. and everybody else is stupid and dumb. and if you're a woman, you're a dog or you're ugly or whatever. you know, i just don't think

even in the quest for eyes and ears and clicks, that that's a sustainable motto to be elected president of the united states. relax, sleep well tonight. you will not be talking about president trump in november of 2016. i promise. just tell everybody claire promised, donald trump will not be president. >> okay, we'll just put the iowa polls aside then. should we? because that doesn't match what claire is saying. that was claire mccaskill and me yesterday. we're talking about her new book "plenty ladylike" but it went off the rails about trump and a few other things as well. welcome to "morning joe." with us, senior political editor and white house correspondent for the "huffington post," sam stein. and msnbc political analyst and professor at the university of michigan school of public policy. >> go blue. >> harold ford jr. in washington, "new york times" reporter jeremy peters. >> go blew. i'm also a michigan guy.

>> i didn't know that, jeremy. you have risen in my eyes. >> senior contributor for the daily caller, matt lewis joins us as well. okay. >> can i get an anchor down for vanderbilt? no? >> sure. >> nevermind. let's go to iowa. actually, we have a lot of news to cover. new polls out of iowa, post-debate poll, shows donald trump firmly in the lead. and the new candidate surging, 22% of likely republican caucusgoers choose trump while dr. ben carson pulls into second place at 14%. six points ahead of scott walker. ted cruz and carly feoroana also apparently benefitting from strong debate performances. trump also leading the field in iowa on who could best handle many of the top issues including economy, immigration, and

terrorism. when asked who was most likely to change the way washington works, trump stands head and shoulders above the others. 44%. his closest competitor, ben carson, at 9%. i have more of him talking unless anyone wants to comment on the polls. anyone surprised? >> we talked the morning after. we sat in flannery's pub in cleveland. people said he was going to go downhill. we both said people who liked trump watches the debate and saw exactly what they liked. he said screw politicians, screw the media, screw political correctness. this is who i am, what i represent. if you like him, i don't know what his ceiling is there, but that percentage, whether it's 22 or 25% of people, love donald trump and like what they saw in the debate. >> from what i hear, they feel he was viciously targeted. >> this is like will ferrell in the campaign where he punches a baby and his poll numbers go up.

there's nothing he can say to make the poll numbers go down, precisely because of what you're talking about. what i thought was the interesting fundamental part of the poll, the candidates are doing well, all of them have no affiliation with washington. if you add up the top three percentages for trump, carson, and fiorina, that's 32% of the vote. there's clearly an anti-washington sentiment in the republican party right now. >> matt lewis, what does this say about the other candidates? >> obviously, they're not getting the job gdone. the real question is, look, you can't question that the donald trump funaphenomenon is real. you can't question there's this outsider populist thing happening. you look at ben carson and trump leading the pack. i think the real question is, is this a temporary phenomenon. are people dating donald trump but he's not the kind of girl you want to bring home to mom.

when it comes down, the responsibility of electing a president comes around, do voters all of a sudden become more responsible and harken back to a slightly more traditional paul tiz, or is this a new normal and i don't know the answer to that. >> put that number back up again. jeremy, harold, both of you just quick comment, what does that number tell you? because to me, that's, jeremy, the number to look at. that's stunning. >> i spent the last couple days talking to trump supporters. i was with him in michigan. they all say a few things in common. one, they say they feel voiceless in this political system and donald trump's voice, as loud as it is, will carry for them. they loathe political leaders and who loathes them more than trump? the number i would point out is 66% of people in this poll said that they were still on the fence. they don't know who they're going to vote for, even though

trump would be their first choice as of now. that's what we have to watch. this is still a very unsettled field. donald trump has given these people a lot to vote against. not quite enough to vote for just yet. >> harold, quick. >> just to echo matt's point. people want change in washington. we criticize barack obama. people have, because they believe he did not understand how washington worked and he couldn't work with democrats and republicans. if that is a concern of voters, it's unlikely, as much as i understand the appeal to donald trump, i can't imagine him going to washington and working well with people right away with him calling people stupid and incapable and incompetent. if you're watching this and you're a candidate on the republican side, you have to wonder, how do i show i can change washington while showing i can work with washington as well, which is what people want more. >> let's listen to the candidate. we have more news to get to, but he made news last night. donald trump talked more about how he would handle the oval office, including how he would use social media.

>> if you won the presidency, would you still stay on twitter? would you be out there at 1:00 in the morning tweeting? >> probably a little less, but it's amazing. i get my point across. for years, if somebody did bad stuff to me, i couldn't fight back. now i have at will donald trump and i can tweet bad stuff about them. if people like it, it's all over the world. >> trump also talked about the people he listens to and where he gets his advice. >> my children are very smart. and you know ivanka, how smart. >> i know eric, i known donald jr. >> ivanka came to me the other day, very interesting. the whole thing with megyn kelly. in theory, it's not a big deal, but she said dad, you love women. you cherish women. she said that, she used the word cherish. you respect women. you have so many women working for you, probably more women executives than male executives. she said, dad, you've got to let people know how much you adore

women, how you'll take care of them. >> and trump may be ready to promote women to high-level positions in the executive branch. yesterday, he told the "chicago sun times" he'll quote strongly consider a female running meate if he wins the nomination. >> good for him. >> he's going to be around longer than we're giving him credit. to your point right after the debate, he says not only what people are thinking but what people wish they were thinking as well. not about the abortion thing and about the immigration thing or veterans matter, but he says things that people want to hear said. i'm not sure he'll end up being able to choose a running mate, but at the same time -- >> you think? >> we have to be careful to count him out because americans, they want something -- >> i don't think you sound like the people who are on our set a few months ago, including you and you. >> i never said that.

>> i just think that we treat them, again, i think we treat him with a bit more seriousness than he deserves as someone who comments about rapist mexicans and makes fun of john mccain's service. >> is he still on the media page on the "huffington post." >> entertainment page. >> you don't cover him on the front page? >> on the front page as entertainment. i will say this, we obsess over these polls. >> that's a mistake. >> you know what the polling number was three weeks before iowa, guess who was in the lead by 13 points. newt gingrich. 13 points ahead of mitt romney. >> a former speaker of the house. >> but let's just take a breath. it's fun to conjure up images of trump in his pajamas tweeting in the oval office. >> we didn't ignore newt gingrich. >> i'm not saying ignore trump. there are bigger themes we can derive. >> he's winning in all the concrete, clear, legitimate

polls. hey, sam, why don't you put newt gingrich on your front page? there are a few other candidates you could put on your entertainment page. what's the decision? >> he's using this platform to build his brand. >> it's kind of arrogant and condescending. >> we'll talk later about this. >> how do you explain, he makes the comwant he made about mexicans, the comment about veterans. >> i don't know if i disagree with you, but he made the comment to megyn kelly, took on the most popular host on fox news in one of the biggest cable news networks in the country. how do you explain getting beyond this and still being ahead. i agree with you. >> i think there's a fundamental conversation happening in the republican party about whether the establishment has been good for the republican party. the biggest thing i think happened, the biggest debate last month was between ted cruz and mitch mcconnell over the

managing, and cruz made the point, essentially, we elected republicans to lead congress, and they haven't done a good job. i think trump is essentially echoing that sentiment, which is we have these republican leaders, this republican media establishment, and they fail at every turn. i don't think necessarily it's about trump. it's about a message. >> that's news. the feud between rand paul and donald trump has reached new heights. yesterday, rand paul released a campaign ad highlighting what his campaign says are donald trump's, quote, troubling liberal policies. paul had more to say about trump while speaking in new hampshire. >> we have now people up there who say such profound things as, you're stupid. you're fired. you're a pig. you look terrible. you only have half a brain. and then when you respond with an argument, it's like, you're stupid. my favorite is, the reason i tell women they're ugly is because i'm so good looking. everybody knows i'm good

looking, right? what was trump's position then? he was for the bailouts. barack obama became an all dominant issue for us, still is a dominant issue. what was his position? he's always been for a single-payer system. always win for obamacare. now he's changed these positions. now that he's a republican. but he used to always say the democrats were better at running things. >> obviously, donald trump let that line -- >> we move on now. >> donald trump responded. >> no. >> what? >> i have news to get to. this is entertainment. >> trump said this. rand paul is doing so poorly in the polls, he has to revert to old footage of me discussing positions i no longer hold. unless you're a piece of unyielding granite, over the years positions evolve as they have in my case. ronald reagan was a liberal with a bent who became republican. he went on, recently, rand paul called me and asked me to play

golf. i easily beat him on the golf course and i will even more easily beat him now in the world of politics. he doesn't mention after trouncing him in golf, i made a significant donation to the eye center with which he's affiliated. i feel sorry for the great people of kentucky who are being used as a backup to senator paul's hopeless attempt to become president of the united states. paul should go quietly home. let me catch my breath. rand's campaign is a total mess. as a matter of fact, i didn't know he had anybody left in his campaign to make commercials who were not currently under indi indictment. >> i mean, it's like -- >> very straightforward. >> that's it right there. >> that is -- that is just an eviscerating, drilling down, double down. i mean, just don't -- >> as roger stone said here the

other day, donald trump is really enjoying this campaign. >> exactly. >> he sat at home last night and crafted that statement. >> yeah. >> press secretary write that down? >> all caps. >> up next on "morning joe," one witness says it looked like another 9/11 or a scene from "godzilla." the latest on the huge explosions that rocked a chinese warehouse and left dozens dead. >> also ahead. >> all about climbing. all about climbing the cracks. you don't see any here. >> we hit these totally blank sections of rock, and i was sure there wasn't anywhere else to go. but then jimmy or conrad would launch into the void. >> we'll talk to world-class climber jimmy chin and best selling author john krakow about

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quote, i thought it was another 9/11. it was like something out of a hollywood action movie, like godzilla. incredible video. >> from reuters, isis is reportedly claiming responsibility for a truck bombing in baghdad that killed at least 60 people and injured 200 more. this happened at a marketplace. officials say a refrigeratored truck was packed with explosives when it blew up. residents raced to help with some using their own cars to get victims to the hospital. meanwhile, a croatian man kidnapped by isis three weeks ago reportedly has been beheaded. a father of two was abducted in cairo while working for a french oil and gas company. croatia's prime minister said he cannot 100% confirm the man was killed, but did say, quote, it's not looking good. he is believed to be the first civilian taken hostage by isis in egypt and it's the latest sign the militant group is expanding its reach. republican presidential candidate and governor chris christie is taking jeb bush to

task for his speech tuesday where he blamed president obama and hillary clinton for the rise of isis. >> listen, this should have been handled by governor bush the same way it's been handled by any of the other candidates who understand how to do this, which is to say, listen. if we knew then what we know now, we wouldn't have gone into iraq, period, end of discussion. there's no reason to go back and try to relitigate this. it's bad decision making by governor bush. but i'm not running his campaign. >> well. moving on now to some sad news. former president jimmy carter has announced to the world he's battling cancer. the news comes nine days after carter underwent an elective operation to remove a small mass from his liver. however, in the brief statement he released yesterday, the 39th president said the disease has now spread to other parts of his body. here's nbc's pete williams with more. >> in typical down to earth

fashion, mr. carter announced the diagnosis himself, saying that he had surgery earlier this month to remove a small mass on his liver. in a written statement, he said, i have cancer that now is in other parts of my body. since he left the white house in 1981, he's done anything but retire. the very next year, he founded the jimmy carter center in atlanta, traveling to world to promote more democracy and better health care. he plunged himself into the work of habitat for humanity, building houses for people in need in the u.s. and other countries. he and his wife planned to travel to nepal in november to help build houses after the recent earthquake. he helped work on plans for achieving peace in the middle east. brokered agreements to stop violence in south africa and went to haiti to support the democratically elected government. because of those effort and his work on the peace accords, he was awarded the nobel peace prize. earlier this year, he released his 29th book.

>> my wife and i have been luckily enough to be leaders of the center. we have a very extensive program promoting peace, enhancing democracy, it's adventurous, and i have to say it's gratifying and exciting for us to do that. >> mr. carter says he'll now be rearranging his schedule so he can be treated by doctors at emery health care in eleatlanta. >> that was pete williams reporting. the white house said last night president obama spoke with president carter by phone and wished him a full and speedy recovery. president obama also released a written statement which reads in part, quote, jimmy, you are as resilient as they come, and along with the rest of america, we're rooting for you. my dad reflected on president carter's time in office in the "new york times," saying his work was characterized by, quote, deep honestly, deep commitment, not posturing and avoiding a needless spilling of blood. we wish him the best.

we'll be following that. coming up on "morning joe," democratic presidential candidate martin o'malley joins us live from iowa. we'll ask him about the legal questions he's now raising about his party's debates and his claims that the dnc is trying to crown hillary clinton. and willie, you have a special announcement this morning concerning the global poverty project. >> very exciting, one of the year's biggest concerts about to get bigger. for the first time, we can reveal the lead host of the 2015 global citizen festival in new york's central park. we know the headlining acts, pearl jam, beanssi, ed sheeran, coldplay. joining them, stephen colbert, salma hayek, debra lee, and hugh jackman, kerry washington, and olivia wilde. part of the effort to end extreme poverty. i'll be co-hosting the live simulcast along with alex wagner, thomas roberts will be

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democratic presidential candidate martin o'malley. good to have you onboard. >> thank you, good to be with you. >> we were in cleveland. we had debbie wasserman schultz on talking about the democratic debate. she said they're fair, they're not a coronation. i also see these debates as a way for guys like you to shine. do you think the way it's planned is fair? >> i don't think it's fair. i think that the people of new hampshire deserve more than one debate before they make their decision. i think the people of iowa deserve more than one debate, and i think for the dnc to try to insert itself into this process to try to shut off debate is a terrible disservice to the process and most importantly to the american people. i mean, we face a lot of big challenges as a country, and our party actually has solutions to these challenges. and we need to have robust debates. we should stop delaying the debate schedule. we should get our candidates on the stage and let the people see what each of us has to offer in

way of ideas to get our country forward. >> how many debates would you like to see? >> certainly, there must be a happy medium between the 20 debates we had last time and the one that the dnc would like to restrict iowa to, the one they would like to restrict new hampshire to. i would think three debates in both of those early states would be a lot preferable to limiting it to just one debate. what if we come to as a party, mika, where we can only afford one debate in new hampshire before this decision? it's ridiculous. i'm going to go to as many debates as i can. i'm here in iowa today. we're rolling out 15 goals for our country that will rebuild the american dream. get incomes to go up again, increase average families' median income in the united states, over the next -- by 25% over over the next ten years. these are the things like

dent-free college, clean energy future. these are the actions and proposals that will move our country forward and help american families. that's what the debates should be about. >> those are definitely the issues i would love to hear debated between the democratic candidates in terms of what their different paths to a solution are, minimum wage would be another one. yet the headline this morning for the democratic front runner is the e-mail server is snow in the hands of the fbi. what do you make of this ongoing saga or coverage or nonsense, as the clinton campaign would call it, pertaining to hillary clinton's e-mail? >> well, i think it underscores why we need to have conversations and need to start having our debate within the democratic party about the ideas that will actually create jobs, get incomes to go up, make our country safer. all of this stuff about the e-mail server and the top secret e-mails and all of this -- these are not the ideas that excite

the electorate. these are not the ideas that spark the imagination of the american people or allow them to see their own family's future in the solutions and the ideas and the broader story that we have to offer as a party. look, we were teetering on the brink of a second great depression eight years ago. our country is now creating jobs. but we still have work to do when 70% of us are earning the same or less than we were ten years ago. and these are the issues we should talk about. not secretary of state's e-mails and those rules. we should talk about the ideas. >> one more and then i'll give it to you guys. just curious. are we doing a bad job by not asking about the e-mails? you think it's not a story? >> i think that the democratic party is doing a bad job by trying to foreclose debates, postpone debates, limit debates to just one before iowa and one before new hampshire. you have to ask the questions

you have to ask, and secretary clinton and her lawyers can answer those questions about the e-mail. what i intend to do as a candidate for president is to go to as many forums as i can, including today in iowa, where i'll be at the soap box along with other presidential candidates, putting forward my message of what we need to do as a country to raise the minimum wage, to get wages to go up again, to seed new inindustries in clean energy. we need to talk about it, and until we do, you're left with nothing but reporting the latest story about e-mail servers and shame on us as a democratic party if we don't step forward and stop offering the issues to serve our country. >> so bernie sanders is shooting up in the polls in new hampshire. a story today in the "washington post" about the summer of the outsider. now, you have a more traditional resume for a candidate for the white house. is this a bad kind of environment for a guy with your resume to run for president?

>> no, i don't think ultimately it is. in fact, the two frieszs i hear all the time all around the country are the phrases new leadership and getting things done. as i view this summer, this is a summer where people in both parties are expressing their discontent with the established leaders of both parties. but there will come a time in the fall where people will need to focus on which of us actually has the track record of not just professing progressive values but getting progressive things done. marriage equality, raising the minimum wage, the dream act. i'm the only candidate in our party that is over 15 years of executive experience done these things, accomplished these things on criminal justice reform, repealing the death penalty, defending the highest median income of any state in the nation. >> so why are the voters responding so much to bernie sanders if he doesn't have that

record? what's happening in the country? >> he does a very good job of expressing the anger that we're feeling that we're all working harder and yet we're slipping further behind. but no great nation ever built a better future for its kids on anger. or division. and so i think this process is relatively, on our side, anyway, has only just begun. i have been a candidate for a little over 60 days. i have been to over 25 counties in iowa. as you know, the campaign in iowa is a campaign to county to county, in the restaurants. and that's what i intend to do here and new hampshire, steady, steady. >> sam stein here. just two quick items. the last thing i could pull up from you on the iran deal was that you thought it was a deal that moved in the right direction but you were still studying. that was about mid-july. have you come to a conclusion on it at this point? >> yes, sam.

i believe that the iranian deal is actually in the best interest of our national security as a nation. we're a strong country. we are a strong enough country to give peace a chance. we have to enforce this deal. we have to make sure that it's monitored, that it's verifiable and we're constantly vigilant. if the iranians were our friends, we wouldn't have to negotiate with them in the first place. but just as we have negotiated with the russians in the past, i believe that this path is the best path forward right now and i hope congress approved the deal. >> one last question. on the 15-appoint agenda, it's bold, decidedly progressive. the question i have, though, is we have seen candidates in the past, including the current president, put out these bold, progressive visions only to confront the realities of governance and having to dial back. why and how would you be able to pass something like this through a congress likely to be controlled at least in the house by republicans once you're elected president?

>> because i have shown time and again, sam, an ability to forge a new consensus. i believe leadership isn't about putting your finger to the wind and following popular opinion. it's about forging a new consensus and bringing people together to accomplish meaningful things. that's what i did at a pretty dire time in a big american city's history. that's what i did through the recession as we did more rather than less to make our public schools the best in america five years in a row. and to freeze college tuition for four years in a row. in other words, my track record as an executive, not as a legislator, but as an executive is one of being relentless, forging a new consensus and getting things done. this is the whey i governed in the city, in the state. it's become a model for cities all across the country, and this is the new way of governing. you set goals, forge a new consensus, measure performance and force people to come together every week to see whether the things we're doing are working or not to advance us towards a strategic goal.

we're very successful at that both at the state level and the city level, and i look forward to doing it on behalf of the american people. >> martin o'malley, thank you very much for being on the show this morning. take care. >> thank you, guys. time forbeds before the bell with sara eisen. what's moving the markets this morning? >> well, we're focused on the u.s. consumer this morning. we got word that retail sales rose 0.6% in the month of july. that's what economists were looking for and it's a good number because it shows a pick-up from june when they fell. if you take out autos which is a big chunk of how americans spend their money, 0.4%. it's not too exciting and too robust, but at least it's moving in the right direction. and retail is in focus because we're getting results from some of the biggest retailers in the country. yesterday, macy's put out a very disappointing report. had to lower its forecast for the year. this morning, kohl's also

reported sharply lower profits. the question is, is this a u.s. consumer problem or a retail problem? the answer is it's a little bit of both. u.s. consumers aren't spending like they used to on apparel. instead, they're spending on cars, on home repairs. they're spending on sports apparel, athletic apparel, and as a result smrx of the traditional categories like denim are getting hurt. that's why there's a lot of hope for back to school season and perhaps a comeback for denim. >> i'll see you in your jeans jacket. thanks very much. with studs. still ahead, she skied from the summit of mt. everest. that was easy compared to his latest challenge. jimmy chin takes on the peak in northern india known as the shark spin. he joins us along with john krukow. we'll be wack

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with people that i know and that i trust. >> as a team, you're a sum total of all your experience. >> i knew he was strong enough. >> we got there and i looked up at the mountain, i didn't know what we wir getting into. >> this is the test of-master climber. jimmy and conrad have climbed everest four or five times. this is a whole different kind of climbing. >> 16 days up here. >> we lost half our food. and 90% of the mountain was still above us. >> the center of the universe is -- >> unattainable. >> that was a look at the new documentary in which three climbers make their second attempt to scale one of the world's most dangerous peaks. did you see that, sam? >> i saw it. >> kind of made me sick just to look at it. joining us now, the director and one of the climbers, jimmy chin. and no offense, like sick in a good way. like you still wanted to watch more.

>> i hope so. >> also with us, best-selling author john krakauer whose commentary is featured in the film. i mean, the visuals speak for itself, but this is the ultimate price, the shark fin. tell us about it. >> well, the shark's fin. >> where is it, what's the difference between this and any other challenge? >> the shark's fin is on mt. meru, and it's in northern india in the himalayas. it has a notorious reputation because of the number of attempts and failures on it. and it's seen more attempts and failures than any other route in the himalayas. >> and failures end how? >> people attempting it and not getting to the summit, basically, is considered a failure. and really a route kind of gains notoriety by the number of failures it has on it. >> so john, talk a little bit

about why you wanted to be a part of this project. there's so many different storylines here. as an author, i would think that's what draws you to it, but beyond the visual and the challenge itself, isn't it the connections between the teams that really -- >> i mean, i have known jimmy and conrad for a long time. i climbed with boat of them. i admire them a lot. i watched the person who first conceived of this climb was a good friend of mine who is featured in the film. this mountain, i have sort of been watching it from afar for a long time. it's a really, really hard thing. there's all this hype about the new everest movie and, you know, this is so much harder than everest. you can't even -- everest has been climbed thousands and thousands of times by, you know, just ordinary people. this mountain has been, you know, it's just a different -- >> why would you do it? why? >> sort of my question. >> was it? did i just take it? >> that and, i got --

>> look at this. >> how the hell do you film a movie on a mountain like this? >> yeah, that's certainly one of the big challenges, is the filming aspect. >> do you use go-pros? what do you do? >> i have been filming and shooting expeditions for over 15 years. so kind of my filming and photography career have paralleled my climbing career. and it's really part of my process as a climber and a filmmaker, the very much integrated, so when you're on a route like that, you have kind of two threads. you've got the climbing thread, thinking about your climbing objectives, safety, and then there's this other thread which is the film making. >> like, i put survival a little bit above getting the shot. you know, maybe that's my priorities, but who knows? >> sure. >> meru is in select theaters this friday. thank you very much. please don't do that again.

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joe." joining us now, he has sold over 25 million records with 17 hop 40 hits throughout his career including jesse's girl. i know that song. >> i know you do. >> i really like it. rick springfield. >> they'll play it at my funeral. >> i'm sorry. can you sing it for me now? no, that's not good? >> too early in the morning. it's a little early. >> all right. rick is now doing something, well, kind of impressive. he's on the big screen, alongside academy award winning actress meryl streep in their new movie "ricki and the flash." >> impressive. zillions of records, impressive. this impressive. your mother and father who told you yood would never get

anywhere playing music -- >> my mom did. >> who would have guessed it would have gotten you with one of the greatest actresses of our time. >> i think the greatest. >> and a great director. you got picked for this simply because your musical acumen and also the chemistry you had. >> they wanted an actor who could play the guitar, because it was all recorded live. no overdubbing as well. jonathan demme, who is amazing and made "stop making sense" as well as "silence of the lambs" knew what it took to make it look real. so he wanted it live. >> it was real. you guyed played ten songs on film. >> she killed it. >> live. >> she had never played a guitar before. >> what? >> absolutely, wood shed for about six weeks, eight weeks, and then she had a real band behind her. all great players. she brought the character and that's really the essence of the

film. >> she had no background play sng. >> none at all. it's pretty astounding. i hope people understand how difficult it is to play electric guitar, sing, and then do it in character. it's -- i peen, it's mind blowing what she did. >> we have a clip of rick springfield playing drift away with meryl streep in ricki and the flash. take a look. ♪ look for the light through the pouring rain ♪ ♪ you know that's a game that i hate to lose ♪ ♪ feeling the strain ♪ giving >> so, this is pretty incredible. and demme says that he walked in and you were with meryl and about a minute in, he said the sunshine just started pouring in.

he said, like, in an instant, you had the part. >> i wish i had known that. it would have made the whole audition process so much easier. let me know i have it or i don't have it. it was, i mean, they were looking for the chemistry. there's actual scenes involved. it's not all singing. there's scenes between the two of us. >> did she know you played dr. noah drake? >> hopefully not. >> that's an important character in the history of american drama. >> who is dr. noah drake? you were on gh? get out. >> i like her. >> she's been under a rock. >> dr. noah drake. >> he was dr. noah drake? >> it's bigger than jesse's girl. >> mika has been under a rock for about 40 years. >> hopefully they don't play the general hospital theme at my

funeral. >> so, what was it like working with jonathan demme? that had to be pretty exciting. >> he is absolutely incredible. an incredibly vibrant, alive man that brings this incredible passion to the set. and it's a family thing. it just feels like a family, the whole shoot, it felt familiar like being with your family. he's amazing. amazing director. >> what a remarkable, talk about incredible, incredible ark for your career, from the screaming girls to meryl streep and jonathan demme. you have to pinch yourself and go, wow. >> yeah, i mean, i have always had big dreams. you know, and i think that's very important. i always believed to shoot for the stars and sometimes you hit them and sometimes you land on the moon. so i have kept going all my life. i kept writing. i have a paperbook version of my novel just my first novel came

out this week. and we have a new album coming out. i focus on new stuff. i don't focus on jesse's girl. though i'm very fortunate for her. >> good for you. >> or dr. drake. >> thank you so much. >> ricki and the flash is in theeders now. rick springfield, thank you so much. we'll be right back with much more "morning joe." no sixth grader's ever sat with the eighth grade girls.

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the hardest working americans are, mike huckabee said the struggling middle class. carly fiorina said marginalized ethnic groups. rand paul said the team of pasta chefs who make my hair. that's not easy. when i heard bill clinton called trump and i told him to run, jeb bush said thee thought it would help hillary. hillary clinton said he must have been calling trump's wife and trump answered. >> time now to talk about what we learned today. sam. what did you learn? >> i learned that you should not relegate donald trump to the entertainment section because it will result in incredible hate mail.

i want to read a headline. quote, are you kim jong-un? >> i learned that i think the american people are sick of candidates who pretend things don't exist. like we have to talk as if the things that we're talking about actually exist. >> yes. >> and it happens on both sides. people are tired of it. they're tired of being condescend eed to and treated they're stupid. >> i learned from mika who the most powerful person in the media is because i was educated earlier on the show. >> you were owned. >> thank you. fits rr way too early, it's time for "morning joe." now it's time for "the rundown" which is straight ahead right here on msnbc. i'm jose diaz-balart. first on "the rundown" this morning, breaking news out of baghdad where a truck bomb has kill eed at least 67 people. isis has claimed responsibility

for the attack which took place around 6:00 a.m. local time in a busy market. it's bunn of baghdad's bloodiest attacks in a year. richard engel is in the region, in turkey, and that the latest. richard. >> well, it was a terrible attack. there are death tolls that go up to 75, 76 people killed. it was a refrigerator truck that exploded in the sadr city district, a shiite area, not surprising that isis would target it. isis is an extremist sunni group, and has targeted shiites in the past. it is not the first time we have seen major explosives in baghdad. they're actually an unfortunately common experience, but a major truck bomb that kills 65, 75 people or perhaps even more, is the worst violence we have seen there in about a year. >> and i mean, richard, when we look at some of