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due to mature subject matter viewer discretion is advised. >> living with somebody's blood on your hand. >> after running a man down with his car one inmate prepares for life behind bars. >> when i wake up i see something that i can't change. >> a hazard. >> accused of knowingly exposing women to the hiv virus another
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inmate is housed in segregation for his own protection. >> i realize they put me out to be a monster. >> don't matter what you do he is going to get you. >> after years of violence behind bars one of the jail's most infamous inmates continues to pose a threat. established in 1733, savannah, georgia was a strategic port during the american revolution and the civil war. its history is kept alive through memorials and
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preservation of landmarks. the fort's canons are fired during weekly demonstrations. on the opposite side of town is a modern day fortress that few visit by choice. most of the 1,500 inmates inside the chatham county detention center are only charged with crimes. they are awaiting trial. >> you ain't got to worry about me coming here no more. >> most spend time in one of the jail's general population units. those who break rules inside jail end up in unit 2 b. >> all your disciplinary action. doesn't matter about your case. you screw up in this jail you end up there. >> inmates in this high security unit spend 23 hours a day inside
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their cells and lose their phone and visitation privileges. the jail gives them an hour of what they call recreation but the inmates are limited from the exercise they can do. >> they are shackled up, handcuffed and go into what is called the cage. they are allowed one person in the cage. >> they are handcuffed with a lock box which fits on top of the cuffs so they can't strike when they are handcuffed in this position. >> lavaris serving in lockdown for refusing orders to return to his cell. >> you can't put your hands on your face like if i want to say oh, my god i can't do that because i'm like this. you see what i'm saying? this is h-e-l-l. nothing good about this. >> unfortunate that they have to be there and handcuffed and chained and two officers with
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them at all times, but that's the choices and the decisions that they made, not us. >> while some will return to general population, others cannot. these inmates end up next door in the jail's administrative segregation unit which is considered extended segregation. most are considered too dangerous for general population. one of the jail's most infamous is eric kelly. kelly has already spent more than 22 years in prison for convictions including armed robbery, aggravated assault and making terrorist threats. he is charged with possession of cocaine with intention to dribt. >> you need to stay out of trouble. don't go to jail. you go to jail you are going to meet that guy like me.
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>> kelly has been housed for more than a year but his stay in the jail began in general population. he was caught with a broken broom handle which was considered a potential weapon and was given 15 days in disciplinary lockdown. after his return to general population he threw a food tray at an officer and encouraged other inmates to follow suit. >> after that inmate kelly was placed on administrative segregation and remained there. he is disruptive and there is almost always a case for violence whether against him or from him so they deemed it necessary to keep him in administrative segregation. >> you never know what is going to come out from day to day. today he might be mild, moderate inmate. the next day he wakes up and is in a fight mood. >> i have been in over 1,000 fights. >> kelly says his tendencies
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towards violence were borne out of his experiences in prison. >> i got burned. i got a mark there where i got burned at. hot baby oil. all that makes you more meaner, madder, crazier. when they get crazy you got to get crazier. >> inmates who know kelly's reputation for violence refer to him by his nickname. >> i call him dark side. he really do got that dark side in him. >> known inside and outside the jail. >> for what? >> being crazy. >> when i get mad i don't think. i don't think. i just see black. that's why a lot call me dark side. you know what i'm saying? >> you mess with kelly, you mess with dark side, the dark side part will come out of him. you might play the game by the rules but when it comes to dark side ain't no rules.
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ain't no limit of what he is capable of doing or what he would do. >> best thing not to do is get on his bad side because he tends to get real ruthless. >> kelly says that dark side is a persona he created after one of his fights in prison. >> i beat a guy so bad i took his blood and just -- i said -- and it went from there, man. dark side became well known. i was like a living legend. dark side respect everybody unless everybody violate or disrespect dark side. that's when dark side get crazy. >> kelly says when others try something he will hurt them and humiliate them. >> i say respect me. i might kick them in the butt. when i knock them out i put it
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up the butt in front of everybody. don't mess with me. the reason why i violate them is because i learned it in prison from a 25 year vet. i saw an old convict when he knocked a guy out he stick his finger in his booty hole. that's how i learned that. that's where i learned from. >> just be aware of the thumb. if you get on the bad side he will disgrace you and slaughter your name. he will get you. >> i'm not going to play with nobody. that's why they call me dark side. i'm not going to play with nobody. it's all survival. it's all survival. coming up -- >> say they put me here for my safety yet surround me by the
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most dangerous people. >> inmate accused of high profile crime gets on the wrong side of dark side. and later -- >> environment that i'm not used to. >> the reality of jail sets in for one new arrival. the tripadvisor you have always trusted for reviews book...! now checks over 200 websites to find the best price. book...! book...! so don't just visit tripadvisor, book...! at tripadvisor
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at the chatham county detention center in savannah, georgia the most violent or troublesome inmates are held in ad seg. >> this will make you cry for your mother, man. >> not every inmate in ad seg has a history of violence or misbehavior. >> we have a lot of high profile cases where inmates have to be put in ad minseg. many of our inmates are fairly famous figures on our local news stations. because of that they may be
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celebrities in this jail or they may be enemies to everyone. they end up in admin seg for their protection. >> one of those high profile inmates is antonio bacon housed in administrative segregation since he arrived 13 months earlier. >> i have never been arrested before. you are around people with most violent crimes. they said they put me here for my own safety, but yet you surround me by the most dangerous people in the city. fights, people cursing each other out, i'm going to kill you. it's stuff like wow this is what i'm around. >> bacon has been charged with one count of stat or rape.
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authorities say he had sexual relations with six partners one of whom was 15 without disclosing disclosing. >> you didn't tell them you tested positive for hiv. >> i never said that. it's not something you just blurt out. i made a mistake. that was my fault. i am paying for my mistake. >> bacon calls it a mistake he says there was no need to disclose his hiv status because he believes he has been cured of the disease. >> when i found out i had hiv i thought my life is over. i locate this guy. he told me i can cure hiv.
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i took supplements and after about a good couple of months i started feeling different. my breathing was picking up like normal. i wasn't sleepy all the time anymore. i feel better. >> bacon says the jail provides him with medication but he does not take it. >> i always take the medicine but i never take it. sometimes i might flush it. you don't know what that medicine may contain. you don't want to take a chance of somebody saying this is healthy and you are taking it every day and putting things that you don't need in your body. >> after bacon's arrest prosecutors spoke to local news media to warn other potential victims. >> district attorney kicked off a press conference about the indictment of antonio bacon jr. >> we have concerns that we have people who have had relations and have not been tested. i think it is a public safety concern. >> if anyone has had relations
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with mr. bacon please contact our office and seek medical treatment. >> what happens when the story is on the news and you walk in the door? >> well, when i first came to jail the newspaper came out with my face on it. it's like a guy came to my door like is this you? that's when i realized they put me out to be a monster. they labelled me as a hazard to public safety. i'm like wow. it hurt. it makes you get emotional. i cry plenty nights sitting on the bed wishing i could let somebody hear my voice. >> bacon says he is concerned about the statutory rape charge. >> i don't want to register as a sex offender the rest of my life. i have a lot of family members. i have brothers and sisters, young brothers and sisters. being a sex offender is a conflict with my life. >> if he is convicted on all charges bacon could face 80
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years in prison. >> i think about the what ifs. and i do think about how if i do get found guilty how prison will be. first thing in my mind that pops up is the stuff i see on tv. somebody might stab me or try to kill me based on what they heard. >> fellow ad seg inmate eric kelly says he knows what sort of reception bacon would find there if convicted of charges. >> them guys going to whoop his butt. the only person seeing him is god. >> that's the guy who says he sticks his finger up another man's butt hole. i stay in my own lane and keep this time go by faster. >> come in here and when they talk about charges and don't show remorse. >> kelly says his time in prison hardened his outlook and built a
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reputation for ruthlessness that earned him the nickname dark side. >> when i first got to prison fights. >> kelly says it was during that time he turned to his own brand of poetry to express his thoughts. >> hard on the yard ten years ago. i was in my young still stupid wild crazy ways doing stupid
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things. >> it's dark side for life. it's hard on the yard. >> looked like you got emotional at the end. what was that about? >> being locked up, this ain't nothing to brag about. i did what i did. i wouldn't be here now if i would have listened ten years ago. i wouldn't be here now. >> this feels good, man. >> kelly is allowed outside his cell one hour a day which he spends in shackles and chains. >> this is my cell here. >> he says he relishes any amount of time he gets to spend outside of his cell. >> look at him, don't want to go back in. want to stay out here. don't want to go back in.
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feel like it's closing in on you. tired of seeing these walls, man. i'm tired. >> kelly says while he survived 22 years in prison the past year and a half spent in ad seg has changed his attitude. >> this is 17 months right here. 23 hours a day spending in this sitting in here reading my bible, looking at myself in the mirror, breaking point, bending point. >> for kelly this breaking point means leaving persona in the past. >> i try to get rid of it up in there. they won't let it die. >> i got to prove it to myself that i changed. i got to let god see it, too. coming up -- >> this how y'all make me when you abuse. >> eric kelly's plan to change hits a snag. first -- >> i wasn't thinking straight,
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wasn't thinking properly. that is when i accidently hit -- >> after running a man down with his car a new inmate tries to adapt to life behind bars. >> me not knowing what to do in the heat of passion got me sitting here today. i know i have an 812 fico score, so i definitely qualify. so what else can you give me? same day delivery. the ottoman? thank you. fico scores are used in 90% of credit decisions. so get your credit swagger on. go to experian.com, become a member of experian credit tracker, and take charge of your score.
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many of the 1,500 inmates at the chatham county detention center in savannah, georgia arrive in the jail fresh from an arrest. having just returned from court. a judge sentenced him to five years in prison and another 15 on probation after he pled guilty to striking and killing a 60-year-old man with his car. >> have you go back to cell number 18. >> during the investigation he was on house arrest. he will remain in jail until his transfer to prison. manning says he has only been in jail once before on an overnight stay after charged with driving without a license for which he
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paid a fine. >> it is an environment i'm not used to. i have to cope with. it hurts just thinking about it because [ bleep ]. i don't know. first time in this kind of situation. i have been in the free world my whole life. kind of nervous because i mean i'm not fit for this life because i have never been through this life. i just have to own up to my responsibilities and be a man. >> the incident that led to manning's conviction occurred two years earlier. manning says as he left the courthouse still holding several hundred dollars he was approached by a man asking for directions. moments later the second man approached him begging for money
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for food. >> the other guy was talking to me distracting me for just enough time for him to pick pocket me. as i'm getting back in my car i noticed my money was gone and my mind went frantic. me not knowing what to do in the heat of passion got me here today. >> manning says he got into his car and pursued one of them. >> i wasn't thinking straight. i wasn't thinking properly. my idea was to stay in sight of that one guy and call the police and just give them some kind of vicinity of the area that we are in and i'm chasing the guy that just robbed me. that's when i accidently hit the fellow. >> manning insists he never intended to run the man down. police and witness reports say when he struck the victim he crossed the median and was driving on the on coming lane of traffic and the victim was running away from the car at the time. manning says he crossed the
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median in an attempt to keep the man in sight and lost control. >> i was actually going the wrong way. they used that to say i intentionally murdered somebody. i was indicted on felony murder, malice murder and aggravated assault. i didn't want to take the chance in front of a jury. when you see those charges, when they come with a lesser charge like that i took it. >> manning says that by accepting a plea of voluntary manslaughter he feels he is holding himself accountable for his role in the incident. >> i have to accept responsibility for my wrong actions. i'm very remorseful about it. it was an accident. >> this isn't the only current charge on manning's record. while manning was on house arrest before taking the plea deal he was charmged with simple battery after an alleged fight with his girlfriend. he has pled not guilty. >> all stuff started caving in
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on me and i looked at her and -- >> you hit her? >> i pushed her. he called the police. >> do you have a problem with anger in your life? >> i have had a problem with anger before. coming up as a child in my teenage years they go a long time without doing something you think you are not angry because you feel like you got out of that. it comes out. manning says the man provoked the anger. >> the one thing i would change in the situation i would have took the value off of my money and just let it go. just diffuse the situation right there and not been angry at all. i wish i could have taken some of the anger out of my heart right there in the parking lot and not let it get that far. i was just praying for the family. their pain is in my heart.
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there's no way to get that out of me. it is hard living with somebody's blood on your hands every day. every time you wake up, every time you go to sleep you have to realize that you have a man's life. coming up -- >> terrifying. very terrifying. >> antonio bacon's trial reaches a conclusion. and -- an argument with an officer threatens to bring out eric kelly's dark side. ♪
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with the hours top stories more evacuations ordered in the area near a warehouse that exploded and burned down in china. 104 people have died. the warehouse stored hazardous materials. donald trump says if he wins the white house he would reverse president obama's executive orders on immigration. in an exclusive interview with
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chuck todd trump said all undocumented immigrants including those brought to the u.s. by parents as children have to go. now, we will take you back to lockup. due to mature subject matter viewer discretion is advised. > at the chatham county detention center antonio bacon was booked on charges of statutory rape after he allegedly had sex with several women, one of them a minor without disclosing that he was hiv positive. his trial is now completed. the results for bacon were mixed. he was found guilty on four of
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his six reckless conduct charges and found not guilty on the charge of statutory rape. he says he was relieved to be cleared of having sex with a minor. >> that was a tough thing to deal with when you have little brothers and sisters. that means you wouldn't be able to be around them. >> bacon is due back in court for sentencing in a few days. a judge can give him as much as 40 years in prison. bacon has asked the judge to grant him status under first offender act, a law that allows first time felons to have convictions wiped so long as they complete sentences without incident. he is hoping to be sentenced to time served allowing him to go home with a clean record. >> i am hoping to get time served, probation for the rest of the time, first offenders, something like that. it is a scary feeling not
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knowing which way is always scary. i just got to get some nerves of steel. it's terrifying. very terrifying. i'm still praying for the best. >> while bacon will soon learn his fate eric kelly is still waiting for his day in court. he has been in jail awaiting trial for the past 18 months in part because he chose to replace his public defender. for most of that time he has been housed in the jail's administrative segregation unit. as kelly watches tv during his daily hour outside of the cell he talks to one of his neighbors who do not wish to be on camera. the two men discuss an incident earlier in the day involving officer stevenson. although kelly says he did not witness it he accuses officer stevenson of using excessive force while escorting the inmate
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back to his cell. >> that's playing too much. that's playing too much, man. >> officer stevenson says the inmate refused to return to his cell at the end of rectime. he denies doing anything wrong. >> he wouldn't go back to his room. i put him in the escort hold and bringing him up the steps and he decided to hold on to the railing so i drug him up the steps. grab him by the back of the arm and one hand at the wrist. mr. kelly is in a room where he couldn't have seen what i was doing to the inmate. mr. kelly was saying i was playing too much. >> you don't do that. you don't play. easy time to snap. >> don't snap. don't play with guys. >> what channel you want? >> channel 6. >> at the end of kelly's recreation time the issue comes up again and kelly believes officer stevenson are returning him to the cell before his hour
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is up. >> you rewind that video you will see i came out at 5:30. he is taking 15 minutes from me because i told him about jacking that guy up. now he wants to take my time. it's wrong. you dead wrong. you will see 5:30. i guarantee you you will see 5:30. >> i'm just saying. >> identified to mr. kelly that his recreation time was over with. he was like that's wrong. i came out at 5:30. i didn't recall exactly when i took him out. >> taking my time, man. seriously, man. >> i am going to go check the camera right now. >> i came out at 5:30. he got mad with me because i
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told him don't jack up that guy like that. he got mad about that. >> i went out to the hub to verify it on the camera to see whether he was correct or i was correct. i wrote down the wrong time. it was 5:23. i owed him 7 1/2 minutes. >> 23 minutes after the hour is when i brought you out according to the clock on the computer. i put you up at a quarter after. >> clock on the wall said 5:30. >> got right here. >> you can't see, what are you talking about? you want that seven minutes? >> moments later the conversation grows heated. >> who is playing games?
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i will play a game and go sit on my chair and not let you out at all. i don't need a lecture from you. you are behind the door not me. >> where you going? you get mad when we tell the truth. >> as officer stevenson steps away kelly's tempers flare. >> you are not supposed to play with inmates like that. the way he jacked up that man at 47, jacking this man up like this here. he is not supposed to abuse his authority like that. that is unnecessary use of force, man. i know i came out at 5:30. he is going to tell me i got seven minutes left. do i want my time i said i want all my time. i told him to quit playing so much. >> that is part of the problem. he is not going to sit here and offer you your time and have you lecture him on what he is playing. >> when an officer tells him something to do even if an
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officer is wrong inmates don't need to abide until it is resolved. the whole attempt of trying to de-escalate. >> i didn't do nothing wrong. >> he is abusing authority by taking 15 minutes away from me. my time was not up. this is how y'all make me when you abuse your authority. you understand? this going to take me back to old days. >> the idea is to get him to calm down. you are yelling at the situation. i understand that. rest your nerves and let me get to the bottom of it and we'll finish this up. >> i understand that. >> okay. >> make my blood boil, man. you know what i'm saying? he was wrong. >> i wasn't going to be lectured by an inmate so i decided to not let him back out for the seven minutes that i owed him. he is very agitated.
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to let him out like that is too dangerous for us and because of disorderly conduct he won't come out tomorrow, also. >> it is hard when you know you are doing the right thing and somebody is provoking you. it's wrong. >> you think punishing him is going to make the matter worse? >> he is definitely going to be agitated by the situation but that is the nature of being in ad segregation. >> if we act up and do not behave and you take my hour away i'm going to think about that very hard and i will probably improve my behavior. >> what are you going to do today? you are obviously upset. >> i am going to sit back and put it on lyrics. i'm going to put it in a song and add hard on the yard number two, the only way to stress me feelings. i can't put my hands on him because they are going to charge
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me up. it's hard on the yard. >> you think he is in a better place after the conversation? >> he is in a better place not because of the conversation but he was able to throw that stuff against the wall. i was the wall that took it. i understand it's not personal but because i'm wearing the badge today. if it wasn't me it would be you or somebody else. we probably won't hear from him for the rest of the night. coming up -- >> i saw punches being thrown and feet being kicked. >> a fight breaks out. >> and you end up in a place like this and never get out again. >> manning uses a personal camera to reflect on his crime. >> this is my only way of showing that i'm sorry.
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at the chatham county
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detention center a storm brings rain. with it a welcome change of pace for eric kelly. >> it is raining outside today. i am trying to see which bubble will make it to the drain without getting blowed up. there it go. fixing to make it. that one made it! another one made it! it relaxes me and calms me down. i get bored and there is nothing else to do. take me out the jail. take me out of this cell. i am looking through the window. i can't hear nothing. i can't hear inmates, officers, tvs. i stay focused on the bubbles. it makes me feel peaceful. >> in one of the general population units it's anything but peaceful as three inmates slug it out. >> the officer on duty attempts to separate the combatants and
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the inmates fail to obey his order he calls for backup. >> let's go! >> deputy burn and sergeant milton arrive to break up the fight. sergeant milton with a taser at the ready. today he will not need to use it. >> put your hands behind your back. put them behind your back. >> come on. >> they were engaged in a fight in the corner. the other officers were clearing out the floor i went over and tried to disengage each person from fighting. gave verbal commands. they did not comply so i separated them. >> we try to ascertain what happened. of course, nobody talks. they say i don't have anything to say so right now they are taken to isolation lockdown until we do our investigation.
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>> but manning who has been in the jail for three weeks witnessed the fight. he says it's part of adjusting to life as an inmate. >> getting our trays and the door open and you see a couple guys coming out the room fighting. i saw punches being thrown and feet being kicked. don't know what is going on or why fights break out but you have the sense of things going to be right so you stay out. it's scary because you don't know what can happen behind you. you might be watching one fight and somebody that don't like you might come fight you while the officers are busy. it only takes 30 seconds to get hurt. >> this kind of sudden outburst of violence is something manning will have to get used to for at least the next five years cht he recently accepted a plea deal of voluntary manslaughter for striking and killing a man with
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his car. manning alleges his victim pick pocketed him and in pursuing him he accidently ran him down. >> here i am sitting here in my cell, don't have much. this is all i possess right now. this is a place where you really don't want to be. i realize i'm in a bad spot in my life right now because i don't enjoy jail. i'm not enjoying this time at all. it's so easy to get here. at the snap of the finger and you can end up in a place like this and never get out again. and it's hard to deal with that kind of situation. no matter how easy it may look, you may see a person smiling, smiles are just to cover up the tears. i would like to take a little
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bit of time and let the family know how i'm really feeling about their lost loved one. i wake up and think about the loss of that loved one and it's in my heart every day. it's in my mind cht it's in my body. when i wake up i see something that i can't change. this is my only way of showing that i'm sorry. i apologize. and i mean i wish i can take it back. if i could replace his life with mine i would. >> manning is awaiting a transfer to prison to begin his five year sentence but it can cost him more than just his freedom. a felony conviction on his record will revoke security clearance that he will need to
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resume working at the docks. >> i lose my whole career. it sounds selfish. i'm trying to save my life and my kids' life. basically that's my life, my kids. >> like antonio bacon, manning has asked the judge to grant him status under the first offender act to wipe the conviction if he completes without incident. >> i just want the judge to look at me for who i am, not as a crime or a number, a case number. don't look at me as a case number but as a person. i feel like i deserve at least -- >> coming up -- >> i was shocked at first. >> antonio bacon is sentenced and not everyone is pleased. >> i don't think that's right. no way.
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at the chatham county detention center in savannah, georgia rhett manning recently pled guilty to manslaughter and received a five year sentence. manning's lawyer petitioned the judge to give him status under first offender act. now manning has returned from court where a judge has given him his answer. >> you got good news, bad news or no news. >> pretty good news and just got to figure the rest of it out. >> that's good. >> basically the judge granted me the first offenders. that means when i completed the sentence i won't be considered as a convicted felon.
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not having a felony on my record is very important to me because i have a job that requires no felonies. i have children to support, family to support and basically support myself. so that's all i'm trying to keep a little bit of life after this whole experience i got going on. >> while manning's judge granted him first offenders status antonio bacon is not as fortunate. he just returned from sentencing after being convicted. bacon had been hopeful the judge would grant him first offenders status and sentence him to time served. >> the judge denied my first offenders. that made my knees bulk. i felt like my whole future was over. >> the judge sentenced bacon to four years in prison and 16 in probation. >> i was shocked at first.
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i was like wow my first time being in trouble. he threw half the book at me. it's not at all what i expected to get but got to roll with the hand i have been dealt and make the best of it. >> bacon says the repercussions to deny first offenders status will stay with him long after he is released. >> if i go to a corporate interview or put an application and that question says are you a convicted felon and i check yes and you decide i want to see what he was convicted of and i tell you first thing it's going to be nothing. now i have a lot of doors that just closed in my face. >> bacon's fellow ad seg inmates eric kelly says bacon got off
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too easy. >> should have got more than that. that ain't enough time for what he did no way. should have at least got 40. >> eric kelly, he was real you still did it, i think you did it. i don't like you. i never said more than two words to the man. people like that can't do anything about it. until you sit down and get to know me how can you judge me? >> i told him you going to go to prison this time. you got four years. now what are you going to do? >> kelly, who previously served 22 years in prison says he knows what awaits bacon but he also says that contrary to what many might expect he wishes him no harm. >> when the inmates find out what he is up there for they are going to come see about it. i hope they don't kill him.
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i don't wish him no death or nothing, but i can't wish death on nobody. >> kelly says he has been trying to change his violent behavior and has taken his lead from a radio station he has been listening to recently. >> a christian station. as soon as he came on and said who is you to judge another human being? for god to judge. after i am hearing that on the radio. >> every time i do feel that urge i -- i read my bible. i represent the lord jesus christ now. i don't want to go to hell. i don't want to go to hell. it's hot down there. hell ain't for me, man.
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due to mature subject matter, viewer discretion is advised. >> america's prisons, dangerous, often deadly. there are 2 million people doing time. every day is a battle to survive and to maintain order. located in the deep south, holman correctional facility where most are serving life sentences. we spent most of the time inside where the prisoners have nothing but time and nothing to lose. this is "lockup: holman extend

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