more than takes you behind the walls of america's most notorious prisons into a world of chaos and danger. now, the scenes you've never seen. "lockup: raw." >> could be a serial killer -- >> "lockup's" interviews with some of the most notorious criminals behind bars have provided disturbing insights into what drives the horrific acts of violence. >> it was just like i snapped. >> he disrespected me. that's all it takes.

>> i started having delusions. >> i started singing "the battle hymn of the republic," "glory, glory, hallelujah." >> i'm not going to live with punk. you see my point? >> we've filmed in dozens of maximum security prisons across the country, interviewing some of the most dangerous and deadly inmate. >> i don't really want to run into you -- >> it isn't until you step back to get a sense of where they're coming from or what they did that you realize the evil that exists across the table. >> nestled at the base of majestic glaciers, the small, coastal town of seward, alaska, is known for more than just breathtaking, natural beauty. it's also home to the spring

creek correctional facility, alaska's only maximum security prison. it's here that we encounter carl able, one of the most memorable kirlts ever profiled on -- killers ever profiled on "lockup." it didn't take long for him to make clear his opinions of some of his fellow inmates. >> all these inmates can say whatever they want to say. they're punks. and the people that are in control know they're punk. >> able first dime spring creek in 2003 after he was convicted of murdering a co-worker. >> i caved his head in. caved it in totally. like the biggest fragment of bone they found was the size of a half dollar. i probably got a little out of hand later on. i kept on hanging out and beating on him some more. there was -- but issed in the gory stuff? well, i -- yeah. i was interested in how the

decomposition was being. it was pretty interesting, but it was kind of twisted there. >> the raw interview footage reveals perhaps the most grisly aspect of of the crime. >> so your whole sense is what now? tell me. >> 70 years. i got six months, too, for cruelty to animals -- >> what? >> cruelty to animals. >> what happened? >> i nuked a guy's cat that he had. the cat was chewing on me, so i nuked the cat. i actually intended to kill the cat, but i guess i didn't do a good enough job. >> how did you nuke the cat? >> stuck it in the microwave and turned it on. 2.5 minutes wasn't long enough. so -- but i had a valid reason. i didn't do it just for kicks. i did it because it was chewing on the dead guy, so. >> three years later in august, 2004, able killed again. this time the victim was his cell mate.

>> he's doing life for killing his mom, which is disgusting. he was bragging about that. "i killed mommy. i'm getting out in 20 years." blah, blah, blah. okay, dude. i sit here and listen to the garbage and listen to the garbage. and i can't tell because if you tell, you're [ bleep ]! i knew someone would call me a [ bleep ] rat. hey, dude, you call me a rat, i'll put you in the ground. now what? >> while most of his fellow inmates infuriate him, able wanted our female producer to know that he has nothing but respect for women and children. >> i have zero tolerance for certain behaviors in other men. they disrespect a woman, they try to take, you know, sexually, i'm going to put them in the ground. they're serving people with a certain criteria, rapers, child molesters, you can't cure them. there's no cure for them. you kill them. that's how you deal with the problem. there's no more problem then. >> able went on to give a graphic account of how he murdered his cellmate. >> he was talking about how he's

going to strainle this lady. -- strangle this lady. i pulled up the sheet and wrapped it around his head and said, nope, you ain't -- you ain't doing nothing. you go say hi to mommy. >> how did he die? >> he kept on breathing. i thought i was doing it wrong because i didn't have a wired garrett -- you can decapitated someone, you wrap it around their neck and yank on it. you could actually decapitate them. the sheet's kind of hard. i think -- it was about five minutes of fighting around, and i finally got his neck -- brought it up and hung it over, and that's when he stopped. then i shoved his handkerchief down his throat to shut him down. i'm the first guy that killed a

man on this yard, i guess. they still run their mouth. they got little punk run their mouth. rah, rah, rah. >> moment after abuhl was placed back in his cell, he was in conflict with the inmate in the neighboring cell. [ shouting ] >> this is what they call cell warriors. they're behind a door so no one can get at each other. they try to stir it up. [ shouting ] [ bleep ] [ bleep ] >> whatever, you -- [ bleep ] >> why don't you tell them how you blackmailed a [ bleep ] -- >> you are a jailhouse punk. you're not going to [ bleep ]. you take it peep beep. you are a punk! >> abuhl is expected to serve out of rest of his sentence, if not his life, in the highly restrictive single-person cells of spring creek's max unit. he left our crew with these

words -- >> i have redeemable qualities. i'm not some bully looking to [ bleep ] somebody. i'm not that. i just want to be left alone. and that's all. and if that -- if i could give them that, i could -- i don't know. i try to think positive. there's always things getting worse. things can get worse. i hope they don't. >> when we traveled to river bend maximum security institution in tennessee, we encountered a young inmate who was also driven to kill. and his story was absolutely chilling. >> i murdered a man with a butcher knife. wore a hockey mask, brown boots -- >> why? >> i had bottled up anger. i was being killed emotionally.

>> luis ramon was 15 at the time of the murder. when we met six years later, he told our producer he relates with two no force and fictional movie killers. >> i believe in a killer like michael meyer from "halloween" and jason voorheis from "friday the 13th." i heard voices like jason, one of the characters. they told me how to kill people. when to do it. and the devil -- i studied the devil for years. >> what does he tell you? >> the demon looking out the window right now. he looked outside the window. mostly he aggravates me sometimes, and i can't sleep. >> when our producer noticed his scarred arm, she learned that sometimes ramon directs violence at himself, as well.

>> what happened with the scars? >> i cut my hand open about three times. twice with a screw and once with a razor blade just to watch the blood come out. i do it sometimes just for the hell of it. it took me 15 years of anger, keeping it bottled up again, i'll end up doing it to somebody again. >> he's not going to get that chance any time soon. ramon isn't eligible for parole until 2057. >> i've got to go back in time and try escape when i had the chance. while we've got about 30 people have fun out there. >> our interview ended with ramon's chilling outlook on his life. >> i feel like i'm a serial killer, like that's my job. if i got out, that's what i would do. but since i ain't got no chance of getting out, i can't carry out my plan. i will kill everyone in here

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at virtually every prison we profiled, we met inmates who spent the majority of their lives behind bars and are never getting out. in many cases, these lifers committed their crimes as teenagers. and with each passing decade, they have slowly adjusted to the strict rules and rigorous demands of prison life.

at the kentucky state penitentiary, some don't always agree with or abide by the rules. >> i'm a person that's been in the joint all of my life. i've been told i'm pretty hard core. and i need a certain type of environment. >> you got -- you've got something you want to say to me now? we can get it on national tv here. [ laughter ] >> everything about alex's mannerisms, his appearance, and the words that he spoke said "convict." alex just embodied that. >> bennett was 54 years old when we met him, and had spent 33 of those years behind bars for armed robbery, kidnapping, and murder. >> the system today isn't like the system that i came into 36 years ago.

the system today has the majority of the inmate programmed to do what they're told when they're told to do it. so they get to the point where they expect that from everybody. there are still a few old dogs around who like to do things their own way. >> bennett's way of doing things, however, has had horrifying result. after adapting to life in a single-person cell here, he was transforced to a lower security prison in 1998 -- transferred to a lower security prison in 1998. he had more privileges but also had to share a cell. that's when things began to go very wrong. >> i'm not going to live with child molesters. i'm not going to live with convicts. i'm not going to live with rats. my privacy, that's the most important thing to me. i was determined to get that, and i got it. >> after his request to return to his single maximum security cell at kentucky state was

denied, bennett took matters into his own hands. and at the expense of his new cellmates. >> i took a knife, and i stabbed him with it three or four times until he was dead. then i butchered him with it. i cut him up into little pieces. it's like i told the warden down there, you know, this is what i left you. now you'll give me a transfer, or one of you all will be next. and then i meant what i said. i have a choice because i have nothing to lose. you see my point? i don't have nothing to lose. i usually hang out here. this is my side. i used to stay over this, but the child killers took ever to. and they can have it -- took it over. and they can have it. i don't argue with nobody about spots. i feel like the whole joint belongs to me since i killed to

get here to get it. a lot of guys think i'm an insane, psychopathic murderer. it ain't about that. >> later, bennett revealed that he did care what the "lockup" audience would think of him. >> deputy warden nancy doom took me to meet alex at his cell so i could get a few extra shots of him. he was taking this long pole ooff -- long pull off of a sgretd. and i could start -- cigarette. and i could start to see the gears turning in alex's mind a little bit. he said to me, "why do you need all this footage? i just don't get it. why do you need all of this footage about me?" >> just sitting here looking goofy. sitting here -- >> he was upset. and it was like a switch. he went from being terribly cooperative to not being happy about the situation. and there was a really, really discernible shift in his demeanor. >> the way i see it --

>> i'll sit wherever you need me to do. i just wanted to get some of you in your cell. >> you know, you are going through all of those, talking about all these people such as myself, you know, folks never getting out. this thing ain't -- >> i start to turn off the camera, and i stand up. and i begin reasoning with alex. slowly as i inched my way backwards toward nancy out of the cell. alex, it's important that we tell the story, we want to hear your voice. i don't know if i was getting through to alex, but i do know that i was getting closer to that entrance to that cell. and we turned and started walking down the cell tier. we get to the entrance of the cell block, and nancy is white. and she says to me, "i don't know if you realize how lucky you are right now." >> he might have been lucky and

made it out of kentucky state knowing alex bennett never will. but bennett has accepted that. >> i never think about the outside world anymore. never, ever. i don't dream about the outside world. i don't think about the outside world. i'm 100% prison. i'm 100% this is my life. prison's my life, and this is all i got. that's all i think about. . >> coming up on "lockup raw," a prolific prison killer reflects on his crimes from the inside. >> i stabbed him 36 times. i needed to put so many noles him that there was no chance that he could survive. [score alert text sound] [score alert text sound] oh. that's the sound of my interest rate going down. according to this score alert, my fico score just went up to 816. 816. 816! 816! fico scores are used in 90% of credit decisions. so get your credit swagger on. go to experian.com, become a member of experian credit tracker,

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these are places where the inmates are really kind of the true-live hannibal lechters what require extra security, shackles, three, four correctional officer at a time. really puts our crews on a one-on-one basis with some of the most dangerous inmates in

america. in many cases, the interview process has to happen through glass. >> such of the case when the "lockup" production team encountered steven huguely at the brushy mountain correctional complex in eastern, tennessee. >> clear! >> when we met him, he had already been in prison for more than 20 years and was scheduled to be executed the following month. >> shot my mother and threw her off a bridge. we had had problems for years, and it just finally reached a head. a girl that i had a date with called there, and when i answered the phone, my mother, she come out of her bedroom and started coming down the hallway. and she said -- screamed, is that another one of your little whores calling here? and it was just like i snapped. and i told the girl that i had a date with, i said, i'll be up

there to get you in a little bit. i'm fixing to kill this [ bleep ]. and i hung up and went and shot her. then i carried her, sdumped her in -- dumped her in the river, and went on my date. i felt a great deal of contempt toward her because of the way she belittled my father and was constantly putting him down. and after a few years of that, it just made me -- well, i really didn't feel nick toward her. >> throughout the hour-long interview, hugely rarely showed emotion except for when his mother broke the news of his father's death. >> she turned around and said, "he's dead. they've found him dead in his car. he committed suicide. i'll put you on the bus and send you to michigan for the funeral," and that was it.

and that made me hate her because from that day forward, i knew i was going to kill her eventually. >> he was sentenced to life in prison for killing his mothers, but it wouldn't -- his mother, but it wouldn't be the last time he committed murder. five years later while incarcerated at a different prison, he stabbed an inmate 67 times after the man and two friends allegedly threatened him. >> all three came up to the cell, a single cell, and i slaughtered him and went after them, too. they took off running and hid. but i was going to kill them all three. >> after receiving an additional life sentence for killing the inmate, 13 years later, huguely murdered again. >> clear. >> in this unedited footage, huguely describes how and why he killed a prison counselor.

>> the plan was to kill him, get the death penalty, use the state of tennessee's lethal injection as means of suicide since didn't have the guts to do it myself. then in january, i killed him. and the first thing i did is said, "i want the death penalty. i want to be executed." and so here we are. >> how did you kill him? >> stabbed him 36 times. i wanted to put so many noles they there was no chance that he could survive. my philosophy has always been if you put enough holes in them they can't plug them all. chances are they're going to die. i've seen people stabbed 17, 18 times and get up and walk away. >> that's incredible and horrible. >> i agree. >> it's horrible. i mean, you know -- >> i agree. i've never lost a minute of

sleep over anything i've ever done. if somebody who commits premeditated first-degree murder tells us they have remorse, they are a liar. it's impossible to commit premeditated first-degree murder and then turn around and say you have remorse for it. how are you going to be remorseful about something you intended to do? >> huguely was sentenced to death for killing the counselor and was transferred to tennessee's death row, located at the river bend milwaukee security institution more than 100 miles away. "lockup" cameras were there as huguely left brushy mountain. >> all right. see you later. i look as death as a new beginning. i don't gear it because it's

what i want. i'm the one that manipulated the system into giving me what i wa want. and it's more like me killing myself than it is them killing me. i'm getting the same adrenaline rush as it grows nearer. i get the same adrenaline rush that i would if i was killing somebody else. to me, it's no different. >> days after this footage was shot, huguely reinstated his appeal of the death sentence because the prison would not grant him a contact visit with his daughter. he was granted a stay of execution and returned to brushy mountain. next on "lockup raw" -- >> i don't know what you want -- >> we meet inmates whose time behind bars is a reign of terror. >> when they come up and say back up, turn around, be handcuffed. i say come get me. >> later, two inmates whose crimes share a common element.

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the death toll from the explosions in china is up to 112. 95 people are still miss, 85 of those are chinese firefighters. their families are demanding more information about what's happened to them. the cause of the blast are still unknown. flight delays persisting up and down the east coast even after a technical failure at a flight control center in virginia has been fixed. the investigation is underway into what went wrong. now it's back to "lockup." over the years, we've pro-filed inmates who have committed extreme acts of

violence both in and out of prison. we found there's a special breed of criminal mind whose violent and bizarre actions seemingly knows no end. >> you ain't got to hold me back -- >> got a lot of people around in here. >> when we first met ivory taylor at california's pelican bay state prison, he had to be flanked by two officers for his interview in the security housing unit or the shu. >> okay, you got it. >> look at all the men right there. you got this round bowl cut -- >> who's this for? >> msnbc. >> nbc? >> more than. >> tell us who you are, what's your name? >> they call me double life because i've got two lives. life to parole. they call me godzilla because i've got more points than anybody in the prison system.

i'll fight anybody. i'll fight anybody who will fight with me. and i've been in the hole 19 years straight. >> taylor spent all those years in the shu because of a list of violent infractions, more than anyone else on "lockup." >> i had my arm broke, foot broke because of problems with police. any place you can get into a fight with, i done got in a fight with. >> when our crew later visited his cell, he felt compelled to let the producer know that nobody is entirely safe around him. >> you can't come in my cell and -- i don't know if you really want to run into me. >> gradually he became more comfortable and gave an impromptu show and tell. >> what have you got? >> ain'tnology in here but one book and my medication.

and that's what's left over, i put them together to mike one bar for my laundry. that's what i was doing when you came in here. >> what's that butter for? >> a masturbation, ejaculation thing. you ain't hip to that. you can't get what they're selling in the street, the ky jelly, whatever it. is that's what that is. i use my butter to make impression -- >> taylor was referring to the bizarre defiled letter he sends to prison officials including teresa schwartz. >> a typical letter from double life taylor to me will be about a five-page scrolled letter with the second and third pages completely coated with semen and an imprint of his penis on the third page. he's trying to get a reaction out of me. i answer whatever question he asks and send it back. >> taylor also wanted to get a reaction from any of his enemies

whoa w-- who might one day see this interview. >> you don't get the name double life -- i got a big heart but a big mouth to back it up. you talk about tv personality. i got people i have in the bushes. i got people that are going to go come up short, six feet short. if they ever run from me, i got people that will chase. it's going to be like that for a little while. they better get aids when they're next -- they'd be better to get aids or ebola than be next to me. i'll see you when i see you. probably not going to see you in a long time, huh? >> no, you'll see me. >> okey-dokey. >> he stirred up problems behind bars. his first arrest was at age 15 for armed robbery. since then, he's spent more than 30 years behind bars. most of them within the stone ramparts of kentucky state

penitentiary. >> this was like a gladiator down there. you come down here, you either going to fight, or you're going to be somebody's punk. and it's that simple. to survive in here, i am fighting. so we fought. and i whooped ass all around this place. >> in this previously unaired video footage, johnson tells us of the unleashed violence on officers during ken's three-cell house, the hole. >> when they come up and say back up, turn around, not handcuffed -- handcuffed, i say [ bleep ] me. do it. when they come and fight, they don't play. i've been shackled to the bed no telling how many times, maced -- i was maced so much, they said, don't even mace him pause it don't even affect him. he's immune to it.

they'll tyke me, shoot me with a taser gun -- whatever. it will take more than that to calm me down a little. when they come one something new, they're coming to me and trying it on me to see if it works. >> i definitely had the sense that fleece loved to have an audience. he was a great story teller, an he knew it. >> the officers that i fought, a bunch of them quit through me. i made them quit. >> one of those officers barely escaped with his life. >> well, i took a five-gallon bucket of boiling water with bleach in it and everything in it. it was so hot. i took a spoon, and as soon as i threw it in -- it curled up. that's how hot it was. i threw it on him. >> what did he do -- >> threw the whole bucket on him. >> what did he do that made you

want to assault him like that? >> he disrespected me. that's all it takes. back then that's all it took. some simple disrespect. >> the c.o. survived, but the incident caused the state to institute hazard pay for its officers. and johnson received 15 years taxed on to his sentence -- tacked on to his sentence. it wasn't just ksp officers who experienced his wrath. he also took it out on his own cell. >> i say i've fwoer 400 -- tore about 400 toilets out of the wall and tore them up. i tore up 5,000, 6,000 mattresses, probably 20,000 some sheet and blankets and doors. i tore off the hinge and things like that. they told me that -- they warned me it was costing the state millions. couldn't nobody break me. nobody.

>> these days, fleece claims he is too old for the violence he used to commit, and the prison has even released him from segregation for good behavior. but slowing down can't reduce the consequences of his actions. and they're beginning to weigh more heavily on his mind. >> the most disturbing thing of it all is the day when it occurred to a person, that all the years that you thought about them that you thought was right, good, and just, is wrong. and to know that is a very hurting thing because could look back over all the people you have hurt through your battles and -- it's painful. and so the only way to make good on it is to do something constructive and hope that it makes a difference somewhere.

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♪ the wabash correctional facility in indiana houses a large number of inmates who are or were considered mentally ill at the time of their crimes.

[ laughter ] ♪ >> get back here. >> when "lockup" visited there, we met two such inmates. they killed after their own minds turned on them, and their murders took on dimensions that were not only shocking, they were unimaginable. >> i'm frank smith jr. i'm 38 years old. i've been down since 1993 for shooting my mom. >> during our first day of shooting at wabash, our crew met frank street. an inmate housed in the residential treatment unit. at the time of the interview, street was experiencing involuntary tremors due to his medication. >> i started having delusions that people were out to hurt me. and i had to -- i went to a party and showed people hurting me. i showed them to my parents, no, there ain't nothing to it. you guys are created e crazy. but they was sane. i was the crazy one.

>> a short time later, street's illusions got the better of him. >> i loaded up the my dad's 3030 because i thought people was coming after me. my parents came home. my mom said, frankie, what are you doing? and my mom was reaching for the gun. she was freaking out -- i was freaking her out, too. i shot her right in the head with the 330. >> even more disturbing than frank street shooting his mother in the head is what he did after he killed her. and we'll warn you, what you're about to hear is extremely graphic. >> i had become delusional. i say insane. and i heard a voice that said, you've got to eat some of her brains for her to become part of you. >> street had been diagnosed as having advanced schizophrenia, and at the time of our interview, was regularly receiving medication and counseling in a residential treatment unit. >> should have been in a mental hospital. it was 13 years, and i learned to deal with it. i feel that -- i feel that i

have done the time. especially my -- i wasn't a sane person when i did that back then. you don't eat brains from from someone's body if you're sane. >> many of the murderers we've interviewed show little or no remorse for their crimes. street is tormented by his. >> it's horrible. i -- i've come to terms with myself that i'm sure that someday i'm going kill myself. i've decided to do that so i can go be with my mom. i'm not what i used to be. i'm not crazy acting anymore, you know. got some new socks. that's what everybody's socks are looking like. like that.

that's all i have to say. >> in the wake of interviewing frank street and hearing the graphic details surrounding his mother's murder, the "lockup" team never imagine ad we'd encounter another inmate at w h washingtwash wabash with a similar story, but then we met joseph garner. >> 9.5 years. got 22.5 more to go. i've been -- my crime is murder, and i cannibalized during the process. >> garner killed his father on christmas eve, 1995. at the time, he believed his dad was preventing the second coming of christ. again, we'll warn you, his account of the murder is extremely graphic. >> i eventually told him to sit in the chair and not to move. and i started singing "the

battle hymn of the respepublic, "glory, glory hallelujah." i said, "they're coming." i was wigged out. he tried to push me aside. i thought he was attacking me. i stabbed him in the back. he took three steps, and i tackled him and somehow got around behind him and slit his throat. i remember him say, "pleases don't kill me." that's when i realized, oh, my god, what am i doing -- >> the producer described the interview as exhausting as he often took the conversation on bizarre tangents. >> each moment, whatever the latest measurement of time is -- repressed alien had snowballed emotionally and was repressed through drugs and alcohol and other -- witnessed by 10,000 people at a hoedown -- >> it was another few minutes before our producer could bring him back to the details of his crime. >> stick your finger in a wall socket -- >> he told us was shocking and disturbing. >> i pulled his brain out and

took a bite out of it. >> like frank street, garner was housed in the residential treatment unit. it was clear not only does he struggle with what he did but worries about what he still might do. >> oh, it's heinous. i believe in an eye for an eye and tooth for a tooth. if his my way, i think they should take my life. even though there were circumstances that were mitigating and aggravating that my judge pointed out, i think having crossed that line, it would be that much easier to go back across. there's less inhibition to take another life now, especially my own. i've threatened that several times. >> next on "lockup raw" --

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[ bleep ] of all the memorable inmates interviewed on "lockup," one made such a visually shocking impression that he stands alone in the history of the series. >> when you look at curtis with the tattoos all over his face, he's really physically intimidating. >> curtis, c-u-r-t-i-s, a-l-l-g-i-e-r. >> this terrifying looking guy, i was put at ease when i

realized he was soft spoken. >> i'm here for verbally foraging escape. at 1-15-2016. >> when we met him at the maximum security unit, it didn't take long for tattoos to become the focus of the interview. >> tell me a little about your tattoo, what some of them mean, when you got them. >> i've been getting tattoos since i was 13. my whole family tattoos. that's what i do on the streets. i'm a tattoo artist. and certain ones have meanings. i got my wife's name across my forehead. just that's how much i love my lady. other ones are my political beliefs. >> allgier's political beliefs have to too with his near lifelong affiliation with the skinheads. >> my whole family are skinheads. i was raised that way. born and raised into it. my dad, uncles, all my cousins. all my family. being a skinhead is a way of life. it's preserving your race.

it's being proud of who you are and wanting to better that. a swastika is a powerful symbol. i wear the symbolism of pride of who i am. i have a lot of them. >> he gave a more detailed account of his tattoo in this previously unaired footage. [ inaudible ] >> a toss-up between the toes, behind the leg, and the lip. the lip you got nerves. the toe, all the nerves end. i was thinking, yeah, they won't hurt that bad. oh -- don't look at me with my tattoo and go, oh, my god, that guy is a felon or white supremacist. i'm proud of who i am. and i'm proud to have my family be who we are. but i'm not a bad person because i got tattoos. being a white supremacist is not a bad thing. >> and according to allgieer, being a white supremacist doesn't halloween me belongs to one of utah state's white prison

gangs. >> you got the fourth reich and k.b., they're not white supremacist. they're not part of one. they were started by people who were rats and p.c. cases. >> interesting thing about curtis was he claims he's not in a gang. he's not a gang member. he's just a white supremacist. a skinhead. he felt there was a really, really severe difference. >> i'm no part of them. i've never been a part of them, nor will i ever be part of them. those in my mind are weak and lame. and -- they're not white supremacists, nor will they ever be. >> at that point, one of the officers leaned into my ear and said, "if you use that, he is going to get attacked. he's going to get stabbed." >> while inmates like allgeier are aware that talking about gangs could put them in peril, it's a risk they've taken time and time again whether interviewed on "lockup." >> we knew that theoretically

that soundbite might put him in danger, but we knew on the other hand how important it was to curtis that that distinction be made. that's the choice that we went with. >> finally, he spoke about the wife and two children he left behind on the outside. >> if i can look at pictures of my life, my family, my kids, it does a lot -- when you can look at them. if you ain't got something to look at, something positive, you're going to stay in here longer or when you come back, you'll be right back. i look at that and think, wow, they need me. i need to quit doing the lifestyle i'm doing and doing what i've been doing. >> two years after the interview, however, curtis allgeier would make the worst decision of his life. the one virtually guarantees he will die in prison. >> the suspect was able to get the guard's weapon away from him. and at least one shot was fired. >> on june 25th, 2007, during a visit to an area hospital, he allegedly disarmed, shot, and

killed the correctional officer escorting him. >> they called and told me that he had killed a cop. that he had escaped. i asked what had happened. he told me that he was sorry, that he loved me, and that -- he kept say, "i'm sorry, i love you." >> after fleeing the hospital, he was taken back into custody 45 minutes later at a fast food restaurant. >> i remember thinking, curtis was in for burglary, attorney - escape. he was going do less than 15 years. occurs is was going home. -- curtis was going home. and now he's never going home. >> it's not cool being here. living this lifestyle will screw up your life. i can't tell them don't do it because i've done. but i can tell them this isn't the way to go. you're not going to gain from coming here. you're going to lose everything.

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