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regular basis but not after the movie. but i'm so proud of their accomplishment. i'm so proud of this movie. >> great to know. thank you so much wanda for joining us. that's it for me on this hour. michael eric dyson picks up live coverage next. i'm michael eric dyson. tonight shake up, a new poll featuring republican contenders has some surprises and a controversial carly fiorina campaign you may not have heard ab. and trophy gate. a pro football players makes his kids return their trophies. the reason ahead. first donald trump arrived at the manhattan courthouse this morning for jury service. >> what will happen if you get picked for jury duty. >> going to be very interesting to see. >> [ inaudible ]. >> i look forward to it. something we have to do.
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>> like most of you trump rolled up in a stretch limousine. however he was just fulfilling his civic duty like the average american. this weekend was a different story. he was bat man. donald offered helicopter rides to children during a saturday campaign stop. one nine-year-old asked, are you bat man. trump confirmed, i am bat man. the missed engagement was a small blip on an otherwise successful week. trump avoided the state fair soap box sponsored by the des moines register as the by-product of the newspaper. a new poll shows trump still leading, doubling the candidate in second place. the strong poll numbers come after the tense republican debate. trump wasn't happy. he openfully complained that fox
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news wasn't treating him well. the president of the network called trump the next day. the relationship is pack on track. his relationship received a warm welcome. >> early christmas gift to conservatives who have looked at the immigration problem in this country and said can't anybody do anything. he's doing what he promised when it came to the most substantive and consequential issues out there. >> he spoke with chuck todd to elaborate. >> get rid of the birthright citizenship. >> you have to get rid of. you have to. what they are doing is having a baby and all of a sudden nobody knows. you have no choice. >> you believe -- >> you have no choice. >> the executive order gets rescinded. >> you will rescind that one too? >> you have to we have to make a whole new set of standards. >> immigration wasn't trump's only big reveal. he also divulged where his foreign policy intel comes from. >> who do you talk to for
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military advice right now. >> i watch the shows. i really see a lot of great. when you have all the people and you have certain people that you like. >> is there a certain go to for you? >> probably two or three. i like bolton. tough cookie. knows what he's talking. >> and colonel jack jacobs. >> chuck todd is informing policy. trump remains loyal to the medium. joining me is my panel. after trump called mexican immigrants rapist and criminals he still maintained the most favorable rating with latinos among the gop field.
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after this proposal to end birthright citizenship, can he maintain those numbers and still have a pull with latino citizens? >> you watch what happened this weekend and you think republican s remember when they were just wishing for a mere distraction. if trump wins there is no question this is going to be his policy. right wing media loves this policy and it is slow motion electoral suicide i think. if this is going to be the republican party standard bear. mitt romney won 20% of the latino vote. experts say republicans probably have to win 40%. if they follow this trump lead i think they are probably looking at 15% next year. so they are diminishing returns to be sure. >> scott walker just said he's in favor of ending birthright citizenship for undocumented immigrants as well. has trump had a kind of, you
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know, trend-setting effect in the party? >> i don't think so. i think he is making immigration a central issue that he's running on. it is a first policy proposal. he rolls out on immigration. but look another the republican field. marco rubio who promoted immigration reform. lindsey graham was part of the gang that put forth immigration reform. i think there is a lot of difference within the party. >> but those guys are losing though right? >> for now. it is really earl. go back four years and herman cain was in first place and go back eight years and look hat that race. rudolph jewel nn nn nny was in place so far. i don't think anybody should be measuring the drapes in the trump white house right now. >> trump says his foreign policy chops are built on tv news. on a journalist dooubl this is that strong enough foundation?
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we love chuck todd and the others. do you believe this is a basis for foreign policy. >> a lot of his campaign is just a joke. mr. trump doesn't have any consistent positions. they change constantly. this month he can't reveal a certain strategy for isis and a few days later wants to send troops in and take the oil money. he has a symbiotic relationship with the media. he's a creature of reality television and for many years the broadcast media, the corporate media has cast politics as reality television obsessing over the details. the media has really coveted trump. so it is a symbiotic relationship. >> speaking of that symbiotic relationship, they made up, that is fox news, awful quickly with donald trump. were they afraid of, you know, alienating the front runner? >> they sort of created trump. trump turned on them after the
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debate and sort of this standoff. it is unusual. i think fox news clearly backed down. i think they didn't realize the sort of creation they had made this, almost this frankenstein monster. >> does that embarrass megyn kelly to a certain degree. >> i don't know. she's on vacation, claims it had nothing to do with the fallout. roger ailes is sort of belatedly defending her. trump is the fox news id. so they should be on the same page but trump did not like being asked sort of routine questions at the debate. and look i was chuckling today. a contributor bemoaning the low information vote attorneys right who are embracing donald trump. fox news has dedicated itself to creating a generation of low information voters. so they are scrambling with this. sean hannity saying this is exactly why donald trump should be president.
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so this is an interesting civil war. >> trump is showing consistency in the polls. could these translate into a viable third party run for him? >> i think so. i think here is a scenario, if you have hillary clinton winning the nomination for the democrats, which she seems like she's in a little bit of trouble now so it is not as much of a lock as we thought months ago. and jeb bush. if he pulls out the republican nomination, you have two elites of the party running and that is the perfect scenario for donald trump to jump in the race and be against the elites. although he is in the lead himself he's not from an elite political family. look at the clintons, all the money they have made off politics and the bushes would be a fourth term of presidency. i don't think meshes are super excited about that race and they may be willing to consider donald trump as the third party candidate under those circumstances. >> looking at the most recent policy, trump has gone down a percent.
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but ben carson has rocketed to second place. why are voters rallying behind candidates with little or no political experience at you will? >> look across the world. we've seen a lot of western industrialized countries where neoliberal politicians have benefitted big business at the expense of the middle class. people are upset with establishment politicians and political parties across the board. and in many cases you find politicians who are willing to channel that anger and find convenient scape goats. for trump beating on immigrants and mr. carson is beating up on women and planned parenthood. and they are able to siphon off these votes and look like outside the box candidates. it is working for them but as your other candidapanelists men it is still early. >> thank you for your time tonight. hillary clinton is under increased scrutiny as more e-mails she sent from her personal account have been flagged for review.
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details next. plus a different kind of e-mail controversy brewing in the bernie sanders camp today. this one involves the black lives matter movement. we'll tell you what happened ahead. it's evil. and ladders. sfx: [screams] they have all those warnings on 'em. might as well say... 'you're gonna die, jeff.' you hired someone to clean the gutters. not just someone. angie's list helped me find a highly rated service provider to do the work at a fair price. ♪ everyone can shop, but members get more with reviews, live customer support, and better pricing. come see what the new angie's list can do for you.
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>> you felt an apology was necessary. >> no. i don't. we're going to be working with all groups. this was sent out without my knowledge. >> on this issue of black lives matter, let me be very clear. the issue they are raising is a very very important issue. and there is no candidate for president who will be stronger in fighting against institutional racism and by the way reforming a broken criminal justice system. chuck, we have more people in jail in the united states of
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america than any other country on earth. and we need real changes. we need to do away with the militarization of local police departments. we need to do away with minimum sentencing. we need education and jobs for young people rather than jails and incarceration. >> black lives matter protesters have been causing headaches for the sanders campaign. earlier this month they threatened to shut down a rally. meanwhile this doesn't seem to be hurting sanders. a new poll shows him climbing. two weeks ago the gap was 29 and a month ago clinton was leading by 40. for more james peterson and director of african studies at university and rapper lil b. brother lil b thank you so much for joining us. >> hey dr. dyson. how you doing?
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thank you for having me. appreciate it. >> give us a sense why you are supporting senator sanders over hillary clinton. >> well, you know, sir, just from coming from the bay area, you know, being around places like oakland, where they have the divide in east oakland where we need to raise minimum wage. there is a lot of poor people out there but a lot of great people that need help. and, you know, that is why black lives do matter. a lot of different minorities and a lot of different people in general. bernie sanders wants to rebuild, i heard he wants to rebuild bridges and, you know, also fighting against the fossil fuels. and things of that nature. you know what i'm saying? so i'm really down for that. because i'm always down to conserve and save energy. i don't like these new plans where people are trying to build upon the land that is already there, tear down the land -- for the animals because these are our people the our brothers and sisters regardless of what
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anybody says. >> listen to lil b intelligently articulate his defense of bernie sanders suggests there is more than age or even gender or even race at stake here in the decisions among african american constituency so embrace either candidate. in light of what he said give us the difference between sanders and clinton when it comes to racial issues and their effect on these? >> any time that young people are engaged. and doc, you know this. i'm deeply invested in artists being leaders and artists using their platforms to make sure that young people engage social justice issues and political issues. i would want for folks to not think that their only options are just senator sanders or former secretary clinton. that what black lives matters means as the movement is that there is an opportunity right now to make sure that certain
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issues are on the national stage, that certain issues are on the national platform. what is interesting about what lil b is talking about and what black lives matters is doing is, you know, whether or not people vote for sanders or vote for clinton. there are going to be certain issues on the table as a result of this movement and as a result of young people engaged in the movement. so issues like climate change and climate issues. issues like criminal justice reform. reforming mass incarceration policies across the nation. there are going a lot of issues that will be on the table as a result of people being engaged and that is going make clinton and sanders better candidates. >> no doubt. is the black lives matter movement being fair to senator sanders and pressing him so aggressively? >>, you know, i think the black lives matter movement can go about it differently. you know, but the end of the day
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too these are non violent protests. and these people have urgent feelings they want to bring to the national -- you know, to the people in the world. and speaking of the injustices in the judicial system and as well as like the jails, i would personally love to see cameras in the courtrooms. i feel like that is one of the last places there are a lot of injustices. and we need too see what is going on with these judges and inside the courtroom so we can understand better as a people. but with the black lives matter and bernie sanders, i think he's handling it extremely classy. and, you know, just continue to learn with his brothers and sisters. we are all one. we are the same. we have problems that we all need to deal with. but i think it is about accepting them, not cringing when you hear about them and having empathy. we need a lot more empathy and need to understand that hey, your problems are just as big as
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anybody else's. and protect trans gender people and also homosexual and gay people which is a big thing and not a lot are really fighting for and i wanted to definitely be the first to say that too because a lot of trans gender people are losing their lives and that is something people won't talk about. >> in light of lil b defending as a rapper and hip hop artist trans gender and gay and lesbian shows the cantankerous differences obtained within black communities about the choices with e make. do you think the black lives matter movement is being fair to senator sanders by shutting him down, not seeing whether or not if he's learned to integrate into his own vocabulary and speech the very lessons they want to teach him. what is your response? >> i feel like the sanders camp should see this as an honor, doc. and i know that sounds counterintuitive. but the whole idea that the black lives matters movement
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seems to be focused on the sanders campaign suggests to me they are invested in it in a way they are not invested in any other candidates. why don't they protest donald trump? they don't care about donald trump. donald trump is not even close to having the capacity to represent the issues that they are trying to put on the table. they feel like sanders a little closer, maybe not close enough but closer. and so he becomes the smartest political target. and i think they are starting to wear it that way. as you saw from twitter today, senator sanders and other leaders from the black lives movement have greed sit down and talk more directly. so i think at the end of the day what we've seen over the course of the last several weeks and months with the black lives matters movement and political processes has been very energizing and i think very very powerful. they are going to continue to push candidates. they are going to continue to assert themselves and certain discourse topics into the political public sphere. and i think all candidates in the entire presidential process
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is going to be better for that. >> i want to thank you very much. we understand this is somebody's born date. we thank you lil b for spending it this way. >> thank you my friends. honored to be with you dr. dyson. thank you. >> thank you so much for yoing us. still to come carly fiorina may be rising in the polls but position on childhood vaccinations may make some think twice. >> and julian bond, his legacy on justice in equality in america. and at 9:00 eastern tonight the rachel mad ddow show had a video of black lives matters protesters confronting hillary clinton. you don't want to miss that.
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rights and equality. julian bond died in florida this weekend. tributes have been pouring in. president obama called bond a hero who changed the country for the better. others called him an icon and trail blazer. >> julian bond first game to prominence as founding member of the student non violent coordinating committee. it became a national movement and moved towards militantsy in the late 60s. >> appeal to a what they thought was a conscience in the country and found it couldn't be appealed to. it wasn't responsive. that the whole movement in fact i think tried to appeal to the conscience and got no response. and now they are interested and think their rhetoric and public pronouncements and militantizing the black population in the
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country if that is a word. >> bond left the group and went to politics in georgia and was elected in 1965 to the georgia house of representatives. the body refused to seat him because of the opposition to the vietnam war and his support to those who resisted the draft. a u.s. supreme court decision a year later finally helped. he took on the carter administration over the lack of african americans holding federal judgeships. >> only one black and two females sit today. and the southern regional kourns says the numbers of minorities appointed in the future will remain low. this process reresulted in a collection of white men. >> his political career peaked in the georgia legislature but not his activism. he went onto the first president of the southern poverty law center. he became chairman of the naacp
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and held the post a decade. he spoke two years ago on the 50th anniversary of the 1963 march on washington. >> we are still being tested by hardships and diversity. from the elevation of stand your ground laws to the e vis radiation of the voting rights act. but today we commit ourselves as with we did 50 years ago to greater efforts and grander victories. >> i'm joined now by a legend and icon himself, the reverend doctor james forbes. dr. forbes, summon for us the image of who julian bond was and what his legacy means to you. >> well julian bond actually is a part of a group of people we used to call radical race men. but that was a special quality of his radicality. he was like king and ella baker
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and wyatt walker and andy young. radical relationists with a passionate concern for justice but also a patient spirit of hopefulness regarding reconciliation. that is a special kind. that is the kind of guy he was. >> right. >> a first radical in a sense because he saw some things other people didn't see. you looked at him. you saw his afro. everybody knew that here is a guy who has come from mixed ancestry. in his blood there were white and black forces at work. he saw the dark, demon ic aspecs of race. and he understood that whatever it was, it was like the plague. he affected white folks and black folks. and he had a desperate desire to see us come to our senses and recognize, listen folks, we were in this together.
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it affected us together. we will not fulfill our destiny unless we do it together. so this is -- here is a man who saw the ugliness of it but who was deeply concerned that if we're going to get out of it we got to get out of together. >> together. >> and he joined with morris des, white man. worked together to make sure you know the truth about this situation. legislature, in terms of the hate groups, in terms of what the klan was doing. and at the same time he worked across lines. like he was trying to say look, we got into it together and we're only getting out together. >> working together that. effort to reconciliation, the impalai impulse to bringing opposites together preserved the unity of the nation while admitting the dark ugliness of the white supremacy and racial terror but
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at the same time the work that could be done in concert with each race and others to make this a better country to live in. why is that important? >> well you see julian bond seemed to recognize, listen, if you are going to really serve justice, you got to work with folks who don't look like you, who don't think like you, who don't even vote like you. but if they have a basic commitment to moving us towards what doctor king called a beloved community, they want justice and they want freedom and they want to be happy and they want to be productive, guess what folks? we're gong to have to do that together. nobody is going to make it to that finish line, not in style, unless the other happens to be somewhere close around. >> greatly stated. so el quantitily as well. we think about sncc, student non violent coordinating committee. ella baker. bob moses. julian of course, they believe
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in a movement that all people are centers of moral gravity and they have a right to influence those who come within their orbit. they don't have to have a preacherly top down movement. we see the black lives matter movement 50 some odd years later and they too have a similar non centered movement where leadership occurs. some think it is chaotic but it has potentially great results. speak to us between the difference between sncc and black lives matters and other orpgss. >> actually my family relationship with julian came. david forbes, my brother was president of the student body that hosted the first gathering of sncc at shaw in the early 60s. that is where he met julian. and what they discovered was that everybody around king recognized that he did not have a king-like spirit in terms of being in charge of everybody. he respected everybody and expected everybody to bring the
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best you have got to put to the mission that is at hand. that kind of democratic spirit. that kind of egalitarian understanding that the lord never put all the wisdom in one brain. that was what helped make sncc what it had to be. it even had some folks really radical in a more destructive sense than julian bond was willing to do. the black lives matter movement is not made of all people with ph.d.s like you guys have. this is is like whoever has demonstrated a commitment and you got some courage to go along with your commitment and you are willing to work with other people and the litmus test do you care for the movement? then you ca than you care for your own ego and own photo ops. >> dr. james forbes, thank you so much for joinings us here
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. the vaccination debate has hit the campaign trail. carly fiorina says she wants parents to hold the power. last week during a stop in iowa fiorina was asked by a stance on the topic by a mother of five who claimed one of her children had a adverse reaction to vaccination. >> when you have highly communicable diseases where we have a vaccine that is proven like measles or mumps then i think a parent can make that choice. then i think a school district is well reason their rights to say sorry your child cannot attend public school. so a parent has to make those tradeoff. i think when talking about more of the esoters of the esoter esoteric immuniza think absolutely you should have that choice. then a school can't say sorry your kid can't come to the school. >> she continued sharing a story
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saying her own daughter felt bullied by the school nurse when she hesitated to get the hpv vaccine. and called it's take and contrasted it to the measles vaccine. some reaction to fiorina's remarks has not been kind. it is important to note vaccination mandates and exemptions are matters of state, not federal or local law. but she still has support from iowa voters. fiorina has 7% of the vote in iowa, tide fir fifth place with ted cruz. joining me now is my panel. dock, what is your reaction to carly fiorina's stance on vaccines? >> it was very upsetting. for her to mention the word esoteric, you have to really be
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able to step into a scientific arena to decide what is important and what is esoteric. she doesn't have the credentials to do that and we have so many studies to show that that vaccine, including the hpv vaccine as well as the myriad of other vaccines we give to young people and as well as the elderly population prevent disease. i think she should stay in her lane and pick a side. >> fiorina says schools should be able to deny admittance if they haven't had certain vaccines. is that something you agree with? >> i don't really think it is about dupreeing with it or not agreeing with it. it is about a parent should have the ultimate right to choose what medical treatment happens to their children, what gets injected into their children and the doctor says that we have all of this scientific research but really honestly when it comes to vaccines we have very little unbiased research. the research done is done by the cdc or the vaccine manufacturers and it is not unbiased.
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we heard from congressman posey in the last week or couple of weeks. he put it on congressional record tha there were cdc documents regarding related to the mmr vaccine that were fraudulently shredded. they basically showed that african american boys are three times more likely to get autism from the mmr vaccine. and that there are other links to autism. and they chose to take them to a garbage can and shred them into a garbage can at the cdc. a whistle blower decided to not do that because he knew it was illegal. and he handed them over to congressman posey and congressman posey has now requested there is a congressional hearing into that. >> -- [inaudible]. let me just ask you this very quickly. what about if parents have religious reasons that restrict their children from being
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subject to vaccines that everybody else has agreed could make them a vulnerable to disease? do you think at that level that one should have absolute authority and autonomy to determine as a parent which vaccines will and will not be had by one's children? >> i think when it comes to a parent's right to choose, all vaccines have a risk associated them. just look at the vaccine package inserts -- >> i'm saying specifically even in light of greater vulnerability they might be exposed or to the illness they might spread. >> i got -- >> it is ultimately the parent's choice and there are risks involved. and that is in the package insert. >> all right. let me let -- [ inaudible ] >> wait wait, stop. first f all let's talk about the 107 studies that have been proven to show that vaccines have been safe and vaccines are not -- >> and who has conducted -- >> let him finish though.
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>> who has conducted those -- >> let him finish and then we'll get you back? >> and -- and one study in 1998 that show 12 patients that got mmr and got autism -- >> i'm not talking about any of that. >> and that doctor has been discredited and lied and -- inaudible. >> let me finish. [inaudible] >> not to mention the last study that was done in the journal of american medical association which looked at over 100,000 children and showed no increase in autism -- it also did not -- >> let me finish. >> it -- >> [ inaudible ]. >> you have one study to say that it did -- >> no no. >> make your second point. doctor. >> let me finish. now when you asked about the question about the parents right, there are some diseases that are so contagious meaning
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measles, if you get in a room with a person that has the measles, the odds are that you are going to get the measles, 90% chance. so let's look at this. a person that is less than one year of age can't get the measles vaccine but can transmit it. so that is why we have a problem. so just because you don't want to get the measles vaccine you are putting my child at risk. >> let mer respond to that. >> -- encephalitis. i -- >> let her respond that. >> if we go back to the studies footwork y if you look at the cochrane report, it basically said it is an open door. the research is non conclusive either way. >> the door is closed. >> i'm not even talking about -- >> [ inaudible ]. other piece i'm referring to is you can't base science on stuff that is fraudulent that you have been told that is correct but is fraudulent. the cdc. >> your whole concept of your
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study is fraudulent. dr. wakefield his whole study is -- >> i'm not talking about dr. wyc field. i'm talking about the cdc, here in america. >> thank you so much for your time tonight. we'll resolve these matters as a later date.
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welcome back. pittsburgh steelers linebacker james harrison is saying no way to participation trophies. the five-time pro bowler is not happy about his sons receiving participation awards. harrison posted a picture over the weekend and wrote, i came home to find out that my boys received two trophies for nothing. participation trophies. while i'm very proud of my boys for everything they do and will encourage them to the day i die, these trophies will be given back until they earn one. i'm sorry i'm not sorry for believing everything in life should be earned and i'm not about to raise two boys to be men to make them believe they are entitled to something because they tried their best because sometimes your best is not enough. giving out participation awards is more common for kids. many think the practice is wrong because it praises every kid for
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trying and not winning. james harrison's background shows why he wrote the post. harrison was a walk on at kent state university and went undrafted in 2002 and played the season for the nfl in europe and fired by the ravins. in 2005 he joined the steeler where is he went on to win two super bowl rings. for more, let me bring in sage rosen field and my man donte star worth. are these participation trophies bad for kids? >> well, i think what we're talking about here is entitlement and, you know, james harrison looks like he grew up and had to earn everything he got. he has had a great nfl career and probably paid a lot of money, and i think that's one challenge sometimes when you're really successful financially is to create an atmosphere where your children are not entitled. that's his biggest concern is entitlement.
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i understand that. i have three kids myself. i feel like evening that i got that i received. i went to iowa state. it was a backup quarterback and nfl i was a backup for almost my entire career. i understand earning everything you get and i'm a big believer of rewarding my kids with a good job if they work hard and play hard and play within the rules and good sportsmanship. that's what i enjoy watching with my kids, is they do their best but i definitely will say something after a game. >> saying something is one thing. you seem to agree with game ms harrison, if i can gauge you right right there? >> i've always never really understand the participation trophy. i don't understand every kid at a birthday party getting a gift. the kid with the birthday party should get the gift. it's a little rude to give that trophy back but he can have a conversation about working hard and earning everything you get. >> donte, you earned everything
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you got and worked hard. what do you think about the participation trophys? >> i'm kind of in the same boat. you look at today ease children, you look at today's generation, whether if you want to call them the facebook generation or video game generation, i think it is a lot, unfortunately now, we look at our children to get off the coach and go outside and play. the nfl has nfl play 60 where encourage kids to get 60 minutes of playing time. it's a different way he grew up opposed to what his children are growing up in. there are a lot more distractions for children to not be as active. you mentioned it, michael, you look at james' background and he worked hard to accomplish everything that he's done just not nfl but life and he want still that. >> did either of you get
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participation trophies? >> i didn't. >> i was lucky enough to win a lot of trophies by winning tournaments but maybe in my days you got a ribbon. that's about it. >> did james harrison either tackle you guys? is that why you're agreeing with him? >> i was going to make that point about sage, i thought sage would agree with it. i ran away from james. he was too big. >> it wasn't a problem he had to grow up with. most people don't. a lot of people that become successful and earn a lot of money, which he has, that's a change they see in their children is that a lot of times people they are around in private schools and those types of things don't always have to earn everything and the parents are extremely successful and wealthy and a promise new to him and he doesn't like results he's seen by some of those entitlement-type issues. >> do we see it in pursuit where people feel entitled, come in,
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on third base and hit a triple. is this the same entitlement that is plaguing the rest of america? >> i think so. i mean, i think there is a lot of that. of all the things that i would not want to be described as or want my children to be described as, i think entitled is a really bad word to be -- >> how about you, donte? >> i do my best for my kids not to have that. >> how about you, donte. >> i totally agree. that's a label no one really wants. you always want to be known as the blue collar person that worked for everything they earned and yeah, to get that label would not be something good or not something anyone really wants to have. >> it does seem sports is the ultimate decider of those who get what they get because you earned it. not your age, race, gender, orientation but your skill and at l athleticism and what you've done on the field. thank you both so much for your time tonight. >> thanks, michael. >> i'm michael eric dyson,
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"politics nation" starts now. tonight on "politicians nation" deporting people who should be american citizens, even babies. that's donald trump's plan and a lot of republicans agree with him. plus, the other amazon controversy. what's happened in warehouses. >> jeb bush gets slammed for his iraq comments from both the left and the right and new hints about president obama's agenda after the white house. welcome to "politics nation." we begin with donald trump and the gop's lurch to the right on immigration. forget self-deportation. their new line, babies born in america shouldn't automatically be