believe they are the gop front-runners, donald trump and jeb bush. they're soon going to kick off events just ten miles from each other. trump announced the event pretty last minute. and well aware that he would be near bush. he told reporters, because bush draws so poorly, i figured it would be a good time to draw a crowd. trump still leads bush in national polls. registered voters, look at this, they view trump favorably and he says he counter punches and never picks fights he singled out bush more by name saying he has the wrong approach on women's health, wrong foreign policy in iraq and says bush is just too low energy for the white house. we have more on that this hour. but with tonight's events hours away we begin in new hampshire where nbc news political embed ali vitali is reporting. donald trump is taking it to jeb bush. when's the big idea? >> reporter: yeah.

that's absolutely right. i love that. the duel in new hampshire is a good way of putting this because the events being so close to each are not done by accident. frequently at the events, trump hits jeb bush more frequently than the other gop rivals frequently saying he is on the wrong side of women's health issues, tying him to former president bush's mistakes in iraq and just saying that he's generally lackluster in energy and sometimes making jokes he should be taking a nap so it's really no surprise it's become this level and in terms of crowd size, the trump folks are expecting just shy of 2,000 people, the last estimate we were told and bush's typical crowd size in new hampshire that of a few hundred so mr. trump while being typically brash in the rhetoric wasn't that far off base in terms of the crowd size that's typically drawn here between the two candidates in the state. >> well, ali, you have a front row seat to something a lot would like to see. have fun out there. we'll bring in strategist susan del persono.

let's look at it like this. donald trump loves media, of the media, reality tv show star and competing in the media. and bragging about his ratings. fine. he also has a lot of money. he'll be the first to tell you that. he says it gives him some independence. it may be true. today seems different, trying to compete in field. in voter contact. in grassroots organizing and it eels fair to say he has ptd led and doesn't have the staff. can he do this on the ground? >> we'll find out. he was much more successful in iowa than people thought he would be at the state fair. he has to do the retail stuff but he's throughout so much in the media and almost overshadows the hand shaking that you have to do in a state like new hampshire. >> as you know from working on campaigns, rekrutdment. people in iowa and new hampshire, they go to see more than one candidate. your krocrowd size is not just

supporters. does he have the infrastructure to did the voter contact, get their information and follow up? getting them to come see the trump show in august to check it out is easier than getting them to turn out say in iowa or new hampshire in the snow in january. >> that's a good point. a state like iowa, you have to get people to caucus for you. they don't have to just vote. they have to go get other people and change other people's minds. but he has started to do that. he's ten people on the ground in iowa which is huge and all of the events inviting people and giving out the free lunch collecting people's e-mail addresses and he has -- >> there is a plan. >> there is a plan and seeing it roll out more and more. trump is a different candidate than two weeks ago. he's really started to conduct himself like a candidate. and we'll see how he does in that transition. >> yeah. i'm reminded of maureen dowd's astute comment, sometimes she puts it better than anyone, he is still a punch line and no longer a joke.

>> correct. >> for a lot of folks in the republican party and perhaps america that's something to reckon with. i want to get to carly fiorina, as well. it is not only trump here although he's making his mark. she is moving up in the polls. she's done that as many pointed out despite being held off the man club, the old boys' debate and yet somehow punching through anyway and cuts against convention aal wisdom. >> there's one thing it does play into conventional wisdom. she had a great debate performance and that made a difference. even -- >> at the pre-debate. >> she got so much coverage for it. she actually made it into the main debate. and that's -- >> explain what you mean by that. >> with some of the answers, she was absolutely clips of her debate brought up into the prime time debate and she will probably now be in the next debate in september. but what's really interesting, she has a great story but she is a product of the media now. all the media hype. that's changed the numbers. people are now listening to her and that's her next challenge

will they like what they hear now they're getting know her? >> if she is at ragan library there in mid-september with the next big date is, people see her quoted and head to head. >> she really after trump she really had the head lines after that debate. >> right. and that goes to another part of not to caricature the republican primary. so many people, voting blocs. not just trump. and people are looking for something different in her than the business leadership of donald trump. i want to go -- >> they're also looking for something different from the regular politician between him -- >> anti-establishment. >> between trump, carson and fiorina, you are looking at close to 44% of the vote among the 3. they're the outsiders. >> right. i want to go to the democratic side and hillary clinton is speaking again about her e-mails. 305 have been formally flagged for review with the inclusion of classified information. the aides telling us that voters are over this issue. reporters are not. they say that's a problem.

but one that's not of their making. or one that voters care about. clinton spoke about this directly in the press conference. >> in retrospect, what was supposed to be convenient has turned out to be anything but convenient. all i can tell you in retrospect, if i used a government account and i had said, you know, let's release everything, let's let everybody in america see what i did for four years, we would have the same arguments. so, that's all i can say. >> wipe the whole server? >> i'm not -- you know, i don't -- i have no idea. that's why we turned it over. >> you said you were the official in charge. did you wipe the server? >> like with a cloth or something? well no. thank you all very much. >> for the remainder of your campaign? >> nobody talked to me about it other than you guys. >> you see her there. that's the -- that's a new thing. that's the hands up pant suit dismissal. and you can see this i think from both sides. on the one hand, there are

serious questions about the freedom of information act and whether she played by the same rules as everyone else. on the other hand, you watch it there and did you wipe the server? what was the exact code? where was the thing held? i don't know that any politician including jeb bush who also had a server would know a lot about their server. that's not the point, is it? >> it's not but the way she responds to the questions is the point. her flippant comment or snapchat and those things just disappear on those own, those turn people off. she has a serious problem and that's doj, nsa and most important fbi investigation. and i think what she's purposely staying her comments on these -- the status of these e-mails because right now what she actually did is going to be investigated and going to reflect poorly on the obama administration and -- >> let me ask you. what do you say -- >> it says she is treated like somebody else.

she was hillary clinton. not just any secretary of state. >> she was special. >> this is going to be a big, big problem for the obama white house and i think it's going to carry over on to her. >> let's split the difference of your point there. one hand saying is she got to use a different system than most government employees. most diplomats don't get to say i'll do everything on a different e-mail system and that's a real problem. when you talk about the investigation as if that's an indictment, it's not. the fact that the fbi's looking into it, she's not a target of that. don't we have to be fair about the fact of a review doesn't mean she did anything wrng. >> that's certainly true. you're a lawyer. you know that better than anybody but i know public purr sepgs. a server stored a loft in someone's bathroom is not what people expect the security level to be. >> they were talking about this on fox last night. >> they talk about it everywhere. even here this morning. >> i don't mean that that way but saying in a bathroom.

why is that so e voktive? does that tell voters this wasn't a top-flight operation? >> correct. it was not professional. that's what comes out of this. she wasn't keeping -- this was not a secure place. this was not a professional place. it was a place with potential political connections, that's how they got the gig. there was references to the firm being involved with the governor of colorado at the time. she did this in a -- actually, i shouldn't even say that. it's worse. the people allowed this to happen. i'm sure hillary clinton didn't know where the server was being stored and the fact she didn't ask questions and ensure that it was going to be kept in a secure situation, is her problem. >> you're doing something important i think is hitting on the question about management. not the conspiracy theory of, oh, did it mean she has something to hide but a well-run decision? did it have the appropriate operational security and did she though it was going on? as you're suggesting if that comes out as ignorance, that's

something to consider perhaps by voters. always good to have you. >> thanks. a number of other stories this hour, including trump on the cover of a big magazine talking clinton, his cash and thinking of bill cosby. also, a lot of weather to tell you about, a rarity this summer. fourth named tropical storm. but this storm danny will be worth watching and bet we are. plus, can the postal service deliver on the promise to take on amazon? tom costello has that story signed, sealed and delivered. stay with us. everyone loves the picture i posted of you. at&t reminds you it can wait.

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cover of the new "hollywood reporter." interviewed him for several hours and the business titan goes after everyone from hillary clinton to bill cosby in that piece. he also reveals in the interview he turned down $5 million from a lobbyists and says he'd rather be independent. it is not all glowing press for trump. there's a new report in "the national review" saying trump pursuing tax breaks for his companies. while the kaharticle says neith trump nor aides would respond. the author of that piece joins us now. good day to you. >> thank you. >> what did you find in this investigative report? >> trump tower, the mid-manhattan residential building, receiving $163 million in corporate subsidies. it is a tax incentive.

and this is despite, you know, trump listing this on his financial disclosure form as in the maximum bracket for value and the maximum bracket for income bragginging aability the gucci in the basement is worth more money than mitt romney. for him to get a tax incentive raises questions. >> because he didn't need it or a hypocrite? >> i think potentially both. and we really need to see a tax plan come out from him. there have been some comments back and forth. but i think, you know, subsidies, prempbt shl treatment of businesses of government is a big issue for conservatives. there is some concern about, you know, trump saying in the debate i give money to politicians and pick up the phone and they do what i tell them to do and questions of whether this is one of the circumstances. "the los angeles times" did in 2011 a very good report of trump's received subsidy after subsidy and donating every from the local level to the federal

level and it's a question of whether it played in on the treatment he's receiving. >> what do you say to the counter argument if people are frustrated they should go after the politicians who create the laws and loopholes and not the business people that understandably seek to exploit them? >> i certainly understand the understand that new yorkers pay a lot of taxes and can't fault him for taking advantage of a tax break where he can get it. he's running as an anti-establishment candidate and this suggests i think his debate performance also suggests that far from being anti-establishment he is part of an establishment, part of an establishment where you can take advantage of this and pull the connections and get preferential treatment and we have to put it in context. new yorkers pay on average 15% taxes per capita on the income. highest corporate taxes in the u.s. you know? we really get slammed with taxes so he's getting something that no one else is getting far luxury building.

>> putting it like that it's an interesting rebuttal to what he said at the big debate, yeah, this is the pay for play culture. what a problem. be mad at the politicians for it. and he wants to sort of exempt himself and other successful business people from the other side of it, folks asking for the favor. i also want to put you on the spot. are you okay with that? >> sure. >> on live tv. with "the national review" itself, a conservative magazine with some opinions. i want to read from a previous editorial of mr. trump regarding some of the ideas he's put forward. even for a campaign this is the national review, that's largely substituted adjectives for ideas, trump's recent comments on immigration remarkable coming from an immigration making immigration a keystone, the failure is instructive and the other candidates should learn from it. what do you say to folk who is look at this and think, well, this is a conservative magazine that prefers other conservative republicans to donald trump?

>> well, they're very much -- that's the editorial side of it. i tend to focus on the investigative stuff but in a field this competitive, part of the benefit of that is that we have a conflict of ideas, a conflict of personalities. and certainly there's opportunity to look into all of the candidates and we hope to continue to do sigh do you think donald trump's ideas such as they are are good for conservatism? >> we don't know many of his ideas right now. that's part of the problem. calling his office trying to get, you know, basic details on whether he supports tax abatements, policies we want to see, whether they're the kind of policies he would put forth, it's doiflt get a question. we have a lot of personality, a lot of bluster. >> i want to pause on this. difficult to get the answer, do you think because, you know, we all in the newsroom call different campaigns and get different reactions to different things. do you think that's because they have a strategy, they don't want to go down the road of issues whereas you said some might see

him as hypocritical or they don't know and making it up as they go along and unlike people with a record in government, a record of policy, people who have thought about the issues or written about them, this is someone he knew he liked tax abatements making him money and doesn't know and thus the voters can't know whether he supports these kind of tax breaks as a matter of public policy. >> i want to put the questions to the campaign and frustrating i wasn't able to get a straight answer. i think right now what we have to look at it is history and we see a lot of things that resemble crony capitalism. it is not just the trump tower. the grand hyatt. a 40-year tax abatement on that. pretty much unprecedented. tax breaks in nevada, atlantic city, florida. you have a history of him and even kind of a boastful history of him going out and taking the beneficial preferential treatments and i think that's a question of vote earls really

need an answer to. >> that's where we land on this. final political question. you are immersed in this. conservatives look to "national review" as conservative thought. i think you would agree thus far what you just identified has not hurt him yet with conservative voters. why not? >> surement it has hurt him with some. but i think right now conservatives are very fed up with political correctness and very fed up with the establishment. i think they're drawn to his willingness to be bombastic, to say the things nobody else wants to say. he is more out there than chris christie and resonates with them. they're sick of that you got to be very careful, watch what you say politician paranoia and not just personality that makes a good politician. but we don't know about his policy. >> jillian -- >> thank you. >> thank you. other news head lines straight ahead inl colluding a plea that has many subway fanls completely stunled. first, about 40 minutes out from

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developing right now, the former face of subway is facing a federal judge today. jared fogle agreed to plead guilty to child porn and sex charges. the d.a. prosecuting him spoke out. >> jared fogle expects to go to prison. he'll do his time. he expects to get well. >> let's call this what it is. this is about using wealth, status and secrecy to illegally exploit children. >> nbc's kevin tibbles is outside the courthouse. been covering this story for us. kevin, what happens next? >> reporter: well, what happens next is that we wait for the sentencing to take place. that date has not been announced yet. jared fogle did appear in court

this morning wearing a somber black suit. he was expected to give some sort of a statement after leaving but in the end did not do so. we did hear from his lawyer as you have just played a short clip from him. fogle left in a car. that was driven by someone else. had some security with him. and we're expecting that that sentencing will probably take several weeks or months. in the meantime, he is supposed to be wearing some form of a gps tracking device to ensure that the authorities are aware of his whereabouts at all time. in fact, when the district attorney was asked at one point whether or not they thought he was a flight risk, he said that well he hasn't fled and if he did he would be hunted down, brought back and tried yet again. so, that's the situation here in indianapolis. mr. fogle is obviously not staying at his family home. his family has released a statement essentially saying

that they're shocked and horrified with the actions of mr. fogle. we've also lernled that his wife is now filed for divorce from him, as well. of course, subway which broke the ties with him when the story first broke about a month ago again released a statement saying that it, of course, mr. fogle's actions in no way can be tied or can be related to the standards and what subway rest rapts hopes to put out there for its customers, ari. >> kevin tibbles, thank you for that report. we turn to another important legal case. alleged rape at a prep school. with new difficult testimony today as the accuser took the stand, this is the second day of that testimony, she said that she felt violated, she had no control and initially she didn't know how to describe with what happened to her and she felt like she couldn't say no. the 19-year-old defendant does maintain his innocence. msnbc's joe my novogard has the

story from new hampshire. >> reporter: ari, the accuser in the case is being cross-examined after a long day, really day and a half of testimony from her on really the intimate details of what she says happened that night. she say that is she felt frozen. she say that is she felt scared. though she say that is she tried to say no and though she said she did not kick or scream, and instead said no, that the defendant in the case became too assertive and that she was unable to stop him. the prosecution says that this all happened as a result or as part of a school tradition of departing seniors of graduating seniors seeking out underclass men and sexual conquests with them. the defense said that e-mail exchanges between the accuser and the defendant show that the

accuser was a willing participant and now the accuser is being questioned by the defense attorney about this school tradition and we can expect that she will later be questioned about these e-mail exchanges. in the meantime, this is all casting the school itself as you say an elite boarding school here in concord in a very uncomfortable light. the school put out a statement saying that allegations about what happened that night in may 2014 are not emblematic of the school's values or culture and in the meantime the defendant has pleaded not guilty to all of the charges which include some felony sex assault charges. the defense attorney says that the defendant will testify later in this trial, ari. >> jamie, in new hampshire for us, thank you for that. nourt named tropical storm of the atlantic season danny on track to be potentially the first hurricane of the season by this weekend. whether channel meteorologist alex wilson at world

headquarters in atlanta, where's danny right now? >> danny's still way out there, ari. i mean, we are talking eastern central atlantic. see the coast of africa there. this has a long ways to go before it given gets close to the u.s. but we noticed winward islands here. they'll look at impacts possibly early to midpart of next week and showing how long this still has yet to go across the atlantic. right now with danny, we have winds at 50 miles per hour with this one. the pressure dropped to 1,000 millibars moving west at 12 miles per hour and moving through an area of weak shear. talking about winds changing direction with height or winds changing speed at height, that's shear. that oftentimes just topples these tropical systems, makes them fall apart. in a weak shear environment, that's when the systems thrive. we expect the storm to strengthen in the weekend and even early next weekend. here's a look at the spaghetti

models. different forecast model showing they're all on track and continues off towards the west-northwest. again, working off towards the west of the windward islands early next week and then affecting the caribbean islands into the middle part of next week. depending on what it does beyond that point. still some uncertainty with the models. will this strengthen beyond the five-day forecast? will it begin to weaken getting closer to the u.s. something we continue to watch. her's the five-day forecast and we at least have some certainty to anticipate this is going to strengthen. by friday morning, we expect this to become a hurricane. we expect it to strengthen into the weekend. now we have knocked down the speeds a bit. the national hurricane center thinking 100 miles per hour. now they're thinking 90, 85 miles per hour into the upcoming weekend and monday morning around 80 miles per hour. but notice that big swing in the track still plenty of uncertainty, the further out we get in danny's forecast.

we have an area to watch closer to bermuda. 40% of this becoming a tropical cyclone. however, notice that movement off towards the north and east and five-day possible development area, it's staying away from land and we expect the storm to stay out to sea not affecting the u.s. coastline. ari? >> all right. alex, thank you for that update. u.s. postal service continuing to weather a financial storm. the agency's hoping to turn the tide. tom costello auds a post office in d.c. to explain how. >> reporter: good day to you. no secret that the postal service is struggling with declining mail volumes. but now all of us want our stuff as soon as we can get it. today if we can. now u.p.s. and fed-ex in the same day delivery and so is the postal service. if you think of the quaint snail mail leftover from the preinternet age -- >> here's the package addressed

to jimmy and susan. >> reporter: -- think again. it's suddenly taking it up a notch, ramping up same-day delivery on the east and west coast. while amazon.com dreams of f flying drones, amazon is using the postal service for same-day rush shipments which is offering to do it cheaper than fed-ex or u.p.s. >> it's good to be competitive. >> customers should have as many options as possible to get the service they're looking for. >> reporter: make no mistake, the u.s.p.s. has work cut out for itself. e-mail and internet cut by 20% first class mail volumes. their bread and butter. but online shopping and package delivery are booming. now same-day rush deliveries. in a statement, the u.s.p.s. tells nbc news, it's all about enhancing the customer experience and increasing customer convenience. >> we really believe that the

services we're uniquely capable of providing really make the postal service both viable and necessary in the future. >> reporter: what's next? the new postmaster general wants congress to approve shipments of alcohol. but the agency still has big financial problems. buried under congressional requirements that prepaid billions in retiree health care ben filths. last year, posted a $5.5 billion loss. >> u.s. postal service is coming through with a pretty bold initiative and will it be enough to turn the tide as quickly as they need to do so? it remains to be seen. >> reporter: the postal service gets no tax dollars but baz it's a quasi government agency, there's an unfair pricing advantage that fed-ex and u.p.s. complain about. we have more to tell you about including oscar pistorius. he's about to be released.

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sticks with them. make sure the germs they bring home don't stick around. use clorox disinfecting products. you handle life; clorox handles the germs. we are back. here's what's happening now. oscar pistorius may not be getting out of prison this friday as execed. a south african judge put the release on hold saying a parole board needs to see if he was granted house arrest too early. he served ten months in the death of his girlfriend. new details of out west with the wildfires and you can see the image here. people are calling it a fire-nado. that's in idaho. worst of the fires are being fought in washington state. 95 in total throughout the west. crews including some military personnel are basically lighting controlled burns to try to block

the flames from spreading even further. also, hackers threatening to expose alleged cheaters on a website. the info could be everything from names and addresses to credit card information and these hackers are claiming they're not in it for the money but rather want to do it for moral reasons. the company meanwhile maintaining this operation is illegal. and now back to politics. donald trump added more fuel to the controversial immigration views with a recent call to end birthright citizenship for the children of undocumented immigrants born in the united states. of course, the 14th amendment clearly states if you're born here you are a u.s. citizen. end of story. trump was on fox news last night and isn't so convinced. >> the courts would block you at every turn. you must know all that. >> bill, i think you're wrong about the 14th amendment. i'd frankly the whole thing with anchor babies an enthe concept of anchor baseballs i don't think you're right about that. >> you want me to quote the

amendment f. you're born here, you're a persamerican. period! period! >> many lawyers are saying that's not the way it is. they're in mexico. going to have a baby. >> everybody know that is. >> they have the baby. no. but, bill, they're saying it won't hold up in court. >> there are many lawyers. trump's republican rivals also quick to respond. >> you know, the 14th amendment has been brought up recently. about anchor babies. and it doesn't make any sense to me that people can come in here and have a baby and that baby becomes an american citizen and allows them to come in. that doesn't make any sense at all. >> do you think that birthright citizenship should be ended? >> like i said, harry reid said it's not right for the country. that's something we should -- yeah. absolutely. going forward. >> you should end it? >> it's about enforcing the laws of this country. >> look. this is -- this is a

constitutionally protected right. >> you don't support -- >> i don't support revoking it, in. >> meanwhile, bernie sanders focusing on enthusiasm than eligibility. he's telling supporters he would get more people registered to vote than hillary clinton. >> i think it is fair to say that there is a lot of excitement in the bernie sanders campaign right now. so if we want to get young people involved, we want to get working people involved, if we want large voter turnouts, to defeat republicans, i would say that bernie sanders is the candidate who can defeat republicans in that regard. >> so across the board, we are seeing political debates here not just about what the government should do but who gets to vote, who registers and who is a citizen. these are, of course, constitutional questions and delimb mas in the public life. ari burrman studies all of them in a new book and he is here. good day to you.

>> good to see you, melber. >> great to see you. you track this. you write about this. what was the 14th amendment about originally as you see it? >> it was originally about granting full citizenship to african-americans and of course we had the 13th and 14th and the 15th amendment which were supposed to enforce reconstruction, enforce the end of the civil war. and bring rights to newly emancipated slaves and the 14th amendment's another no only thing that the gop's trying to repeal because we passed the 15th amendment and said the right to vote shall not be denied or abridged on the condition of race, color or servitude and then amended and passed the voting rights act of 1965 and now that republican candidates for president challenging and not just the 14th amendment but the 15th amendment and the notion of equality that's under attack. >> you trace it in the book and talk about a counter revolution among conservatives, a growing

attention first among laurels who think about this kind of stuff and people closer to the courts but then you note how it went more widespread. john roberts, of course, then supreme court justice, theodore olson, a big conservative attorney. on the other side, john lewis, of course, being someone that fought against this. there's growing attention on their need in their view to constrict or refine the eligibility and testing for who gets to vote. >> absolutely. when you saw the voting rights act, it was challenged by southern conservatives arguing the federal government didn't have the power to police state voting rules and the supreme court said they have the power and designed to provide disenfranchised voters an opportunity and then there's a longer battle in the '80s and going forward, conservatives began to challenge in other ways, arguing that it would lead, for example, to affirmative action.

things like that. you see john roberts as a young lawyer in the ragan justice department in the 1980s make the case against the voting rights act, a case to then make 30 years later on the supreme court gutting the voting rights act in 2013. >> right. it does more than one thing. >> yeah. >> that decision shall be counter versus holder basically took out a lot of the approval process that existed for southern states that have been found to have a history of chris dim nation. it left other parts which the obama justice department is using as you well know and a lot of people may have missed this over the, you know, sleepy summer season but there was a big victory for the obama justice department in striking down texas' very strict voter i.d. law. >> yeah. >> talk about that victory, what it means and what it shows about what's left of the voting rights act. >> it was victory and kind of a bittersweet victory because the law blocked in 2012 under a different provision of the voting rights act and that law allowed to go in effect after

the supreme court gutted the act because the states with the worst records like texas no longer had to approve their voting changes with the federal government so a voter i.d. law struck down in 2012 again in 2015 and the unfortunate thing is in effect for previous elections in 2014. thousands of people turned away there. new restrictions in place in places like north carolina. it's tougher to challenge them. it is not like the voting rights act is dead but it is very badly wounded after the supreme court decision. the obama justice department is doing what they can. >> what do you make of the current political environment? on the one side, the's nothing new of debating when's a citizen or gets to vote? on the other hand seems one step forward, two steps backward and resorting to the courts for those that care about the issues a lengthy process.

>> it's unfortunate because the supreme court is hostile to voting rights. the congress reauthorizing the act four times is doing nothing about it. republican candidates for president are not talking about need for voting rights and republicans supported the act for 50 years and instead trying to repeal the 14th amendment. from my standpoint, we're moving backwards in a disturbing way when really should be moving forward. >> ari burrman, where can people find you your book? >> everywhere. amazon.com. macmillen. it's all over google. >> all right. just google ari burrman. >> and go to a local bookstore and buy it. >> thank you for spending sometime with us. >> thank you. before the break, another important little story. looking at the loss of a legendary lawmaker, louis stokes served 15 terms in washington, ohio's first black representative. stokes was a prominent civil rights lawyer, one of only nine

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first what is killing so many bees off? >> there are a lot of factors. it is hard for such a complex environmental thing like the potential loss of a species to flas blame on only one thing. there's certainly been a great loss of habitat for bees. there are much worse diseases and viruses. there is a the nasty little blood sucking mite that's been preying on bees since the 80s. but what my article explores is that since -- around the year, the early 2000s there have been a new kind of pesticide that have been used. and many people feel like that potentially that pesticide could be what is harming the bees at this level. >> right. and whenever this stuff comes up, pesticides and genetically modified food we're told yeah this works. they have looked into it. it is okay and get used to it. it is happening. i was looking in your article. you say 100 million acres of farmland in the u.s. have these

genetic modified pesticides. that revolution is here and yet some people believe it has downsides we haven't realized like this harm to bee. >> and that hundred million acres is actually a very low estimate. it is likely it is far more than that, considering that 89 million acres of corn and 85 million acres of soybean and genetically modified. and the majority of corn seeds and more than 30% of soybean seeds have -- have neonix on them. this particular pesticide we're talking about. >> so the deal with genetically modified food was that the idea was that it was supposed to allow us to use fewer pesticides by changing the genetic code to make -- to make seeds and plants resista resistant. unfortunately what certain scientists are thinking is that resistance is building up. and we're getting back on this

pesticide treadmill. we're actually we're not using fewer pesticides, we're using more. >> right. and a pesticide treadmill sounds like a terrible exercise. >> right. >> and then you look at the science here. you point out over 800 peer reviewed studies that look deep into this stuff, say, yeah. these pesticides are bad. but then of course being a fair reporter you have quotes from the industry saying well they don't buy that. is this yet another area where tough industry trying to sort of buy its own science? >> i think it is to a certain extent. i mean the jury is still out on these pesticides. we can't say for sure what is killing the bees. the epa is undergoing a new review of neonicotinoineonicoti. they tell you, for instance, there are more beehives in america now than there were in the past, which is technically

true. but that is only because beekeepers have constantly having to divide they're hides to make up for these huge losses. they tell you bees are flourishing in canola fields but for some reason the neonicotinoid effect isn't as severe. there are certain slightly misleading things the industry is doing and i do feel like there is a concerted effort to make the science more confusing. >> right. >> you can find a study pretty much that says whatever you want on this issue. you can find studies that say that the bees are definitely in danger and you can find often industry-funded studies that say they are not. >> you often chart how integral the bees have been. it was really interesting to read it and you are reporting that the pilgrims were so into bees that they actually boxed them up, took that hard journey

over the atlantic and that is why we have bees in the u.s. >> yeah. >> why were they so into the bees in the first place. you wouldn't think you would take the trouble. >> actually people have been moving bees around to pollinate different crops at least since the ancient egyptians. they would float them on barges down the nile. so bees have been a huge economic commodity for thousands of years. >> for the pilgrims was it mainly the honey? >> i think it was both. they wanted to pollinate crops. and certainly bees were a movable food source. >> so they knew. their scientific understanding was such they knew it helped their crops? >> i believe it was. i believe at that time they had that knowledge. but certainly honey as well. and when they introduced honey to the native americans it apparently blew their mind. they were very excited to it. no high fructose corn syrup at

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