having food. it ain't good enough to have food. you have to have some long term overarching objectives. you have to have cuisine. and i would be looking for someone with military experience. >> thanks for your time tonight. "politics nation" with reverend al sharpton starts right now. right now on "politics nation," to trump or not to trump? jeb bush targets donald trump. but is he starting to sound just like him? wait until you hear this. also, a police group's new study on justifiable shootings. and how to reduce them. former president jimmy carter's extraordinary strength in the face of cancer, and food for thought. for right wingers attacking the first lady's school lunch plan.

welcome to "politics nation." we begin with jeb bush's donald trump problem. he can't beat him and he can't join him. today, jeb bush struggled to defend himself for using trump-like language on immigration. >> the term anchor babies yesterday? i don't, i don't regret it. do you have a better term? >> i'm asking you. >> you give me a better term and i'll use it. i'm serious. >> don't yell at me behind my ear though. >> the language anchor baby, is that not -- >> i said it is commonly referred to that. that's what i said. i didn't use it as my own language. do you want to get to the policy for a second? i think people born in this country ought to be american citizens. >> so he can't beat them. he joins them with his language. then when he gets questioned, he won't apologize for using

trump's favorite phrase. in the next breath, he slammed trump as a phony republican. >> there is a big difference between donald trump and me. i'm a proven conservative with a record. he is the largest tax increase in mankind's history. i've been consistently pro-life. there should be a little more focus solving the problems and talking about ideas that matter rather than just kind of coming in like a tidal wave and saying things that are outrageous and don't make sense. >> one of jeb bush's strongest statements yet against trump, that is. but we're going after trump back fire? after all, trump is still the republican front-runner and his message is resonating. he even moved an event tomorrow to a 40,000 seat stadium.

and we know he won't be afraid to go after bush. >> do you know what is happening to jeb's crowd, as you know just right down the street? they're sleeping. >> jeb is a low energy person. between common core, his active, on immigration and skin in the game. i don't see how he is electable. >> what can jeb bush do? as trump said in "time" magazine today, he has to deal with it. joining me now on msnbc contributor and president, maria tree a and john nichols of the nation. thank you for being with us. i want to get to jeb bush's strength. why is he still defending using such an offensive phrase?

>> this is an opportunity for jeb bush to act presidential. to step up to the plate and say we won't have this type of debate and set the tone. he is getting to the dirtiest of politics and working on the backs of immigrants who work hard every day. no one in the republican party has not only called out trump but jeb bush who seemed to be the front-runner for the nomination is not acting presidential. it is pretty despicable. >> and he is supposedly more moderate on this issue. a little surprising for jeb. >> not only is it surprising. words matter. the fact that just two days ago, a homeless hispanic man was beaten by two thugs that basically said that they were inspired by the words of trump. and trump, instead of saying that wasn't acceptable, he sounded encouraging that people are passionate.

that's not okay. there's not a place in our politics for saying it is okay for people to be subhuman. and the fact that there is not more authority saying this is not acceptable tone. this is not where we want our party to go. >> all people that support me. they were saying them encouraged. >> 14 months from now, will spanish language tv ads have jeb bush's comments on a loop? >> i suspect they will, reverend. and this is something jeb bush should fully understand this is inappropriate. he was saying give me a better word. i have a better word. child. we're talking about a child. >> or an american. >> born in the united states. and american. if you cannot show basic humanity toward a child, toward an american child, in a

conversation like this, you're going to have that blow back on you. it will blow back on you. not just with hispanics, not just spanish language television or radio. but with a lot of americans. not long ago when martin o'malley stood up for children at the border and was very, very blunt about it, he got a lot of positive response. not from latinos but across the political spectrum. we have to pause and say, you're talking about children now. american children. >> that's right. american born children. isn't this the real impact we're seeing from the trump candidacy? that he pushed the envelope. who is going all the way there when we talk about children, and

you can get out there so far, dealing and reacting and responding to trump that you won't get back by the time of the general election. >> well, that's absolutely right. instead of saying, this is the person that we want on the republican party, just to demonstrate they are presidential, let's have a frank conversation. we need to have leadership in the white house that can help navigate the changing america. the changing demographics. we need someone who can bring americans together and move forward. what is coming out, the fact that the republican party, instead of putting trump in his place and saying this is not acceptable, they're going to the bottom of the barrel and they're not promoting the unified voice that americans want to see. >> it is like a race to the bottom against certain segments. then you will come out of it and you're saying, i want to be the leader of the american public

when you've offended large parts of america. how do you then sell to people? you ought to be the leader of the free world when you have gone after the children of some of those, the babies. >> it doesn't work, reverend. this is an important thing to understand. we now have a race within the republican party of candidates to embrace the trump position. and it is people like scott walker and others who are literally trying to sound like them. and title, the one guy, one of the few who actually disagrees with trump. remember, bush disagrees with him and won't effectively call him out. >> and now uses language, and won't even apologize for it. >> talking about jeb bush, no poll might have jeb bush worried. it finds bush losing to trump among republicans in florida. trump has 21% of florida republicans while bush has 17%.

wasn't jeb bush's experience as a florida governor supposed to be a huge part of his appeal? now he's losing to trump? is that why there's this race all the way to imitating and using the language of trump while you're supposed to be disagreeing with him? >> i think what the biggest problem with jeb is that he hasn't been able to come out for anything. and he's been very soft-spoken and what folks are looking for are thoughts and opinions. are trump's thoughts and opinions cohesive and can you put pen to paper? absolutely not. but he is providing something. and the republican party is looking for that type of authenticity. what we've been talking about is true. that's one of the reasons marco rubio has been very quiet. he hasn't been engaging trump in any way. he is sitting back and waiting

for jeb to disintegrate. >> he did come out today. what was interesting about rubio, his campaign later confirmed his parents were not, weren't u.s. citizens when he was born. rubio weighed in on the debate over birth right citizenship today. listen to this. >> people talking about anchor baebls. those are human beings. and ultimately they're people. they're not just statistics. they're human beings with stories. >> birth right citizenship one of the things that makes america exceptional? >> yes. that's why i'm not in favor of refeeling 14th amendment. but there is a legitimate issue embedded in this debate. >> he took position that he is against the repeal. he took position that they're human. he himself born to two parents who were not u.s. citizens. wouldn't you think that he would be personally very passionate

and really confronting trump and the others that are now with trump on this because he himself would be in that position if that was the case? >> of course you would hope he would. you would hope for some sort of consistency. and also some sort of humanity. this is what trump has done to this race. he has made people who know better, people who honestly know better, not speak up, not take a stand, not come out in front because they are afraid trump will then aim at them and go after them for a week and they'll take some sort of hit. one of these candidates, and maybe rubio, he certainly didn't do well today. maybe it will be governor kasich from iowa. one of these candidates will step up at some point and call trump out. do you know what i suspect will happen in we may have an emperor

has no clothes moment. even within a very conservative republican party, there are an awful lot of people who are offended when you start to talk about american children. when you start to talk about basic american values. the idea someone born in this country is an american. when you start to rip at that, you're ripping at the very fabric of america. and some republican, some conservative that republican ought to step up and say that's wrong. >> all right. i'm going to have to leave it there. maria teresa and john, thank you both for your time tonight. >> thank you. coming up, trump-onomics. wait until you hear what donald trump the economist says about minimum wage. also ahead, jimmy carter talks for the first time about his cancer diagnosis. >> i feel, you know, i'll be prepared for anything that

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a ground new study examines the way we train police officers. a report by the executive research forum suggests a training overall. that report says it has been shaken by the unrest in ferguson after the shooting death of michael brown. it says recent video from high profile cases showing police involved shootings has put more scrutiny on officers. >> it has been peaceful today. many say they're disappointed in the police department and want the officers involved held accountable. the police begin shooting as antonio runs away. when he turns, police opened fire that again. killing him. >> an officer shot rice no more than two seconds after his

patrol car drove up to a city park last saturday after they received a 911 call about someone with a gun. rice was holding a nonlethal pellet gun. >> a few dozen demonstrators stood where the married father of six accused of selling illegal untaxed cigarettes died in a struggle with police one year ago today. >> i can't breathe! i can't breathe! >> this new report went through how much training officers received. hour by hour, for example, the average officer gets 58 hours of firearm training. and 49 hours of training in defensive tactics. but when it comes to de-escalation training, the number drops to just eight hours. the report applauds the changes some departments are making. but a clear theme jumps out. police need to slow things down. joining me to talk about the report are two former new york

police officers, mark claxton, the director of black law enforcement alliance, and eugene o'donald, professor at john jay college for criminal justice. thank you both for being here. >> thanks. >> i mentioned how the report says slow things down. mark, what does that look like in a real life situation? >> i think the points of the report are they refer to things such as tactical disengage sxmt de-escalation as to what commonly occurs or what has been during more recently. full involvement, head on by the police department. i think tactical disengagement really allows or encourages police officers to deal wholistically with the situation and not have such strink sxenl confining rules and regulation, such as many departments train about this 21-foot kill zone area. if you have an office here is

trained and that is embedded in his head and his psyche, he then believes under all circumstances, that 21 foot is an actual kill zone. i think the report is encouraging a more wholistic and comprehensive police training and tactics, even as it relates to the continuum of forceful. >> what stands out to you? >> they don't mince words. cops don't get enough hands-on training. this is well known. what else stands out is that good ideas, thing like not shooting at cars, as marq indicates, slowing thing down, taking cover, diagnosing situations, these best practices, in 18,000 departments take a very slow trip from department to department. some of them never seem to get there. so when you look at police academy training, a tremendous amount of it is bureaucracy and filling out forms and civil liability. but the actual hands on human

approach that should be at the heart of policing gets short shrift. it really is distressing because at this late stage you have this acknowledgement this system has been broken for so long. and it is going city by city which is why many of us are saying we need national policy. when we look at the report that they're giving several police departments that are making positive change, kansas city added tactical disengagement training. los angeles training now includes something it calls, preservation of life training. in leeburg, virginia, officers listen to de-escalation and bias. how can this affect what we see on the street from officers? >> aside from the name changes, many of these aspects of police training have been going on for several years, for decades.

the question is whether or not there will be a real commitment to impose or enforce these training models in police departments across the nation. the challenge that you have is that one department may do it one way. another department may do it another way. across the nation, you have several different tactical strategies and training mechanisms which makes it disjoined from coast to coast if you will. so what can happen with organizations and agencies and entities that really and fully commit, they can revolutionize the interactions and the dangers between citizen civilians and law enforcement. >> you know, that is why there needs to be national policy, i think in this whole situation, eugene. because also get some police departments as they say, get started and a new administration comes in and stops community

policing. they were beginning the work. then you get a new administration. so we really need a lot of the top to change policies. and it needs to be a national policy. >> we have to look. these events that have so troubled everybody, the seeds of these events, our political failures, that's not addressed. and police leadership failures. we have this helter skelter approach to policing. you're in one town. there is no enforcement. you go one town over, the police are stopping everybody that they can get their hands on. you have unsolved crimes. a lot of issues about the cincinnati campus police patrolling the city. you have sandra bland being pulled over for the most

considered an anti-police or even left on these issues group would begin with a breakthrough saying yes, there needs to be de-escalation. thank you both for your time tonight. >> thank you. still ahead, trump-onomics. >> low minimum wage is not a bad thing for this country. >> it may sound ugly when donald trump says that. but he has a lot of company. also, michelle obama versus the republicans who targeted her school lunch program. guess who comes out ahead in this food fight?

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it's trump-onomics. today he declared his stance on the minimum wage and it is pure donald trump. >> i want to create jobs so you don't have to worry about the minimum wage. you're doing a job making much more than the minimum wage. but i think having a low minimum wage is not a bad thing for this country. >> it's one thing opposed to, to oppose raising the minimum wage. but for a billionaire to openly celebrate low wages? now that's something. strip it away and the other candidates sound a lot like him. just listen to senator marco rubio telling the story of a fictional business owner who is against the minimum wage.

>> to hear hillary clinton and others go on about how cruel business leaders can be with their low wages. because he knows if the minimum wage were to jump to $15 an hour, he would have to cut danielle's job entirely. >> 12 of the top 15 republicans are against raising the minimum wage, or even having one at all. trump might use more colorful language, but the other gop candidates are painting with the same brush. joining me now, jess mcintosh of emily's list and molly ball, staff writer for the atlantic. thank you both for being here. >> good to be here. >> jess, i have to get your reaction. donald trump says a low minimum wage is, quote, not a bad thing? >> well, it is not a bad thing for donald trump. i think what is interesting about trump and always has been

is that he has sort of spoken the subconscious of the republican party. there is really no daylight between him and the rest field. 12 of them favor no minimum wage at all. they certainly don't want to raise it. the idea that somebody would say they're totally fine with a low minimum wage isn't ideologically different in the least. the fact is, he says it. and he says, i don't care if americans who make minimum wage make low wages. i don't care about that. and that is a callous, kind of hurtless way to put it. there is no substantive difference between trump o'no, ma'amics and the republican party's platform that it has had for the last almost decade or so. you had mitt romney go down over the 47% of the country takers. jeb bush saying americans needing to work more hours. this is a party that doesn't believe that we should be helping out those of us who are not already wealthy. and trump is absolutely no

different. he is just going to say it in a meaner way. >> but not withstanding that. minimum wage is very popular, even among republicans. you would think that some of the other candidates, or one of the other candidates would step up and stand up against this, molly. i mean, rubio today told his story of an imaginary businessman and almost went as far as trump. why isn't someone standing up when even republicans polled are supportive of the minimum wage? >> it's not only drig driven by polls. i think some of it is driven by ideology. a lot of economists disagree with the idea that the best way to help working peel, the best way to help people in need is to raise the minimum wage. there are a lot of other policies you can pursue that, this is a sort of time honored debate among economists about whether it has a good effect on the economy. so this is something a lot of

republicans subscribe to. but i think that what jess got at is always very real phenomenon. a lot of republicans fear that the way trump is framing a lot of these issues does hurt the party. it does put them in a bad light with voters. it does reveal things about the republican field or the republican electorate that is going to hurt them in the general election, even if trump were to imaginally disappear. >> now, trump talked about how his tax plan will save the middle class. listen to this. >> i want to save the middle class. but i know a lot of bad people in this country that are making a hell of a lot of money and not paying taxes. and the tax law is totally screwed up. the complexity of it. i want to put h & r block out of business. if a man is making $50,000 or $30,000 or $75,000 a year, he should not be giving a lot of money to h & r block to have to

fill in his tax return or her tax return. >> i mean, isn't that standard republican ideology, republican party economics, calling for lower taxes even though trump may say it more colorfully? >> well, yeah, and i want to know who are the bad actors that he knows that aren't paying their taxes. on the democratic side of the aisle, we're very concerned about making should you are the wealthiest 1% and most importantly, corporations pay their fair share. that's how we'll alleviate the tax burden on the middle class and the working class. it seems the republican party believes there are people at the lower end of the economic spectrum who are having a harder time feeding their families and taking care of themselves and their families who ought to be paying more. that goes right back to that real heartless streak within the republican party. i think actually alienates a lot of their own base. i think most people understand that americans are in general,

very hard working and trying to take care of themselves and their families. and it is the billionaires and the corporations that profit at their expense. i think americans get that. and the republican party is ignoring to it their detriment. >> i was looking at paul krugman and he wrote about the attacks on social security about, jeb bush and marco rubio and scott walker. let me quote him. he said what is puzzling about the renewed republican assault on social security is that it looks like bad politics as well as bad policy. americans love social security. why aren't the candidates at least pretending to share that sentiment? can you explain this combination of bad policy and bad politics? >> well, this is a very interesting area where trump is on the right side of public opinion and in a place where a lot of democrats agree with him. the populism of trump is so

interesting. he is talking about as a lot of the other candidates aren't, how it is hard when you make $30 or $50,000 a year to file your taxes because it is so darn complicated. he is standing up and defending social security and medicare when the rest of the republican field is all saying, we've got to reform entitlements. that's a tremendously unpopular stand, even with republicans. and he is coming out against these trade deals which a lot of people including republicans, when it comes to voters, are skeptical about. so he is tapping into mixed political views that isn't the straight sort of republican party platform. and aside from all the personality things that draw people to him, i think some people sympathize with him on issues like that. >> but news flash. fairness was the issue of the 2012 election. and in going into 2016, it is still the issue that most american voters are concerned about.

>> yeah. i think that if you're a voter who, molly is absolutely right about the unorthodox trump prinls. it is hard to call them that but let's call them that. if you're a voter motivated by economic populism, you're not going to go for donald trump. we have an incredible contrast already between parties. even in primary phase, hearing what democrats are offering in terms of income inequality and making sure they are able to take care of themselves and their families, which is what the republicans have. you're not on the republican side of the aisle. what donald trump is saying about the working class and immigrants and women is going to be such a turn-off. even if you're like, yeah, i wish my taxes were easier to file. you won't full lever for that

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a courageous and candid admission from former president jimmy carter today. the 39th president talking for the first time since he announced that he was diagnosed with liver cancer earlier this month. this morning, he spoke openly about how the disease has spread. >> about a tenth of my liver. and they did a biopsy and found out it was indeed cancer and it was a melanoma. and they did an mri and founlds that there were four spots of melanoma on my brain. they are very small spots. about two millimeters, if you can envision what a millimeter is. i'll get my first radiation treatment on my brain this afternoon.

>> president carter was in good spirits and says he feels well. he even joked when asked if he had any regrets about his life. >> i wish i had sent one more helicopter to the hostages and we would have rescued them and i would have been reelected. that may have interfered with the foundation. >> in a touching moment he spoke about his reaction to learning the disease had spread. >> i just thought i had a few weeks left. but i was surprisingly at ease. you know, i've had a wonderful life. i've had thousands of friends. and i've had an exciting and adventurous and gratifying exist tense. now i feel, they say in the hands of god and i'll be prepared for anything that comes. >> this afternoon, president

obama tweeted, president carter is as good a man as they come. michelle and i are praying for him and roslyn. we're all pulling for you, jimmy. >> joining me now, medical contributor, natalie, thank you for being here. the cancer has spread to his brain. how serious is this? >> well, so basically, once the cancer has spread from the primary spot which presumably is the skin, right? it's a medical nome. a it is either a stage 3 or a stage 4 cancer, i believe they've committed to the stage 4. the five-year survival is roughly 15 to 20%. ten-year survival, 10 to 15%. so you know, stage 4 cancer in general is a serious condition. he is undergoing treatment. he got his first therapy last night. a more newly improved melanoma

drug. >> it is reported he lost his father and three siblings to cancer. could this be a general problem? >> well, melanoma is a genetic problem. it increases someone's chances 50%. >> 50% increase. >> exactly. when you have a first degree family with melanoma. the other thing would be blistering sun burns and having lots of moles. so the history of the pancreatic cancer, yes, it would suggest the family does have a history of genetic abnormalities but they are not necessarily related. >> president carter had his first radiation treatment today. he will get four treatments over three months. he'll also be given a drug treatment and will have body scans. what are the chances that they'll find it spread to other areas? >> from what we know so far from this morning, he already

underwent something called a pet ct which does the job of trying to figure out whether the tumor has spread. thus far the only spots that were seen were four spots on the brain which i should add were considered rather small enough that he might be able to get very localized radiation therapy, rather than getting the whole brain radiated. >> in october he'll turn 91. how does that factor in how does that factor in to the treatment? >> that's a great question. oncologists generally think the tolerance of the drug is pretty good. it can have side effects, joint pain and nausea and rash and diarrhea which are very uncomfortable. for older people in general, tolerating something like a chemotherapy is more difficult. but it is not supposed to suppress the immune system so much as other kinds.

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finally, gun violence in america and the news about america's big skreenls. the country's largest theater chain, regal cinemas, has announced it will now search bags at the entrance to every theater. the decision comes after a summer that saw two unrelated theater attacks involving guns. we've seen far too many instances involving violence. this year in ferguson, a 9-year-old girl was shot while sitting on her bed doing her homework. this week in baltimore, the 211th homicide was already recorded. >> how many have lost a loved one to violence? >> most of us, if not all of us here.

we have trouble sleeping at night knowing that almost daily, we're hearing about our relatives, our friends, our family members being murdered. >> what do we have? over 200 homicides? it's crazy. i'm starting -- >> we can't keep going like this. we're, what is it? genocide? that's what i'm getting right now. >> you should be able to sit in a movie theater without worrying about being shot. and a 9-year-old girl should be able to do her homework in her room without fearing for her life. there is a problem in this country. tougher gun laws won't stop every shooting. but we can't sit back and do nothing. whatever every step toward stopping this madness is, we need to take those steps. we can't wait on one answer that solves it all. we must take every step that leads to that solution.

and by dealing with guns, by dealing with himming them, and by making people know that it is not all right, and not be comfortable walking in theaters, feeling they will not be checked, if that will start and save any lives, let's move forward. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. good time donny! let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. it isn't supposed to be this way. donald trump is supposed to be appealing to the angry people in this country but take a look at the people's faces in the crowds. they're having the time of their lives, hanging on every word. trump is out there talking with energy and enthusiasm and optimism. he is going to make