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good day to you from the msnbc newsroom, i'm ari melber. new details on hurricane danny, the first of the atlantic season. and probably not the last. also, a stormy stretch on wall street right now. stocks are in free fall and a nobel prize winning economist is warning there's more aftershocks ahead. but first, the big politics event under the friday night lights. donald trump will kick off what's expected to be the largest, largest campaign rally of this whole election cycle. it's at a 43,000-seat football stadium in alabama, home to friday night football and the college senior boll. 42,000 supporters or at leasted parties say they're showing up. if they do, the crowd size, well, it would top barack obama's largest in the 2008 election cycle. he went on to draw crowds far larger, up to 100,000 in the
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general election. is the same in trump's futures. the numbers are in his favor and trump is a man known often to defy the odds. look at the current lead compared to past early front-runners in 2011. gingrich and perry had the early surges and drew early buzz and fizzled out and that's why nonpartisan experts questioning whether trump's current lead moves from a summer fling to a serious fall relationship. trump looks especially weak as a general election candidate considering he is the least popular figure in either party. americans view in the latest poll more negatively than all other candidates, across all major demographics. he'll try to turn the tide tonight when the stadium event kicks off at sunset and alabama is, of course, yes, a solid red state, the stadium is a quick drive from the all-important florida panhandle. ali vitali at the stadium in
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alabama. the trump campaign saying this all got bigger than they expected. how are locals even hearing about the rally? are people coming just for spectacle for this celebrity or for a real campaign event? >> reporter: yeah. you know, ari, i made a reference when i was in new hampshire earlier this week and i said that the crowd felt more like a football stadium than a political event. and little did i know i would be in a football stadium just a few days later. the crowd here, they announced this event on tuesday afternoon. and it spread so quickly they have had to change the venue a few times and one alabama local party chair told me that she was somewhat surprised at how he's been received here and also said that the more he speaks about issues and stays unfiltered the more he seems to resonate with people on the ground in alabama and hearing from people not just here but everywhere we go. new hampshire and iowa, all of them saying the same thing. the straight talk is really a big dru for them and that's what
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we expect to hear tonight. most of the rallies that i have been at he's been unscripted, talking off the cuff. hitting the big issues, national security. obviously talked about immigration. and that idea that you brought up, this idea of the spectacle coming to see him for the straight talk and the fire versus for the leadership, i mean, a lot of people i talk to have said that they would trust him to lead the country although they're sometimes concerned a little bit about the tone. that's something that people like hillary clinton and jeb bush have pushed back on and something that he's really balked at saying that it's not the time for political correctness anymore. it is the time for straight talk and the time to be straightforward. they're setting up music in the background so -- >> what song is that, ali? do you know what song it is? >> reporter: jouny happening right here. >> it's smalltown -- what is it, ben? "don't stop believing." >> reporter: we have some "don't stop believing." >> you hear that song in a
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football stadium an unowe know the candidate, they love america. i don't want to lose this moment. one more question which is, do you think that he is making the change, though, from reality show star and celebrity into a candidate? we talk about from the primary to the general, people have to act more presidential. just today he tweeted out a more traditional-sounding statement trying to knock down any appearance of support for what was essentially a violent crime that some unaffiliated people did in his name saying those were people showing passion. are you seeing that kind of evolution here? >> reporter: i think so. i was in that presser in new hampshire when nbc's katy tur asked about the brothers in boston and maybe without knowing it but say that, you know, they were passionate people, passionate supporters and it is interesting then that he took to twitter to walk that back and make it seem more obvious that he was not supporting the
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actions but instead just saying good to be passionate and energetic and not condoning the behavior in any way and a shift. it's rare that he comes back to clarify something that he's said previously. >> right. >> reporter: that is a notable shift and could be seeing more of. >> ali vitali from an empty loud stadium sure to get more crowded an ena lot louder, thank you for your time. >> reporter: definitely. >> right to ben domanic, editor of website and co-editor of red state. thank you for joining us. >> good to be with you. >> your thoughts on where trump stands now in the field? >> i think trump is becoming a much more serious candidate in a lot of ways and that republicans who anticipated him fading early are now starting to have to wrest wl the concept that this is a guy who's going to be a more significant portion, a significant part of this race going forward. and i don't think there's a reason that is bigger in that than how much trump latched on
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to the frustration among americans about the immigration issue. the fact is that the elites of both parties, both republicans and democrats, largely have this same perspective on the portion of the american people, the 20% or 25% depending on which polls you look at who want to deport illegal immigrants, send them back to the home countries, they disagree with them. the political class of both parties inknowed this portion of the country. i think trump seized on to that with both hands and the reason the support is becoming more significant within this area. >> well, i think you look at that and look at the responses. jeb bush this week coming out and spending time trying to address trump directly saying he's been a democrat, inconsistent. now we see to your point jeb bush going to the border in texas on monday. >> i think he and many of the other republicans are having to respond to the fact that they're not trusted by this 20 to 25% of the country which is a significant portion of the republican party. i would not be surprised if all
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of it was sort of within that disaffected independent appeal that i think trump has a lot of in terms of his support. the thing that i'm concerned about really is that as this goes further along, more mainstream candidates, people who could become president are going to have to move in response to trump and the number -- >> let's talk about that. because someone listening to you would say, you're defining trump as reaching out to people, american voters who have a concern. >> yes. >> nothing wrong with that. and yet, as a conservative writer here, you've been sounding an alarm bell. you have an influential piece out new this week i want to put up on the screen. are republicans for freedom or white identity politics? and you write for decades republicans have held to the idea that they're unified by a fusionist ideological coalition. while you argue that democratic party was animated by identity politics for the various me believes of the coalition. whether or not people agree, you
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say that he is actually doing something that's dogged other parties particularly in europe using white angst to organize people. >> what you see across white europe, a generalization, of course, and true of many different countries, a coalition typically technocratic and center left and then populist right wing parties that gained ground formenting rage and i think that's something that the republican party needs to be careful avoiding. trump's appeal for conservatives angry at washington, appeals to people that don't care about the immigration issue. but i think in particular seizing deporting the 12 million people is dangerous in the sense even if he's not the nominee it could be an idea to survive beyond him and that could become problematic. >> as serious policy, i think
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your piece and what you just said makes perfect sense and not many conservatives standing up and doing this work and taking him on. why? >> i think to a certain extent for two reasons. to this point, a lot of people tried to ignore trump. they have tried to treat him as a joke, a sideshow. i think that he is someone much more significant than that and maybe not with the potential of being the nominee but someone to certainly change and transform the republican party in dangerous ways. >> we have heard from people including off the record, oh, deny him oxygen. he's a walking oxygen tank. i want to turn to hillary clinton. back and forth over the e-mails. and most recently, on our air today governor howard dean saying, look, this is a media creation and our anchor craig melvin said, not when you have a judge appointed by a democrat yesterday saying she violated policy. >> you know, it's very interesting for me to see this happen because whatever you could say about hillary clinton and barack obama in 2008 i think
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you can say a number of serious republicans who looked at them as candidates and said they'd rather trust hillary with running the country in the sense of a serious person with a lot of experience and stuff like this. i think that there are a lot of people on both sides of the aisle surl prized by this scandal and it is significant, real, not a media creation and a lot of questions for the intelligence community, people not political about what hillary did and why it was done. even why you would set this up in the first place and run into this problem. >> right. >> it is one thing to talk about records and things 0 of that nature. it is another to talk about secret information falling into the hands of people we don't want to have it. >> overplayed having a bad moment or news cycle she's losing her grip on the nomination with a lot of support. people are calling to draft joe biden in this race. an operative on the air today speaking about this. let's listen to that. >> our job is to make sure that we're making the best public
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case for him to get in the race and also begin to think about how we can organize the volunteers that keep coming through our doors every day. getting ready in those early states so if he jumps in the race, he's ready to go. >> do you think that outside agitation and draft efforts will have any influence on joe bide snn. >> a little bit. i have to say after the kind of week that hillary had, if this week doesn't convince him, i don't think anything will. he should look at it seriously at this point. i actually have a lot of respect for him as a politician. he is something that's capable, able to connect with communities. i think that this week should really inform that decision in a lot of ways seeing the potential for an opportunity here. >> all right. ben, thank you so much for joining us. still to come from the msnbc newsroom, national hurricane center upgrading danny to cat 3. president obama out on summer vacation.
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the environment is there for my kids and future generations. together, we're building a better california. a new poll shows disapproval for president obama back over 50%. with some concern over his leadership and foreign policy. the iran deal is heading far congressional vote next month and when asked about that, a majority of americans say they're against it. that's largely a political question that focuses on obama. when pollsters asked if people support the approach of the deal and conducting those
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inspections, all of a sudden a majority supports that. it is a reminder of how the politics of a proposal can cloud up views of the policies and white house aides say obama will have a proud foreign policy legacy of iran to rirk and cuba. are they right? there's an independent report card on the president's foreign policy record including one of the enduring threats of americans, terrorism. here to discuss that, author of the terrorism article, jessica stern, a harvard lecturer and co-author of "isis: the state of terror." good day to you. >> hi. >> how's the president doing on containing terrorism? >> well, the world has gotten more dangerous in terms of terrorist attacks, but we can't really blame that on the president. exclusively. not by any means. isis has really had a very big
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impact and it's partly result of the mistake we made in going to war in iraq and partly as a result of the mistake we made in leaving iraq so precipitously including by removing the diplomats and the civil war in syria and a crisis in islam. there's so many factor that is fed into this. >> you talk about leaving iraq, as a report card, are you suggesting that staying in iraq longer would have been worth it to stem the growth of isis? >> i think so. and i think people are beginning to think seriously about the need to stay a little bit longer in afghanistan. you know, i was strongly opposed to the iraq war. i thought it would increase terrorism. and it really did. but once we went in, it was a mistake to leave so precipitously in my view. >> and in your article, you have a reference to the container
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store. people may wonder what that's all about. you talk about the containment store and the idea that this administration rather than going big and trying to start a lot of new battles has use add policy of containment and lighter footprint strategies including the well-known use of drones opposed to extensive ground operation in a whole range of countries. what do you rate that? >> well, you know, the president has said that he wants to destroy the islamic state but if you look at the policy it's really about containing the islamic state. what we're doing now is not going to destroy it. indeed, i'm not sure we could destroy it but this is all about containment. it's traditional counterterrorism involving air strikes, drones, involving surveillance and trying to get turkey to participate and close its borders so that the foreign
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fighters can't get in. and smuggling of goods can't get out. and so on. >> when you describe it that way as a policy expert, you're basically talking about how it's working and yet there seems to be an interesting gap there which i think is no president in either party or candidate will say the goal is to contain these evil fighter that is are beheading people and practicing genocidal policies. that's not just politically viable. as you look at both what the president's done in your article and the competitors to replace him, is that a problem for an informed foreign policy if there's a big gap between what be're doing and what any candidate can say? >> you know, the islamic state is so appealing to young people around the world and part of it is that it did take that territory so it is able to advertise. we have this territory. we're controlling territory. unlike most terrorist
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organizations of the past. we have a state. if you don't want to fight for us, be a doctor. we need people working on the roads. we need people building houses. every muslim they say is obligated to come to the islamic state and it's a kind of -- it's an appealing call to a surprising number of people from around the world about 22,000 have gone into iraq and syria as a result of this recruitment drive. >> all right. jessica stern, thanks for joining us today. >> thank you for having me. we want to turn to breaking news on wall street. stocks have investors relieving the 2008 crash and weather channel tracking danny and the potentially historic system in the pacific with potentially hawaii in its cross hairs. est d?
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we have breaking news from the floor of the new york stock exchange. the markets tumbling for a second straight day with the dow down now more than 400 points. cnbc's mandy drury following it. half hour from the closing bell. mandy, some are calling this correction territory. what does that mean? how concerned should people did? >> correction is the exact word we're using here now, ari. really minutes ago the dow did enter into what is correction territory and that means 10% or more down from the intraday highs. the intraday high for the dow back in may and down 10% from that high and slightly bounced off the level. so you see there on the board at 571 just slightly off that. we're quibbling about points here really. at the end of the day, what we're seeing is a bit of a washout and people calling for some type of correction in the markets because you might know we have had an incredible period
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of complacency and lack of volatility and no correction for a very long time. why are we having this? well, of course, i think the biggest problem that we saw this morning was confirmation of something that we have been really suspecting for a very long time and that is that the chinese economy, the economy and the second largest economy in the world, is really slowing down and that is having a trickle effect around the globe. the s&p, for example, 1983. we burst through the support level of 2004 this morning and people said next stop in terms of support is 1980. of course, only 3 points away from that. >> what do you mean by those historic dates? what do you mean by that reference point? >> i'm sorry? >> up to 1980, what's that mean? >> like a technician, if you look at technical levels here, we were sitting above 2004 this morning and support 2004 and broke below that and in terms of
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technical levels, the next support is considered to be 1980. we have at 1982 and going below 1980, some people say that, therefore, from a technical perspective, we could see further downside from there. whether or not we will, of course, we don't know. we're very close to closing here in the united states session. watching on our time sunday night. that is when the asian markets will be up and running for their trading and we'll see whether or not we'll see further weakness in global markets in asia and elsewhere, as well, ari. >> you mentioned international factors. then back home, apple down quite a bit today. any idea why? >> absolutely. in fact, apple is now entered bear market territory. which means from its april high it is now 20% to the downside. and you know what? not just apple. it is the tech sector in general tracking for the second worst week of the year and now it might be the worst week of the year and if you look at the individual names, ari, 35% of tech is in a bear market so 20% or more from their recent highs
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and you have only got to look at a number of other sectors like consumer discretionaries and if there are difficulties out there in the economy or, you know, might be losing money in the stock market, probably consumer discretionary is an area to be pulling back, right, as an individual, as consumer. >> all right. big day out there. thank you for keeping us posted. we turn to the disaster unfolding out west. the wildfires expected to rage through the weekend. crews asking for help from down under. le anne gregg in washington state for us. how are firefighters trying to adjust their tactics here? >> reporter: well, ari, today, the strong wind, again, is affecting the attack. they can't get up into the air like they would on a calm day. it limits the maneuverability and some planes just can't fly. in addition to that, when the winds get up to 30 to 40 miles per hour, there's really little they can do to stop them.
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the best they can do is to try to guide the fires around structures. they're working on that. overnight, the winds were so strong it forced new evacuations of about 1,000 people or more in some communities to the north of here and officials have said that people should be on stand by. there is a likelihood that more evacuations will be ordered throughout the afternoon. in all of the areas surrounding the fire to the south. that is. in the communities. so ongoing situation and the wind is not supposed to let up any time soon, at least not until the weekend. the winds will lessen but then there will be another threat. unstable atmosphere will cause these situations where there is a huge smoke plume and some of the air will feed into that. that they say can cause conditions where the fire expands rapidly, quickly and intensely. not a situation for several days and the fire extremely active and we have been talking for several days about the lack
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of resources because of so many fires across the west. department of natural resources says it's been getting requests, flooded with people to help. want to volunteer. so they're opening their door, allowing people to come in, sign up. get training and a certification and do some jobs like operating heavy equipment. this will help in the mop-up phases to free up the firefighters to work on the next big fire, the jobs of fighting the fires. this is happening along with people coming across the country, including the active military, the national guard and now these people coming from australia and new zealand. so a huge effort and this fire season is expected to last into september, until the end of september. so, they're not expecting it to go away soon. lots of work ahead. ari? >> all right. thank you so much. we want to turn to other weather. danny classified as a major hurricane continuing to track towards the caribbean.
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areas feeling the first affects by the end of the weekend. alex wilson tracking danny and more from our hurricane headquarters in atlanta. alex, let us know, what do we need to know? >> like you said, we have a major hurricane on our hands. danny at 115 miles per hour. moving west-northwest at 10 miles per hour. here's the good news. looking forward with this storm, both we here at the weather channel and national hurricane center think it goes up against bigger opponents. the forecast with the weakening back down to a category 1 hurricane by early sunday, a tropical storm over the islands. we have another area of invest we're watching closer to the coast. this isn't going to affect land as far as a hurricane coming on shore. however, it is going to feed some moisture up into the new england area. going to be a crummy weekend with plenty of wet weather. then tropical storm kilo in the pacific. hawaii up to the north.
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this is moving off a to the west-northwest and thinking won't it continue that way? we expect it to strengthen and to take a hook up towards the what ryan islands, probably notice the northernmost ones. on top of that, whereas we expect danny to weaken, kilo expected to increase in strength by early tuesday. 85-mile-per-hour winds with this one, and then stronger by early morning wednesday. >> alex wilson, thank you for that. reality star caitlyn jenner could be facing potential criminal charges from a car crash in february that left one woman dead. nbc's joe fryer all over the story in the l.a. bureau. what charges would they be considering here? >> reporter: we'll find out soon enough. the decision should be made in the coming weeks. traffic investigators have wrapped up their investigation. they'll present their findings to l.a. county prosecutors who
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will then decide if jenner should be charged with misdemeanor manslaughter. caitlyn jenner is back in the spotlight this morning in a detailed report about the deadly multi-car crash, the sheriff's department says investigators found jenner driving too fast for the prevailing wet conditions although sources tell nbc news jenner was driving below the posted speed limit. it happened in february. jenner's cadillac escalade pulling a vehicle on a trailer driving on pacific coast highway. the footage of a passing bus obtained by tmz shows jenner unable to stop in time and rear ended two cars. one was pushed into oncoming traffic and struck head on by a hummer. the driver was killed. but the investigation complete, the l.a. county sheriff's department says the district attorney's office will determine what if any charges will be filed in this case or if there
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will be a request for further investigation. >> there's three main factors that the d.a.'s office will look at. three sets of facts. number one, caitlyn's conduct. number two, caitlyn's speed. number three, the flow of traffic and what were other people doing on the road at the same time. >> the team declined to comment on the report after the excellent in february, jenner released a statement saying in part, my heart felt and deepest sympathies to the family and loved ones and to all of those who were injured or involved this accident. i'm praying for them. jenner already faces two civil lawsuits from this crash. as for the criminal case, misdemeanor manslaughter generally is a sentence of up to one year in jail, if charged and convicted, many feel the odds of her serving time behind bars are pretty low. >> these car accidents while tragic don't often go to jail time. joe, thanks for your reporting. as we cross the half hour mark, a lot more ahead here in
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the msnbc newsroom. including politics. people are starting to think donald trump might be able to become, yes, folks, our next president. we have a reporter who wants to accept that premise far moment and tell us what those first hundred days could look like. nfl quarterback taking a hard hit in a preseason game and the sport's once againi finding itself playing defense. power rangers. [ school bell rings ]
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marking the day of president obama's so-called red line crossed. new sound from the ambassador to the u.n. speaking to craig melvin reacting to north and south korea trading some fire. analysts calling it a quasi war. >> the reason this is most different and most worrisome is that it's under kim jung un's leadership. in the past, his father used to escalate and then tamp down. now we hope this is what's going to happen with him but we don't know because he's unpredictable. >> and also, something a little different than a lot of people watching. check out this family of bears. this is in jurrjens jurrjens. they're having the time of their lives. they're splashing around in a pool that -- not a bear pool. that's a human pool they have basically taken over. the family rolled on the whole thing as they called 911 for safety.
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police said there wasn't much to do about it. the bears left on their own after about an hour chas good amount of time for a swim. all right. now we return to this afternoon's top story. politics. thousands of people already in line outside alabama's people's stadium of what's expected to be the largest campaign rally since the early days of the obama's candidacy in 2007. but this time, they're turning out for, yes, like it or not, donald trump. now, we mentioned earlier in comparison, he still hasn't come close to reaching peak of other republican candidates that flamed out have hit. you can see it there in the polling. what if donald trump isn't like those guys and holds on to the lead? what if he win it is nomination and the white house? what would the first 100 days look like? well, rick newman over at yahoo! paints a scenario in the latest article and here's here this afternoon to tell us about it. >> you have viewers throwing
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coffee mugs at the tv set right now. >> it's you, not me. it's your article. >> fair enough. >> you start out with immigration. let me play the latest on that. >> lot of these gangs and the most vicious are illegals. they're out of here. first day, i will send them people -- those guys are out of here. you need enforcement. you need lots of things. but you also have to get the bad people out, the people that aren't supposed to be here and they'reillegally. it's going to be tough. not like oh please will you come with us? >> what do you imagine him doing on immigration? >> i try to take some of his statements and policy ideas and try to translate them into action. how would you do the things if you were president? first of all, is 1 million, 12 million illegal immigrations here in the united states. they would be incredibly hard to find. everyone thinks you can't track them down. i don't know how you do that.
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the idea to build a wall, however, this's not even his idea. i mean, others proposed this. we have a wall. and others with a tonight do that. >> right. so that's what you say in the article, what you project on trump day five with the crystal ball. build the wall and we know he has a goal of 1,900-mile long wall. tell us about how they would work and cost. >> a triple layer wall, as well. he's looked into this. okay? there's cost estimates to put a wall up on the border. $25 billion. that's a lot of money. i guess you could do it in the federal budget. i don't think a lot of members of congress say that's the best way to spend $25 billion. probably why we don't have it. you could present a bill saying do this. >> yeah. and two types of bills. a bill to build it and then a bill like at the restaurant and hand it to mexico which trump says for some reason they'll pay for it. then you talk about tariffs on chinese imports. now he's not out of the
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mainstream of the congress on this. here's senator schumer talking about this issue, this is a manufacturing plant in syracuse. >> that penalty serves two purposes. one, the money that comes from the chinese imports, a tariff put on chinese imports goes right to our furniture manufacturers. this is not a nickel of taxpayer money. this is money leveled on imports that are unfairly priced that are dumped. but second, and even more importantly, levels the playing field. >> would trump have some democratic support for this idea? >> he might have a little support. he wants to impose a 25% tariff on anything from china, especially if they are seen to be low -- devaluing the currency and what they are doing right now. there are a couple of difficulties with that. makes goods more expensive for people buying them here. the business community hates it. >> american consumers would pay more under that trump plan? >> might sound great when it
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says we get back at china. not so great saying, oh, you'll pay more for everything you buy that's made in china. >> it is weird. i get the impression some of the ideas have rhetoric and then looking at what they would do, it might not be good for the public. that's sort of what i'm getting from your economic analysis. >> you think? >> finally, foreign policy. you pick up on something trump is saying himself. all about his power, his ideas, stamina, ability to eyeball foreign leaders which reminded us a little bit of something president george w. bush said he would do with putin. let's look at this. >> i looked the man in the eye, i found him to be very straight forward and trustworthy. we had a very good dialogueme. i was able to get a sense of his soul. i wouldn't have invited him to my ranch if i didn't trust him. >> that's a personal deploim sy. putin's soul. trust the man. that turned out not to be a good
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bet for america. i don't think anyone trusts vladimir putin today. are there limits to this personal brand of foreign policy? >> the idea establishing an mono-e-mono relationship they'll be more likely to back down when you tell them not to do something. i don't buy that. he's extremely calculating, shrewd. trump painted a president obama as a wimp and just gets pushed around everywhere. i think foreign, you know, a lot of foreign apology strategists say he's more strategic than that. i'm not sure tough guy politics makes any difference at all in foreign afarrefairs but maybe h give it a try. >> if he's going to get this much attention and coverage, part of what you did in the piece and what we have to do is figure out, okay, treat him like a real candidate and scrutinize what he's running on and
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sometimes it's hard and he refuses to announce. thanks for walking us through this. >> sure thing. up next, the man most dangerous man in football and because of what he's doing off the field. ♪ (dorothy) toto, i've a feeling we're not in kansas anymore... (morpheus) after this, there is no turning back. (spock) history is replete with turning points. (kevin) wow, this is great. (commentator) where fantasy becomes reality! (penguin 1) where are we going? (penguin 2) the future, boys. the glorious future. (vo) at&t and directv are now one- bringing your television and wireless together- and taking entertainment to places you'd never imagine. (rick) louis, i think this is the beginning
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story generating excitement. a historic moment today for the nation's military. two women are members of what up until now is an all-male elite team of u.s. army rangers. graduation just wrapped up for first lieutenant haver and
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captain griest. >> reporter: first two female soldiers to graduate from range earl school having this patch pinned on them earlier this morning. it is a huge accomplishment. they're among a group of 96 graduates today but these 2 women were just admitted in a class in april. now, this program as you know is grueling, 42% of those who begin it graduate. just 42%. in fact, more than a third don't make it to day five. there are rigorous physical standards, a five-mile run in under 40 minutes. a 12-mile hike in less than 3 hours. 49 push-ups, this's the physical requirements and the 3 different phases of training. and while there's been talk about the women who made it through, their male counter parts are praising them. everyone talking about how when they were in this training it didn't matter the gender of the soldier out there. they were all there to do a job and to help their fellow
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soldiers. both women will now return to their posts which they held prior to training because they are not allowed to apply to the 75th ranger regiment because that's a combat regiment becaus that is a combat unit. but they will have this badge as we mentioned, the ranger badge they earned and we should point out they nay may not be the only women for long. one other women is currently in school. and if she completes the current phase she's in, sthooel graduate next month. >> second week of the nfl pre season. concussions again grabbing head lines. robert griffin suffered a concussion in last night's game after getting hit in the head on this play there. the nfl saying it is trying to make the game safer for players. and officials note that recorded concussions were actually down 25% last season. but researchers are still concerned the constant hits to a players head throughout the game could lead to more severe problems even later in life.
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a big reason chris borland decided to walk away. here he explains why he most be the most dangerous man in the game. that issue hitting news stands today. we're excited to be joined by the co-author of the article, espn investigative reporter, mark. he walked away from millions. how did he approach that costly decision. >> as he began this process of thinking about it, actually last pre season, even before he even began his career, this was not a decision about money for him. he was pretty clear throughout that. and i think, you know, upon his retirement realized he was going to need to pay back three quarters of a $600,000 signing both. and for him it was a accumulation of thinking about the issue and deciding for
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himself that the idea of continuing to play football at the highest level, play it the way it needs to be played was too dangerous for him. and that he was more concerned about the future and his brain than how much money he was going to make or whether he'd be an nfl star. >> you say he didn't care about the money. and as for stardom in your interviews there with chris, he says, quote, i think in the eyes of a lot of circles especially within football i'm the soft guy. but i'm fine with being the soft healthy guy. quite a statement and we've talked a lot about the culture of football in a lot of areas as there's been criticisms as you well know. what did you make of that? is that some sort of potential trend, where people think about this differently with regard to the dangers they face? >> i think there's been a locht
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discussion about the decision. and he's been clear in stating he is going tell people what he thinks if he's asked as he did with us. at the same time he doesn't want to tell people what to do. and i think there is speculation of what will be the impact, so called cris borland effect. will you see more player retiring at the nfl level? or perhaps more pointedly an increased discussion around whether parents want to let their kids play. we've already seen that discussion elevated and a drop in participation rates. will a decision like borland's, where he is preemptively attacking the issue of brain damage, will that lead parents to have more second thoughts. >> yeah and thoughts about the culture and the mood of how the game is played. it is a long ways from doing what is necessary to bring a player down, to hitting really hard, to being an aggressive player on the field, to actually crossing over into the unnecessary roughness. there is a sense that o not only in nfl but throughout the game
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the culture is you can hit harder than you need to. >> well i think it is not even so much that or even the idea that you can control how much you hit. the sport is what it is. and i think this is borland's message throughout. and it is interesting. he's freer to say it now that he's not playing. i think he talks about how he had to compartmentalize the violence in order to keep playing. his message is i love football but good football is dangerous football. this is what the nature of the sport is. you can't get away from hitting heads playing. and i think when he hears the nfl's mantra of making the game safer or safe, i think his message is -- or at least what he says is that's sort of silly and pointless. >> you can't undo that and the same way boxing has that element to it always. roger goodell has talked about your point saying we have to have a safer culture. >> concussions were down 25% this past regular season. continuing a three year trend.
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the real credit goes to the players and coaches. they have adjusted to the rules and the challenge of creating a culture of safety for our game. but there is more to do on player health and safety. carefully reviewing and improving concussion protocols will be a focus of medical committees this off season. >> does your reporting back up the success hetouting? >> not really. chris was very pointed in this himself. in our piece on outside the lines and in the story we wrote talks about the misnomer around the perpgs. and of course players don't want to report injuries. they want to keep playing. so he thinks in some ways it is a disservice the nfl is throwing out numbers which he thinks are misleading. and steve and i did a story two years ago look at the nfl numbers as they trotted them out. similarly talking about
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declines. and there were real questions in the manner they were calculating a decline in numbers and who was reporting what, how teams were reporting. there did not seem to be a level of consistency. >> important point, mark. thanks for joining us. we turn back tot to the breaking news we've been following all afternoon. the dow has been flirting basically with a 500 point loss. you heard that right. apple stock also down more than 6%. whereas going on? cnbc has you covered from all angles. stay with us. you focus on making great burgers, or building the best houses in town. or becoming the next highly-unlikely dotcom superstar. and us, we'll be right there with you, helping with the questions you need answered to get your brand new business started. we're legalzoom and we've already partnered with over a million new business owners to do just that. check us out today to see how you can become one of them. legalzoom. legal help is here.
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the dow jones just closed down more than 500 points. we'll have more in a few minutes. breaking news out of europe, a shooting on a high speed train this afternoon. three are wounded, two seriously after a gunman opened fire traveling from amsterdam to paris. shortly after the shooting the antiterrorism shooting is investigating near arras france. about 150 miles north of paris. we cannot confirm if this is a picture of the suspect but authorities say the suspect was apprehended. joined now live from london, what more can you tell us about this incident. >> well we are just hearing from u.s. military official ayman that apparently some of those who have been injured are u.s. nationals. now that is not clear how many. it looks as if three people have been