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that does it for me this hour. michael eric dyson picks up live coverage next. >> i'm michael eric dyson. lots of news to get to this friday. the market had its worst kay in four years. we'll have a live report in a few minutes. but first, donald trump is all set to host a mega rally in alabama in mobil. his campaign says they are expecting 36,000 to attend in mobile. if the turnouts are true it could be the largest event of the season. for more our report in mobile ahead of the rally. >> hey michael, how are you? >> good to see you. is the trump campaign still expecting a big crowd tonight, 36,000 and up? >> yeah. definitely up. the latest estimates i've gotten from them are 42,000 which is
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big considering the fact that the stadium around me looks huge but it holds 43,000. i'm told there are going to be people sitting in the risers, in the bleachers over here and then also i'm told stand tong field behind me. a packed house if everything goes as i've been told. >> that is a big number. i think paul bear bryant would be pleased with that as well. what are you hear from the people on the ground? >> most of the people i've spoken to outside, i went out a few minutes ago and there were, you know, people starting to line up. a few hundred folks and lot of them that came were here since the earlier part of the afternoon. and at that point there was thunder, a little lightning. some drizzle. it is sticky out here. they had to be pretty die hard to be standing there for an extended period of time in those conditions but what a lot of them had to say to me, and excuse the sound check happening around here, but what a lot of the reporters have been saying to me is that they are really staunch trump supporters and
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there is really nothing he could say or anyone could say about him that would make them not want to vote for him. i spoke the a few and they said it didn't matter if he was reg sterd as republican or third party candidate. they want the vote for him either way. >> any word on why trump chose mobile for tonight? >> i'm hearing this is a 50 state strategy. this is important to the campaign they get to all of the states and give everybody some love. but local officials have also told me that alabama has really become a hot spot. especially in the early part of the campaign as they move their primary up to march 1st. and a lot of candidates have been coming through alabama. last week john kasich. and scott walker tomorrow. ore candidate toss alabama throughout the week. not mobile but other parts in the state for some. and really it has become a hot spot for the early foofrt campaign. and this local official i was
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talking to saying they might have already given out the governor's endorsement but on primary day the big endorsement is going to come from voters. >> wear hearing trump may follow his 7 -- >> [ inaudible ]. drowning out. >> we appreciate you noticing that was the phantom of the opera. so we're saying that trump may fly his 757 over the stadium tonight. what are you hearing? >> i've heard that too. i know that initially our presser that we always get before the event has been moved to afterthe event. and i've heard that same rumor. that we could be getting a nice flyover before the event, which i think the crowd here judging by other crowds -- as i scream -- other crowds have enjoyed him just being him in person. i think this crowd here would really go wild. >> preserve your hearing and your voice. thank you for your time. for more let me bring in my
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panel. if 36,000 people show up to this event, what does that tell you? >> i'm not very surprised by. this for two reasons. one at media matters all we do is listen to the right wing media. so we're seeped in this. and what donald trump is out there saying, a lot of the policies and a lot of the rage and animosity he's tapping into the frustration mounting by listeners of conservative talk for years now. he's not only validating those feelings but giving that audience a channel, an avenue to feel like they can actually effect public policy. and we've seen this before and this is the second reason. which is that being able to draw big crowd like this. glen beck was able to get almost 80,000 people to travel across the country to washington d.c. because they thought they could effect public policy.
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that doesn't necessarily make a presidential candidate because you can tap into frustration mounting for a long time. >> you are known as the staunch but reasonable republican. are you surprised about the figure of 36,000 tonight? and what does that indicate about the future and the political pedigree of your own party? >> well it just means that the party really is a big tent. donald trump is not your typical candidate for president. he's not your typical republican. and yet still he's leading in all the national polls. leading in iowa, leading in new hampshire. and his support is rock solid. it's really defied the odds so far. and he's been very much, very teflon. he's got rock star status and i think wherever he goes he's going to be playing to big audiences. before he was a candidate for the presidency he was a reality star and before that he was a mega successful businessman. so i think people just have a lot of respect for him. they know he's unfiltered in his remarks and they like that. they are just tired of politicians saying the same old
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stuff and being cautious about what they say and when. so i think that is part of the mystique. >> andy, given the fact that people seem to be attracted to trump because he's the truth teller, is that going to wear off when people begin to push for more substantive public policy and when they see what the consequences are for some of the believes he has about the american populous. >> i think you are right that he has been very vague about anything resembling policy in substantive measures. what he would actually do as the president of the united states. even just saying that feels kind of crazy. but as those policies begin to be rolled out we did see something resembling immigration white pair paper or position statement. and that has not only been met with -- does not pop or stand out in some way that say just his persona and his nice hat and
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jumbo jet do pop for republican voters. so so i think the glow could wear off. i don't think it is right now. i think that those attendance numbers could very well bear out in the next few hours here. >> angelo, a new poll shows 57% of republicans think trump will be the nominee. 57%. what is your reaction. >> and that is what you are hearing in conservative talks. if you are that typical republican primary voter who listens to even casually conservative media, what you will hear is that donald trump is unstoppable. that, you know, while his execution of some of our ideas might not be effective he's finally doing exactly what we've been saying the longest time which is just being a real conservative and standing up. and i think that is what we're seeing playing out here in that particular stat you are giving there. which is that they are buying into the own misinformation that they are constantly fed. and in sort of a feedback loop. >> joe, as an african american
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republican, are you concerned about the perception of xenophobia or nativism that is, if you will, rolling and echoing in the language of donald trump or those who gather around him? is that mitigated by the sense that he's a very popular person? or does that contradict the notion of the big tent you talked about in terms of republican party. >> the only way the party wins in november 2016 is if the tent is larger than it has been. last time the nominee had a significant showing but not nearly strong enough to win or make it a close campaign. the only way republicans win in 2016 is if the tent is much larger and if the people who are black and brown and from various ethnicities and various belief systems are part of the party and are voting with the nominee. donald trump is so far managed to really surprise all of the pundits, including me who thought his candidacy would be
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short lived and leading stance in the polls would be. he's even had african americans stumping with him. who aren't political people but who like what he's saying and like the fact he's come to the defense of people of color in immigration matters as well as some others. donald trump is a very unusual candidate. i think he's going to end up, if he ends up staying first in the polls he is going to be able to relate to a lot of americans across colors. >> all right. so andy, the next republican debate will be hosted by cnn on september 16th. trump knows he's a ratings machine. so he's floating the idea of making cnn donate to charity. he said quote if i go to cnn and i say look you are going to have a massive audience. and if i say to them i want 10 million for charity, nothing for myself. what happens? i'm not showing up unless you give 10 million to cancer, to this, to that. you pick ten great charities. one million dollars per. if i'm in it they are going to make a crazy audience and make a
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fortune. would you ever say to them i wanted 10 million for aids research for cancer for this type or not? or is it too cute? what do you make of that? is that for of donald trump's overlarge personality or a man with a heart seeking to help charity while he's also leaning the pockets, you know, not himself but he says cnn. >> yeah i think i would go with the former observation that you make here. i think this is some classic donald trump bluster and ego. and then that whole interview you reference is just filled with -- i mean it is trump, you know, in his essence, if you will. i think the comment isind of hilarious. he's right, the first debate was a massive ratings success. and his clips, his quips were being reprinted and rerun all over the internet and television. and it is the -- does stand to benefit cnn for him to be there. so you think he's also sort of in his own way maybe not even
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intentionally, sort of, you know, poking at the spot here with politics and with the media and with this phenomenon on the republican side that he's created. >> so angelo, could trump ever pull that off what he said in that time magazine interview? >> this is a tactic he's employed before. let's not forget he issued the same ultimatum, threat, idea, proposal to president obama when he was engaging in that whole birther nonsense and trying to get the president to release all that information that he said was not clear yet. he said if he does this i'll give 5 million dollars to charity. which for donald trump would have been significant. of all the billionaires out there, he's actually the least charitable if not the least charitab charitable billionaire. from my perspective i would be very surprised if he could pull it ouch. the one thing he is able to pull off is to maintain his entertainment brand. that is the bottom line. at end of the day this is about
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entertainment. he's a celebrity and they get an opportunity to see and participate in a celebrity event. and it is the same thing that you see in this interview playing out. it is with the hollywood reporter, i point that out because the fact he chose that as his first interview is revealing. reinforces the notion he's entertainment brand. and the stunts and gimmicks. this is a show. even the local media in alabama is calling this a circus. >> given that analysis that this is a circus, do you think the republicans have underestimated trump? not simply in predicting how high he would rise in the polls but how much of an appeal he has to an audience or a base in your republican party that you may not want to acknowledge is there and there in a very strong fashion. >> angelo makes a very good point. donald trump is a brand. and whether he wins a nomination or not he's going to remain a brand and even be a stronger brand after than when he started. but he also is someone who has
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to be taken very seriously. a couple of months ago i would have said his candidacy might be short lived, flame out soon. but donald trump is showing amazing resiliencesy. he's got people on the ground in iowa and new hampshire and that's what it takes to win those. even with the comments he's made which some find offensive, he's managed to hang on to a strong base and really spans men, women and even within republicans ethnicity. so donald trump is somebody to be taken very seriously. he is someone who if he continues this pace and building support is going to be someone to be contended with. he could very well win the nomination for president. wow so the market has its worst day in years today. if he was elected how would trump do on the economy? what do you think about that?
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andy. >> for one it was exciting to see trump tweet something about an issue. the economy in this case. it is hard to parse what he means. almost like a fortune cookie what he means by that tweet there. if he were president he has given so many mixed signals over the years in the current context of the campaign he's talked about going toe to toe with china, on trade, on the economy. however in the past he's also called for taxes on assets for the wealthy which is decidedly liberal. so i think it is sort of up in the air and perhaps maybe the debates coming up would shed light on where he actually stands. >> all right. thank you so much for your time tonight. ahead it seems like hillary clinton's e-mail saga is never going to end. now a federal judge wants the fbi to expand their investigation. the details ahead. not confidentr company's data is secure, the possibility of a breach can quickly become the only thing you think about.
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eight stocks plunged today. it was the worst day for the stock market in four years. the dow jones fell 530 points, the s&p dropped 64 points and the nasdaq lost 171 points. for more i'm joined by cnbc's mary thompson. >> ouch. that is what they were saying today. ouch. >> what is behind that ouch? >> the s&p 500 lost $1.1 trillion in market cap. this was the worst week for the s&p, the dow and the nasdaq since 2011. and as you pointed out, the worst one-day decline for the dow as well since 2011. basically concerns have been building throughout the week about slowing growth around the world. concerns that were embedded in the -- some of the data that we've been seeing out of china. china being the second largest economy. there are signs that economy is slowing down so investors increasingly have become
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cautious about what lies ahead for the global economy. even as data points here in the u.s. point to a strengthening u.s. economy. basically wall street gave in today -- i shouldn't say gave in. but the sellers were out in force today and that helped drive the dow down 530. what is important about today's session is with today's decline the dow is now in what we call "correction territory" and that means the blue chip index is more than 10% below recent highs. the good news is what we've seen in the past recently, when we've seen a correction in the dow or s&p 500, investors have jumped in and the markets have rebounded. whether we see that next week remains to be seen but you can bet investors will be keeping a close eye on asia sunday night when the markets open there and what's happening in europe and what keys they can give us to trading here in the u.s. on monday. >> thanks for joining us, [ male announcer ] whether it takes 200,000 parts,
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. the controversy over hillary clinton's private e-mail isn't going away soon. on thursday a federal judge said that clinton did not comply with government policies in the use of her e-mail account. we couldn't be here today if the employee had followed government policy. judge sullivan also urged the state department and fbi to expand their investigation into clinton's e-mail serve. a new cnn poll shows 56% of americans think clinton did something wrong by using her personal e-mail address. 39% say she didn't do anything wrong. the clinton campaign is working harder than ever to calm the storm over the controversy. they released this campaign video earlier today. >> the head of the benghazi committee in the house even admits hillary clinton's e-mails has nothing do with the benghazi inquiry that is supposed to be the charge of his committee.
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overlooked. the issue has nothing whatsoever to do with use of private server. what is going on here is something that happens all the time. you have a bureaucratic tangle over what counts as classified and what doesn't. and that's legal scholars have noted the definition for the classification is flexible in the first part. we fully expect republicans are going want to continue to talk about hillary clinton's e-mails. but she's fighting for the -- >> for more let me bring in my panel. professor, did hillary clinton in anyway break the law with the use of her private server? >> i think not at all. this is app tempest in a teapot. the secretary of state has to have some discretion and does have some discretion to decide what servers, what computers are
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authorized. some discretion to decide what is secret, what is not, what is classified, what is not -- which is not a very clear demarcation anyway. she has to have some leeway to conduct the business of the secretary of state, the diplomas, whidiplomas diplomacy, which cannot be conducted in a fish bowl. this is all smell petty stuff compared to for example the big story we had just before you came on about the stock market and worries about the economy. >> do you agree with the professor jonathan, in light of what his analysis is, and in light of that video that argued, at least, that these rules were flexible to begin with? what do you make of what the judge said? >> i think it is pretty hard to make an argument involving flexible rules. it doesn't really play very well in the political discourse. so she needs to simplify her argument. but i basically do agree with the professor, that there is no
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"there" there. when the judge says she violated government policy, she's the policy maker. didn't say she violated any law. he said rule. he makes t she makes the rules. as it happened there were some bureaucratic rules in 2010 that she was not in compliance with. what this story has done is fed the interpretation of hillary clinton over the years that she plays by her own rules. and even though as secretary of state she is allowed to play by her own rules, it doesn't look a good. because this is something that has bedevilled the clintons for decades really, that they write their own rules so she will get past this. the idea that trump is pedaling, that will somehow derail her nomination is not plausible. it is highly unlikely i think that this turns into something very serious for her. but the drip drip drip will be harmful in the short and maybe
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medium turn. >> in light of his analysis, how best should hillary clinton proceed? and then what do you make of the judge calling her "the employee"? handicap first how she's handling this and is that typical legal reference and language? >> no. and in fact what the judge said really had nothing to do with the task at hand. a right wing organization is trying to get some information out of the government. and all the judge was saying is that if she had followed the rules that apply to the ordinary employees, his job, the judge's job, would have been much easier. in fact she's not an ordinary employee. she is the head of the state department. and as jonathan reiterated here, she can make the rules, the rules that apply to some other employees don't apply to the person who is carrying on high-level diplomacy that must be cared out -- cannot be carried out in a fish bowl.
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but i think that -- i also agree with jonathan, that hillary clinton has to do a much better job of explaining all of this. because otherwise it plays into the myths that are spun about the clintons that they are hyper secret. they do what they want. they don't follow the rules. they don't follow the law. she needs to be much better and clearer on all of this. >> so you have already indicated that the video was good. but then the flexibility, people don't get that. as a member of the media, what do you want to hear from hillary clinton that would say to you, all right, she's dealt with that. it's pretty clear. let's move on. >> i don't want to be in the business of giving her political advice. but i did write a column this week in the daily beast, which suggested that if donald trump were hillary clinton he would be handling it pretty differently. he would be saying hey, for
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instance, trey gowdy on capitol hill. you haven't released a single e-mail. and there is suggestions there is a political witch hunt against me. we can only find out if he see your e-mails. let's see yours if you want mine released. that is what trump would do if he were hillary. i think he would also colin powell. he was secretary of state, he had a private e-mail account. why isn't anybody talking about that. i this i hillary clinton is still in too much of a defensive crouch on this and she needs to get out there and not really, you know, be ashamed of the way she handled that part of her job. even though she could have done it better and her aids could have served her better. >> well jonathan, you have helped us come up with what would trump do? that might be something they will stick with. still ahead could caitlyn jenner be facing up to a year in
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and stay ready for everything that is still to come. caitlyn jenner could be facing jail time for her role in a deadly car crash this year. she may be charged with misdemeanor manslaughter. investigators found her traveling speed was a factor in the crash. >> caitlyn jenner is back in the spotlight this morning in a detailed report about the deadly multicar crash. the sheriff's department said investigators found gen you aje driving too fast for the prevailing wet conditions. although investigators say she was driving below the posted speed limit. in february her cadillac
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escalade was pulling an off road vehicle on a trailer. this footage from a passing bus shows jenner was unable to stop in time and her suv rear-ended two cars. one of those cars, a lexus was pushed into the on coming traffic and struck head on by a hummer. the driver of the lexus was killed. with the investigation complete, the l.a. county sheriff's department says the district are determine what if any charges are filed in this case or if there will be a request for further investigation. >> there are three main factors. three sets of facts. one, caitlyn's conduct. two, her speed. three, what was the flow of traffic and other people on the road doing at the same time? >>sheriffs department declined to comment. after the accident she released a statement to the loved ones
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and all those injured in the this terrible accident. >> still to come, are court officials nationwide excluding african american citizens from juries because of race? the details ahead. i'm hampton pearson with your cnbc market wrap. a punishing day for the stocks. dow closing at session lows. down 530 points and off more than a thousand points this week. the s&p sliding more than 3%, suffering its worst daily percentage loss from late 2011. the nasdaq plummeting 171, 3.5% into correction territory. another bruising day for crude, which fell below $40 a barrel for the first time since 2009. it managed to reclaim that level but still finished off by 2%. that is it from cnbc, first in business worldwide.
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america's favorite pass time is a big money industry. major league baseball saw 9 billion in revenue in 2014. the minimum salary is just over $500,000. thanks to a collective bargaining agreement between the league and the mlb pa. this year's average salary is over 300 million dollars in the mlb but for small time sluggers it is a much different story. they make on average between 3,000 and $7500 for a five month season. they are not represented by a union. now former minor league players want to level the playing field. a class action lawsuit filed on behalf of 43 former players in 2014 is moving forward. the suit alleges the mlb's exemption from antitrust laws allows the league to openly collude for working conditions for player.
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the suit alleges league suppresses wages in violation of federal and state law. claims they often receive less than minimum wage during the season. due to low wages with workweeks up to 70 hours with no overtime pay. and they receive no salary for spring training or other periods of training. the spokesperson for the league believes it is compliance with the law. they said the minimum wage and overtime provisions of federal and state wage and hour laws were not intended to apply to professional athletes such as minor league baseball players. joining me now is garrett brushhouse. former minor league pitcher. one of the attorneys working on the lawsuit. attorney brushhouse how is the lout progressing? it seems outrageous to many at home looking at this to think these young players are not being protected by any kind of consideration of the law. >> it is trainings.
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this is something that i went through a as a player and struck me right away early in the my year that something was wrong. one of my first friends in baseball was a venezuelan player and he had a pregnant fiancé back home and he was trying to just save 20 dollars a month to send home and he had a tough time do that. and very early on it struck me as something was wrong in the system. and as you noted, more money is pouring into the system than ever. and the major leaguers are certainly thriving. the owners are certainly thrive but those at the bottom are not recouping any of the benefit at all even though they are helping support the system. so it is a classic case of not being awarded the value of the services provided. so our lawsuit is a year and a half in now. and it is progressing slowly as complex litigation does. but we believe that we will truly make a difference for a lot of guys. >> to those sitting at home
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listening they may think well look it doesn't make any sense for major league teams not invest back into their form teams their minor league teams because if those young men are doing poorly the product that ultimate hi comes forth in the major leagues won't make that much of a difference. it seems a little more investment might make a difference. has that argument been suggested? and what are the consequences of failing to help these young men make more money and do better in their careers? >> sure. so a perfect example is nutrition. the modern day athlete takes his nutrition very seriously and takes his training very seriously. and so you go to spring training and they -- they often bring in nutritionists and tell you how to eat and they have programs telling you how to eat. and the modern day athlete takes that seriously. but when paying the salaries they pay it is very hard to eat in a nutritious manner. very often they resort to eating at mcdonald's day after day and just grabbing anything they can
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as quickly as possible and as cheaply as possible. and it is not the best thing for their body. so you are exactly right. if they would invest a little more it would help a lot of these guys to develop a little more too. >> so why has it been so difficult for minor leaguers to unionize? >> terrific question. i call it the prals of the status quo. paralysis. something that's been going on so long and it is a system that is ingrained into the industry. thousands of players desperate to reach the next sloefl they are very leerily r toy do anything that would upset the status quo at all. it's very difficult for anyone to go in there to try to unionize such player. a lot of them have little education. you are talking about 40% latinos in the minor leagues. many of them who signed when they were 16 and 17 years old out of the dominican and
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venezuela. and so it is very difficult to unionize that group of workers. >> right. often highly intelligent latinos coming here but the language barrier could be prohibitive in terms of trying to strike a just contract. >> absolutely. highly intelligent individuals but you know they haven't had the benefit of a college education. and they are, they are desperate to make it to the next level. >> garrett, thank you so much sir. still to come, scientists say global warming could be partly to blame for the historic drought in california this year. toenail fungus? seriously? smash it with jublia! jublia is a prescription medicine proven to treat toenail fungus.
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the global average surface temperature in july was nearly 61.86 degrees fahrenheit. that beats the previous global record in 1998 and 2010. scientists predict 2015 will be the hottest year ever. i'm joined now by michael brune. the report says global warming conditions have most likely increased the drought in california by 15-20%. what can be done to counteract that? >> there is lots. but to solve the problem you have to first admit the problem exists. what we're seeing in california is that the climate change is both increasing the likelihood of droughts and then the intensity as you just mentioned. the growing emissions are making the likelihood of a drought more than twice what we would normally see. and then also making them as you say 15-20% worse. the good news is that we actually have solutions we can
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put to use. that we don't need to be wedded to a fate of intensifying drought, intensifying wild fires. intensifying extreme weather events. we actually have solutions like clean energy that can be put into place to start to displace fossil fuels. >> what is your reaction to president obama trying to limit emissions with the plan expected to force shut down of coal-fired power plants. >> we think it is one -- it actually. is the most effective thing any president has ever done on climate change. right now coal fired represents about a third of greenhouse gas emissions, the climate pollution released in the country. and the biggest tragedy that we don't need it. solar right now is cheaper than coal in many parts of the country. wind power is now cheaper than coal in many parts of the country. solar and wind combined produce more than twice the amount of jobs in most parts of the
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country. so we actually can displace fossil fuel, starting with coal, then oil and gas. we can embrace clean energy, solve climate change, make our air cleaner, water cleaner and put more people to work. almost everybody would support that except every republican running for president of the united states right now and the coal companies profiting from the status quo. >> did i hear you do that four out of five deaths are caused by coal in the country. >> four of the five leading causes to death, coal contributes to that. the mining of coal, the burning, the disposal of the ash waste has a huge impact on the health of all americans. >> got you. >> more than a third of all americans right now live in places where it is unhealthy to breathe. and coal is a primary cause of this. >> okay. >> i'll also audit people of color and low income communities that bear a disproportionate
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share of this burden and need to be locked into the clean energy future we're trying to create. >> in yet another example of environmental racism. >> exactly. >> a report this university of davis projected the drought could cost the california economy $2.7 billion this year alone. what's your reaction to that? >> well, our reaction is that what is happening right now here in california is that it is the farmers suffering the most. it is, again, low-income people suffering the most. and what is most tragic is that we actually have the solutions right now to solve this problem. california will get droughts -- has received droughts for hundreds of years and will continue to be in cycles of droughts. but the likelihood of those droughts will increase and the intensity of those droughts will increase unless we do something. so it's up to us to hold our government leaders accountable to make sure we're making a transition to clean urge. >> michael brune, thank you very much. >> thank you. next, several courts in the
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south are being excused of excluding african-americans from juries from reasons as trivial as poor posture. the details next. no? you can't see that? alright, let's take a look. the one on the right just used 1% less fuel than the one on the left. now, to an airline, a 1% difference could save enough fuel to power hundreds of flights around the world. hey, look at that. pyramids. so you see, two things that are exactly the same have never been more different. ge software. get connected. get insights. get optimized. they don't worry if something's possible. they just do it. at sears optical, we're committed to bringing them eyewear that works as hard as they do. right now, buy one pair and get another free. quality eyewear for doers. sears optical
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that black people were excluded from the jury 48% of the times. the average 12-person injury had fewer than four black members. prosecutors can dismiss potential jurors without offering any explanation. if lawyers are accused of racial discrimination during the selection process, the supreme court says they must offer neutral justification for the maneuver. lawyer have cited failure to make eye contact, living in a poor part of town, bad posture, hair length and having a hyphenated last name when trying to strike a jury. the imbalance in the jury pool may be connected to a faulty drawing process. jury lists are taken from voter registration records. blacks may be less likely to be on lists that are drawn from these records. laws that create administrative hurdles in the registration process often disproportionately affect people of color. the consequences could be devastating on the jury pool. in georgia, prosecutors excluded
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every black prospective jury in a death penalty case against a black defendant. the supreme court agreed to hear the case. "foster v. chapman" could be a powerful force in changing racial inequality in the courtroom. joining me now is attorney fo n fortner, how did things get so messed up? >> professor dyeson, good afternoon. we have lawyers engaging in racially discriminatory practices and those are unethical. they have judges who will turn a blind eye toward it and the system gets skewed and stops functioning appropriately. that's the bottom line. >> sure. >> let's bring in paul henderson. given that voter suppression could directly affect jury demographics, do we need new
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ways to gather prospective jurors? >> i think that's one of the possible ways that we can do it. we can look at other ways of bringing in jurors and maybe looking at the ranks using dmv records. i think voting records is important because we want as many people represented as possible, specifically from disenfranchised communities but that's only the first step. the secondary step is making the criminal justice system more inclusion their. we need more diverse perspectives in the criminal justice system so that we have more diverse prosecutors, we have more diverse judicial officers that are participate and monitoring this process to make sure those subjective decisions in determining who serves on a jury are made fairly and represent the entirety of a
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communit community. >> attorney fortner, tell us in plain language why diversity on a jury is so important and why plaque people in a predominantly black parish should be represented in a jury pool. >> well, it's like the professor is saying, you have to have a wide range of opinions and view, culturally blacks tend to be different. not just blacks but hispanic, middle easterners. their view on things tend to be different than caucasian jurors. and even caucasians, the poor will see things differently than the ones that are wealthier. so the system deneeds to include everyone, not just conservative republicans. >> mr. henderson, how many change can the superior court enact with their ruling?
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>> well, they enacted in the determining we have to have racial and gender neutral reasons for dismissing jurors but it's great to have the courts be involved in promoting change that helps this process improve and get better. is one of the things we're not talking about here but is important when we're looking at this issue is understanding that the majority of victims and the majority of witnesses that come in are from many of these disenfranchised communities. that's often the other side of the lens that doesn't get talked about but also why it's equally important to make sure that we have jurors that represent all communities when they come into our criminal justice system and our civil justice system as well. >> well, in 30 seconds or less, mr. fortner, at the end of the day it's important to have these jurors and makes a difference not only in the selection
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process but the outcome so we thank you, of course, and paul henderson for joining us because it's an important point. i'm michael eric dyson. "politics nation" with w reverend al sharp ton starts right now. >> right now on "politics nation" donald trump stomps the gop field. we're just flowers the biggest 2016 rally yet and it's putting republicans on defense. also, remember this guy? todd akins' comments were infamous. but are gop candidates now even worse on women's rights? the push to draft joe biden in 2016 gets a big boost and jon stewart's next act could he the b a debate moderator?
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