continues. how long will it last? many in the republican establishment hope not long. many on the other side hope it keeps on going. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton, have a great weekend. "hardball" starts right now. friday night lights. can trump fill the seats? let's play "hardball." good evening, i'm chris matthews. what do you make of this trump thing throughout? is it a moment? a flash in the pan or has he got something that will last into the electoral battle for the presidency? well, let me read you something from my brother charlie. i've told you about him many times before. he's my brother who's had a lifetime uncanny ability to pick presidential winners. who he votes for wins. this is what he wrote me early today and i take it very seriously. "trump has energized the middle.

the middle is where every winner wins. the idiots who think the far right and the far left have to be kowtowed to are wrong. he's talking to people like me and we love it. we are not idiots and realize this may be a fairy tale but he's not stuck in the washington crowd who most of us republicans known as rhinos hate. we hate the logjams the republican party creates. we hated the last two elections as the candidates sucked." this is my brother talking. "the vp suggestions were awful, flat out unelectable. we voted for obama who has in all accounts been much better than the choices we had but he still missed the mark on a lot of stuff. much better than bush and the vp, that's chaeney. we do not speak his name in or out of hogwarts." that's my brother talking. so now donald trump will taking the stage in front of approximately 36,000 people wh which is an unusual crowd for any sport, certainly the sport

of politics. he also will be holding a press conference with reporters, we'll take you to that live as soon as we can get you to it. nbc's katie tur is on the site in mobile, alabama. first of all, what's the temperature down? it's beautiful in d.c. it is a hot summer sultry -- what do you call it -- well, never mind. >> sweltering. sweltering. oppressive. >> redneck riviera. >> it's a little cooler now. it might threat on the rain at some point tonight but so far it's held off. 90 degrees today. pretty awful and muggy but people are still coming out, lined up, filing in right now and it looks like he's going potentially to fill this stadium although there is a long way to go and he's just done a fly by in his trump 757, chris. >> are there any black people there? >> i have not seen any today that have come out for donald trump. i spoke -- i spoke with a lot of

people at lunch today and they were all to be blunt caucasian white people who expressed support. the others did not. >> let me ask you about the airplane. i heard there was a flyover, in a lighter moment. there it is. >> yeah, there was. he -- exactly. he did his 757 fly by to the crowd. they announced it and there was some pretty big cheers. you have to admit, he likes to make an entrance. chris, i loved that letter from your brother. that's what i'm getting when i talk to people in the seven states that i've been with him to. also when i'm flying over a number of the other states sitting next to people on planes asking me what they do i'm telling them i'm following trump. and otherwise people that just look like you and me, no marmal looking people, not far right or left, no mall looking people who have normal opinions and feel he's been speaking to them, he's reasonable, not a politician, that he's not going to keep feeding them the biased

information or telling them one thing and doing another. so certainly this is a moment in time right now and it remains to be seen if this will be a movement but this is the dog days of summer right now. no football season. school is still out for a lot of the country. no fall tv. the entertainment on television is donald trump going out there and making a run for presidency. so if this lasts through the fall then you'll have something to contend with but as of now he's not going anywhere and he's as loud as ever. as is this music. >> we'll be back to you when the'll go has landed. we me now, the huffington post howard fineman, steve kornacki and joy reid. joy reid, i want to go over this because i read your pre-interview and i know what your thinking is, your analysis. what's interesting in this polling, the cnn/orc poll, the national opinion and research corporation is basically that he isn't going to left or center left. but his appeal seems to pick up on independents who lean

republican. then you get moderate republicans and further right and then conservative republicans then tea partierss. so he has a big grab of the electorate starting somewhere in the middle. so he's middle to right. he's not -- you think, though, based upon your sampling, that he's all tea party. i wonder if you think a still. >> i'd like to see a venn diagram between the tea party, palinites and trump supporters. remember, teamers claim they weren't far right, they weren't really republicans, they were just average americans who wanted the truth. and so i think what you have with trump and what i see as his base is not just the far right but the right and it's a lot of republicans who are disgruntled with the republican party. it's white republicans. it's mostly white male republicans and it's basically white americans who fell left out of obama's america, who are peeved with the fact that their preferred party can't seem to beat obama and who want to hear a guy be able to stand up and be as politically incorrect as they

can't be. they'd get fired from their jobs if they put on if some of the things trump said but here's a guy who can say what he wants to them, be a man's man and get out there and be the kind of ronald reaganesque kind of america where we did what we want, said what we want, pushed the world around and told them to go to hell. >> you're capturing his idiom. howard, you're smiling. is she right? i mean, i think it starts in the middle right and moves to the hard right. i don't think it's just a bunch of crazy right wingers. i can accept any analysis except the polling is solid here. >> and i saw one respected poll today of republicans that said that 57% of republicans now expect donald trump to be the republican nominee. now, that's the -- >> i'm sorry -- >> don't laugh. that's the rasmussen poll which is well respected when it comes to republicans because that's their in-house bias. so that's very interesting to me. >> this is the fastest evolution in history. >> well, you have to remember --

>> i thought same-sex marriage was the fastest evolution. this is really fast. >> as joy was saying and as katy tur pointed out looking around the crowd, this is a sectarian -- this is a racially sectarian thing at this point. >> you can see that in the crowd. >> you can see that in the crowd. if you're hispanic and you're an hispanic family and you hear what donald trump is saying, that it's not dog whistle but foghorn about getting 11 million people out of the country, get them out of the country. when you see his almost casual comic expressions of violence wh which we saw the other night, bing, bong, holding up the gun. >> sonny corleone. >> it was a little bit of corleone, a little bit of making the trains run on time. the positive side is he is telling people in the middle-class, the conservative suburban middle-class that he can get things done. and by the way, he's not saying "i'm going destroy government." he's saying "i'm make sure you get your social security check, i'll make sure it doesn't go bankrupt, i'll make sure you get medicare. i'm the only guy left who can

make government work. because it's so big and so sprawling that you need somebody of my business cleverness and my confidence to actually make government work." so he's appealing on that side and the business side and the fear side as well. >> sounds so true. steve, your take. i want to hear all three. you're last but let's hear it. >> look, there's been an assumption that i think we're seeing is being proven wrong by the trump campaign. there's been an assumption since the rise of the tea party, the tea party itself, the republican base, the right wing, it was all an ideological movement that was going to pull the party further to the right. the party has gone further to the right but what we're seeing in trump is that fundamentally as joy said, as howard said, what's motivating the base of the republican party is this sense of cultural anxiety. the interesting thing about donald trump, howard just getting to it, listen to the things he says. he goes out there and says "the iraq war was one of the biggest mistakes in american history." he says "the bush family has no

business running the country anymore." >> he said bush was the stupidest president we ever had. so steve, you're up in new york, i love the way you work in shirt sleeves. it's rough and ready. it's cool. very millennial. let me ask you this. he's a secular guy. he's been married three times. i'm not knocking it but he's hardly a bible thumper. he's hardly running on cultural and religious issues. he's no rick santorum. that doesn't seem to bother southern whites who are mostly baptist and religious. doesn't bother them he's lived in new york and manhattan, sin city as far as most of them are concerned up there with those ethnic people. doesn't bother them. the fact he's a new york we are the "new yorker" brashness doesn't seem to bother them. is there anything cultural he has in common with the people in those stands tonight? anything? >> i think joy hit on it. he's speaking to the sense of cultural anxiety about the rise of the obama coalition in the last few years, this nostalgia for ronald reagan, make america great again, that's a call back to ronald reagan right there and

he shares their absolute disgust with and contempt for the republican party establishment in major political institutions in this country today and when he goes up there and calls out, for instance, the bush family by name, when he calls the iraq war one of the biggest mistakes in american history, he's talking in a way that none of these other republicans talk like and telling the people in that base, yeah, they say the things you want to hear but none of them mean it and deliver on it. look at me, i'm being authentic, i am somebody who can deliver on it. >> let me go back to joy. i want to ask you a question. a profound anthropological question. ronald reagan seemed to work it. he worked the the irish, the italians, the ethnic, the polish, the people in the middle politically, the ones who never felt like country club types, if you will, that weren't elite in some sort of social sense, which is nonsense, most of this stuff: but among african-americans, reagan never got a yes. what was that about? >> well, it was partly because of the style because you remember reagan comes in and his

message, he starts in philadelphia, mississippi, which wasn't exactly a way to start off your campaign being open to african-american, right? >> where there civil rights guys were buried alive. >> exactly, the place where three civil rights leaders were murdered and he said things about states rights that were meant to be a dog whistle to the archie bunker crowd. so he turned off african-americans from the get go. and what reagan's message had in common with the meat and potatoes message you're hearing from donald trump is that the substitute slogan for it could be "it's time you got yours." this attitude of the african-americans, they got theirs, they got the white house. the gays are getting theirs, look at all of us focused on gay marriage. the latinos got theirs, they get to come over the border, look they're everywhere in our country. it's time you got yours. he's saying to that middle aged right guy, whether he's rich, middle-class or broke "i'm going to make sure you get yours. this is going to be your country again." it's a very ethnically polarizing appeal and it can

only appeal to that white guy. it isn't going to appeal to african-americans and latinos because when what he's saying to that white guy, you're getting your, he means getting yours and taking it away from or pushing away the rest of us and saying this is your america, not theirs. >> so robert de niro, you talking to me? you talking to me? >> well, i think it's a little robert de niro and a little ayn rand in the sense that -- i agree with most of what joy was saying there and i think it's racially divisive. but he's also saying, look, i'm not going to destroy the private sector but i'm a businessman and i'm going to restore the vigor of private enterprise and everybody will get rich. he's saying everybody will get rich because i know how to get rich. i'll make other people rich. he's like the pope of the free market. that's the other thing he's running as. he's saying i've been successful. >> no no minimum wage, none of that stuff. >> let's get the government out

of regulating that stuff and i will let you business people do better because i'm going to get part of the government off your back? >> why couldn't guys like michael bloomberg and ed rendell that talked about building again, how come they couldn't sell it? >> michael bloomberg could because he spent his life in business. >> or rendell. let's get building highways and bridges and subway systems in the big cities, it never worked? >> he also has again to refer to ayn rand, he's saying "i build things." and it's a metaphor ma works up to a point. you can examine the details and wonder but when he says "i can build a wall" he's built big buildings. superficially, people agree. >> it the commercial for huey carey in 1974. "before somebody tells you what they're going to do, ask them what they've done." powerful stuff. howard, friday night lights, thank you, steve.

thank you, joy, always great. keep the argument going. i want to hear it up well, doesn't matter if i want to hear it, you i'll give it to me. coming up, with this talk of trump, what happened to the issues central to the core christian conservatives. former pennsylvania rick santorum is coming here as my guest in a moment live. this is "hardball," the place for politics. unbelievable! toenail fungus? seriously? smash it with jublia! jublia is a prescription medicine proven to treat toenail fungus. use jublia as instructed by your doctor. look at the footwork! most common side effects include ingrown toenail, application site redness, itching, swelling, burning or stinging, blisters, and pain. smash it! make the call and ask your doctor if jublia is right for you. new larger size now available.

to pay down the debt of the united states warning it doesn't sound like it comes from a 2016 gop front-runner. let's listen to trump of old here. let me put you in a situation, a

professional situation. you just got out of wharton business school, you're out practicing, you're an accountant, your client says to you "i'm scared to death some crazy guy wants to put a tax on everybody who owns more than $10 million. how do you protect me?" what would you say? >> i'd start off by saying the man must be brilliant. the economy would boom. we'd have no debt. i know about debt, probably as much as anybody. i've had too much and i've had too little. and you know what? too little is much better, believe me. >> of course, trump's history has drawn criticism from his republican opponents, jeb bush pounced on that old trump position yesterday and tried to play up his, jeb's, own conservative bona fides. >> there's a big difference between donald trump and me. i'm a proven conservative with a record. he isn't. i cut taxes every year, he's proposed the largest tax increase in mankind's history, not just our own country's history. i have been consistently pro life. he until recently was for partial-birth abortion. i've never met a person that actually thought that was a good idea. he's been a democrat longer than

being a republican. i have fought for republican and conservative causes all of my adult life and i just think when people get this narrative, whatever the term is, the compare and contrast narrative, then they'll find that i'll be the guy they vote for. >> narrative, whatever that new term is. i can't stand the excitement, jeb. we'll be right back. rate to severe ulcerative colitis, the possibility of a flare was almost always on my mind. thinking about what to avoid, where to go... and how to deal with my uc. to me, that was normal. until i talked to my doctor. she told me that humira helps people like me get uc under control and keep it under control when certain medications haven't worked well enough. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened; as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment, get tested for tb.

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>> you have taken the first step of taking back this country. people ask me what motivates me. i say the dignity of every human life. whether it's the sanctity of life in the womb or the dignity of every working person in america to fulfill their potential. you will have a friend in rick santorum. we are off to new hampshire. game on. [ cheers and applause ] >> well, that's of course former pennsylvania senator and presidential candidate rick santorum on the night of the

iowa caucuses back in 2012 santorum was declared the victor after spending months in the single digits in polling leading up to iowa. now he's back in 2016 starting at the bottom of the pack. santorum carried evangelicals by 33% in iowa in 2012, more than doubling the eventual nominee in that category, mitt romney. he did very badly in that crowd. a poll this year found republican caucus goers aren't interested in hearing candidates talk -- at least they say they aren't -- on issues important to evangelical voters, 51% of iowa republicans don't want to hear candidates sending a lot of time talking about abortion. 58% don't want to hear about them talk about religious believes personal lift and 60% don't want to hear them discuss even the issue of same-sex marria marriage. with this sentiment, can a man like santorum once again manager a come from behind victory? the former republican pennsylvania senator joins us now. rick, thank you so much and i'm going to give you a time to make the case because i respect your

believes. i don't always share them but i have to tell you, you have clear believes, there's no b.s. from you, you are a right-to-lifer all the way. it's a big part of your political commitment, if you will and yet it just seems like we're in a secular time. if a guy like donald trump with three marriages and coming out of new york city with the whole -- he doesn't claim to be some country boy, how does he get the crowd he's going to get down there in mobile, alabama, tonight? >> i don't know. how donald trump gets his crowd? here in the summer is -- i'll let the pundits figure that out. how i'm going to get crowds and win this election, i announced from a factory floor in western pennsylvania. talked about how we'll make america the number one manufacturing country in the world again, how we'll make sure wages go up not just by creating better jobs but by making sure we're not flooding labor markets which we have been in the last 20 years in this country. i think we're in sync with what voters want to talk about.

i also talk about the importance of the family and the fact that the family breakdown is causing a lot of the hollowing out of the middle of this country. i'm not alone on. that folks like robert putnam wrote a book called "our kids" saying very much the same thing. this isn't a left/right issue on a lot of these issues and i'm hopeful people will see someone talking about common sense solutions to problems and has a record of leadership in getting things done in washington, d.c. i've proven i can get things do and this that and hopefully republican voters will respond to that. >> what can you do for the little guy out there? the guy struggling? the sod buster, the guy making $20,000 a year, the guy barely able to provide for anybody at home. how do you talking to that guy when trump is saying "i'm going to punch the chinese in the nose, send the mexicans home"? how do you beat that? >> look, i talk about we're going to bring the manufacturing economy back in this country. we have 20 million people to manufacture when ronald reagan came into the office.

11 million now. we can win against china and mexico and other countries right now. if question we create a competitive environment for manufacturers to win. we can win in increasing wages if we stop flooding this country with this past year, 1.7 million legal and illegal immigrants, almost all of whom are competing for jobs. chris, in the last 25 years, wages have increased a little over a dollar. that's about a nick al year in real wage increase for american workers and i think american workers are tired of everybody giving them lip service and no one is doing anything to restore the jobs that will create that opportunity and stop bringing people into this country both legally and illegally that are competing down them holding wages. one candidate has been talking about this from day one. that's me. >> they like to see people are liberals and business people want to get cheap labor, they love the guy who just got here, the cheapest, most scared guy they can hire. he's scared of the government,

desperate for his family. >> of course, yes: >> they say they're taking jobs nobody else wants. i see a guy cutting wlaun a lawn mower sitting down on the tractor cutting a big golf course. i'm telling you, give that guy 30 bucks an hour, there would be more people out there. i don't buy this theory. dish washing, you you pay people enough money they'll take the jobs and the argue system always we can't get people to do those jobs. how come the labor unions don't say "we want to yuan unionize a won't let people work here illegally"? where a r the unions? >> here's what i know. the commerce department has 400 job classifications and only six where a majority of those people in job classifications were not born in this country. so there are some jobs that will be difficult and by the way as you can imagine they're harvesting fruits and vegetables and in the agriculture -- >> that's seasonal. >> but those are jobs that i would argue and in fact when i laid out my immigration plan yesterday at the national press club i said we can provide a

temporary guest worker program for those people here illegally working in those businesses so we don't disrupt those sectors of the economy. >> why isn't that the law? why can't somebody come up from central america in the picking season, make a good bundling of money and take it home and have the government on their side and maybe pay for social security. why don't people push common sense solutions like that if americans don't want those picking jobs? >> look, i'm in agreement with you. in fact -- >> i'm with you, i'm agreeing with you. you're not with me, i'm with you. you said it, i think it makes sense. >> i'm saying that program is operated by the department of labor, it's been basically useless. you talk to the people in agriculture, it simply doesn't work and we need to move that program to the department of agriculture so we have people in the bureaucracy that are on the side of the folks in business as opposed to the side of labor unions who don't like those jobs from central america. >> someone has to use their brains. i've always liked you even

though i disagree with you. the master of show biz. >> five and a half months to go, my different. five and a half months to go. >> okay, rick. still ahead, we'll hear from donald trump in alabama within the hour. plus on the democratic side, it's bernie sanders. is he a movement or a moment? and why big crowds are turning out for the vermont socialist. he calls himself a socialist. he's pretty old politically and look at the crowds he's getting. this is a great act, maybe a vaudeville act but what a crowd. this is "hardball," the place for politics. everyone loves the picture i posted of you. at&t reminds you it can wait. i started with pills.

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capacity of this stadium and he's supposed to be speaking in about a half hour he's supposed to take the stage. so we'll see if they get there. but even if they get only half the amount that rsvp'd, like 20,000, they said they'll be very happy. that wouldn't necessarily beat the bernie sanders turnout this month but it would be big and certainly the biggest for a republican candidate. it's interesting he came to here alabama. it's not an early voting state but it's the state where jeff sessions, the republican senator here, actually helped donald trump with his immigration policy. he helped craft it. it passed the harshest immigration law in 2008. one that made it a crime to transport an illegal immigrant in your car, give him a ride to school, work, down the street. most of that was struck down in the courts. it's not on the books any longer. the governor here, governor bentley, justice endorsed john kasich on msnbc a couple days ago. so trump, what he's hoping to do

will not necessarily respond to the governor. he'll come out here, show he can get a massive crowd. show he's so anti-establishment that the governor of this state might have endorsed someone else but look what he can do and look at all the people he can bring out. of course they want to see it more filled than this, krichrisd there are some minorities in the crowd. >> do you see any a confederate flags? any confederate battle flags in the audience? >> we have kept an eye out. i have not seen any in the crowd within the stadium. we saw one on a motorcycle from a gentleman out here pulling up. so yes, one so far. >> have you found any significant -- significant number of african-americans at the event? the 37,000? >> not a significant number. i will say this -- i have heard some -- at trump rallies i've met a lot of very lovely and great people but at various trump rallies in various places in the country i have heard some

very off color remarks about various minorities in this country and i hadn't heard those sort of things in places --in quite a while so that was off putting. but the vast majority of the people i speak with are lovely people from what i can tell. two days ago in new hampshire i asked donald trump about that pair of brothers in boston who were arrested for beating up a hispanic homeless guy and saying it was okay because donald trump wants to get rid of illegal immigrants and i asked donald trump about this. i set what do you think and he said he didn't know about it. that it was a shame but his that his supporters were "passionate" which many thought was an odd answer that he didn't necessarily denounce the beatings. instead saying his supporters are passionate as if it's an excuse for the behavior.

i don't think that's the way he intended it. i don't think he's a man advocating violence but i think he gets tripped up in the way he expresses himself sometimes. is that sort of thing resonating with the people coming out to support him? not necessarily. that might be the thing that resonates with the press more than anyone else because most people are just pecking him to say what's on his mind. they aren't holding him to any political correctness or higher standard of common courtesy. the same standards they're holding other candidates to, at least. >> you got it. i think you're a great reporter, katy tur, you have to cuts to tell it as you see it. thanks so much. donald trump will be speaking within the hour, we'll bring it to you live as that happens here on nbc. you're watchi ining "hardball," place for politics. [touch tone] introducing freeze it, from discover. it allows you to prevent new purchases on your account in seconds if your card is misplaced. not here... ♪

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>> here's what's happening. it was brutal on wall street today triggered by worries about global growth. the dow slid 530 points. the s&p sank more than 30% closing below 2,000. the nasdaq ended off a whopping 171 points. two americans traveling on a high speed train from amsterdam from paris subdue add gunman who opened fire. two people were injured including one of the americans. president obama declared a state of emergency in washington state where a fire is spreading out of control. the blazes now cover more than 252 square miles. now we take you back to "hardball." >> in the year 2015 in south

carolina, in vermont and throughout america children are going hungry. it's not acceptable that billionaires become richer when kids in this country go hungry. >> that was bernie sanders warming up, rally ago crowd in south carolina moments ago. the democratic primary race doesn't have the same fireworks we're seeing on the republican side, not right now, but front-runner hillary clinton might be set with a collision course with her closest rival bernie sanders who is holding a town hall meeting in columbia, south carolina, as we speak. a report today in the names compares sanders surging campaign to that of barack obama eight years ago. "by overtaking hillary clinton in new hampshire in some polls and drawing tens of thousands of people to his events on the west coast as well as thousands in iowa and nevada mr. sanders, 73 years old, has recaptured the enthusiasm that fueled the 2008 obama campaign with t-shirts

that say "feel the burn" and the image of a floppy white hair and glasses replacing the image of the obama "hope" poster. anyway, sure enough an image of sanders is ubiquitous as his campaign vents and has become a symbol of what sanders described as a coming political revolution. in three months he's consolidated enough support to emerge as the chief. this is what he has won. he's the chief alternative to front-runner hillary clinton. his gains are most evident in new hampshire where he leads hillary clinton by seven points according to the "boston herald"/franklin pierce university poll. 44% to 37%. that's real. we're joined by round table ron reagan in seattle, howard fineman is here, april ryan is white house correspondent for american urban radio networks and jason johnson is our newcomer, a political contributor to nbcnews.com. let me go to ron reagan. you're out there. ron. is this a moment or a movement? let's start with bernie?

is it a moment or a movement? >> it remains to be seen. right now we can declare it a moment if he does any better, if he wins some primaries then we'll start alling ate movement. it's interesting that bernie sanders and donald trump couldn't be more different in many ways. donald trump looks like he spends hours on his combover and bernie sanders looks like he's never been introduced to a comb. [ laughter ] but on one thing they're very much alike and they've both tapped into a kind of contempt, i think there is growing in the mid-ol of t middle of the country, for politics as usual and the usual candidates. whether it's the right or left, off lot of people who identify with these two candidates who are just disgusted with the usual suspects showing up and saying the usual things. >> it seems to me the interesting -- the difference in age between trump and bernie sanders is hardly anything, like three or four years. it's not just appearance but one really represents an earlier

age, the 1930s, the 1960s, the socialist tradition. fair enough. where this guy is like mr. improv. i don't know what tradition he represents, donald trump. >> that's what's exciting about both of them. donald trump seems like that kind of guy who could jump off the horse in a middle of a rally. i'm expecting him to land his helicopter or sky dive. it engages people. i was at net roots with bernie sanders. people came running in like it was a justin bieber concert. they get a lot of excitement. >> is this like the tony bennett thing? for years he's able to make a comeback work going up against lady gaga. >> people still find it exciting. but his comeback has been with lady gaga or stevie wonder, not by himself. bernie sanders is 373 years old and we're seeing the test of the trail. it's about stamina, we're hearing his voice crack already. >> bernie's? yes, bernie and he looks tired? >> whereas the other guy seems

to be juicing up. >> he is ret to go as the kids say. >> howard, who's running the store? >> which store? >> he's gotten a $11 billion business he supposedly runs and he just left. took french leave and nobody is saying "where's donald"? it's not only stylistic in the comb or lack of comb. they're coming from different places philosophically. meaning donald trump is the big business guy, descending out of the clouds of big business to make society work. >> where's bernie coming from? >> from the campus with the lust of nonnegotiable demands. [ laughter ] >> he's serving a subpoena on the country. >> he went to school with that guy. he's the political science professor. >> my favorite political science professor 101. i think trump comes from krypton. much more with the round table up next including how the trump campaign plans on winning the -- they have a plan now. you can buy one of them. this is "hardball," the police

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in wharton business school. let's talk about him. >> aren't you character out of a -- like a comic strip hero. gotham, big time developer. do you know when you first wake up, hey, i'm a comic book hero. [ laughter ] do you know that? >> is that a compliment or not? >> it's a compliment. i'm not saying you're the joker, i'm saying you're like bruce wayne. >> i just really set out to do a terrific job. i build the most beautiful buildings in the world. i get the highest prices for my buildings. i'm in other businesses but i love real estate. i truly. do i love it because it's creative. there's something you can see, there's something tangible. >> just to set the record straight to point out my consistency, that was back before he started this birther crap. i had nothing against him back then. this is when we were both innocent. ron reagan, he was a more likable guy back then.

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we're back with ron reagan and howard and april and jason awaiting trump's pep rally in mobile, alabama. trump has proved he haas staying power. now his campaign needs to formulate a strategy so he can capitalize on the huge interest in order to achieve a primary set of victories. trump lead, by the way, in the polls in the early states of iowa and new hampshire. he's scored big in those states with helicopter rides at the state fair in iowa and a raucous town meeting. anyway, tonight he turned his trump- trump-emblazoned plane in south carolina. according to "usa today"

strategists in south carolina think "his message plays well with conservatives who believe cheap foreign labor, bad trade deals with immigration legal or otherwise have cost american jobs and the so-called political establishment has failed to address these problems." trump is is starting his effort to conquer the south tonight. billionaire trump says he doesn't need to generate monetary donations like other normal presidential candidates but he does need to formulate a good contact list. for people to help him locally, to gain entry into the pep rally, trump is requiring attendees to give their e-mail addresses in their online ticket request forms. that campaign's goal for getting the message out the voters. trump would not seem to be a natural fit for southern evangelicals with his unrepenitent approach to religion. i love that phrase. unrepentant. >> i like to do the right thing where i don't have to ask for forgiveness. does that make sense? where you don't make such bad thing has that you don't have to ask for forgiveness. i try and lead a life where i

don't have to ask god for forgiveness. if i make a mistake, yeah, but i try not to make mistakes. why do i have to ask for forgiveness for forgiveness if are not making mistakes. >> why didn't we with think of that? as a new yorker he speaks the language of the pro gun rights crowd. here he is talking second amendment. >> you have for the second amendment. do you have a gun. >> yes, i do. >> do you use it. >> it's none of your business. it's really none of your business. i have a license to have a gun. >> gun control. >> what are you talking about, you asked if i have a gun. yes, i have a gun. yes, i have a permit to have a gun. >> excuse me, i love that, excuse me. are you ready for trump? i'm back at the round table. ron, howard, jason and april. let's start with you. let's talk about the bernie sanders thing. we have given so much time to

trump. isn't obama's coalition started with people who are african-american, thrilled at the first african-american president in the their lifetime and liberal whites liked him. i think he built on those foundations. bernie has a campus revolt with some pro-ly tearian support. hard lefts. >> bernie sanders is saying the things he's been saying 25 years. he's a pro labor democrat. he self identifies as a socialist. that's a new thing for american politics. it's -- he's got a lot going against him. bernie sanders will have to buck the establishment media too. the "new york times" article you cited earlier which was a big article on how he is drawing big crowds but the first word in the headline is angry, angry sanders and then went on to talk about him snarling at people and glaring at a reporter who asked him a question at an impromptu

conference at after one of these rallies. i saw the clip and hi he wasn't glaring, snarling or angry but the mainstream media will do the best to marginalize him because he makes them uncomfortable. >> do you say that somebody has their thumb on the scale at the "new york times" for hillary? >> yes, i am. >> okay, howard. [ laughter ] >> that's all right. >> can i say bernie doesn't make me uncomfortable at all. i'm saying that as someone who was one of the first, if not the first to interview him about his presidential hopes going back. i think what he's doing -- yes, he's got an edge to him but he has a ton of substantive proposals which runs counter to the way politics works today, ron. >> a lot of "new york times" readers are looking at him.

some say his straight talk fired up a broad base of voter and they haven't voted yet. in iowa tea party leader says, "some on are the fence but they are dropping for donald. the tea party doesn't want mushy middle moderates." and a woman down there said i never went to see elvis presley but i am not going to miss this guy. >> it is fantastic if it is sustain able. >> is he a roman candle. >> yeah. >> are you sure? >> i'm willing to bet on it. he can't keep this up. he's got to get -- it's one thing to talk about. >> you want to come to the cash drawer in my office. >> we can make a bet. >> when does he die? >> he's going to die in iowa. >> seven months from now. >> i wouldn't bet that. >> why? >> even though, who's going to beat him? >> i think scott walker.

i'm serious. i think he has been in iowa enough. >> what he needs to do if he will get to april's time in february he can't do it based on one lounge act he did the other day. he can't do it by getting headlines for 25,000 people. he has to get in to specifics and substantive fights. >> how many people go to the iowa caucuses roughly. >> 100,000. >> he has to buy four 25,000 trounces in one night. >> you heard what they had to say. i'm listening to old tradition. >> old tradition. hold on. we're about to hear the new gospel. here it is. >> according to april. let me say this to you. what was is not today. we are seeing something we have never seen before. donald trump knows what he is doing. he is building his campaign organization. he's building his staff.

he's watching all the candidates who have 3% or less and watching with them fall off as they don't have the money he has. money is funding him. he has 6 to $7 for their one. >> you were doing what he does. you are putting your hand in my face. >> i'm glad i'm over here. >> let me finish. >> excuse me me for living. >> i adore you, chris. >> let me say this and this is the last thing. i think donald trump is getting first timers who are expected to be first time voters because a lot of people don't get in to the where thou arts in politics. >> ron, you first, last or not last, moment or movement. >> movement. i'm going to say movement. >> anyone else think movement. >> movement. >> bernie? >> he's someone there. >> three to four votes. donald trump, moment or moment, howard? >> movement because i afree with april he's utterly different in

politics. >> his moment is done by iowa. >> movement. >> two with, three movements. your thoughts, last one, ron. moment or movement? >> think bernie is a movement. >> how about the other guy. >> donald trump, he may be a long moment, he may stick around but he's a moment. >> thank you. you may be right. it may not be just your hard talk. my guest tonight ron reagan, thank you sir from out there in seattle. howard fineman, my friend forever actually. april ryan who takes over everywhere she goes and hard ball back after this.

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that's "hardball" for now. thank you for being with us. all in with chris hayes starts right now. good evening on this friday night. i'm chris hayes. right now we are awaiting what is widely expected to be the biggest event yet of the 2016 campaign. it's a rally for the current republican front runner, a man by the name of donald j. trump you may have heard of. and it is held at 43,000 seat football stadium in alabama. people lined up in 90 degree heat to get a spot f. the crowd size fulfills trump campaign's expectations it will make up one fifth of the population of mobile. joining me live from donald trump's