my thought was, okay, i'm probably going to die anyway so let's go. >> dramatic tales of survival and heroism. hear new words on how three americans and a brit helped save the lives of passengers on a train in france during an apparent terror attack. war of words. tensions rise between north korea and south korea. could a meeting today stave off potential military conflict? >> you know, if it rains i'll take off my hat and i'll prove -- [ cheers and applause ] -- i'll prove once and for all that it's mine, okay? donald trump down south. the presidential hopeful draws his biggest crowd yet. is it all a part of a larger strategy? plus, video of an early-morning fbi raid on one home. we'll tell you how an alleged campaign finance violation may have led to this.

hello, everyone, it's high noon in the east, 9:00 in the west. welcome to "weekends with alex witt." alex is off today, i'm paige hopkins. breaking news at this hour. we're awaiting a piting a possi conference from the american heroes who stopped the attack on a french train yesterday and they're awaiting a call from president obama. a short time ago chris norman, the britt who helped subdue the shooter, spoke outside the police station. >> what else is there to do? either you sit down and you die or you get up and you die. it was really nothing more than that. if you -- we've seen enough of these kinds of attacks to understand that they will kill everybody once they get started. jieoining me is nbc news key cobiella. kelly, what are you hearing?

>> such an incredible story. we're hearing a lot in terms of these three american heroes, as they've been hailed, throughout the day and about the details of what happened on board this train. this was a packed high-speed train at the height of the tourist season traveling from amsterdam to paris yesterday when the passengers heard a gunshot and breaking glass. and that's when one of these americans turned to his friend and said "let's go." and headed straight far gunman. a gunman with an automatic weapon opens fire on a packed train. it could have been carnage but only two were injured -- thanks to three brave americans, two of them u.s. military service members. national guardsmen alex scarlottos seen here in the middle and his air force friend spencer stone moved first. >> i saw a guy entering the train request an a. k. and a handgun and i look t at spencer and said "let's go, go."

spencer got to the guy first. grabbed the buy by the neck, i got the handgun away from the guy and threw it then then i grabbed the a. k. >> the gunman, taken away in bare feet, is in french custody. police gathered bags of evidence while the french mayor handed out medals for bravery and president obama hailed their "heroic actions. " >> in the aftermath we saw that a man's throat had been slit and he was bleeding profusely and spencer who has some paramedic training just clogged up his neck so he wouldn't die because he was losing a lot of blood. >> another attack which could have had a very different ending. back at anthony's california home, relief. >> he leaves here a young man on an excursion to broaden his

world view and have fun with his buddies and comes back a -- france's national hero. still wrapping my head around that. >> a little bit of information about the possible suspect. the french interior minister said they're not ready to identify him or confirm a motive yet but that the attacker is believed to be a 26-year-old moroccan flagged by spanish authorities to slaus groups. back to spencer stone, the first man who went after the gunman yesterday. he's had a successful operation on his hand, we're told we're hoping to hear from alex skarlatos and anthony sadler. hopefully we'll hear from them after, paige? >> thank you, kelly. for more let's bring in mikey kay, a former assault helicopter pie not the british royal air

force and former advisor in the uk's minister of defense. thank you for joining us, mikey. >> afternoon, page. it would appear trains in europe and in the u.s. are soft target. they have no real security. should that be changed? it's a problem, really of the access and the migration patterns across europe. the first thing i would like to say without the courage and bravery of the gentlemen who look jumped in, we'd be looking at a catastrophe of the size of if not greater than what happened on the tunisia beach massacre because this was a train where there was nowhere to go. i think the event would have come to the conclusion when the assailant ran out of bullets and ammunition. you saw the cartridges lying on the pavement. this could be a serious catastrophe because people have nowhere to flee in a situation like that the migration patterns have been a serious pattern, not just trainings but the migration of people across europe.

we know floods of foreign fighters have been coming into syria from all over urine. france's muslim population is at 4.8 million, that's 57.% of the population, one of the highest in europe, therefore there are more affected people on the radical islam side in france and the opportunity for them to travel to syria, either across europe or down through libya, it's easy to get through customs but it's not just the trafficking of people, paige, it's the trafficking of weapons on the black market when you have countries like libya that self-implode because of potential western intervention, you don't just get power vacuums, you get a flood of weapons on to the black market and you have these migration patterns coming out of libya, for example, of weapons going into north africa, a. q. in maghreb and in france as well. so there's no one silver bullet to this. improving security on train, yeah, it might help a bit but we have to get to the root cause of the problem which is broader

than that. >> and not all members of the military are skilled in hand-to-hand combat. most aren't on the front lines and here they were facing an armed attacker in close quarter s we were fortunate these men were skilled. what if they hadn't been? >> look, there aren't many people in the services, if i'm honest, that are trained in unarmed combat and to deal with situations like this. so it depends on how fit the person is, the experience of the person. not everyone in the military is an infantry. if you here in the air force you may not be qualified in hand-to-hand combat. so it was about the courage and bravery and i think chris, the brit who was interviewed in kelly's piece, hit the nail on the head. you can either sit down and die or stand up and die. when people flash back to 9/11 and what you would have done had

you known that an attacker was going to fly an aircraft into the twin towers you may have done something different. that should be the mind-set of what we're looking for in this new world order. i wouldn't advocate everyone takes these actions. these gentlemen did something that was brave that could have had different outcomes but it didn't. there were enough of them and they overwhelmed them. >> michael, before i let you go, this is the third significant attack this year, are you surprised france is such a target? >> well, it goes back to -- you know, there are 4.8 million islams s muslims in france. we know there is a poison coming out of syria, a poison coming out of the islamic state. we know it affects potential muslims who become radicalized. we know that there is a huge problem here in terms of recruitment and we're trying to understand how we address this problem outside of foreign policy, outside of military intervention, outside of bombs,

bullets and mortars. how do we prevent recruit memen how do we get muslims to stand up against what's going on? so i think it's wholistic. i think it takes a number of different components of which this is just a small component. >> michael kay, thank you very much. later, more on what the attack in france means for the safety of the railways in the united states. i'll speak with the ranking member of the intelligence committee, congressman adam schiff about this in just a few moments. to politics and who else, donald trump? trump spoke before a crowd of about the 20,000 supporters in mobile. he skewered his rivals from both sides of the aisle. in hillary's case, she's got 60. i don't know that she's going to make it to the gate. what do you think? i'm not sure she's making it to the gate. i'm a non-politician.

the other day i served jury duty. i told you, they haddock patient. i refuse to put down politician. florida, we have a governor and we have a sitting senator and i'm killing them. [ applause ] obviously they're not doing a very good job. because that shouldn't be happening. i am going to be the greatest jobs president god ever created. i will tell you that. i will tell you. >> if he may say so himself. joining me for much more on the 2016 race is steve kornacki host of msnbc's "up." what is trump's sustainability? >> well, i have to say, i mean, i think it's something people who follow politics closely are reassessing as we speak. the assumption when you go back to june when he got in the race was well this is something that will last a few weeks. he'll say one thing and it will be over. well, he's said several things all over the summer, he's in better position now than he was when this started and he's tapping into some -- he's tapping into a sense of anxiety

and frustration that exists within the republican party but a lot of it more broad than that and he's tapping into it. and the question now is if none of the stuff that's come out already could bring him down, what would? i'm not sure we have an answer. >> he's at 25%. what about that other 75% of republican voters? can he get them? >> i think it's not necessarily as hard as people think look beyond donald trump. donald trump is in 25%. who's in second place? ben carson, the ultimate outsider, not a politician, the sort of thing you're hearing from donald trump right there. ted cruz double digits. ted cruz rails against the system, wants to destroy the. is. carly fiorina, she's coming up in the polls now. if trump could get fiorina, carson and cruz numbers, you could have a nominee there. >> this is the thing that's so appealing about him. even if you find things he says repugnant we watched him as this

big developer, he's been a tv star, atlantic city, he was one of the only people left standing in atlantic city. so americans know him. he's like a cultural folk hero almost. >> he's a character in our lives. exactly. >> we know him. >> i think that has -- probably accounts for durability here. when you think of the comparison drawn a few weeks ago when he started surging people said, well, yeah, but herman cain surged? >> we didn't know herman cain the way we knew donald trump. >> the minute herman cain found himself facing scrutiny he didn't stand up. donald trump because people know him it might have brought him the benefit of the doubt. >> is this one of the most unusual candidacies we've ever seen? >> the most unusual i've ever seen. >> so we don't know what will happen? we. >> we don't. does this thing get more serious? in the next few weeks, next few monos the the thing that's missing so far, trump called up on the stage with him jeff sessions the senator from alabama. didn't endorse him but said nice things about him.

does trump start getting actual endorsements from republican elected officials? that's the thing that the skeptics say he'll never get. if he starts getting those all bets are off. >> part of his aspiel that he's a populist. >> right. >> not an insider. >> but you need some party support. you can't win the nomination without some party support. does some of the party bend toward trump. >> i want to ask you about carly fiorina. in the upcoming debate she'll be early on not with the big adults at the table. what doe we make of her campaign so far? >> she was at the so-called kids' table. was the star of that debate. in a lot of ways she was a bigger star than people on the main stage debate. her numbers have started to move up. the problem is this -- the next debate coming up in september. it will be on cnn. they're using polls to put ten people on the stage as well. their criteria is different. the polls they're use go back to the beginning of june. in june, carly fiorina was at 0% in basically every poll. so it's not until august that

her numbers start moving up but the polls used to compute this thing go back to june. for her to make that top ten now, even though if you take a poll right now she's probably in the top ten, the average of all polls that will be used for this next debate she's unlikely to make that there shall hold so it looks like once again she's likely to be relegated to the quote/unquote kids table. >> yet would the gop establishment want her on the stage? she's a woman. she's had this very robust -- >> at this point they want her up there at this point, yes. >> i have to ask about joe biden. what do you think? >> i don't see it happening. he's clearly looking at it from the angle of if hillary clinton implodes. we say what does it look like if hillary clinton implodes? it has to look worse than it looks wright now because right now if you take a poll and put hillary clinton against any of these republican candidates nationally she's beating them. she has to start losing to them for democrats to start to panic >> steve kornacki, thank you so much. great talking to you. you can watch steve on "up" every saturday and sunday at

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today it had two american service members in college student who stopped a potentially devastating shooting attack in france are getting accolades from the highest fl e levels in the u.s. president obama is expected to call them. secretary kerry tweeted "incredibly proud of three american heroes" and general phillip breed love, supreme allied commander of nato forces in europe issued a statement saying "these men are heroes. actions like this illustrate the courage and commitment our young men and women have all the time, whether they're on duty or on leave." joining me now is democratic congressman adam schiff, ranking member of the intelligence

committee. thank you for joining us, congressman. >> you bet. >> what is your reaction to how these three young americans reacted? >> i'm enormously proud. i think all americans are. it was really an extraordinary act of courage and we can thank god they were there on that train or the casualties would have been far worse. so quite remarkable and a source of tremendous pride for all americans. >> are you pointing to a motive or terrorist ties? >> we're trying to confirm the identity of this person, whether they were in fact under the scrutiny already only f some of european intelligence agencies, whether this person may have traveled to syria. all there this will ever informs to whether this person was radicalized at home or got military training and was sent back to kill people. the information is preliminary. there's no security on u.s. trains including amtrak, that

washington/new york run. i see your colleagues from capitol hill on that, i'm on. that should security be heightened on the trains? >> we have looked at security on our trains and we have increased security. we'll look at it in the wake of what happened. the reality is we can't harden every target. if you harden train, people will potentially attack in buses or restaurants. we've already seen domestic attacks in movie theaters so the reality is there are limits to what they can do in terms of trying to harden every target. it's probably more important for us frankly to work on dealing with this problem of homegrown radicalism, of expanding our contacts between law enforcement, community members to identify those at risk of radicalization as well as making sure that we have systems up to date working well in screening passengers coming from europe, those that might have been exposed to military training in places like syria or iraq. all right. i want to turn you, of course, to the iran deal.

yesterday congressman gerald nadler announced his endorsement two days after president obama sent him a letter. senator mccaskill has also signed on. will president obama get the necessary votes, congressman? >> i believe that he will and there was a powerful op-ed by brent scowcroft in the "washington post" today. you're seeing a lot of outside validation of the agreement. look, the agreement everybody acknowledges is not perfect by any means when you negotiate with an implacable foe like iran. you're going to have to give as well as take. but it cuts off these pathways of iran to get the bomb. it's the most significant part of the pact and it's an accomplishment that we shouldn't shrink away from as we try to contain iran and its conventional and nefarious work in the region. so i think this support is building for the agreement. but there's still a lot of members on the fence. >> in his op-ed on the iran deal this week, president obama wrote

"as commander-in-chief, i have not hesitated to use force when necessary. if iran does not abide by this deal it's possible we won't have any other choice than the act militarily." there it is in writing. military action on the table. could this come back to bite the president? >> no, i don't think so at all. it's always been on the table and it will always be on the table. if iran at the end of 15 years has enrichment capability goes and enriches eurouranium, we'llp them. we will have to use force to stop them. if iran were to acquire the bomb it would set off a nuclear arms race in the middle east, they could threaten and extort and use it to wipe israel off the map. so we will just not allow that to come to pass and i think the president is right to make that quite explicit. >> i wanted to talk to you about hillary clinton. are you confident that you know

what the facts are on the e-mail controversy. and are you fully confident that no classified information was at risk? >> well, we do know the facts in terms of the e-mails and we certainly know the facts about benghazi after more than eight investigations so there's not much now we're going to learn from the events that have tragic night. with respect to e-mail, we have a tussle here between the state department and elements of the intelligence community over whether certain e-mails should have been classified at the time. but the fact is undisputed they were not marked as classified when they were sent to the secretary. hard to lay the responsibility at the secretary's feet for the receipt of e-mails that were not marked classified. nonetheless, the gop views this as their sole line of attack on the secretary. they're using the vehicle of the select committee as a kuj jell

against her and i feel bad for the representations need the families of the victims of benghazi at the beginning of the investigation that would be about finding out the fact in benghazi because after more than a year, $16 months and four million we know nothing new about benghazi than we didn't know already and whether e-mails were sent to is secretary sheds no light on the events in benghazi. >> her campaign has been hijack bid all of this talk. should the democratic party start taking maybe a more serious look at the other candidates and possibly vice president joe biden who's very well like? >> i don't think this e-mail business in any way diminishes secretary clinton's candidacy. she's a very strong candidate and i think she'll make a superb president and once we get past this when you have actually a comparison between candidates the secretary will hold up

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welcome back to "weekends with alex witt." i'm page hopkins, alex is off. developi ining now, new cal for calm. officials for north korea and south korea met in the demilitarized zone to discuss the volatile situation there. north korea ordered troops to be battle ready after demanding south korea and its loudspeaker propaganda broadcast along the border. a deadline set for north korea for the broadcast to stop has passed. nbc's ian will jums neiams is n demilitarized zone in south korea. where do things stand now? >> hi, page. the deadline came and went without military clashes. instead, two koreas agreed to talk. top officials from north and south meeting at a village two

miles up the road behind me at the end of a tense day along this border. as the deadline approached and kim jong-un's ultimatum loomed, authorities ordered evacuation of villages along the boarder to shelters like this deep underground and behind bomb-proof doors. most people along this boarder are used to the blood curdling rhetoric from across the border. but the exchange of fire this week, the most serious crisis in years, has made people more nervous than usual. as an extra precaution, even public observatories have been closed. this one is normally busy at the weekend. it affords a bird's eye view into the north -- or at least it usually does. with so much extra security in place today, this is about as close as we're going to get to north korea. over there in the distant hills beyond the han river where kim jong-un has his army in what he calls a quasi-state of war,

threatening military action to take out 11 sets of loud speakers which have been broadcasting propaganda from the south. that includes information about life in the south, weather forecasts, even, soap operas, even pop music. pretty innocuous stuff, you'd think, but not if you're a paranoid regime, insular like north korea. the talks have raised hope this is crisis can be diffused but in the meantime the militaries on both sides of the world's most fortified border remain on high alert. page? >> nbc's ian williams in south korea. thank you. presidential candidates are again flocking to the iowa state fair this weekend looking for support. new jersey governor chris christie is giving the soap box speech there today. he'll tour the state fairgrounds later this afternoon and yesterday senator ted cruz was at the fair where he was confronted by actress ellen paige on same-sex marriage. >> what about the question about lgbt people that you hire for

strictly being gay and trans? >> well, what we're seeing now is actually bible-believing christians being persecuted. >> people are discriminating against lgbt people. >> no. >> people use that argument in the segregation era. >> i'm happy to answer your question but not to have a back and forth debate. >> nbc's vaughan hilliard is in des moines for us. vaughan, you were there for the conversation. what was your impression? >> we thought donald trump, hillary clinton, bernie sanders gave us quite a weekend last week and scott walker here this week. but these guys, ted cruz, ellen page, the exchange after he was eating his pork chop when the exchange took place and this is ted cruz embracing his religious liberty platform. legislation, governor mike pence of indiana signed earlier this spring, the state amended it and this is ted cruz. he's going for the evangelical vote and in this state, he had a

rally last night called the rally for religious libber any des moines and this was the crux of in the the six-minute exchange which was the root of it ted cruz said if it came down to a gay individual that owns a flower shop and an evangelical couple comes in and says, hey, we want to have flowers from you he should have the right to say no based on his religious believes. but same on the contrary ellen page goes, well, if two gay couples want to get flowers from an evangelical couple they should have to give them the flowers. so really what we saw yesterday was ted cruz embracing this exchange. it wasn't heated by any means but it was very confrontational and very much the two of them saying that. >> and governor christie, bobby jindal, rick santorum among the candidate there is today. do you get any sense this might be a last-ditch effort for some of these gop candidates? >> well, chris christie just

walked on the stage totally new jersey style here. he finished his full 20 minute allotment but it did consist of immigration protesters who were there last night with ted cruz, came back today and two other protesters that jumped on stage, chris christie said, hey, it feels like being home in new jersey. but these guys, rick santorum, chris christie, they're here everyday and this is them playing the long game. they're pulling full, going the 99 counties, giving it their best shot this is them and there's no incentive for them to leave. rick santorum was polling just 3% in 2012 in those final weeks so there's no incentive. they don't see those guys dropping out any time soon. >> vaughan hilliard, thank you so much. for more now, let me bring in former vermont governor howard dean and former chairman of the dnc and republican strategist susan del percio. susan, what is the staying power of these far-right positions on social issues by republican candidates like we just saw ted cruz when it comes to the general election? >> well, it's just reported they

have -- they have a few more months if they want it. they have the staying power to keep going to iowa and new hampshire, it's relatively cheap. but once some of the more high roe pro-file candidates like rick perry is running out of money then the message ends. so i think you'll see a santorum and cruz but not much change in their numbers. >> governor, donald trump doesn't project the same appeal on social issues to the base voters but look at some of his performances this week. >> you know how tall the wall is? it's like that. it's not a wall, it's a fence. i'm talking about a wall. see that ceiling up there? higher. you do a beautiful nice precast plank with beautiful everything, just perfect. i want it to be so beautiful. because maybe someday they'll call it the trump wall. maybe. [ cheers and applause ] so i have to make sure it's beautiful, right? i'll be very proud of that wall. if they call it the trump wall, it has to be beautiful.

maybe one more question. two more. go ahead, one question, you look so nice. okay, i'm going to have to go. all right, one from you but it's always a negative question. go ahead. give you -- can you ask a positive question? i love that question. what a good guy. who are you? this is a great guy. why can't you ask me a question like that. >> i love watching him. i won't ask you to give us your take on his appeal, governor, but can he move beyond the 25% or that a ceiling? >> i don't know but if that ceiling is good enough to be a whole bunch of primaries and caucuses in a 17-person race. i agree there won't be 17 people getting to the starting line in january but so far he is the legitimate front-runner in the republican race, he's providing a lot of excitement. he's doing enormous damage to republicans. when you start getting jeb bush to talk about anchor babies, you're beginning to write off the entire hispanic population and that's what they deal for the second election psych until

a row it looks like to me. >> when the field narrows, where do the rest of these people go? >> it doesn't matter. the damage they're doing now. this is what happened last time around when mitt romney looked in the camera and said "i will veto the dream act if it gets to my desk." that was long before we got to iowa. if you look at the polling among hispanics, it's appalling, absolutely appalling for republicans and the only one i thought could pull it back would be jeb for legitimate reasons. his personal life is very much clear he's not anti-hispanic or anti-immigrant. but he's now starting to get dragged into this rhetoric. they could lose this thing before they even have the first vote in iowa. >> well, i don't think you'll see jeb bush go so right on immigration. his policy is clear and i do agree with the governor, for the republican party go so anti-hispanic a big, big mistake. winning elections is about adding voters, not subtracting and we are starting to alienate some of them with the policies we're hearing. >> i want to ask you both,

quinnipiac poll shows trump beating hillary clinton in florida and within five points in two other swing states. so where is the establishment gop in the stages of grief on this? i mean, are republicans close to acceptance that donald trump could be the nominee? susan? >> well, if there are other candidates of the 16245 want to win, they better step fact that donald trump is in this race. and he will be for several more months at a minimum and they have to readjust their strategy. with and with that you'll see a change in jeb bush who's afraid of losing -- jeb bush isn't losing his voters to trump, he's losing them other candidates because they're not excited about jeb bush. that's why you saw pushback earlier this week. >> i think that's probably true, although i do think there was an oversampling of republicans in that particular poll because it doesn't jive with any of the other polls we see this which shows hillary has a reasonable lead over every republican. but, look, these polls are much too early to mean much. the only one that means a lot, i

think is in florida trump beating bush and rubio. that is shocking because rubio and bush are very known commodities in florida. >> well, governor, i would argue that -- >> so something's going on there. >> just like there's something going on with bernie sanders beating hillary clinton. >> right. >> there is certainly other polls that reflect certain interesting things that we have to pay attention to today. >> and governor, i want to -- >> i agree with that. i agree. >> speaking of hillary clinton, several democrats are telling nbc news they're getting jittery about hillary clinton's campaign and the campaign put out that video to try and squash the e-mail stories. so governor you're a clinton supporter, what are you thinking today that you weren't thinking last week at this time? >> i'm not worried at all. there's no substance to the e-mail story at all. it's a concoction of right wing pushing the stuff and the media being intellectually lazy. the facts are there was no classified material that was labelled as such when it went through her servers. former secretaries of state, including colin powell, have had independent e-mails and no

policy or law was broken. that will come to the fore when the media decides to do something else. >> hold on one second, though. because it was a federal judge who just said this week that if the employee -- meaning hillary clinton -- would have followed government procedures we wouldn't be in that mess. and it wasn't a republican -- >> that, in fact, is not true. the judge made a mistake. that's not true. >> well, that's how the judge ruled. you can't argue that he ruled. you may disagree -- >> he didn't anything. there was no ruling. he made a remark and the remark was not true. >> well, you disagree the mark but this is a remark made by a federal judge who was appointed by bill clinton. this is not a right wing conspiracy anymore. this is a matter of -- >> this is a remark that was inaccurate. >> excuse me, but doj is investigating. fbi is investigating. >> that's a good thing. >> >> this is a serious thing for hillary clinton. >> they're not investigating hillary clinton, though. they are not investigating hillary clinton. >> they're addressing what happened with her and her server. >> no, they're addressing whether any classified e-mails were released. that's a proper investigation. and it's clear that there were

no classified e-mails that passed through her server that were labelled as such at the time. >> governor, the fact is every month we'll have an e-mail drop. that is not ordered by the republicans, it's ordered by a judge and every month there will be a drip, drip, drip on hillary clinton. there's reason why people are getting concerned about it. her poll numbers are showing it. it may turn out to be nothing but right now this is a serious problem for hillary clinton. >> and speaking of poll numbers, governor, a new poll this week shows 53% of democrats want joe biden to run. so is it your sense that he's waiting to see how this e-mail controversy pans out? this is certainly -- this has certainly hijacked her campaign recently. >> i have no idea what joe is thinking. he's a reasonable, decent human being and he's been a great vice president. whether he gets in or not is up to him. i'm for hillary, i think she's the best qualified person in america to be president of the united states and i think she should be president of the united states and i think she will be president of the united states. >> you said it's too late for joe biden, do you still believe that?

>> it will be very tough to come in against two candidates who are both leading him in the polls right now when he has 100% name recognition. i think it's very tough. >> governor dean, susan del percio, thank you for a spirited conversation. >> thank you. >> and the best new back-to-school gadgets. we'll show them to you next. ♪ they lived. ♪ they lived. ♪ they lived. ♪

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bones cell phone that the kid can wear. it only does a few specific things. it can make and receive calls from pre-set numbers, it can get messages so a parent can say i'm going to be a half hour late. it has a gps so you can tell where your kid is or if they've gone too far from school and it has a panic button that records stuff that automatically calls emergency contacts in case they're in trouble or anything like that. so it's a bare-bones thing that only has the parts you need. >> sounds good, though. the next gadget is called maky maky? how does that work? >> it's a weird but cool little thing that probably any classroom should have. it's basically one part goes in a laptop, then there's wires that come out and you attach them to stuff and you can fell they're being touched and it makes everything sort of -- makes it so the computer can tell where it's being touched so you can make a piano out of bananas or you can have a camera that fires when a cat takes a drink of milk or something like that. it's cool. there's a million things you can do and kids are super inventive

with this kind of sufficient to having a couple of these in the classroom, there's so many projects you can do with them and they're found do at home, too. >> sounds fun. i'd try that. we used to say do you want a pencil or pen? now we have a smart pen, the company live scribe has a series of those. the latest being the echo smart pen. what's different about this one? >> the previous ones basically record everything that you write down that you can access later on your smart phone or tablet. this also records everything that's happening in the audio so if you're listening to a lecture or in college or something taking notes in a -- in your discussion section or something like, that you record the whole thing and when you write stuff down it actually link what is you write down to the audio so you can just write down the t.a. is talking about molecules now and later on you can tap on "molecules" and it will play back the part of the lecture you want to listen to. it's a really great way to enhance your note taking. >> sounds great.

especially for college students. devon, thank you so much. >> thank you. video of an early morning fbi raid on one home. we'll tell you how an alleged campaign finance violation may have led to this.

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stunning video involving an early morning fbi raid. a family in northern virginia woke up to federal agents banging on their front door. guns were drown, the family forced outside, one in her underwear. anthony terrell is here with more. what can you tell us? >> hi, page. this was all for an arrest warrant related to campaign finance violations. the man at the center of the storm is dimitri kaseri. he worked for ron paul's campaign and he was charged for paying an iowa state senator for an endorsement and covering it up. >> come on down, put your hands on top of your head. >> i woke up to the sound of mini and then the officer man

was screaming dimitri caseri, come out. i grabbed my phone, started to videotape what's happening. >> mr. kaseri, come down. >> they were screaming "dimitri caseri, come out." >> kind of weird. i'm not used to that. is your dad home? is your dad home? >> no one can wake up and answer questions at 6:30 in the morning. >> i wake up, i'm still in bed, confused at what's going on. she was like sofia, come down stairs, i don't have clothes on, i had my underwear and a shirt that covers my upper body like what's going on. so we go to the side of the house -- >> stand there on the wall. >> okay, hands off of me. >> and i'm asking for pants. >> can she get pants? >> i'm uncomfortable. >> just -- >> can i look in my car for pants first? >> you can stand. >> can you come with me -- >> just stand there right now. >> i was standing around here so

everything showing. >> i'm still naked, like, i still feel really uncomfortable. like i don't appreciate, like what they're doing. >> and they asked me where's the bedroom and i said on the left here so be careful because my son is sleeping there. they are sleeping, don't be that scared. >> he was walking like this, pointing the gun towards me, his finger was on the trigger. i didn't know what to. >> he's not here, he's in iowa. they keep asking, oh, you know, if you're trying to hide him you are going to be charged and i said well, you came to my house, you should have known when he is. you're fbi. i'm not fbi. >> it was freezing. it's 6:00 in the morning. it's like wet and it's really cold and i don't have shoes on. i don't have pants. i barely have a shirt on. i'm, like, freezing cold. they won't let me -- put clothes on. >> so i can't get pants from my car? >> no. just sit still. we'll be done here in just a moment. >> reporter: tell me about the rest of your day. how did the rest of that tuesday

go? >> it was like for me terrible. i cannot even -- i'm still -- i cannot even sleep at night. >> people came, they were asking us questions about stuff. >> i can't believe this just happened. >> when we say he's not home i don't know what you're looking for now. >> they should send, like five people over to, like, talk about it not, like search everything, you know? >> everybody keep asking what's going on and it was like what can i say? >> we're just trying to find your dad. >> i know but if i say the wrong thing then, like -- >> has dimitri explained to you what kind of charge he is may be facing? >> well, i just read about the charges, some of the charges. >> i don't know what is happening, what's going to happen. >> we're all traumatized. i don't deal with politics, i hate politics, i never dealt with politics in my life. >> i'm worried for, like what's going to happen next. >> do you think he did. >> it i don't think so. it's not true. to me it's not true. i mean, i think my husband is innocent and, you know, it's not

true. >> the fbi has responded to the situation with dimitri kesari's family. and they told msnbc "when effecting an arrest it is our responsibility to ensure everyone's safety and security which can require citizens to exit the residence briefly while conducting a search. everyone effort is made to provide comfort and relief as soon as possible." he's facing five counts and is facing a maximum of 55 years in prison if found guilty. the case is scheduled for trial in early october. page? >> anthony terrell, thanks for that report. hear more from the three americans who helped subdue a gunman opening fire on a train. and the painted women of times square are under fire. why so many people are upset. but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. i earn unlimited 2% cash back on everything i buy for my studio. ♪

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my first reaction was to sit down and hide and then i heard one guy, american, say "go let

him" and i heard another american say "don't you do that, buddy." >> the american lifesavers. without them we would all be dead. so says a passenger on that french train that came under attack by a lone gunman. as the world salutes the heroism, investigators are learning more about the attacker and what motivated him. >> i am going to be the greatest jobs president that god ever created. [ cheers and applause ] i will tell you that. i will tell you. >> southern comfort. donald trump in the deep south. how did he try to charm the largest gathering of the campaign. and time out? new york city leaders come to grips on women going topless in times square. good day and welcome to week ends with alex witt, i'm page hopkins in for alex. here's what's happening. breaking news at this hour. the three americans who took

down the alleged shooter in the french train attack yesterday are awaiting a phone call from president obama believed to come any minute now. joining me from london with the latest is nbc news kelly cobiella. kelly, these young heroes are receiving accolades from around the world today. what is next for them? >> they are. they're hearing from president obama shortly, we believe. they heard from president ho hollande as well. and the three are headed to paris tonight. they'll be reunited there ahead of a meeting with the french president. airman first class spencer stone, national guardsmen alek skarlatos and anthony sadler were traveling in europe together. they're childhood friends and they heard gunshots on board this train from amsterdam to paris last night then saw a gunman with an ak-47. skarlatos, who's done a tour in afghanistan, turned to airman stone and said "let's go." the two took down the gunman with the help of friend anthony

sadler and then a british businessman helped tie him up. >> what else is there to do? either you sit down and you die or you get up and you die. it was nothing more than that. we've seen enough of these kinds of attacks to understand that they will kill everybody once they get started. >> all of them being hailed as heroes. one man was shot in the neck. he's expected to survive. airman stone had surgery on his hand. he's going to be released from the hospital at some point tonight. as for the suspect, the french interior minister said this morning they're not ready to confirm an identity or talk about motive. he did say the attacker was armed with an automatic rifle, nine magazines, a handgun and a knife, was only able to fire the handgun. he's now in police custody and,

page, he's believed to be a 26-year-old moroccan who's been flagged before for involvement in islamist groups. but still waiting to hear more about a possible motive on this. >> kelly, thank you so much. joining me for more on the attacks and incredible display of bravery from these young americans is medal of honor recipient and retired colonel jack jacobs and msnbc military analyst. thank you for joining us, colonel. >> you bet. >> should anyone be surprised an airman and national guardsman reacted like this? >> i think you should be surprised that anybody acts like this but i'm less surprised they were people in uniform who have served. everybody in the military gets training in hand-to-hand combat but this is a completely different exercise. most of the time you get training like that to instill confidence. this is the result of people deciding that there was something that had to be done. if something wasn't done there was great danger. it's very gratifying to see this

kind of reaction among these people. >> and we heard chris norman, the british man, say "either you sit down and die or get up and die." talk about what goes through your head when you're facing what looks like imminent death. this guy was armed to the gills, something you know i guess all too much about. >> it's kind of interesting, first of all, that he got on the train with all those weapons and ammunition. all that notwithstanding, i think your initial reaction to a circumstance like this is that it's not happening and then you realize it's happening and you come to the conclusion that somebody has to do something and you're the person to do it because nobody else can or nobody else will. and the notion that you might or even are liable to die comes into and goes right out of your brain because you know you have to do something. >> so are most members of the military trained in these skills that would allow them to disarm an attacker like this? he was in the bathroom, they

waited for him. >> no, only peripherally. most of the time you get this training to instill confidence, but it's not like you'll get a black belt in judo or anything like this. what this did demonstrate is the character of the people who were involved. >> that is for sure. i want to ask you about the broader security implications. in fact, in the last hour, congressman adam schiff, he said we can't harden all of the soft targets. trains -- even the trains going from new york to washington, i always see members of congress on that train ride. what can we do. >> well, we can be vigilant. the intelligence services have to do a better job of perceiving who is a threat, who might be a threat and that butts right up against our concerns about first amendment and fourth amendment freedoms. it's a political question that must be resolved and the congress needs to get serious about resolving it. but blocking training off like

we do airplanes, that's a problem and it's severely would restrict a movement. i guess you could make the argument we need to do the same thing about highways. only vigilance, good intelligence and an alert public will make the difference here and that's what you saw in this particular instance. >> we sure did. thank you so much colonel jack jacobs. >> you bet. to politics now and donald trump's southern strategy. he apparently had his audience in the palm of his hands as soon as he walked on stage last night in mobile, alabama. about 20,000 supporters hung on trump's every word as he lambasted his competition and touted his non-politician persona. >> in hillary's case, she's got 60. now, i don't know that she's going to make it to the gate. what do you think? i don't know. i'm not sure that she's making it to the gate. i'm a non-politician. the other day i served jury duty, right? i told you, they had

"occupation" i refused to put down politician. i am going to be the greatest jobs president that god ever created. i will tell you that. i will tell you. >> now to south carolina where democratic candidate bernie sanders is trying to lure voters to his camp today. it's the last of sanders two-day swing through your state. the candidate stuck to his populist message. >> that's the story of modern politics. you collect money from millionaires and billionaires. why do you think they make those contributions? because they're nice guys? they want something. we have raised money from 400,000 americans and you know what the average contribution is? $31 2307b $31.20. how's that? >> alex jaffee is in sumpter. how was he receive tlds? >> there were 2700 people at his event. they stated for over an hour to

her him speak despite if fact the venue didn't have air conditioning and there were about 200 people outside watching. i think that there's so much enthusiasm for him. they were young people, they were old people it was a diverse crowd. he draws that implicit with donald trump, with the hillary clinton who most folks here in south korea refer to as more establishment politicians. >> last night he had 2700. how are the crowds today? >> a little bit smaller. granted it is saturday morning but there were about 1,800 people in a gymnasium that you can see behind me. they were also very enthusiastic. you can see behind me they're snapping up those feel the bern shirts. so despite south carolina being a deep red state he's gotten a warm welcome in the south. >> alex jafee in sumter, south carolina. thank you. wildfires are growing in

size. nearly 30,000 firefighters are battling as much as 100 large fires burning in several states. so far more than several million acres have been scorched. nbc's leanne gregg is in washington where thousands remain under evacuation orders. leanne? >> page, many of those people this morning wondering if they have a home to return to. in the last 48 hours, officials say they know homes have burned. at this point they don't know how many. however today there is confidence about making progress. those strong winds from the last three days have diminished trchlt's going to be an influx of resources and 80 military firefighters and their crews are coming. today firefighters will be doing a direct attack on the eastern edge of this fire. now that the winds have died they can get closer to the flames. from the air they'll do precision bucket drops by helicopters rather than dropping retardant. and they're building large containment lines.

18 large fires are burning in the state of washington. you can see on this map they're everywhere. 100 fires are burning. extremely dry conditions mean those fires will likely continue for weeks. that's causing air quality problems right here, right now, the worst air in the country. it hasn't been this bad since 1980 when mt. st. helen's erupted. that's the latest, back to you page. >> leanne gregg, thank you so much. in a moment we'll turn our attention back to the presidential race with the nagging question how long can donald trump last? does he really have staying power? we'll be right back. why should ovebecause it tells t progress: that whether times are good or bad, innovators with great ideas will continue to drive the world forward. as log as they have someone to believe in them.

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through the deep south last night. some 20,000 people came out the to rally for the presidential candidate in alabama. it was the biggest gop rally of the 2016 cycle as trump continues to defy expectations. >> we're leading in florida. and we're leading big in florida and it's amazing. i said florida, i love florida, it's a great place. but florida we have a governor and we have a sitting senator and i'm killing them. obviously they're not doing a very good job because that shouldn't be happening. if this were another country we could maybe call for an expedited election. right? i would love that. can we do that? i'd like to have the election tomorrow. i don't want to wait. >> imagine that. this morning the candidate is taking a break if the trail but political analysts who expected

trump to be a fleeting phenomenon -- and there were many -- are now being forced to reconsider just how long can he last. with me is olivia newtsy of the daily beast and journalist erin mcpike. olivia, given what we've seen over the past few months, how is donald trump's rise different from, say, herman cain in 2012 or rudy giuliani in 2008? >> i think the difference is that trump really is sucking up all the oxygen in the room. michele bachmann, herman cain, newt gingrich, those were fleeting and i think that's what analysts expected from trump but it's not turning out that way. nothing he does has a negative impact on his poll numbers. he seems like there's no end in sight for him. >> erin, is this the kind of historical -- is this kind of context fair when it comes to politics or is every election unique. >> well, you have to take some lessons for past campaigns, but every election is different and

the state of the country is different, demographics are different but for the other thing i would point out, about this trump boomlet is that many of the things the media is saying, wow, trump is not doing well or these outrageous comments are things that would normally turn voters off, many voters cite those comments as reasons why they like his style. they like what he's done in the past. i don't think his support is going anywhere any time soon. i think he'll remain the front-runner at least until the next republican debate but he keeps saying he's not going anywhere and that seems to be the case. voters like him, they're going to like what he says in future debates. >> he definitely has this authentic appeal to people. mike murphy, the guy running the super pac supporting jeb bush tweeted this coat. >> i'm waiting for breathless trump is so real media pundits to predict the specific primary states/delegates he will win. what do you say to that? >> i think jeb's campaign and

other campaigns are hoping this isn't real. despite the poll numbers, not that many republican voters would throw their weight behind him and give him their vote. but i talked to trump's donors, i called them after his financial disclosure came out and they love him because he's not a politician. he's never run for office before unlike most of the other candidates and he says, as we were saying before, he says politically incorrect things that the media scoffs at or gasps at but that people like. i think the public is less politically correct than the media. >> definitely. erin, trump has 25%. as the field narrows, was the that 75% go? might trump get a big influx? >> well, here's the thing. the field may not narrow at all. no candidate seems to be dropping out any time soon and they have super pacs that can keep their candidacies essentially funded through the first few primaries and maybe till the end of the primaries.

it seems his support is pretty much fixed at 25% but nobody else is getting anything more than that. i would say other republican presidential campaigns are looking for his support to decrease because they think it will come down. i don't know that that's true but here's the other thing. the republican campaigns i do think are beginning to take him seriously. we're hearing jeb bush starting to attack him. scott walker is tarting to as well and the advertising is just beginning. many of these super pacs are going to have attack ads against donald trump and that is when we could start to see his support deflate some when they try to tie him to some of his past democratic positions. >> right. instead of just ignoring him which clearly hasn't been working in their favor. olivia, there's a saying in presidential politics that summer is for dating, fall is for mating. is that going to be true this time around or will we see voters going on a speed dating exercise all through this year and into next? >> i think we'll see that happen again. rand paul was the front-runner

for a while, now he's polling poorly. people thought chris christie would be doing well. but i'm sure there's going to be an up and down for every candidate. but the question is how long will trump remain up and everybody else remain clawing at his ankles trying to get some room to talk? >> do you think that -- i think donald trump is sort of the likes of which in terms of a candidate we've never seen before because we've grown up with him. we know him, he's part of our culture, he was a cultural hero for a long time. certainly folk hero with his success in business and atlantic city and he's a tv star. i mean this is a very unique cat. >> it is. and i do not think it's like 2011 at all when we saw herman cain lead, we saw michele bachmann lead, many of these other candidates lead. newt gingrich led for a while. this is not the same thing. donald trump had been the front-runner for at least a month and it seems he has staying power. none of the other candidates are

coming close. i do not think this is a simple dating thing. i think he may be at the top for some time. i don't think we can compare it to the last election in that sense at all. >> olivia, you spoke to donald trump donors. how far are they willing to go? >> they seem completely set on him. they really love him. people who like him, like him like he's part of their family. >> it's funny. he has that obnoxious uncle appeal. >> he does. >> he's funny, obnoxious but you like him. >> he's a new york guy. he's from queens and people like that. that's very appealing to people and i don't think there is a second choice for a lot of trump donors and -- or a lot of trump fans and i think that's a really interesting thing. some people like ted cruz and it looks like ted cruz is sort of trying to set himself up to take trump's supporters if trump were to drop out or he were to lose some support but i think trump is unique, as you said, and it's unlikely that there's going to be any other candidate to affect the field in the way he has. >> erin and olivia, thank you so

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welcome back to "weekends with alex witt." i'm page hopkins. new talks between a growing dispute between north korea and south korea. officials for the two countries met in the demilitarized zone to discuss the situation. north korea demanded south korea end its propaganda broadcastings along the border. a deadline set for the broadcasts to stop has passed. ian williams is near the demilitarized zone in south korea. ian, where does the situation stand right now? >> hi, page. the deadline came and went without military clashes. instead, the two koreas agreed to talk. top officials from north and south meeting at a village about two miles up the road behind me at the end of a very tense day along this border. as the deadline approached and kim jong-un's ultimatum loomed, the authorities ordered the evacuation of villages along the border to shelters like this deep underground and behind

bomb-proof doors. now, most people along this border are used to the blood curdling rhetoric from across the border. but the exchange of fire this week the most serious crisis in years has made people much more nervous than usual. as an extra precaution, even public observatories have been closed. this one is normally pretty busy at the weekend. it affords a bird's eye view into the north or at least it usually does. with so much extra security in place today, this is about as close as we're going to get to north korea. over there in the distant hills beyond the han river where kim jong-un has his army in a quasi-state of war threatening military action to take out 11 sets of loud speakers which have been broadcasting propaganda from the south. that includes information about life in the south, weather forecasts even, soap operas, even pop music. pretty innocuous stuff, you'd

think, but not if you're a paranoid regime, insular like north korea. the talks have raised hopes that this crisis can be defused but in the meantime the militaries on the side of both fortified borders remain on high alert. page? >> ian williams in south korea, thank you. now to the campaign trail, governor bobby jindal just wrapped up speaking on the iowa state fair soap box, spending most of his time on immigration. >> if you want to come to this country, you should want to be an american. if you don't want to be an american, don't come here. nobody's forcing you to come here in the first place. immigration without assimilation is invasion. >> governor chris christie also spoke about immigration and even connected it to the debate over marijuana legalization. >> and if folks want to make marijuana legal, go to college and get them change the law. but we should not have ad hoc one state at a time changing

laws. it's not right t right thing to do. i will tell you, it creates lawlessness in this country. that's how we get sanctuary cities also because certain mayors don't want to enforce the immigration laws: >> joining me now is nbc's danny freeman. danny, what was the crowd's response to governor christie? >> well, thank you for having me on, page, today chris christie spoke to a large crowd, perhaps one of the largest gop crowds we've seen in the soap box. as you played in that clip with governor chris christiety and governor jindal, both honed in on immigration and whether or not the gop plan national guard to be a huge topic that they were going to be discussing during the 2016 presidential campaign. it's central now. one of the interesting things was that during this soap box for both governors there were protestors chanting "citizenship now" for the entire duration of both speeches. it was a wild day for governor chris christiety and governor chris christiety had his own trouble with animal rights

protesters as you'll see here. >> here we go. [ boos ] [ applause ] >> well, let me be really clear about that. i have to tell you the truth, when something like that happens and i'm here in iowa, man i feel right at home. [ laughter ] feels like i'm back in jersey for a couple of minutes. >> now, as you can see, chris christie is very, very comfortable in that sort of environment. he's done town halls all over the country. especially in new jersey. right after that particular moment he today the bunch of media that this is nothing compared to the hundred some odd town halls he's done in new jersey still you've seen today one of the largest protester demonstration at the soap box just yet. we were here with scott walker

earlier in the week, the governor from wisconsin, and he had an altercation with a number of protesters' union presence, but nothing like this today with governor christie where protesters jumped on the stage and were fighting for the animal rights point of view. >> danny freeman, thank you so much. the republican field has seen nearly all the excitement so far on the campaign trail as you were just seeing but a wild card could be coming for the democrats. the "new york times" reports today vice president joe biden began courting big-money donor this is week. and a new poll finds the voters may be behind him. 53% say the vice president should enter the race. joining me now is larry sabato, founder and director of the university of virginia center for politics. what do you see is driving this chatter around vice president biden? >> well, deep down i think it's a fact that joe biden still wants to be president. after all he's run twice before

and he's been vice president for two terms under president obama so that's at the heart of it. obviously at least some democrats on the establishment side are concerned about what's happening with former secretary hillary clinton. if this e-mail scandal balloons and for some reason she's damaged or unable to run they have to have an alternative. the left things bernie sanders is already the alternative but the establishment wants somebody like joe biden to fill in if needed. >> quinnipiac looked at hillary clinton's favorability ratings versus vice president biden in the swing states and it does not look good. nearly 20% more unfavorable than favorable for clinton. larry, do you think she can turn this around? >> well, i've been around a long time and actually decades before the clintons came on the scene but i've watched the clintons closely since 1992 and they've come back from the dead more

times than vampires so i just can't tell you. i think she has the opportunity again because we're in the summer prior to election year. this is very early. so we jump ahead and pretend that everything matters right now but it doesn't necessarily. >> you're right. never count a clinton out but never count out donald trump so let's take a look at clinton versus trump in those same swing states. quinnipiac finds them nearly tech in neck with trump leading in florida and clinton leading in pennsylvania. how do you read this, larry? >> i read this as one more useless summer not the year prior to the election, that's how i read it. i'll be surprised if that's the lineup for november, 2016, let's put it that way. >> but let's talk about donald trump's appeal and the 20,000 people who turned out for him yesterday. i think it's safe to say a fair amount may have been there for the show and the entertainment value, but what about people supporting him in these polls. will those translate into real

votes? >> well, they're watching. they've made a preliminary choice, that's why most of them are there and they will tell pollsters for trump but think back to the last two contests. the lead changed hands several times in 2008 and 2012 so if i were donald trump i wouldn't be sending anybody to the white house to do that usual curtain che check. >> but you are a scholar of the american presidency. what do you say about what american voters want right now? >> for years we've been marrying washington and hollywood. the celebrity culture governs governing now as well as film making. so to me he is part of that process and maybe is leading us to a higher or, if you prefer, lower level. >> but you are a scholar of

presidencies. what do you make of candidate trump? this is a guy we have all grown up with. he was kind of a folk hero with his business success. atlantic city he became a tv star. isn't this a candidate unlike any we've ever seen before? >> highly unusual candidate. he doesn't compare well to any of the other possible comparable candidates. so he's unusual but let's remember where we are in the process. why are do we all watch him so carefully? why did many of us watch every minute of that mobile pep rally yesterday? we watched it because we're waiting for the car crash. you never know what he's going to say next. it's a stream of consciousness. it excite bug it usually results in self-immolation.

>> well, he's definitely charismatic and entertaining if nothing else. thank you, larry sabato. >> thank you. there is an uproar building over an attraction in new york's times square, some women wearing little more than body paint want tourists to take pictures with them in return for a tip. new york's governor says the situation is reminding him of the seedy days of bad old times square and the city's mayor agrees. nbc's kristen dalghren has more. kristen? >> page, the situation is so serious to mayor de blasio that he's formed a task force led by the police commissioner bill bratton who has called for the whole times square plaza to be dug up and returned to street traffic. it's called the cross roads of the world. >> hello! let's take a picture, ladies. >> reporter: new york's mayor says some characters aren't welcome in times square. >> i think it's wrong. it's wrong. >> reporter: the mayor upset over topless women who pose with tourists. >> i have to take a picture with

her. >> reporter: as well as costume characters who have been known to get in fights. >> oh! yeah, that's what i'm talking about. >> reporter: or harass tourists for tips. >> i've seen them berate men who didn't give them $20 each. >> reporter: the mayor thinks it's gotten so bad he formed a task force and is looking into ways to curb the activity, including the possibility of tearing up the pedestrian islands all together. even as construction to build them continues. in a statement, the times square advertising coalition president said "after six years and $40 million spent by the city constructing the plazas, it would be a terrible mistake to eliminate them." sandy cane says she was the first female performer to go topless. >> after so many people came out, i needed a gimmick to make some money and that is why i went topless. >> reporter: and while it isn't illegal to go topless in new york city, for some it's too much. >> i don't think it's appropriate to be out in the

streets. >> reporter: for others? >> it's just expression of art. >> reporter: one lawmaker has suggested requiring men like times square's other famous resident the naked cowboy, to cover up, too, to avoid legal challenges. while other performers say they're just getting caught in the middle while trying to make a living. >> i have the freedom to be here and dress whatever i want to dress. >> we should note when we went down to times square yesterday afternoon most of the topless women other than our friend sandy there with nowhere to be seen, page. police told us they haven't been around as much after this attention. the mayor says he expects the task force to provide enforcement options to him by october 1. >> kristen dealghren, thank you very much. up ahead, the alleged victim in the prep school rape trial provides emotional testimony. but how will the testimony from a nurse influence theure? that's next.

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we have some breaking news in afghanistan for you. nato officials say a suicide car bombing has killed three american contractors. the bombers were targeting a convoy when it happened. again, three american contractors killed today in afghanistan. we'll bring you more information as it becomes available. the former student accused of rape at a prestigious prep school is expected to take the stand on wednesday. 19-year-old owen labrie sat in a new hampshire courtroom this past week listening to emotional testimony from his 16-year-old accuser. we have distorted the voice of the accuser and we are not showing her face to protect her privacy. she was 15 at the time of the alleged rape. here's her exchange with the defense attorney. >> why were you cloudy? >> i was raepd! i was violated in so many ways.

of course i was traumatized. >> labrie has pleaded not guilty to all charges against him. joining me now, wendy murphy, at ju -- adjunct professor of sexual violence law at new england's law boston, she's also an attorney and former prosecutor. welcome wendy. >> good to be with you. >> during the cross-examination, the defense attorney asked the accuser about a series of friendly e-mails that she exchained with the accused leading up to the encounter. he asked the accuser about telling investigators she was laughing during the encounter. is this an effective way of undermining her credibility? >> well, in my opinion, it is utterly ineffective because it's utterly irrelevant.

what do i mean by that? she was 15. that's under the age of consent. nothing she said or did changes the fact and the law which is that she couldn't consent so whatever she said that sounded like consent is irrelevant. it's that simple. and i'm a bit annoyed to hear a lot of attention paid to the things she said that sounded like consent because why aren't we only saying why didn't he back off? he knows that she was under age. and there's no such thing as well she was close, because the age of consent in new hampshire is 16. you can't go into court when you're charged with underaged drinking and say "your honor, i was almost 21." it's not a defense. we shouldn't be talking about this. >> how do you think her testimony will play out to the jury? this is a prestigious prep school, very elite prep school in this area. the rest of the demographics in that town and in that area

doesn't match those of the students. so this jury is not a jury of peers to these two students so how is that going to play out? >> well, you know, it's the relevant community and it's appropriate that the people sit in judgment. but what i'm concerned about is the that the jury in a since is going to be duped into thinking consent is relevant because the defense attorney keeps saying it is. i really think the jury is will be mindful and listen to the judge's instruction. when the judge said she's too young to consent i think the jury will be in the deliberation room saying "why did we hear so much about consent?" so i hope at the end of the day they'll say there's unequivocal evidence there was sexual penetration. she couldn't consent. this is basically a slam dunk case. that's how i see the evidence. >> the school nurse also explained what the accuser told her when she came to the office two days later asking about the morning-after pill.

>> did you talk about whether the intercourse was consensual or not? >> yes, i did ask her those questions and she said that questions. and she said that it was con consentual. >> if she laid herself out naked and said have at me, owen. his responsibility was to say i can't. it's illegal. it doesn't matter what you want. it doesn't matter you might want to consent. by the way, what she really said and what's clear is that she was eager to have some kind of contact with him, kissing, touching, maybe even some nonpenetrating sexual contact. it's when he took it to the illegal stage of penetration that the crime happened. and that's really not in dispute. there was dna. she had vaginal tearing. he admitted to his friends there was sexual penetration. that is not up for debate in this case. even if the defense attorney

wants to claim absurdly that he didn't penetrate her, that's pretty embarrassing as a defense attorney move, that's a joke. >> okay, wendy murphy, thank you so much for joining us today. we will see what happens this next week. girls in gaming. a new documentary looks at the mistreatment of women in online video games. that's next. can a business have a mind? a subconscious. a knack for predicting the future. reflexes faster than the speed of thought. can a business have a spirit? can a business have a soul? can a business be...alive? bring us your aching and sleep deprived. bring us those who want to feel well rested. aleve pm. the only one to combine a sleep aid... plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. be a morning person again, with aleve pm.

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