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thanks for joining us. watching that debate that donald trump has been kicking off on immigration, you might forget that latinos are actually a growing part of the national electrnational electorate, comprising 20% of it in 2012 and they helped barack obama win for two reasons. first, they were most of the support in two states, and latinos preferred barack obama over mitt romney 71% to 27%. that's more than anybody backed him in his coalition, larger than young voters, for example, voters in poorhouses and even religious voters who often backed democrats. it was also most with the religious since bill clinton in 1986. how did the gop originally react to that news, with denial or anger? no. they actually reversed the five

stages of grief and began with acceptance after 2012. in fact, the gop's hundred-page 2012 postmortem said this. quote, we must embrace and champion comprehensive immigration reform. if we do not, our party's appeal will continue to shrink to its core constituencies only, end quote. as the gop marched on in 2016, many thought marco rubio would be more desirable in part because of that conversation. he was a member of the gang of eight senators. they were the ones crafting comprehensive reform ideas back in 2013. then there's jeb bush, not only because of the identity politics with his mexican-born wife, but also because he had been seen as a moderate on immigration issues, taking a split this tuesday when he worked away from the republican party saying they

needed to crack down on undocumented immigrants, saying it was an american right. then he used the derogatory term anchor baby when talking about undocumented children bo documented children born to undocumented parents. >> pregnant women are coming in to have babies simply because they can do it, there ought to be greater enforcement. that's the legitimate side of this, greater enforcement so you don't have these anchor babies, as they're described, coming into the country. >> you heard it right there, and when asked about those very comments on thursday, he basically doubled down on the term. this was one of the feistier exchanges we've seen with reporters to date. >> did you use the term anchor babies yesterday on the radio? you don't regret it? >> no,i don't. do you have a better term? >> i'm asking you. >> give me a better term and i'll use it, i'm serious.

don't yell at me behind my ear, though. >> sorry about that. >> the term anchor baby, is that not bombastic? >> what i said was it's commonly referred to that. i didn't use it as my own language. do you want to get to the policy for a second? i think people born into this country ought to be american citizens. >> republican donald trump proudly took credit for jeb bush's word choice. >> he is using anchor baby. he put out a memo, you cannot use anchor baby. now because i used it, he's using it. >> that's a key bit of progress there thanks to donald trump. now, it appears republicans are basically doing their five stages of grief here in reverse. they got to acceptance quickly, as we were reporting, but moved by donald trump and maybe this primary politics, they seem to be sliding back towards anger and even denial on so many of these issues. joining janet and me today to discuss is christina beltran, associate professor of cultural

analysis and director of studies at nyu. she's also the author of "trouble with unity." also, juan benitez, political host. thank you both for being here. what do you make of this, because there was optimism right after 2012, and it seems to be fading. >> right, well, what's really interesting is there was a view put forward by ryan previs and the leadership about the 2012 election which is different than the public feels about this. one of the contradictions is there is a fundamental difference at the heart of the republican party, which is it has a very strong nativist, really hostile toward illegal immigration in particular, and they think they can thread the needle on this by saying we're not against immigrants, we're against illegal immigrants. you can see this slang anchor

baby already. these are u.s. citizens. these are citizens whose parents' status is unauthorized, right? so now you're attacking u.s.-born latinos, right, and sort of describing them in a criminalizing, demonizing discourse that says basically the right of their birth is sneaking in. so that speaks to a republican establishment that knows they need latino voters, they need to get to their 30s or they can't win. on the other hand, have an electorate who doesn't want to hear anything about immigration reform. >> do you feel that the republicans have really squandered 2016? >> a few weeks ago i sat at this table and they said how donald trump had hijacked the republicans. now he's hijacked the republican

agenda and everyone is following him with this speech that at some point is going to become a hate speech, could become a hate speech. so the problem here is not only that latinos are more sensitive to the immigration reform issue, not only because many of them have family members or many of them maybe no people that are in this situation, but also because it becomes identity politics, and now everybody is suspect. everybody who looks hispanic or looks mexican or has an accent is suspect and maybe shouldn't be here in this country. that's why the issue is powerful among latinos. >> i want to bring in from washington, d.c., executive director of projects latino partnership, nice to see you. >> thank you for having me. >> let's bring you into the conversation. i know sometimes you bring a different view, but speak to this criticism, and is it okay, is it understandable, in your view, that people are concerned about the way jeb bush is talking even if, as we just showed in the clip, he says, hey, don't worry so much about the word choice, i still have

the more open position on the issue itself. >> look, i don't like the term anchor baby. i agree that it's offensive, but this issue has been completely overblown. latinos are not dumb. they know that jeb bush is good at immigration. he wrote a book where he outlines a plan on immigration reform. he's for legalization. and it's kind of funny that hillary clinton blasts him for, you know, not calling them babies or u.s. citizens when just last year, she actually supported the idea of expedit expeditedly removing unaccompanied minors back to their home countries. latinos are going to look at the issues, at the positions of the candidates, not at the terminology. terminology matters. i think it's been an education moment for all of us, because let's be fair. the majority of americans, the majority of latinos don't even

know what anchor baby means. i think people realize now it's an offensive term, i doubt they're going to use it again, but latino voters are going to be looking at issues. hillary is making a big issue of this because democrats are afraid of jeb bush. they know he can be very competitive with latino voters, not only get more latino voter support but actually win the latino vote. >> christine, i want to bring you in on this. we know the economy, clean water, conservation of water, amongst another slew of issues beyond just immigration. can you kind of unpack the other issues behind immigration? >> when you look at history, there are a lot of other issues that rank higher than immigration, issues like the economy, education. interestingly, people were surprised. climate change is a really strong issue. not surprising because so many latinos live in the southwestern

united states and they're dealing with drought issues. i think alfonso is right, i think there are issues beyond immigration that are important here. what's going to be really interesting, and to be fair, the bush family has always been more interesting on questions of race than other republicans. like they have an interesting history in terms of supporting diversity. >> why do you think that is? >> it actually goes all the way back to george w. bush. george w. bush was involved in supporting some of the first latino organizations. and george w. bush before 9/11 was very much interested in kind of diversifying a party and compassionate conservatism. this is a family that has kind of an interesting racial history in terms of not being a particularly nativist or a family that plays kind of dog whistle politics. on the other hand, if you look at policy issues, the republicans and jeb bush are not in support of labor unions, which is a very strong issue for latino voters.

they care about labor issues and union issues. they still want to create tax breaks for the rich. they have aggressive tax policies. so all these issues are going to get looked at. i think one of the interesting things for jeb is they're trying to play personality and shared culture over shared politics, and those two things are different. >> we were just starting this conversation, of course, but before we go to break, we want to show you a live picture from inside maranatha baptist church. jimmy carter, three days after being diagnosed for cancer, is back teaching a sunday school class. today a long line in front of that church before dawn. >> it's a remarkable thing to see, and obviously everyone rooting for him. you see now as he's going through, obviously, this fight, you're reminded of the kind of person he is in going out there. he does this every sunday to teach. so we wish him and his family well, of course. when we come back, we want to tell you immigration

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i want them to know that they do have a safe and reliable system. together, we're building a better california. i'd like to see something done about the illegal alien problem that would be so sensitive and so understanding about labor needs and human needs that that problem wouldn't come up. we're doing two things. we're creating a whole society of really honorable, decent family-loving people that are in violation of the law, and secondly, we're exacerbating relations with mexico. >> rather than talking about putting up a fence, why don't we work out some recognition of our mutual problems, make it possible for them to come here legally with a work permit, and then while they're working and

earning here, they pay taxes here. and when they want to go back, they can go back, and they can cross and open the border both ways. >> that was a clip from april 23rd, 1980 in houston when ronald reagan and george h.w. bush discussed immigration at a debate before the texas primary. now let's pause for a moment. you all heard that, right? the two leading gop candidates of the time, two of the most republican figures of the 20th century giving sensitive, thoughtful, quite moderate stances on immigration almost four decades ago. today rhetoric about the border sounds a lot different, especially when coming from someone like front runner donald trump. so, one, i want to bring you into this. how did republicans go from that moderate rhetoric to where we're at now? >> it's not even moderate rhetoric. we didn't hear the questioner. and i think we can all agree that the questioner was expecting a totally different answer in that debate. and you have the last president

who passed immigration reform, ronald reagan, and he gave amnesty to more than a million documented immigrants, and the last president, george bush sr., who did an executive order on immigration like the one that obama tried to have last year. but going back to what alfonso said before the break, i think it's really important. he said latinos are not dumb. they are not dumb. they know how to differentiate things. but when you have a candidate like jeb bush saying to latinos, look at me, i have a mexican wife and mexican-american kids. and he goes behind their backs and uses the term anchor babies and uses that rhetoric, they're not dumb. they're going to remember. ask just to ma and just one more point. i think this is important, the immigration issue, but if i'm a republican right now, i'm preparing for next month. next month we have the visit of pope francis. he is a leader of the catholic church, and he's going to talk

in front of a joint session of congress. he's going to talk about poverty, immigration, climate change, things they're not going to like. so how they're going to respond, all these presidential candidates, republicans, to what pope francis has to say, is going to be as important for their decision on immigration reform for latinos next year. >> you sound excited about that. >> it's going to be really exciting, because for many years we had popes that maybe were not that media friendly. benedict xvi wasn't that -- i'm not going to use the word controversial, but we now have a pope that really is pursuing an agenda on poverty, climate change, immigration, and he -- >> he's speaking with moral authority on these issues. alfonso, you, of course, talked about the need to address trump in the "new york times," george will, prominent conservative, has a new piece out saying republicans say they'll stand up to putin but they can't stand up to donald trump. are you disappointed seeing so

far there is more echoing of trump than confronting him? >> no, i think the field is split. it would be wrong to generalize and say all of them are agreeing with him. i think they knew that immigration was going to be an issue in this campaign. i don't think they expected to have to address it in detail so early on. and i think, actually, it's an opportunity. it's an opportunity for people like senator marco rubirubio, l governor bush to show they're constructive on the issue and they can win over latino voters. again, he used the term anchor baby but he didn't say it was his language. latino voters know where he stands on immigration. again, we shouldn't give a pass to hillary just because she's a democrat. she came out supporting removing babi babies, unaccompanied minors, right away back to their home countries, and latinos remember that. she wasn't a leader on

immigration when she was in the senate, so i think they're going to look at the substance of the immigration debate. >> christina, let's bring you into this really quick. during the debate, president h.w. bush calls immigrants good, strong people. when did that human element leave the rhetoric? >> right, when did this sort of start? it's a complicated story, because on the one hand, that response really tells you how the republican party has shifted so far to the right. and so you see a huge difference here. on the other hand, anti-latino sentiment was circulating in this period as well. we forget about the rise of the english only that was going on, we had pat buchanan in 1992, we had prop 187 and 209 in california, so people like leo chavez has written and talked about the latino narrative. but the republican party really speaks to something sad about our democracy right now, which is immigration is a complex

issue. it involves talking about global capitalism, about the history of war and colonialism, so it's stories about global capital, and we don't talk about this. we talk to the public like they're very stupid children, so you produce an electorate that know says less and less and understands less and less, and you get them to respond. >> thank you for that response, and thank you all to alfonsoal l -- alfonso aguilar in washington, d.c. he's seriousvice president seriously thinking about challenging hillary clinton. we have those details next. [ school bell rings ]

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biden presidential campaign. the vice president had been talking to big donors who raised big cash for president obama in 2012. joining us now from martha vineyard is nbc correspondent kristen welker. kristen, what do we know about this meeting and when can we expect a decision from the vice president? >> hey, janet, good morning to you. we know joe biden let elizabeth warren know he was considering a run. this is the most clear sign yet that he is considering a run. as you know, elizabeth warren is a democratic champion. a lot of people wanted her to run. she declined. the fact that joe biden is reaching out to her that if he were to throw his hat in the ring, he's courting all those progressive voters. we know secretary clinton is still the strong democratic front-runner. if you look at any polls, she has a very strong lead.

having said that, there is a cnn poll this week that shows 53% of democrats want vice president biden to get in the race. my sources tell me he's been mulling a run with his aides, his supporters and his family members, most importantly. the reason for him to get in the race would be because this is someone who wanted to be president for a long time. he's run for president twice before unsuccessfully and there are real concerns with the democratic party that secretary clinton could be vulnerable in a general election given this e-mail scandal, which is stilley involving, by the way. they're waiting to see how serious this scandal gets. other reasons for biden to join the race, look, he would be dividing the party at the time when you do have secretary clinton still running very strong in the polls, and there's a personal reason, which is, he's still, according to sources i've talked to, very much grieving the loss of his son beau who passed away in may. i'm told this will be a personal decision for the vice president. he has to huddle with his friend and family and ultimately they

will make the decision. he has said he'll make his final decision at the end of the summer. that deadline, i'm told, could be pushed back by a few days or a few weeks, but this is obviously a story we're watching very closely. back to you. >> a lot of us are watching. thanks to nbc, kristen welker at marth martha's vineyard. i know you did political strategies for him, but how does he approach a decision like this? >> in the politics, whenever i used to talk about politics, biden would remind me, you couldn't get elected dog catcher, so we tended to stick to economics. but that is his characteristic stance. they've met on occasion. there's a lot of respect there. i mean, joe biden comes from delaware, which is a credit card state, so there's been some issues there between them, but it doesn't surprise me that given where he is as kristen just described, that they sat

down for a talk. he's kind of taking her temperature on where a progressive endorsement might be for him on that. >> what do you think will be his approach here? if he gets in, he's late, so he's got to have a big bang or big opening splash. >> it's interesting, i was thinking about the splashes we've seen so far. the surprising ones would be from the donald on one side, and feeling the burn, bernie sanders on the other side. i think to some extent the splash there would be that joe biden is someone who is very much beloved by many people in the democratic party, by many constituents out there. there's just something special, something genuine about that guy. i know what it is having worked for him, and i think that there's really something kind of different about him that's kind of closer to the electorate than perhaps senator clinton has tapped so far. >> let's bring in christina and juan here in new york.

what do you think, christina, about a biden-warren 2016 ticket? >> that ticket could be very interesting. the minute he was going to meet with her, i thought, that would be -- but i don't know why warren would leave to be a vice presidential candidate, it seems like an odd choice for her. but the thing i think is interesting is when biden -- on the one hand biden shows he's carrying the obama legacy forward, right? i like him a lot, but he was used a lot to appeal to white working class voters in 2012 and 2008. that was one of his real appeals. hillary clinton has really tried to expand and build on the obama coalition and she's done a lot of work trying to appeal to latino voters, african-american voters, taking a stand on black lives matter. it's going to be really interesting. she's tried raising issues on lgbt issues. she's tried to put together a particular kind of coalition, so i'm not sure if biden, even though he comes from the obama

administration, if he could pivot and do the same kind of work. >> you could make the argument that hillary clinton has been hurt by having this boring primary. everyone is talking about the e-mails in part because there's nothing else to talk about. >> i think the biden buzz is another sign of the fact there is a clear path to an alternative to hillary clinton in the democratic primary. democrats like hillary clinton. they think she is totally ready to be president, but they're not excited about her candidacy. she hasn't been able to produce that excitement that maybe bernie sanders has. and democrats, remember, they didn't have an exciting 2012 election. they revoted for barack obama, but everyone was wondering is this world ready for the first black president? i think the world knows they're ready for the first female president. they know she's ready, but many democrats i talk to they're

saying, well, we like hillary but we're waiting for someone else to show up and offer an alternative. >> finally, jared, is there a view in the white house in obamaworld that it's simply too late or unfair for joe biden to go against hillary this late in the process? >> i don't think so. i think less disloyalty because barack obama really values his friendship with joe biden and views him as a very important figure in his presidency. i think the too late problem is real, and echoing some of what was just said, hillary clinton had a bad august. that's not that uncommon this far out for a candidate to have a tough month. she's still very strong. she's still locked up a lot of funding. i actually think the likelihood that the vp might get in the race is still pretty low, but as she stumbles, it gets a bit higher. if she were to pick up, things would look a bit different. one more point on the vice president. an interesting thing, more than

any other vice president, i would argue, that we've ever had, he really worked very closely with president obama. he was just there at every meeting. i saw it with my own eyes. so here's a guy who could actually walk into that job kind of knowing how it works, better than almost anyone i could think of, and barack obama is one of the smartest people i ever met. i would argue it took him four or five years to really figure the job out because it's a really hard, complicated job. that's an interesting advantage that joe biden has. >> thank you to jared bernstein there in virginia beach. we also want to thank christina beltran and juan bonitas. still to come this morning, my letter of the week.

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because he boarded that train in brussels, the british man and american man who held down that shooter are being hailed as heroes. kelly, what do we know about the suspect now? >> reporter: well, airi, as you mentioned, we now know his name but there are conflicting reports about whether he traveled to syria. they're looking into whether he acted alone or was part of a wider network. the french interior minister is only saying that the man was a known radical flagged last year because of alleged ties to terrorist groups. new information emerging this morning about the man accused of attacking that train headed for paris. belgi belgium's chief prosecutor telling nbc news his name is ayub el kazani. he is 24 years old of moroccan origin and has lived in egypt

for several years. this morning he's being questioned by terrorist analysts in paris. nbc news has not confirmed the reports and the french interior minister cautioned against speculation. this morning the three friends whose european vacation took such a dramatic turn are together again in paris. anthony sadler, alex scarlotos and spencer stone getting a he o heroes' treatment. stone, who is a trained paramedic, is giving first aid to a man shot in the neck, even with his own hand badly cut. top military brass visited stone in the hospital saturday where he underwent surgery. >> they were actually able to reattach that portion that was pretty severely cut. i'm happy that he's alive. >> reporter: alive and already recovering. stone was released late saturday

afternoon with a smile and a wave. we understand stone's parents are meeting him in paris and we also hear that all of the train heroes will get a personal thank you from the french president tomorrow morning. and ari, i know we were waiting to hear from them for a long time yesterday. we now understand there may be a press conference today in just about an hour and a half from paris. so we will keep you updated on that. >> all right, thank as always, kelly, for your reporting. still to come on hp, a new study showing officers were going inside the black lives matter movement. is that necessary policing or overreach? can a business have a mind? a subconscious. a knack for predicting the future. reflexes faster than the speed of thought. can a business have a spirit? can a business have a soul?

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another week, another candidate who has confused a statement that doesn't need saying because it is self-evident with a statement that must be said because of all evidence to the contrary. only this time the candidate is reaching back in time to support

his misguided response by misrepresenting the message of one of american history's greatest leaders. so this week my letter is to the latest presidential candidate to appear confused over the black lives matter movement. dear governor mike huckabee, hey, it's janet. this week cnn's wolf blitzer asked if you agreed to what hillary clinton said to a black lives matter activist during this meeting. >> there's not much that we can do to stop the violence against us. >> well -- >> the conversation gets pushed back. >> i don't believe you change hearts. i believe you change laws, you change allocation of resources, you change the way systems operate. you're not going to change every heart. you're not. >> governor, the message from blm is that black people don't have the power to stop the violence committed against them by agents of the state. it's why they're appealing to people like you, people vying to represent the state for help.

but clearly you weren't paying attention to the activist's message, because if you truly understood that the rallying cry, black lives matter, is a call for that recognition, you wouldn't have responded by saying this. >> when i hear people scream black lives matter, i'm thinking, of course, they do. but all lives matter. it's not that any life matters more than another. that's the whole message, i think, that dr. king tried to present, and i think he would be appalled at the notion we're elevating some lives above others. >> the governor, offering the assertion that black lives matter, diminishes the black lives that have and continue to be lost, and you should know that by now. because it's a lesson some of your democratic and republican opponents have been taught, already been taught, again and again and again. and you, governor, you went even further. in addition to dismissing black lives matter, you also

misrepresented one of the greatest champions to civil rights to assist in your attempt to silence the very people and ideas that he fought to protect and died to protect. because, yes, martin luther king jr. was appalled by the notion that we are elevating some lives above others. but you're a little confused about the we he was talking about. when dr. king said, america has given the negro people a bad check, a check which has come back marked insufficient funds, he was delivering a damning indictment against the united states government for its failure to secure for black people basic civil rights that rell ga relegated their citizenship but also their humanity to citizen status. dr. king wouldn't have to look very far to find familiarity to today's young activist s in ther struggle and the word of their

critics. after all, it's the same violence king referenced when he wrote, there are those who are asking the devotees of civil rights, what can you be satisfied? we can never be satisfied as the negro is the victim of the unspeakable horrors of police brutality. dr. king was responding to his allies, people he called men of genuine good will. and their criticism sounded like the activist of today. you're going too hard, you're pushing too far. governor, if you listened closely to the actions of the critics, the urgency, the urgency. we go hard because people are dying. apart from being appalled, dr. king would have echoes of his own when he said from his letter in the birmingham jail, when you have seen hate-filled policemen

curse, kick, brutalize and even kill your black brothers and sisters with impunitimpunity, t will understand why we find it difficult to wait. dr. king watched burning with fire and actions of black rage, he saw in it not the wanton violence of looters and rioters, but a response to systematic violence of institutional racism. king wrote in an editorial after the watts riots in the saturday review, when there is racklike intransigence or sophisticated manipulation that mocks the employ-handed petitioner, rage replaces reason. did you get that, governor? because as long as you continue with your unsophisticated manipulation of king's message, and as long as you and other candidates continue your rock-like resistance to the message of the movement, that is as long as you can expect to keep hearing those urgent screams of rage that black lives

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welcome back. on friday, several black activists launched campaign zero putting together fights against police violence. end broken windows policing, expand community oversight for police and limiting use of force when an officer's life is in danger. as well as independent investigations when police kill or injure civilians. the black lives matter movement has helped make this issue a national priority, and they've been increasingly visual and vocal, pushing both police and candidates to try to make changes. that kind of visibility, some say, though, can come at a cost. throughout american history, activists and groups that often challenge power structures come under increased and sometimes illegal scrutiny from the very

leaders they're trying to scrutinize. think back to 1956 when fbi director j. edgar hoover launch aid counterintelligence program that involved widespread surveillance of mostly law-abiding citizens in aggressive efforts to disrupt political organizations including the communist party and the black panthers. the program may be most notorious for bugging martin luther king's hotel rooms in an attempt to catch him in uncompromising situations. there were outcries from congress as well as the american public. yet some say that era is reminiscent in light of the new reporting by the black lives matter movement by intercept. just a few weeks ago, intercept reported that security has been analyzing, and now intercept is supporting that undercover police have derailed black lives matter in new york.

and in dallas, the author of those intercept articles, george joseph. hello to all of you. george, what did your investigation find, and is anything here actually outside of the rules? >> we did two investigations. one was a few weeks ago when we found the department of homeland security, our country's supposed terrorist group, was monitoring the country, looking at twitters, looking at facebook events and taking a broad overview since the ferguson uprisings of what's going on. while that is sort of to be not surprising, especially given that tweets and facebook posts are often public, the recent revelations that we had in our latest story about undercover police actually regularly attending black lives matter protests in new york was very

disturbing, especially since they've been taking photos of individual prominent activists, naming them and keeping them in their files. >> let me cut in. i want to read a statement from the nypd. you used the word disturbing. in i think many people agree with that. here's what the nypd said. we confer with our legal bureau when planning for the policing of protests and demonstrations. we comply with the various established guidelines governing police activities involving these public events. they say they're going to look at information and looking for people who might be showing up to try to advance public safety. do you see anything that was breaking rules here? >> well, the thing is it's difficult for us to know because the nypd hasn't been responding to records requests and asking them to be transparent and release what they're actually doing. if they don't have anything to hide, they should just release the documents that activists and people like us have been asking for. in the documents, a lot of names

have been redacted, so we can't exactly tell to what degree the nypd is sending undercover police officers to these protests. if they don't have anything to hide, they should share what's going on. >> is this type of surveillance of activists legal? >> there are numerous concerns, and the first, obviously, is the first amendment. when surveillance of activists and centers chills them from participating in protests, from dissenting, from speaking on any issue, including deep-seeded racism in this country, there is a possibility of a first amendment violation. and that happens when the chill is so strong that it prevents people from tweeting, prevents them from speaking their mind, keeps people from associating together in their protests. we're also concerned about the information collected about people. when the police put people's names in files, they're supposed to adhere to federal regulations

that permit that only when there is suspicion of criminal activity. and it's entirely unclear whether they've done that. >> thanks for clarifying that. tre'maine, that he see reports of this surveillance, how are they impacting the movement? >> what's amazing is how much things change, they remain the same. we call it the new civil rights movement but it's really an extension. you talk about 50 years ago and concerns over infiltration of law enforcement agents and supervision and all kinds of wild stuff going on, but now we also have infighting. you have these seeds, and the movement, they're congealing in something stronger. hillary clinton said show us how to change the laws, change these things, and now they finally come together. so even though they seem to be attacked on all fronts, and they feel like they're being followed and tailed and all the infighting, they're stronger. they're actually overachieving in so many ways. a year ago you would have thought this was an outburst of ang

anger, but now we see black lives matter in certain chapters. all these grew after last summer with michael brown. >> a lot of this is built on concerns of how the police operate. the view, then, is some of the policing of the movement itself may be biased or be a reaction. bit h but how do you actually figure out this is the case or public safety? >> it's hard to know and actually trace how the surveillance is impacting people's ability to organize and speak. but the probability that that's happening is there. people have already said, you know, i'm afraid to go to protests in grand central when i know my photograph and my name are going to be kept in files and we don't know where that information is going. and with the way specific activity reports are shared amongst government, federal, local and state, it could lead to watch listing, intelligence gathering and investigations. there's no indication again in documents released by the intercept that the individual photographers and protesters had any connection to criminal activity at all. >> right, and you mentioned the photographer. what was interesting about the

article and the spotlight is, yes, some of those individuals seem to be almost a part of documenting it and are getting caught up in that surveillance. i want to thank george joseph for sharing some of that reporting for us in new york. ten years after katrina, should the storm be seen as the start of the black lives matter movement? and why dr. dre is apologizing for something that wasn't even in the new hit movie. more at the top of the hour. sly? smash it with jublia! jublia is a prescription medicine proven to treat toenail fungus. use jublia as instructed by your doctor. look at the footwork! most common side effects include ingrown toenail, application site redness, itching, swelling, burning or stinging, blisters, and pain. smash it! make the call and ask your doctor if jublia is right for you. new larger size now available.

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alone, most of them inside new orleans. most of the homes were destroyed. all told the storm did $15 billibil -- $135 billion in damage. president obama will visit with new orleans on thursday and meet with people who have rebuilt the city. president george w. bush who was in office at the time, and hillary clinton will be in the city to mark the history. the regular host and her husband james, in the nation magazine they write, for us, black lives matter began as a public movement a decade ago on august 9, 2005. before trayvon martin and michael brown and eric garner and sandra bland, it was more than 1,000 dead and hundreds of thousands of displaced new or

leanians who forced america to confront black vulnerability and to understand how that vulnerability existed. this is september 4, six days after katrina hit. several new orleans police officers pulled up to the bridge in a budget rental truck. they opened fire on two families. one family was in search of food and water. the other was trying to find a way, any way, out of the city. two people were killed in a barrage of police gunfire, 17-year-old james bursett and 40-year-old ronald mason, who was mentally disabled. four others were badly injured. the officers say they were shot at and were defending their lives, but prosecutors say they fired unprovoked on unarmed civilians and then immediately tried to cover it up. five officers were convicted in the shootings and cover-up, and we learned just this week that those convictions may not stand. on tuesday a federal appeals court ruled that the officers should get a new trial because of misconduct of the prosecutor,

several who posted on-line comments of new stories about the case. melissa and james write, on the d danziger bridge, americans encounter the deadly consequences wrought by police who frame unarmed black people in need of assistance as threats and in need of elimination. it's a lesson we learned again with jonathan farrell, renisha mcbride, miriam carey. black lives matter. the story of black lives matter is a story of hurricane katrina. the poorest, blackest neighborhoods were the most vulnerable to destruction. it is those neighborhoods that still have not recovered. it was the black residents we saw on tv waiting for help from their rooftops for days. it was black residents who were labeled looters who they were trying to survive. the slow and militaristic

response was as slow as it would be nine years later in ferguson. joining us now, tracy ross, associate director of the poverty to prosperity program and co-host of talk poverty radio. tre'maine lee, nbc national reporter, and from new orleans, city council president and councilman at large in the new orleans city council. councilman, i want to start with you. ten years after katrina, what does black lives matter mean in new orleans? >> well, you can turn to the new trial the officers just got from the danziger bridge. there is a large segment of the community, white and black, that feels that the blogging, the inappropriate behavior of the prosecutors has only affected the case involving police officers who harm poor people. it does not affect any other case of any moment, although the

prosecutors are doing inappropriate behavior in these other cases. so there's still certainly a disparity. the black lives matter movement, i believe katrina was ground zero for that, especially when you think about the fact that there were days when there was simply inaction from local government to national government. >> tracy, i want to bring you in here. you know, the councilman says katrina was ground zero, and you wrote in a piece this week about katrina in the "new york times." you wrote, given the endurining legacy of segregation in the united states, it is not surprising that millions of black families are forced to live in neighborhoods that are accessible to them precisely because these neighborhoods are at greatest risk kuch. can you expand on that for us? >> this country has a history of limited choice and discrimination. you saw people of color couldn't

access home loans, or in the 1950s when the highway system literally went through black neighborhoods, destroying businesses and homes in the process. this country has decided that black people can tolerate high poverty neighborhoods and more devastation than other communities. so it really wasn't surprising to see the effects of katrina in this way, that, you know, the real story was the levees broke. it wasn't really even the storm, it was the levees, and it's because the lower ninth ward had poor infrastructure. so low-income people, black people, are forced to live in these neighborhoods because they're less desirable and there is greater investment in white affluen neighborhoods over time. >> tre'maine, i don't want us to get lost in this idea that new orleans are victims, they're also fierce advocates for their communities. can you share some of your thoughts around their activism in this space? >> when you speak about

resilience, new orleans in many ways has shown just that. i think the danziger bridge shows the divide, not just in new orleans, but in this country. i was a police officer in new orleans before this storm. i heard a crackle over the radio say we got five of theirs, none of ours hurt. that five of theirs was that family. those two people who were killed. and they erupted in cheers. and that speaks volumes about the us and the them, and the way we live in this very segregated world, not just by race and class, but law enforcement and the citizens there sworn to protect. when we think about this resilience and what people in new orleans have been able to overcome, they've overcome much but they're still burdened by the memories and the trauma of that day. >> i want to go back to councilman williams. when you think about that and the wider debates on policing, there is something in common and something problematic here, which was the reaction to the problems in katrina was a type

of government failure. and we know there are crimes and we know people hurt each other, generally. but there is something more distressing in a democracy when the government's conduct or omission itself is acting to hurt citizens, ask that's been the same point in the policing context where different cases merit different scrutiny, but the concern that the power of the government and state has been used against at times citizens. speak to that and what we've learned in this decade as we think about the kind of government we want to have. >> sure. when you think about the danziger bridge, it really highlights several decades of overpolicing neighborhoods, abusive policing practices. we're now under a consent decree, and the policemen are having a restructuring of the police department because they found there are at least two additional areas that a police department could fail that were present in new orleans that they

hadn't even accounted for in other cities. so it's a huge problem of really just policing a certain group of people. i'm an attorney. i've done a number of criminal defense cases, and you would often hear police officers on the stand say, we were doing proactive patrol in a high-crime area. but when you look at the geographical footprint of new orleans, it's a very small city. it's marbleized. you could be on the same street and have affluent homes, and in a few blocks it turns to poverty. when you're talking about overpolicing, you're talking about an area that is all a high crime area. so that overpolicing is manifested in situations where you have raids in housing projects looking for drugs but never having a raid on a college campus where there are just as many drugs. so those are the sorts of imbalances you see that can cause a real disconnect between people in the community and law enforcement, and there should

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as we reflect on this anniversary, we want to note that ten years ago, msnbc reporter tre'maine lee was a reporter back then for the new orleans times picayune and he was one of the report thaeers t won a prize for his reporting of hurricane katrina. now we have a preview. >> as the city descended into chaos, general russell arrived

to help with survival kits. >> people struggling before the storm had it even worse after the storm. people were marginally getting by. that old house they lived in no longer existed. the job they had no longer existed. >> 1.5 million people were forced from new orleans and the gulf coast region after katrina. ten years later a number of them have returned, but to a new new orleans. >> new orleans has gone from literally being under water to being one of the fastest growing major cities in america. >> reporter: despite mayor andrews' proclamation, violent crime, a problem before katrina, continues to plague certain sections of the city. the public school system has been torn apart and remade into the nation's first charter district. and although many of new orleans' neighborhoods have seen dramatic recovery in the last few years, and in the ninth ward, the process has been much slower. for every rebuilt or restored home, there is another one beyond repair, and tire blocks

overgrown with weeds and over 100,000 black residents have not returned compared with 11,000 white residents. >> of all the things we've lost in this storm, what haven't we gotten back yet? >> a little bit of the soul is still missing. >> powerful footage that kind of gives us perspective on what's going on on the ground. ten years later, tre'maine, how is new orleans doing? >> new orleans is struggling, but there is indeed a new orleans in this push and desire to see it whole again. while you can patch up what's broken physically, you can rebuild the superdome and put a nice, shiny roof on it. the scars that are resting in the people have not been properly addressed. i think a lot of people are struggling with that, people forced away by the storm and never come back. or those who returned to find their neighborhoods are still in tatters, communities still broken and people are struggling to get by. here we are ten years later still asking these questions and folks are still ducking gunshots, people still dealing with corruption. you talk about the police

department, allegations of such, their consent decree. how are they actually working with the federal government? i talked to several agencies around the country and they're still struggling to meet their standards. what type of new orleans are we dealing with ten years later? >> we realize that a lot of people like to say that storms of this nature are great equaliz equaliz equalizers. but really they exacerbate what the country faces each year because 10% still live in low income housing, often wage workers who have fewer protections if they can't get back to their job during the storm realize just how vulnerable communities of color are. and i think it's important to note, because we've been talking a lot about low-income communities, but the average african-american family making $100,000 a year lives in a more disadvantaged neighborhood than

the average white family making $30,000 a year. so there really is still a racial disparity that we have to focus on. >> i want to bring in the councilman. one of the things that he noted in writing about this is despite the destruction on cable news, the public refused to face what was happening. she writes, video footage does not ensure justice. we're in a moment where we've heard a lot about the need to elevate issues, to have documentation, to have body cameras. what do you say to that concern? >> well, i mean, i have to say that there have been remarkable efforts into riding the ship. economic development is booming, retail restaurants are booming, people are coming to the city, it's repopulating at one of the fastest clips in the country, but we still haven't done enough, just as your other two guests have said. there's simply so much more to do. we've run two-thirds of a marathon. those last miles, we have to

have a new plan with how you're going to run those that you're not still living in sort of a triage scenario, but you've got to start making real plans to engage all of the residents. so in the midst of this economic boom, wages at the bottom are getting lower and wages at the top are getting higher, so the income disparity is growing even more. most of the folks that were not able to leave that you just saw in that footage couldn't leave because they were working poor families that did not have reliable transportation to leave. and so when we start talking about being prepared for another storm, we're still going to have that same issue because we still have that poverty issue. and this desperate treatment between how the police treat one neighborhood and another neighborhood, it's a poor issue. it affects poor white neighborhoods more, but it clearly is crushing the poor black neighborhoods. we've got to figure out a way to get real economic inclusion and that's what we're working on now. >> i suspect the president will talk about that when he heads

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musician darrell davis has crossed paths with some of the biggest names in rock and roll history. for the past three decades, the maryland resident has also been winning over some of the most notorious members of a very different audience, the ku klux klan. we went to his home in silver spring to find out why. ♪ >> my name is darrell davis. i'm a musician. i like performing rock and roll,

blues, country western, r&b. i pay whatever kind of music i'm paid to play. i never really learned about race as a smaller child. a lot of my youth was spent overseas as an american embassy brat. and i had no idea of what racism was. i don't think i even knew the word until i had my first racial incident, which was marching with the cub scouts. there was a parade, and as i was marching, the only black scout in this march, a group of white kids and white adults began throwing things. and i was getting hit. it was incomprehensible to someone who knew nothing about me would want to inflict pain upon me for no other reason than this, the color of my skin. so i formed this question in my mind, how can you hate me when you don't even know me? as an adult, having never gotten the answer, i decided to seek

the answer. i said, i'm going to go right to the ku klux klan and have them tell me. the encounter presented itself. i was playing in a country western bar. i had just joined this country band in 1983. i was walking across the dance floor and this white gentleman came up from behind and put his arm around my shoulder, and he says, hey, you know, i real like you all's music. he wanted to buy me a drink. then he announces this is the first time he ever sat down or had a drink with a black man. i said why? tell me. he looked at me plain as day and didn't crack a smile and said, i'm a member of the ku klux klan. there was his playing card. whoa, this thing is for real. he was very fascinated with me and wanted me to call him any time i came back to this bar with this band so he could bring his klan buddies. he came out and would bring klan

men and women to the bar and watch me play. years later i decided, i want to write a book and i want to go around the country and interview klan leaders and klan members and get their perspectives. i'll start right here in maryland, start with the head of the maryland klan. he agreed to interview with me. at the end of the interview, he told me to keep in touch. i said, i don't like what he stands for but i like him as a person. i am going to keep in contact with him. and he would invite me to some klan rallies, and i would go to these klan rallies, and i would watch the fight on the cross and they are kinds of things. we would even have dinner together. so here is the leader of the klan with his arch enemy, a black man, sitting down at the same table because he was beginning to see me, slowly, as perhaps a human being. and he began inviting me to his house. over time, mr. kelly and i became the best of friends.

and he quit the klan. when he quit the klan, i got his robe and hood. when mr. kelly left the klan, the klan in maryland fell apart. there were a couple other klan groups that tried to start up but none of them successfully. that doesn't mean there's no more racism in maryland, there's just no more organized racial organizations. i never set up to convert anybody, even today. but when the first klansman quit because of me, i thought, i'm on to something. over time, you know, becoming a friend of mine, they began rethinking their own idealogy themselves. and they come to the decision that, you know what? there's more to this world than being in the klan. i need to get out. and when they do, usually i'm responsible for it. some of them give me their roebz

a -- robes and hoods and different things. >> our thanks to daryl davis for the music featured in that piece. our producers asked daryl davis what kind of reaction he's received from other black people. he said he's been called every name in the book from uncle tomato sellout. he said, how many robes and hoods have you collected? that tends to shut them up, he says. >> that's one way to put it. >> i feel like this piece in this story proves the saying that you can't hate someone whose story you know. >> yeah, you see just the images that are so bracing, and obviously people are going to come to a lot of different views of how to deal with it, and that's a debate in religion that spans thousands of years. when do you turn the other cheek, when do you defend yourself, when do you confront hate? but his story, a story of music

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and snoop dogg. there is controversy that dr. dre didn't talk about his report -- history of abusing women. we want to look at some of the movie's triumphs who tweeted this after watching compton. damn, they got it right. the brilliant direction and the gorgeous cinematography, i was transported back. i saw the militarized battered rams. i was in the street riding the rodney king uprising, she tweets. he really did take you back to those tense and emotional moments in u.s. history. but it's possible the depiction of that history also mirrors many things going on right now. a couple weeks ago, the young actors in the film spoke to melissa harris-perry about their

experience of this issue. >> there is no way to watch that scene as if it's just historical, you have to watch it in the moment that is ferguson, that is texas, that is ohio. how much was that weighing on your minds as you were making it? >> heavily. heavily on our minds. there were days when we shot the detroit riots, when we shut down, i think, lower canyon boulevard in los angeles and shot those riots after the rodney king incident, and we would go home and those images that we were shooting were on the tv. >> those cultural images weighed heavily on a lot of our minds as we were watching the movie. the depiction of members being accosted outside their place of business might have drummed up memories of the young woman in mckinney, texas at the so-called pool incident. or the vehicles in response to l.a. riots looking eerily similar to riots last summer.

they are as true as compton or ferguson or boston today, and there are many race relations that people in power don't want to hear about. and forcing those issues whether it's through culture or politics or protest can be powerful even as it sparks a backlash in many powerful places. joining us now to discuss is joan morgan, author of when chickenheads come to roost, and entertainment editor at mbt.com. janet, i'm very excited to talk to both of you. let's start with the way this movie shows young black men who felt marginalized throughout their lives, stepping up and using music to punch back so powerfully that the police literally arrested them not for any other conduct but for their music. >> it really was that intersection of interracial justice that we saw with nwa. >> i think we're having a little trouble with your microphone. let me go to you, joan, and

we'll come back to you. sorry about that. >> i absolutely enjoyed the film, and as a native new yorker and news critic at the time, what was interesting to me was when she said she was transported back. i actually saw it around the corner at the apollo where cube had his first show. but being back in the past and have it so adequately mirror the present was eerie in the way f. gray was able to capture that. chuck d. said hip-hop was black america cnn. i think what people don't remember about that particular period of time is that as hip-hop hits, we had no idea what was going on in los angeles. like if you were east coast, you didn't know what was going on on the west coast, you didn't know what was going on in the south.

so we really had no idea that there was this level of police brutality and that black men were being marked in that way on the west coast because hip-hop for us was going back to cali with l.l. cool j. >> and it was only an issue because it was created by video. i want to look at another clip from the movie looking at police interactions. >> these clients of yours, these rappers, they look like gang members. you can't come down here and arrest people just because of what they look like. are you crazy? that's police harassment. >> you said you're a manager, right? you're not a lawyer. >> does that matter? you cannot come down here and arrest these guys because they're black. >> hip-hop was our social media back then, and in many ways, hip-hop was, to some degree, our black twitter back then. what nwa managed to capture in a way that was threatening, that

scared some white people, that scared some black people. i love the way f. gray found a way and a nuance to capture that. it's perfect timing. i also think it was very strategic. it was a marketing standpoint that we're going to use the platform the nwa had and show how it's still relevant today. it really kind of shook my soul how 1988-2015, it just mirrors exactly. if you go to the 1960s, you can get the same experience. >> i love what cube said in the film, he framed his work as a journalist. talking to another journalist i love that push there. up next, one of the glaring omissions from "straight outta compton." >> and an apology from dr. dre himself. you think about.

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aggression. it was hard to ignore the earlier raps in history. "straight outta compton" failed to address the artist and ex-fiance denise d. barnes and former label mate tyrrell dee. many addressed the film's narrative, but this week no voice seemed louder than dean barnes'. barnes, who was the host of the hip-hop show "pump it up," left the nwa and began feuding with his former colleagues. in 1991, barnes alleged the rapper attacked her in a hollywood club after expressing her anger over an interview with cube who had insulted nwa. the suit was settled out of court but it came up this week

after she shared her reaction to watching "straight outta compton." she wrote, when i was sitting there in the theater and the movie's timeline skipped by my attack without a glance, i was like, what happened? like many of the women that knew and worked with mwa, i found myself a casualty of straight outta compton's revisionist history. in a recent interview, she was asked to address her absence from the film. she said matter of factually, why would dre put me in it? because if they start from where they start from, i was just a quiet girlfriend who got beat up and told to sit down and shut up. the film's emissions started with an apology from dr. dre. he made a statement to the "new york times" on friday. it read, in part, i apologize to the women i hurt. i deeply regret what i did and know that it has forever impacted all of our lives. he continued by saying, 25 years

ago i was a young man drinking too much and over my head with no real structure in my life. however, none of this is an excuse for what i did. i'm doing everything i can so i never resemble that man again. well, dr. dre's apology feels like a long-a waited public acknowledgment of the stories dre, tyree and michaela has shared for years. it's important to note that dre's abusive past almost made it into the movie. the scene was cut from the final version because director f. gary gray wanted to create a film that focused entirely on the group. gray also said the script that included the scene was too long running almost three and a half hours. now, we're all hip-hop fans here and can respect the group of the harsh realities in "straight outta compton" but were the

parts left out of it just a little too real? i know who we had on yesterday challenged the filmmakers during a screening which is what kind of led to this emergence of the omission of dee barnes. why do you think it was not addressed? >> i think that -- first of all, i wasn't expecting to see it addressed. i think that one of the things that people forget about that time period is that the ratio of women's voices was so complete in hip-hop. a lot of what the film portrayed is what it felt like to be around at that time. and i feel like the only way that it could have been addressed is if dre himself has really dealt with and reckoned with and come to terms with his abuse that actually should have started with an apology to diaz opposed to the "new york times," but i'm happy to get whatever we got for sure. but he certainly would have been able to reach out to her now for years. in fairness, i think he has been

struggling with this for years, certainly as a journalist it's something i asked him after the incident, and i just feel like in so many cases of -- particularly with black men in highly visible black men and celebrities that their domestic violence is not only unchallenged but it also -- it's not helped in any way. i saw those actions being the actions of someone who is also sick and also needs some help. >> you're hitting such an important point, which is their inability to deal with it, push it out of the film. it's not because there wasn't time, it's because this film partly produced by people from nwa then didn't want to deal with it and now didn't want to deal with it. and by stifling it in a participatory era when there is pushback from dee and guacer aw

the internet, because now he's forced to face it and apple has to, too. yet this is still a problem in hip-hop. for people who love hip-hop, why is there this feeling that because we're talking about something that was marginalized and something unfairly attacked that there is this view you can't deal with things from hip-hop in that era should be attacked. which is a physical, reality-based problem in its treatment and depiction of women. >> that's a good point. here's the thing. you can appreciate an artist and still make them accountable for their actions. you can look at an artist and say, i like what they do but they should still be held accountable. i'm almost happy that the mysogeny was omitted because it made it a big deal. every person i know who walked in to see compton, they thought about the mysogeny. you decided to ignore it in

social media, and black people said this should not be ignored. >> i think one of the things that struck me is one of the first points of interracial violence was actually violence struck by dre's mother onto him which i found to be an interesting part of the retelling of this history. >> they had time for that. >> they had time for that. so how do fans, joan, because you wrote the book on being a feminist and enjoying and loving hip-hop, how did they reconcile their love of hip-hop with issues like mysogeny. >> hip-hop is part of the line in the sand where i felt like women had to -- or for myself as a feminist had to really be the ones responsible for bringing these issues to the table, not only just in journalism but to the culture. so i'm grateful for those opportunities. at the same time, i think

that -- i just want to say something about the scene that was omitted. the way that that scene was framed, dre -- dee barnes throws a drink in his face, and then dre attacks her, which is fictional. but they use a framing that's so contemporary like reality tv that basically says, well, she kind of deserved it because she threw a drink in his face. it's on so many pervasive levels that the screenplay doesn't want to deal with the mysogeny, the audience doesn't want to deal with the mysogeny. i think that's just been our job. i am on the record as saying i found nwa straight up demonic. i had real issues with them when they came out, but they also forced me to create hip-hop feminism, which is an important thing. >> and this idea -- ice cube has also said i never understood why

an upstanding lady would think we're talking about her in reference to some of these words. again, this double standard. we wouldn't say words that are derogatory based on race can just be used and then blame people for thinking it applied to them. why would we say that about gender? >> here's the thing that's the problem with the film. there are other stories there. cube's story with his wife kim is a beautiful story. he chose a partner that he saw as an intellectual equal, that he felt was a strong voice in his business, and i felt like that story, even telling that story about their relationship would have given the film another dimension. i just think they did not want to deal with gender at all. even the stronger images that are there. >> well, thank you so much, joan morgan, and clay cain, for being a part of this conversation. much more after this break. and her sensitive stomach didn't make things easier. it was hard to know why... the move...her food...?

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she was appointed to the personnel department. even as we celebrate her accomplishment, we must take note of another milestone, a much more somber one reached this past week. the killings of three trans women were reported over a 24-hour period. another was killed the following day. their deaths brings the total of killings of trans women in america this year to 17, according to the national coalition of anti-violence programs, a number that already exceeds last year's complete total. 15 of the 17 women killed were black and latin a. the 17 women were poppy edwards, she was found shot in a hotel parking lot in kentucky. she was only 20 years old. lamia was described as a kind

person who would give the shirt 06 her back. ty underwood, 24 years old. a nursing student who was shot in north tyler, texas. yazmin, 33 years old. she was stabbed in her los angeles apartment. her boyfriend turned himself in the next day. taja dejesus, 36 years old, she was stabbed in san francisco. she was active in her church and volunteered at her local food pantry. her mother recalls her as being, quote, beautiful inside and out. penny proud, 21 years old was shot multiple times in new orleans, in what police believe to be a robbery. kristina, the talented performer was found stabbed in her own home in miami. london chanel, 21 years old, she was stand in philadelphia. her roommate confessed to the crime. mercedes williamson, 17 years old, her body was found buried in rocky creek, alabama.

mercedes aspired to be a cosmetologist. ashton was 25 years old and was found stabbed and run over by a car in a detroit park. amber was shot in the same detroit park at o'hara, just two weeks later. friends describe amber as charismatic and outgoing. she loved to dance. india was found beaten to death in a tampa, florida, park. loved ones remember her as loving, confident and happy person. k.y. was 66 years old. she was stabbed on the street in fresno, california. she was just becoming active in her local trans community. shade schuler, 22 years old, her body was found in a filled in dallas. kandis was shot in phoenix. her mother remembers her as a beautiful loving person. elisha walker, 20 years old, she was missing for almost a year

when her body was found in johnston county, north carolina, last week. tamara was run over by a driver repeatedly in kansas city. loved ones who call her sweet and generous, and they said she loved to cook. these women are more than just a compilation of names and ages and stories of violence and trauma. they were people. people living at a vulnerable intersection of race, gender and class, in a culture where they fell in between the cracks of racial justice, and lgbt movements. people's names who are only spoken by the majority of us when they can only respond. we learn their stories and say their names, not out of obligation, but out of recognition that these 17 women had value, had purpose, and were loved. and they will be missed. that is our program for today. melissa will be back next week. in the meantime, you can catch

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