at the top of the hour, breaking news, everyone. at any moment we're expecting to hear from the three american heroes who foiled that apparent terror attack on a passenger train in france. you're looking at a live picture right now of the american ambassador's residence, where the three will meet with the media any moment now. we'll bring that to you as soon as it gets under way. meantime, hello, everybody, welcome to "weekends with alex witt." we'll bring you the live remarks when they happen. there are a number of developments in the story at this hour, including new video, which shows what happened right after the three americans helped

foil this attack. this train was bound for paris. french authorities say the 26-year-old suspect has been identified as a security threat. that happened last year, because they were told by spanish authorities that he had ties to the radical islam movement. joining me from london is kelly. as we await this media availability of the three heroes, the suspect's attorney is offering a different explanation for his alleged actions, right? >> yeah, we're hearing all sorts of interesting and conflicting information, alex. this woman who met with him in france, where he was arrested, said that the suspect is dumbfounded by these accusations of a terrorist attack. he apparently told her he found a bag of weapons in a park in brussels, and decided to rob a train to buy foods. food. that is not the kind of aspect that french investigators are looking at.

they suspect this was an attack, a clear attack on a packed train. and here's now more on the 26-year-old suspect. new information emerging this morning about the man accused of attacking that train headed for paris. belgium's chief prosecutor telling nbc news his name is ayoub el khazzani. this morning he's being questioned by french counterterrorism authorities. nbc news has not confirmed the reports, and the french interior minister cautioned against speculation. this morning, the three friends whose european vacation took such a dramatic turn, are together again in paris. anthony sadler, alek scarlatos,

and spencer stone. top military brass visited stone in the hospital saturday where he underwent surgery. >> they're actually able to reattach that portion that was pretty severely cut. i'm very proud of them. i'm happy he's alive. >> reporter: alive and already recovering. stone was released saturday afternoon with a smile and a wave. we understand that stone's parents are meeting him in paris. as you say, alex, we're now waiting to hear from spencer stone for the first time, as well as his two friends. the three of them simply on vacation in europe, meeting there to tour parts of europe when this extraordinary event happened on the train. there you see them in front of the cameras, alex. >> they are indeed at the ambassador jane hartley's

residence there at the u.s. embassy there in paris. we are watching all three of them get ready to face the media. something they never expected to be doing 48 hours ago when they were embarking on this journey together, traveling there to paris. kelly, as i keep you here to join in our coverage of this media availability, i also want to bring in colonel jack jacobs, a man who knows all too well about heroism, having served with dignity in the army. ke colonel, when you talk about what they did, they say it was instant. it's got to be a lot more than that. it's shear bravery. >> it's tremendous bravery. when i was in combat, i was armed. these guys weren't armed. this demonstrates the real deep down values that these people had. they saw that something had to be done. and they were the guys who were going to do it. because nobody else was going to

do it. it's a perception in combat, something has to be done and you better do it or nobody else will. >> colonel and kelly, let's listen in. we have ambassador jane hartley speaking now. here we go, everyone. >> i want to start by thanking president alan and the people of france for their heart-felt outpouring of support and concern for these young men. i also extend my thanks to the french authorities, doctors, nurses, and everyone who took such good care of them after the attack. we often use the word hero, and in this case i think that word has never been more appropriate. i know these young men sitting with me won't like it, because even in the brief period we've known each other, they are so

humble. but they are truly heroes. as president obama said during his phone call with president hollande last night, these three brave americans, and the british passengers, demonstrated remarkable bravery. and acting without regard for their own safety. in order to subdue a heavily armed individual who appeared intent on causing mass casualties. when most of us would run away, spencer, alek and anthony ran into the line of fire. saying, let's go. and those words changed the fate of many. i also, of course, commend the other passengers, french and british, who displayed equal

heroism in confronting the assaila assailant. and i add my personal thanks and gratitude to these young men who demonstrated the very best of america through their selfless actions. as a representative of my country, as an american, and as a mother of a son not much older than you, i am so proud to be sitting here with you. thank you so much. and now we will take a couple of questions, and i'm going to let mike, who is standing to my right, call on you. and thank you so much for being here. >> thank you, ma'am. the ambassador did say a couple questions. i have one mobile microphone, so

bear with me, i'll get it to you as quick as i can. please identify yourself, state your question, direct it to one of the gentlemen if you'd like, or they can decide who will take it. may i have a show of hands? maggie, can we start with you? bear with me. here's the microphone. >> [ inaudible ]. can you describe from the moment you left your seat and what prompted you to react the way that you did? >> it's kind of a long story. but i just kind of woke up from the middle of a deep sleep, and alek was sitting next to me, anthony was across to my right side. and i turned around and i saw he had what looked to be an ak-47 and it looked like it was jammed, or not working, and he was trying to charge the weapon, and alek hit me on the shoulder and said let's go.

we went down, tackled him. we hit the ground. alek came up and took the gun out of his hand while i put him in a choke hold. he kept pulling more weapons, left and right. pulled out a handgun. alek took that. he took out a box cutter, started stabbing at me with that. we let go. all three of us started punching him while he was in the middle of us. i was able to grab him again. and choke him unconscious while alek was hitting him in the head with the pistol, or rifle, i can't really remember. but that's pretty much what happened. >> [ inaudible ]. >> survival. to survive, and for me friends and everyone else on the train to make it. >> please identify yourself, sir. >> charlie agate, cbs news. spencer, has it sunk in yet what

has happened? have you thought about what may have happened if you hadn't intervened? >> no, it hasn't at all. it feels very unreal. it feels like a dream. i don't really know what to say. >> alek, have you thought about the consequences of what would have happened if you hadn't acted? >> well, yeah. i mean, the guy had a lot of ammo. his intentions were pretty clear. we can speculate all day long. i mean, like spencer said, it hasn't really sunk in. it doesn't really seem real. that's the best i can answer the question, i guess. >> all right. identify yourself, please. >> sure. david wright with abc news. spencer, i gather that after you were injured, you rendered first aid to one of the passengers who was injured. can you tell me what you were able to do for him and how is he doing. >> well, i didn't even -- in my

finger, i knew i was bleeding, but i didn't know it was that bad. i just went over, saw he was squirting blood out of the left or right side of his neck. and i was going to use my shirt at first, but i realized that wouldn't have worked, so i just stuck two of my fingers in the hole. found what i thought to be the artery, pushed down and the bleeding stopped. so i said thank god and held that position until the paramedics got there. >> next question. don't be shy, please. yes, ma'am. stand and identify yourself, please. >> thank you very much. hello. i'm nancy from abc news. spencer, alek or anthony, can you tell me at what point the gunshot went off? was it during the struggle, and was it a stray bullet or was it deliberately aimed at someone? and have you sort of digested the magnitude of the reaction to all of this for your heroic actions? thank you.

>> the gunshot was probably the first noise i heard. and then it was followed by breaking glass. the gunshot was one of the -- pretty much the first thing that came to our attention. i didn't know it was a gunshot at the time. like the first thing i heard. it was behind me, so i had no idea where he was aiming at or what he intended to do. but yeah, that was the first thing that happened. >> and your reaction -- [ inaudible ], like twitter, like social media? >> no, personally i thought they were going to let us go after questioning. >> [ inaudible ]. >> initially, kind of after it happened, i kind of knew, realized the magnitude. i didn't quite understand that

all this would happen. but i knew that it was something very serious, because we were traveling internationally, and my two friends are off-duty military, so i just knew -- i knew it would be bigger than just the initial investigation, but i had no idea it would be like this. >> next question preferably from one of my french colleagues. yes, sir? identify yourself, please. hold the microphone very close. >> thanks for what you did. and my question is very simple. the french minister will start to act. could you just tell us when you saw this guy, and tell us about this guy? and my second question is, what are you going to do right now? and when are you going back to america? thank you. >> i'm sorry, can you repeat the

first question, please? >> sorry. the french minister talked about the french guy, his first act just before you. they talked about this guy. and i would like you to describe if you have any information about this french guy, or what he did really. and when are you going back to america? and what are you going to do? thank you. >> i personally don't have a lot of information on him, but i heard that he started the struggle at first. i feel like he deserves a lot of the credit, because if it wasn't for him, maybe it could have been way different. and i don't know when i'm going back. i know my friend anthony should be going back shortly. and me and alek and my family and his family should be heading to somewhere in germany for medical care, and then from there, we don't know. >> next question, sylvia.

>> sylvia rothman, french television. thank you for what you did. for those people who are watching this around the world, because that's what it is, is there a lesson that you would want to convey, maybe for yourselves, and for others? i realize it hasn't quite sunken in as you said, but if you have a thought for other -- what lesson they might gain from that? >> these are my friends, and i was the third one to get up. and i just want the lesson to be learned that basically in times of crisis like that, i would want it to be learned that basically to do something. hiding or sitting back is not going to accomplish anything.

and the gunman would have been successful if my friend, spencer, had not gotten up. i just want that lesson to be learned going forward in times of, like, terror like that, to please do something. don't just stand by and watch. >> [ inaudible ]. i would like to know if you have news of the man you helped in the train, and he's a french-american guy who is in the hospital. >> when i was talking to him on the ground, he said he was from virginia. but from the information i have, he seems to be doing well and he should have a full recovery, and surgery soon. so we're glad that he's going to be alive. >> sam? >> i also spoke to his wife yesterday, and he's doing pretty well. >> i was wondering if you guys

could tell me, talking about what the lesson was. spencer and alek, did your training at all help in being able to assess the situation and act quickly, and in your state of awareness that other people should have in situations like this? and could you describe the assailant, what he looked like? >> well, i feel our training mostly kicked in after the assailant was already subdued, frankly. when it came to medical care and things like that. and providing security, making sure there wasn't another shooter. but in the beginning, it was mostly just gut instincts, survival, like spencer said. what was the other part? i'm sorry. describe him? >> your state awareness that you had in this situation.

>> not necessarily. i didn't really have much of a state of awareness. it wasn't really a conscious decision. we just kind of acted. there wasn't much thinking going on, at least on my end. i don't know about them. spencer? >> no, not at all. >> can you describe him? >> he was about -- do you want to help me out? he was skinny, like 160, 170. >> about 5'10". yeah, pretty skinny. he never said a word. he just basically came in, and when he entered the car, we saw him cocking the ak-47. so at that time it was either do something or die. >> he was shirtless? >> he was shirtless, yeah. >> yes, ma'am? >> [ inaudible ]? >> we have to follow the rules. >> mary ann. i have two yes.

one is we hear you weren't even supposed to be in the carriage, is that right? and the second one is, that the gunman has spoken to his lawyer and said he had no terrorist intentions, that he didn't even fire a shot, and that he was a homeless man out to rob people. i wonder what your reactions are to that? thank you. >> well, we had first-class tickets to the carriage where the incident took place. and we were sitting in a different carriage because we couldn't find it at first. we decided to get up because the wi-fi wasn't so good in that car, and we had first class, we might as well sit in first class. so we just decided to go to the car about a half hour into the train ride. and to the point that he was just trying to rob the train, it doesn't take eight magazines to rob a train. >> next question, please? >> yes, sir.

"people" magazine. for the three of you, you are all from sacramento, you've been friends for a very long time. does that back story work into the fact that you get woken up and you go, because you had trust in alek's decision? >> well, i trust both my friends very much. if it wasn't for them, i would have been dead. so we all had a critical role in what happened. and everyone else that helped, the conductor, the guys at the bathroom. everyone played their own part. no one specifically is to praise, i feel like. >> for me personally, i don't know what i would have done if i was by myself. i don't know. i saw spencer get up, i saw alek get up, and those are my close friends, so i couldn't let them go alone. that's totally the whole reason i got up out of my seat. >> i'd also like to say thanks to chris for helping us out. he helped tie the gunman up. and he also was very helpful

afterwards as well. just because he spoke both languages. >> i have to ask these fellows. are you doing all right? can you take a couple more? >> that's fine. >> next question, please. yes, ma'am? >> [ inaudible ]. can you describe what kind of state you were in? >> i can't really tell you. he seemed like he was ready to fight to the end, so were we. >> let me get the microphone to you first.

>> we heard this man might have had flammable liquid with him. when you went through his satchel, did you see anything that resembled that? >> i went through his satchel, and there was nothing, just magazines, and, like, a few little things in the front. there was no container of liquid or anything like that. >> all right. let's try to limit it to two more. is that fair? yes, sir. >> thanks. michael burnbaum from the "washington post." spencer and alek, i wanted to ask you based on your military training, as you saw the shooter operating the guns, did he seem to be trained, did he seem to know what he was doing? and could he have inflicted more

damage? >> yes, he clearly had no firearms training whatsoever. and yes, if he knew what he was doing, or even just got lucky and did the right thing, he would have been able to operate through all eight of those magazines and we all would have been in trouble. and probably wouldn't be here today, along with a lot of other people. >> yes, sir? >> you are about to be welcomed by several french prime ministers, and belgian prime minister. [ inaudible ]. >> it feels pretty crazy. i never thought i would be here in this position, so it's unreal, like i said before. >> me personally, i'm still waiting to wake up. this is all seems like a movie

scene or something. like he said, the word to describe it is pretty unreal. >> thank you very much, gentlemen. please join me in giving -- yes? you have something to say? >> i want to say to the french people, you people have been more than kind, and the medical staff and cops and everyone. the surgical team that reattached my thumb and my tendo tendons, nerves, thank you. all the nurses, techs, paramedics, they were great. so thank you. >> the police, too, they took care of us for the day or two we were there. we really appreciate that. >> thank you very much. >> thanks, everybody. [ applause ] >> i'll tell you, if that's not a representation right there of the best of the best, three young men making us proud to be americans today. these 22 and 23-year-old men. they were childhood friends, planning a couple weeks vacation together, cruising through care-free manners through europe

and just exploring. they were earlier talking about how they were going to find a place for dinner in paris. it's about 6:00 p.m. there right now, i'm sure they'll have a lovely dinner tonight together. i'm joined by kelly cobbier. i'm curious about the reaction through europe. how extraordinary is this being received? >> oh, alex, i mean, there are messages, of course, from world leaders, from european leaders about these three young men, about their bravery, thanking them for acting, commending their absolute bravery, and taking their lives into their own hands to really get this situation under control. it's extraordinary. and not just from world leaders and european leaders, but also from the public. you see on a lot of the message boards, on stories about these young men, thank you, what wonderful americans, you know, they took action when someone really needed to stand up and do

something. thank god they were there to do it. so it's really been an extraordinary reaction across europe, i think. and the world. >> yeah. >> alex, i did want to mention a little bit about the medical training that spencer stone had. his dad told us he was actually a trained paramedic, had intermediate training as a paramedic, and was, therefore, able to deal with that trauma wound with an artery wound. >> he knew exactly what he was looking for. he talked about plugging it up with two fingers. that's exactly what he had to do to stop the bleeding. that training certainly came in handy. colonel jack, i don't want to overlook the 62-year-old british man by the name of chris norman. he said he saw things going, and he leapt into action himself. and he said it was a team effort. and he said, i would rather die trying to save myself and others than just sit there and be shot. so he joined with these

militarily trained, at least two of them, young men. how important do you think the military training was in something like this? or when you look at a man like mr. norman, he got there, got on instinct and did whatever he could as well. >> well, he's a high-quality guy, obviously. but the military training is very, very important here. the kinds of notions that you see that motivated these men to act, exactly those kinds of notions that you have in a military unit, in the middle of combat. anybody will tell you that -- we've seed this many times before, but this proves it, you fight to accomplish the mission, and you fight for the country. but most of all, you fight for each other. and we saw that in the actions of these people, including their british friend. really quite extraordinary. demonstrates what happens when people do the right thing, even in circumstances in which it's extremely difficult. >> colonel jack jacobs, thank you so much. kelly, you as well from london. thank you both. coming up, everyone, jimmy

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president obama, which i stand by. but i didn't do it right. i didn't handle it right. and so we patched things up. we've had long conversations with both of them. i'm supporting her now. >> over in the republican camp, the talk this weekend is all about immigration, with donald trump's controversial proposals, forcing his fellow candidates to join in. >> i think birth right citizenship as a policy matter doesn't make sense. we have right now upwards of 12 million people living here illegally. it doesn't make any sense that our law automatically grants citizenship to their children. because what it does is it incentivizes additionally illegal immigration. >> let's go to jim harwood, political writer for "the new york times". good to see you, john. >> hello. >> how significant is that? >> bill richardson is a longtime public servant, member of the

house of representatives of the he was governor. served in the clinton administration. but i don't think too many voters are going to take their queues from what bill richardson says about hillary clinton. >> the endorsement comes a day after the vice president met with elizabeth warren, so joe biden and warren, they're meeting about what we're not 100% certain. may he be sending a message to joe biden? >> maybe. the campaigns like to manage the rollout of endorsements at moments where they think they get a little boost. this is a moment where hillary clinton's under stress because of the e-mail campaign, because of the speculation about joe biden. she's seen her poll numbers decline in certain respects after a tremendous amount of coverage of the e-mail controversy. so a little story like this is something that pops into the positive column. but it's not all that consequential. >> let's take a look at the gop

now. i want to ask you about the new article in your paper that tries to deminute fi the trump appeal by talking to some voters and looking at other polling. what was your major takeaway? >> i think donald trump is someone who is appealing on the basis of emotion, personality. the sense that voters have that they want somebody strong to take control of a country that's changing in ways they may not like, and the economy that's not rewarding them in ways that they may not like. he does have some appeal across demographic groups. although he does better with less educated voters. the real question, though, is going to be, how does he do when we get to the more serious phase of the process, when people are moving out of the, as david axelrod called in one story today, the beauty pageant, or sim suit part of the competition to the part where the voters take more seriously.

>> scott walker, you spoke to him about donald trump's to end the birth right citizenship. let's take a listen to part of that. >> it looks like you're pretty intimidated by donald trump. >> i don't think so at all. you guys talked about him. you might be intimidated -- >> he came out the other day and said get rid of birth right citizenship and you came out later and said -- >> i said what he's talking about, i talked about months ago. i talked about securing the border, enforcing the laws, going forward in a way that stood up and said we're not going to be for amnesty. >> the distance between the citizenship and ending birth right citizenship is pretty great. he's the one who pushed you to that last step. >> no, in both of those instances, what i've said, i pointed out, i did a 3 1/2-hour gaggle, bits and peoples

interrupting as we were talking questions along the way, i don't think any of those issues can be addressed until you can secure the border and enforce the laws. >> people are misunderstanding -- >> i'm saying that until you secure the border, and enforce the laws, any discussion about anything else is really looking past the very things we have to do. >> so, john, what did you make of the governor's response overall to your questions? and do you think he has better survivability as the gop field thins? >> you mean donald trump or scott walker? >> scott walker. >> you know, scott walker is beginning to be tested in a way that he hasn't been tested in his political career previously, as governor of michigan or milwaukee county executive. i think you saw a politician there under stress. we saw it all week. when he was out in iowa, donald trump released his plan. he was taking questions. he seemed to indicate, and

several reporters all took this conclusion who were with him, that he was with trump on getting rid of birth right citizenship. the 14th amendment. all the things that go along with that. by the time he got to the end of the week, he seemed not to want to go there. and there have been reports that his donors have been pressing him and saying, hey, we don't like some of the things you're doing, we want you to show more passion, but we don't want you to go too far on social issues. so he says in response to me, i'm not taking a position one way or the other. he got hammered for that during the course of the day on friday. today when he was on with george stephanopoulos on this week, he was asked, do you want to get rid of the 14th amendment? he said no. so i think he's somebody who's been buffetted by the shifting winds on this argument and he's going to have to show to be effective in the long run more steadiness on issues. >> who do you think drops out first in the gop field? >> well, you've got a bunch of

people who, from the get-go, don't seem to have any recognizable path to the nomination. i'm talking about people like george pe taataki, jindal, doin poor at home in louisiana, rick perry is having trouble raising money, lindsey graham doesn't seem to be making much of a dent in the polls. you have people in the race who nobody really expects to win the nomination. then you've got some who once were seen as very prominent, chris christie, for example, who is struggling to get traction. donald trump has taken the space that chris christie wanted to occupy, which is the blunt-spoken tough guy. chris christie can't hold a candle to what donald trump is doing. for the people in the long run, i think you're looking at jeb bush, you're looking at scott walker, marco rubio, maybe john kasich, maybe mike huckabee,

because he has the evangelicals, and maybe ted cruz who also does. but this field is going to thin. it hasn't yet. we didn't have an iowa straw poll, which served that function in the past. we do have a series of debates. i think those are going to have the effect, as you see people not getting on the debate stage, that's going to impact their ability to raise money and stay in the race. >> you did not mention donald trump in those that hang in there long term. >> look, donald trump has got money, and he's doing very well in the polls right now. but how is donald trump going to feel when we get to the portion of the race when people are actually casting ballots? when they get to that point and looking more seriously at him than now, and he starts losing, does he want to stay in the race in that circumstance? if he loses a couple of early primaries, is that going to feel good to him, as good as what he's doing right now? is he really going to be willing to lay out a massive amount of dough to try to counteract that? i'm skeptical.

>> okay. john harwood, always good to talk to you, my friend. thank you so much. >> you bet. >> joining me, longtime republican strategist and recently departed trump campaigner, roger stone. do you still support trump for president? >> absolutely. i've been trying to get donald trump to run for president since 1988. i have always preferred he run as an independent, as a third-party candidate. i think the two-party doopoly needs to challenge the system, what i think is a broken system. and i do supported him three years ago, wanted him to run against mitt romney. i thought he would have been a much better candidate than governor romney. and i support him today. i think he's the only one with the independence and the courage and the passion to take on what i think is a broken system. >> roger, you just heard john harwood talking there. my last question to him was, did he see donald trump in it for

the long haul. trumpism suggests in these pollings is an attitude, not an ideology. how much can donald trump's passion and attitude take him through maneuvering the political waters, and the nitty-gritty of washington, and all that is on the president's shourds and on that desk in the oval office? >> i think passion is very important in politics. now, donald has a book out this week called "time to get tough," which is completely up to date. if you want to know where he stands on job creation or terrorism or veterans administration, or immigration, it's all there in his book. a campaign is about laying out your positions. he just laid out a very provocative and bold immigration -- >> debate is healthy, roger, but much of the debate has been about how unlikely and how

unrealistic his proposals are, just from the basic financial standpoint. >> the same people who said that were the ones who said he would never run and file his financials. i find it interesting that ted cruz and temporarily governor walker and the other candidates have come in and endorsed the trump position. i think that tells you a lot about the strength of trump's immigration position within the context of the republican party. remember, you have to get nominated before you can run in the general election. >> trump seems to be tapping into a real sense of anger with the status quo. what potential voters see as the elite establishment. but how do you reconcile having a billionaire born into a real estate dynasty portray him as the every man and elitism candidate and appeal to everybody on a very populist nature that tway? >> because it is his very financial independence that allows him to challenge the system. in other words, he doesn't need the lobbyists. he doesn't need the koch

brothers. he doesn't need a billionaire to finance his super pac. he is a billionaire. he doesn't need the special interests. he doesn't need the special pleaders. i think voters are very angry. they see a broken system. they blame both parties. they figured out both parties are in it together, which they are, and they're looking for somebody with not only the big picture, commitment to reform, but the personal independence to get it done. in trump they see a can-do guy. so all the critics say you can't do it, you can't do it, you can't do it, trump says it can be. america can be made great again. i think that's why he's having this enormous resonance. >> roger, when he was asked exactly how he was going to deport every undocumented immigrant, his only answer was good management and hiring the right people. at what point does his rhetoric have to translate into facts and policies and organized execution of his plan?

>> that's a question that only the voters can answer. he's got to lay it out, and the voters can decide for themselves whether it can be done. i think his confidence, his self-confidence is one of the things that is propelling him. people believe trump. why? because he's gotten things done. he unlike all these other career politicians, he has created thousands of jobs, for example. so the number one issue in the country, being the economy, being a businessman, being from outside politics, i think is what brings enormous strength to his position in the race. >> i want to ask you on the flip side of the aisle there, i know you've never been a big fan of hillary clinton, but you did write during the 2008 campaign, quote, she has demonstrated true grit and nixonian traits. >> i've seen this movie before. it reminds me of watergate. the only difference is, she destroyed the evidence and nixon did not destroy the tapes.

if he had destroyed the tapes when john connelly, for example, urged him to, i think he would have survived. i guess what i was saying there is, she's not going to drop out, no matter how bad it gets, and it's going to get much worse. clearly barack obama and valerie jarrett will decide whether she's indicted or not. they'll insist that it isn't a political decision. but it is. like watergate, every week there's a new lie. first there were no classified documents, and then there were only three, now the "washington post" says there's as many as 60. this is a tarbaby, and she is stuck. it's not going to get better. she says as she moves around, voters don't bring this up. but that's because it's reflected in her lack of -- in their perception of her lack of honesty and trustworthiness. it's a major problem. >> roger, i do want to say on behalf of the hillary clinton campaign, she said she still did not receive or send any sensitive or classified information on her e-mail and said it's all about timing, when

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let's go back to politics, and hillary clinton's e-mail situation. california governor jerry brown, a supporter of clinton, weighed in this morning on "meet the press." >> this e-mail business has a

certain buzz that keeps buzzing. and i have a hard time figuring out why is it such a big deal? but it is, and she'll have to use her best imagination and adroitness to deal with it. so these are things that happen still very early. i hope that she can get beyond this. because i think as a matter of fact and ethics and policy, these e-mails are not what the pundits are what they think they are. >> joining me is a political analyst, and robert, msnbc contributor, former bush/cheney senior adviser. do you think hillary clinton supporters are in denial on this e-mail matter? they are not conceding any error on the part of the former secretary. >> i think that the bottom line here is that "the new york times" has come out with three stories this year that

recklessly declare hillary clinton has violated some sort of law. then they walked back all three of those stories. sure, there are people who support hillary clinton who may be taking a moment of pause. but i think the fact that the stories in sort of the core of the stories have fallen apart, i think that now we're simply just saying, look, this is going to be a tough race going forward. and hillary clinton is up to the challenge. i don't think that she's sort of new to this kind of controversy, and this level of scrutiny being placed upon her. so i just think that most folks in her camp think that she's going to be able to weather this. i just don't think there's any "there" there. a lot of smoke, not any fire. >> let's hear to what howard dean said this morning on "meet the press." >> this is manufactured partly by a press that's bored and partly by the republicans. i look at this as the usual press frenzy, the pac journalism. i think it will go away because

there's no substance to it. >> how do you explain this rigid stance in the clinton defenders? >> i think it's interesting here. i disagree with what governor dean said a few moments ago and my counterpart said a few moments ago as well. we know a federal judge said, quote, we wouldn't be here, end quote, if in fact secretary clinton would have used her official e-mail. we also know the facts keep changing here and shifting, whether or not it was classified or not classified e-mails. we also know that the fbi has asked for the server, and quite frankly if secretary clinton would have forwarded the server a couple of months ago, perhaps maybe this would have died down. i think the clinton campaign has not really handled this very well, in all due respect. look at secretary clinton's comments in las vegas late last week when she made light of this, it kind of adds to this whole drama, if you will. two things, one, the clinton campaign has not done a very good job of handling this, and two, it creates this larger

narrative, if you will, in americans' minds. what do you believe, secretary clinton? are you telling us the truth? because we simply do not know. >> to your point exactly, zerlena, there was a video fact checking what republicans and media outlets have said about the secretary. does that help? >> i think every single time you can put out facts and say, look, what's being reported, sure, it looks bad from the outside on the surface, but if you look down into the facts, and you look at all three of "the new york times" reports, that have since -- "the new york times," the public editor all three times has come out and said there were flaws in the reporting. i think there is certainly concern when you're talking about the paper record. but if the reporting doesn't back up the fact that she broke the law. to robert's point about her breaking the law, the two previous secretary of states did the exact same thing, yet there is no concern there. other people that are running

for president, rubio, jeb bush, did this with the private e-mail servers. i think there's a double standard against hillary clinton, and people on the other side running for president as well. >> may i respond to that? >> really quick. >> quickly, two things, number one, from what we know jeb bush and some of the others did not have classified e-mail on their servers, including colin powell. what the judge said here, we wouldn't be here if the secretary would have used official e-mails. those are just the facts. those are not "the new york times," that's a federal judge saying that. >> i was going to ask you guys about joe biden, but now we don't have time. we'll have you back to talk about that. thank you. good to see you. former president jimmy carter teaching sunday school just three days after starting cancer treatment. what he had to say about his health in our next hour. why are you deleting these

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in times of terror like that, to please do something. don't just stand by and watch. >> the american heroes, their stories in their own words. the suspect, his lawyer tries to explain the gunman's alleged actions. can anyone really believe it? air disaster. a deadly show-stopper. what went so wrong? and is it too late for vice president biden? hello, everyone, welcome to "weekends with alex witt." just a bit past 1:00 p.m. here in the east, 10:00 a.m. out west. we'll start more from the dramatic news conference one hour ago with the three american heroes in the train attack. while the world is praising their acts of bravery, here's their reaction to what they did. >> it feels pretty crazy. i never thought i would be here in this position.

so it's unreal, like i said before. >> me personally, i'm still waiting to wake up. this all seems like a movie scene or something. like he said, the word to describe it is pretty unreal. >> joining me from london, kelly. i came away so impressed with them, and so proud to call them fellow americans. what was it like for you hearing from these three men? >> well, i sort of feel for them, to be honest. they've had quite an intense 48 hours, slightly more than that by now. you can imagine they'd like a break. maybe a little trip to a restaurant and just some down time at this point. these three americans, they were just incredible in this press conference. they spoke to reporters for about 15 minutes, taking questions, very humble, describing what happened on the train that friday night. spencer stone, the man who acted first, said he was actually in a deep sleep when his friend, alek

skarlatos, woke him up and pointed out the gunman. >> my friend alek was sitting next to me. anthony was across to my right side. he had what looked to be an ak-47, and it looked like it was jammed and wasn't working, and he was trying to charge the weapon. alek just hit me on the shoulder and said, let's go. we ran down, tackled him. we hit the ground. alek came up and grand the gun out of his hand while i put him in a chokehold. it seemed like he kept pulling more weapons left and right, pulled a handgun out, took out a box cutter, started jabbing at me with that. we let go. all three of us started punching him while he was in the middle of us. and i was able to grab him again, and choke him unconscious while alek was hitting him in the head with the pistol, or

rifle, i can't really remember. but that's pretty much what happened. other than my finger, i didn't really feel any of my other injuries. i knew i was bleeding, but i didn't know they were that bad. i went over and saw he was squirting blood out of the left or right side of his neck. i was going to use my shirt at first, but i realized that wouldn't work, so i just stuck two of my fingers in his hole, found what i thought to be the artery, pushed down, and the bleeding stopped. so i just said thank god and held that position until the paramedics got there. >> i was the third one to get up. and i just, like, want the lesson to be learned that, basically in times of crisis like that, i would want it to be learned to basically do something. hiding or sitting back is not going to accomplish anything. and the gunman would have been successful if my friend, spencer, had not gotten up.

i just want that lesson to be learned going forward. in times of, like, terror like that, to please do something. don't just stand by and watch. >> alek skarlatas and spencer stone are in the military. skarlatos trained in the national guard as a rifleman. stone has extensive paramedic training and was trained to treat traumatic wounds. so that definitely came in useful in treating that gunshot victim, alex. when asked about the report that the suspect wasn't there to kill people, but just to rob the train, the men said, you don't need that much ammunition to rob a train. so clearly not a theory that carried much weight with them. alex, their whirlwind trip is not over. they're set to meet with the french president tomorrow morning. >> they're able to have terrific breakfast with him, you never know. anthony sadler in particular,

he's not officially militarily trained. i read that he is a senior sacramento state university. have we heard anything about his plans? is he just going back to school pretty soon? or have we heard? >> from what i understand, from what he said during the press conference, he's headed back to the united states, while his two buddies are going to stay in europe for a little while longer. i believe some of that is simply for medical reasons. of course, airman stone is still active duty military. so he still has a job to do. but i believe from what i've heard from sadler, he's headed back to the united states. unfortunately, that lovely trip to europe cut short for him. but i imagine the three of these -- these three young men will be taking another holiday together soon. >> i hope they do. thank you so much, kelly, in london. let's go to politics. a surprising endorsement for hillary clinton from former governor bill richardson, who seven years ago had a public

split with the clintons over his endorsement with president obama, and who just announced they made up. >> we patched things up with both clintons, secretary clinton and president clinton. for seven years there was hostility. when i did the endorsement of president obama. which i stand by. but i didn't do it right. i didn't handle it right. and so we patched things up. we've had long conversations with both of them. i'm supporting her now. >> in a new interview this morning, republican candidate governor scott walker doubled down on hillary clinton saying she risked national security. >> i don't think americans can trust her. every day we see more about the e-mails, about national security, she put my national security at risk, she's put your national security at risk. hillary clinton would be a pretty good deceiver in chief. >> donald trump speaking this morning, he went further back in

his attack on the democrats today. >> people want to see real change, not obama change. he used the word change. his change was a bad change. they want to see proper change. they want to see great change. they want to see our country be great again. >> there could be a new challenger to hillary clinton, and the other democratic contenders for the 2016 presidential nomination. joe biden, speculation being fueled by an announcement, actually unannounced meeting yesterday which we found out about between the vice president and senator elizabeth warren. "the new york times" reports the vice president made it clear he is considering entering the race. kristen welker is at martha's vineyard, where the current president is on vacation. kriten, what have you heard about what the vice president may be planning? >> reporter: well, i know that vice president biden has been talking to his supporters, and allies, and family members for the past several weeks, as he mulls a potential run. alex, the reason why the meeting with senator elizabeth warren is

significant, because it's our clearest signal yet that he's clearly considering it. she could be key to getting progressives onboard if he throws his hat in the ring. there is a broader context here. secretary clinton is still the strong democratic front-runner. but one cnn poll showed 53% of the democrats want biden to get into the race. the arguments for him getting into the race, there are a lot of democrats getting jittery because of the e-mail scandal. vice president biden has long wanted to be president, he's run twice before. so this is something that is really in his heart and in his soul. the flip side, alex, is that it is getting late. some democrats say he could be viewed as being divisive to the party. there's a very personal reason that he's dealing with, which is, i am told by folks talking to him, that he's still very much grieving and in pain of course over the loss of his son beau who passed away in may. this is something he deals with on a daily basis.

one democrat saying he's not clear if vice president biden has it in him to run for president. he has initially said he's going to make a decision at the end of summer. i'm told that timeline could be pushed back as he determines how secretary clinton weathers this e-mail controversy. >> kristen welker, thank you for that. who are the people urging vice president biden to run for president? we're going to get a better idea of that when i speak to a leading member of the biden group at 1:30 eastern time. jimmy carter has just wrapped up teaching two sunday school classes in plains, just days after starting cancer treatment. carter appeared in good spirits as he updated details on his health. >> i tend to keep on teaching as long as i'm able. i'm going to cut back a good bit. this gives me a good excuse to finally do it. we've been working, rose and i

have, full-time despite our advanced age. i think a lot of people are sort of waiting for me to step down to give them a chance. >> let's go gabe gutierrez outside the baptist church there. gabe, hundreds, more than expected, came out to hear him. what did they tell you? >> reporter: that's exactly right, alex. good afternoon. hundreds showed up, packed into the church, the church services just wrapped up a short time ago. as you heard there, president carter was in extremely good spirits. had the congregation laughing, telling jokes. hundreds of people showed up. typically this is very small. plains, georgia, tiny town, 25 or 30 people here from the congregation on a typical weekend. but hundreds showed up today. this is the place president carter is beloved. a place where he grew up, where he met his wife, where he traveled back here after 1981, and after finishing up the presidency. and planned the rest of his life.

it was quite an emotional time for him to be here. people showed up before dawn. here's some of what they had to say. >> i had an opportunity to come this time, so i said, let me go to celebrate my birthday. my birthday is on monday. and then i heard about the cancer diagnosis, and i said, i really have to go. >> to see somebody live out that faith, for somebody -- >> what an amazing man he is. that he potentially could be facing death with that attitude. >> reporter: and as he said, he plans to cut back on some of his humanitarian work. but he plans to continue teaching sunday school here as long as he's able. and alex, according to his grandson, this was his 689th time teaching sunday school. he started doing it when he was just 18 years old. >> just remarkable on so many levels. thank you very much for sharing with us the latest from plains there, gabe gutierrez. thanks. clinton-trump, two candidates, two contrasting

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donald trump, again the dominant name on the political landscape this day, even as the other 16 republican candidates figure out how to fight back. here's some of what we heard today. >> donald trump may not be a politician, but he's sure acting like a politician in this regard. >> can you catch donald trump? he seems to be running away with it? >> i'm not particularly trying to catch anybody. what i am doing is steadily getting the message out. >> using the voice of the democrats, those talking points haven't worked in the past four and a half years. >> in many ways, it's just too simplistic, the idea of building a wall, kicking everybody out. >> i filed legislation to triple

the border patrol. i was glad to see that donald trump agrees with that proceeds pose al. >> let's bring in john nichols, and matt welch, editor in chief at reason magazine. welcome to you both. matt, i think it's fair you expressed outrage at the early donald trump phenomenon? how do you explain it weeks later? >> i think that we always knew that this race on the gop side, especially, was going to feature a lot of anti-establishment sentiment. the gop itself has had a ton of that since 2008. it had never expressed itself in the presidential process. what i underestimated for sure is that there are different types of anti-establishme anti-establishmentaryism. the ted cruz tactical i'll throw a fit and shut down the government type. we're going to burn the mother down type of anti-establishment feeling, where it doesn't matter if you're a democrat three weeks

ago, as long as you say that you're against the media, you're against the establishment, and you want to build a 75,000-mile wall, then suddenly you can tap into the anti-establishment sentiment. that is the surprise here. >> to matt's point, in some respect at this point, it appears to be the trump brand versus the clinton brand, she's limiting access to the media, hoping reporters will beg off in one case. he's appearing on many talk shows, by phone even. he's all over the place. is this becoming a battle of brands as opposed to a battle over issues? >> sure. i think that's a big part of it. i very much respect a lot of what matt said, i think that's very important about the anti-establishment character of this. we should also understand the importance of your use of the term brand. donald trump understands how contemporary political coverage plays out. we begin to cover presidential

races much earlier than we used to. we get very focused on them. and then our media needs to be -- and i put quote marks around this -- fed on a daily basis. donald trump understands that a big part of maintaining his brand is to spin something new out every morning, to have a new attack, something that is newsworthy. he's really dominating this. and it's interesting to me that i think hillary clinton, running a much more old-fashioned campaign, certainly she has a brand, no doubt about that, but not pushing it anywhere near the same level of intensity and level of focus. trump is really campaigning via media. >> have the lines been completely blurred then between politicians and entertainers? let's face it, that's where donald trump has come from. i mean, granted, he's also a businessman, but give rn the

"apprentice," and everything else, miss universe and the rest of it -- >> what we're seeing here is possibly a new thing in american politics, which is a much more european style kind of right-wing but still big government social populism of the kind of le penn style, where you have a great man, who will just fix the problems because he's going to be out greater than the other people, and directed outwards toward immigrants and other parts of the population that are seen to be causing decay from within. we have built over hundreds of years kind of antibodies against that style of politics in america. the real question in this election is, is that over now? do we have that kind of temptation for populism in this country? i would have bet no, certainly, two months ago, and now i'm starting to hedge. >> john, in "the new york times" article that is out about why donald trump won't fold, the polls and people speak. there is a line i keep looking at, trumpism, it suggests is an

attitude, not an ideology. at what point do you think voters will stop listening to attitude and bravado, and great one-liners, and feeding the media as you describe it, and really look for substance and fact and policy and what you actually plan to do? >> that's a very good question. of course, matt just laid it out well. he said a couple of weeks ago i could have given an answer, i might give you another one today, because we've seen points at which i thought donald trump crossed the line and really started to lose a lot of those voters who, in a lot of these polls, are very well screened. they're trying to find out who's going to vote in a republican primary. i thought what he said about mccain was going to be a trip wire. when you go after a fox news host, i thought that might be problematic. the fact is trump has continued to maintain a great deal of strength. so rules are being rewritten. but i will counsel you, i've

covered a lot of iowa caucuses, those are not high turnout events. those are events in which the people who come to them have to stay for a long time, talk about a lot of issues, they tend to be very focused in that way. and so trump may actually make it all the way to iowa, and then perhaps see a trip. but this is important. with this many candidates, if the field remains this big, trump might make it through that. >> matt, you were mentioning the anti-establishment passion taking over the gop. as a result there's this trump-carson leading the field about what you write, to call this a clown car is to disparage the work of pantomime professionals. on the other side, you have hillary clinton, the one-time absolute lock for democratic nominee, now threatened by this e-mail matter. so i ask, does the american electorate have any clear choices from any perspective? >> no, thank god. i guess on some level. hillary clinton faces a problem that jeb bush faces on the

republican side. americans, god bless us, don't like coronations. i think a lot of the bernie sanders bump here is just a reaction to having an overwhelming front-runner who's kind of pre-kneecaped all of the democratic position before haubd. there's not a lot of people on the democratic side that have juice. and thinks about getting in. i think hillary clinton is both dominant and vulnerable, not just the e-mail thing, but just because she does not generate any kind of love or tangle down the leg in a memorable phrase among the democratic base in the way that others might. >> john, what's your take? explain the american electoral landscape. is it the same as it was or is it different? >> it's constantly evolving. the biggest mistake people make is people look back that say this will help me understand what's going on now. if you do that, you can't imagine the franklin roosevelt in 1932, amidst of the

depression, or even ronald reagan in 1980. the fact is, that our politics keeps moving forward, giving us new options, new twists and new turns. what's important to understand is, i don't like this line that says it's too late for people to get into this race. we haven't reached the filing deadlines. we haven't even reached the first debate on the democratic side. so i think the reality is, that there is room for people to get in. but i would counsel one thing on bernie sanders, i don't think it's just a kind of reaction against the coronation, or to use matt's phrase, i think there's also a -- especially on the democratic side, there's a host of issues and movements that have developed, around a $15 wage, around economic inequality, wage stagnation in general, around trade policy, issues that have not had good expression at the top levels of distribute party. sanders has brought that into the democratic race and has attracted a good deal of support

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of a beautiful friendship. let's turn to the latest on the deadly air show crash in southern england. the death toll is likely to increase. earlier reports said seven people died after that vintage jet came crashing down on a busy highway yesterday and hit several cars. joining me now, kristen dahlgren. a lot of people are raising questions about the safety of these shows in the wake of this accident. >> they are, alex. the reason it's taking so long for them to figure out how many people were killed in this, these were people driving on the road next to the air show. their concerned loved ones calling in, and based on that officials saying they think the number is likely to go up to 11. another crash in an air show in switzerland, one pilot was killed there. it's leaving a lot of questions

for so many about these air shows. a warning of what you're about to see may be disturbing. the final fateful moments were streaming live on the internet. >> that is such a beautiful airplane. >> reporter: the plane in a loop. the announcers waiting for the pilot to pull up, and then -- >> oh, my word. >> reporter: the historic military jet slams into a busy road. erupting into a ball of fire and thick black smoke. >> you can see him fighting right to the last second. it's that close. there was babies there, there was children there. >> reporter: this photo captures that moment. stunned crowds looked up to see the jet barreling toward them. >> it just went straight down. crashed into the traffic lights, a big fireball, and that was that. >> reporter: the pilot was pulled from the wreckage in critical condition, while fans at the air show could only stare. >> everyone stay in your places, please. >> reporter: it is the latest in

a string of air show disasters. in september 2011, ten bystanders and the pilot were killed in this crash at the reno nevada air races. debris flying into the crowd. in 2013, a wind walker and her pilot died in this fiery crash. and in 1988, 70 were killed, and hundreds injured in ramstine, germany, when this stunt went terribly wrong. as this latest investigation gets under way, it has many asking are air shows too dangerous. >> what is the audience looking for? they're looking for thrills. oh, my goodness, how are they going to pull out of that. and sometimes they don't. >> reporter: there was a moment of silence this morning to remember those killed. and today's session of the air show has been canceled. >> understandably so. thank you so much, kristen dahlgren. vice president biden has generated a lot of talk after yesterday's meeting with

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welcome back to "weekends with alex witt." as we've been reporting, hillary clinton might be facing some new blood in the fight for the democratic party top spot. the meeting yesterday between vice president joe biden and senator elizabeth warren is fueling speculation the vice president is considering a run for the oval office. here's what clinton backer, former pennsylvania governor ed rendell, told us recently. >> no, he shouldn't run. if he was going to run, he should have started a year ago, consolidating support. almost all of the biden donors have gone over to hillary clinton already. >> let's bring in democratic strategist steve shale. steve was florida state director for the 2008 obama campaign, now joined the draft biden movement. steve, welcome to you. what is your reaction to what ed rendell had to say there? >> well, i think it's still

early in the game. we watch this stuff every day. but the reality is most voters are just beginning to get their arms around the race. the nbc poll done at this point in the 2008 cycle showed that barack obama was down 22 points to hillary clinton. so there's a long ways to go. >> how about the money factor? is it true, like ed rendell was saying, that you've got a lot of donors who are backing hillary clinton, and she may have sucked all the action out of the room in that area? >> well, think first of all the vice president has a sizeable network of friends. at this point, we're not -- the campaign will have to build a 50-state operation. to raise enough money to compete in places like iowa. the feedback i've gotten in the last 48 hours, there's a jen woin interest in that happening. if he's able to succeed, the money will come. >> do you have any insight into what took place yesterday apt the biden-warren meeting, or what might have taken place?

>> well, i'm reading about it just like you are. i think the reality is, the vice president is doing whatever any candidate does running for office. clearly warren is well thought of in my party. her advice and counsel would be important to me if i was considering running. i'm sure it's nothing much more than that. >> how about former dnc chairman howard dean saying a biden run presents other difficulties than just a late entrance? let's listen to what he has to say. >> the problem is that joe biden is a very good guy, and probably has no appeal to anybody under 35. so i would think it makes sense to have a candidate, and i think hillary is one, i think bernie is another, who really can turn on the under 35 set. i think that would be a problem for joe. he's served us incredibly well. i just think that it's probably too late for that. >> how do you interpret his analysis, the under 35 constituents there? how he finds them? how does he find the voter base?

and again, going back to the money, the donor base, if so many people have committed elsewhere? >> well, first of all, anecdotally, people who reached out to me in the last three or four days, there are a lot of young folks excited about the vice president potentially running for office. this is a fellow who's got 40, 45 years in public service. he's well liked and well thought of. these are all speculative questions until he actually gets in the race. at this point in the race, you know, in 2007, largely undefined. i think there's a real energy out there for the vice president to get in the race. more importantly, i think his entrance would be good for everybody. when you turn on the tv, the coverage is largely about the other side. having the vice president in the race will raise the game of everybody in the race. >> what about your greatest concerns, in terms of the obstacle? what do you worry about the most if he gets in? >> well, i mean, listen, the

reality is, it is a little bit late in the game. in terms of raising the money, getting off the ground. i would hope if he's seriously considering, which obviously he is, i would like to see him do it sooner than later. the feedback i've gotten, which granted is anecdotal, he's got a lot of energy for doing this. >> do you have any doubts that those who say it would become divisive in the democratic party? >> i think joe biden joe bidis least divisive person in the race. the worst case scenario he gets in the race, he's not the nominee, but by getting in the race he puts a shot of energy in the artery of the campaign. he makes everybody work a little bit harder. he gets all the campaigns organizing. even if he's not the nominee, that's a net positive come november next year. >> there's not a person i've heard on either side of the aisle who has a bad word to say to joe biden. to your point. >> that's right. >> good to talk to you again.

the focus this weekend on the gop campaign trail. ted cruz entered the debate over birth right citizenship. >> i think birth right citizenship as a policy matter doesn't make sense. we have right now upwards of 12 million people living here illegally. it doesn't make any sense that our law automatically grants citizenship to their children. because what it does is it incentivizes additionally legal immigration. >> joining me now, a frequent guest on our broadcast, democratic congressman from california, nice to see you. >> good seeing you, alex. >> the 14th amendment guarantees citizenship to all persons born or naturalized in the united states. is this campaign rhetoric, or do you think we could actually see a fight over the 14th amendment? >> well, it would be a very, very foolish fight. you're not going to solve the immigration problem by going in that direction. it just doesn't -- it would take forever to modify or change the constitution. what we actually need to do, in

the senate of the united states, actually passed a comprehensive immigration reform bill three years ago. it's one that makes sense. it deals with all of the issues from border security to what to do with the 12 million people that are here. how to deal with their children. that's what we have to get back to. and frankly, all of this rhetoric, particularly what mr. trump said, is outrageous. it is just outrageous, and it doesn't get us to the heart of the problem, and to solve it. border security, dealing with those people that are here illegally, giving them a legal status, those that are misbehaving criminals, they're going to leave for certain. and in fact, they are. and we have to recognize that we do have many, many people in the united states that are absolutely essential to our economy. agricultural workers, workers in the tech industry, workers in the entertainment and hospitality industry. they're critical to this economy. >> do you have a accepts of the

impact, though, of the birth right citizen there in california? particularly the farm workers, central valley, the deep southern california area there in san diego along the border with tijuana? do you have a accepts sense of ? >> i certainly do. people who have been born in the united states from the immigrants who are here legally or otherwise are absolutely wonderful people. they're the ones that are going to college, they're the ones that are starting the new businesses. they are extraordinary individuals. wherever they may have come from, from asia, from mexico, from wherever, they are the ones that are really the future of california. in fact, the majority of our students in california are now made up of ethnicities from all over the world. and it gives us an opportunity to reach out to the world, because they bring the culture, the language, the understanding. and frankly, they're going to be the yankee traders of the next generation. >> do you see immigration as

being a central, a vote-deciding issue in this election, or do you think it's a spotlight in the fact that donald trump has made it his platform? >> certainly donald trump has made it an issue. it is one of the underlying profoundly important issues that this nation needs to deal with, and frankly, we've kicked this can along with many, many others down the road far too many times. it has to be dealt with. and the rhetoric is outrageous kind of rhetoric that's been tossed around right now. it doesn't get to the heart of the problem. it doesn't solve the overarching issues of which there are several, that can and must be addressed. we need to be cool. we need to be comprehensive in our approach to this. and it is, and will probably be one of the issues in the presidential campaign. it's certainly an issue in the congressional and senate campaigns of the past. likely to be again in the future. so, yeah, but it's not the only

issue. the economy. the economy's stupid about the extraordinary stall of the middle class, the opportunity for people to get into the middle class, the opportunity for the middle class to grow, and to prosper. those are profoundly important economic issues. and certainly we're now seeing the effect of the international economy on the stock market and on america. >> just quickly, you heard my interview with steve schale there. what do you think of joe biden entering the race? >> joe biden is a terrific person. i've worked with him, seen him work in many ways in the congress and as vice president. but i'm for hillary. i've been for hillary for a long, long time. this is a remarkable woman and has done extraordinary things as senator, secretary of state, and so i'm all for hillary. if vice president biden wants to get into the race, he'll make a

decision about that. but at the end of the day, i think americans are going to look for a woman who is capable, who is experienced, who has the kind of leadership skills that are necessary, and the business about the e-mails is going to be something of 2015, not 2016. >> representative john giarmendi, thank you. [ school bell rings ] ♪ [ female announcer ] everything kids touch at school sticks with them.

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today relations between iran and the west took a major step forward. the union jack flag is once again flying in iran as they opened the embassy four years after being stormed by a mob of hardliners. the co-director of the nuclear policy of peace. over the iaea side deal, the report that it allows iran to conduct its own inspection of the nuclear facility sus spetd to be the site of past military

testing. how much do you trust the iaea deal? >> well, good afternoon, alex. i trust the iaea significantly more than i trust the associated press's reporting of this story. let me make two brief points. firstly, the iaea has agreements with every single country in which it conducts inspections. and those agreements are always confidential. the iaea is legally obliged to keep those confidential. the same has to apply to the iran deal. if the iranian parliament asked the director general of the iaea to give iran details of safeguards in the united states, then they would have to say no to that. the second point that i would make is that the associated press got a draft of the agreement. and i don't think we should go off the deep end here, talking about self-inspection, based on something that's a draft, and not even the final agreement.

so we actually don't know what this final agreement contains. >> okay. any concerns about the warnings that the deal is going to create an arms race against iran's amo opponents? >> it's a possibility. i think if we had no deal a arms race would have been more likely. if we had no deal and iran ramped up their enrichment quantity then it's an awful more likely we would have an arms race than a deal that caps the iranian program. >> james, you're aware of the thing that happened yesterday when the iran revealed the new short range missiles. they say it's not designed to carry a nuclear war head. does it concern you >> sure. a lot of iranian behavior concerns me. sponsorship of houthis. all of that concerns me as iranian missile development concerns me. but what concerns me more than

all of that is the possibility that iran may get a nuclear weapon and i think that we have to prioritize what's more important here which is nonproliferation. >> let me ask you what was going on with the tension between north and south korea. do you expect this to escalate beyond the artillery exchanges we've seen? >> i hope not. but this is a dangerous situation. leaders in both countries have staked their reputations on inconsistent things and the possibility that this could escalate while slim i think is worryingly high. if a nuclear weapon were to be used the most likely country to do that is north korea. i would pay close attention to this story over the next few days. >> we'll do that with your help again. thank you. wind power for america, why the critics say the president's clean energy plan will be costly. that's next. i love the jetta. but what about a deal? terry, stop! it's quite alright...

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tomorrow president obama will deliver the keynote address at the national clean energy

summit in las vegas. the speech comes after a controversial clean energy plan. joining me now ceo of the american wind energy association who will be at that summit tomorrow for the president's address. what do you want to hear from the president? >> we look forward to hearing from the president how clean energy is american success story by way of example we're the number one producer of wind energy in the entire world and we want to keep at that time leadership and doing so will mean we have technology that's kept here in the united states. we can create jobs in the united states and frankly ultimately we can save consumers money. we hope the president will be speaking about that and how this will end up good for industry and good for consumers. >> las vegas review journal is critiquing the president's plan pinpoint reads the president has ordered a complete restructuring of the american energy structure through a regulatory fiat. what's your response?

>> i think their perspective is out of date. department of energy came out with a report showing how at the end of the day more wind energy will save consumers money and we'll be increasing the number of jobs in the united states, helping the economy five fold increased number of jobs and frankly we got three states already, kansas, iowa and south dakota that are already generating 20% of their electricity from wind energy. we're already proving we're a reliable contributor to the grid. as my kids would say we got this. we can meet the compliance needs. >> can you give the president the administration a grade on the environment? >> frankly in clean energy in particular i think they are doing very well. up in the a category. they are setting good aggressive targets for us and leaving it up to states to comply, figure out which is the right compliance strategy for each state. in a lot of states wind energy is the choice because we have proven we're the biggest,

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(rick) louis, i think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship. this sunday, two huge stories up-ending the campaign. for the republicans, the fact donald trump is here to stay. >> let's assume somebody else becomes president. wouldn't that be horrible? >> how about his opponents now deal with this juggernaut. for the democrats, it's the hillary e-mails. >> nobody talks to me about it. only you guys. >> it only adds fuel to the biden fire. did the vice president just tease his 2016 ticket by meeting with elizabeth warren? plus, trump on hillary. >> during her entire reign, look what happened. everything fell apart. >> and a sitdown with carly fiorina. the other outsider. >> donald trump may not be a politician but he's sure act