day, you are moving. this is someone who can't help but run. he's designed to run. so that's where i think this will go. >> i can't imagine what else he would do with that energy. >> thank you all for joining me good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. donald trump has been taking questions from reporters in dubuque, iowa. let's keep listening. >> i supported him. i actually gave him quite a bit of money. i liked his fight. i liked his drive. he actually came to my office six months ago gave me a trophy, gave me a beautiful plaque. i thought that was very nice. and in the end i think people see, though, that what's happening in wisconsin -- i love the people of wisconsin. i know wisconsin well. i have friends that live there. and they're incredible people. but if you look at what's going on in wisconsin, i think people saw that they have a $2.2 billion budget deficit. it was supposed to be a surplus of a billion.

that's a tremendous -- borrowing to a point that nobody thought possible. they're ranked number 38 in the states which isn't exactly a good ranking. better than others that are running, but frankly not a good ranking. and they have problems. and there's a lot of division in the state, to put it mildly. and i think people -- i do like scott, but i think people have seen what's happened in the state. and when i first announced i was second and he was first. i think i was at 10% and he was at 22%. now i think i'm at 22 or 24% and he's at 6%. i think what happened is people have really looked seriously at what's going on in wisconsin and it has not been helpful to him. unfortunately. yes, go ahead. [ inaudible question ] >> well, i do read tweets. and i mean to a certain extent i do, yeah. i think that's right. you want me to say no? i retweet.

i retweet for a reason, right? go ahead. >> christian vote during the primaries. >> yeah. >> the bible is your favorite book. is there anyone in the bible that you really relate to that you look up to? >> nobody that i would compare to. it's actually a great question. i love the bible. i love the bible. i'm a protestant. i'm a presbyterian. i went to sunday school. dr. norman vincent peale was one of the greatest speakers. you hated to leave church. that's how great he was. i also had a church in jamaica, queens, when i grew up in queens. wonderful. first presbyterian church of jamaica. i was there for years. that's where i went to sunday school. one of the things that's so incredible about the new

hampshire numbers is i lead with everybody. i lead with old, with young, as you saw, you saw it, everybody. but one of the groups i lead with substantially, evangelicals. i've led in iowa, too, with evangelicals. they get it. they're incredible people that are really smart. and they want to see our country thrive. but the beautiful thing -- because it was such a comprehensive poll in new hampshire and they just went over everything. tea party like leading by a lot. moderate leading by a lot. everybody. literally, i think, you'll correct me if i'm wrong, but i think i led with every single group and by substantial numbers. i was very honored to lead but with the evangelicals. i love the evangelicals. yes, good, absolutely. good to have you back. >> thank you very much. >> so full of empty promises.

>> you cannot deport 11 million. you cannot unite citizenship and build on 19. >> why do you say that? >> you cannot do that. >> well, a lot of people think -- no, no, excuse me. a lot of people, no, no, but a lot of people think that's not right, that an act of congress can do it. but it's possibly going to have to be tested in courts. but a lot of people think that if you come and you're on the other side of the border -- i'm not talking about mexico. somebody on the other side of the border. a woman is getting ready to have a baby, crosses the border for one day, has the baby, all of a sudden for the next 80 years but hopefully longer but 80 years we have to take care of the people. no, no, i don't think so. excuse me, some of the greatest legal scholars -- and i know some of the television scholars agree with you. but some of the great legal scholars agree that that's not true. that if you come across -- excuse me, just one second. no, no, i am answering.

if you come across for one day and you have a baby, now the baby is going to be an american citizen. excuse me. there are great legal scholars, the top, that say that's absolutely wrong. it's going to be tested. okay? >> how are you going to build a 1900-mile wall? >> very easy. i'm a builder. i build buildings that are -- can i tell you what's more complicated? what's more complicated is building a building that's 95 stories tall. >> time and money -- >> you think so? really? i don't think so. a lot of people don't think so. >> over 40% of the people say there is -- >> i don't believe that. okay. you're right. i don't believe it. and the drugs come. i see them. they have pictures, they have everything, crawling over the fences which are, by the way, this high. you have fences that are not as tall as i am. they're coming by many different ways. but the primary way is being right through, right past our border patrols who, by the way,

are tremendous people. they can do the job, but they're told not to. >> how are you going to deport -- >> here's what we're going to do. >> you will bring the army? >> we'll do it in a very humane fashion. believe me. i have a bigger heart than you do. we'll do it in a very humane fashion. the thing we're going to do -- >> one question, is there one question i want to ask. >> okay. the one thing we're going to start with immediately are the gangs, and the real bad up ones. do you agree with that, that there are some bad ones. do you agree or everyone is just perfect? no i asked you a question. do you agree with that? we have tremendous crime, tremendous problems -- i can't deal with this. listen, we have tremendous crime, we have tremendously, we have very bad ones. you would agree with that, right? there's a lot of bad ones. excuse me. they looked at some of the gangs in baltimore, in chicago, even in ferguson.

they got some rough, illegal immigrants in those gangs. they're getting out. you mind if i send them out? now, if they come from mexico, do you mind if i send them back to mexico. no, no, do you mind if i send them back to mexico. okay. those people are out. they'll be out so fast your head will spin. the rest we're going to do in a -- remember, you use the word, illegal immigrant. >> no, i didn't. >> well, you should use it. because that's what the definition is. well, when they cross the border from a legal standpoint, they're illegal when they don't have their papers. this is the part you're going to like. i want these people, the good people, i want them to come back and i want them to get documentation and get so they become legal. it's going to be -- you know what it's called, management. you're not used to good management because you're always talking about government. let me just tell you, wait, wait, wait, wait. government is incompetent. guys like bush and some others i

won't name, they're incompetent people. they don't have it. i agree, they can't do it. i'm a great manager. i hire unbelievable people. when i look at the vets, excuse me, when i look at the v.a., we spend billions of dollars and people are treated horribly. okay? horribly. that will work great. what we're doing here will work great. and we want to get good people back in. and also -- let me just tell you -- >> you are not giving us specifics. i've given you specifics. great management. and they'll hopefully come back in soon. another question. yes, go ahead. yes, sir. >> is there any specific change in the law you made to limit money in politics? >> limit money in politics? i think there should be more transparency. because i see a guy with $114 million which is now higher and nobody even knows who put the money in. and they all control him like a little puppet. i know half the people.

i can't find out who they are but as soon as they do, they're friends of mine. i used to be the king of that. i know the system better than anybody. the fact is whether it's jeb or hillary or any of them, they're all controlled by these people. and the people that control them are the special interests the lobbyists and the donors. the nice part about me, i don't need anybody's money. if a woman sends me the 7, i take it because she's investing in this country in a proper way, not an improper way. i don't need the money. it's a beautiful thing. if i say i don't want ford building in this case in mexico or somewhere else, in all fairness, china, i want them to build here, i won't be it will by the ford lobby and by all the other lobbies that you know who they are better than i do. they're not going to hit me.

because they didn't give ten cents to my campaign because i don't want their money. >> but should it be limited legally? >> i don't know about the limits. the most important thing is transparency. you have to know who you're dealing with. and right now you don't. you don't. i'm talking about pacs in all fairness. i have good friends who like to put money into pacs. many friends, i have some enemies, too. but many friends like to put money into pacs. you need transparency. you need to know who is putting up what, so when they start making a deal in one year, three years, you know what's happening. how about one more question? >> most of the illegal immigrants in this country are -- >> no, not at all. i never said that. no. i think most of them are good people. i love that question. because hopefully maybe somebody -- no, i think most of them are very good people. but they are here illegally. and we're a country of laws and we're a country of borders. we have to have a border.

and we'll have a border, and we'll have a wall and the wall will have a big beautiful door where people can come in legally and also where we can bring talented people. we need that in the silicon valley. when somebody goes to harvard, yale, princeton, the wharton school of finance, we send them out as soon as they graduate. they can't stay here. they want to be here. they go to their country wherever it may be, asia, mexico, and they compete against us. i don't want that. how about one more then? yes, ma'am, go ahead. in where? >> in wisconsin. but the latest poll numbers there governor walker is leading amongst republicans at 25% and you're at 9. what do you make of the numbers? >> in wisconsin, i really don't know. i haven't gotten there. i would think we'd win wisconsin. i have a great relationship with the people of wisconsin. but i haven't started. i haven't been thinking about wisconsin right now and governor walker certainly has been. i don't know what the poll is. i know this -- in florida they

just came out with a poll. and i'm at 28 and bush is much lower and senator rubio, who is a sitting senator, is much, much lower. i don't know. i think i'll do very well in wisconsin. i think so. yes. >> one more? >> yes, sir, go ahead. go ahead. >> well, you think that you're going to be able to -- [ inaudible ] >> well, he came up. he wants to support my campaign. but then i said, oh, gee, he said negative things about me. but comes up to my office and wants to be part of my campaign. but he's a hedge fund guy. and honestly, maybe the hedge fund guys won't like me too much. i know a lot about hedge funds. i also know how they're taxed better than he does. so maybe he won't because maybe they won't like me. you understand. but he came up. he wants to support me. he wanted to leave walker to support me. but i didn't make it so easy for him.

[ inaudible question ] i don't know, look, i have a lot of respect for roger. we'll see. i mean, you know, maybe, maybe not. i really don't know. look, i think they covered me terribly. fox news. i think they cover me terribly. and i'm winning by double digits in every poll. maybe it matters, maybe it doesn't. i don't think i get good treatment from fox. they certainly cover me a lot. well, i'm being covered by everybody. i don't know. i don't think so because i think they give me very bad treatment. i think fox treats me terribly. a lot of the people that like me think they treat me terribly. but i don't think -- what? you think i was asked nice easy questions. the other guys, what are you going to do about jobs. the other one, do you love god. i get these questions like, what's going on here? and yet i won in every single poll of the debate, i won.

i won from drudge, i won in "time" magazine. everyone thought i won the debate. but i had the worst questions, the most unfair questions. i like fox, but i think they treat me very poorly. yes, go ahead. i'll do that. i'll do that. the which? >> the twitter fights. [ inaudible ] takes two seconds. >> why? >> because when people treat me unfairly, i don't let them forget. maybe we should do that more in this country. maybe the country wouldn't be pushed around so much. go ahead. [ inaudible ] >> i think so, because i'm going to bring jobs back. >> univision polls. >> how much am i suing univision for right now? do you know the number? no, no, tell me. do you know the number? and you know you're a part of the lawsuit. how much am i suing univision for? wait, wait.

it's 500 million. and they're very concerned about it, i are have to tell you. i'm very good at this stuff. >> 75% of that -- >> i don't think i will. i haven't even started. >> latinos have a negative opinion of you. >> do you know how many latinos -- >> okay you'll check. >> do you know how many latinos work for me, how many hispanics are working for me? they love me. do you know how many hispanics work for me? thousands. do you know how many have worked for me over the years? tens of thousands. here's what happens. once i win, you're going to see things happen. you know what they want? they want jobs. that's what they want. in nevada, did you see the poll of the hispanics in the state of nevada? excuse me. big hispanic population. i wiped everybody out. hispanic. i won the poll. excuse me.

i'm not talking -- i'm talking the only poll i saw. the one that came out that was in the state of nevada, i wiped everybody out. i wiped them out. with hispanics. you saw that, right? did you see it? >> nevada -- >> wait, did you see it. okay. he's an honest guy, now i like him. we'll be talking a lot over the years. >> one more thing. >> i think about it myself. very interesting because a lot of people have been asking. in alabama i got very high marks for a speech. and i honestly feel -- and it's one of the things i'm going to talk about, i'm always on live television. if you're on television every three or four days you got to say things different. i think about my speeches and i don't believe in teleprompters although it's very easy. would i like to go up and stand and read a speech for an hour and just leave. but you wouldn't have sold-out

crowds like we have outside. you wouldn't have 30,000 people like we have in alabama, you wouldn't have the crowd like the other night in new hampshire. it's not the same. i jokingly say if you're running for president you shouldn't be allowed to use teleprompters. i think about my speeches a lot, about what i'm going to say and i don't use notes and don't read the speeches because it's much easier but you know what happens, you don't have the same vibrance. you understand. >> when you're on twitter, you write them yourself? >> i do a lot of things by myself. people would be surprised. people are shocked at how smart i am, right? thank you. >> well, donald trump has just finished taking reporting questions in iowa, in dubuque. he'll be giving a speech any moment now. we'll bring you that live. but first joined by "washington post" robert costa and an msnbc

political analyst. trump's comment today came amid a fight he's waged with fox news. last night while megyn kelly was airing on fox, he tweeted megyn kelly must have had a terrible vacation. she's really off her game. i like the fight better without megyn kelly. perhaps she can take another unscheduled vacation. he retweeted this, the bimbo back in town. i hope not for long. roger ailes called on trump to apologize to his star anchor. donald trump's surprise and unprovoked attack on megyn kelly during her show last night is as unacceptable as it is disturbing. megyn kelly represents the very best of american journalism. trump responded to that, quote, i totally disagree with the fox statement. i do not think megyn kelly is a quality journalist. i think her questioning of me was very unfair.

at a press conference he said he would not apologize to kelly. here he goes again. >> no, she should be apologizing to me. but i would not do that. >> why should she apologize to you? >> because i thought her questioning and attitude was totally inappropriate. all you have to do is look at the internet today and you see who people favor in that one. but i wouldn't -- it's a very small element in my life, megyn kelly. i don't care about megyn kelly, but no, i would not apologize. she should probably apologize to me. but i just don't care. >> anyway, donald trump versus megyn kelly is the biggest issue in the fox news debate. that's not a surprise. you can see it coming. i'm wondering whether it will be a battle between megyn and donald. i'm trying to think through the drama like roger has already thought through it a hundred times by now. she'll want to score points

professionally and she has a way of have a camera look at her while she judges whether you're right or not. i know this is just pure media chatter. but i think it's going to be donald trump against megyn kelly. i think she's going to be tough in her questions. he's going to try to stop her from scoring points on him and that's when he's lose. how much of it is real? are they trying to build a crowd by building a fight? a public display of anger by trump? >> i think it's a real public display of pique by trump. to sit at night and retweet megyn kelly's return from vacation? it's one thing if he did it after the debate. he kept it up, he's keeping it up and he's winning. the thing that shocked roger ailes. is that the fox viewers really

sided with donald trump and they turned on this woman who really had been a star and had a lot of fans. she still has fans, obviously. but the negativity and the hatred and nasty things that have been said shocked ailes. but trump keeping it up put him in a position today where he had to defend her. he was perceived with siding with trump to get him back on the air waves. i thought that was humiliating for megyn kelly. he won't leave it alone. he gets attention from the kinds of guys who like seeing him slap down a woman. and ailes, i don't know how this ends. he didn't ask him to do anything. he said he should apologize. he didn't say unless he apologizing he isn't coming on our show. >> i got on the phone with my sources inside fox news, and they said ailes startled by

trump's twitter attack. >> the bimbo thing. >> thought there was a cease-fire. thought they came to some kind of agreement. this came out of left field. they knew ailes had to get out and protect kelly. the trump people, i checked in with their campaign. they say trump is the most unpredictable candidate and says just because he has an agreement one week doesn't mean it lasts another. >> we're both in this world, television and journalism together. sometimes they work against each other. if you watch megyn kelly -- i watch the megyn kelly report. she sits there, obviously very attractive person, but she sits there and judges with almost no expression on her face. she looks just like trump. just like trump in the "apprentice." but she's judging him. you can see it during the debate.

it wasn't that she asked him tough questions. she's judging him. and he hated being judged. >> especially by a woman. that's a really good point. i consider it professional. she has a thing she does. it's not everybody's thing. but i don't think it's unprofessional. i don't think it's wrong. she was tough. you were right to predict they might have fireworks. she got him in a particular way. bret baier asked him the toughest question. chris wallace went after his finances. you could say those two guys were tough on him that night. but it's megyn kelly that he can't let alone? there's something psychological here that this woman seemed to put him in his place about other women and he will not leave it go. >> and joan, she was judging him as a person. >> yes. >> she was going after his character, going after his core. and who are you, miss, to judge me, donald trump? anyway, i'm joined by kacie hunt. this is quite a show. he had that fight with the guy

from univision and brought the guy back in and the other guy wouldn't stop talking either. a battle. >> it was a battle of wills for sure. at first ramos, the anchor at univision and at fusion stood up and tried to ask a question about immigration. trump ignored him then a member of the security detail escorted ramos from the room. trump was pressed a bit on whether he should have done it that way. and he ultimately said, he can come back and take questions. ramos was led back into the room and had a pretty contentious exchange with trump on immigration. but no real difference on what he had to say about that subject. >> was that treated as a disruption or a legitimate effort to get the attention of the host, mr. trump? what was it, a disruption or was

he mishandled? >> i think it simply depends on how you normally view these press conferences. trump was calling one by one on reporters in the room. so from that perspective, he was interrupted. but the reality was that it felt like the forced removal of a journalist. he's an anchor on a newscast on a major network. it was an uncomfortable moment in the room, without question. >> reminded me of the 1964 convention, the goldwater convention and like in '68 where dan rather was manhandled or thrown out of the room by security people. there was an aspect of that. >> trump has to deal with this as his campaign grows because he's been one of the most accessible politicians, gone on every show, talking to reporters, picking up the phone. but he likes these combative exchanges.

at the end of that exchange he's inviting him to lunch, we'll talk more in the campaign to come. this is the yin and yang of trump. he can go real hard, maybe over the top. at the same time bringing him back. >> let me ask you about the media fight here. the numbers are high, a conservative network. who is the boss, trump or ailes. >> it's a battle -- >> you can't answer my question. >> it's unheard of on the right to go after ailes. you just don't do it on the right. >> he's getting away with it. >> you're seeing fox reacting. >> what side is rush limbaugh talking? >> have you been listening to limbaugh? >> tell me. i haven't. i got to work here. >> you have to read the transcripts of him every day. he's all over trump. >> he's taking the side of trump. >> he likes trump on immigration. he's not endorsing trump. he's being cagey about that. but supportive in what he says. >> we've got alpha males here. you got three i can think of. limbaugh, who seems to be almost the spiritual witch doctor of the right, to use an old phrase. then you've got ailes who has

the network which is awesome and the candidate who has the spotlight. >> i think trump is seeing that there's nothing to pay. he doesn't have to pay for these insults to megyn kelly. in that sense, he is the boss. i also thought that the exchange with ramos was interesting because he was being disruptive. donald trump got the headline, got the soundbite of the night that he wants. go back to univision. like telling somebody to go back to mexico. his nativist fans love that moment even though he let the guy in later and seemed a little more reasonably. i don't think we've seen anything like this fight between trump and ailes. >> why are they so boring compared to this? bernie gets a good vaudeville crowd but there's no competition. he's out on the road on college campuses reminding everybody what the '60s are like.

i like his message, we need to hear it. but there's no fight going on. even if joe biden does get in this thing, i don't sense it will have the power of this kind of argument on the right right now to grab our attention. >> well no, because there's a lot of agreement on the left side. there are small differences on tax breaks and on single payer versus the obamacare model as it exists now. there are definitely disagreements but not as visceral. i don't see anybody who has even the temperament. look, hillary clinton did scare a lot of people. we might have seen a more interesting range of candidates if she hadn't seemed so dominant. we don't know what that would have been like. if biden gets in, there's not a lot of daylight between the two of them. all that can happen is a personal battle that i personally don't want to see. but i think that the left is

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we're back awaiting donald trump to meet the people. up in new york joan walsh is also with us. katy tur is out there with me. let me go to katy tur. what did you make, having been a student, i guess, you can write a book on this guy trump right now. maybe a short book. we don't know how long it will be, but it's a book. what do you make of the way he handled the guy from univision. the guy was bothering him,

reacting negatively. it was causing him to be off his game. then wait a minute, i went too far. i better get him in here and make nice. >> initially he was caught off guard and he did not handle it well. ramos got up and started pretty aggressively throwing questions at him. but that's to be expected. ramos has been trying to get an interview with donald trump since he made those immigration comments two months ago now. >> okay. who is the big guy, the lug that pushed him out the door? >> that's his body man. he's actually a very nice guy, i should say. but when it got heated and trump didn't want to answer the question, didn't like that he stood up and challenged him. wanted to go to chip reid who was sitting a couple people down from me, then he looked at his body man and said, get this guy out of here. it was aggressive and he realized pretty quickly that it was maybe not the best optics to throw jorge ramos out of his press conference. and he was eventually let back

in where he was able to ask a few questions, not necessarily that trump answered them to ramos' liking. he wanted to get more specifics on how he would get those 11 million undocumented immigrants out. but no word on that from trump specifically. >> thanks so much, katy tur out there in dubuque. thank you for joining us and robert for staying. and of course up in new york, joan. it reminded me of the conventions they beat up dan rather and chancellor. and we've got thugs out there on the floor. that's going to be tied together on links. you watch. not your era, but it will come back. >> not my era. >> they'll bring it back now. those tapes are still available. >> the tapes are still available. but trump's got to be careful. because the campaign's only getting bigger. it's swelling. he's hiring all these people. >> there is a history in this country. >> jorge ramos is probably the best known hispanic journalist in america.

this is the equivalent of throwing walter cronkite out of the convention. the body guy. this is a big deal. >> he didn't have a good camera on him then. but that guy was eight feet tall. trump acted like he didn't even know him. turns out according to katy, that's the body man that looks out for him. you can't disown the guy. >> he's just a showman. i was watching the conference from the green room. he is unbelievable. i can't believe he gets away with it. >> i think he got a little nervous there. he just began his speech in dubuque, iowa. i'm going back to joan. who won that tussle? because we'll get back to the real battle which is megyn versus donald. who won between him and univision? he's battling two networks now. >> he is. remember when newt gingrich went after juan williams in the south

carolina debate in 2012? that worked for him. in a republican field going after journalists gets you high marks. so i think that they both won because jorge got to ask some questions, got to show what a bully trump can be. got that line, go back to univision. and trump showed his supporters that he's a tough guy. but you're right, he did kind of blink. by bringing him back in, he did have a moment of self-awareness that we haven't seen on the trail. maybe governor dean is right, maybe i've gone too far. >> he didn't make the effort you did to the spanish elocution there. but trump said univision, take it or not. but go back to univision, you're right, has a certain get back across where you came from aspect to it. >> this guy is incredibly well known in the hispanic community. for him to say that he's going to win the latino vote after humiliating one of the most prominent people in the community is incredible.

>> you don't need a scorecard to know what side people are on. those people who like it, those who aren't -- here's trump for more on the real life adventure of donald trump. wait a minute. we've got music. he's walking out now. interesting if he gets asked about megyn and univision. i bet there will be no questions about univision from this crowd, only about megyn and i bet they're all on trump's side. look at the signs. there's a woman who thought they saw donald trump's face in her butter the other day. like an apparition, like he's the blessed mother or something. he ain't. ♪ you're the best around >> thank you. that's so beautiful. [ chanting "trump" ]

>> unbelievable. unbelievable. and thank you. they said a record. now i understand why they have a record. what a room. what a place. iowa, do we love it. great, great. you know, we had a big day today because a lot of polls came out, and the polls were really nothing short of tremendous. we had -- and i just came -- in new hampshire, which is an amazing place with, like you, incredible people. they love the country, and they want to see our country be great again. that's what they want.

they work hard. they love it. and we had 35%, and the second place was so far back we won't even talk about it. because i want to be nice tonight. i want to be nice. in south carolina, we had 30%, and that was a tremendous hall, tremendous energy, tremendous money spent. 30% second place. again, we're going to be so nice. should we be nice or not? a little bit, a little bit. so we had 30%. that's the monmouth poll, big one. the gravis national poll just came out. 40.1%. that's national. 40.1%. i want the election tomorrow! ann coulter is here. can we call for an immediate election, please, okay? like in so many other countries. i want an immediate election, ann.

go out and buy her book. it's actually a very good book. and oh, is it true. now very importantly for iowa, anybody ever heard of the corn kernel, everybody heard of the corn kernel poll. so we had four of them and that came from the state fair. last week i came to the state fair. i came well equipped in a helicopter. and we took the kids for rides. and those kids love me. those kids -- and i love those kids, but we had an amazing time. my pilot said, is that enough, mr. trump, after going up and down like a yo-yo. i said, nope, you got to keep doing it. we had an amazing time. i know it means a lot to the people here and having gotten that vote is incredible. here's what's happening. a little bit of a different situation. i think maybe than has happened before.

a great journalist called me. somebody that i don't know but somebody that i have great respect for. one of the major newspapers. and he said, could i ask you one question, mr. trump. what? how does it feel? how does what feel? he said, this was the summer of trump. do you believe this? how good is that for my ego? is that good? but they said -- he said -- i mean and he's really one of the -- now the press is going to say, who is it, who is it, who is it. but one of the really top people. not even necessarily a fan of mine but i think he's becoming a fan rapidly. he said, how does it feel? i said, why do you ask that question. it's one thing to have the summer of trump. doesn't mean anything unless we win both the nomination and we got to beat hillary or whoever is running. whoever is running. no, otherwise it doesn't mean anything. i don't know. if you lose, like, what does it all matter?

and he says, it doesn't matter if you win or not. what you've done has never been done -- nobody's ever really seen this with the polls and the enthusiasm and the press. and you know why those cameras are all red lighted? because of ratings. if i didn't get ratings, they wouldn't be here. they wouldn't be here. they're not nice people. they don't care about me. they don't care about you. they don't care about anything. the other thing they care about is ratings. when i did "the apprentice" which was a tremendous success, i was hosting "saturday night live" and lorne michaels came up to me. and it was bedlam. here amany hosting "saturday night live." my mother and father never would have believed this. and lorne michaels came up to me and said, this is great. you know, it won't always be like this, some day the ratings

won't be good and nbc will call me and they'll say i'm sorry mr. trump but the ratings are no good, we're going to cancel the show. and he looked at me and he said, no, there's one thing wrong. they won't even bother to call. it's true. they won't even bother to call. and the apprentice was a tremendous hit. nbc renewed it. i may be like the only one or one of certainly like you can count them on your hand that turned down a major renewal. in fact, mark burnett said, you got to be kidding. you got to be kidding. you're turning down a major renewal. he called it is a renewal. he said, you're turning down a renewal. nobody turns it down. i turned it down for many, many shows. you see the kind of money they paid me. you remember you had that certain anchor who said he didn't believe it, bah, bah, bah, then he had to take it back.

we'll just call him steve, but he's a great guy. the head of nbc, the head of reality television. they came to my office like five months ago. they sat in my chairs. they said, donald, we want -- we've already renewed. we want you. we love you. they don't love me so much any more. i have to be honest. and i said to them, fella, i really want to run for president. i want to make america great again. it's very simple. i want to do it. and they didn't believe me. they didn't believe me. i said honestly. i'm going to do it. they had the up-fronts. that's when they announce all the shows. we're announcing we're renewing

"the apprentice" with donald trump. i can't believe it. nobody believed me. my wife said to me, you know nobody believes your running. i looked at it serious mostly last time. i looked at it unseriously over the years but last year pretty seriously. i said, what do you mean? if you ever actually announce, you're going to go through -- she knows people like me. actually i'm a nice person. nobody knows that. it's true. people don't -- i tell people i'm a nice person. in some ways it's not good. we'll talk about china and negotiations. i don't want to be a nice person for them. i am, i'm a nice american. and my wife said to me, she said, if you run, you're going to win. but you have to announce because if they take polls nobody's going to say you're running. right? and ann knows that. and i said, well, i don't know. and i'll tell you why, it takes courage to run. it really does. you're really exposing yourself like crazy.

the press is honestly a lot of the press is, especially the political press -- you know the financial press has been pretty good to me over the years. in "business week" magazine they named me a while ago the best in a people's poll the best negotiator. wouldn't that be nice to have a good negotiator? i don't want to brag about it. but wouldn't it be nice? i mean, look at what's happening with china. i've been predicting china, i've been saying china's taking our jobs, our money, our base, our manufacturing. i just told the press -- and we owe them. think of it. they've taken our money and our jobs on manufacturing. but they've taken everything. one of the greatest thefts in the history of the world what they've taken out of our country. they've rebuilt china, and we owe them -- think of it. we owe them.

they take everything. $1.4 trillion. how do you do that? that's like a magic act. how good are they as negotiators? they take everything and we owe them money. we owe japan 1.4 trillion. same number. we owe them both 1.4 trillion. for whatever reason. same number. the balance, the deficits, the numbers are crazy. if you look at the deficit we have with japan, the deficit we have with china, the deficit we have with almost everybody, honestly, they're big abusers. and by the way, i love them. they buy my apartments. the biggest chunk as you maybe know, the bank of america. but a lot of people didn't know. actually most people didn't know i own the bank of america building in san francisco. big, big, big chunk. i got it from the chinese. i did great.

they still don't know what happened. but that's what we need. right? i own 1290, big, big chunk, 1290 avenue of the americas. but i do great with the chinese, and they're great people. the problem is their leaders are too smart for our leaders. very simple. i'm a free trader. i believe in free trade. i like free trade. i like free trade but free trades's only good if you have smart representatives. it's not good if we have dummies. it's not good if our leaders are incompetent. it's not good if they've never read "the art of the deal," one of the greatest books of all time. second to the bible. way, way, way, deep second. you know how far below it is. i said that's my favorite book of all time. my second favorite book. what's your favorite? the bible.

it's not even close. people were shocked. they were shocked that i actually said that. but it is the greatest book of all time, the bible. nothing even close. so we have a situation where people that run for political office -- and i've heard this for years -- they do really take chances and it is something that's not very pleasant. and you read things about yourself that don't exist. very little good, but a lot of bad things that aren't true. and i have to tell you with that i've met some unbelievable really talented political reporters, but i've also met very bad ones and dishonest ones. and we have to do something about our country. we have to take it back. you know, i've been using a term that hasn't been used in a long time. it's called the silent majority.

you're the silent majority. i'm the silent majority. and they're tired of politicians other than -- are there any politicians in the room? because we're excluding you. you're fabulous. but politicians are all talk and no action. that's true. they're tired. >> i have been watching bush on the border. he is in a seer sucker suit and talking about yes, oh, yes. i shouldn't say anchor baby. he puts out a report saying do not use the term anchor baby. i used it and my polls go through the roof and now he is using anchor baby and taking criticism. the funniest thing is he is taking tremendous criticism for using the term anchor baby and i

use it all the time because they expect it from me, i think. right? crazy. crazy. politicians are all talk and no action. i saw that a little bit at the debate and i loved it. i was treated very unfairly at that debate to be honest with you. but it was fine. i won every poll. "time" magazine. i won the polls. i watched the politicians and the politicians talk. i have heard that jeb bush was the mentor to marco rubio. two nice people. i think jeb is a nice person. he is very low energy. i'm not used to that kind of a person.

i'm used to dealing with killers. negotiating with japan. negotiating with china. when these people walk in, they don't say hello, it's so beautiful outside. how are the yankees doing. wonderful, great. they say we want a deal. he would jump out of the seat. i watched. by the way, before i say this, who would you rather have negotiating against china and iran. what a deal that is. you talk about incompetent people against anybody. jeb bush, hillary clinton or trump? i think so. you believe me. believe me.

it's funny. i was graded on a speech i made recently. the one mistake he makes is that he speaks through the applause. that's true. i don't have time. it's true. they gave me a great mark. i love the way i move my hands. this and that. he speaks so well and speaks through his applause. it's bad for them. i thought about it and said i tried not doing it. i want to get going. i want to get things done. does everybody here know that? right? so jeb bush was marco rubio. marco rubio is a nice guy. so is jeb bush, but i don't care if he is nice. because i want somebody who is going to make great deals and make us rich again. he can't do it.

marco rubio was not supposed to run. he wouldn't run because his mentor in florida, the state of florida which by the way i beat both of them in the polls. a sitting senator and governor and trump is way up here. it's crazy. but marco rubio was not supposed to win. he announced he was running and people thought it was disrespectful to a person who brought him along. so beautiful. so what happened and it was interesting. i said that was me and if i were bush and i brought somebody along and i'm older than marco and all of a sudden, the young guy that i brought along said i'm running against you and it's

not my turn. i am anxious and driven for myself. he said i am running against him and i don't care. i would really go after that guy. i would say he is the most disloyal guy and he is a terrible person and he is horrible and i hate him. or at least i would say it to myself. probably not to the world, but believe me. i saw them on the stage recently. he is a dear, dear friend. marco is saying i love jeb. you notice jeb never uses his last name? why? because he is ashamed of it. why? if i were marco and particularly if i was jeb, i wouldn't say marco is a good friend of mine. marco did something he was not supposed to do.

i never said this before and i watch these two guys. they are kissing and holding each other. very much like chris christie did with the president. but they are hugging and kissing. they are hugging and kissing and claiming their deep love for each other. i am saying politicians. all talk and no action. we need people that are going to take us to the promised land. we need people who will be great. again, thank you. you look at mexico which is the new china. they are doing great and what's come out. a lot of incoming. he said trump took more incoming. all i did was tell the truth. you look at mexico. the new china. you look at ford building a

massive plant. you look at other companies from europe or all over. a plant was going to be built in tennessee. a billion dollar automobile plant. it's not being built in tennessee anymore. it will go to mexico. nabisco, i have holdings and have a great building in chicago. they have a factory. a big factory and they make oreos. i am never eating them again, ever. ever. maybe if i can find some made in the united states. they are closing the big plant in chicago and they are moving it to mexico. what's going on? how stupid are we? you're right. so where and why are we doing this? why are we allowing it to happen? what i would do if i were president, i would talk to these people. somebody has to talk to them. if you don't talk to them, it's

never going to change. it's never going to happen. you can get them to stay in chicago. you can get them to build someplace else in the country. you can get ford, believe me, to stay this this country. sometimes it's so unfair the trade agreements. if you look at the amount of business that has been moved out whether it's mexico or many other countries, been moved out, it is absolutely uncontrollable. by the people we have currently. woo ke do something to change. i tell this all the time. i go to nabisco or ford. i say fellahs, i don't want you. i have other people ready. so mean and horrible and nobody will want to have dinner with them. they are wall street killers. most of people. they're the greatest negotiators in the world.

i know the best and i know guys are overrated and guys that are really good and you never heard of that are better than all of them. we will use our best. i would say to the head of ford and you heard me say that. that's a big abuse. 2.5 billion to the plant? how many did we close? how many do we do. no tax, no nothing. illegals are going to drive the cars over. it's true. it's true. because it works so nicely.

why drive beautiful cars? they will keep them and live happily for the rest of their lives in the united states. we have to do something about i don't want money. i'm just taking little small contributions for people -- a woman sent $7.32. with a beautiful letter.