right now. >> and a spot of the very rare phrase "i don't know" on cable news. that's like seeing a dodo and unicorn all wrapped up in one. >> yes, sorry to our viewers. it will never happen again. >> it was inspiring. thank you, chris. and thanks to you at home for joining us. i don't know, it has been an absolutely wild day in politics and we have a lot to get to tonight. but we'll stewart the took place a little bit of a cliffhanger. i do not think this was going to get answered this quickly. last night you might remember we reported very late-breaking news that poor old rick perry former governor of texas rick perry had fallen on further hard times in his beleaguered run for the presidency this year. things started to go downhill for rick perry when fox news wouldn't let him into the republican candidates' debate on august 6. fox consigned them to the kids'

table debate instead of the real debate. and then to adjure to that insult rick perry did a bad job at the kids' table debate. since then governor perry has sunk lower in the polls than he was before. he's approaching scratch territory in some polls. his fund-raising is also dried up to the extend that he has had to stop paying all of his campaign staff. well, last night we reported late-breaking news that the chairman of rick perry's presidential campaign in iowa had just quit. he's a man named sam clovis, not a national figure but sam clovis is recognizable in iowa republican and conservative politics. he's a former u.s. senate candidate, a right wing talk radio host in iowa. sam clough clovis has been running rick perry's iowa campaign. last night we reported he was leaving the position. he said he had great admiration for rick perry, he thought it was an excellent man and candidate but said it was "time to move on.

the cliff hanger is that we didn't know where he was moving on to put yourself that mind-set, if you were a republican operative involved in presidential politics this year and for whatever reason you picked the wrong horse, you signed up this year with a candidate who you thought would do great but your candidate is failing. so you signed up with a chris christie or rand paul or rick perry, any of these guys who look like they might have a shot if in your opinion that situation and you as a republican operative decided you were going to switch horses midstream, get off one of those losing campaigns so you could join another more promising one, whose campaign would you join? who would you sign up with? last night we knew sam clovis was breaking up with rick perry in iowa. but we did not know who he was going to jump into bed with

instead. now we know. >> sam clovis, in fact, i think he's probably someplace in the room. where is sam? why don't you answer the question yourself, sam, that would be better? i think so. come up, sam, maybe come up to the mic. and a terrific guy. >> i'm here as the new national co-chair and senior policy advisor for mr. trump in this campaign and i'm excited about the opportunity and a chance to change the status quo in america and i think he's the man that can do it. that's why i'm here. >> up until five minutes ago that man was running the rick perry for president campaign in iowa. but today he let it be known he has signed on with donald trump instead. robert costa at the "washington post" reporting not only that move but a bunch of other ones. the donald trump campaign staffing all over the place. mr. trump not only picked up sam

clovis, this iowa conservative, as a new national co-chair of his campaign. mr. trump also today hired a new state director in nevada. he hired two new staffers in new hampshire, in south carolina he's made two new hires as well including a woman named nancy mace, the first woman to ever graduate from the citadel, now working on donald trump's campaign in south carolina. individually, none of those hires, none of those announcements is the sort of thing that would make for a spectacular and entertaining television from a celebrity candidate. none of those is a celebrity move at all. none of them zingers. but they are the serious staffing hires that will impress whether or not donald trump's campaign for president gets treated as a political campaign rather than just an ongoing and admittedly hilarious publicity stunt. on the political basic, stuff like staffing, stuff like polling was one of the biggest

days donald trump has had since he started running for president. the political news started with this rocket from public policy polling. public policy polling is generally described as a democratic-leaning firm, they are. they were also distinguish bid their accuracy in the last round of presidential polling. ppp put out a poll today from new hampshire and on the republican side in new hampshire mr. trump, look at his lead. look. he leads by the biggest margins of any state all year. he leads by margins that slay all the supposedly more mainstream candidates that are supposed to be trying to keep up with him now. in this new hampshire ppp poll, they have donald trump at 35% of the vote. that's not just him lapping the person in second place that's him lapping the person in second place more than three times. he's more than tripping the poll numbers from the person who does second best against him in that poll.

if you want to get a sense of how dominant he is in new hampshire right now, look at the supposedly most mainstream, most viable candidates in the republican race if you listen to the builtway. if you add up new hampshire support for jeb bush and scott walker and scott walker and combined number, that is what donald trump is getting in new hampshire. that's new hampshire today. ppp. there's also a south carolina poll that's out today for from monmouth. looks the same, donald trump polling at 30%, doubling the candidate doing second best in south carolina and mr. trump is not only way out front, he pushes all these supposedly more viable supposedly more mainstream candidates down into single digits low single digit, total dominance, a huge day for donald trump in those early

state polls news that is very bad. here's one thing to notice. in that p p p poll, yes, donald trump does better than jeb bush or scott walker or new bedford, but none of them even come in second to donald trump in new hampshire. none of them comes in third in new hampshire. donald trump comes in first, second place the john kasich, third place is carly fiorina. what? john kasich doesn't do great in south carolina but carly fiorina does there, too. in that south carolina poll donald trump by a mile, then ben carson is second, jeb bush comes in third in south carolina but then carly fiorina is tied for forty place with marco rubio. carly fiorina relatively speaking is doing great. not donald trump great but her numbers have absolutely been going up in all the places where

it counts and her numbers have been going up steadily even though fox news would not let her compete in the prime time republican candidates debate on august 6, her numbers have been going through the roof since then. what is truly incredible is the next republican presidential candidate hosted by cnn, not fox, cnn, i should say, has been much more transparent, much more above board and professional than fox was in terms of explaining their criteria, but even though cnn has been more transparent about it and their criteria are being published in advance and they don't seem to be bumbling their way through it like fox did. even so, cnn is planning on keeping the kids table format where there's one real prime time debate and one consolation prize other debate that nobody watches and doesn't get taken that seriously and implicitly diss the candidates forced to sit at it. not only is cnn keeping that format that fox used to such

disastrous effect on august 6, not only is cnn keeping that format, but in cnn's case, the criteria they have chosen for who will make the real stage and who will be shunted to the kids table, their criteria is on track to keep carly fiorina at the kids table. in the next debate, even though she's doing so well in these early states around the country. point of personal privilege here, and i've got nothing for or against carly fiorina as a candidate, but that's ridiculous, cnn. that's ridiculous. let them all debate. if you need to break them into two heat, randomly assign them. you'll be fine, seriously. but let them all debate. the kids' table format is an intrusion into the republican presidential primary process. it's complicated, a distraction, a huge disservice to a whole bunch of candidates who do not deserve it. and right now that format is set to keep out of the debate the person running third in new

hampshire beating jeb bush and scott walker and marco rubio and the rest of them. running fourth in south carolina but she is not going to be allowed on to the debate stage by cnn because somehow they believe she doesn't qualify to be there. it's ridiculous, absolutely ridiculous. and there's still time to change it. you should change it. regardless of what happens with that debate, though, and with these lower tiers of republican candidates overall. bottom line story is that the front-runner status of one campaign on the republican side is clearer than it has been in this entire process. donald trump is further out ahead tonight than he has been all along. tonight he's holding a rally in dubuque, iowa, his campaign says they have 3,000 rsvps. before the rally, what was supposed to be a short q&a session with the press went on longer than he expected and he kind of seemed to enjoy himself and kind of let himself get out of hand.

something very unscripted happened today thanks to a reporter named jorge ramos who works at univision. mr. ramos initially was not called on by mr. trump to ask a question but jorge ramos stood up anyway and started asking the questions he wanted to ask. what ensued wasn't a heckler situation because jorge ramos is a reporter but not a heckler. this was a very confrontational and tense moment. and this may have happened before and i don't know about it. but at least as far as i know this is the first time i have seen donald trump, presidential candidate, confronted so bluntly in a way he could not control. and that tells you something about jorge ramos the reporter, but it also today showed us something about donald trump. about about how he deals with direct personal confrontation he was not expecting and it turned out to be super tense and super fascinating to watch.

>> i have a question about immigration. your immigration plan -- >> who's next? sit down, you weren't called. sit down. sit down. >> go ahead. >> i have the right to ask a question. >> no, you don't, is you haven't been called. >> go back to univision. go ahead. >> you cannot deport 11 million people, mr. trump. you cannot deport 11 million people. you cannot -- >> go ahead. go ahead. >> you cannot deny citizenship to -- >> sit down, please. you weren't called. >> i'm a reporter. >> i have the right to ask a question. >> in order. >> i have the right to request ask a question. >> yes, go ahead. yes. >> roger ailes says you need to apologize. >> mr. trump, you're running for president and one of our country's top journalists, the

main anchor of univision was escorted out. do you think you handled that well? >> i don't know much about him. i don't believe i've ever met him and he started screaming. you'll have to talk to security. whoever security is brought him out. i chose you, i chose other people to answer questions. he just stands up and starts screaming so, you know, maybe he's at fault also. i don't know where he is. i don't mind if he comes back, frankly. >> president obama has taken some tough questions from jorge ramos. is there a reason why you won't? >> because he was out of order. i would take his question in two seconds but he started screaming. >> would you let him back in now? >> i told you already if he wanted to i'd love to. but you can't stand up and scream. i was saying something to somebody else and this guy stands up and starts screaming.

he's obviously a very emotional person. i don't know him. i don't have no idea but i would love to have questions from him. >> i don't know him. stick a pin in that for a moment because that's not true. now in terms of them dragging univision reporter jorge ramos out of that room there, i don't know what happened after mr. ramos was taken out of the room but it's interesting. after he was questioned, mr. trump was questioned by other reporters saying "what r you willing to talk to mr. ramos? why won't you answer his questions?" mr. ramos was brought back into the press conference and then donald trump called on him.

>> why do you say is this that? >> you can not that. >> well a lot of people think -- no, excuse me. >> you have to change the constitution. >> but a lot of people think that's not right. that an act of congress can do it. now it's possibly going to have to be tested in courts but a lot of people think that if you come and you're on the other side of the border -- i'm not talking about mexico. somebody on the other side of a border, a woman is getting ready to have a baby, she has the baby all of a sudden for the next 80 years, hopefully longer, but for the next 80 years we have to take care of the baby. no, i don't think so. excuse me, some of the greatest legal scholars and i know some of the television scholars agree with you but some great legal scholars agree that's not true. >> you're not answering the question. >> i am. if you come across for one day, one day and you have a baby now the baby is going to be an american citizen. there are great legal scholars,

the top, that say that's wrong. it's going to be tested. >> the question is how are you going to build a 1900 mile wall? >> very easy. i'm a builder. i build buildings that are 94 -- can i tell you what's more complicated? what's more complicated is building a building that's 59 stories tall. >> but it as a waste of time and money. >> you think so? really, i don't think so. a lot of people don't think so. >> 44% of immigrants come by train. >> i don't believe that. i don't believe it. they have pictures of them crawling over the fences that are this high. >> well, they're coming by train. >> well, they're coming by many different ways but the primary way is being right through past our border patrols who are tremendous people they can do the job but they're told not to.

>> no, we'll do in the a humane fashion, believe me. the one thing we're going to do. >> the one thing we're going to start with immediately are the gangs and the real bad ones and you agree there are some bad ones. do you agree with that or is do you think everyone is just perfect? do you agree with that that we have tremendous crime, we have tremendous problems? is i can't deal with this. listen, we have tremendous crime. we have very bad ones and i think you would agree with that, right? there are a lot of bad one, real bad ones. they looked at the gangs in baltimore and chicago they looked even in ferguson. they have rough illegal immigrants in those gangs. go do you mind if i send them out? if they come from mention cocan i send them back to mexico?

>> if they're criminals, no problem. >> they'll be out so fast your head will spin. >> donald trump tonight with jorge ramos, the univision anchor basically having an extended fight in front of the national press. extended fight with donald trump bragging to jorge ramos who, again, works for univision, it culminated with mr. trump bragging to jorge ramos about how great how beautiful, how huge his lawsuit against univision is. >> i think so because i'm going to bring jobs back. >> how much am i suing univision for right now? do you know the number? tell me. tell me. do you know the number?

you're a part of the lawsuit. how much am i suing univision for. >> the question is, mr. trump, i'm a reporter -- >> it's $500 million. and they're very concerned about it. i have to tell you. i'm very good at this stuff. >> when he remember when he said he didn't know who jorge ramos was? "you're part of the lawsuit." now jorge ramos wanted it to be about donald trump's immigration policies, pressing him for specifics and specifics, mr. trump wanted it to be about how giant his univision lawsuit is. is he said he would sue univision after univision dropped trump in protest for his anti-immigrant comments on the campaign trail. this is the first time we have seen mr. trump as a presidential front-runner have to deal with an extended personal confrontation. nothing like this happened in the debate, right? with him as the increasingly distant front-runner for the republican nomination, this was the first of these kinds of confrontations he had. it probably won't be the last.

i mean, the way mr. trump has dealt with critical press coverage up until now has been to banish certain news outlets or pick fights with certain news outlet he is thinks have been too harsh with him. this exact press availability today in dubuque, iowa. he banished somebody from that. the "des moines register" had their dubuque, iowa, reporter at that event and the trump campaign banned the "des moines register's" reporter from this press availability because of an editorial the "des moines register" wrote a couple months ago criticizing mr. trump's comments about john mccain. so he's used to banish news outlet he is doesn't like. in terms of television media, mr. trump has engaged in an on going and increasingly heated fight with the fox news channel, of all places where he is deciding he doesn't like one of the fox news channel's prime time hosts his objections have led to him to threat on the

boycott all appearances on that network. which might cause the fox news network to collapse, i don't know. it's one thing to control the universe in which you operate. all campaigns try to do that to some extent. ultimately you have to campaign in the real world which includes confrontation and people who don't like you and people who will say not nice things to you and won't shut up when you ask them to. today we started that chapter of the donald trump era in republican presidential politics. oy vey. >> i do a lot of things by myself. people would be surprised. [ laughter ] people are shocked at how smart i am. right? thank you. thank you.

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out of all the candidates in the republican field, there's one candidate who's appeared on fox news channel more than any other -- by a mile. guess which one? >> to donald trump on if these type of events are just asking for trouble. he joins me on the phone. >> great to see you, mr. trump. >> donald trump is on the phone. >> so he wanted his first post-announcement interview to be on the factor. good for us. here it is. >> 2016 gop presidential candidate himself and the latest one to get in and create the most noise arguably donald trump. >> moments ago donald trump going on the record. >> donald trump, welcome. >> thank you. >> joining us now from his new york city headquarters is donald trump. >> i think the gop establishment is afraid of donald trump and i asked him why.

>> joining us from his lavish headquarters in new york city is donald trump. >> hon and hon and hon and on. and if three months leading up to the first republican presidential debate on august 6, those three months donald trump appeared on fox news channel dozens of times. more than any other republican presidential candidate. donald trump any time, any place early morning on fox news, daytime on fox news, prime time on fox news, on set, on the phone from his lavish headquarters in new york. donald trump before the august 6 debate was a potted plant if fox news studio crew members kept finding new sunny places for. he was always there: i mean, ahead of getting into the race, right? donald trump was a celebrity but in terms of making the leap that he has made from celebrity to political candidate. no entity midwifed that process more effectively than fox news did. fox news basically gave him a rolling live platform on which he could become more of a

candidate on their airwaves everyday. ing in thursday august 6 when it turned out mr. trump did not like the way fox news asked him questions in that first debate. didn't like what the fox news hosts and moderators were asking him about. he expressed displeasure about that on social media and on tv news over and over and over again. but not on fox news. he stopped going on the fox news channel after that first debate. he had been wallpaper on the fox news channel. he was all over fox news basically everyday until that debate. that thursday night at the beginning of august. that after that debate he didn't go on fox news the following friday, saturday, or sunday. in fact, that sunday after the first debate he went on almost every other tv network news show in the country -- but not fox use. by monday morning he had still not been back on fox news, but by monday evening they made up.

the "new york times" reporting that donald trump and the fox news president roger ailes spoke monday night after the debate and all was well again. mr. trump told the "times" "i assured mr. trump we'll continue to cover this campaign with fairness and balance. we had a blunt but cordial conversation and the air has been cleared." and it was. the following morning mr. trump was back on with "fox and friends" like the good old days. some truce was worked out in that phone call. the air was clear. now that truce is over. the war is back on, the leading contender for the republican presidential nomination is back at war with the unofficial official tv network of the republic party that's hard to understand. for whatever reason mr. trump kicked it back on. he went back to criticizing fox news, specifically criticizing

megyn kelly. he sent out a series of tweets and retweets criticizing her and her fox news show, sometimes in profane terms. in response something very unusual happened. fox news a competitor of ours at msnbc but they're also something unlike anything else in the media landscape. they are republican party television. so we compete with them but we cover them as a republican entity, you have to. so in that context i have been covering fox news as a republican political entity for years now. over those years that i have been covering them in that way, i cannot remember a time when they did anything like this before they did this today. the head of fox news is roger ailes. he's very skilled at his job. fox has achieved unimaginable

success specially and in terms of their remember party influence under his iron-fisted direction at fox. but as far as i know he has never before responded to criticism in the way he did today. first there was this blizzard from fox news talent. clearly mr. ailes or somebody else at fox news gave a directive or suggestion or go ahead to the talent across the fox news channel that they should go ahead and criticize donald trump publicly, they should criticize him specifically for the way he went after that one fox news host. almost simultaneously there was a torrent of statements from fox news talent telling donald trump he's wrong and must never say anything like that again about a fox news host. then mr. ailes himself put out what i think is an unprecedented statement and not only put it out in writing.

they read it on live tv. and through all of the years i have spent goggling at fox news and being amazed at the things they will do, i have never seen them do something like this. >> donald trump tweeted out personal attacks about our own megyn kelly. our boss roger ailes has just issued this statement. he writes "donald trump's surprise and unprovoked attack on megyn kelly during her program last night is as unacceptable as it is disturbing. megyn kelly represents the best of merge journalism and all of us at fox news channel reject the crude and irresponsible attempts to suggest otherwise. i could not more proud of megyn for her professionalism and class in the face of mr. trump's verbal assaults. her questioning of mr. trump at the debate was tough but fair and i fully support her as she continues to ask the probing and challenging questions that all presidential candidates may find

difficult to answer. donald trump rarely apologizes, although in this case he should. we have never been deterred by politicians or anyone else attacking us for doing our job, much less allowed ourselves to be bullied by anyone and we're not going to start now. all of our journalists will continue to report in the fair and balanced way that's made fox news channel the number one news network in the industry." >> the number one news net new york the industry. of course they have to end it with that. they always do that, it's so funny. they always do that. fox's highest-rated host is this man, who you may recognize, his name is bill o'reilly. one of the very funny and very reliable things about mr. bill o'reilly for years now is that wherever he gets called out for anything -- for example, earlier this year it was revealed he was not telling the truth about his time covering the faulk lands for what the '80s. fox news's response to questions and criticism about that was

really, really funny. in our covering that scandal we sent fox news questions about bill o'reilly's reporting in argentina in the 1980s. their response to us was "here are a bunch of documents showing just how great bill o'reilly's ratings are." totally irrelevant. and funny. fox news is very commercially successful but the "our ratings are bigger" response is part of the reason nobody takes them too seriously as a supposed news organization. now we know, though, this is godzilla versus mothra part. now we me one funny thing about fox news, they're -- you criticize them, tae say they have great ratings. we know that is not only true about them, but donald trump. because here is how donald trump rejected this unprecedented statement of criticism.

he put out his own statement in response to roger ailes saying how wrong fox news and roger ailes are to defend this most megyn kelly and he reiterates how much he doesn't like her then he finishes up his statement with this. look. "more importantly" [ laughter ] "more importantly, i'm very pleased to see the latest polls from public policy polling showing me at a strong number one with 35% in new hampshire and the monmouth university poll showing me at number one with 30% in south carolina. it feels also just announced that i won the prestigious corn kernel poll at the iowa state fair by a landslide." look at my landslide in the corn kernel poll. sometimes the universe delivers poetic justice. on the one hand this feels like godzilla versus mothra. republican news network versus front-runner republican presidential candidate. two monsters of roughly the same size.

how can i fight between them end? on the other hand, if you want a more specific monster metaphor that may be more accurate, it may be less godzilla and mothra and more like frankenstein and his own monster because when donald trump wanted to become a real candidate and not a celebrity, when he wanted to start being treated like a candidate, fox news did that for him. they created this thing. which they are now fighting. and the fight is happening on the exact terms that fox news itself invented. ignoring the substance totally and fighting on the basis of "my ratings are bigger, my poll numbers are bigger therefore i can't hear you and i don't have to hear you." that's been pure fox news for years now. now it's pure donald trump and the way he's at war with fox news.

in an era where fox news is dominant as republican television, can a republican candidate for president win without them? or more to the point, can a republican candidate for president win while being against them? my personal sense is no. my personal sense is fox news will endure no matter who the nominee is and there can be no republican presidential nominee without fox news championing them. but that's my personal take. if the republican front-runner and fox are at war, then that person cannot be the republican front-runner anymore. fox must win. i know it has to end that way someday. but i do not know how we get there. i want his bedroom to smell like he's away at boarding school. surround yourself with up to 6 hours of

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>> roger ailes said you need to apologize to megyn kelly. would l you do that? >> no, i would don't that. she should be apologizing to me. >> reporter: why does she need to apologize to you? >> because i thought her questioning and attitude was totally inappropriate. if you look -- all you have to do is look on the internet today and you'll see who people favor in that one.

but i couldn't -- it's a very small element in my life, megyn kelly, i don't care about megyn kelly. no i would not apologize. she should probably apologize to me but i just don't care. >> it takes two seconds. >> why? >> when people treat me unfairly i don't let them forget. maybe we should have more of that in the country and maybe the country wouldn't be pushed around so much. >> donald trump defending his war were the unofficial official channel of the republican party. he's been a permanent fixture on fox news channel programs this year but he spent last night and today and tonight attacking the fox news channel and the fox news channel spent the day and the night tonight attacking him right back. what happens where the republican nomination and the place where republicans decide

they watch tv decide they're not on speaking terms. joining us is katy tur, she was there at the press availability today. great to see you. >> you, too, rachel. >> i have to ask you about this huge confrontation between jorge ramos from univision and donald trump today. in your opinion the room. what happened there? did anyone know that would happen? >> well, jorge ramos was sitting one person down from me and we saw that he was on one of her colleagues planes. he's been trying to get an interview with donald trump since the racist -- not the racist, the immigrant remarks earlier this -- a couple months ago when he was announcing for his presidency. he has not been able to get an interview with him so we knew when he was there there was going to be fireworks. donald trump came in, took the first question from carl cameron of fox news then jorge ramos stood up and started asking him about -- trying to ask him about

the 11 million undocumented immigrants in this country. trump immediately felt like he did not want to answer that question. he felt sandbagged by having ramos there and he felt threatened and kept saying "sit down, sit down." at one point he looked at his body man and giving him just a look to say "get this guy out of here" and that's when he was escorted out. it was a tense moment within the room but i think everybody in there knew it was coming because they had seen jorge there and they knew he was trying to get an interview with him for quite some time. >> katy, in all the time you have been covering this presidential campaign this year, seeing mr. trump at these events, obviously he's getting big crowds and lots of reporters. have you ever seen him have a confrontation like that before today? >> no, that was maybe the strongest confrontation he has had. he usually gets into a scuffle with reporters during the press conferences. he's told me to sit down. he's told another reporters he

think it's a dumb question, he's never been polite to reporters. this might have been the most tense exchange. everyone expected there to be fireworks within that room. >> katy tur nbc news correspondent following the trump campaign, katy, thank you very much. >> thanks. >> we have lots ahead tonight. including that promised reaganesque remodeled sheep barn. please stay with us.

if you're feeling like you haven't seen or heard from democratic presidential front-runner hillary clinton in a little while, that's because he she's been on vacation, taking a break from the campaign she's been in the hamptons. tomorrow the break is over she's to hold three events in iowa tomorrow and then ohio and minnesota. the big news for her campaign today came actually from new hampshire. big political news out of new hampshire this morning was not just that donald trump has widened his lead even further

over his republican rivals in new hampshire. the other news is that bernie sanders is winning there. bernie sanders is leading hillary clinton in new hampshire 42-35 in the poll out today. the second poll to show bernie sanders leading hillary clinton. earlier it was a boston herald poll showing her leading by seven points and now he is leading. tell me why vice president joe biden is the guy who could challenge hillary clinton from the left.

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nbc news presents, preview, the 1976 republican national convention. now reporting from the nbc news convention center in kansas city, here are john chancellor and david brinkley. >> kansas city has done a good job setting up for the first political convention since 1928. it has even emptied a barn, normally filled with sheep, run air conditioning in to it and made offices in it for republicans and what kansas city gets for its effort is a convention genuinely interesting.

>> nbc's david brinkley not lying when he said it was going to be genuinely interesting. that republican convention in 1976 was the last time we went in to a convention not knowing who the nominee was going to be from a major party. at the time gerald ford was president. that was thanks to richard nixon. gerald ford had never been elected president or even vice president. the republicans had to decide whether they wanted to nominate ford for a whole term in his own rite. he was facing a strong challenge from reagan. it was a dramatic situation heading in to that convention in 1976. news agencies were keeping a rolling rip count about whether ford had enough delegates to sew it up. if reagan dowd take it away from him. the reagan campaign was so freaked out by looking 'the whip count was going against them, three weeks ahead of the convention, they decided on the reagan campaign they would throw the biggest hail mary they could

think of. >> as i now feel the people of the delegates have a right to know in advance of the convention, who the nominee's vice presidential choice will be, i am departing from tradition and announcing my selection. i have chosen the distinguished united states senator from pennsylvania, the honorable richard schweiker. >> never been done before. surprised everything. the front page of the "new york times" said a total surprise. a bold gamble. make or break move. turns out it was a break. not a make. reagan did something no one had ever done before, he announced his running mate ahead of the convention. it didn't work. ford got the nomination and earned him the privilege to lose in the general election to jimmy carter. for reagan in '76 when you are desperate you are desperate and so many hail mary moves in politics.

right now things are unsettled and unprecedented enough in a lot of ways in this presidential race that possibility, that ronald reagan 1976 hail mary move is being talked about as a possibility on the democratic side. there was a huge amount of press over a meeting held between vice president biden and elizabeth warren for further steam under the kettle arriving when senator warren said she didn't want to talk about whether she would run for re-election of her senate seat. now it is raised the possibility of elizabeth warren running with joe biden. them running as a team. 0 so much interest in that, there was a stakeout outside of her house in cambridge, massachusetts, for people to get a comment on the possibility of this being a story. you know, if they did it, i don't know that would make the prospect of mr. biden's run more viable or likely, but something

is happening. something is going on. today "politico".com reporting that vice president biden's inner circle is lining up donors even before he formally makes a decision. we know that vice president biden is planning to meet with major democratic fund-raisers over the labor day weekend. now there's new news from the "new york times" today about the national democratic party meeting which is happening this week. all five candidates set to address that meeting on friday. lincoln chafee, jim webb, bernie sanders and hillary clinton speaking on friday. vice president biden declined an invitation to address the meeting. they called for the vice president and five dnc members on the iran deal. two said they couldn't remember a conference call with mr. bide on the foreign policy issue before.

i have been a skeptic from the beginning that joe biden is going to run, but something is going on here and it cannot remain a mystery much longer. stst wednesday august 26th. right now on first look. the front runner verses the news anchor for a poplar news organization. >> okay. who is next? excuse me. sit down. sit down. sit down. >> that was just the beginning. then we will show you what is happening with the stocks. then the south carolina teen that went missing on the first day of school. the boy that ruined a million and a half dollar work ochl ou