. these other guys go around and make speeches to 20 people. they say the same speech. i say we should outlaw tell he prompters for anybody. right? for anybody, for anybody running for president. you should -- you know how easy that would be. instead of this i'm working my ass off. okay? >> oh, my god. you guys go on with your day. you're just going to run those clips. okay. >> all right.

let's do it. >> i mean, my god. >> so you called me last night. >> my parents called me. >> it was an incredible show. >> there was, i mean, i think a lot of people have different opinions about it. we have to be careful. it started with a news conference that ended probably unexpectedly for one reporter. and then this speech. mike barnicle is here. howard dean is with us in washington. that should be interesting a long with willie, joe and me. we do have some polls. let's start with the big picture. >> all right. >> then we'll go into the fireworks. >> all right. >> south carolina republicans are threatening to "leverage donald trump," was hoping to keep until he secures the nomination. they're making all candidates who file to run in their primary sign a pledge not to run as a third party candidate. the signature is due by september 30th and trump says he's still deciding. this as a new poll shows trump winning big in the primary

doubling ben carson at 15%. lindsey graham, state senior senator is polling at just 4%. and in new hampshire, another poll shows trump firmly in the lead with 35%, 24 points ahead of, look who's in second. >> let's look at this for a second. just hold that up in the south carolina poll. willie, it's not even close anymore. >> it's not. >> you look at south carolina, we've gone from donald trump's limit is 20 and 22 and it's 23. now he's up at 30 and 35%. now they're going to tell us that that's his ceiling as well. everything he says, everything experts have said about donald trump has been dead wrong. >> first and foremost, congratulations again on winning the masters. >> he actually is entered. >> let me say it again. i regret it was overshadowed because year after nicholas. >> it was '87.

my apologies who actually won in '87. >> as for trump, you don't have to like the guy to sit and objectively say there is a phenomenon happening right now. >> there's no question. >> you don't think he's going to be the nominee, he's going to be the president of the united states. you have to take seriously what he's doing. he's up by 15 points in south carolina. he's up by 24 points in new hampshire. these are the states that matter out of the gate. you can say he's a joke. you can hang on to that if you want to. clearly, voters don't agree with you. >> they don't agree with you. and, yeah, you can't -- one thing can you not say that people remarkably are still saying is well, of course there's no way to win the nomination. you cannot say that. people who said that were the same people that said he's not going to run. they've been proven wrong time and time and time again. people storming off the set because we dare to say that he might even be relevant in the process. >> right. i think also what happened yesterday has yet to be determined in terms of how it

will play out. when i saw it, i thought okay they're going to be some reporters including those especially at univision. i'm not sure it's going to go as they expect. donald trump went to iowa last night and he picked up the support of rick perry's former state chairman. he had a clash with univision and jorge ramos who went to iowa to question trump and did he so at the start of the press conference when someone else asked a question. >> okay, who's next? yeah, please. >> mr. trump -- >> excuse me, sit down. you weren't called. sit down. >> i have a right to ask a question? >> no, you don't. you haven't been called. >> go back to univision. >> this is the question, you cannot deport 11 million people. can you not build a 1900 mile wall. you cannot deny citizenship to

children in this country. >> sit down. >> you were not called. >> i'm a reporter -- don't touch me, sir. you cannot touch me. i have the right to ask a question. >> yes, in order. >> i have a right to ask a question. >> go ahead. >> you're running for president and one of the country's top journalists, main anchor of univision was just escorted out of your news conference, did you handle that situation correctly? >> i don't know much about him. i don't believe i've ever met him except he started screaming. i didn't escort him out. you have to talk to security. but certainly he was not chosen -- i chose you. i chose other people. you're asking me questions. he just stands up and starts screaming. so, you know, maybe he's at fault also. but i don't consider that. somebody walked him out. i don't know where he s i don't mind if he comes back, frankly.

>> president obama has faced sufficient questions from jose ramos but you won't. is there a reason? >> because he was out of order. he stood up and started screaming. >> you would let him back in now? >> if he'd come back in, i can have im. you can't stand up and somebody else scream. i was saying, yes? and this guy stands up and starts screaming. he's obviously a very emotional person. okay? so i have no problem with it. i don't know him. i have no idea. i would certainly love to have questions from him. >> yeah. i'm sorry. actually what was happening was the other guy was answering a question when this guy started going. i'm sorry at home and this might shock and stun and deeply sadden a lot of people. people are sick and tired of reporters standing up and yelling questions, in this case, where he was clearly yelling questions out of turn. and so i don't know. mika?

>> it's a tough one. i think the story is going to speak for itself and the reaction to it will speak for itself. i know how it's going to go. i'm not going to bother to say it. >> if president obama were standing there and somebody else was asking a question and somebody decided to stand up and make a political statement -- the guy flew all the way out there to ask a question. i think i'd seen him on cnn last night. this is a very big moment for him. this is 15 minutes of fame. and you can be shocked and stunned and deeply saddened at his immigration policy. but if i'm holding a press conference and you saw a guy trying to get his 15 minutes of fame the night before, you know, and pretending he was walter cronkite on the convention floor or dan rather on the convention floor with daily stugz pulling him out when actually this was all staged by you. >> i'm putting the filter back on. >>, no i'm sorry. it's just the truth. the guy was making a

political -- you have a question to ask. ask a question. if you want to make a political statement, you can hold your own press conference. >> reporters are not hired necessarily to be polite. >> right. >> that's true. >> and they shouldn't be. i'm totally with that. >> we're not polite. >> the other aspect of it, he'll get very little credit for it, trump handled that very well. he handled it very well. >> ten minutes later he was allowed back in and trump called on him, twice. here's part of their exchange. >> so here's the problem with your immigration plan it's full of empty promises. can you not deport 11 million undocumented immigrants. you cannot deny citizenship to children in this country. >> why do you say that? >> you cannot do that. >> well, a lot of people -- excuse me. a lot of people think that's not

right. that an act of congress can do it. now it's possibly going to have to be tested in courts. a lot of people think that if you come and you're on the other side of the -- i'm not talking about mexico. somebody on the other side of the border, a woman is getting trod have a baby. she crosses the border one day and has the baby and then for the next 80 years, hopefully longer, but for the next 80 years we have to take care of the people. i don't think -- no. i don't think so. excuse me. some of the greatest legal scholars, and i know some of the television scholars agree with you, but some of the great legal scholars agree that that's not true. that if you come across -- excuse me. just one second. >> so the question is how are you going to build a 1900 mile wall? >> very easy. i'm a builder. i build buildings that are -- i can tell you what is more complicated? what's more complicated is building a building that is 95 stories tall. okay? >> you cannot do that?

>> really. >> how you are going to do that? >> here's what we're going to do. >> you are going to bring the army? >> we're going to do it in a very humane fashion. i have a bigger heart than you. the one thing we're going to do -- >> is one question you want to ask and then can we move on? >> the one thing we're going to start with immediately are the gangs. and the real bad ones. do you agree with that or do you think everyone is just perfect? no. i asked you a question. do you agree with that? we have tremendous crime. we have tremendous problems. >> i can't deal with this. listen. we have tremendous crime. we have tremendously -- we have some very bad ones. i think you would agree with that, right? >> yes, sir. >> there are a lot of real bad ones. go ahead. >> i want to ask about the latino vote. you say you're going to win the latino vote. >> i think. so because i'm going to bring jobs back. >> i have seen the polls.

univision polls say 75% -- >> do you know how much i'm suing them for? and you know you're part of the lawsuit. how much am i suing univision for? >> i'm a reporter. >> it's $500 million. and they're very concerned about it. i'm very good at this stuff. >> okay. >> wow. >> as i said from the beginning, he gave a lecture. he wasn't asking a question. i don't know what politician would have been actually that -- i wouldn't have been that patient with him. i would have said you have a question? hold your own press conference. >> he has the absolute right to stand and ask a question. >> he does. >> which trump gave him that right in an extended basis. he asked several questions. but at some point you have to realize that he's involved. mr. ramos is involved in a debate with mr. trump, not a question and answer period. it's a debate. >> he doesn't ask him a question from the very beginning, willie. he's lecturing him.

you can't do. this you can't do that. i'm sorry, i think he was a lot more patient than barack obama would have been if somebody lectured -- barack obama would not allow someone to stand up and lecture him that long. ask a question. >> i would hesitate to compare trump to the president of the united states yet. but remember that exchange with major garrett when he said -- asked something and perceived impolite and the media went crazy. so that's to your point. the backdrop is he's suing univision for $500 million. i don't like to see any journalist hauled out of a room like that physically, but there's a way press conferences work. and donald trump clearly would have called on jorge ramos. he called on him twice after the fact. and kacie hunt was in the room. she's in iowa. what was it like in the room? >> i think it was extraordinarily uncomfortable

and difficult situation. on the one hand you're right. i've been in hundreds of these types of press conferences. often you get to know the politician you're asking questions of whether they like to call on people whether it is a question of who yells the loudest. both go different ways. i think in this particular case there were other options for trump than to have him ejected right at the beginning. i do think it's interesting that he ultimately brought him back in. that's in some ways a mea culpa for trump. you know as well as anyone that he really doesn't tend to back down off of anything n this case, he did let ramos back into the room. he also suggested that he didn't know who ramos was in the follow up questions. but his first response did mention univision. i think that maybe a little bit questionable as well. at the end of the day, trump did bring ramos back into the room. he was able to, as you saw, have that exchange. >> but, kacie, as a reporter,

what do you think about another -- i'll put it in quotation marks right now. another reporter giving a speech while the rest of you just watch and turning a press conference into a grand spectacle? >> look, joe, i think that all of us have to decide how we're going to conduct ourselves in those rooms. right? i do think that at what happened at the top of that back and forth, the idea that somebody's going to be thrown out, silenced, not allowed to ask a question is something he gives a lot of reporters pause. >> but, kacie, he wasn't asking a question. i'm asking you as a reporter what do you think when a guy stands up and doesn't ask a question and he begins at the top delivering a lecture? >> well, look, joe, the reality is jorge ramos has a particular perspective on this issue. that's different from a lot of other reporters in the room. you can have a legitimate debate

about how that fits into what these press conferences should be and how they should work. i will say that president obama has also taken pretty difficult questions and you may argue lectures from jorge ramos over the years. he suggested in one year that obama was the deportner chief which obama took not very well and it ended up in a testy exchange. >> let me just touch -- i was in a one-on-one situation. i'm not taking sides here. i just want to add some context and you take it back to kacie. they do know each other. i believe he is the anchor who donald trump instagrammed a letter he wrote that included a cell phone number. there is tension between those two already. and it's been contentious. and there's this lawsuit that -- they absolutely know who each other and who they are and the context. so it was already beginning with a little bit of stress. the guy jumped in at the top. he started delivering a little bit of a lecture or at least

kind of -- he clearly had a position that he was intent on pushing. and he wasn't thrown -- donald trump didn't say throw him out. his guy keith just kind of walked over-and-backed him out of the room. and trump brought him back in and answered three questions. so just for clarity, wasn't thrown out. and he did answer questions. i thought it was brilliantly played by trump. >> except for the fact they weren't questions. they were one lecture after another lecture and him lecturing donald trump on the constitution. i'm sorry, i'm going to say it. if i'm a reporter in that room, i'm going to say if you want to deliver a lecture, get a room and we'll go and we'll ask you questions. >> kacie is absolutely right. it had a to be -- i've been in the rooms. it had to be uncomfortable for the rest of the media. you don't want to tell mr. ramos, hey, sit down. you asked your question. you don't want to do. that it is an uncomfortable

situation. >> jorge ramos made no secret this is personal between he and donald trump. he mentioned the cnn interview two nights ago. he said explicitly that donald trump's stance on immigration i take personally because of my background and audience i represent. so there's no question he was this there with an agenda. there is no question he was grandstanding in that moment. i don't think he should have been physically hauled out of the room. >> but trump got him to admit that his point about immigrants, it was really uncomfortable. >> i will tell you this. there are a lot of politicians i believe and if not count me as one that would do it. if somebody came in and you had a lot of reporters there and a guy was grandstanding and deciding to deliver a lecture. here's the deal, dude. you have a question? because if you have a question, i'll answer your question. but if you're going to deliver a speech go, next door. this is a press conference. anyway, kacie, thank you so

much. let's go to the phone. we have republican presidential candidate car lee fiorina. we have a lot more trum top play. carly, hey, man. the new hampshire poll that came out yesterday showed a big jump by you and john kasich, especially. you're in third place now in new hampshire according to that poll that usually gets it right, public policy polling. what do you think? >> well, i'm in the top five in most every other state poll and well within the top ten in national polls. what i think is when people see me, they hear me, they listen to me, they tend to support me. so i'm going to keep talking to as many people as i can. >> and right now there's a concern about these debates. i guess the next debate is cnn debate an how they're polling things. don't you think -- i was thinking of this yesterday n college football, they have a way that they actually do it by computers and it is sort of a

combination of things. don't you think states like new hampshire and iowa should be weighted much more than these national polls that are beauty contests that actually don't really have any bearing on who wins ultimately? >> well, i do. we don't have national primary. we have statewide primary. and there are loads of state polls now, not just in iowa and new hampshire but in south carolina and nevada and georgia, a lot of other places. there are loads of state polls. they all say the same thing. i'm in the top five. and i didn't think fox news rules were particularly good using national polls. i don't think the cnn rules are particularly good especially since they go all the way back to mid-july. you know what? i don't have any impact over the rules. i think that's why people are losing trust in the media, frankly, and are upset in many cases with the rnc. but what i'm going to do is what i've been doing which is take advantage of every opportunity i'm given and get out there and talk to as many voters as i can,

eyeball to eyeball, face-to-face, hear what their concerns are and answer every single question they have. >> some of the other candidates -- i'm trying not to have said you have zero chance of making it. yet, slow and steady you're climbing in the polls. is there a strategy to this? you came in here and had a very clear strategy. i think you confronted othe eed us and said you're underestimating me. >> as i said to you both, and thanks so much for having me on, i started out as a secretary in a nine person state park. i've been underestimated all my life. but i also have a clear track record of challenging the status quo and producing results. that's how you go from secretary to the chief executive of the largest technology company in the world. and i think i bring the resume that no one else can match. i understand how the economy works. i understand the world, how it works and who's in it. i understand bureaucracy and how

they work which is important because we have to cut the federal government bureaucracy finally down to size. not just talk about it, do it. i understand technology. and i do understand as well that leadership is about producing results, not giving a nice speech. you cannot lead unless you're prepared to challenge the status quo. i think i bring something very unique to the table. i think voters agree with me that the more they see, the more they like. >> carly fear ina, theve lly fi donald trump right now, 35% where you're in second place and 30%, up by 15 points in the state of south carolina. how do you account for his continued rise? >> you know, i think donald trump is perhaps as much as anything a big wakeup call to

the professional-political class and the media. people are tired of both. and they don't trust either one anymore. i think what donald trump taps into is a disgust with professional-political class, a belief that the game is rigged and that in part whether this is fair or not, the media helped rig it. i think people want truth telling in politics. i can remember being challenged on multiple sunday shows just as an example about the fact that i said hillary clinton has lied. lied about benghazi, lied about her e-mails, lied about her server. and the media said oh, my gosh, those are such harsh words. by any common sense definition of the term, she's lied. so i think donald trump's a wakeup call to a lot of folks, the professional-political establishment for one and the media for another. having said all that, i think what presidential campaigns do is reveal character over time

and under pressure. i think character will be revealed of all the candidates over time and under pressure. >> miss fiorina, it's mike barnicle. do you believe in birthright citizenship? >> i think it is in our constitution. i do not support amending the constitution. and frankly, in this regard, honestly, i think donald trump is acting a lot like the politician he explores. let's hold a bright sunny object and end birthright citizenship. it's not going to happen. whether people are for it or not, it's not going to happen. the reason i say as a distraction is because what i will do is expend all of my political capital and political energy on doing the one thing we haven't done for 25 years. let's secure the border. let's fix the legal immigration system which is such a huge part of the reason we have so many illegal immigrants. talk, talk, talk, talk, it's all anybody's been doing for 25

years. we need to buckle down and get this stuff done. it's not rocket science. >> carly fiorina, doing something radical. coming out in support of the 14th amendment which a lot of other republicans, people like in my party are not doing. thank you, carly. we greatly appreciate you being here. >> talk to you soon. >> take care. >> by the way, we have howard dean down in washington. howard, we're going to get to you. i really -- i talked a lot about your rally many bryant park. i think that was in august of '03. >> it was. >> you captivated the country at that time. on the other side of this really want to get to you and talk about a couple things. the trump phenomenon which here we are in august eight years later, i think -- it is eight? i guess it's eight. no, 12. >> seems like 20. >> and then also bernie sanders. and just talk about august. we need to put all this in perspective. i know you're more qualified

than anybody. put it in perspective and talk about what needs to happen between now and iowa. >> also, still ahead on "morning joe," jorge ramos confrontation was just the warmup. we have plenty more of donald trump's day on the campaign trail and his vent event was last night, we'll just have to show it to you. >> and bob costa joins us with trump's big staffing moves and key battle grounds. and later, james carville and mary madeline join us from new orleans to talk politics and to mark the tenth anniversary of hurricane katrina. we'll be right back. many wrinkle creams come with high hopes, but hope... doesn't work on wrinkles. neutrogena® rapid wrinkle repair has the fastest retinol formula... to work on fine lines and even deep wrinkles in just one week. neutrogena®.

what do you think they'll be doing?

okay. so that press conference in iowa was just the pregame. we have a lot more to talk about with that. we have to show you trump when he then went on to speak in front of another huge rally where he let loose on his opponents. washington, and the summer of trump. >> a great journalist called me

and he said could i ask you one question, mr. trump? what? how does it feel? how does what feel? he said this was the summer of trump. do you believe this? how good is that for my ego? is that good? you know, it's one thing to have the summer of trump. doesn't mean anything unless we win both the nomination and we got to beat hillary or whoever is running. whoever is running. no. otherwise it doesn't -- it doesn't mean anything. i don't know. does it? it doesn't -- if you lose, like, what does it all matter? i have heard that jeb bush was the mentor to marco rubio. two nice people. marco rubio wasn't supposed to run. then' announced he's running. people thought it was disrespectful to a person that brought him along. i thought that was me. if i were bush and i brought somebody along and i -- i'm older than marco. and all of a sudden the guy, the young guy that i brought along said i'm running against you and

it's not my turn but i don't care because i'm really anxious. i'm really driven. for myself i'm driven. and he said i'm running against him and i don't care. i would really go after that guy. i'd say he's the moesst disloya guy. he's a terrible person. he's horrible and i hate him. i saw him on a stage recently. i saw him on stage and jeb said he is a dear friend of mine and marco is saying i love jeb. and i watch these two guys. and they're hugging and kissing and holding each other. very much like actually chris christie did with the president. every country in the world thinks that the united states is represented by stupid people. and they're right, of course. no they're wrong. very stupid people. we have kerry that goes on

bicycle races. he's in a bicycle race. he's 73 years old. he falls and breaks his leg. this is our chief negotiator. they're looking at him like what a schmuck. something happened. i promise this is not going to happen to me. something happens in washington. they get elected. they're really going to do a job. they're all enthused, we're going to end obama care. there is something about washington. they look at the beautiful buildings and beautiful halls and all of a sudden they become impetent. is that an inappropriate word? i think. so they become just -- it doesn't work. put those two together. >> i'd rather not. howard dean, i want to go to you. >> help. >> you know what? it's free form, man. it's free form political jabs. >> and it's going to a new level. >> but somehow when he started talking about the phoniness between marco rubio and jeb bush, i stopped and i go, oh, wait a second.

all right. that's what ties all of this together. >> there is 100% correct. >> because when he says i would hate the guy, but then i hear this phoniness between the two. i go wait a second. that's why people like him. because he's calling out political phonies. it's just crazy. it's flying a plane upside down and hard for people that have been in the business -- can you please explain? what is happening on both sides right now? >> i wish i could explain. i happen to see that live last night and i was just stunned. and if i said any of that -- half of that stuff that he said, i would have been gone the next day. >> but howard, a lot of what he said is true. >> about the phoniness? >> it's a little exaggerated. but, yeah. >> howard, go ahead. >> i don't think bush and rubio were hugging and kissing each other. >> okay, got it.

>> but howard, go ahead though. explain. again, you've been there. and you've seen on a much different sort of platform and stage though people hungry for truth tellers who cut through. i'm not comparing you to donald trump, blah, blah, blah. but you saw it also in august of 2003 people so disgusted with the political establishment. they wanted somebody then, you, that would cut through the crap. >> yeah. and the one similarity is that donald trump is running against his own party, as was i. because he feels like his party lost its way. and there are a fair number of people in the republican party this year as there were in the democratic party my year that believe that's true. that believe their party let them down, hasn't done what they promised they would do. with the exception of the jorge ramos thing, i have never seen

anybody more masterful doing what he's doing after he got through the jorge ramos stuff. i thought he handled jorge ramos very well the second time. but kicking him out was enormous concern. >> and we can get to that. >> you already talked about that. he was masterful the second part. >> i turned to mika half way through the speaking and everything and i said i think he is shifting to another gear. and you obviously picked up that last night, too. >> i think so, too. i couldn't believe the way he handled -- now he got awfully close to the edge. of course, he's gone over the edge five times in this campaign and just seems to make him stronger. >> yeah. >> he's got a good sense of timing. he knows his crowd. he knows his audience. it's just shocking. it's real phenomenon. it's an amazing thing to watch. >> it is. and that's the thing. i didn't see last night live, but i was watching the speech in

mobile -- no, it was new hampshire. the first time i actually saw him totally free form. i sat there with my mouth open. like he -- a the love times he just wouldn't say complete sentences. it doesn't matter. the audience is like completing sentences for him. but it's like howard said. people who have done this and whatever and howard has done it on a much higher level than me, you just sit there and it's like your mouth is wide open going oh, my god. >> you have to see it in person to really appreciate it. i've seen it in person in new hampshire. it is complete stream of consciousness. but as he continues and there's no periods, there's no exclamation points. it's stream of consciousness. you see people nodding heads as he raises one point after another. and the difference between when i saw him live and in person in new hampshire and last night, as howard indicated it was live which is phenomenal in itself carried live on a couple cable

channels, there's a marked improvement, a marked improvement in the skill with which he delivers and seemingly the sense of where he's going with what he's going with. he tunes in to the audience as he speaks. he takes the vibe from the audience. >> and how interesting, meek yashgs mika, there is a lot of disagreement with what happened at first with jorge ramos. but he shifted a gear. brings him back in. he sits there and actually the second time through, again, does a good job and much more patient than i would have been with a lecture. >> i think there's two now strains of sort of wars with different reporters that we're following. i don't know. i think if you go with an angle and you go in with an attack, it's not going to work because he will call it out like he calls everything else out. just ask him questions and let the answers speak for themselves. because that's the story. you go in and attack it's not

going to work. >> i disagree with that some, mika. unfortunately the two people he's at odds with are a woman and a hispanic. and that is not -- i don't think that's coincidental. i don't think it's a good thing for him or the republican party. >> and let me just say as a member of the republican party that saw mitt romney make a couple of statements, a good guy that i love and respect him, he said a couple things in iowa that hung around his neck the rest of the campaign season and he got, what, 24%, 26%. the republican party will never win, never win so long as they're in the 20s with a hispanic vote. let me say it again, they will never win. >> right. mark it down. >> okay. coming up next, what would a hillary clinton and joe biden battle for the democratic nomination in 2016 look like? why one columnist says the race could get ugly and fast. the must-read opinion pages are next on "morning joe."

>> i've been watching bush on the border. he's in a suit. yes, oh, yes. the anchor baby. i shouldn't say anchor baby. you know, he puts out a report saying do not use the term anchor baby. then i used it. my polls go through the roof and now he's using anchor baby and taking criticism. and you know the funniest thing is that he's taking tremendous criticism for using the term anchor baby and i use it all the time and nobody cares when i say it because they sort of expect it from me, i think.

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look at that. >> good to have you back on the show. we're going to read must read in a moment. on the democratic side, bernie sanders is once again leading hillary clinton in a poll out of new hampshire. a ppp poll of registered new hampshire democrats shows sanders in first place with 42%. clinton is seven points back and outside of the margin of error with 35%. it's the second straight poll to show that vermont senator leading in that state. it comes as "the new york times" reports that sanders' small donor support at this stage of the campaign may be even higher than president obama's was at this stage in 2008.

is that something? >> that is remarkable. >> that is something. $11.4 million or about 75% of all of his contributions have come from gifts of $200 or less. this cycle he raised more money in small donations than any other candidate, democrat or republican. a new university poll out of iowa shows hillary clinton at 54% and bernie sanders at 20%. i don't know. i think that guy is someone to watch. >> ray -- >> i do, too. ray, we're talking about howard dean in august of 2003 and, of course, a lot of people disgusted with mainstream democrats in 2003 and reaching out for howard. right now it looks like we have two party establishments in washington, d.c. that, are being overtaken by a base that does not want to fall in line behind bush and clinton. >> well, we're in an era of politics where parties matter

less to begin with. the era ushered in by citizens united and other challenges in the campaign finance formulas means anybody with notion and dough can run for president. if you catch lightning in a bottle and have a good run of a couple of weeks, you make news and it sort of feeds on itself. >> we have known bernie sanders for a very long time. and i mean even people that are from vermont can't believe that bernie has caught lightning in a bottle the way he has. >> look, we're still living in the shadow of the 2008 economic meltdown. and there are millions of people in this country who are making less money than they were making in 2007. they watched as the banks were bailed out. they watched as millions of americans lost their home. and if bernie sanlders speaks for anybody, it's probably for the voters who look at those outcomes and instead of writing it off as, well, you know, they

had to keep the house standing before they took care of little fish like me, they're just mad. and they think something is fundamentally wrong with the way this went down. >> there's an opening for elizabeth warren here. from the daily beast, hillary versus biden it would get ugly fast. bide sen not going to get anywhere with a campaign that says i have better ideas than hillary clinton does because he probably doesn't. she is perfectly fine with her ideas even if liberals don't want to admit that yet. no, he's going to have to run a campaign that says subrosa, i'm stronger and safer nominee because she's corrupt. biden would have to run around the idea that she's too risky. he or surrogates need to press the idea the party could nominate clinton and then next fall trey gowdy fines that holy grail e-mail that brings the whole thing crashing down. in other words, his candidacy is going to have to be built around what is in essence a republican party talking point.

>> howard dean, i don't think joe biden will run a negative campaign. but sometimes primary campaigns are much tougher than even general elections, right? >> they are. i actually thought thats wi was fantastic piece. it was really great analysis. i actually think joe might run. if joe is thinking about this with his head, won't do it because of all the reasons he said. but joe is a race horse, i'm a race horse, a lot of us, you know, you get in, there the competitive juices are flowing. he's run twice. he wants to be president of the united states. he's come very close. he's vice president. i don't know. i don't know what he's going to do. it's a very tough choice. i think it's absolutely fascinating. i don't see the path to victory for joe biden as good as a guy he s i don't know what he does. we'll see. we'll find out in september. >> all right. we'll see. stay with us, ray. coming up, a new report in the

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the inspector general for the pentagon is looking into claims military officials are sweetening reports about american progress against isis. this accord together "new york times." the paper reports the probe began after at least one civilian analyst claimed there was evidence intel assessments were being skewed. the analyst claimed that they were improperly being changed for policymakers including president obama. none of the agencies involved would confirm the report. joining us now, the dean of the school of advanced international studies at johns hopkins university. good to you have onboard again. >> dr. nasser, i didn't know we

were doing that well against isis. well enough to exaggerate it. it is a convoluted mess for our military that doesn't really know precisely what it's job is. >> well, first of all, we don't have actually milton the ground u.s. military fighting isis. most of the fighting on the ground is either being done by shia militias backed by iran or by kurdish fighters. and our contribution is mostly try to train iraqi military that actually completely collapsed last year in mosul. >> right. >> and we also don't want to get directly involved. so in the middle of this we're trying to minimize the rollup that iran is playing and try to put a lot more emphasis on the iraqi forces and create a situation which would not push us into doing the fighting our self. the picture looks a lot roseyer on the one side. on the other side, we down play the importance that isis is playing in the crisis in the region. >> let's talk about in the region. in turmoil. the president trying to strike a

deal, obviously with, iran that congress is going to let pass through. you look at the deal and say instead of dividing the middle east that sunnis, especially in saudi arabia should embrace this deal. why? >> well, first of all, because regionally it actually hampers iran more than what the critics are willing -- >> how is that? >> because they're giving up their nuclear potential for a decade or more. militarily they're weaker than saudi arabia or uae or israel or turkey. they spend a lot less on military. they're technologically way behind. and they're giving up one asset they have to throw their weight around which is nuclear power. and in the meantime, we promised arabs and israelis we're going to give them more weaponry and technology and we're going to basically get in the middle of this. any time iran misbehaves and slap them on the wrist, you

know, you read iranian media, iranian commentatorcommentatorst see this as an open door to asserting their role in the region and they're busy fighting isis at the same time. >> manufacture the critics of this plan, of this deal with iran say this puts off iran's nuclear plans for a decade or 15 years. do you share any of those concerns? >> first of all, i think it puts it back for at least 25 years. the monitoring of uranium and the processing of uranium, the life cycle of uranium goes far beyond the 15 years, 20 years. secondly, 15 to 20 years is a long time in the middle east. this issue you raised, isis, is a huge issue for the united states. and if we can at least, you know, tamp down the iranian crisis for 15 years, it allows us to actually deal with that collapse of the order. >> without the deal, how quickly would iran get to a nuclear weapon? >> iran can get to a nuclear -- at least much more serious capability within a year's time.

and can actually perhaps even build more infrastructure that would put them in a position to be productive. a lot of what iran is dismantling and they have to do the front end is not as easily put back once you take -- once you take a core out of a reactor is not easy to put it back in again. >> all right. dr. nasser, thank you so much for being with us this morning. still ahead, new revelation that's the use of private e-mail by diplomats extended beyond hillary clinton. as recently as march. state department spokesperson john kirby joins us to respond to a new inspector general report ahead on "morning joe." ♪

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top of the hour. welcome back to "morning joe." mike barnicle, howard dean and ray suarez are all with us and with us from "the blaze," amy holmes and in washington, political reporter for "the washington post," robert costa. >> by the way, i'm a little upset, willie, apparently there is this guy named larry mize. he is claiming that he won in '87. i'm going to have to call trump's lawyer. >> yes. >> you know what? he branded make america great. i branded i won the masters in '87. >> we've been saying it for ten years now. >> we've been saying it since 1988 hoping people had short memories. >> mize had that great chip in in '87. >> it was incredible. off the side of the green. i still, all these years later, i wonder how the ball stopped.

i wonder how you remembered that. >> what i heard his name, i said, of course that, is the year he had the chip. zblin decre . >> incredible. >> right, amy? >> i think you're making it up. >> no, it was amazing from the side of the green. >> amy, all right. donald trump went to iowa last night. >> he beat greg norman in the play-offs. you are remember that. >> i do. >> all right. go ahead. >> donald trump picked up support of rick perry's former -- >> wait a second. wait, hold on, if he can go stream of consciousness, so can we, right? >> i think you wrote the book on it. >> tiger woods! >> that's all you know. >> oh, my god. all right. listen, everybody, while introducing sam clovis, the story became about jorge ramos who went all the way to iowa to question trump. he did so at the start of the press conference before being called on.

>> question about immigration. >> okay. who's next? yeah, please? excuse me, sit down. you weren't called. sit down. sit down. sit down. >> i'm an immigrant, i have the right to ask a question. >>, no you don't. you haven't been called. >> i have a right to ask a question. >> go back to univision. >> this is the question. can you not deport 11 million people. can you not build a 1900 mile wall. you cannot deny citizenship to children in this country. >> sit down. >> and the idea -- >> you weren't called. >> i'm a reporter. don't touch me, sir. don't touch me. you cannot touch me. i have the right to ask a question. >> yes, in order. in turn, sir. >> i have a right to ask a question. >> go ahead. >> mr. trump, you're running for president and one of our country's top journalists, main anchor of univision was escorted out of your news conference. did you hand that will correctly? >> i don't know much about him.

i don't believe i've ever met him except he started screaming. i didn't escort him out. you'll have to talk to security, whoever security s but certainly he was not chosen. i chose you, i chose other people to answer. you're asking me questions. he just stands up and starts screaming. so, you know, maybe he's at fault also. but i don't consider that. i mean somebody walked him out. i don't know where he is. i don't care if he comes back, frankly. >> president obama answers questions from jorge ramos, is there a reason you won't? >> because he was out of order. i'll take his questions. he stood up and started screaming. >> you would let him back in now? >> i told you already, if he wants to come back in, i would have him. you can't stand up and start screaming. i was saying, yes? and this guy stands up and starts screaming. he's obviously a very emotional person. okay. so i have no problem with it. i don't know him. i have no idea. but i would certainly love to have questions from him.

>> so about -- >> first of all, he didn't ask a question. he made three statements. he said can you not deport 11 million people. can you not deport children who were born here. you cannot build a wall. i'm sorry, there's not a question there. so people want to stand up for the rights of journalists and if you want to grandstand, which he did on cnn a couple nights ago and then did he in this press conference, that's fine. i'm just saying, howard disagrees with me, i know that people are split here. there are a lot of politicians though that wouldn't let somebody come in and lecture them. >> howard, was he asking a question? >> it was a long winded question but it was a question. look, i am very sympathetic with aggressive -- with angst about aggressive journalists. i've had more than my share of problems with the press. >> right. >> but i think it's very tough. if i was trump, i think what i would have said, mr. ramos, you would sit down for a minute. i promise i'll call on you.

but i've got somebody else here first. >> right. >> and trump recovered. i have to say, he did recover. i think it was a bad moment. jorge ramos is probably the most prominent hispanic journalist in the united states. and i do agree that he is a showman and he's got his agenda. but i just think it was not well played in the beginning. i think trump recovered. i don't think the hispanic population is going to forget that. >> i think most in the press, most people in the press would agree with you. it's a bligs in me, i don't know what did you but if people stood up and started delivering speeches, if you want to ask a question, ask a question. if you want to deliver a speech, go next door and deliver a speech. >> i think most people would have said that. not like that. i swrowouldn't have done. that many time that i wanted to do. that but i didn't. >> yeah. okay, so you talked about the recovery. it's interesting. >> i don't think there was a recovery. i'm sorry. i'm going to say, i think howard is speaking for members of the press. and it's not about us. it will be interesting to see

how that plays and we have to cover the story and how that plays. >> actually, i know how it's going to play. it's going to play very well. >> i think so, too. >> ten minutes later, ramos was allowed back in and trump called on him twice. it was a fascinating exchange. this is what howard is talking about earlier. i was talking about trump seemed to shift gears. and take a look at this. fascinating. >> so here's the immigration plan. it's full of empty promises. >> okay. >> you cannot deport 11 million undocumented immigrants. you cannot deny citizenship to the children in this country. can you not build a 1900 mile wall. >> why do you say that? >> can you not do that. >> no. excuse me. a lot of people -- no. but a lot of people think that's not right. an act of congress can do it. now, it's possibly going to be tested in courts. but a lot of people think that if you come and you're on the other side of the border -- i'm not talking about mechl koechlt

somebody on the other side of the border, a woman getting ready to have a baby. she crosses the border for one day. has the baby. then for the next 80 years, hopefully longer, but for the next 80 years we have to take care of the people. i don't think there's -- no. i don't think so. excuse me. some of the greatest legal scholars and i know some of the television scholars agree with you, but some of great legal scholars agree that that's not true. that if you come across -- excuse me. just one second. >> so the question is, how are you going to build a 1900 mile wall? >> very easy. i'm a builder. that's easy. i build buildings that are 94 -- can i tell what you is more complicated? what's more complicated is building a building that is 95 stories tall. okay? >> but it's unnecessary. >> you think so? i don't think. so a lot of people don't think so. >> how are you going to deport 11 million undocumented immigrants? >> here's what we're going to do. >> are goug bring the army? >> let me tell you. we're going to do it in a very

humane fashion. believe me, i have a bigger heart than you. the one thing we're going to do -- >> is there one question you want to ask and can we move on? >> okay. the one thing we're going to start with immediately are the gangs. there are real bad ones. do you think everyone is perfect? no, i asked you a question. do you agree with that? we have tremendous crime and tremendous problems. i can't deal with. this listen. we have tremendous crime. we have tremendously -- we have some very bad ones. i think you would agree with that, right? >> yes. >> there are a lot of bad ones. real bad ones. go ahead. >> i want to ask you about tlat vote. >> i think. so. >> the truth, is i've seen the polls. the univision polls say 75% of latinos. >> how much am i suing univision for right now? no, do you know the number? tell me. you know you're part of the lawsuit. how much am i suing univision

for? >> the question, is mr. trump. >> can you go through the campaign speech, i'm talking about mr. ramramos' campaign speech. it was just a speech. here's a problem. he tells him what he cannot do. you cannot do. can you not do. and then he makes -- he finally asks a question and then he asks the worst question of a builder who builds 95-story buildings. how do you build a wall? donald trump says that's easy. and then he editorializes. that's a waste of time and money. i'm sorry. they're jumping across the world to stand behind and defend. i don't know. i'll just say it. i don't get kacie hunt coming on here and say they defend him

making a political speech. this is one of those things. this is obvious. what i said about diblasio. everybody will say off camera but nobody says on camera. this is obvious. a guy went in and he made a spectacle of himself while lecturing america how donald trump is making a spectacle of himself. they weren't there to hear him give a speech. and he didn't ask a question until the end. >> it was clear. as i said last hour, i never like seeing in america a journalist being handled and thrown out of a room. i thought that could be hand ld differently. you saw when he came back, donald trump was happy toenlt taken the questions and did so respectfully given the circumstances. let's understand where everyone is coming from here. donald trump is suing univision for $500 because they dropped ties with the miss universe pageant. jorge ramos has been trying to get an interview donald trump. donald trump posted a letter that ramos wrote to trump that

included ramos's cell phone number. he knows very well who he s they've been going back and forth. this is personal. and jorge ramos said on cnn, "i think donald trump is the loudest voice of intolerance, division and hatred right now in america. what he is saying about immigrants and women is disgraceful and dangerous." that's where they're coming from. >> objective view? >> jorge ramos is an anchor. he's a commentator and he's also a reporter. he's all of those things. >> that happened. >> but in that clip that we just showed, first of all, as we said earlier, reporters aren't hired to be polite. i mean that's not -- >> they're also not reported to give political speeches. >> but if you play that clip again, you will see that both sides, both jorge ramos and donald trump did very well, i thought. i mean they both got their points across. jorge -- it was a discussion more than it was an interrogation. that second round. >> we want to hear from ray on this. >> trump was really good on.

that. >> ray suarez? >> there were two guys in the room primed for a confrontation. they went ahead and had it. neither one was going to give in. and they both won. i think what people are losing in this is that since they speak to such different constituencies, they both walk away from that confrontation winners unless you think the 30% in the polls that donald trump currently is sporting is made up of newly decided latino republican voters from primary states. it's ridiculous. >> okay. ray? >> so tomorrow -- well, to day throughout the day, other broadcasts like this one on msnbc will be playing and replaying jorge ramos' confrontation. jorge will be interviewed by other media outlets. he's a winner. donald trump looks tough and strong and decisive and dismissive so the people who want to hear that is part of the conversation. >> i understand what you're saying. i just want to ask you, do you

think that jorge ramos went in there to just ask an innocent objective question? >> no. but he after trying to get an interview, he chose that as moment where he was going to publicly confront donald trump. >> i want to get -- >> i would have been thrown out for news conferences. i never get a question in if i behaved that way. >> he got in five. >> i follow you, ray, for many years. you don't give political speeches. you actually are a reporter. and you ask questions of people that the news story is b you don't make yourself part of the news story, do you? >> no. and i would have handled that in a different way. but jorge ramos and i are different people and we have different mos. >> jorge ramos kept repeating he's a report er. >> come on in, howard.

>> there is it an editorial or whatever. these things happen in press conferences and in public events. it's how they're handled. it's not whether ramos was right to do it or whether he didn't. this is a test for trump. and i think -- i think trump, as i said before, did not do so well in the beginning. he came back. he was patient with him. he was -- he scored some points. he has points for that. initially dent know what he was doing. he had the guy kicked out. he didn't get points for that except for his base. that's not what he's trying to expand. i think this is a test and he probably passed. >> the press conference was just the pregame last night.

there is another huge rally. he let loose on his opponents, washington. >> these other guys, they go around and make a speech in front of 21 people. they read the same speech. blah, blah, blah. they have teleprompters. i think they should outlaw teleprompters for anybody, for anybody running for president. you should -- you know how easy that would be? instead of this i'm working my ass off, okay? a great journalist called me. how does it feel? i said how does what feel? he said this was the summer of trump. do you believe that. if we win the nomination and we got to beat hillary or whoever is running. whoever is running.

otherwise, it doesn't matter. it doesn't mean anything. i don't know. it doesn't -- if you lose, like marco rubio. he wasn't supposed to run. he is running and people thought it was very disrespectful. to a person that brought him along. i said that was me. they brought someone along. and i'm older than marco. and all of a sudden, the guy -- the young guy that i brought along said i'm running against you. and it's not my turn but i don't care because i'm really anxious. i'm really driven. for myself i'm driven. and he said, i'm running against him. i don't care. i would really go after that guy. i'd say he's the most disloyal guy. he's a terrible person. he's horrible and i hate him. okay. i saw them on the stage

recently. and jeb said oh, marco is a dear friend of mine. he's a dear, dear friend. he is such a wonderful person. and marco is saying, oh, i love jeb. and i watch these two guys. and they're hugging and they're kissing and holding each other. very much like actually chris christie did with the president. we have kerry that goes on bicycle races. he's in a bicycle race. he's 73 years old. he falls and breaks his leg. this is our chief negotiator. they're looking at him like what a schmuck. howard dean and i are sitting here and waiting. they're up side down. how is he doing it? you can take people to the flight simulator. he can take all the pilots to the flight simulator and for any

other pilot, the plane crashes. howard, take any ten seconds of trump's speech. apply it to you or me or any other person that's played politics before and our career would be over. >> i'll tell you one thang isin is so brilliant, christie hugging and kissing obama. it is a throw away line and made the point. i'm just going -- i just -- i can't believe it. >> robert costa, you have new reporting. >> you saw this with the press conference in the rally. at the same time, trump is refusing to -- he hired five additional staffers. nevada, south carolina, new

hampshire. as we've been reporting, he continues to look ahead to a long nomination fight and he's trying to build out his operation. >> i have to bring howard back in. howard, talk about how important that is. this is critical. howard, donald said something in that speech where i said, okay, wait a second. he is starting to play the long game. you know about this. you can get people excited. they can come out in august. they can come out in september and october. but you've got to convert them to being actually caucusgoers. talk about that, your personal experience in iowa. >> that is absolutely critical. the obama campaign is the best campaign ever that did that. and if you can't do that, you can't win. so i've said for a while now that the real test of this, i mean clearly trump has got tremendous momentum here. but if he doesn't hire an organization that can win in 50 states, the other thing we haven't talked about is ballot access. that is really tough. when john kerry beat me, did he not have a full slate of electors in new york state and we had to give him some of our electors for the general election. that's how hard it is to get on the ballot.

and new york state is the toughest. but still, there's a lot of stuff that has to go on that is detail work that must be done behind the scenes while we're all laughing at this stuff going on. >> all right. it comes as a new poll shows trump winning big in the first in the south primary with 30%. say whatever because nothing seems to matter. doubling ben carson at 15%. lindsey graham, the state's senior senator is polling at 4%. aen in new hampshire, another poll shows trump firmly in the lead with 35%, 24 points ahead of john kasich. on the democratic side, a ppp poll of registered new hampshire democrats showed bernie sanders in first place with 42%. hillary clinton is seven points back that, is outside the margin of error with 35%. joining us from boston, political reporter for the "boston globe" who has been covering new hampshire since 2002. james, looking at these numbers, what do you make of them?

>> this is really simple. on the republican side, new hampshire republicans are clearly on a sugar high when it comes to donald trump and john kasich. the democratic side with bernie sanders, they need to be high actually. i'm not quite sure. i'm just joking about that. but, look, john kasich, i mean, he is one of the big stories in this poll coming all the way into second place starting from absolutely nothing. and a lot of what is driving that is $4 million in television ads which have been basically unanswered. and for context last year new hampshire had a major u.s. senate race with scott brown and gene shaheen. and he spent somewhere around $7 million for the entire race. the incumbent governor of new hampshire is a democrat when she ran for re-election. she spent $2 to $3 million. john kasich's super pac putting in $4 million is going to drive a bit of an artificial high in these numbers. but i got to say looking back,

there isn't anything differently i would do if i were john kasich. on the back end he is building up that campaign organization. >> right. he certainly is. of course, we had carly fiorina on earlier. >> yeah. >> she's slowly moving up. >> slowly moving up. bob costa on the campaign trail, are you picking up from kasich and fiorina? >> in different ways. you see for kasich he's really creating a difficult situation for bush in new hampshire. bush is getting attacked on the right from trump. and then from the center left, the more moderate conservative side, that's kasich. and so bush's coalition in new hampshire is disappearing. it's difficult situation. carly, she's a player in iowa. trump is surging there. but if they're looking for an outsider, a business person, fiorina is well positioned should something happen with trump to be that candidate. >> and ray, david axelrod said this is nothing more than the swimsuit portion of the beauty contest. at some point they're actually

going to have to do talent. and we all say that giuliani was way ahead in 2007 and, you know, you go back. but what's interesting on the trump side is on the republican side is trump's lead seems to be widening. >> party professionals that i spoke to here in washington have been shaking their heads because this should have been the run of months when some of the down that list candidates would have been look forg a chance to pop. there is no oxygen in the room. how does scott walker breakthrough when trump's outflanking him on the right and the left at the same time? because trump's hard to categorize as a candidate. how does a chris christie breakthrough when everybody just wants to talk to him at his appearances about donald trump? so this is really changing the

dynamic. this is going to harm and probably end some candidate's chances entirely. >> all right. thank you. governor howard dean, ray suarez and bob costa, thank you as well. a joint strategy session for democrats and republicans, james carville and mary matalin are standing by. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. e. sir, can you hear me? two, three. just hold the bag. we need a portable x-ray, please! [ nurse ] i'm a nurse. i believe in the power of science and medicine. but i'm also human. and i believe in stacking the deck. [ female announcer ] to nurses everywhere, thank you, from johnson & johnson.

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well, this should be interesting. >> this is going to be fun. >> yeah. >> this is going to be fun. >> joining us now from new orleans, democratic strategist james carville who had nice things to say about the press recently. >> he d. >> and republican strategist mary matalin, great to you have both on the show this morning. >> let me ask you, mary, if james comes in and he spills, let's say he's making coffee and he spill the coffee grounds all over the place. you walk down stairs and you see your white carpet all stained and you start to get on to him, does james go look over there. look over there. there say plane over there. does he like distract at home, too? he's an expert at that. >> well, he can't hear and i

don't listen. that's how we figured it all out here. >> fantastic. >> we want to ask you guys about what is happening on the republican and democratic side with trump and bernie sanders. before we do that, i really want to talk about ten-year anniversary coming up that's a real tragedy. you two have been leaders in new orleans post katrina, a long with a lot of other people that decided they're going to plant the flag in the ground and fight for that city. tell us, first of all, your thoughts on what happened ten years ago and then where we are now with new orleans. >> i mean, i think there are three things, we have better levees. that's critical. once you go underwater, everybody looks bad. secondly, we have better schools. i don't think there is any doubt about. that people can argue on how much better. and third, we have better political leadership. and that's drawn in a lot of outside investment, rockefeller

foundation, cities program. we've got a lot of fema help. so on the whole, some things are not as good as we want them. other things are better than anybody expected. but i would say that we're in a better place than anybody could ever hope for five years ago. >> mary, when you look at the footage that we're starting to see now, what we're going to see a lot more as we get closer to the end of the week, i guess the great tragedy is and both of you would agree with this, this was a man made disaster. what happened in mississippi, that wasn't man made. wiped out the mississippi gulf coast. but new orleans was a man made disaster. >> yes, it is. but it's also a man made miracle. new orleans is an anti-dote for what ails washington, d.c. and james is glass half full on. this i think the political leadership resulted in conjunction with citizen leadership as resulted in the best urban school reform in the

country. number one start-up. we have a medical quarter, all of this was done in a very short period of time when the whole rest of the world, including washington, d.c., did not have any confidence it could get done. so it can get done. and it is all of us together. he's been an astounding leader and shows what leadership can do. but it shows what citizens working together can do in short order. >> i just want to thank you very much for making the critical point. what happened on august 29, 2005 in new orleans was an engineering failure. what happened in st. louis where i'm going this afternoon and mississippi and gulfport, that was an act of god. but you made the exact right point. i really congratulate you on that. >> and also it's great to see mitch doing what mitch can do down in new orleans after the poor leadership a decade ago. >> james and mary point out the

key elements in new orleans but every other city. political leadership. one last aspect i'd like to talk to the both of you about or ask the both of you about is the police department in new orleans which traditionally had a very bumpy relationship with the population. is the police department -- i know there are some improvements. what improvements do you sense? >> we got -- we have a new chief. and i think he's got to get a lot of respect of the police department. they've been under consent decree with the justice department for some time. by and large, i think pd improved. they have a tough job. crime one is of the things that we have to deal with here in a lot of other places. but i think the general sense is that the department is improving which is some progress. >> also, can i say that we -- again, leading the nation in identifying how to get ahead of crime. we're working with a group to

identify and isolate criminals in crime areas. it's critical. and we really have, despite what gets in the news all the time, we really have reduced our problem significantly. this is a very safe city to come not to mention a very fun city to come. >> that is what i hear. now mika is going to talk about hillary in a second. but before we get there, i want to ask both of you all and it's great to have you all here. the party establishment is taking a beating on both side. we're seeing a bernie surge on the democratic side. we're seeing a trump surge on the republican side. i compare to the old sound of music song where the nuns go around singing how do you solve a problem like maria? what's happening out there? >> what's happening is there's a lot of volatility in this race. a lot of things that are happening that people couldn't predict and i suspect there are a lot of things that are going to happen that people can't predict. and i think we just got to get ready for the ride here.

we're going -- we have interesting race here. i think that just kind of fascinating so far. we'll see where it goes. >> james, let me ask you. howard dean was on sort of laughing going, damn, if i said half the things that trump said, i would have been kicked out of the race a long time ago. what is it about donald trump even if you disagree with everything he says, what is it about donald trump when you watch him speak that first of all people are connecting to and, secondly, makes him fly above all the rules of the game? >> remember, you know, republican party is maybe 40% of the country. let's just say a third of the republican party is enamored with trump. but that can put substantial damage into political system of country. you're seeing that in a lot of other guys on the republican side are sort of being blanked out, if you will. he is dominating this conversation. it wasn't like anything i've ever seen, i guarantee you. it is something to see. everybody keeps saying oh, it's

going to go away. it's going to go away. you know, it doesn't -- as of now, it seems to be sticking around a bit longer than anybody thought. >> it's not going to go away because it's a reflection of not just the volatility in the cycle, but the anger and anxiety in the electorate which is on -- has been present for the last decade or more. and the reason that trump is transcending the normal rules is because particularly republicans but i think many americans, majority of americans if polls are to be believed, are so fed up that their anxiety and fear has turned to ang we are the system. it's not working in washington. it is working here. so when trump says what he says in the way that he says it, they're like that's right. we've been saying this for a decade. but this is not new volatility. this is anxiety that's been around for a while. there is special frustration. we have elected monumental --

have had monumental mid terms with little result in washington, or at least little stents, little visible result. it's making long time conservatives 5:angry. >> mary or james, anger and anxiety that's been going on for decades. i'll use your words, do you think that hillary clinton has any role in that? >> in what? >> well in, the anger and anxiety that people are feeling because of the constant scandal and after scandal. i know you call it a hill of beans. >> i say it's constant nonscandal. >> okay. >> it is trumped up, go from one thing to another. >> no pun intended. >> yeah. so i remember one thing and another and this will be in the rearview mirror anyway. people have pointed out at the end of the day there is nothing

here either. >> nothing to see here, people. nothing to see. >> that was the same thing. what about the white water and everything else? it's just -- everybody has got -- you know, we have to do something. we have to have splg to say about hillary clinton. if it just goes through this, i think the public, if anything, is going to get tired of this constant bringing up these -- what i call nonscandals of same thing that collin powell and jeb bush and the bush white house did. but we'll have to, you know, beat our gums about it for a little bit longer before it goes away like everything else. >> let me ask a question, people. i've been on your side of the mike, what happens if joe biden gets in? >> he gets in the race. i said it before, somebody runs for president wants to, he'll likely do it again. he's run twice. the presidency is a very high position. it's never easy. it's always tough. it will be tough in 2016. it will be tough on our side and tough on -- >> my point is this friends, the

problem has been the division in the republican party which is. there but let's look at the democratic party. which i think is again a reflection of the country saying, please somebody step up and do what you say you're going to do. >> i it this republicans are much more divided than we are. the difference between trump and john kasich is much broader than any differences we consider v. in the democratic party. >> i think if joe biden jumps in, that is a reflection of hillary clinton's inestability. >> it's an obvious reflection of the fact that he wants to be president. he's run twice before. >> well, yeah. why hasn't he announced until now? but my question, mary is for you. on the republican side, and the previous hour ray suarez is talking about how donald trump sucks up the oxygen. yet, you're seeing other candidates like car lly fiorina seeing the poll numbers rise. why isn't jeb bush catching the wave? >> jeb bush is absolutely fine.

the whole field is absolutely fine. first of all, the national polls count for squat because people aren't watching it yet. we don't actually start watching with any interest or national interest after labor day. whoever said bathing suit -- we're not even on the field yet. so we're not on the field yet. i have more confidence in the voters and particularly those who are paying close attention. they can walk and chew gum. they can be enamored with trump and his spufrnk. they want to hear policy and they're getting them. the benefit of bush's candidacy is he has a consistent record. a lot of the governors have good records to run on. but this is a stellar field and fuel spectrum view of conservatism. each candidate is making the others better. carly fiorina is a really

beautiful breakout to watch. i'm loving that candidacy. >> really impressive. james and mary, we're going to be thinking you about guys and everybody in new orleans. >> thank you, man. thank you for pointing out the difference between what happened here and other places. i really appreciate that. that's important distinction. thank you both. >> america, come visit. >> yeah, we'll come visit. >> i want to go to school and go to his class. >> i'm glad you're going to the mississippi gulf coast. some towns were completely wiped out and overshadowed ten years ago. >> for sure. >> i appreciate you remembering them now. >> you bet, thank you. >> james carville and mary matalin, thank you very much. coming up, it wasn't just hillary clinton using private e-mail. there is another political name being singled out. we'll talk about that next with state department spokesman john kirby. keep it right here on "morning joe."

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joining us now, john kirby. good to have you back on the show. >> thanks. >> two topics, hillary clinton and iran. i'll start. just first of all, did anyone approve of hillary clinton using a private e-mail account or a server, just yes or no?

>> well, look, these kinds of things are under review and investigation right now. so i'm really not at lib torert go into too much detail. >> is that question under review and investigation, whether or not it was approved? >> all of the parameters surrounding the use of that server and the e-mail traffic that existed, all that is being reviewed both by our inspector general as well as members of congress. so i don't want to get ahead of. that we'll let the facts take us where they take us and then we'll deal with that. >> all right. so then is it safe to say, can i ask if the state department is also reviewing how the server was set up, maintained, taken off line and stored before these revelations came out? are they looking into all of that? is that important to investigate? >> well, look, i -- >> i'll let investigators speak for what they're doing. and the inspector general, as you know, is an independent

organization. i don't know every parameter of ifrg they're going to look at. but we want them to be able to do their job and do it efficientlily and effectively. when they're done, then we'll deal with it. >> pertaining to hillary clinton's e-mail server, is that what we're talking about? we're talking about them doing their job? >> we're talking about their review of the situation as it was back then and how it was constructed. again, i don't want to get into more detail than that right now. the investigators are doing their work. >> are they going to respond to her concerns that these e-mails, the ones that are available, could be released faster to clear the air? >> look, i think we all like to get them out faster. but there is a process we have to observe. we're using the freedom of information act. there's a law that says you have to -- before you make public this kind of internal communication, you have to review it. you have to scrub it. you have to make sure that it's okay for public release. we have intelligence community reviewers sitting down with our reviewers in real time as they go through this traffic.

and just to remind, it's a lot of traffic. we released more than 3,000 e-mails. fw there's about 30,000 to come. there is another traunch on monday. we'll release more. it will take time. i think everybody would like to see it happen as fast as possible. but we also want to be as right as we can and as safe as we can. >> i guess some might be concerned that state department is holding back. that there maybe is something to hide or that, you know, other people. are they working as fast as they can to release the information? >> absolutely. no, absolutely. we are. there's -- but we can only go as fast as the law will permit and we got a court order of mandate to release certain percentages each month. we're going to catch up to that this month and make the quotas. but we got to be careful here. i think everybody would like it to be out fast. we understand that. but we also have to be right about it. we have to make sure that we're protecting sensitive information. >> all right. >> and that's the process. >> there are certain things you can't tell me, but why is the

state department looking at this? >> we were told to take a look at how we're handing e-mail traffic at large and process that's had been in place. so they're doing. that i won't speak for everything they're looking at. we also know that there are investigations going on by members of congress. we have to respect that process. >> a admiral, let's go to an easy noncontroversial topicen that is the nuclear dweel eeal with ira. >> sure. >> easy. so obviously you and i'm sure the secretary have seen poll numbers showing that certainly in swing states a couple days ago the majority of americans, overwhelming majority of americans oppose this deal. what is the state department doing to get the message out as to why the secretary thinks this is a good deal? and why doesn't it seem to be penetrating? >> we're working very hard to continue to educate critics and

skeptics of the deal for those on the hill and those in the public. i talk about it almost every day at the podium at the state department. secretary kerry is working on a speech that he intends to give in the next week or so to try to lay this out or so to lay this out for the american people in clear, concise ways to help understand why this is in their national security interest. we know there's critics out there and people that have questions and the secretary han has been working the phones all last month with members of congress and we'll continue to do that. we know there is skepticism and questions. there are good answers for this. it is in our national interest and we're going to continue to hammer that home. >> thank you very much. >> thank you, admiral. hopefully you can come back soon and we can talk about football or something nice. >> i would like that much -- a lot, joe. >> we would love it too. >> up next, donald trump speaks out moments ago on his heated

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of line. most people -- in fact most newspaper reports said i handled it well. he was absolutely out of line. >> term bully donald when it comes to your dealings with the press? >> i'm not a bully. it's just the opposite way. i'm not a bully. you saw that last night. this man gets up and starts ranting and raving and screaming and disrespectful to other report reporters. the room was packed with thousands of people and he gets up and starts ranting and raving. >> he's going to go like five more points -- >> i've been around a long time. i've never seen anything like this. he is playing the media perfectly. >> and the media is falling really hard for this all. like, they -- >> they are getting in their own way. >> and we've said this before with a mccain thing --

>> not being honest. >> with the fox thing, the media -- >> they overreached at fox in the debate. >> they always play into trump's hand. >> they thought they could bring him down. >> so full of bombast, the media overreacts and says the campaign is going to be over tomorrow and say that three or four times and it's a boy that cried wolf. >> it's a win-win. look how much attention jorge ramos is getting -- >> for pretending he was bullied and thrown out of a room. >> jorge ramos -- >> making himself the story. >> i was reminded of larry king listening to a call in, saying, caller, caller, do you have a question? clearly he wanted to bait donald trump and succeeded. >> you look at the transcript, no reporter that i know would go to a press conference -- >> to president obama. >> and deliver a speech. >> you can't do this. >> he had a hilarious tweet, reporters ask questions.

if he had actually asked a question up front, we wouldn't be talking about it. and of course he wouldn't want that. he wants to make it about him. >> kasie hunt had it right, it had to be awkward and uncomfortable in that room. >> i'm not sure trump was the one making it uncomfortable. the question he got to was not a very good one, to be honest. >> he said, how are you going to be able to build a wall? he said yes, you can. >> this is just the truth. >> write an editorial. >> we'll have much more of the heated exchange and bring in kasie hunt live at the press conference and trump's unfillered speech that howard dean was blown away by. you heard it right, howard dean has never seen anything like it before in his life. we heard that from james carville and mary madeleine as well. carly fiorina is in second

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to what it needs to become. these other guys go around and make a speech in front of 21 people. nobody cares. they read the same speech. they have teleprompters. i say we should outlaw teleprompters for anybody, right? [ applause ] for anybody, for anybody. running for president. you know how easy that would be instead of this, i'm working my

ass off, okay? >> oh, my god. you guys go on with your day because you're going to run those clips. >> let's do it. >> my god. >> you called me last night -- >> my parents called me. >> it was an incredible show. >> there was i think a lot of people had different opinions about it so we have to be careful but it started with a news conference that ended probably unexpectedly for one reporter. then this speech, mike barnicle is here and howard dean is with us in washington. along with willie and joe and me. we have some polls -- >> let's see how the race is standing. >> start with the big picture then we'll go into these fireworks. >> okay. >> south carolina republicans are threatening to quote, leverage donald trump, was hoping to keep until he secures the nomination, making all candidates who file to run in primary sign a pledge not to run

as a third party candidate. the signature is due by september 30th and trump says he's still deciding this as a new poll shows trump winning big, 30%. doubling ben carson at 15%. lindsey graham is polling at 4%. in new hampshire, another poll shows trump firmly in the lead with 35%. 24 points ahead of -- look who's in second. >> let's look at this for a second. hold that up there in the south carolina poll and willie, it's not even close anymore. >> it's not. >> you look at south carolina, we've gone from donald trump's limit is 20 and it's 22 and 23 -- now he's up at 30 and 35%. now they are going to tell us that that's a ceiling as well. everything he says, everything experts have said about donald trump have been dead wrong. >> congratulations again on

winning the masters. >> he's actually injured. >> let me say it again. i regret it was overshadowed because -- >> '87. >> right. >> but my apologies who actually won in '87. as for trump, you don't have to like the guy to sit and objectively say that there's a phenomenon happening right now. you don't have to thinkize going to be the nominee or president of the united states, but you have to take seriously what he's doing. up by 15 points in south carolina, he's up by 24 points in new hampshire. these are states that matter out of the gate. so you can say he's a joke and hang on to that if you want to but clearly voters don't agree. >> they don't agree with you and yeah, you can't -- one thing you cannot say that people remarkably are still saying is, well, of course there's no way he'll win the nomination. you cannot say that because people who said that were the same people that said he's not going to run. they've been proven wrong time

and time and time again. people storming off the set because we dare to say he might even be relevant in the process. >> i think also what happened yesterday is yet to be determined. when i saw it there are going to be aghast reporters, including those at univision but i'm not sure it's going to go exactly as they expect. donald trump went to iowa last night, where he picked up the support of rick perry's former state chairman, the bigger story was trump's clash with univision and fusion anchor, jorge ramos who went all the way to iowa to question trump and he did so at the start of the press conference when someone asked a question. >> about immigration, your immigration plan -- >> who's next? please. >> sit down. you weren't called. sit down. sit down. >> i have the right to ask a question. >> no, you don't. you haven't been called. >> i have a right to ask the question. >> go back to univision.

go ahead. >> you cannot deport 11 million. >> go ahead. >> 11 million people and build a 1900 mile wall. he cannot deny citizenship to children in this country. >> sit down, please. >> you were not called. >> i'm a reporter -- >> don't touch me, sir. don't touch me, sir. i have a right to ask a question. >> in order. >> i have a right to ask a question. >> mr. trump, you're running for president and one of our country's top journalists, the main anchor of univision was just escorted out of your news conference. do you think you handled that situation correctly? >> i don't know. i don't know really much about him. i don't believe i've ever met him except he started screaming and i didn't escort him out. you'll have to talk to security, whoever security is escorted him out. certainly he was not chosen -- i chose you and other people, you're asking me questions. he just stands up and starts screaming so, you know, maybe

he's at fault also but i don't consider that. somebody walked him out. i don't know even know where he is, i don't mind if he comes back frankly. >> president obama has taken tough quiz from jorge ramos, that a reason you won't? >> he was out of order. i would take his question in two seconds but he stood up and started screaming. >> would you let him back in now. >> i told you already, if he wanted to come back in, i would love to have him -- i was saying to somebody else, is that correct, i was saying, yes and this guy stands up and starts screaming. he's obviously a very emotional problem. i have no problem with it. i don't know him. i have no idea. but i would certainly love to have questions from him. >> yeah, i'm sorry, actually what was happening was the other guy was answering a question when this guy started going -- i'm sorry at home and this might shock and stun and deeply sadden a lot of people. people are sick and tired of reporters standing up and

yelling questions, in this case, where he was clearly yelling questions out of turn. and so i don't know. >> it's a tough one. i think it's -- i think the story is going to speak for itself and reaction to it will speak for itself. i know how it's going to go and i'm not going to bother to say it. >> if barack obama were standing there and somebody else was asking a question and somebody decided to stand up and make a political statement -- >> there was an intensity. >> the guy flew all the way out to ask a question. i saw him on cnn last night. this is a very big moment for him. this is his 15 minutes of fames y . we've been critical of what he said on the air here but if i'm holding a press conference and you're holding a press conference and saw a guy, you know, trying to get his 15 minutes of fame the night before and pretending he was walter cronkite on the convention floor

or dan rather on the convention floor, when this was all staged by you -- >> i'm putting the filter back on. >> i'm sorry. it's just the truth. the guy was making -- you've got a question to ask, ask a question. if you want to make a political statement, you can hold your own press conference. >> a couple of things, reporters are not hired necessarily to be polite. >> that's true, sure. >> i'm totally with that. >> we're not polite. >> the other aspect is and he'll get very little credit for it, trump handled it very well. >> let him back in, took questions, when he calmed down. >> ten minutes later ramos was allowed back in and trump called on him twice. here's part of their exchange. >> so here's the problem with your immigration plan, it's full of empty promises. you cannot desupport 11 million undocumented immigrants and cannot deny scitizenship to the

children in this country. >> why do you say that? >> you cannot do that. >> a lot of people think -- excuse me a lot of people -- a lot of people think that's not right that an act of congress can do it. it's possibly going to have to be tested in courts but a lot of people think if you come and you're on the other side -- i'm not talking about mexico. somebody on the other side of the border, a woman is getting ready to have a baby and has the baby and for the next 8 0e years, hopefully longer, but for the next 80 years we have to take care of the people. i don't think this -- i don't think so. some of the greatest legal scholars and i know some of the television scholars agree with you, but some of the great legal scholars agree that that's not true. that if you come across -- excuse me, one second. >> so the question is, how are you going to build a 1900 mile wall? >> very easy, i'm a builder. that's easy. i build buildings that are -- can i tell you what's more complicated. what's more complicated is

building a building that's 95 stories tall. >> but it's unnecessary. >> you think so, really? i don't think so. a lot of people don't think so. >> how are you going to deport 11 million undocumented? >> here's what we're going to do ready. >> are you going to bring the army? >> we'll do it in a humane fashion. i have a bigger heart than you do. we'll do it in a very humane fashion. the one thing we're going to do -- >> human rights violation -- is there one question you want to ask because we have to move on. >> the one thing we'll start with immediately are the gangs and the real bad ones. you do agree there are bad ones. do you agree with that or do you think everyone is perfect? i asked you a question. do you agree with that? we have tremendous crime, tremendous problems -- i can't deal with this. listen, we have tremendous crime. we have tremendously -- we have very bad ones and i think you would agree with that, right. >> just a little. >> a lot of real bad ones. >> go ahead. >> i want to ask you about the

latino vote. you say that you're going to win the latino vote. >> i think so because i'm going to bring jobs back. >> the truth is i've seen the polls and 75% of latinos -- >> how much am i suing univision for right now? do you know the number? tell me. do you know the number? you're part of the lawsuit. how much am i suing univision for? 500 million and they very concerned about it i have to tell you. i'm very good at this stuff. >> okay, as i said from the beginning, he gave a lecture, he wasn't asking a question. i don't know what politician would have been actually -- i wouldn't have been that patient with him. i would have said you got a question? >> just like fox, the debate. >> he has the absolute right to stand and ask a question, which trump gave him that right and extend d basis. but at some point you have to realize that he's involved -- mr. ramos is involved in a

debate with mr. trump. not a question and answer period. >> he doesn't ask a question from the very beginning, he's lecturing him. you can't do this and can't do that. i'm sorry, i think he was a lot more patient than barack obama would have been if somebody -- barack obama rightly would not allowed somebody to stand up and lecture him that long. ask a question. >> i would hesitate to compare trump to the president of the united states yet but remember that exchange with major garrett when he asked something that was perceived as impolite and the media went crazy. the back drop donald pointed out, he's suing univision for $500 million. i don't like seeing any journalist hauled out of a room like that physically. but there's a way press conferences work and donald trump clearly would have called on jorge ramos. >> and he was brought back in. >> and kasie hunt was in the room. it will be interesting to hear her point of view.

what was it like in the room, kasie? >> reporter: hey, willie. i think that it was extraordinarily uncomfortable and difficult situation. i think on the one hand you're absolutely right, i've been in hundreds of these types of press conferences, often you get to know the politician you're asking questions of, whether they like to call on people or whether it is in many ways a question simply of who yells the loudest, both go different ways. i think in this particular case, there were other options for trump than to have him ejected at the beginning but it's interesting that he ultimately brought him back in. that's in some ways a mea culpa for trump and rare one at that. you know as well as anyone that he really doesn't tend to back down off of anything. in this case he did let ramos back into the room. he also suggested that he didn't know who ramos was in some of the follow-up questions but his first response did mention, univision. so i think -- maybe a little bit

questionable as well. at the end of the day trump did bring ramos back into the room and he was able to as you saw have that exchange -- >> but, kasie, as a reporter, what do you think about another -- i'll put it in quotation marks right now, another reporter giving a speech while the rest of you just watch and turning a press conference into a grand spectacle? >> reporter: joe, i think all of us have to decide how we're going to conduct ourselves in those rooms, right? but i do think that at what happened at the top of that back and forth, the idea that somebody is going to be thrown out silenced and not allowed -- >> kasie, he wasn't asking a question. i'm asking you as a reporter, what do you think when a guy stands up and doesn't ask a question and he begins at the top delivering a lecture? >> reporter: well, look, joe, i

mean the reality is, jorge ramos has a perspective on this issue and that's different from a lot of other reporters in the room. you kf a legitimate debate how that fits into what the press conferences should be and how they should work. i will say that president obama has also taken pretty difficult questions and you may also lectures from jorge ramos over the years. he suggested in one interview that obama was the deporter in chief which obama took not very well and ended up in a testy exchange. >> let me just touch -- i want to -- i'm not taking sides here but want to add context though and take it back to kasie. they do know each other. i believe he is the anchor that donald trump instagrammed a number, tlsz tension between those two already and it's been contentio contentious, they absolutely know each other and who they are

in the context. it was already beginning with a little bit of stress. and the guy jumped in at the top and started delivering a little bit of a lecture or at least clearly had a position that he was intent on pushing. and he wasn't -- donald trump didn't say throw him out. this guy, keith walked over and backed him oust room and trump brought him back in and answered three questions. so just for clarity, he wasn't thrown out and he did answer questions. i thought it was brilliantly played by trump. >> except for the fact they weren't questions, they are one lecture after another lecture and him lecturing donald trump on the constitution. i'm sorry, i'm just going to say it. if i'm a reporter sitting in that room, i'm going to say, if you want to deliver a lecture, get a room and we'll go and we'll ask you questions. >> kasie is right, it had to be -- i've been in those rooms

and it had to be uncomfortable for the rest of the media. you don't want to stand up and tell mr. ramos, sit down -- >> calm down. >> you don't want to do that. but it is an uncomfortable situation. >> thank you so much. let's go to the phone, we have republican presidential candidate carly fiorina and a lot more of trump to play. >> she's doing well. >> carly, hey, the new hampshire poll that came out yesterday showed a big jump by you and john kasich especially, you're in third place in new hampshire according to a poll that usually gets it right. public policy polling. what do you think? >> i'm in the top five in most every other state poll, well within the top ten in the national polls. what i think is when people see me, they hear me and listen to me and tend to support me. so i'm going to keep talking to as many people as i can. >> right now there's a concern about these debates and i guess

the next debate is a cnn debate. and how they are polling things. don't you think -- and in college football they have a way that they actually do it by computers and sort of a combination of things. don't you think states like new hampshire and iowa should be weighted much more than these national polls that are beauty contests that actually don't really have bearing on who wins ultimately? >> well, i do. we don't have national primaries, we have statewide primaries and there are loads of state polls now. not just in iowa and new hampshire but in south carolina, nevada and georgia, a lot of other places, so there's loads of state polls and they all say the same thing. i'm in the top five. yes think the fox news rules were particularly good using national polls. i don't think the cnn rules are particularly good, especially since they goo back to mid-july.

i don't any impact over the rules and people are losing trust in the media frankly and upset with the rnc. what i'm going to do what i've been doing, which is take advantage of every opportunity i'm given and get out there and talk to as many voters as i can. eyeball to eyeball, face to face and hear what the concerns are and answer every single question they have. >> some of the other candidates, trying not to have said you have zero chance of making it yet slow and steady you're climbing in the polls. i know you came in here and had a clear strategy, i believe you confronted both of us and said you're underestimated me, you just watch. >> well, as i've said to you both and thanks so much for having me on of i started out as a secretary in a nine person -- i've been underestimated all my life but i also have a clear track record of challenging the status quo and producing results. that's how you go from secretary

to the chief executive of the largest technology company in the world. and i think i bring the resume that no one else can match. i understand how the economy works. i understand the world how it works and who's in it. i understand bureaucracy and how they work, which is important because we've got to cut the federal government bureaucracy down to size. not just talk about it, do it. and i understand technology. i do understand as well that leadership is about producing results not giving a nice speech and you cannot lead unless you're prepared to challenge the status quo. i think i bring something very unique to the table and i think voters agree with me, the more they see, the more they like. >> mike barnicle here. do you believe in birth right citizenship? >> i think it is in our constitution. i do not support amending the constitution and frankly in this regard honhonestly, i think don trump is acting like the politicians he excorpsiates.

let's amend the constitution and end birth right citizenship. it is not going to happen. whether people are for it or not. the reason i say it's a distraction, what i will do is expend all of my political capital and energy on doing the one thing we haven't done for 25 years. let's secure the border and fix the legal immigration system which is such a huge part of the reason we have so many illegal immigrants. talk, talk, talk. it's all anybody has been doing for 25 years. we need to buckle down and get this stuff done. it's not rocket science. >> carly fiorina. >> great to have you on. >> doing something krads cal, coming out in support of the 14th amendment, which a lot of republicans are not doing. thank you, carly, we greatly appreciate it. >> still ahead, much more on donald trump, including how he truly did not hold anything back, not that he ever would but

boy -- the dow jones has been falling more than a week. what is in store for today's opening bell? >> a big day yesterday until the final hour and it collapses again. >> because they always say we don't really know. you don't know. and yesterday -- >> we'll look anyway. >> it looked like a rally for 80% of the day.

♪ okay, so that press conference in iowa was just the pregame. we have a lot more to talk about with that but we've got to show you trump when he went on to speak in front of another huge rally where he let loose on his opponents, washington and the summer of trump. >> a great journalist called me

and said, could i ask you one question, mr. trump? what? how does it feel? how does what feel? this was the summer of trump. do you believe this, how good is that for my ego? it's one thing to have the summer of trump but does it mean unless we win, both denomination and we've got to beat hillary or whoever is running. otherwise it doesn't mean anything. i don't know, if you lose, like, what does it all matter? i have heard that jeb bush was the mentor to marco rubio, two nice people. marco rubio wasn't supposed to run and he announced he's running and people thought it was disrespectful to a person who brought him along. i said if that were me, i were bush and i brought somebody along and i'm older than marco and all of a sudden the guy, the young guy that i brought along

says i'm running against you and it's not my turn but i don't care because i'm really anxious. i'm really driven for myself i'm driven. and he said, i'm running against him. no care. i would really go after that guy. i'd say he's the most unloyal guy and i hate him. i saw them on a stage recently and jeb saying, marco is a dear friend of mine, a dear, dear friend. such a wonderful person and marco saying, oh, i love jeb. i watch the two guys and hugging and kissing and holding each other. very much like actually chris christie did with the president, very much -- every country in the world thinks that the united states is represented by stupid people and they are right, of course. they are wrong, very stupid people.

we have kerry that goes on bicycle races and he's 73 years old, in a bicycle race and falls and breaks his leg, they are looking at him like what a schmuck. i promise this won't happen to me. something happens in washington, they get elected and they really do a job, all enthused we're going to end obama care and something about washington, they look at these beautiful buildings and halls and all of a sudden, they become impotent. is that an appropriate word? i think so. they become just -- it doesn't work. put those two together. >> i'd rather not. howard dean, i want to go to you. it's free form, man, free form political jazz and you're trying to follow it. somehow when he started to talk about the phoniness between marco rubio and jeb bush, wait a

second, that's what ties all of this together. >> it's 100% correct. >> when he says i would hate the guy, but then i hear this phoniness between -- wait a second, that's why people like him because he's calling out political phony. it's crazy, it's flying a plane upsidedown and hard for people who have been -- can you please explain -- what's happening on both sides right now? >> i wish i could explain. i happened to see that live last night and i was just stunned. if i had said half of that stuff he said, i would have been gone the next day. >> howard, a lot of what he said is true, it's not -- i mean -- >> about the phone inesphonines? >> it's a little exaggerated? >> i don't think so actually. >> explain that. >> i don't think bush and rubio were hugging and kissing each

other. >> got it. >> but go ahead. explain, because again you've been there and you've seen on a much different sort of platform and stage though, people hungry for truth tellers who cut through, i'm not comparing you to donald trump, but you saw it also in august of 2003, people so disgusted with the political establishment they wanted somebody then, you, that would cut through the crowd. >> and the one similarity is that donald trump is running against his own party as was i. because he feels his party lost its way. there are a fair number of people in the republican party this year as there were in the democratic party my year, that believe that's true, that believe their party has let them down and hasn't done what they promised they were going to do. i have to say that with the exception of the jorge ramos thing which i'm not quite as forgiving as you all are. i thought that was trump -- i've never seen anything more masterful doing what he's doing. >> coming up, can wall street

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we can debate at length whether he should have waited his turn to ask the question but you did tell him to sit down repeatedly and threw in a go back to univision for good measure. do feuds like this, donald, work for you? do you think this helps you with your supporters? >> well, i don't know, obviously i have very big support because i'm leading in every poll by double digits and there's a movement going on, a whole silent majority thing happening. and it's very impressive to see. i will tell you he was totally out of line last night. i was asking and being asked a question from another reporter. i would have gotten to him very quickly and he stood up and started ranting and raving like a mad man and frankly he was out of line. most people, in fact, most newspaper reports says i handled it very well. he was totally, absolutely out of line. >> donald trump responding earlier this morning on the "today" show about his back and forth with jorge ramos.

joining us now, senior writer john mccormack. >> right now jeb bush -- not that a lot of republicans will be concerned but jeb bush getting pounded in the top editorial in the "new york times." he went to a border town to raise money and talk about immigration in english and fluent spanish and talks about how he was responding to donald trump handled it short version, he was awful. in less than 15 minutes before bush managed to step on his message and give mr. trump a boost and to offend asian-americans. it's breathtaking how much trump is not only getting reporters to play into his hand but it seems even top republican candidates. >> yeah, it seems the jeb folks seem to think the fight with trump helps him, he's the adult

in the room and the contrast is great. i'm not so sure, i think it hurts trump. if the party in such a anti-establishment mood, the idea they will settle for someone like bush strikes me as i am plauzable, it's not like 2012 where romney was the only candidate to win. you still have other people like rubio or walker or kasich or christie who people can go to if you're looking for someone more of a fighter than jeb bush. >> you look at the new hampshire polls and south carolina polls, way down, having trouble with the base. when he talks about -- there he is at 9% in south carolina and third place behind ben carson and donald trump and in new hampshire, even lower, down at 7% in fourth place. so he's having trouble with the base but also when he blames asians for the anchor baby

crisis, it seems that he's stepping into it even deeper. >> well, i think people would objectively agree that there is a problem of people coming over from china to have children here and get citizenship and whether or not that it helps him politically to add another group into the mix, i agree, it's probably not the best thing for him to do, to offend a whole group of people like that. >> jeb talked about it last night in a town hall meeting defending himself. let's listen. >> my record is pretty clear. i'm married to a mexican-american united states citizen, i'm immersed in the culture and bilingual and bicultural, i'm proud of the diversity of my own family. my record not just yesterday but over my lifetime is one that people can look at. i was talking about a very narrow casted system of fraud where people are bringing

pregnant women in to have babies to get birth right citizenship. i support birth right citizenship by the way. i support it. i think that is a noble thing we should do. but we've got to control -- we've got to control the immigration system in this country. >> yeah, exactly. we both just went -- go ahead. >> despite the fact that jeb has repeatedly -- not repeatedly but quite often stepped in his own message within the context of his remarks. he, unlike the rest of the field has managed to hang in there with this trump tsunami. john, i'd like to ask you, which of the candidates, let's take three of them, walker, rubio and cruz, which of the candidates do you think in that field has been hurt the most by the trump implosion explosion this summer? >> probably walker. if you look at the polls in iowa, it was after the first debatd where he took a big dive.

walker was holding steady. a low lead like trump, low teens in iowa. after the first debate, he lost something like ten points. cruz and rubio ticked up and trump ticked up in iowa. i do think a walker has been hurt the most so far. >> i think so. it's a terrible august and terrible summer for scott walker. and that's your conclusion off camera before. i want to say about jeb, jeb is exactly right. he has a lifetime of caring about these issues, a lifetime. he's lived it. and yet he is having -- he's having trouble conveying that on the campaign trail and to getting any sort of excitement behind him. >> i'm not saying that these candidates shouldn't prepare for these events, but you know that his ad libbing on all of that stuff that comes naturally for

him is leading up to that line, i support birth right citizenship. which he and his team made sure that he planned to say. and that's what it feels like. that's what it feels like. all of these candidates feel they've spent the entire day planning everything. >> i will say this though, jeb is in a different league from everybody on the republican side when it comes to issues. marco rubio, marco rubio is no jeb bush, not even close to jeb bush on the issues. you can say the same thing about scott walker, not even close. you can see it. ted cruz, a little bit closer, but jeb has run one of the biggest most diverse and difficult states to run for eight years. but how does it translate on the campaign trail? >> i don't know how it's going to translate on the campaign trail but he is the only kand date who has been standing next to the roar of a jet engine managed to get his thoughts and words out. he's a wonk, he's very wonky when it comes to policy, but he's still in it. >> we've got to add one other

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america, ar senio hall. >> that is a classic. >> i'm not sure why we showed that except there's a disgusting burger story. >> let's get sarah eisen, i would ask how futures are looking this morning but i asked you yesterday and you reported correctly and i like stopped looking at the market at 3:30 and think it's a good day. we got half of it back then boom, fell off a cliff. >> it all fell apart. >> what in the world happened the last hour? >> right now yes, futures are up and they are suggesting a really strong open up almost 500 points. here we were at this time yesterday reporting the exact same thing. in the last hour of close, it all came apart. we lost all of the gains and then some and the dow actually closed lower by 200 points. it gives you a sense of the kind of psychological fear that has gripped the markets. we're living in crazy times with the wild swings.

here's a statistic for you, $2 trillion of wealth has been wiped out of the u.s. stock market in the last week and a half. i mean, we're talking about losses we have not seen since the financial crisis. the fears are emanating from china, which did close lower again overnight. could be a worry some signal but not as low as it has been. back to what we talked about yesterday, the u.s. continues to hum along. we got a durable goods report came in higher, 2%. >> so sarah, was it just pure psychology yesterday, people said, okay, i've gotten back as much as i'm going to get back for a long time, i'm going to sell or did news across the wires ats 3:30? or was it just psychological fear? people running for the exits? >> it was a psychological factor because there wasn't a big headline or fundamental reason that caused the turn diagnose around in stocks. it was lack of conviction in the rally. once you get this downturn and

get substantial losses, say, 10% off the highs, that can turn into the heard behavior where more and more people sell and more nervous to go into the asian session which has been a lot more anxiety ridden. have said -- >> that was like a 500-point swing in a very short amount of time. >> absolutely. the question is do they have the policy chops and too maniy tool it? >> when the crisis was in the united states, we had the banking rescue and congress and federal reserve on it. does china have those kind of tools? do emerging markets have those kind of tools? now for the story you have been waiting for. i don't know if you saw this -- >> yes. >> this is in "the new york times," there was an ad taken out by burger king and it was a plea from burger king to mcdonald's to collaborate on a

one-day pop up store run by both companies to serve the mcwhopper. >> oh, my god. that's amazing. >> it may be a dream come true. it's an honor of charity, international peace day and proceeds would go to of course a charity. no word from mcdonald's yet. i'm wondering which would supply the fries, not so clear. >> we've got to go to mcdonald's on that one. mike. >> i have the ad right here. i mean, it could not be just one day. if they did it for one day, it would be forever. let's hold that up for one second. i mean, don draper, obviously came up with that ad. that is a fantastic ad. thank you, burger king for trying to bring the world together. really quickly, we've got to go to break, but mcdonald's, turnaround here? how are they doing? >> well, the stock is doing actually quite well. they've got a new ceo in there and he's looking at changing up

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i do a lot of things by my surprise. people are shocked at how smart i am, right? >> what i learned today was that you have people like howard dean and james carville talking about trump saying they've never seen anything like this before. >> speechless is where we're at at this point. or at least should be. mike barnicle? >> i'm consumed with the greatest news this country has received since the three americans rescued everybody on the train. mcwhopper. >> mcwhopper. >> the age of the mcwhopper. >> this is what neville chamberlain promised when he promised peace in our time. it's way too early -- peace in our time with fries. two great tastes that go great together. what's coming up next, mike? >> the rundown, man. >> of course, "the rundown".

>> "the rundown" starts right now. >> good morning to you, i'm jose diaz-balart. in the crucial early contest state of iowa. trump had a news conference. here's what he said. >> i have a question about immigration. your immigration plan -- >> who's next? >> yeah, please. >> mr. trump, i have a question. >> you weren't called. sit down. sit down. go ahead. >> i have the right to ask a question. >> no, you don't, you haven't been called. >> i have the right to ask the question. >> go back to univision. >> go ahead. you cannot deport 11 million -- >> go ahead. >> you can not deport 11 million people and build a 1900 mile wall and deny citizenship to people in this