>> virginia tech fan or anything. >> we get here early in the morning and when we come in, they make the news room come alive. adam talking about coming down . going to be missed. >>. >> what a tragedy yesterday. we're going to be talking about that throughout the morning, talking about the background of that. also a lot of political news. just some moments that really, i think, are going. to change politics over the next year, year and a half. that is joe biden, what he said yesterday. i mean, talking for the first time about this i think this is going to happen. it changes everything. and we brought in the guy that had the most incredible interview asking those questions. his favorite book is the bible. what's your favorite bible verse, don't have one. old testament or new testament, i like them both.

>> good to see you. and eugene robinson. >> that was a fascinating interview. >> that's nice of you to say. >> we have interviewed him 47 times. you think we would have gotten it. >> we were over at trump tower and tried to engage him and he said a lot of interesting things about economics, about jeb bush and about his own views on a variety of things. i think we're going to take a look at that. and we also got into the headquarters for the first time and talked to some of the people there. and the range of his support is quite something. people from all 50 states, all economic groups, all political backgrounds, it's quite something. >> first, i have -- i mean, when i saw what unfolded yesterday, i

thought immediately of you. this is exactly what you did, and i know that you related to these people because it's what you did for ten years. >> that's the road i chose in every way. most everyone at this point knows the horrific details of how yesterday's murders unfolded. we're going to relive the tick tok of the execution on live television. a lot of people are doing that and it's gratuitous and gross. we want to remember allison and ad adam. adam ward was 27. the team at wdbj working together every morning for over a year. they were both virginia natives and former interns as well. . her boyfriend tweeted, we didn't

share this publically but we were very much in love. we just moved in together and i'm numb. adam had had just been engaged and was planning a wedding with another wdbj employee. she had just gotten a job and watched it unfold. his fiance's wedding dress had just arrived. here's part of how they were remembered yesterday. >> if i walked into the office in the morning, the first person i saw was either adam or alison. i never saw them down. adam just would do any job that was asked of him. >> 24 years old, what kind of reporter was she? >> she was going to be a great reporter.

maybe a natural news anchor, but there was so much in front of her because she was quick and smart and worked hard. and that's the kind of person she was. >> everything about this story was so reflective of anybody in this business because you know what the team feels like. especially if you're warning on the morning shift, you become a little bit like finishing each other's sentences, brother and sister, having each other's back in every way and news rooms are just tight places. as much as the griping goes on, there's sort of a lot of connecting on a way that you can't really explain to others because you cover stories together and experience things together. >> you told me especially not only locally in connecticut, it's still amazing whenever we do there they talk about what you did up in hartford for so

long, but you talk about the guys you worked with at cbs and the cameramen and the people in the truck. you live with these people. >> you work on christmas, you work on new year's eve, thanksgiving, we all ate the same bad food and that newsroom brings me back in time as well as i'm sure many of us. but i remember exactly what that felt like. i knew what she was trying to do in life. it was all good. >> there's also a vulnerability when you're on television. everybody knows you. they have an emotional connection to you. when you're out doing a live shot, you're vulnerable. you're not going out with security and people can see where you are and know what you're doing. >> in a small market, you feel like you know everyone and everyone knows you and you can

become very naive to what could happen. they could -- especially when you're focused like that, they could not see what was coming. >> it was a disgruntled former employee. >> you see a lot of that too in this business. usually they move on. there are a lot of different reasons that people don't get chosen that are not fair and some that are and in this case it looked -- it looked like he had a lot of problems. joining us now on the ground in virginia is halle jackson. also a writer for "the daily beast." how is the community responding following the shooting at this point? >> yeah, folks here seem to still be in shock, but there's so much support. you're see the memorial grow by the hour.

people dropping flowers, people dropping virginia tech memorabilia trying to do what they can to show they are there for this station and stand with wdbj. a scholarship fund has been set up for alison parker. and you're seeing, for example, people, reporters from a sister station in missouri come here for wbdj to report for them this morning. the station is back on the air. they did a remarkable job of reporting on their own tragedy yesterday and thr out there again this morning. their morning newscast has been tributes to alison and adam, updates on the investigation and e we heard from alison parker's boyfriend who is an anchor. here's what chris hurst had to say. >> she was so natural with strangers and with the public that adored her. it was effortless for her to succeed in the job that this entails with having to be out in the community. i didn't do nearly as well.

she told me, it's just part of the job. you have to get over it. part of that is going out and doing live reports from areas that might be unfamiliar to you in times of day when there aren't many people out there, but no one thinks this would actually occur and yet it has and she was in a safe place. >> the two of them fell in love at the station. . you talk about adam ward and his fiance who worked together at the station. anybody who worked in the local news business knows that that happens. you become very close, you become very bonded with people when you're in these situations on the road in that live truck. here at the crime scene, that live truck overnight was pulled away. you saw some employees come, pull the cable, shut the truck down and drive it off. yet another step in this process. >> thank you. katie, you have been reporting on the shooter. he did a lot on his personal media as the shooting was

carried out. we're not showing that. you can get that somewhere else and if you need to, that's fine, but that's not what we're doing. tell us about the gunman and we'll be showing still pictures and appropriate video. >>. of course, so as you know, this gunman has filed at least two different lawsuits alleging sexual harassment against news stations that he worked. but what we're hearing is he really had a history of taking offense to comments and a history of not playing well with others. people from tallahassee tell us that photographers would ask not to be put on assignment with him because he was so difficult to work with. that's backed up by his z personnel file. you have repeated complaints of him micromanaging, being difficult to work with, berating them in front of subjects and that seems to be his pattern.

>> katie, thank you very much. we'll be looking for your piece. >> the piece is pretty remarkab remarkable. we'll be having some more guests throughout the hour. and like you said, other people are gratuitous about it. it's absolutely sick and gross. >> it's not just sick and gross. it's a pathetic grab for ratings and it's really wrong and you need to think about how badly you need ratings. how badly you want to destroy your credibility and hurt people and perhaps even promote copy cats. i'm going to get off my high horse. that's not a high horse. that's the truth. leave this family alone. >> and by the way, our thoughts and prayers. the father and you saw pictures with the mother, it's absolutely heartbreaking as parents none of us here can imagine it. our thoughts and prayers are with you all.

we'll move on with politics now. we're hearing joe biden discuss a possible 2016 candidacy while promoting the iran deal on a kmal. he's exploring whether or not there is the emotional fuel at this time to run. >> i would have to be able to commit to all of you that i would be able to give it my whole heart and my whole soul and right now, both are pretty well banged up. and we're trying to figure out that issue. that's the truth of the matter, and, but believe me, i've given this a lot of thought and dealing internally in the family about how we do this. >> this comes as yet another report details interest in the biden candidacy from the obama donor network. >> it's pretty incredible. >> conversations with "the washington post," several top

fundraisers for the president's 2008 campaigns say they are eager to o talk 2016 with biden. one uncommitted donor said, people will want to look him in the eye and see that in fact, he has the fire in. the belly because that was just crystal clear when we all had that conversation with then-senator obama, and i think people want to have that same sense with joe. >> so mark halperin, a lot to talk about, but we have breaking news, polls. some pretty incredible. >> lots of things this poll. >> hillary clinton leads nationally, but joe biden does better than she does slightly in head to heads. >> biden is now doing better against republicans? >> trump leads nationally. carson is second, which is something we're seeing consistently. and then hillary clinton's unfavorable is very high.

what's the first word you think of when asked the name of a presidential candidate? the leading answer for hillary clinton was liar. the leading answer for trump was arrogant. and the leading word for jeb bush, bush. >> that may be a problem. >> it may be, it may not be. bush is also the last name of one of our most popular former presidents, his father. i think the republican primary voters are well aware of that. i would rather be known as bush than a liar. >> these questions, what happens is they ask in these polls. it's the part of the polls that always scared me the most because they were the most constructive. and then you have to sit there and read the answers. >> what were some of the worst? >> he works for msnbc.

that was the past. but these are the ver baits. these are the most revealing. for hillary clinton, that's bad news. somehow arrogant. works in trump's favor. >> it's better than the other two. >> there's also some other things in here. word clouds. you have to see them. >> so we put it together. >> they are kind of interesting. >> let's go on. you prepare the word cloud graphic for us. diving poll numbers, hillary clinton took a really different tone on her e-mail server campaign stop in iowa. take a look at this. >> i know people have raised questions about my e-mail use and i understand why, i get it. so here's what i want the american people to know.

my use of personal e-mail was allowed by the state department. it clearly wasn't the best choice. i should have used two e-mails, one personal, one for work, and i take responsibility for that decision. and i want to be as transparent as possible, which is why i turned over 55,000 pages, why i turned over my server, why i have agreed to, been asking to and finally got an date to testify before a congressional committee in october. and i'm confident that this process will prove that i never sent nor received any e-mail that was marked classified. >> i hate to tell the truth, but i'm going to tell the truth. i'm going to say it on the air. the timing of this was suspect at best.

when they knew that cable news networks would be 24/7 on a horrible news story. come on, you know it was planned to be dropped this way. this is how campaigns think. she said the state department allowed me to do this. when time and time again, you talk to anybody in the obama administration, they will tell you, no, this wasn't allowed. we had regulations. that would be like me saying "morning joe" allowed me to come onset with my shirt untucked. it is this morning, i'm sorry. who is going to tell me to tuck in my shirt? the state department allowed me to do this. she was the secretary of state. she ignored barack obama. she ignored the obama administration. but to come out and say the state department allowed me to do this. "morning joe" allow mess to come on without wearing socks. >> i disagree with you about the

timing. did she say anything differenten live than in the past? no, it's about the tone. what she needed to do is talking something other than the e-mails and she was trying to show less combativeness, less sarcasm, no joking in a way to say to the press and the public, i get it, i'm not in denial, even though the facts she showed no give. >> i think this was to clean up from joke a week ago. even her supporters were troubled by that. >> you have been tough saying that hillary needed to apologize. was this a first step for you? >> it's an incremental step. mistakes were made. i take responsibility for the fact that mistakes were made.

i frankly don't think she's dealt with the issue that you raised about what was allowed and what wasn't. i think she does not at all deal with the issue of running it through a server in your house as oppose d to having a gmail account. and the whole question of something was more classified or considered classified or whatever, it's carefully parsed language. >> and she said i never sent or received any e-mails marked classified. that a ridiculous standard. by the way, they can keep saying it. petraeus got arrested for e-mails and information that didn't have classified mark on it. she knows that's not the standard. everybody knows that's not the standard. >> legally and politically,

let's say she said, there were e-mails that traversed my system that had information that was classified. what happens then? >> i guess that's the question. i can tell you what's going to happen then. the same thing that would have happened if she didn't say that. the fbi is going to continue their investigation. the justice department is going to be looking into it. either they are going to be honest and transparent and do their job or let politics get in the way of their investigation. it doesn't matter what she says. i think that's political. and politically, what you said in your column a week or two ago is actually pitch perfect for her. that's just not what the clintons do. >> no, i suggested a couple of very short, simple, declarative sentences, i was wrong, i'm sorry and we didn't get quite there, but this was something a somewhat different tone from what we have heard before and so we'll see.

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a new report suggests donald trump might soon pledge to forego the option of a third party candidacy. we have a lot of people in joe's life that are kind of obsessed. >> we're exchanging text messages from family and friends that are obsessed with donald trump. >> where do you want to begin? your brother needs to like take it down one notch. he can maybe text once every two

minutes. >> i was just in nevada for eight days. my father, and i thought it was a personal issue, but he and his friends run the spectrum from once a day pot smokers from santa cruz to die hard businessmen and women and they are obsessed with trump. i spent the first few days trying to reason with him. they don't care. he's like the political pleasure giver. they make him feel good, they say what they think and i believe now, you told me this a few weeks ago, that he's going to be around for a long time. he's a real front runner. >> and there are a lot of conservatives that are now coming to the realization that you can't reason with trump supporters. and they don't want to hear it because this is all a gut thing.

this is about analyzing. >> he stumps everybody. "the huffington post" reports that trump is telling top republicans he will fully commit to running as a republican. that seems like news though. >> that is. >> that wouldn't be in the entertainment section. >> that's something that bothered people. >> in an interview yesterday, trump did not take as strong a stance as he had in the past. >> are you ruling out a third party run? >> it's not something i'll want to do. at some point i'll totally commit. i didn't think it was appropriate to commit during the debate. i was a little surprised by the fact that they even asked me at the debate. >> and of course, trump sat down with mark. >> talked about a range of issues including his faith. >> you mentioned the bible. it's your favorite book and last

night in iowa some people are surprised you say that. i'm wondering what one or two of your most favorite verses are. >> i wouldn't want to get into it because to me that's very personal. when i talk about the bible, it's very personal. the bible means a lot to me, but i don't want to get into specifics. >> even to cite a verse? >> old testament or new te testament? >> probably equal. i think it's just an incredible -- the whole bible is an incredible -- i joke very much so. my second favorite book of all time. >> leading among evangelicals, he's taunted jeb bush by calling him a low energy person. >> he's thoughtful. >> that's a nice way. >> i believe. >> he's thinking before he talks. >> he seems really smart.

trump did it again yesterday on bloomberg politics. >> he is a low energy person by nature. that's okay, there's nothing wrong with that. i know some wonderful low energy people. they are some of the nicest people i know. >> yesterday bush pushed back taking a more forceful tone on trump and his policies. >> i've learned a little bit about leadership through trial and error. i have tire marks on my fore head to prove it. you learn these things if you're all in. you learn these things by experience. you don't talk about things on the sidelines. we need leadership in washington, d.c. high energy leadership. this guy is now the front run perp he should be held to account just like me. he should be asked, how are you going to pay for it? why is this -- why don't you prove to e me it's not practical. explain how you're going to stop without violating people's civil liberties. go through these questions and

this guy doesn't have a plan. he's appealing to people's anger. i want to solve problems so we can fix this and turn immigration into what it's always been, an economic driver for our country, but today it's not. >> he seemed a little more dynamic. you can't force that. it was a little bit forced. >> first of all, god bless jeb for being high energy in pensacola, florida. but donald trump knows how to get under people's skin. >> we asked him about that in the interview. we asked if anyone was under my skin. >> you dent tweet at midnight if no one is under your skin. >> i don't want to ask who get the best of that back and forth. >> i think vanity will ultimately --

>> you look at history. how did romney take that? got under his skin. if you can't get under donald trump's skin, it's going to be hard to take him down. so far, i don't think anybody has. >> i think all of you are under his skin. >> it doesn't affect his performance and break his tide. >> with all due respect, and i'm going to speak if your father and my brother, he's making the same mistake that people have underestimated donald trump. that is that he just -- he's all bluster. he hasn't planned this out. he's driven developers in manhattan crazy for 40 years, and people have always underestimated him and thought he was a clown. do you know the line of bodies

that have floated down the east river? not literally, by people who have underestimated donald trump. . if you don't think that after john mccain, if that had blown up in his face, he would have adjusted. donald trump has figured out that punching people in the face harder when they punch him always pays off. yr father likes it. >> the exchange yesterday hadn't gotten under his skin a degree, it wouldn't have ended with donald trump sitting down with him. i think he's obsessed with what's said about him on television. >> listen to you. listen to you. i cannot even believe you. who do you think -- we're sitting here saying he did come out in the beginning, but he brought him back later and reasoned with him and that was

good. as far as republican primaries voters go, puppeteers, they loved him kicking out a guy giving a speech. that politically was gold for donald trump. we're sitting here, i'm shocked and stunned. then the second part, they are like, okay, he had to reason because everybody is politically correct. but i'm only direct this to you. you have run republicans campaigns in primaries. you know better than this. i think you were fired from "the view" because you called donald trump a clown. everybody at home, i didn't say that. that's what your parents tell you. >> i believe that standing up for yourself is exactly what the republican base wants to see. it's the single thing they like the most. and i think the slogan on his hat has been internalized, making america great again is

like medicine, like a sick feeling that they have had over the last eight years. but i think responding to everything said about him on television is a mistake. i don't think the path to the presidency stops by attacking megyn kelly every night on twitter. >> he's gone from 15% to 20% to 25% to 30% to 35%. my brother and your father e-mailed polls that show him at 40%. >> i'm only saying these things because it's 3:00 a.m. in the west. >> i think this also really makes us look at the word journalist differently. you have to ask, and i know americans as they watch this and they are drawn to him or her, whoever, are seeing something new play out. whether it's megyn kelly or others, what is a journalist? is a journalist someone who clearly has far right lean and

attacks for a reason or far left lean and attacks for a a reason and has like a soap box in the middle of his or her questions or has an angle because that's not a journalist. that's someone who doesn't stay in the lines of objectivity and ask clean questions. i also take a look at this show and we have our world view and i think we redefine in many ways the word. this is taking it to the center of politics and making us look at everybody asking the questions in these feuds and i don't think you can use the word journalist. >> by the way, megyn kelly got in the middle of the story. she made herself part of the story for good or ill. we do it sometimes ourselves, and donald trump won. jorge ramos got in the middle. they thought i'm going to get the best of donald trump.

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happens in tech. you have a start up that does an extraordinary thing and either the big hulking dinosaurs on the earth figure out how to adapt or they go extinct. i think trump is already making jeb better. >> i agree. >> i loved cranky jeb. anybody knows jeb is a smart ass. this is about authenticity. if somebody is saying, 600 years ago, get out of my face. >> that was actually good. that was actually good. i agree that that was like authentic, high energy, it was in your face. if he's more like that, i still don't e know if he's figured out donald trump. this frustration is very simple for you in the media, we're kind of reporting what he says and

questioning the validity of this it plan of just building a wall and don't yell at us just because a guy is beating you. >>. so in your paper, george will writes this. the havoc that trump wreaks when trump was a volumable birther, an interviewer asked if he had people searching in hawaii for facts. absolutely, trump said. they can't believe what they're finding. trump reticence is rare, but he has never shared those findings. he now says, never mind. if in november 2016, the fragments of an ever smaller and more homogeneous gop might be picked up with tweezerers, trump, having taken his act elsewhere, will look back over his shoulder at the wreckage he wrougt and say, oh, never mind. >> i'm speaking about my brother a lot. george will, public enemy number

one to my brother and the rest of trump nation. >> that's amazing. george will, a great columnist, conservative, but a great columnist and a great guy. and all of a sudden, you're right, he's public enemy number one because george's head is about to explode. i really kind of worried about george and his reaction to trump. he watches this happening and it's just against everything he's always stood for. and it's driving him nuts. >> a lot of members of congress who aren't speaking publicly, they want someone to take on trump. they are increasingly worried you get to iowa and new hampshire, what if trump wins iowa and new hampshire, can he be stopped at that point? >> if he wins iowa or new hampshire, i know south carolina a little bit, he's going to win south carolina by 40 points. trump is going to roll through

south carolina. >> one reason why jeb bush is having a good time, even though trump is discombobulated somewhat, there's no one else in the field trying to take on trump and doing it effectively. you have carly fiorina speaking out, but the party elites are looking for someone to stop donald trump before thanksgiving and jeb bush right now is the one who seems capable of doing it and interested in doing it. >> all right, up next his community was devastated by the on-air execution of two journalists. the mayor of roanoke, virginia, is our guest next on "morning joe." e gutters. have you touched the stuff? it's evil. and ladders. sfx: [screams] they have all those warnings on 'em. might as well say... 'you're gonna die, jeff.' you hired someone to clean the gutters. not just someone. angie's list helped me find a highly rated service provider to do the work at a fair price. ♪ everyone can shop, but members get more with reviews,

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>> i have to bring him out. adam, come out from in front of the camera. he is the ugly stepmother and just looking absolutely gorgeous in this costume. how do you feel right now? >> i rolled an ankle, but we're good since then. it's respect. it's very form fitting we'll say. >> you said when you saw that yesterday you could tell how close they were. that they would do goofy stuff. >> that was alison parker and adam ward, the two journalists gunned down in virginia. joining us is the mayor of roanoke. thank you for coming on the show under these horrific circumstances. tell us what's planned in your community given what has happened and how also you're cope oing with the coverage and all the attention it's getting, if you can hear me, sir.

>> yeah, i can. the sun is just coming out on another beautiful morning here in our part of the virginia, but the mood of our community is very sad and very sickened by this horrific event from yesterday. it's just -- we're in shock. i don't know -- i would guess not too many people slept well last night. wdbj is one of the leading affiliates in the nation and it's a big station in our part of virginia. so when there's a snowstorm or local government controversy or something in our area that affects the lives of our people, the reporters from channel 7 are there. we invite them into our home through the television and they become part of our life. it's been a very sad time. >> so at this point, are we still in shock mode? anything planned for the community? i'm wondering about the people

who work at the station who must be at this point really having trouble functioning. it's been the most gripping 24 hours because of the publicity and because it happened on live television. >> these journalists are very professional. i happen to catch their 12:00 news yesterday and a little bit of the news this morning. they are broadcasting the news here to roanoke in a very serene and professional way. i'm amazed at how very dedicated they are to their craft in presenting the news here. and the news about the loss of their colleague. >> mayor, thank you very much. we'll be following this story. please let us know about anything that is set up, funds and charities or whatever moves forward in their names.

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it's my phone, hold on a second. hello. >> conan, it's donald trump. shut up and sit down. just sit down. >> sir, i am sitting down. >> then sit lower. you're annoying me, sit lower. there's a lever on your chair. reach down and lower your chair, please. that latino reporter was a madman. she was like a motorized pinata full of hot sauce. >> mr. trump, you can't say that. >> i'm telling you, conan, speedy gonzales ran right at me.

>> those are all offensive stereotypes, sir. >> hold on, stop talking, my assistant just brought me a print out of my stereotypes. >> wait a minute, that's ridiculous. >> okay, look, larry, get in there. get conan out of there. i'm tired of this. this is getting nowhere. this guy is a loser. >> this is my show. >> i can't don't care, you're fired. >> the only thing wrong with that is that guy was rougher with conan than trump's guy was with what's his name. >> welcome back to "morning joe." we have mark here. >> and eugene robinson is still with us. moderator of "meet the press" is joining us this morning. >> chuck, a lot to talk about this morning. why don't we jump right in. >> the new quinnipiac poll finds hillary clinton leads the field with 45%, down from 55% in july

with senator bernie sanders at 22% and vice president joe biden at 18%. on the republican side, donald trump has climbed 8 points since july to 28%, a big lead over second place ben carson. and a three-way tie for third between jeb bush, ted cruz and marco rubio. trump is competitive in head to head matchups with hillary clinton and joe biden where biden is outperforming clinton by 4 points. in the first word voters associate clinton with they say, quote, liar. the second is dishonest. for donald trump it's arrogant and second is blow hard. and for jeb bush, bush with family in second.

>> chuck todd, there's so much to digest there. people are horrified by these ver baits. those aren't good. i want to start, though, with the open rebellion within the republican party. when we look at polls and we add up, first thing we do is we add up trump and carson. and that's just the percentage of republicans saying you guys in d.c. have screwed us in the past. we want a new direction. we reject all of you. that number at 40%. >> i think it's a smart way to look at it. and i keep looking at these polls and we talk about trump, we talk about bush. we'll talk about walker dropping or talk about rubio in a standstill or kasich. the guy we never talk about is ben carson. and ben carson has been just

sort of the tortoise in this race. he keeps marching along. he doesn't do things as traditionally as the other campaigns. it's not quite like trump. it's sort of the opposite of trump as far as persona for dr. carson. and yet it is the same message just without the insults. and i think the carson aspect of this campaign is something that all of us need to learn more about. i see it and it is interesting to me. you go to a carly fiorina event. you hear people talk about carson as a second choice. you talk to trump people. the next person they bring up is carson. there's a lot of overlap between those three candidates. >> i've got to say, too, and this is where the press doesn't get it. when i'm with highly educated,

successful people that have voted in every election over the past 30 or 40 years, they bring up ben carson. i want to say to them, but wait, he doesn't -- but they know what they are talking about. they know what they want. and they see something in ben carson that political professionals and pundits and people like us who have been in the business for a a long time don't see. >> i would add to the differences between carson and trump that the campaign has been all substance. not only is it devoid of insults and media fights, but he was in har lem last week offering his take on the black lives matter conversation that we have had as a country and he got a lot of attention in conservative media. but i think there is a blind spot, if you will, in some other co corners of the media landscape. i watch ben carson every night and i'm pretty aware of what he

does every day and his campaign is completely substantiative. it's devoid of all shrillness. he's not fighting with other republicans. he's just putting out his message. >> it must be working. on the democratic side, we look at joe biden outperforming hillary clinton in. the national poll in the general election where it matters most. >> when people in the democratic party express concern about hillary clinton going into this nomination fight with only bernie sanders basically backing, maybe there's an appetite for joe biden. those national numbers not just the fact he's doing better, but her unfavorable number. s and the word cloud on the political side, that is what is driving a lot of the interest in biden. whether he runs or not, as he suggested yesterday, it's all personal, but there's an increasing appetite in the democratic party to say let's have biden in there. >> it looks like the support is

there. >> the word cloud for hillary is devasta devastating. >> so for the first time in months, we're hearing vice president joe biden discuss a possible 2016 candidacy. while promoting the iran deal on a call with democratic national committee members, biden says he's exploring whether or not there's the emotional fuel at this time to run. >> if i were to announce to run, i have to be able to commit to all of you that i would be able to give it my whole heart and my whole soul, and right now, both are pretty well banged up. we're trying to figure out that issue. that's the truth of the matter and, but believe me, i've given this a lot of thought and dealing with internally in the family about how we do this. >> so this comes as yet another report details interest in a biden candidacy from the obama donor network. in conversations with "the washington post," several top

fundraisers for his campaigns say they are eager to talk 2016 with biden. one uncommitted donor said, quote, people will want to look him in the eye and see that he has the fire in the belly, because that was just crystal clear when we all had that conversation with then-senator obama, and i think people want to have the same sense with joe. yesterday in iowa, hillary clinton talked about the new speculation around the vice president. >> vice president biden is a friend of mine. he and i were colleagues in the senate. i worked with him as first lady. i worked with him in president obama's first term, and i have a great deal of admiration and affection for him. i think he has to make what is a very difficult decision for himself and his family. he should have the space and the opportunity to decide what he

wants to do. i always thought this would be a competitive campaign. i don't think anybody should have thought otherwise. >> so chuck, you remember a couple days ago when trump was making fun of jeb and marco for loving each other. and that's why people hate politics. hillary up there, i'm sorry, i'm just saying it because it's true. it just sounds so extraordinary insincere. >> because i like the guy and i don't want him to run. >> or the truth is we're competing for the same space and these two have thrown sharp elbows at each other in the past. that's politics. >> it is, but do you realize that the person secretary clinton was closest to in the obama administration was secretary biden. that part of it, this is something i learned when i wrote my book on obama. that's who secretary clinton was closer than she ever was with

president obama. >> she didn't have a lot of close contacts. >> we're in football season. we're getting ready preseason. there's something about biden and seeing this new honeymoon he's having. i can't help but think of him as sort of like when the fan base is not happy with how the starting quarterback is playing. suddenly the backup is really popular. the question is what is the backup look like when you put him in as the starter? vice president biden did not sound like somebody yesterday ready to run for president. >> he did said he was beaten up emotion emotion emotionally, obviously. >> i totally agree with chuck. i heard him say i'm really beaten up emotionally. i have to figure out if i can get up the emotional commitment and the energy to do this grueling thing for a year. and i think that's absolutely

where he is, and it did not sound to me like somebody who is raring to jump in. it sounded like somebody who they said he's going to wait another month. it sounds like somebody who is paying attention, who wants to see how secretary clinton does the next month or so, how the whole e-mail thing shakes out, if she has her footing. if her numbers are solid or if they erode and whether there's a need for him to jump in. >> there you go. >> joe biden has one of the biggest hearts that any of us know. but his heart needs to go to his grandchildren, his two living children and his wife and i think he's really wrestling with giving up being president forever if he doesn't run, versus the responsibility he feels to his family to be there for them. no matter how well he manages

his time, there's no way to run for president and be at your grand kids games. there's no way to do. >> as a total outsider, i don't know him personally. from the outside it looks to me like he's looking at someone that doesn't have what it takes to represent the party he loves and to run the country he loves. i don't know if anyone has a better perch. if i were him and looking at all the negativity, hillary clinton is the most weakened front runner for her party in a very long time. >> so on that note, here's hillary clinton yesterday taking what some would describe as a very different tone on the whole controversy surrounding her e-mails. take a look. >> i know people have raised questions about my e-mail use, and i understand why. i get it. here's what i want the american people to know. my use of personal e-mail was allowed by the state department.

it clearly wasn' the best choice. i should have used two e-mails, one personal, one for work, and i take responsibility for that decision. and i want to be as transparent as possible, which is why i turned over 55,000 pages, why i turned over my server, why i have agreed and have been asking to and finally gotten a date to testify a congressional committee in october. i'm confident that this process will prove that i never sent nor received any e-mail that was marked classified. >> i'm going to say this again. i have said it a lot. i'm going to say it again. i really like hillary clinton personally. i really do, but you want to talk about football analogies, and i have said this a long

time, too. when she puts on that political helmet to play the game of politics, she just is awful. i want to be as transparent as possible. everybody watching, everybody listening knows that is not true. the state department allowed me to do it. she was the state department. she was the secretary of state. . the obama administration put out regulations that said, no, you don't do this. if you talk to the obama administration now, they will tell you is she did not play by the rules. and nicole said who lets her do this. this is so terrible. you look at the word cloud in the latest poll and you know why there's such distrust about her. because this is just not -- there's nothing sincere about it. >> chuck todd, and try not to answer the question with, well, because everyone does that.

>> what a wind up that is. >> i'm going to ask you a question, but don't answer it. >> actually, i think she's asking you to answer the question. >> chuck, she says it was allowed by the state department. was it allowed by the white house, which i believe trumps the state department? >> well, and no. >> hold on, you're stepping on it. >> that was not -- that wasn't the spirit of the regulation. and this is, obviously, she's trying to parse words here. let me tell you something about if she had used that tone and that language three months ago, there would have come across more sincere. she's finally found the right tone to answer the question.

there were no jokes, there was no anger about this being partisan. she was trying to come across as more transparent, even though the server, it was all of those things she had done it was demanded of her. it wasn't as if she volunteered. >> there's an fbi investigation. >> her tone was much better yesterday. let me bring up something quickly on biden that's very important. the thing that biden is wrestling with the most is that if he says no and doesn't run, it's an acknowledgment your political career is over. that's a big thing for a man for 40 years who has strived to have the ambition to run for president to acknowledge. we have to remember he's a human being here. this is not something that's being drawn up in a smoke-filled room about how do you get the nomination. it's very important for us to know. >> brilliant point. along that line, i go back to

the remarkable book "what it takes." when his campaign in '88 collapsed, he was just shocked. but he knew it was god's will for him to do this. that this was his mission and this was part of who he was. he was a senator at 29. that doesn't leave you. so i understand he wants to be with the grand kids. i understand he wants to be with his children, but at the same time, this is the core of who he is. >> sometimes you only know how to do what you do. >> did they want grandpa to sit in the backyard sad? i have to ask a quick question of gene. the thing is, we're talking about joe biden. joe biden is filling a massive void right now for a lot of

democrats who were worried. i want to follow up from what was said before. it's unpress dependecedented yo somebody who the word association is liar, the second one is dishonest. her unfavorables are skyrocketing. democrats have to see her as the weakest front runner in recent history. if it's not joe biden, it's going to be somebody else, right? >> i don't think they necessarily see her as the weakest front runner in history. i was looking at the quinnipiac poll. they asked democrats are there any candidates you would definitely not vote for. hillary clinton was something like 11%. the republican side donald trump was at 26%. so we have way ahead. and by the way, last on the list

on the republican list of you would never vote for is ben carson with 5%. everybody else had a larger number of republicans who would never vote for them except ben carson. >> wow, so do you have both parties offering up incredibly flawed front runners? >> yeah, i think that explains the love affair with donald trump that your brother and my father are engaged in. he represents -- my father said last week that there's not much policy difference between the clinton presidency and the bush presidency. there's this feeling that everything in washington has become white noise and this mushy incompetence thing that they feel that donald trump is the only one that can break. hillary clinton is as much a part of that. trump is now starting to draw support even among democrats because he offers the only clear contrast to what everyone else is selling.

>> if you're a republican and a hard core republican, you have lost 5 of the last 6 presidential elections in the popular vote and you have been a part of two revolutions, 2010 and 2014 were both political earthquakes. 2010 i think the most republican seats nationwide of the state and national level and ever and then at 14 another revolution of sorts and nothing seems to change in washington. >> the establishment under estimated it. the strength of trump and the other is the overhang of the two legacy candidates. tens of millions of people say bush and clinton, we'll end up with the general election. those are driving the dynamic. we want to turn to the tragedy in virginia. two journalists alison parker and adam ward, shot to death yesterday on live television. joining us now from roanoke is

wdbj general manager and alison parker's boyfriend, who is an anchor at the station. chris, wow, i feel like we know you and knew alison by just the jobs you had, the life you shared. i'm reading about you and it looks like even on your late shift and her early shift, you had a a way of communicate canning and ask her to text you when she got o to work. can you tell us about that. >> thank you for asking me that question. yeah, it's tough to be in this business. we lost two of our own. two of us. and we get each other and that's why adam and melissa were such a strong couple and will remain a strong couple because they were

in the business like alison and i were in the business. i worked until about midnight. would stay up for her and would be there for her as she woke up and got started with her day. and yesterday morning i made her her favorite scrambled eggs and a smoothy and packed her a lunch and i never had done that before for any woman. but i wanted to do it for alison because i loved her so much. i took so much joy and something to minor as cutting strawberries for her to pack a lunch and she was the most important thing in the world to me. so i did worry. i worried about her just like anybody would worry about the person that they love the most. so we would text each other when we got to work like so many other couples do. she would have to go to work in the middle of the night. so i wanted to hear from her and make sure she got to work safe.

last night she text me that she got to work safe and said good night, and that was the last i heard from her. i saw it before i went to sleep. . then a few hours later i woke up to calls telling me to come to the station. >> sounds like it was completely real between you two. you're planning on getting married? >> of course, we had only been together nine months. i know that's not a long period of time, but we had had a love that burned white hot. we met at the station christmas party last year. that's when for some reason something came over me and i saw her in the most beautiful golden sequin dress. everyone remembers the way she looked that day. and something came over me. something said, chris, you got to do something to get. her attention to get her to be interested in you. for some reason she was interested back and e we had our

first date on new year's day. we went to a mexican restaurant. she loved mexican food. we couldn't even eat our food we were so nervous. we just talked the whole time. it was the start of nine wonderful months. we celebrated, so for six months she gave me the book that i've been sharing with people because it was personal to me and to her when she gave it to me. but now i feel like the entire world and country wants to know her and know about how beautiful she was and she called us the cutest, prettiest couple ever. and i believe it. and we were going to get. married. she died at her happiest. i can tell you that. i was talking with her participants last nig participaparents last night. she celebrated her birthday last

week. for her birthday she went down to the river and wept white water rafting and kayaking. she's really good at it. i don't know what the heck i'm doing on the water so we did white water rafting because that's easier and it was the best time i have ever had. she had a great time too and there's a part on the river where there's a log cabin and it's beautiful and tranquil. and she said to me, she turned back, we were in separate rafts and e she turned back to me and said this is where i want to marry you. we moved in together at the beginning of august with the hopes of saving money to buy a house and to buy a ring. and i gave her a ring that i bought for her birthday just as a promise ring, and i told her it was a promise ring. and i looked yesterday in our apartment and i couldn't find it. i know she was wearing it yesterday when she died. >> you said it was the gold dress. do you remember what you did to

finally get her attention? was there a moment? what was it that you did? >> that's between us. and there have been many things that i have shared, but the early moments of our relationship were white hot and were wonderful and that flame remained burning yesterday and remains burning in my heart even now. >> jeff marks, adam ward, just from looking at the video, it seems like any of the great photographers i worked with, he seemed like such a nice guy. do you know how melissa is doing? i know she was leaving the station. >> she had a rough day. i haven't talked to her this morning, but i know other members of the staff were with her. she got the help she needed.

she's a strong person too. she will find her way through this. >>. she's surrounded by people at the station. people that she loves. this station, just like so many other workplaces, but unique to newsrooms has rallied around those who have lost today and yesterday and she loved him with all of her heart. >> and adam was just a kwint sent shl great guy. i played softball with him. we had a wonderful team. won the city championship can. he kept him in stitches on the morning shift. when everybody was just a little tired coming to work, he livened things up. there wasn't anything he wouldn't do for the community or for his fellow workers. >> but it is unconscionable to think they were going to leave us. if you want to move up, you

can't stay in the same location. it was her last day at work. alison brought her a bottle of wine and balloons to say good-bye. >> you gois have the most amazing memories and thank you so much for sharing them with us. thank you. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back.

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ceiling. make president obama make a compromise on spending. >> i do. there's a lot of fat. you can do a lot of cutting. >> you have gotten attention for comments you made about the hedge fund industry because they pay lower taxes on carried interest. hillary clinton has proposed that you should get rid of that carried interest loophole as ordinary income. do you agree? >> i'll tell you this. the carried interest is a tremendous burden on the country. i have friends and enemies, i am saying it for the good of the country. none of them are going to support me and i don't want their support, although i could get it if i want it. hillary clinton has many hedge fund people supporting her. so i would say that the hedge fund people make a lot of money and pay very little tax. i'm about the middle class. i want the middle class to be thriving again. we're losing our middle class. >> so change the tax code?

>> i would change it. i would simplify it. >> you want to tax carried interest in the same way as ordinary income? >> i would take carried interest out and let people making hundreds of millions of dollars a year pay some tax. right now they are paying very little tax and it's outrageous. i want to lower taxes for the middle class. i want to lower taxes for people that are making a lot of money that need incentives. >> that would affect not just hedge fund people, but people in limited real estate partnerships. you're proposing you'd like to raise taxes on yourself? >> that's right. i'm okay with it. you've seen my statements. i don't mind paying some tax. the middle class is getting clobbered in this country. the middle class built this country. i know people in hedge funds that pay almost nothing. and it's ri ddiculous. >> now you're a republican. do you recall who you supported in 1992? >> i liked -- i actually liked

ross perot a lot. i thought he was great. i think he went a little off the deep end, unfortunately, but i thought he was good. i will say this. had he not existed, you're not talking about bill clinton and you're not worried about hillary now. i think i would probably would have voted for bush. but i respected perot. he really hit something. had had he not gone out and a lot of crazy things happened, i think he would have had a number that was substantially better. >> you said probably. so you don't remember? you're not clear? >> i do remember. i don't like to talk about who i voted for. in this case i voted for bush. >> let me ask you in 2004. do you remember who you supported in that election? >> bush. >> why? >> i was hoping he would do a good job. >>. what didn't you like? >> i don't like what he did with the war. >> why did you choose bush over gore? >> i became more and more

conservative. he was certainly more conservative. who wasn't than gore. but bush was somebody that i was very disappointed in. in 20 o 03 and 2004 i said iraq is a mistake. i believe in the military. i would have a very powerful, strong military that nobody is going to mess with us. but to do iraq was a terrible mistake, in my opinion. the way we got out was another mistake also. but these are things that i say and some people agree and some don't agree at all. but i was very disappointed with him, but i voted for him. the last thing we need is another bush. i feel strongly about that. i was not happy with the last one. i wasn't. happy with that either. there was a big problem. read my lips, that was his father who was a lovely man. but the last thing we need is another bush. i would say that maybe if you would have asked me that question two or e three weeks ago, i would have said maybe he

would be the most likely one, now i'm not sure. >> who is more likely than bush? >> there's a group that seems to be forming. so far, they are way behind. >> jeb bush recommended you should read his book on immigration. are you going. to do that? >> i don't think so. >> why not? >> i have more important things. >> he talked about anchor babies. >> i read "the new york times" e editorial today. he took the hispanics and he changed hispanics and mexicans with the asians and now the asian community is furious at him. i have seen protests going on about what he said. so he thought he would get out of that by talking about asians. that was terrible. >> that's not a phrase you have hesitated to use. >> no, and nobody has complained about it. they complain about it because they don't expect e he would be using that.

he signed a memo saying don't use anchor babies. it's not appropriate. then he uses it. now he uses it because i'm using it and maybe he wants to keep up with it. >> would you consider him as your running mate? >> i don't want to talk about running mates. i like to do one thing at a time. right now i'm looking good. i'm not talking about running mates. i just spoke to him. he said such a big problem. corporate inversion. we have $ 2.5 trillion and companies are leaving this ko country. it used to be you leave new york for florida or new jersey for texas or something. if used to be state to state. now it's country for country. we have companies with thousands and thousands of jobs that are leaving this country to get money. >>. what's the trump proposal to handle the question of inversions? >> let the money come in, tax it at a lower rate. it's $2.5 trillion. they don't even know what it is.

it could be more than that. this is money that could be spent in this country. part of the problem with politics and it's so crazy is that democrats and republicans for two years i've been hearing about that, they always agree. companies are leaving this ko country in order to go outside and get their money. they are taking the money and going to the money. and we're losing thousands and thousands of jobs. by the way, it's get. ing worse. there's so many big kpans looking at going outside to get that money. >> you announced for president just over two months. does it seem longer than that? >> it seems longer, but it's gone fast. >> what's been the single highlight and single low light? >> the low light was when i was attacked for the words illegal immigration. and now it's also the highlight. he was right, you had the horrible story with kate from san francisco. so many people were so badly hurt. what's happened is incredible. that was maybe a highlight and also a low light.

>> it may have been the word rapist. >> you have criminals coming. just the other day in california you had a man come over, 66-year-old, raped her, killed her, tortured her. you have that too. we can be babies and say it doesn't exist. tremendous crime coming in. i think i have done a great service, frankly. i hope i have. >> thank you for hosting us today. we'll see you on the campaign trail. >> it seemed like there were a couple of strings of renewed or new discipline. it seemed like a turning point interview. i thought there were going to be more things we would chuckle about. it was actually kind of a turning point. >> i had the same reaction. other people i talked to, there's this balance. most people run for president change over time. there's a real change there on some of those answers. a lot of those shown in the

longer interview. he showed balance and a temperament and a strong principled stand on some tax issues that i haven't seen him show in too many places. >> you said it, i was thinking it while we were watching, a real discipline. i'm saying this about donald. a real discipline when it comes to message. it's that middle class, middle class, middle clasp populous message that other republicans have been talking about for a long time. bill clis tall, even though he doesn't like trump, this is the message that cuts through. >> republicans have been hungering for an eloquent defender of capitalism for three presidential cycles. i said that watching on this monitor. his message is the thing that has crystallized in the last two months. >> celebrate the middle class.

>> and be a republican and, i've been saying it for years, be. a republican that calls bs on billionaires paying 14% taxes. he just did it. i haven't heard another republican do that. they should have a long time ago when secretaries pay 28%. hedge funders pay 14%. that's a middle class message. >> so you look at the republican front runner who demands that interviews are done in public places and accessible to people and then one of many presentations by the democrat front runner hillary clinton who has got like a lit stage with a tractor behind her, which is lit and it's empty. it's also an interesting parallel. up next, "time" magazines turns the tables on stephen colbert. we'll be right back. shopping online...

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now we're going to see him take david letterman's spot on september 8th as himself. it's really interesting to think about. this is the guy, don't forget, that gave us the term truthiness. it described a whole era. this idea that maybe the facts say that this thing isn't the case, but i feel like it's true. i feel like vaccines cause autism. so it must be true. so the potential for him to change the landscape not just of late night but the things we talk about is very great. >> has he been on the cover before? >> this is his first cover. >> what do we know? what's the show going to be like? a traditional late night show with a monologue and guest on the couch? >> yes, it's going to be that. he has a funny line about the desk. everyone is asking if you're going to have a desk and interview people. he said the desk doesn't have to be -- the desk can be like

snoopy's dog house. it can be a source of comedy too. they have announced some of the early guest. s on the show. and you may know this. one of his first guests is jeb bush. he made his name on the colbert report kind of had smart fun with authors and politicians and intellectuals. it seems like he's going to try to carry that on. a few of his other early gifts is the ceo of uber, ceos, scientists. there's potential for different conversations. >> who's the most powerful woman in the internet? >> the most powerful woman on the internet is the woman who runs youtube. youtube is like the plais that children going online. because they're watching music videos. they're watching television shows on youtube, viral clips from jimmy fallon. these are the eye balls that everybody wants. we think of youtube as this really kind of lawless, you know, collection of this and

that and whatever. >> we were worried about parts of it. >> we worry about parts of it, but it's an incredibly powerful place. her leadership, she took over a year ago. her leadership could be really pifftle in terms of how we -- think about how much online video has changed conversations in america. you know, the availability of certain things on video. youtube is the ground zero for that. and she's in charge of it. so that's why. >> "time" also telling you how to act like steve jobs. >> please don't read that. >> radhika jones, thank you so much. looks like another great issue. looking for the cover of "time" magazine with stephen colbert. still ahead, talk about stepping out of your comfort zone. the new summer movie that has owen wilson as an action hero. owen will join us ahead on "morning joe."

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they're both from this area. adam graduated from salem high school, went to virginia tech. alison, martinsville high school. graduated early and graduated jmu with honors and had such a bright future, both of them. and adam just told me, i'm going to get out of news. i think i'm going to do something else, following his fiance down to charlotte. it's just --

>> virginia tech fan. in the morning, we get here really early in the morning. when we come in, they just make the newsroom coming live. everybody comes in groggy. adam talking about the virginia tech, something going on. alison, you can hear her a mile away coming down the hall. >> we want to remember alison and adam. alison parker was just 24 years old and adam ward, only 27. a team at wdbj working together every morning for over a year. they were both virginia natives and former interns as well at the tv station. alison's boyfriend of nine months is an anchor at the station names chris tuhurst ande tweeted, we didn't share this publicly, but alison and i were very much in love. we just moved in together and i am numb. adam, meanwhile, had just gotten engaged and was planning a wedding with another wdbj employee. they were going to go off to

charlotte. she watched it unfold in the control room. an anchor at the station tweeted yerhis fiance's wedding dress had just arrived. here's part of how alison and adam were remembered yesterday. >> if i walked into the office in the morning, the first person i saw was either adam or alison, i got a smile on my face because they were always that way. i never saw them down. adam just would do any job that was asked of him. he was a lovable person, but he was really good at what he did. >> how about alison? 24 years old, what kind of reporter was she? >> she was a good reporter and she was going to be a great reporter. maybe a national news anchor. i don't know. but she had so much in front of her that was possible because she was quick and smart, and worked hard. and that's the kind of person you want. >> you know, everything about this story was so reflective of anybody in this business because

you know what the team feels like, especially if you're working on a morning shift, working with a photographer. you kind of become a little bit like finishing each other's sentences, brother and sister. >> it's total family, right? >> buddies in every way, having each other's back in every way. and newsrooms are just tight places. you know, as much as the griping goes on, there's sort of a lot of connecting on a way that you can't really explain to others because you cover stories together. you experience things together. >> you told me especially, not only locally in connecticut, and it's so amazing wherever we do events in connecticut. they don't talk about "morning joe." they talk about what you did in hartford for so long. you talk about the guys you worked with at cbs and the cameramen and the people in the truck. >> crazy uncle. >> you live with these people. >> you work on christmas. you work on -- >> exactly, on new year's eve, on christmas, on thanksgiving.

we all ate the same bad food. and that newsroom literally brings me back in time as well as i'm sure many of us. i could sort of even watching her do that interview, i remember exactly what that felt like and knew exactly what she was doing, trying to do in life. it was all good. >> it's also the vulnerability when you're on television and everybody knows you. they feel like they know you. they have an emotional connection to you. when you're doing a live shot, you're vulnerable. you're not going out with security. people can see where you are and know what you're doing exactly when you're doing it. >> in a small market, you feel like you know everyone, everyone knows you. you can become very naive to what could happen. >> yeah. >> they could not -- especially when you're focused like that, they could not see what was coming. >> in this day, of course, it was a disgruntled former employee. >> you see a lot of that, too,

in this business. usually, they move on. for a lot of different reasons why people don't get chosen that are not fair, and some that are. and in this case, it looked -- looking bat at it, it looked like he had a lot of problems. >> yeah. >> joining us on the ground in moneta, virginia, hallie jackson, and katie, who writes about the shooter in the daily beast. haille, how is the community responding to the shooting at this point? >> folks here seem to still be in shock. there's so much support for this news station. you're seeing that memorial outside wdbj grow really by the hour. people dropping flowers, people dropping virginia tech memorabilia, doing what they can to so that they are there for the station, they stand with wdbj. a scholarship fund has been set up at james madison for alison parker in honor of her that people can contribute to. you're seeing, for example,

people, reporters, from a sister station in missouri, come here for wdbj to report for them this morning. the station is back on the air. a remarkable job of reporting on their own tragedy yesterday, and they're out there again this morning. their morning newscast so far has been tributes to alison and adam, updates on the investigation, and we heard, again, from alison parker's boyfriend, who is an anchor at dbj. here's what chris hurst had to say. >> she was so natural with strangers and with the public that adored her. that it was effortless for her to be able to succeed in the job that this entailed with having to be out in the community. i didn't do nearly as well. she told me, it's part of the job. you have to get over it. part of that is going out and doing live reports from areas that might be unfamiliar to you, and times of day when there aren't many people out there. but no one ever thinks this would actually occur and yet it

has. and she was in a safe place. >> you know, the two of them fell in love at the station. you talk about adam ward and his fiance, who worked together at the station. anyone who has worked in the local news business in these kinds of markets knows that that happens. you become very close, very baubtded with people when you're in these situations on the road, in that live truck, just the two of you here at the crime scene, that live truck overnight was pulled away. you saw employees from wdbj come, pull the cable, drive the truck off. yet another step in this process. >> thank you. katie, i know you have been reporting on the shooter. he did a lot on his own personal media on this, as the shooting was carried out. we're not showing that. you can get that somewhere else, and if you need to, that's fine. that's not what we're doing. if you could tell us about the gunman, what you know, we'll show still pictures and appropriate video. katie. >> of course, as you know, this gunman has filed at least two

different lawsuits alleging racial discrimination and sexual harassment against news stations where he worked. what we're hearing from former co-workers is he really had a history of taking offense to many comments and also a history of not playing well with others. people from tallahassee tell us that photographers would ask not to be put on assignment with him because he was so difficult to work with. that's really backed up by his personnel file from virginia, where you have repeated complaints of him micromanaging videographers, being difficult to work with, beerating them in front of subjects and that seems to be his pattern. >> katie, thank you very much. we'll be looking for your piece in the daily beast. >> the piece is really revealing, a pretty remarkable piece. >> for the first time in months, we're hearing environment joe biden discuss a possible 2016 candidacy while promoting the iran deal in a call with

democratic national committee members. he said he's exploring, quote, whether or not there's the emotional feel at this time to run. >> if i were to anoubs to run, i have to be able to convince all of you that i would commit my whole heart and my whole soul. right now, both are pretty well banged up. we're trying to figure out that issue. that's the truth of the matter, and -- but believe me, i've given this a lot of thought, and dealing internally in the family about how we do this. >> this comes as yet another report details interest in a biden candidacy from the obama donor network. >> pretty incredible. >> in conversations with the "washington post" several top fund-raisers for the president's 2012 and 2008 campaigns say they're eager to talk 2016 with biden. one uncommitted donor said, quote, people will want to look him in the eye and see that in fact he has the fire in the belly because that was just

crystal clear when we all had that conversation with then-senator obama and i think people want to have that same sense with joe. >> okay, so mark halpern, an awful lot to talk about, but we have breaking news. polls. quinnipiac and some pretty incredible verbaits. >> lot of things in the poll. >> we'll be getting full screens up for you. >> hillary clinton leads nationally, but joe biden does better than she does slightly in head-to-heads with republicans. >> trump leads nationally. carson is second, which is something we're seeing consistently. and then hillary clinton's unfavorables are very high, but you and i, this struck us. >> listen to this. >> what's the first word you think of when you're asked the name of a presidential candidate? the leading answer for hillary clinton was liar. the leading answer for trump was arrogant, and the leading one

for jeb bush, bush. >> that may be a problem. >> it may be. it may not be. i mean, bush is also the last name of one of our most popular former presidents, bush 41, his father. the republican primary voters are aware of his record. i would rather be known as bush than a liar. >> or arrogant. these questions, though, what happens is they ask in these polls what -- it's the part of the polls that always scared me the most because they were the most instructive. they're called verbates. what's the first thing you think of when you think of joe scarborough. then you have to read the sentence. >> what were some of the worst? >> he works for msnbc. always the worst. not anymore because things have changed. thank you, andy. but that was the past. this is the now. thank you, very much. >> stop. >> but these are the most revealing. for hillary, that's bad news.

somehow, arrogant works in trump's favor, and for bush, i think bush says it all. >> better than the other two. >> certainly is. >> amid diving poll numbers, hillary clinton took a really different tone on her e-mail server at a campaign stop in iowa. take a look at this. >> i know people have raised questions about my e-mail use as secretary of state, and i understand why. i get it. so here's what i want the american people to know. my use of personal e-mail was allowed by the state department. it clearly wasn't the best choice. i should have used two e-mails. one personal, one for work. and i take responsibility for that decision. and i want to be as transparent as possible, which is why i turned over 55,000 pages. why i've turned over my server, why i have agreed to, in fact,

been asking to and have finally gotten a date to testify before a congressional committee in october. and i'm confident that this process will prove that i never sent nor received any e-mail that was marked classified. >> this is fascinating. i hate to tell the truth, but i'm going to tell the truth because you know how campaigns think and nobody else is going to say it on air. the timing of this was suspect at best. when they knew cable news networks were going to be 24/7 on a horrifying story, that they wouldn't help to look away from, this is when she dropped this. >> you know it was planned to be dropped this way. this is how campaigns think. this is how cynical campaigns think. i will say, one of the things she said is unbelievable. she said the state department allowed me to do this. time and time again, you talk to anyone in the obama administration, they will tell you, no, this wasn't allowed. we had a regulation

specifically. it would be like me saying, "morning joe" allowed me to come on set with my shirt untucked. it is this morning. i'm sorry. who's going to tell me to tuck in my shirt? right? the state department allowed me to do this. she was the secretary of state. she ignored barack obama and she ignored the obama administration. but to come out and parse and say the state department allowed me to do this is like me saying "morning joe" allows me to come on without wearing socks. >> i disagree with you about the timing. >> okay. >> i think what they were trying to do, and look, did she say anything substantively differently than the past? it's really about the tone. what she needed to do is talk about something besides the e-mails. what she was trying to do was show more contrition, less combativeness, less sarcasm, no joking, although she laughed at a joke about the e-mails, in a way to say to the press and the public, i get it. i'm not in denial, even though on the fact she showed no give.

>> i think this was clean-up from the joke a week ago. >> not just injoke but the press conference. >> even her most ardent supporters were troubled by that. let alone her critics. >> gene, you have been tough, saying that hillary needed to apologize. was this a good first step for you? >> well, it's an incremental step. mistakes were made. mistakes were made. i take responsibility for the fact that mistakes were made. i frankly don't think she's dealt with the issue that you raised about what was allowed and what wasn't. i think she does not at all deal with the issue of running it through a server in your house. a private server in your house as opposed to having a gmail account or something like that, and you know, the whole question of what if something was marked classified or considered classified or whatever, that's

very carefully parsed language. >> it is. and she said i never sent or received any e-mails marked classified. that's a ridiculous standard that by the way, they can keep saying it. petraeus got arrest ed for, charged for e-mails and information that didn't have classified marked on it. she knows that's not the standard. and everybody knows that's not the standard. >> game it out, legally and politically, let's say she came out and said, you know what, there were e-mails that traversed my system that had information that was classified. >> right. >> what happens then? >> i guess that's the question. well, i can tell you what's going to happen then. the same thing that would happen if she didn't say that. the fbi is going to continue their investigation. the justice department is going to be looking into it. and either they're going to be honest and transparent and do their job or they're going to let politics get in the way of their investigation. doesn't really matter what she says. i think that's political.

politically, gene, i think what you said in your column was pitch perfect for her, but that's not what the clintons do. >> i no, no. i suggested a couple short, declarative sentences. i was wrong, i'm sorry. and it didn't quite get there, but this was certainly a somewhat different tone from what we've heard before. >> right. >> so you know, we'll see. she created this situation, unfortunately, for her, and she's going to have to ride it out. >> still ahead on "morning joe," it's whiplash on wall street, with a wild rebound in yesterday's trading. cnbc's michelle carica cabrera. >> and up next, another must-see interview with donald trump. the question he says is just too personal to answer. >> you know, with bill karins, there are so many questions that are too personal. >> it's all. >> a lot of them, i don't know

if they would be felonies, but at least scattered misdemeanors if he answered a lot of the questions. >> just wear pants. bill. >> not asking too much. >> i'll keep it to myself, new update from the hurricane center. an interesting twist. the storm is a little further to the south. it was supposed to move west-northwest, but all of a sudden -- excuse me, east-northeastward. it took a dip to the south. that could have significant ramifications. now it may have more interaction with puerto rico and the dominican republic. 50-mile-per-hour winds, moving at a good clip, at about 16 miles to the west. here's the radar animation. very unorganized. this dip to the south could end up being very good news for florida and the southeast coastline. the new update from the hurricane center, by the way, is at 11:00 a.m. here's their latest forecast path. this was add 5:00 a.m. just north of puerto rico, 60-mile-per-hour winds. still having it being a threat to the southeast and florida, in

the cone of uncertainty possibly at a category one hurricane. our models have shifted to the east since yesterday. notice all these lines would represent the center points. still close enough for impact, but more of a brushing fact than a direct hit on florida. we're still four days out. now, we watch out for the carolinas and georgia as far as monday, tuesday, and maybe even into wednesday of next week. so the big stories is will erika survive the next two days? if it doesn't, less impact in the southeast. if she does, look out over the weekend. leaving a shot of d.c., the humidity was wiped out yesterday. what a beautiful day is under way there. enjoy lunch outdoors. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. ♪ (dorothy) toto, i've a feeling we're not in kansas anymore...

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joining us now from roanoke, general manager, jeff marks. also joining us, alison parker's boyfriend, chris hurst, who is also an anchor at the station. chris, wow. i feel like i think a lot of us feel like we know you and knew alison by just the jobs you had, the life you shared. and reading about you, and it looks like even on your late shift and her early shift, you had a way of communicating and you would ask her to text you when she got to work. can you tell us about that? >> thank you for asking me that question. yeah. it's tough to be in this business, right? we lost two of our own. two of us. and we get each other, and that's why adam and melissa were such a strong couple and will remain a strong couple, because they were in the business just like alison and i were in the

business. yeah, i worked until about midnight, would come home around midnight, and would stay up for her and would be there for her as she woke up and got started with her day. and yesterday morning, i made her her favorite scrambled eggs and a smoothie and packed her a lunch. i had never done that before for any woman, for anyone. but i wanted to do it for alison because i loved her so much. it took so much joy and something so minor as cutting strawberries for her to pack for a lunch. and you know, she was the most important thing in the world to me. so i did worry. i worried about her just like anybody would worry about the person that they love the most. and so we would text each other when we got to work, like so many other couples do. and she would have to go to work in the middle of the night, so of course, i wanted to hear from her and make sure she got to work safe.

last night, she texted me that she got to work safe and said good night, sweet boy, and that was the last i ever heard from her, but i saw it before i went to sleep. and then a few hours later, i woke up to calls telling me to come to the station. >> sounds like it was completely real between you two. planning on getting married? >> of course. we had only been together nine months, and i know that's not a long period of time, but we had a love that burned white hot. we met at the station christmas party last year. that's not when we met, but that's when, for some reason, something came over me and i saw her in the most beautiful golden sequinned dress. >> i remember. >> everyone remembers the way she looked that day. and something came over me. something in my head said, chris, you gotta do something to get her attention, to get her to be interested in you. and for some reason, she was interested back, and we had our

first date on new year's day. we went to a mexican restaurant. she loved mexican food. and we couldn't even eat any of our food, we were so nervous. we just talked the whole time. it was the start of nine wonderful months. we celebrated month anniversaries because we never got to have an anniversary. for the six month anniversary, she gave me the book that i have been sharing with people because it was personal to me and to her when she gave it to me. but now, i feel like the entire world and country wants to know her and know about how beautiful she was, and she called us the cutest newiest, prettiest couple ever. and i believe it. and we were going to get married. she died at her happiest. i can tell you that. i was talking with her parents last night, and we believe that. she celebrated her birthday a week ago on the 19th. she turned 24. for her boyfriend every year,

she went down to the river outside ashville, and went white water rafting and kayaking. she normally is a kayaker. she's really good at it. i don't know what the heck i'm doing on the water so we did white water rafting because it's easier. it was the best time i've ever had. she had a great time, too. and there's a part on the river where there's a gazebo and log cabins and it's beautiful. and it's tranquil. and she said to me, she turned back, we were in separate rafts and she turned back and said, chris, this is where i want to marry you. we moved in together at the beginning of august. with the hopes of saving money to buy a house and to buy a ring. and i gave her a ring that i bought for her birthday, just as a promise ring, and i told her it was a promise ring. and i looked yesterday in our apartment and i couldn't find it, and i know that she was wearing it yesterday when she died. >> you said it was the gold

dress. do you remember what you did to finally get her attention? was there a moment? what was it that you did? >> that's between us. and there have been many things that i have shared, but the early moments of our relationship were white hot and were wonderful. and that flame remained burning yesterday and remains burning in my heart even now. >> so, jeff marks, adam ward, just from looking at the video, seems like any of the great photographers i have worked with. just seemed like such a nice guy. do you know how melissa is doing? i know she was leaving the station. how are you all helping her? >> she had a rough day. and i haven't talked to her this morning. but i know other members of the staff are with her. she got the help she needed.

and she's a strong person, too, and she'll find her way through this. >> she is surrounded by people at the station, people she loves. this station, just like so many other workplaces but i think unique to newsrooms, has rallied around those who have lost today and yesterday. and she loved him with all of her heart. >> adam was just a quintessential great guy. the guy you would want to go to a ball game with. i played softball with him, chris played softball. we had a wonderful team, won the city championship. he kept them in stitches on the morning shift. when everybody was just a little tired coming to work, he would liven things up. there wasn't anything he wouldn't do for the community or for his fellow workers. >> but it is just, it's unconscionable to think because they were going to leave us. it was melissa's last day. she was moving on to bigger and better things as a producer, as we often do in this business.

if you want to move up, you can't stay in the same location. it was her last day at work. alison brought her a bottle of wine and balloons to say good-bye. >> well, chris hurst and jeff marks, you guys have the most amazing memories and thank you so much for sharing them with us. thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. ♪ the signs are everywhere. the lincoln summer invitation is on. get exceptional offers on the luxury small utility mkc, mkz sedan... ♪ the iconic navigator. and get a first look at the entirely new 2016 mid-size utility lincoln mkx.

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tennenbaums, was it? that was a look at to new action thriller, no escape. the film centers on an american businessman and his family as they settle into southeast asia, but they find themselves in the middle of a violent uprising. you never hear me say this. this guy is my hero. i love him. owen wilson. i have been a huge fan for a long time. what you and wes anderson have done through the years, just been unbelievable. it has absolutely nothing to do with this movie. this is about as far as -- and it's great that you're doing it, but also it's great that the movie producers said, you know, let's not get the action hero. let's get a real guy, huh? it works. >> well, thanks. thanks for having me. i think that they probably kind of played on that a little bit in the beginning because the scenes i'm doing with my family and kidding around with lake bell, who plays my wife, and the

two girls playing my daughters, that felt very familiar, sort of like okay, i have done these scenes quite a bit. and then all of a sudden, all hell breaks loose. it isn't so much that i'm kind of all of a sudden picking up a grenade launcher. that it's just kind of a father who's kind of put in this insane situation. and forced to react. >> there's a terrific part that pierce brosnan plays, keeps reappearing. >> you're trying to get your family to safety and who better to try to get to than pierce brosnan. sort of when you went to the screening, we went to dinner with pierce, and just walking down the street in new york with him, it's like you get a lot of people coming up. like this is a guy that projects strength and stability and stuff. >> did you do most of your own stunts? >> well, you know, from working with jackie chan, you do pick up a thing or two. so i did do some of my own

stunts. but you know, not all of them. not because i couldn't but i don't want to take food off the table of stunt people. >> generous. >> yeah. >> two young girls who play your daughters, pretty incredible to be that young and be in a movie that intense. what was it like for them on the set? >> it was great, those two actresses playing my daughters, because i think kind of getting yourself kind of worked up in some of these scenes the way you kind of have to do, yes, they're actresses playing it, but you look at their sort of faces and they're young and we are filming in asia, and it's easy to sort of get yourself kind of into that kind of intense kind of feel. i mean, it does seem like i have two little boys and there is something that the idea of your family being threatened that does kind of stir something kind

of primal in people. and get your adrenaline flowing. >> talk about the chemistry of it, where your family members, chemistry is really important. how do you -- how do you get into that? did you guys hang out a little bit before the movie? >> we did hang out a little bit before. there was a rehearsal period, but some of it with the chemistry, if the movie turns out well, you had great chemistry. if it doesn't do any business, ah, the chemistry was a little off. >> i could tell from the beginning there was no chemistry. >> right. with the girls, it was really just sort of, we visited this elephant sanctuary one day, and i think it was just sort of getting comfortable, kind of, with each other. >> i can't wait to see it. can we celebrate what's happening with the collaboration of you and wes anderson through the years? i kind of felt like starting

with bottle rocket, when he was finally really recognized, and really, you were room mates, right? >> roommates. >> it had to be pretty cool to see the rest of the world, the academy awards this last time going, yeah, this guy is one of the best. >> that's kind of what i feel. >> you guys have been there from the beginning. >> yeah, and there aren't too many people working in movies that you see -- i mean, that are so sort of kind of recognizably there, their vision, and that's the case with wes. when you see his movies, you kind of know it's a wes anderson movie. >> it's special. i mean, and the great thing, i have a son who is 27, and you know, we look. when is the next one coming? is owen in it. >> grand budapest was, you know, i think it kind of, funny, but also sort of breaks your heart in a way. >> it does.

a lot of people ask, of course, wes anderson fans come together and say which one is the best? which one is the best? you know, when he shows the flower at the end, i was like, wow. really nice. >> yeah. >> i'm sorry. we can talk about it forever. >> you're not sorry. >> i'm not really sorry. well, congratulations. >> thank you. >> "no escape" is in theaters now. owen wilson, thank you so much. "morning joe" coming up in an minute. shopping for a used car is so intimidating. i mean, you feel like you have to be this expert negotiator to get a fair deal. i hate to haggle. when you go to a restaurant you don't haggle over the chicken parmesan. why can't car-buying be like that? ♪ as long as people drive cars

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the volatility has been extreme and that's almost an understatement. the 1,000-point swings not as bad as monday, but continued huge swings in the dow. china moved huge overnight as well, right into the close. kind of flat throughout the session and then bang, like 300 points. huge gain right at the last minute. >> china gains -- china gained last night? that's great news, right? >> yeah, unless the chinese government is the one doing the stock buying. it's this crazy situation over there. they don't want to admit that they want to be a market economy. they keep saying they're going to try to make the moves to be a market economy, then they do deep government intervention into all these areas. it's confusing. >> it's not exactly a transparent market in china. no doubt about it. yesterday, we talked about mike barnicle about burger king's push to combine with mcdonald's for a whopper on international peace day or something like

that. did mcdonald's say they want to hold burger king's hand and teach the world to sing in perfect harmony? >> no kumbaya for the whopper yet. mcdonald's responded with a facebook post saying we thing it would be great to partner on something that would be really meaningful, almost dissing this wasn't a big enough thing to do to celebrate international peace day where they had combined employees and combined products. they said let's talk about something bigger. by the way, next time, you could call us instead of taking out full page ads in international newspapers. >> that is funny. i had a conversation like that with somebody that took out a full-page ad in the "new york times" to attack me. i said, you know what would save a lot of money? that is funny. michelle, thank you so much. i think it's going to be another crazy day on wall street. >> it is. >> let's hope we get another rally. thank you. we really appreciate you being

here. up next, bobby jindal joins us. going to talk presidential politics with him. going to talk about whether he's going to make the cut for thenential republican presidential debate, and also bobby and everybody in the gulf coast wants to talk about, ten-year anniversary of hurricane katrina coming up. i can tell you, i was there at the time when a lot of other people ran and hid. bobby jindal was out there as a congressman every night. one of the few guys that i could get on scarborough country early on to tell the truth about how bad the government was performing. for the people that he now represents as governor. we'll talk about that terrible time and where new orleans and the rest of the gulf coast goes in the future when we return.

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with us now from new orleans, republican presidential candidate for president and governor of louisiana, bobby jindal. we have a lot to talk to you about. let's start covering a tragedy in virginia, but you had a tragedy in louisiana last night. tell us about it. >> joe, sadly, we had two tragedies in tthis week. last night, a local police officer. earlier this we're, a straight trooper, both killed in the line of duty. last night, in response to an

incident of domestic violence. you know, joe, just a great reminder these are heroes. these law enforcement officials, they run towards danger, not away from it, so we can be safe. at times like this, we need to thank these men and women, these first responders, they do an incredible job. communities in mourning, family whose have to bury their loved ones. >> thoughts and prayers are certainly with you all and anchl involved in this. and you are absolutely right. it is a constant reminder that something that's been forgotten far too much over the last year, year and a half, that men and women in uniform are always putting their lives on the line. every single day. let's talk, bobby, about the presidential election, briefly, and then i want to get to hurricane katrina. how do you break through? people used to ask this question of you. now they're asking it of like everybody but donald trump. how do you break through to get on the big stage in the next

debate? >> well, joe, i tell you what we're doing in iowa. going to every county. there are 99 of them. we're building a movement there. what i see is that people on the ground are worried that the idea of america is slipping away. $18 trillion of debt, planned parenthood using our taxpayer dollars to dismember babies. a president created obamacare when we can't afford the government we have got. the president won't stand with israel. on issue after issue, people are really fearful that america is slipping away. they want someone who is going to fight for them. one of the things that sets me apart, joe, we have a lot of great talkers running for president. i'm a doer. i'm the only one who has cut the size of government. everybody talks about it. i'm the only one who has done it. i have the backbone, the band width, the experience to get us through this, to get america back. >> governor, it's nicolle wallace. i agree with you on the substance, but i think

republican primary voters are captivated by trump's message. why do you think that's the case? >> he's tapped into a real anger and frustration, not just with obama and the democrats, but with republican leaders as well. we got the senate last year. what's changed? they won't take on amnesty or obamacare. they make all these promises. what i hear, they want an end to the professional political class. they want term limits, leaders who will listen to them and fight for them. there's a lot of anger, with the republican leadership as well. i think he's tapped into that. >> mark. >> governor, you've got a pretty extraordinary spectacle coming to the city where you are. three american presidents, two former, one current, coming on three consecutive days. tell us about the activities of presidents obama, clinton, and bush. >> it's been ten years since that awful, awful year when hurricane katrina and rita hit our state. a couple observations. the people of louisiana are so incredibly resilient. so many things come at us, knock

us to our knees yet we still get up time and time again. secondly, i want to thak the people of america. we live in an incredibly compassionate country. the people in america love each other. i know that's weird to say in the middle of a political primary season, but people across this country from 49 states rushed to our aid. churches, school groups, civic groups. they didn't wait for government permission. they're still doing it today. this is an incredible country, a country where if there's a burning building, people rush in to rescue people. we're honored to have the presidents come down here, to mourn the loss of those who are not with us, but to celebrate the future of those building a better new orleans and a better louisiana. >> right after hurricane katrina, i remember it, and i said it before, and you remember, i was over there every single day, and you were the first public official to come out and use the words i will to

call bs on the government excuses. and it was remarkable that the people i saw on the ground when the government wasn't there from washington, d.c., were actually church groups, people of other faiths. it was extraordinary outpouring of love from across the country in support. >> absolutely. joe, at one point, they had people still on rooftops in the water. the government bureaucracy wasn't moving fast enough. you saw people with their boats. they just heard about this and showed up from everywhere. and at one point, the government was trying to tell them you had to have proof of insurance and registration, and locals, the sheriff, one sheriff told folks, look, come around the corner where the friends aren't there and go in the water and go rescue people. this is a great country. and you still see -- i tell you, companies, individuals, churches, they responded very, very quickly. i want to say thank you. and joe, i want to thank you personally and nbc. you followed this story closely, and you brought this story to the attention of the country. thank you for doing that.

>> we thank you, bobby. we'll be thinking about you and the people of that great city and great state over the next several days. thank you for being with us. greatly appreciate it. breaking news, i don't know if you saw this, but while we were talking to bobby, second quarter, the economy grew at 3.7%. i mean, those are like 2005 numbers. it's pretty incredible. >> two words, president clinton. >> certainly -- certainly president obama's supporters have to be feeling vindicated. 3.7 is a great number. >> that's a real number, it's not 2%. it's 3.7%. >> that's -- that's, you sustain that for a year or two, that's a whole new world. incredible numbers. i'm sure we're going to be talking about that a lot, not only for the rest of the day but also the week. coming up next, what if anything did we learn today? ne . can you spot the difference? no? you can't see that? alright, let's take a look. the one on the right just used 1% less fuel than the one on the left.

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welcome back. it's time to talk about what we learned today. obviously, for me, 3.7% growth in the second quarter. pretty incredible, nicolle. >> changes the conversation. i think hillary clinton will still be answering questions about her e-mail server. too bad for her. >> all the poll numbers in the world don't amount to the hill of beans good the growth rate continues to be 3.7%. >> exactly. it changes the debate. stick around. a lot to talk about. today, but "the rundown" starts right now.

and good morning to you. i'm jose diaz-balart. we begin "the rundown" with new developments in the shocking murder of two young journalists. gunned down on live tv in virginia. we've just learned that the only survivor, local chamber of commerce official vicky gardner has been upgraded to good condition this morning. tributes are pouring in for alison parker and adam ward as we learn new details about the killer, vester flanagan. this morning, roanoke station wdbj observed a moment of silence just after 6:45 this morning to remember their fallen colleagues. >> we are approaching a moment that none of us will forget. it was yesterday around this time that we went live to alison parker and adam ward. we are ending this moment with our continued thanks for support to all of you at home. our rock, our strength at this time. it hurts all of us so mu