not until after the silly season is over and that's at least two or three weeks from now. >> the silly season, which as you said, is probably two or three weeks away from being over. howard dean, thanks for your time tonight. i'm jonathan capehart. "politics nation" starts right now. >> right now on "politics nation" the manhunt for three alleged killers accused of gunning down an illinois police officer. also jeb bush hits trump and trump hits back as only the donald can. you got to see what he said. a dramatic showdown over marriage equality. and maria from "sesame street" stops by to talk about teaching kids and breaking down barriers. we start tonight with breaking news. the massive manhunt for three suspects in illinois tied to the deadly shooting of a police

officer. it's unfolding north of chicago in a town called fox lake. officials there just released the name of the officer killed. joseph gliniewicz. >> not only -- fox lake lose a family member, i lost a dear friend. our community is having a difficult tile. the coming days will be even more difficult to remember him as a police officer, a father and a member of our community. many residents in here knew him as g.i. joe. and remember him as someone deeply committed to fox lake, to the profession and his fellow officers. >> police say gliniewicz was chasing three suspects and called for backup. here's the call that went out to his fellow officers. >> officer safety, man with a gun. 128 honing in fox lake, wanted subjects are a male white and male black who fled from scene taking the officer's side arm and pepper splay.

shots were fired. >> but when help arrived they found gliniewicz had been shot and killed. today investigators also released a call for help from the officers on the scene. >> i'm here with lieutenant schimler. send everybody you possibly can. officer is down. >> late today parents were allowed to pick up their kids from schools that had been locked down for hours. msnbc's adam reiss is reporting live from the scene at fox lake. what does this search look like right now. >> reporter: reverend, good evening. right now we're seeing choppers in the air. at one point there were four choppers in the air about an hour ago. we're seeing members of all kinds of law enforcement agencies on the ground. local, state and federal, right on this main road here. typically you might see a search of cars, but we haven't seen

that. we haven't seen a car-to-car search. there are k-9 searches around the area. this is rural area between chicago and milwaukee. so there are k-9s out. these three guys are arm and dangerous. they're using all types of resources. a number of different law enforcement agencies just to recap, to bring the audience up to date, it was around 8:00 a.m. this morning. so we're now ten hours into this massive manhunt. officer gliniewicz was on a regular routine patrol. he saw something suspicious, three men. he decided to pursue it. he radioed in to dispatch and that's when they lost contact, when they finally did find him in a marshy area, he had been shot and he was missing his gun and his gun belt. he had lost some of his gear. so the massive manhunt has been going on for about ten hours now, reverend and they're using all resources at their disposal to find these three guys before night fall comes. >> thank you for yr reporting

tonight. i want to turn now to former nypd officers mark claxton and eugene o'donnell and to dan moran from the chicago tribune. how are people in the area reacting to this massive manhunt? do they seem nervous? give me the mood of the people there. >> this is a very tense. fox lake is a community of about 10,000 people. it's really more of a suburb of chicago. it's at the end of one of the train lines that goes directly to downtown chicago. those trains have been delayed today. the schools were on hard lockdown. just gridlock right now in downtown fox lake. people trying to pick up their kids. i live about 10, 12 miles away. my kids were on a soft lockdown, all the schools around lake county, my kids are on their way home right now.

but there was just people lining -- route 12 is kind of a highway through lake county. as you are coming into fox lake, it becomes the business district and it slows down. that's where the shooting took place. >> in the business district is where the shooting took place? >> right. it's a four-lane road, kind of slows down. today you had people lining the business district just kind of taking in the scene. there was a woman carrying a sign saying blue lives matter. comes to find out that her son was one of the local high school explorer posts who worked with that officer. just a lot of emotion, very tiny community. one thing i just wanted to add is lake county straight north of chicago, you know, very big mix of -- reverend, you covered a story years ago, you were in north chicago. >> right. >> the north chicago waukegan

area to give your speech. so you know there are cities along the shoreline and they're very well populated and very much american cities. you get out to the western part of the county, it's a lot quieter, but we did have the last shooting of officers that we had that we can recall was 1991. and those officers, they did pull through. but that was also farther south in the lake area. this just doesn't happen very often. and just a very sad day, very tense day for everyone involved. >> no, it's horrific. and this officer didn't pull through. it's unbelievable. you know, mark, we don't have much information about the suspects, how does the unknown affect how police search in these situations? >> well, it has a treatment impact on the ongoing investigation and, in this case, the manhunt as it moves forward. i mean, the unknown is what requires additional resources

and manpower and technology. and you throw everything out there. let's be clear about something. this is really a clear example of the inherent danger in police work. i think most people understand and respect that. and it's often been said you can never really pay a police officer, a professional police officer what he deserves because there are times when, unfortunately -- and it's like this scenario displays, there are times when the police officer will make the ultimate sacrifice in defense of a community or individuals such as themselves. the community of law enforcement and larger community are all really shellshocked at this point and clearly disturbed and really looking for just in this particular case, i'm sure. >> now, eugene, the search is near water and a major city. there are a lot of options to run. how do police cover all their bases? >> it's not automatically done

easily. it has to be done with a lot of different agencies involved and coordination is a big issue and clearly the terrain is a big challenge. not just the manhunt that's important to say that it's ultimately going to be identifying these guys individually. you have to make three criminal cases for murder and there has to be pinned down also and can't be overlooked. you also have to anticipate there may be defenses that they put -- juxtapose, put in the middle of the case like self-defense, like there's some other motive for this. so the police in addition to the immediate need to secure the community, bring these people to justice, they're thinking how do we secure the evidence, do we need search warrants, are there other people involved? and ultimately 18 months from now, whenever this case ends up in front of a jury, how do we assemble a case that will definitively and categorically pinpoint each of these individuals and defeat the possibility of an illegitimate

claim as some sort of justification from the defenders. >> the gun and pepper spray was taken. how are officers preparing for the weapons the suspects may have with them? >> well, first off, the responding officers and the subsequent officers involved in this manhunt, if you will, are just based on the fact that there's a missing firearm or pepper spray or other equipment that's missing that there's been a struggle. you have individuals that are more than willing to engage in a struggle and even use deadly physical force. you can approach this situation and deal with and address and approach those individuals with that understanding. you have to maintain and establish clear tactical guidelines. you have to remind everyone even in the midst of moeksal trauma and to be involved and engaged in this investigation, they have to maintain their tactics and be aware of the obvious threat

because we want to avoid any additional tragedies, bring this individual to justice and prepare this case, as eugene said, make sure we have a rock solid case to provide no out for individuals who would murder a police officer. >> we're getting close to dark. how do police continue their search through the night? >> there will be a lot of command posts, a lot of integration of the different units. they're trying to establish a perimeter. where can these guys have gotten to? they've gotten technologies to help them work at night. but night is not ideal that you can encounter one or more of these individuals that are armed. and differences in how if you locate them you approach them. the most dangerous part of this is the final approach. firearms, discipline has to be maintained so that officers don't unnecessarily shoot any of these people or shoot each other. one thing law enforcement will try to do hopefully is open up a communication to the families of these people that these guys should surrender.

this is the option. the police union just said this. enough bloud has been shed here. let me guys come now and surrender and face justice in a court of law. law enforcement should encourage the family members and friends of these individuals if they know who they are to do everything they can to get these guys to surrender and to go before the bar of justice. >> certainly we give our condolences and prayers to the family of this officer and we encourage people to come forward if they know anything and certainly to come forward if they are in possession of any information. there is nothing more horrific and despicable than to keep seeing these daily shootings and killings. and police officers that are there for all of us. don't let people demagogue you. those of us that question police procedures and behavior want to see police reform. we do not in any way, shape or form identify with this vicious

inhuman act. it is the exact opposite of a society we all are trying to build. marq claxton, eugene o'donnell and dan moran, thank you for your time tonight. still ahead, jeb bush hits back after weeks of being donald trump's punching bag. plus what's next for the county clerk trying to defy the supreme court over gay marriage? >> why are you not issuing marriage licenses today? >> because i'm not. >> why? under what authority? >> under god's authority. >> and why fans of actor edris el ba are furious about comments why he shouldn't play james bond. no student's ever photographed mean ms. colegrove. but your dell 2-in-1 laptop gives you the spunk for an unsanctioned selfie. that's that new gear feeling. all laptops on sale, save $230 on this dell 2-in-1.

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>> partial-birth abortion? >> i'm very pro choice. hillary clinton i think is a terrific woman. you'd be shocked if i said that in many cases i probably identify more as a democrat. >> bush followed that up with his strongest public statement yet against trump. while speaking to reporters in spanish today in miami. sounds like donald trump might be getting under bush's skin. trump's already responded tweeting, quote, yet another weak hit by a candidate with a failing campaign. will jeb sink as low in the polls as others who have gone after me? later he posted this video.

>> do you recognize the commitment of someone who has devoted her life to public service. i want to say thank you to both secretary clinton and to president clinton. >> what does that make hillary clinton to the bush family? >> my sister-in-law. >> joining me now are jonathan alter and cornell belcher. thank you for being here. >> nice to be here, rev. >> jonathan, jeb bush looked visibly irritated with trump today. do you think trump's attacks are getting to him? >> well, i think it was authentic irritation. that's what we like to see in politics is when people are authentic. and i think he's decided that, even though you're never supposed to get into a pissing match with a skunk, he doesn't have any choice. he has to try to take trump down even though the beneficiary will likely be other candidates. >> well, cornell, just for the

record, that was jonathan referring to a skunk, not me, when the right wing starts their blogging. >> okay. >> bush, cornell, is going after trump's record saying he's not a real conservative, but will trump supporters even care? >> i think they won't. when you look at the new poll of iowa caucus goers and 41% of them said they're not looking for a candidate who's actually detailed on the policy or only 41% are looking for a candidate that's detailed on the policy, the vast majority are not. i got to say this, rev, in sports they say this is why we play the game. you go back two months ago and on paper there was no way donald trump was going to be leading the pack. certainly no way that you were going to get the establishment favorite like jeb bush taking, spending the time and effort to actually attack trump. it means something in politics when you have the establishment,

the supposed front-runner now attacking someone who is the actual front-runner when they had planned to ignore him for the most part. he's made them pay attention right now. i got to be like jonathan on this. when you look at the iowa poll, the other thing interesting about the iowa poll is that a majority, two-thirds were looking for someone outside of politics. i'm not so sure that jeb bush is going to, in fact, benefit by taking on trump if he knocks trump down a couple points. i've got a feeling those points will go to someone else, not bush. >> jonathan, you know bush made a real point to separate himself today from trump on immigration. listen to this. >> i think birth-right citizenship is embedded in the 14th amendment. i don't think we're going to round up 11 million people and put them in camps to deport them, breaking up families. i'm for a rational approach to immigration. >> now, it may be more rational, jonathan, and practical, but

does the right care? >> i don't think the right does particularly care, but the thing is jeb bush wants to be president, not just the republican nominee. and i think he understands that if he doesn't reach out to latinos -- that's why you saw him speaking in spanish -- he has no chance of being president. if the republican candidate doesn't get 35, 40, even 45% of the vote, of the latino vote, he or she cannot be elected president. so bush is trying to play a longer game here and start to try to repair some of the damage that's been done to the relationship between latinos and the republican party. it's a bit of a long shot at this point because trump has been so effective in riling up the base, riling up the kind of ugly wing of the gop that for -- you know, for bush to fight back does look a little bit, as trump

says, a little low energy because he's not, you know, playing at the same decibel level as trump is. >> but cornell, in order to win for president, you first have to win the nomination. and the problem i think is that he's getting beyond the nomination process playing to a general election base. and you know, you're the pollster and the strategist, you will not be in the big game if you do not win the nomination. and you don't need 35% of african-american, latinos or anyone to win the nomination. >> no. it is really interesting -- >> not the republican nomination. >> no, it's really interesting, the long game, i agree with jonathan, the long game that jeb is playing here because i would argue that it's hurting him in the republican primary. look, think about what you just saw. you saw jeb speaking spanish. there is a big, you know, english-only movement that is based in the republican party. so every time you see jeb doing

things like that that probably help -- that will ultimately help the republicans in the general election, it undermines him in the base of the republican party. he is stuck between a rock and a hard place right now. >> you know, jonathan, for trump it seems like it's getting personal. you know -- >> getting personal? >> -- told "the washington post," quote, he's very smart, he's driven and he has two goals -- one to be elected president and two to have jeb not be president. if trump goes down, will he try to take jeb bush with him, you think, jonathan? >> no question about it. which is why i believe that john kasich, even though most people have never heard of him, is the favorite to be the republican nominee and would be a strong competitor to hillary clinton or another democrat in the general election. because often what happens, rev, in these campaigns is if the person who tries to take down the front-runner ends up hurting

themselves, too, especially if they succeed in taking down the front-runner, then the front-runner is angry about it, goes after them. meanwhile, somebody from back of the pack comes up. and right now it looks like, you know, that's a ben carson or carly feeiorinfiorina, they're beneficiary of many of the voters then peeling off of trump. but when they get out into these big states where there are more mainstream republicans voting in the primaries next year, states like ohio, where kasich is from or pennsylvania or illinois, those states have more mainstream republicans. they're more likely to vote for a mainstream guy and that's more likely to be kasich rather than jeb bush. >> he says kasich. what do you say, who do you think could be the one that could break through the middle, cornell, and in the middle of all this fray, try to make a dash for the front of the line? >> i think i'm going to use a saying one of my old meante eme

say, you're making too much sense. >> that's true. >> you do have a base in the republican party that is angry beyond reason about a number of things. and you see mainstream republican candidates and they can't anyone but the mainstream republican candidates. kasich -- look, i'm a democrat, kasich would probably be as strong a general election candidate as you possibly can get. but can he win the republican primary right now? >> maybe not, maybe not. >> that's the question. >> i think that's a very good question. >> that is going to be the question that we're going to be watching. jonathan alter, cornell belcher, thank you both for your time tonight. >> thank you. >> thanks, rev. ahead, controversy in kentucky. a kentucky clerk -- county clerk there refused to issue a same-sex marriage license defying the supreme court. plus the gop reads hillary clinton's e-mails searching for a smoking gun. and winds up in tonight's got

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it is a heaven or hell decision. this morning, it all boiled over when several same-sex couples attempted yet again to obtain marriage licenses. davis said she was acting under, quote, god's authority. >> the supreme court denies your stay. >> we are not issuing any licenses today. >> based on what? why are you not issuing marriage licenses today? >> because i'm not. >> why? >> under what authority are you not? >> under god's authority. >> did god tell you to do this? did god tell you to treat us like this? >> i've asked you all to leave. you're interrupting -- >> you can call the police if you want us to leave. >> i'm asking you to leave. >> i'm not leaving. >> you all are welcome to stay, just back away from the counter. >> no. >> just push back from the counter. >> the couple shown arguing with davis in the clip says this is

personal. >> we can go to another county and get a license, we can do that. we can't go to another county and solve the discrimination problem that's going on in our courthouse here. this needs to happen here and this needs to end here. >> joining me now is veteran prosecutor paul henderson and ayesha moody mills, of the gay, lesbian victory fund and institute. thank you both for being here. >> thanks for having me, rev. >> glad to be here. >> paul, the clerk now has a hearing and could face charges on civil contempt. when does a claim to be acting under god's authority fit in? >> it doesn't fit in at all. it is no defense. the court has already evaluated all of her arguments and ruled. there is a separation of church and state, and she does not own the right to assert her authority by interpreting what she believes to be what god's will is. what i think is really interesting on this is she's

asserting trying to fight for traditional marriages, and this is her third or fourth marriage herself. so this has already been determined as wrong by the court and now she is facing legal issues because of her decisions, because of her actions and because of her ignorance. so that's exactly why she's being called right back into the court, and she's going to be on the wrong side of history and the law very soon. >> we just played a video of that heated confrontation in the clerk's office. are you surprised we're seeing something like this happen? >> no, i'm not surprised at all. so here's the thing, rev, if you look at history, you look at supreme court rulings, no supreme court rules has ever truly set a community free, quote, unquote, nor has a supreme court ruling stomped out the ignorance and the hate and the vitriol that is leading this woman to deny someone their basic rights of having a marriage license. i'm not surprised that we're seeing this at all. what we do know to be true, and

paul is right, is that she's the one who is breaking the law at this point in time. so i think that the licenses will be issued in short order. but what this reminds us is that this is about the politics, and this is where politics are really, really, really critical. this woman won her election to have this office by 23 votes in the primary. 23. so i would love it if we're able to run an lgbt candidate against her to get rid of her because she's disserving the community. and the only way to get rid of her is if we get people out to the polls to haul her out. >> the clerk's attorney says there's an easy fix to this issue. here's what he told nbc news today. >> the governor could issue an executive order right away and remove the clerk's names from these licenses. the legislature could also -- and i think there are some that are willing to do this -- centralize everything in the state capital so that the clerks are not even involved in these

issues. there's no need to have this tension that takes place here. kim is only asking for her rights of conscience to be accommodated. >> would this be a legitimate way to address the controversy, paul? >> absolutely not. and that's exactly why she's facing contempt charges right now in the federal court and then even beyond those charges there's a number of different things that are being evaluated in this situation beyond what her attorney is suggesting that he wants people to do based on her misconduct. we have charges that are being evaluated at the attorney general's office that carries beyond just a fine, actual custody time. this is actually the reason why she can't just be outright fired or removed immediately because she is an elected official. one of the things that i think is really interesting in this case are the civil suits that have been filed against her

because what she's going to try and use as a defense is that she is acting in her role as an elected official so she's immune, but because she's acting outside of the scope of a court order and her duties, she may not be immune. and i don't think that she will be a good symbol for the conservative cause or the traditional marriage cause -- >> talking about the symbol, some gop presidential contenders actually encourage clerks not issue marriage licenses if they don't want to. watch this. >> if they have a conscientious objection, i think they should be excused. i'm not sure that every governor and every attorney general should just say it's the law of the land because there's no enabling legislation. >> do you think they should be allowed to opt out of issuing licenses? >> absolutely. ours is a country that was built by men and women fleeing religious oppression. >> will we see more clerks refusing to grant licenses, to

same-sex couples? >> i don't think that we're going to see any more clerks who are doing this. look, every time someone has used religious objection to violate someone else's constitutional right to push their own religion off on others as if that was acceptable, we've seen that shot down by the courts, and it's just not something that's going to persist. it's never persisted in this country. so i don't think we'll see more of this. i do want to highlight the irony of this conversation getting into the politics of it. this woman ran as a democrat. she ran as a democrat. you see her aligning with these republican, quote, unquote, ideals which just shows us that some of this rhetoric is really outside of a partisan scope. i think that it is the minority of voices in america who believe in the values that she believes in and believes that religion and christianity is about hate and about excluding people. and so i'm excited to see that her political philosophy is actually going to become and is becoming the minority. >> let me say this. i have have been a preacher all

my life, and i believe deep down in my heart what i preach. but i also do not believe i have the right to impose my belief on others. we live in a democracy not a theocracy. i believe people should exercise their conscience. i've done it. i've been arrested for it in civil rights demonstrations. done 90 days in jail, 30 days in jail because of what i believe. but i do not believe you can take a public office and decide that god told you something and you defy the law. it is despicable to be demagogic when you're dealing with people's rights even if they're contrary to your belief. people have the right to disagree with our belief. and you can't fight for anyone's civil rights unless you're going to fight for everyone's civil rights. paul henderson and ayesha-moodie mills. >> still ahead, president obama's alaskan adventure. what he's doing to push his

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kids have asked for more than 45 years. how to get to sesame street. one of the most familiar faces on the street for much of that time is maria. played by actress sonya manzano. she got to "sesame street" when she was just 21 years old ♪ well who are the people in your neighborhood ♪ ♪ the people that you meet each day ♪ >> say, i got a riddle for you. what has four wheels and flags. >> i know that old joke. what has four wheels and flies is a garbage truck. >> that's right. but what else? >> i don't know. >> me, i'm an airport pilot. i fly planes. >> but you don't have four wheels. >> i just said that to make it hard. >> one of the first latinas to appear on national tv, manzano was a role model for millions of

kids who saw her as someone who looked like them. and understood their culture. ♪ hello not good-bye ♪ why everywhere you go ♪ the girls say hola ♪ because hola means hello >> she taught kids the importance of reading and writing, but she also helped teach kids the importance of friendship and love. >> grover, you forgot something. >> what? something else? >> yeah. >> what's that? >> oh, it can kiss. oh, maria. >> recently sonya manzano announced she was retiring from "sesame street." now she's written a book about her childhood and gree growing . joining me now is sonya manzano,

author of "becoming maria, love and chaos in the south bronx." and the actress best known and loved by millions as maria on "sesame street." thank you so much for being here. >> oh, sure. >> i'm a big fan. >> thank you, thank you. >> we'll talk about the book in a minute. i really do want to talk about it, but i have to ask you about your time on "sesame street." you recently announced that after 44 years you are retiring and won't return to the show in the fall. why did you choose to do this now? >> well, i had been thinking about it for several years. we started shooting 160 shows a season, now we're down to 23. and the cast got bigger. so as the cast and muppets got bigger, less shows were being produced. i had all of this creative energy, and i needed someplace to put it. i decided to put it into writing. >> you were one of the first latina actresses to be on

television every day. >> yes. >> what did it mean to you to be such a groundbreaker in that regard? >> well, it's been remarkable. i was born in the '50s and raised in the south bronx. at that time there were no people of color on television. there were no asian people, there were no native american people. i would spend my day watching television wondering what part of society i was going to fit into, what part i was going to play in a society that didn't see me. i was really invisible. when i saw susan and gordon on "sesame street" in '69, i flipped. this beautiful african-american couple talking to me from a street that looked very much like a lot of the neighborhoods that i lived in. i grew up to be what i needed to see myself when i was a kid growing up in the bronx and not seeing any people of color on television. >> "sesame street" transformed the way americans saw one another. you said one of the show's missions in the early days, in

addition to educating underprivileged children, was to end racism. how big of an impact do you think it had? >> not as much as we had hoped, obviously. we thought we were going to close the education gap, end racism. it reflected the times. it was 1969. it was an idealistic time. even president johnson was going to create the great society. >> right. war on poverty. >> war on poverty, all that kind of stuff. so we thought we were going to kind of eradicate everything. when you're young, you think you can fix everything. >> i want to play you a clip from one of your favorite moments from the show. listen to this. >> yeah. >> it's not easy being green. having to live each day the color of the beans when i think it would be so much easier being

red or yellow or gold or -- ♪ ♪ something much more colorful like that ♪ >> why is this one of your favorite clips from your 44 years on the show? >> oh, my gosh, i'd getting emotional just seeing it here in your stoudiudio. this is a time when children's television could be more nuanced. it wasn't data driven. when i walked into the studio and there's lena horne singing "it's not easy being green" and i'm thinking is she singing about what i think she's singing about? it depends who you were and how old you were. i was proud to be part of the show then. >> let's talk about the book. you talk very honestly and openly about your childhood including stories about your father's alcoholism and physical abuse. what moved you to write this

now? >> well, i think that when you get older, you want to reflect on what your life was. and the art of writing allows you, as i'm sure you know, when you write, to put things outside of you so you can analyze them and look at them and look at them from different perspectives. maybe understand my family more and the dreadful situation and poverty that they came from, to make them act in such an inappropriate manner. it gives you a little perspective when you write, i guess a lot of perspective. there's got to be something good about getting older, and that's i think one of the things that's good about it. >> well, i think it gives you a different view. you look at life different. >> yes. >> and you want to help others. >> yes. >> it's a great book. >> thank you. >> you share a lot of things that really, really are touching. and i guess it takes time and security in yourself to embrace

yourself -- >> yes. >> -- to be able to say things that you just don't say when you're young. >> and you're so angry when you're young about it, you know. >> you're angry and you don't know if you want to put all that out there, but if you survive a lot of things you say, hey, i got through it. i can tell it all. >> right, right. >> sonia, thank you for coming. sonia manzano. the book is called "becoming maria, love and chaos in the south bronx." a must read. still ahead, president obama is literally going where no other president has gone. but first, idris elba as james bond? wait until you hear what the author of the latest 007 book is saying about the actor that is blowing up on the internet.

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