from. >> i think they could only make trump look more serious at this point. you can can't do a caricature of a caricature. >> dean obser, thank you. have a great holiday weekend. >> i'm jonathan capehart. tonight hillary clinton discusses the e-mail controversy in a wide-ranging interview with andrea mitchell. we'll have the highlights. plus the wait to wed is over in kentucky as kim davis stands her ground from behind bars. and it is force friday, what is behind the hype over the new star wars toys? be first we begin with the exclusive interview with hillary clinton. the wide-ranging interview

touched on everything from donald trump clinton's days as first lady. but a large portion focused on the controversy surrounding clinton's private e-mail server. >> you said recently that using your personal e-mail while secretary of state was not the best choice and that you take responsibility. are you sorry? >> well i certainly wish that i had made a different choice. and i know why the american people have questions about it. and i wanted to make sure that i answer those questions, starting with the fact that my personal e-mail use was fully above board. it was allowed by the state department, as they have confirmed. but in retrospect it certainly would have been better. i take responsibility. i should have had two account, one for personal and one for work related and i've been as transparent as i could asking that all 55,000 pages be released to the public, turning

over my server, looking for opportunities to testify before congress. i've offered for nearly a year. finally the committee will give me a chance to testify in public at the -- towards the end of october. and i'm going to answer thesis questions and i'm also going to continue to talk about what's important to the people that i meet about this presidential campaign. because it really is critical that we renew the basic bargain of america so that if you work hard, you do your part you can get ahead and have equal pay for equal work and all the other issues on people's minds. >> this has created even what your own campaign manager said. head winds. a lot of noise out there. let's get through some of it. first o are you sorry? do you want toe apologize to the american people for the choice you made? >> well it wasn't the best choice. and i certainly have said that and i will continue to say that as i've always said many times

it was allowed and it was fully above board. the people in the government knew i was using that personal account. but it would have been better if i had had two separate accounts to begin with. and certainly i'm doing all i can now to try to be as transparent about what i did have on my work-related e-mails. and i think, you know, they will be coming out. i wish tarp little faster. it's frustrating it is taking so long but there has to be a process followed. >> since 1995 the state department foreign affairs manual said that all e-mails, all records had to be preserved. in 2005 the manual was updated to say, quote, sensitive but unclassified information should not be transmitted through personal e-mail accounts. eight months after you took office the u.s. code of federal regulations was updated to say that agencies that allow employees to send and receive

official electronic e-mail messages using a system not operated by the agency must ensure federal records sent or received on such existing systems are preserved by the appropriate agency system. so there were a lot of advisories. no laws but a lot of advisories against. you say -- just now you said people in the government knew you used personal e-mail. the recent e-mails that were released indicated that the help desk at the state department didn't know. >> the people i was e-mailing on the dot gov system certainly knew and they would respond to me. but i do think this is a fair question. it was allowed and i chose to do it, as others who had been in high profile positions have as

well. confirmed that the vast majority of everything i was saying to the them would be captured and i have taken the extra step and gone through all of the e-mails i've had from those four years in the state department to make sure that anything, even being overly inclusive that would possibly be work related was made available to the state department. >> mitchell also asked about the public perception surrounding the story. >> does it concern you that people don't trust your answers on this? there was a quinnipiac and i know this poll was everyone, republicans and democrats. but the first words that came to mind when asked about you were liar, untrustworthy. crooked. how does that make you feel? >> well it certainly doesn't make me feel good. but i am very confident that by the time this campaign has run

its course, people will know that what i've been saying is accurate. and i will have a chance to do that in front of the entire world. with the congressional committee hearing. they may disagree, as i now disagree with the choice that i made. but the facts that i have put forth have remained the same. but more importantly the american people will know that they can trust me when it comes to standing up for them and fighting for them and, you know, being their advocate and their champion and i think that is what this election when it is all said and done has to be about. who has the vision for america who will be there every single day trying to renew the basic bargain that americans should expect from our country who are can get results, who has the tenacity and the skill to do that. and i'm very confident that the american people will believe that i do and will support me for president. >> we only played a small portion of andrea mitchell's exclusive interview with hillary

clinton but you can watch the entire interview tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern on the rachel maddow show. for more let me bring in my panel. michael, i have to start with you. >> please. >> how do you think -- >> please. >> how do you think hillary clinton handled the e-mail controversy? >> oh my goshes. so it was clear she took a chill pill to do this interview. you didn't are the triple grittings of the teeth and the snarkky responses. but i'm sitting here listening to the clips you played and andrea mitchell just drilled down on the point that we have regulations that clearly state it. and yet the next words out of her mouth was it's allowed. it was not allowed. what you did was not allowed any legislation and the

administration made it clear it wasn't allowed coming into the office. not once but twice she was asked a direct question, would you apologize? would you say you're sorry? and she could not say just yeah i'm sorry. sorry this happened. sorry i created this confusion for the american people. i'm sorry i created this confusion towards my campaign. none of that was there. and so i walk away from this, the same way i walked into it, not believing a word she said. >> interesting. beth, listening to the interview and chairman steele's point, there are two things that jumped out at me. just in the clips we showed. there are other things she says in the interview and people can watch it on rachel's show at 9:00. she says i wish i made a different choice. it wasn't the best choice. does that feed into the perception that andrea asked about what is the first word that comes to mind? for hillary clinton they say

liar. how do those comments feed into that. >> what struck me is sort of its this passive voice. it was not the right choice as opposed to i made the right choice. as though a choice were imposed upon her. so there is a still a lot of fishiness around this. but she was much better in this interview than in past interviews. she was defensive in previous interviews. she was defensive and snarkky and dismissive of questions and the first time she refuses to and hand over the serve and now she acknowledges these are fair questions and she just can't bat them away. there is definitely a big tonal shift. >> as steele said it looks like she took a chill pill. roughly a third of the interview was spent on the e-mail controversy. is this story taking over her

campaign? >> i think the question is how the media is treated this particular story and in part they are sort of allowing it to take over the campaign. and that is my concern is the exthernt allowing themselves to be complicit and the victims of the right wing chicanery. the scandal is originating from political opponenting and as she acknowledged during the interview it is perfectly legitimate to ask questions about this and discuss it but the energy the media has put on this and -- suggested there was wrong doing here or criminality. that is not the case and the "new york times" has gotten burned by that notion two times in recent months because they have gone a little too far in making that statement. the bottom line was whether or not she kept and preserved everything for records purposes. that's clearly been the case. no allegation or suggestion or argument otherwise. beyond that. >> go ahead michael. >> yeah, look. regulations are regulations.

i've worked in the federal government. i don't know if you have or not. but a regulation is a regulation. the as rule. it tells you what you can and cannot do. and andrea mitchell explicitly laid out the regulations going back to 2005 and how they were updated. so there is a clear pattern here that tells you what you can't and can do. she was outside of that clearly. >> and in you notice when andrea mitchell was walking through sequence and timing of each of the regulations by which you were citing and i could use my legal background in order to note this is that regulations get updated which is why she was citing the sequence in time there. and -- there's a big difference between electronic communications in the late 90s and in the late 20000s and because that had actually changed and the policy at specific issue here was in the epivent you were using personal e-mail it was preserved and that's clearly been the case but ultimately the bottom line is there hasn't been any allegation of wrong -- any wrong doing or

anything illegal. and yet even during this conversation we hear instances where she didn't apologize enough and that's a been the framework across the board. >> okay. clearly i want to get out of the weeds here on the regulations and things. and talk about the fact that she said in the interview beth that she can overcome this. we saw cheryl mills one of her senior aids testify yesterday for many many hours on the hill. other aids will be going up on the hill to testify. the secretariry goes up i believe october 22nd where she will testify. how easy is it to overcome this. >> in the interview she said she was really looking forward to that testimony. and on the one hand you want to laugh and say sure. but it is going to be probably an exhaustive hearing. everybody will hear just basically everything there is to

be said about and frankly republicans in these situations tend to over reach and go tofr making hillary clintonable look much to sympathetic. i think that is the she's hoping to look really strong and republicans over reach and everybody's sympathy reverts to her. >> has this story moved so far that no matter what secretary clint says she's never going to satisfy most of the people who are listening to her? >> i think politically the answer is yes. but this ultimately boils down to what this administration does with its fbi and its investigation. that is the crux of the issue in terms of legality and wrong doing. >> i think ultimately she's been able to weather these partisan attacks for a long time and i think there is very weak ground to stand on. i think it will be fine. >> i don't think it is a partisan attack. i think it is a legitimate issue but i do think she's going to get passed it because she's very

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. on the front of islamist terrorism i'm looking for the next commander in chief to know who these players. do you know them yet. >> you know i think honestly by the time we get to office they will all be changed.

they will all be gone. i knew you are going to ask me things like this. because number one i will hopefully find general doug mcarthur in the pack. i will find whoever it is i find. but they are gotcha questions. >> i don't believe in gotcha questions i'm not -- >> well that is one. if you are asking about who is running this, this, this. that is not -- i will be so good at the military your head will spin. >> he'll be one of the moderators in the september 16th debate on cnn. earlier today trump lashed out at hewitt calling him a third rate radio announcer. hewitt also interviewed candidate carly fiorina and walked her through the same set of questions and asked if she thought they were gotcha questions. >> i don't think they are at all. i think this is at the heart. the questions you're asking are

at the heart of the threat that we face, that our ally israel faces, that the world faces. it is critically important that america lead again in the world. it is critically important that we have a leader in the white house who understands the world and who's in it and how it works. >> we should point out our last republican president had a trump like answer. >> can you name the president of the chech nia. >> no can you. -- >> can you can name him. >> the general, i can name the general. >> and it is. >> general. >> prime minister of india? >> the new prime minister of india is -- no. >> for more let me bring in

arthur brooks, president of the american enterprise institute and the author of the "new york times" best seller. also joining us is brian darling. thank you for being here. let me start with you arthur. the questions that hugh hewitt asked donald trump, are they gotcha questions? >> no. i mean anybody who knows anything about hugh hewitt knows these are the kinds of questions he asks. he's one of the most popular radio hosts in the country you shouldn't go on the show. i know running for president you have to do a lot of toes things but it is the same thing. when donald trump goes own what i will become the jonathan capehart show on msnbc. e has to know you too. that is just the rules of the

road. >> do you think hugh hewitt's questions are gotcha questions? >> i think some of them were. i think that the interview started out with a question about iran and how their policies might change, how their foreign policy might change as a result of this iran deal and trump interrupted hugh hewitt and went back and forth. so after a whielg i felt like the questions when he was quizzing him on hezbollah and hamas and naming all of the leaders of all of these groups in the middle east i think it got into a little bit of a gotcha area but donald trump didn't do himself any favors. i think he's becoming the kim kardashian of politics, that we're talking about some appearance he had on a radio show. >> yeah actually that's an interesting point. arthur, is this just the tip of the iceberg for trump? will wii see more of this? >> well it depends on how he answers and this is actually indicative of all the problems going on in the republican and the democrat side. this has become such a joyless

season of politics. everything is back and forth. everything is a battle. everything is negative. until somebody is going to come out with an optimistic positive vision we're going to continue down this really pitiful road. we have to remember that last time somebody won and won big was barack obama in 2008 and there was one reason he won. he had a hopeful optimistic unifying campaign theme a lot of us didn't believe he governed that way but the point is that's how you win. and hillary clinton is looking like on a baton death marb or something. we're going to continue to have protest movements monk the populous. >> at the beginning of the hugh hewitt interview he did say i'm going to ask you some commander in chief questions. it's clear he was going to go down the foreign policy route. and overall do you think trump has a solid grasp on foreign policy now?

that's almost a leading question. but do you think trump can afford to have another interview where he doesn't show a grasp of foreign policy? >> no, i don't. but it is -- there are two levels that i think the american people look to when they look at the commander in chief or a future potential commander in chief. one is whether they have knowledge of these issues and the depth in these issues. but even more importantly they are looking for good judgment. so they are not expecting a leader or somebody being questioned to know all of these answers necessarily. president george w. bush failed miserably when he was quizzed on the four leaders of the world at the time, yet he became president of the united states. i think it ultimate lit comes down to do you trust this person? do you think they have good judgment? and i think the jury is out with donald trump. i think he has to do better next time. >> carly fiorina. how do you think she did? >> she did well and she tends to

dominate facts. she's been a ceo for a long time that worked in that particular style. of course she was a little bit more ready for that particular question. i think that she had probably better preparation for somebody like hugh hewitt and she's been on his show before and by the way there have been something like 14 presidential candidates that got the same set of questions. not like hewitt was going out of his way to trip up trump but any of these people could go to any of the think tanks and become prepared very quickly. and that is mediaable situation i just wish they would. >> and that interview with hugh hewitt was nit his first. it was his sixth. so it is not like trump did not know who hugh hewitt was and the types of questions he would ask. kim davis remains in jail as rowan county begins to issue marriage licenses. new details next. and the european migrant crisis builds.

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the refugee crisis in europe is now front and center on the campaign trail. today hillary clinton was asked if the u.s. should take in more syrian refugees. here is what she said. >> i think the entire world has to come together. it should not be just one or two countries or not just europe and the united states. we should do our part as should the europeans. but this is a broader, global crisis. >> and donald trump weighed in this morning on morning joe. >> would we will letting some of those people into this country? >> so horrible on a humanitarian basis when you see that. it is like incredible what is going on. but you know we have so many problems and the answer is possibly yes, possibly yes. >> today thousands of syrian

refugees began marching through hungary in a desperate effort to reach asylum in western europe. here is james maddis with more. >> it is not quite a biblical, but an exodus it certainly is. at least 2,000, maybe more of the refugees and migrants trapped in the railway station in budapest now deciding to walk the hundreds of miles to germany and what they see as the promised land. children too were set on the road. the blazing sun and traffic on the major motorway out of the city, no deterrent. infirmity was no barrier. there is clearly no chance of many of these people making it more than a few more miles but they know what they are doing will get attention and anything must be better than sitting in squaller waiting for a train that may never come. is this your way of forcing, shaming europe into helping you? >> yes that is what we want. >> it is hupzs of miles to the

border. >> okay. we make our way to germany. this is history. our children will know everything. >> a few miles away the 36 hour saga of the refugee train is finally coming to an end. a freight train has been moved in to block the view of cameras. many of those on board have now given up and have been taken out to waiting buses though others are believed to have fled down the tracks. but it is not clear there is any point even in taking people to camps or reception centers. we watched a bus load being brought into the center where they were fingerprinted but barely ten minutes later were simply jumping over the fence and walking away. no one appeared to be trying to stop them. >> i don't know why they bring us here? for what? why they would -- what they want from us? >> there was a different attitude in a camp on the far

south of hungary in the serbian border. news in budapest is inflaming opinion everywhere and here there was attempt to break down the fence. police moved in using liberal amounts of tear gas to try and restore order. the situation though is degenerating by the day. there are simply too many people on the move for the hungarians to keep them under control. >> still to come more republicans weigh in on county clerk kim davis and her stand against the law of the land. and there is no love on the tennis court for a wayward drone. stay with us. >> i'm josh lipton with your cnbc market wrap. stocks sink on a mixed jobs report and uncertainty about interest rates. the dow falls 272. the s&p sheds 29 the nasdaq is off 49. the economy added fewer than

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the first same-sex couple in rowan county in kentucky received a marriage license today. >> yes. >> woo. >> five deputy clerks have been approved to issue valid licenses while kim davis remains in

federal custody. he refused to allow same-sex couples to marry. her husband says she plans to remain in jail as long as it takes. and ted cruz says if kim davis belongs in jail she shouldn't be loan. >> for the first time we're seeing a the christian woman thrown in jail for standing up to her faith. i stand with kim davis. were those voices calling for president obama to resign. for six and a half years he has defied the law. >> he doesn't believe seeing her behind bars is a pretty picture but ultimately conceded that she must obey the law. >> i hate to see her being put in jail. i understand what they are doing. it would be certainly nice if she didn't do it but other people in her office do it. we have to go with it. the decision has been made and that is the law of the land. >> jeb bush tried to find footing in middle ground. >> you shouldn't be pushing people out of the public square if they have deeply held view,

nor should we discriminate against people particularly, you know, after this court ruling as it relates to the sexual orientation. there are ways other places are looking at, which is to say we will not -- we don't have to exercise this responsibility. we'll have someone else in the office do it. people have the right to be able to get a certificate of marriage. >> though the answer waffled, he just seemed happy not to be asked about trump. joining me now are my guests. chairman steele, let me start with you and get your response to bush's response. is there harm in the finding that someone else should do it solution? >> is there harm in that. >> yeah. >> you know i think -- i think

it is tough to find a middle road here when this really breaks down to a black and whitish for i think a lot of republicans and i understand where folks are kind of, you know, moving to this idea of the christian woman being persecuted and eventually thrown in jail. but that is not in this. she's a duly elected public official. just like barack obama. to the extent you had a problem with barack obama's justice department ignoring doma or any other particular law, you should have a problem with this. because you have responsibility to uphold the law. you took that oath. i don't know if there is a middle ground. i don't think you can really find one when this is clearly stated the way it is under the law. >> what is your response to senator cruz saying that president obama should be scrutinized as much as kim davis is? >> well i double eye rolled on that one. i just think this whole conversation is completely misdivimi misguided.

this is a simple answer here. if she doesn't want to follow the law then she should quit her job and go into charity work or try to raise orphans or care about something and love people in a line with her believes if she's saying she believes in jesus and god and all of these innings, go do something that allows you to do that. but in your job as an elected official you have to follow the law. and jesus needs new p.r. in the bible it says to love people what. she's talking about is not loving people. it is not having empathy for people. that scene in the courthouse this week reminded me so of black people trying to go vote in the south that. for me was discrimination and it was wrong. >> being denied her legal right. >> exactly right. >> so there is a big legal -- well there is a legal conundrum here that's come about out of a

result of this. since the same-sex marriage ruling in the supreme court in june a tennessee judge is now refusing to grant divorces to any couple. the judge writes with what the u.s. supreme court having to find what must be recognized as marriage it would appear that tennessee's judiciary must now await the decision by the u.s. supreme court as to what what is not a marriage or better stated when is a marriage no longer a marriage what is this? >> a hissy fit. and sadly there will be isolated incidents of the people foot dragging or acting out or grand standing and saying whatever i think about this or that that makes no sense and this is no way to run a country. i'm very confident that kind of absurd action by a judge who

after all is punishing a non gay couple who's come before him in a difficult time of their life seeking a the divorce, he's now lashing out to manifest his disapproval of the supreme court's ruling. i again that is one incident. the clerk is one clerk. this is so isolated i think what we really i ought to be talking is that the country is doing the right thing and most people are doing the right thing even when they don't agree. >> is that right cruz said kim davis shouldn't be alone there in prison and the mike huckabee is planning a rally in her honor. other republican candidates want to move away from the topic. will this divide the base? when the ruling came out everybody was wreathing a sigh of relief it took the litmus test off the table it. >> could be a litmus test which is unfortunate and i hope it

doesn't become one. we can have the conversation about our views on marriage and whether we support this or aspects of it. but then there is the judicial piece. and they have decided what the law of the land is. and so i just think that it is hard to uncontort yourself on this and they should just stop it. they should really just move away. let this play itself out. judges adjudicate, clerks follow the law as prescribed. and presidential candidates talk about how you are going to govern and lead the country. >> we're running out of time. i'm going to do another round robin with all of you. evan, how big an issue is this do you think for voters? >> for voters, it is not an issue at all. the only people who are going to rally -- base their vote on fidelity to a lawbreaker like this clerk are people who would never have voted any way other than what they were going to vote anyway, which is the anti

gay in this case republican side. not to say all republicans are anti gay. so for voters it means nothing. and the other quick thing is this is important that the rule of law is of course important but it is an also an extliremel small amount of activity. and the bigger is the country has embraced this. people are getting married the law is being followed and almost everybody sees this as the good step ifrd. >> they continue to alienate voters. if you are going to alienate all -- who else is left to vote for you? >> and chairman steele, since this issue is -- this conversation is based around your party and the base of your party, do you think this is a big enough issue for voters in your party? especially in this primary season? >> i think it is. i think it will drive some

votes. certainly in states like iowa as we get closer to that primary date. and it is going to get played out one way or the other and i think to the points that have been made how the rest of the country receives that, that is going to be real test for the party. >> michael steele, thank you very much for being here. >> the conversation about gender identity comes to the classroom. how one california school is making it easier for children with gender identity questions. stay tuned. listen up team, i brought in some protein to help rearrange the fridge and get us energized! i'm new ensure active high protein. i help you recharge with nutritious energy and strength to keep you active. come on pear, it's only a half gallon. i'll take that. yeeeeeah! new ensure active high protein. 16 grams of protein and 23 vitamins and minerals. all in 160 calories. ensure. take life in. if an electric toothbrush was going to clean better than a manual. he said sure...

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girls and the one over here was marked just for boys. now any student can use either one. the change is only happening for now in kindergarten and first grade where the rest rooms have a single stall so that one student can use them at one time. >> there's the impression that we'll have numerous students using the bathroom at one time. that's just not the case. >> reporter: when your children heard about this, what was the reaction? >> they were excited. >> reporter: he has twins, ari and ella. ari is gender nonconforming which means it's fluid. ari likes the gender-neutral bathrooms. >> then it's nicer. you don't have to separate people. >> reporter: having both a male and female symbol on a single door, what difference does that make? >> i think it invites the child, invites the person into the space as opposed to putting them into a moment of confusion or

anxiety. >> reporter: in this san francisco community, the school's change is met with support, but across the country rest rooms have become a battleground when it comes to gender identity. this week in hillsboro, many students walked out in protest upset a transgender female can use the girl's bathrooms in locker rooms. and in troy, ohio, when officials ordered every school to designate a gender-neutral rest room, parents were divided. >> i do not think it's a good idea for them to share bathrooms. >> reporter: meanwhile, the white house added a gender-neutral bathroom this year and many colleges are doing the same as the discussion ramps up over this sign of the times. for "today" joe friar, nbc news, san francisco. up next the galaxy celebrates force friday. find out what's behind the rush to snap up the newest "star wars" gear.

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youtube page allowing kids and kids at heart a preview of the toys before they hit the shelves. the hype behind it comes from the skresy surrounding the new film. die-hard fans are hoping the new toys will give clues about the new film. patience you must have young padawans. joining me is the author of the new book "a field guide to awkward silences ". before i start talking to you, i got to show you a little something. this is the millennium falcon. >> i can't see it, but i'm expressing the kind of emotion that i assume i'm having based on seeing it. that looks amazing! >> alexandra, it's been ten years since the last -- sorry. it's been ten years since the last "star wars" movie was released. how different is the buildup this time around? >> part of the fun of being a st "star wars" fan is waiting in

long lines for things. we buy our movie tickets online. where will we wait in line? target at midnight on september 4th. >> a couple people had kids along for plausible deniability, no, it's a children's movie. no, we're in our 20s, we're in our 30s, year grown adults and we want to take home a life-sized chewbacca or half-sized if possible. >> are you a princess leia or a storm trooper? >> i would dress up as jabba the hutt in a suit type person. i was on the "star wars" ride at disney, and this man behind me got very upset because i removed by jabba the huttt head. i said, you're 50. >> c3po called it beyond ludicrous, scripts printed on

dark red paper to prevent photocopying. how much is related to the influx of social media and the risk of leakers? >> i think the risk of leaking is huge. every time you get a new piece of merchandise, it reveals a little bit of something. you see a picture. you wonder what are the characters doing there? the toys give you a glimpse of the characters who you are contractually obligated to love for the next 18 years. kind of like children. you have to decorate the room first. when "empire strikes back" came out, there were these trading cards. people were looking, that's what this is and i wonder what this scene is and building up the excitement. preloving the movie before it came. people are buying this stuff to figure what's going on. can i have everything? a storm trooper, i love it. sign me up. >> why do you think after all these years, it's been like three decades now. why is "star wars," does it have such staying power in five

seconds can you tell me? >> a multigenerational modern-day myth. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> i'm jonathan capehart. "politics nation" with the reverend al sharpton, that starts right now. right now on "politics nation," an msnbc exclusive. hillary clinton talking about donald trump, joe biden and coming back from the e-mail controversy. also donald trump sets his sights on his next start in the gop. big news from the obama economy and a birthday wish to beyonce from a very special fan. welcome to "politics nation." we start with a big question for the republican party. is donald trump moving on to his next target? he spent