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thousands of migrants fleeing violence in the middle east arrive in austria. more protests are planned today in kentucky as the county clerk who refused to issue marriage licenses to same sex couples spends her holiday weekend in jail. we begin with rare event, former sec a tear of state hillary clinton sat down with msnbc's andrea mitchell for an exclusive interview, only her third national interview since she launched her campaign. it comes one day after one of clinton's long-time aides and advisers testified before congress. cheryl mills reportedly told investigators that no work-related messages had been withheld or destroyed. mills added she never knowingly mishandled classified information. an aide has confirmed to nbc news the details of a new "washington post" report that says, quote, clinton and her family personally paid a state department staffer to maintain

the private e-mail server she used while heading the agency. the arrangement was made so that clinton could maintain personal control over the server and ensure taxpayer money was not spent to maintain it. andrea mitchell asked clinton yesterday if she was sorry about her decision to use a private server. >> are you sorry, do you want to apologize to the american people for the choice you made? >> well, it wasn't the best choice. i certainly have said that. i will continue to say that, as i've also said many times, it was allowed and it was fully aboveboard. the people in the government knew i was using paernl account, but it would have been better if i had had two separate accounts to begin with. and certainly i'm doing all i can now to try to be as transparent about what i did have on my work-related e-mails. >> did anyone in your inner circle say this isn't such a good idea, let's not do this? >> i was not thinking a lot when i got in. there was so much work to be

done. we had so many problems around the world. i didn't really stop and think. at the end of the day i am sorry that this has been confusing to people and has raised a lot of questions, but there are answers to all these questions. >> joining the panel today, el joy williams, a political strategist and president of the brooklyn chapter of the naacp, is a hill ka pure, a reporter with bloomberg politics and john hart, editor in chief of the website opportunitylives. also former communications director for now retired oklahoma senator tom coburn. thanks to you all for being here today. i didn't really stop and think. is that a good defense, good enough defense? >> well, i don't think that was her whole defense. i do think the sound bite of saying i wasn't thinking a lot when we came in is a bad sound bite that can be used against

her going forward. but i think overall she is clearly taking responsibility, that maybe this wasn't the right decision. was it outright illegal and sort of against policy? no. but maybe it wasn't the right decision to go forward, particularly because it's causing this confusion. whether or not it's going to stop the on going conversation about this issue, i don't think it will. i think it will be -- continue because there's been so much confusion and because people are using it against her or using it as a way to not trust her word or trust what she's doing. i don't think it's going away. >> i'll get specifically to that in a moment. sahil. >> the other bad sound bite, it's confusing. what she's doing to do overall is tried to own this. she's tried every other tactic in the book, defensive, dismissive, skoeding, tried to joke about it. none of it has worked and the

conversation continues. republican strategist had a mission to use this to damage her as much as possible. the country wonders what's going on here. >> i think what she said was a classic non-apology, i'm sorry if i hurt your feelings, i'm sorry if there was confusion, but not necessarily sorry for the decisions that cause the rift. that doesn't work in a marriage, a relationship of trust with voters. the essence of what this is about is you have hillary clinton creating a private communications system to avoid accountability and transparency. that doesn't work in today's -- >> i don't know to avoid accountability and transparency, is a bit of a reach. i would have to say when i heard her say i didn't really heart her stop and think the rest o of what she said, was probably the most human moment of that interview where she's like, you know what, there was a lot of stuff going on when we came into

office. thinking about the e-mail stuff was one of the last things at the top of my list. let's play this sound bite when andrea mitchell asked her the trustworthiness question and how it made her feel -- i think the quinnipiac poll where people said, the one first word they said when they thought about hillary clinton was liar. >> the first words that came to mind when asked about you were liar, untrustworthy, crooked. how does that make you feel? >> it certainly doesn't make me feel good. i'm very confident that by the time this campaign has run its course, people will know that what i've been saying is accurate. >> what do you make of this reaction? >> i think it's very -- again, as you mentioned, very human to say it doesn't make me feel good if there are a large percentage of believe who believe i'm not trustworthy or a liar, that any

of us would feel the same way. i think contrary to your point, i think she is taking very much responsibility in saying the decision i made, although there was a lot going on and the e-mail was the least of my concern, the decision i made at that time, we wouldn't be here in that situation. but the overall comment in how her campaign will continue to progress with that feeling that people believe she's not trustworthy is something that the campaign is going to have to combat in all aspects across the campaign. >> clearly the clinton campaign, she's been in public life, national global public life for a quarter century. for people saying liar, untrustworthy, probably think, you know, i've been called a whole lot worse. let me get your reaction. >> there's a lot of information about what was the nature of the information on the server? was it ever acquired by foreign

intelligence services? there's a lot of reporting that's going to continue to go on, even though she gave a fairly decent, quote, human answer. there's a lot about the story that will keep developing. one thing you raised is republican strategists want to talk about this. i would put a cautionary note on this. if we put all our eggs in this basket as a party, we're in trouble. we need to talk about solution, what we're for and the deeper divide in the democratic party which is between the bernie sanders liberation army -- >> all they think about and talk about is hillary clinton and the e-mails. it's important to note, jonathan, there are two dimensions to look at this. one is a legal dimension where she's safe right now. there's an investigation, but not an investigation into her. the prosecutor who busted general petraeus said there's no evidence she committed any crime. her new posture is to take responsibility for it torques

try to own this. whether it's enough to say i'm sorry, that this is difficult and this is confusing and i own it versus saying flat out, i'm sorry. this is a bad decision and i was wrong, that's the open question. i don't know if this is going to be enough. >> john, you said something interesting, republicans shouldn't put all their eggs on this basket and should be focused on solutions and positive. that made me think of, well, donald trump is looming large and there's nothing positive coming out of there. anyone who tries to attack him, even though he gains political advantage and rises in the poll, one attack after another, the republicans i think are in trouble. let's play that sound of andrea asking hillary clinton about donald trump. >> i think it's an unfortunate development in american politics, that his campaign is all about who he's against, whether it's immigrants or women broadcasters or aides of other

candidates. he is the candidate of being against. he's great at innuendo and conspiracy theories and really defaming people. that's not what i want to do in nye mie campaign and that's not how i'm going to conduct myself. >> to your point, john. >> that segment should be a wake-up call to republicans. that says if it's hillary clinton versus donald trump, she will destroy donald trump. >> donald trump may be the best thing that happened to hillary clinton. at every moment she has tried to connect him to the rest of the republican field because he's so unpopular with everybody who is not a republican. >> today hillary clinton is in new hampshire to launch a new initiative called women for hillary. new hampshire senator jeanne shaheen will join her on stage for the launch. >> reporter: good morning, jonathan. this is a real opportunity for the clinton campaign to shift into a different gear.

hillary clinton talked about that to a degree in the interview with andrea mitchell. labor day weekend is a time when kids get back to school, campaigns move in a new direction. one of the things she will try to focus on is shoring up key parts of her democratic base. certainly women supporters were a key part of that. jeanne shaheen is the senior senator from new hampshire, the first primary state. she also has an important distinction in a couple of other ways. a long history with the clintons going back to when bill clinton ran in '92 and in the last cycle when hillary clinton was campaigning to become president herself. jeanne shaheen is a long-time ally and is popular in this state. sheheen is also the only woman in all american politics who has been both a governor and senator for her state. so that makes her one of those figures when you come to the issue of women being active in politics, jeanne shaheen is a helpful name to have on her side.

later today she'll travel to manchester and will be talking with organized labor. it's labor day weekend, if you're a democrat, organized labor is so important to helping you build the organization and support to try to hold off sort of the neighbor aring state, bernie sanders, or perhaps send a sig mall to joe biden if you're a clinton supporter that maybe there isn't a lane for him to run. it's been a whirlwind for hillary clinton. the interview you were playing was taped in new york yesterday. then she went to puerto rico for a discussion on health care and to new hampshire today. it's a fran etic pace for sure. when it comes to the e-mail issue, there's also something new today, jonathan. that is, "the washington post" was first to report and our colleague kristen welker was willing to confirm that one of the staffers involved in the e-mail situation, brian pagano was paid personally by the clintons to set up that server. he went on to become a state

department employee, has worked with the clintons in different capacities. while hillary clinton told andrea mitchell they weren't thinking about the e-mail ser verks they were thinking about how to pay foirt and did so with personal funds, not taxpayer dollars. >> thanks to kelly o'donnell. serena williams gets one step closer to making history. next, the jailed kentucky county clerk stands her ground. stay with us. the difference between a morning around the house and getting a little exercise. and i tried a baking class. one weekend can make all the difference. only depend underwear has new confidence core technology for fast absorption and the smooth, comfortable fit of fit-flex™ protection. take your weekend on with a coupon at depend.com

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the kentucky clerk who was jailed thursday for failing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples is continuing her fight. kim davis is filing an appeal to overturn a federal judge's contempt ruling that has put her in federal custody for what the judge says is at least a week.

>> we just had a good visit with kim davis, and her first and one of her last words to all of us as we were in there is all is well. she never envisioned herself to be here, but this is where she is. she is here because of her conscience. she's a prisoner of her conscience, if you will. she has no intention of stepping down because she loves her people and loves the job. >> earlier yesterday in her absence the first same-sex marriage licenses were finally issued in rowing county by the clerk's deputies. >> the legal drama has divided republicans on the presidential campaign trail. some are defending davis' religious freedom. >> i think there out to be some room for people to exercise their religious believes and not be told they have to do

something they find morally objectionable. >> i don't think anybody should have to choose between following their conscience, religious believes and giving up their job and facing financial sanctions. >> do you want to see other court clerks doing this? >> i want people to stand up for their convictions. i want them to have the courage of their convictions, notak wee es -- >> do you want them to follow the law? >> it's the interpretation of five unelected lawyers on the court. >> others say davis is a government employee with an obligation to carry out the law. >> i sympathize with her religious believes, but she's a public official. those of us in public life have to administer the law to every american as the law is written. >> i think it's a very different situation for her than someone in a hospital asked to perform an abortion or someone at a

florist asked to serve a gay wedding. think when you're a government employee you're put in a different position. >> joining us, adam wolfson the founder and president of freedom to marry, an organization going out of business because of the supreme court ruling. >> yes. we achieved what we set out to do. >> senator paul was the one talking about i think there should be some room for people to exercise their religious believes and not be told they have to do something they find morally objectionable. on one hand, i get that. do elected officials have the right to exercise the religious freedom that's opposite to the law they're elected to carry out? >> this is not a question of religious freedom. no one is telling her what to believe, what to think, what to do. she took an oath to do a job, she draws an $80,000 taxpayer salary. if she doesn't feel she can do

the job consistent with her conscience, she is free to step down. she didn't even allow her deputies to issue these licenses. so this is an attempt to create a drama under this banner of religious freedom. but what it's really about is an attempt to subvert the law and flout civil rights and undermine civil rights, completely intolerable, completely in a government employee. it's unfortunate she's in jail. nobody wanted that. she chose this, she and the group behind her stirring up this drama in the first place. >> it's interesting how this issue has suddenly crept its way back as a political weapon all over again. we thought this was over. >> we thought it was off the table, republicans were secretly thrilled. >> republican strategists were absolutely secretly thrilled because they don't want this to be an issue in the general election in 2016. the country is moving toward acceptance of gay rights and now

this has become an issue. the clerk has become a martyr. in the primary this is an effective weapon because the evangelical base is still not on board with this. >> i actually disagree. i think in fact what e we've seen across the country is massive compliance with the law, officials all across the country. this is a total isolated issue stoked up by an anti-gay, anti-choice group that has that agenda. most of the center of the republican party let alone the party itself, understands the boundaries as you showed from even conservative candidates who understand this is not acceptable, there are people that want this agenda and this conversation. the country is not going to buy this. >> it's an isolated incident, but at the same time, all it takes is one. you make the point that in mississippi and louisiana, there are thousands of gay and lesbian couples getting married when it

wasn't thought of years ago. >> how about we bring in the republican at the table. what about the fact that we once thought once oh burger felt was decided that this was off the table and there are republicans on the hill saying, oh my god, we are so thrilled that this happened? >> the surest thing to keem something on the table is for the supreme court to decide it. it opens a new rift in society. the frustration conservatives have on this is the sense there's a double standard. in other words, there's one standard for conservatives when it comes to civil disobedience and another for liberals. for example, why not hold gavin newsom to the same standard as kim davis. when he was mayor in 2004 he violated california law by issuing marriage licenses. he may have a deep conscience to the law, but he violated it. there was nothing on the left saying do your job and resign. if you want to be a champion of

equality, you have to apply your principles equally. >> that's completely 23409 true. gavin newsom did something he believed he had the constitutional authority to do. the court said you don't have the authority. he stopped doing it. there were many voices on the left and the right said the court needs to decide. once the court decides, there it is. it's the complete opposite of what's happening here. she has been given an order by a federal junl. she tested the order all the way up to the supreme court. the supreme court upheld what this judge instructed her to do. the judge brought her back into court to give her a chance to comply with the law. she deliberately chose to defy that law and tried to enter 250er fooer with her deputies perfo performing. it's a completely opposite situation. >> other examples, sanctuary cities, where the calls for mayors to resign who aren't following immigration law? there is an inconsistency that progressives have.

let me add, carly fiorina's answer is probably the best answer from anyone in the field. >> you're absolutely right. pity we don't have time to actually play it, evan wolfson, thank you for being here, of the soon to go out of business for good reasons freedom to marry. >> thank you. is obama headed back to college? finally good news for thousands of migrants stranded in hungary this week. stay with us. we could have one of those. one? are you kidding? we'll end up eating like thirty. wanna split that? ughhhh...no, so much fat. don't fight your instincts. with each each for 150 calories or less try our chocolatey brownies, tangy lemon bars, and new creamy cheesecakes. fiber one. go on, have one. like big big. at&t and directv are now one.

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backed up for miles. this after the hungarian government coming under tremendous pressure decided to finally relent and help the people pass through this country. they made it. they won. buses took thousands of migrants from hungary into austria this morning, a simple border crossing, but this was a hard fought victory which they had to earn one step at a time. from there, many were quickly loaded on to trains for vienna. friday the migrants and refugees, mostly from syria, finally got fed up in hungary and decided to head for the austrian border on foot, 100 miles away. the hungarian government has been giving them a hard time, corralling them into camps, sometimes beating them and forcing them off trains. a med lost his leg in an air strike in syria and wears a

prosthetic. like many he was angry and confused as to why the hungarian government was hassling instead of helping them. we bought train tickets, but they won't let us travel, he said. but with reporters following every step and babies in the sun, children two to a stroller, it all became too embarrassing for the hungarian government, which finally gave the migrants and refugees what they wanted, passage out of the country so they could head further north and west to wealthier parts of europe. jonathan, this crisis is in no way over. the hungarian government said what is happening is a one-time deal, that it doesn't want to get into the business of helping people shuttling migrants and refugees through hungary and delivering them at austria's doorstep. but expectations have been raised, something of a precedent has been set, and already today more people are on the march walking along the highways hoping that they, too, will be

picked up, hoping that they can keep this momentum going. it is unclear how hungary is going to react. this is a major crisis. every day there are different developments. the march led to a pickup, but unclear if there will be more pickups. jonathan? >> richard engel along the austria-hungary border. the crisis made its way onto the presidential campaign trail. andrea mitchell asking hillary clinton whether the u.s. should take in more syrian refugees in her exclusive interview yesterday. donald trump faced a similar question on "morning joe." >> should we will letting some of those people into this country? >> so horrible on a humanitarian basis when you see that. it's incredible what's going on, but we have so many problems and

the answer is possibly yes, cokie. martin o'malley said the u.s. should heed the call from humanitarian organizations to accept 65,000 syrian refugees next year. joining me now, msnbc contributor steve clemons, editor at large at "the atlantic." thanks for being here this morning. >> good morning, jonathan. >> before you get started, let's play the clip of hillary clinton's answer to andrea mitchell. >> i think the entire world has to come together. it should not be just one or two countries or not just europe and the united states. we should do our part, as should the europeans, but this is a broader global crisis. >> steve, take what secretary clinton said, and then there's martin o'malley who has taken the boldest position in calling for the u.s. to take 65,000 refugees yesterday, he said, quote, if germany, a country

with one-fourth our population can accept 800,000 refugees this year, certainly we, the nation of immigrants and refugees, can do more. what do you make of that? >> you would think so. the reality is the united states has taken 1,500 refugees, most waited more than 18 months to be vetted before they were brought into the united states. jumping from 1500 to 65,000 which martin o'malley and others have embraced is a very, very big jump for this country. i feel it's appropriate. i feel it's important. i feel like when you look at europe today, it's very hard not to think that we have conditions that were very much like pre world war ii. despite what we saw hungary do, and richard is right, hungary moved because of the media attention, but the steef destain of the hungarian right wing government is something that is not anomalous in europe.

it is something that is pervasive through many corners of europe despite europe, germany and austria stepping forward. we're at a very strange time, and america has not stepped up. frankly, a lot of other arab states that should stand up like saudi arabia and others are also not taking refugees. >> is the reason the united states has president stepped up, as you said, there's no political will in the country right now that we're in the middle of a presidential season to actually do something? >> yeah, because the whonotion immigration, legal immigration, illegal immigration and hosting refugees who don't want to leave their country but are under potential threat of death is something that we used to embrace very strongly in the united states. we've taken in lots of refugees from asia, vietnam, somalia, ethiopia and others, but there

doesn't seem to be the political will at this moment to do that. there's also a fear that, with those that we would bring in, that you're bringing in people who could potentially be terrorists, and islamic extremists. so there is a phobia right now, an allergy to hosting refugees in the united states that would have to be dealt with before we saw numbers on the level that martin o'malley and people like international rescue committee have called for. >> steve, why haven't we heard more from president obama on this? >> it's strange, because this would be something where you would think the president would stand up and actually take a leading point in. i think it's important for the united states, given the stress and strain and also reaching out -- one of our problems with the middle east is that many in the muslim world don't believe america and the west value their lives. this is the moment where you say we value your lives. you're under threat. we want to embrace you and help you, and the president has not done that right now. i can't explain why. but it's something that is

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mirror. there are left leaning independents who just think it's funny and mischievous. there are people totally fed up with the system and are doing it sort of as a protest, as you said. but there are all sorts of people who don't really like donald trump and nonetheless plan to vote for him. >> like i said, the write-in vote in the 2012 new hampshire primary ended up being less than 1% of the vote and not enough to swing any election. do you really think these haters explain any significant part of donald trump's support? >> it's sort of impossible to say. i'd be sceptical about the idea that they're a significant part of his constituency. pollsters say there's no way to measure this. i think what's interesting about the phenomenon is there's a spectrum, and from talking to just republicans around the country who are talking to friends who are thinking about running for donald trump, many of them sort of think they can kind of like him, but also think it's sort of funny.

so there is this blurry line where some of his even more sincere supporters, for them it sort of still feels like a funny joke. it's hard to measure the size of the effect. >> a funny joke, but it's having some impact on polls. sahill, the recent bloomberg politics des moines register in iowa has its favorability among highest level among first-time caucus-goers, 69% favorable, 29% unfavorable. is the problem for trump then going to be getting those people to the polls -- not even to the polls, because it's a caucus, but to their living rooms to cast a vote and win the iowa caucuses. >> the problem is going to be sustaining their interest and votes. polls show people only get serious about december, and the primaries start in february. the question for him is he going to prove to him he's actually going to carry their torch or will it be someone like michele

bachmann or herman cain. this is something we almost never see. that kind of approval spike, something like 20, 25 points, especially for someone in the public eye as a celebrity and reality tv star for decades, that's extraordinary he's done that and it should give his rivals pause. >> john, what do you make of all this. >> there's a lack of solutions an consensus in the country about how to fix the actual problems creating the angst. on the left and right, people would agree we have stagnant wages, persistent poverty, rising education costs. so trump has been been the beneficialry of some of that angst. on sahill's point, i think it will fade. trump has not been defined on policies and issues, his schtick that he's anti establishment, that's a crock.

i worked for an anti establishment member, tom coburn. we got rid of earmarks, cut tons of wastal spending and helped reform the party. >> more important than the question of who are trump supporters or potential voters is the question who are those people still undecided or have not found a candidate that they can support at this time, and how many of them are there? so how many are not participating in the process because, not only the on going circus of trump, but so many candidates, i can't make a decision -- finding out what are the issues that matter to me which we know of, the economy matters for folks moving our economy. there's so many social issues that matter. >> immigration. >> immigration as well. who are those voters and why haven't they been able to make a decision. >> real fast, sahill and i have to get ben in for the last word? >> those voters are people who hate the republican

establishment about as much as they hate the president. 65% of trump supporters say they're mad as hell at wall street. he's saying we need to close the carried interest loophole which helps hedge fund manager and private equity managers pay less in taxes. >> ben, how much of this support is because you think people aren't really paying attention, it's summer, he's entertaining? clearly he's entertaining to watch on television. now that we're going to get past labor day and get into the fall and people start getting more serious, the likelihood we will see that kind of support among the haters and supporters shr k shrink? >> that's sort of been the narrative throughout the summer, he's like michele bachmann and herman cain, someone who rise up and fade away.

at this point his support has lasted long enough that i'm not holding my breath for him to collapse before iowa. time will tell. >> i was one of the people who thought his support was going to collapse, and i'm still holding my breath. thanks so much forgetting up with us. still ahead, the latest on the desperate effort to save a whale caught in a fishing net off the coast of california. next, will president obama soon be professor obama? stay with us. doers. they don't worry if something's possible.

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what kind of presence do you think that is? >> you're right. there's no secret that the obama foundation which is planning the president's library in chicago was very' nor mored with columbia university and the opportunity for president obama to have an office there to maintain some tie to his foundation and base it in new york. there are lots of reasons why the foundation and the president might be very attracted. that one things, as you mentioned, the president lived and graduated in new york city and loves the city. the first lady does, too. the idea might be that his oldest daughter, malia might be interested in going to college there. we know she shopped around at at least two colleging including columbia in new york. the other thing is it's much easier to raise money and maybe do some of the dynamic global kinds of things that the president might have in mind for his post presidency if you're based part of the time at least in new york city. >> you mentioned malia and her choice of college may be

affecting where the obamas move. but what about sasha? she's still going to be in high school. might that play a role in their possibly staying in washington after he's no longer president in 2017? >> the president and the white house aides have made it clear that the president is very much interested with the first lady in helping sasha figure out where she's comfortable finishing high school. she's 14. they've indicated if she would like to complete school in washington, d.c., that they would be there in washington to help her finish school. so family, the foundation and the president's desire for what the foundation does in addition to the library think are the three main factors the white house keeps talking about as the president makes his decision. >> l'joy can new york city handle two ex presidents and a former secretary of state, maybe future president? >> definitely. obviously the traffic won't be as bad if he's the former

president because there won't be that much of a motorcade. in this situation i'm thinking of malia. if she's choosing to go to college in new york and my parents are moving here, can we just give her some space? let her have a life without everybody -- can i live and go to a college without my whole family being here. >> when i saw that announcement from columbia, from the columbia president, i wondered if mr. ballinger scooped the president biden style. would it surprise anyone that he was professor obama before president obama. i can imagine him in that role. >> alexis, less than a minute left. i'll give you the last question. what sort of role do you think president obama will play in the world, no matter where he is, whether chicago, new york, washington, in the post presidency? >> i think we all should remember the president will be 55 years old when he leaves the

presiden presidency. that's very young, with a family and a full life ahead of him. i know the president has imagi e imagined writing a book. i'll imagine he'll write another. the white house doesn't argue against that concept. he's been doing very deliberate discussions. they have as part of the discussion a committee called the vision committee. they're talking internally and have been for a year what it is he could do. he's interested in criminal justice, interested in youth, interested in the world and furthering his a.m. ambitions on climate, et cetera. one of the things i learned covering president bush is you can always be surprised, i hadn't expected president bush to use a lot of his post presidency to paint. so you can always be surprised. >> right. we should add the president's my brother's keeper initiative guarantee that will figure prominently in his post presidency. alexis, thanks very much. >> take care. still ahead, downton abbey

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this saturday morning. in just a moment we'll be taking a closer look at the question that tripped up donald trump who slammed his interviewer for asking that question. when she was asked the very same question carly fiorina aced it. she'll heading to the next debate. we'll be checking in on her campaign in just a minute. speaking of acing it, serena williams survives a close call last night. one of the greatest names in tennis will be along to talk about her pursuit of a grand slam. donald trump is doing well in the polls, but there are new questions about his command of policy, specifically foreign policy. this is what happened when he appeared on the hugh hewitt radio program thursday. take a listen. >> are you familiar with general soleimani. go ahead, tell me. >> he runs the quds forces. >> i think the curds have been

horribly mistreated. >> the kud forces, the bad guys. >> i thought you said kurds. >> donald trump accused the host of asking him so-called gotcha questions. >> on the front of islamist terrorism, i'm looking for the next commander in chief to know who hassan nasrallah is, and zach hirry and al ju lanny. >> i think by the time we get to office, they'll be changed sand all gone. i knew you would ask me. i hopefully will find general douglas macarthur in the pack. they're all changing. those are like history questions, do you know this one. >> i don't believe in gotcha questions. i'm not trying to quiz you. >> that is a gotcha question.

when you're asking who vung businesses, i will be so good at the military, your head will spin. >> back here on the panel, political strategist l'joy williams, sahill cap pure with bloomberg politics and john hart with the site opportunitylives. john, what do you make of the trum interview with hugh hewitt. >> you need to force him to talk about policy, it's very simple. trump is weak on policy. you're seeing that in these interviews. he criticized jeb bush for needing to speak english in the united states. trump needs to speak conservative in the republican primary. he doesn't know how. >> and he also -- if you're running for the position of

president in the united states and foreign policy is a major -- yes, the average american you ask, do they know who these people are, they're going to say no, i don't even know. i have to use a score card sometimes in terms of foreign policy and who is controlling what. but the commander in chief, someone who is aspiring to lead us and lead this country and be the world's augt thofrt should know these things or at least have a better response in not you've given me a gotcha yes. >> without a view, the interview exposed knowledge gaps in donald trump's foreign policy understanding. the question is, voters are always willing to givae presidential candidates a pass on this. on a political level it's going to be embarrassing for him. in the last hour since the show started i saw two tweets from donald trump attacking hugh hewitt as a very low rated radio

host. it's very typical trump. the question is where do we go from here? on the political side i doubt his supporters will bolt over this who stuck by him when he was calling the entire republican party a bunch of lose rs. are they going to bolt over him not knowing who the quds forces are. >> and black people continuely. i will say, and i agree with you, voters give some leeway as people who don't have foreign policy experience. it also continues to show his personality. do you really want someone in the white house who can potentially start a war, potentially continue to start conflict because he's calling people names or saying i'm just going to be so good on the military. what evidence do you have that you're going to be so good on the military? >> let me play some sound from rnc communications director shawn spicer talking about the interview. let's play that. >> no one knows everything, right? that's ridiculous. there's nobody, whether it tease

current president of the united states or anyone who hopes to succeed him will know every single leader, every piece of domestic policy. >> what sean is saying echoes what sahill was saying, what do you think of that? >> i think what sets trump apart is he's described everyone else as stupid and he's the smart guy. he was asking for it. sean makes a fair point not everyone will know every title and leader, but when your whole campaign is based on impugning the intelligence everyone else, you can't claim you're a ref zwree in the campaign. >> right. we should point out, hugh hewitt was not unknown to donald trump. that his his sixth interview with hugh hewitt on saturday. hugh hewitt started the program by saying i want to ask you some commander in chief questions. this was not a surprise quiz. let's talk about a person who

had an interview later that day with hugh hewitt and knocked it out of the park. that's carly fiorina. let's play that sound. >> we know the general of the quds force has been a powerful tool of the iranian regime to sow conflict. we also know that the kuds forces are responsible for the death and rounding of american soldiers. we also know that the quds forces have been in syria and a whole bunch of other countries in the middle east. the iranian deal which sadly has just been approved by congress, starts a massive flow of money, and that money is going to be used not only to build up an iranian nuclear weapon which they have been hell-bent on getting for 30 years, that money is also going to the quds forces. >> come on now. that's how you answer the

question. >> and not necessarily that she gave a response of what she's going to do at least in this sound clip, but she also educated the people that are listening in saying here are who -- she demonstrated that i have at least a command knowledge of what's going on in the area or what i believe to be going on, and then also tieing it to current foreign policy discussion in the iranian deal. so whether or not she has a response in terms of what she's going to do as commander in chief and whether we agree with her or not, she has an appropriate response. >> she knows she's an underdog candidate coming in with zero political experience, so she has to impress in moments like these. she's a sleep are candidate. she impressed in the debate. when i travel to places like miami and south carolina, voters really like her. republican voters really like her, if they know who she is. >> it isn't just about her doing her homework, though she has done that, carly fiorina has a

coherent world view that's conservative. she doesn't have to make it up as she goes along. that's why trump is having these difficulties. he's been all over the map on health care, he makes mitt romney look like captain consistency on health care. >> that's saying something. she was also asked questions about all those terrorists, all those names. she said, you know what, hugh, i got confused by the names because they sound very similar and i have to admit that. but she admitted she didn't know everything, but then she was able to go in and demonstrate that she knows what's going on. to your point earlier sahill, you said there are a lot of people running for president who don't know world leaders. some of them are governors. there's a particular governor who had to face a pop quiz in november 1999. >> can you name the president of

chechnya? >> no, can you. >> the new pakistani general just elected -- not elected, took over office. he appears he's going to bring stability to the country. >> name a general? >> general. >> prime minister of india. >> the new prime minister of india is -- no. >> what i love about that clip is that his first answer, can you name the leader of chech nah? can you. what's the name of the general in pakistan? general. we talk about this and we're horrified that there are people that run for president who don't know basic geopolitical facts and want to be commander in chief. as george w. bush shows, he was the governor of texas in november 1999. do the american people really care ultimately whether the person they're voting for has a sweeping command of geopolitical

affairs and knowledge? >> no. that's the perfect example. people don't vote on foreign policy, firstly, unless there's a major event like a terrorist attack or a war where american soldiers are on the battlefield. people don't vote on foreign policy. i don't think this election will be about foreign policy. governor bush at the time showed you can have very little knowledge and probably very little curiosity about foreign affairs and still be president. it's not going to hurt them and there are important questions people should ask them. do you want donald trump's fingers on the nuclear code? that's what hillary clinton clinton is going to say over and over again. >> it's an attitude, personality issue, a likability issue. trums has presented himself as the superior intellect. george bush didn't say i'm smart, you're all stupid. that's what the issue is. >> that was part of his charm.

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last night serena williams flirted with danger losing the first set but going on to take the next two to win her third round match at the u.s. open in new york city. she is now one step closer to achieving the hardest thing to do in tennis, winning a grand slam. that's all four major tournaments in one calendar year, something so difficult to do, no one has accomplished it in more than 25 years.

steffi graf was the last player to win a grand slam in 1988. before her only margaret court, rod labor, marine connolly an don budge have ever done it. this season serena has been talked about as not just the greatest women's player of all time, not just the greatest tennis player of all time of either sex, but also possibly the greatest athlete of all time period. will serena pull it off and become only the sixth tennis player ever to win a grand slam? here to help us figure it all out is another one of the greatest players in the game of tennis, stan smith, a former world number one winner of the u.s. open, and the name of your favorite pair of sneakers. >> hopefully. >> also, gigi fernandez, olympic gold medalist who won all four grand slam tournaments, although

not in the same year. thanks so much for being here. >> stan, let me start with you. why is it so hard to win a grand slam tournament? >> the parody today, particularly in both the men's and women's games is so good you have to win seven matches in four tournaments. there are different surfaces, different conditions. and it's a real test to be able to handle things when you're not playing their best. serena has done that this year. a lot of three-setters. she's been on the edge, she played heather watson at wimbledon, two points away from winning that match in the rupd of 16. she's going to be on the edge the next four matches if she gets that far. >> why is it serena, do you think, is the one who is poised to be this person? i loaded on a lot of accolades to her in terms of what people are saying about her, the greatest tennis player, greatest tennis player of both sections,

greatest athlete of all time. >> well, she is a great athlete and she's a great competitor. that's what's brought her through the last year of tough matches, of three-setters she's had to play. she's won a lot of three-setters. she's had to compete. when it gets near the edge, the other players don't think they can win. that's a big part of it. >> gigi, what do you think? >> i think she can play on every surface. the past greats had trouble whether it's on play or on hard or on grass. she's mastered all the surfaces. she's an amazing fighter. serena will not beat herself ever and not beat herself in this tournament. somebody is going to have to go out and beat four on hir to win a match against her. that's what makes her so tough. >> stan said something interesting, that the people who go up against her, at some point psychologically they just think, i can't win. how much of the game in general is ability and how much of it is

just psychology, either you getting in your own head or the person on the other side of that net getting in your head? >> certainly it becomes almost all mental. you have to have the skin. in the top five range it's pretty much who can come up with the goods under pressure. serena has shown that it doesn't matter whether it's 0-40 down for break point or the first round, she plays every point like it's match point. what was interesting about last night, even though she was eight points away from winning the match, in her post match interview she said she was not concerned because she knew she wasn't playing up to her leave. she knew she could raise her level. if she's playing at her highest level and she's getting people, that's when she'll get stressed out. it was interesting to me. >> she's got two tough matches coming up, madison keys has got almost as much fire power as she

does and she's a young gun. if she wins that, it looks like venus must be the next match. you've got so many psychological issues there that who knows? they play each other a lot and it's a terrible match to watch. you're either williams fans and you want both to win or you don't want them to win at all. the other side of the draw, there's three or four girls that have beaten her in the past and that will be the finals if she gets there. >> there's a lot of talk about serena williams retiring from tennis. what will that do to the women's game of tennis and what will it do to tennis overall? i want both of your reactions? gigi? >> hopefully she's not retiring any time soon. i think she still has three or four good years left in here. madison keys, this could be a break through moment for her. she has the power to beat serena a

. we're still in the early rounds, if she gets to sems semis or finals, she'll be hard to beat. >> if and when she retires, she'll be missed. i think there will be other players out there that will take the mantled and carry it well. there's a great depth in women's tennis and men's tennis. we'll see other great players along the way. she's a special one that may not be duplicated. >> this is a special moment to have you both here, stan smith and gigi fernandez, thank you for being here. still ahead, the progressive pope gets ready to play madison square garden. more on the reception he'll receive is coming up. the high drama continues in kentucky as the county clerk who refuses to issue marriage licenses sits in jail. we'll travel to kentucky for a live report. that's next. you can't always see them. but it's our job to find them. the answers. the solutions. the innovations. all waiting to help us build something better.

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it looks like the next republican presidential debate will be going to 11. organizers have a week and a half left to figure out how to cram 11 podiums on stage because what is basically the carly fiorina rule change.

the former hewlett packard ceo has been doing better in her performance following the debate last month. as we've already discussed this morning, she's been able to position herself as a more moderate voice than her competitors on issues like gay marriage in kentucky. until cnn changed her criteria, fiorina stood in danger of not making the cut once again despite being in the middle of the pack. what does she have to do now to make it to the top of the field? >> let's turn to sarah florez and karen tum el tea from "the washington post" covering fiorina on the trail. sarah, let me start with you. your boss is grabbing a lot of people's attention after the first debate, going after hillary clinton and just doing well in general. since then she's also been critical of jeb bush for comments he's made about women's issues and donald trump for comments he's made basically

about women. hats the strategy for carly fiorina for debate two? >> i don't think she'll have a problem standing out. the political class has failed most of americans. whatever your problem is, they haven't resolved it's lex after election after election. she goes into the debate strong and will have a message that resonates again. >> the latest poll shows donald trump is still in the lead with 30%, ber carson with 13%. carly fiorina tied at 4%. many people say you add up those numbers and you see someone that's not a career politician. do you view those the same way? >> i would say in new hampshire and iowa she's actually in third place. we don't have a national primary, it's important to look at those state polls as well. i think again people are really looking for someone outside the

political class. they're ready for citizen leadership. i think carly brings that to the table in spades. >> my question to you is do you think a carly voter and a ben carson voter and a donald trump voter, are they all interchangeable? >> no. i think voters will make their decision based on a 234u8 ber of metrics, on issues and who they think can get the job done. when it comes to carly, she can win this job and she can do this job as i think you saw in the hugh hewitt interview. >> karen, you've been listening to sarah and reporting following carly fiorina's campaign. why do you think fiorina is appealing to voters? >> i think the settings in which voters have seen are including, at the so-called kid's table in the last debate, showed in this particular kind of forum, she really does seem to have the instincts of a fighter piloted. she's probably better than

anyone other than donald trump with the sort of counter attack, the jab, the good line. the kind of dilemma for her in this debate i think is going to be whether she shows off those skills. she has a line that republicans love ability hillary clinton where she says travel is an activity, not an achievement, reference to hillary clinton's boasts about her secretary of state days. does she show off that side or does she use this opportunity to present sort of more about her own vision and what she would bring to the oval office. >> i want to play a clip of donald trump from "morning joe" yesterday talking about the iran deal. sarah, i want to get your reaction on the other side. >> i know it would be very popular for me to do what a couple of them said. we're going to rip it up, we're going to rip it up. i would say most of the people around the table, we have an agreement, a horrible 2k3wr50e789. i will make it so tough, and if they break it, they will have

hell to pay. >> before you respond, let me say carly with nbc's hallie jackson this week. >> here is what i would do on day one in the oval office, two phone calls, the first to bb netanyahu, my got friend to say we'll stay with the state of israel always. the second to the supreme leader of iran who may not take my phone call, but basically saying new deal. >> does she still stand by that, will she refuse to accept this deal if approved by congress and she becomes president? >> the short answer is yes, but i think it's also important to note some of the background here. carly has extensive national security experience, chairman of the external advisory board for the central intelligence agency. she's advised secretaries of state, homeland security, defense. she doesn't come to this as a novice by any means. she probably knows more world leaders on the stage than anyone else running with the possible

exception of hillary clinton. i think when she taugs about a deal with iran, she's obviously been a ceo and made thousands of deals in her life. i think i'd take her at her word, she knows what she's talking about. >> karen, carly fiorina is polling well in iowa, but moving at a slower pace in national polls. how can she broaden her support or can she? >> i think all these candidates should be paying attention to state-by-state polls and not even looking at the national polls. the thing that is going to move you fastest in the national polls is winning a few of those early contests. >> sarah is ger flores with the fiorina campaign and karen tum allity with "the washington post." thanks for coming in this morning. >> thank you. here is the chair pope francis will be sitting in when he presides over mass at madison square garden later this month. why he'll probably be sitting pretty for his entire visit. k a.

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the countdown is on for the first visit of pope francis to the united states scheduled to travel to new york, warrick warrick and philadelphia later this month. the chair he'll sit in at madison square garden is anner difficult indication of the kind of attention his visit will receive. pope francis is hugely popular with americans of all religions. that favorable opinion of francis probably has a lot to do with some of his more progressive views. two years ago he struck a more conciliatory tone on homosexuality saying, quote, if someone is gay and searches for the lord and have good will, who am i to judge? according to a newly released poll from pew, 44% of american catholics still say homosexuality is a sin but nearly as many say it is not.

last month francis told priests the church who treats catholics who divorce and remarry better. the poll found 83% of american catholics say it's acceptable for children to be raised by divorced parents. 87% say it's acceptable for a single parent to raise kids and 66% kids say it's acceptable for gay and lesbian children to raise children. here is sister simone campbell, executive director of the catholic organization network and author of "a nun on the bus." thank you so much, sister simone for being here. >> great to be with you, jonathan. >> pope francis is more progressive than previous popes on several social issues. is he reacting to the changing attitudes of the catholic population? >> i think pope francis is quite unlike our politicians that kind of blow with what political wind is. i think he's much more about the gospel and the fact he comes from a place of love and loving

those who have struggled because he's been a pastor in argentina, he knows the struggle of people who are divorced, of the lbgt community, challenges faced by ordinary people. it's in that response in love, inclusion -- you talked about an economy of inclusion. he's creating a church of inclusion. a wonderful step forward. >> two-thirds of all americans view pope francis favorably. why is he so popular among non-catholics? >> day before yesterday i was talking to a member of congress and he said to me i'm a methodist, but he's my pope. what he went on to say was that he really loves the way that pope francis is inclusive but speaks candidly about the struggles of our time, that he's not afraid to speak of the fact that the economy is so divisive, that the environment is such an urgent need and the fact that the crisis we have in our world

is a crisis of expectation. that candor is refreshing as well as the way in love that includes everyone in the conversation. he can't leave them out. >> i want to bring the panel in here. i have to tell you, when the pope said what he said about homosexuality, it was the first time i had ever heard a pontiff speak with a warm and open heart about gay people. and it's because of that and some other things that he has said that, not just non-catholics, i have heard of people who say they are atheists say that pope francis is their pope, that they love this guy. >> as a person of faith, i'm not catholic, but i describe myself as a table flipping christian just to align myself with sort of being a christian here. it is definitely great to hear someone, not only of faith, but

leadership around the world, demonstrate the love that those of us of faith consistently see in scripture and also should be played out in every day life in particular policy. those of us who are of faith who are still fighting for social justice and for equal representation and equal rights want to see, and it's great that the pope can embody that for the world. >> he comes off as a breath of fresh air i think to christian progressives, but also agnostic progressives who are used to previous popes addressing abortion and so forth. he's also talking about society needing to take care of the vulnerable. he had them teaching on climate change. this is not something anyone expected to see from a pope. the fact that that's an increasingly important issue we're talking about on a political level, substantive

level, policy level, it moves the debate. it changes minds. >> i'm more of a theological conservative, ideological conservative, but the fact that the pope is refreshing is a pox on the church. that should not be on the church. the i think it's great that the pope is loving, he's talking about loving your neighbor and i think we need to focus o a lot more on poverty and view poverty as a social and cultural issue and that can bring together the left and the right. >> do you believe the pope is offering availed criticism of conservative philosophy? >> yes, i think he is a corrective against an element of the church that has not not fully expressed what the scriptures teach about loving your neighbor. >> i see what you mean. let me bring in sister simone, your reaction to what you just heard?

>> i did want to jump in on that. pope francis is extremely clear that the role of politics is to control the economy. the only way we'll have an economy of inclusion is if politics provides an appropriate bound on the free market capitalism. he also says that all of creation has, what we believe in private ownership has a mortgage, a social mortgage to be used for the common good. now, that teaching is challenging for liberals and conservatives, because what it means is the focus of our work has got to be to address the issues of disparity, address this crisis of exploitation which is both a conservative and liberal issue. we've got to make change and make sure that all are included in the economy, but politics at the heart of it has got to be controlling the economy. that is a big change for our nation. >> given what sister simone just said, how uncomfortable should

members of congress be when you have the leader of the catholic church, pope francis, addressing them later this month. i think it's either september 22nd or september 24th, joint session of congress. how uncomfortable should they be? >> they shouldn't be uncomfortable. they should welcome the discussion, the debate. i would take issue with the fact that politics should, quote, control the economy. that sends us down a very dangerous path toward a redistribution system, the dark side of socialism which is shared misery. i would take great issue with some of the pope's economic ideas. i don't think the job of politics is to control. it's to create a process by which those differences can be resolved peacefully. >> sister simone, you respond. >> i think we think of control as -- the only way we think of it as this centrally controlled economy. that's not what he's talking about. what he's talking about is appropriate measures that limit the huge economic disparity that we currently have.

currently congress is pretty stalemated in a politics that is crippled partially because of private money in politics. so what he's calling us to do is to say the role of politicians -- he's very clear on this -- is a noble occupation and what we need to do is offset the excesses in our economic systems, the excesses of exploitation. that's not a centrally planned economy, not socialism. it's offsetting excess es and that's things like glass teagual or the other ways of managing markets that have been effective in the path that need to be reinstituted. >> on that note we'll have to end the conversation. everyone wants to july in. sister simone campbell, you're a hero forgetting up so early in san francisco. >> nad to do it. a beloved television draw ma has a big fan in buckingham

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well, you get into the details -- >> as you can tell we are still -- they are still talking about the last segment with sister simone. we were talking about the pope. but there's other stuff going on for us to get caught up on the other the headlines making news with today's panel. today's boisterous, can't stop talking before we come on air panel. we have been teasing the hell out of this, because it's really fascinating. the queen, queen elizabeth ii, loves downton abby and loves to spot historical mistakes. author of "at home with the queen" and she will pass queen victoria as the longest serving british monarch. that's pretty good. and downton abby will have the

final season in the u.k., but not until the 3rd in the united states. the queen is sitting with the feet up on the ottoman and saying that's not right or true. >> i love this. so now i want them to do a contest and come and win an opportunity to watch downton abbey with the queen. i would save money to do this. someone who watches this show, you know, i'm like -- she sits and says oh, no, that's not right. like that belongs on the left side. that that's fascinating. >> apparently, she stayed at the castle in downton abbey. well, i want to move from the british royal family to the saudi royal family. you live in washington, right? you live in washington, john? so you know where the four seasons is in washington. just up where pennsylvania

avenue and "m" street meet. well, the king of saudi arabia is in town and he is -- when foreign leaders do, they come and stay at a hotel. might take a room or a floor. king solomon of saudi arabia bought out the entire hotel. all 222 rooms at the four seasons hotel in georgetown from thursday through today. >> wow. >> i mean, that's some serious coin. we knew the saudis were really wealthy, but that's a lot of money. >> must be nice. >> you go to the traffic angle, it's washington. >> let me go to the serious angle. one thing that bernie sanders on the democratic side is talking about is that he says saudi arabia which has the third largest military in the world has to get in and fight isis, that the countries in the region need to play a bigger role and not rely on the united states to do that. i wonder if president obama will

bring it up. >> why not let some of the syrian refugees stay there? i mean, that sends a very bad signal internationally. you're going to rent out an entire hotel and meanwhile you have a humanitarian crisis in your neighborhood. >> well this is -- >> well, this is king solomon's first visit to the united sta s states -- official visit to the united states to the white house. and no doubt when you're talking with the king of saudi arabia, the refugee crisis must come up. what's happening in syria in terms of the war, all sorts of things, the iran deal. all of that must be on the agenda. i mean, right? absolutely. >> yeah. >> speaking of bringing the conversation closer, back to home, and to the political season that we're in,olic did a story and they talked to a lot of early state gop insiders and they're saying that scott walker, governor walker of wisconsin, is the biggest loser of the summe do you agree with that? >> i think there's a case to be

made. he's plummeting in the polls. he's had a difficult time coming to a clear stance from the beginning on birth right citizenship. he had three different positions in a week. on the issue of a wall on the northern border with canada, which nobody wants to do in the country, he said it was a legitimate issue. he said he was considering it and then a day or two later said he was not. these are missteps. >> and certainly coming from -- he was potentially the darling, sort of the -- you know, coming from a state where he bought -- fought back the unions and he fought back against this and sort of not using any of that or effectively in the campaign season is a loss. >> john? >> i would say the breadth of our field represents the strength of or party in the movement. we have 17 interesting candidates. most i think are presidential, not all. but the fact is we have 17 people in a sedan. so everybody is packed in,

donald trump is out the sunroof waving his hands. >> a good one. >> and scott walker is kind of in the back seat smashed between the other candidates doing some awkward movements to get noticed. >> can he fight his way out? can he go back to being the darling? >> well, this is a critical -- this is the tipping point for him. the risk for him is if he doesn't. he could end up being the tim pawlenty of the race. >> i'm going to put it out there, i knew that kermit and miss piggy broke up. what i didn't know is that look at that kermit has a new babe. right there on the screen. denise is the new girlfriend of kermit the frog. i don't know about you, but i'm team miss piggy. same way i am team angelina jolie. [ laughter ] and with that, i want to thank this morning's panel. and thank you for getting up with us today. join us tomorrow, sunday morning at 8 clock.

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this morning my question -- miley, what's good? plus, what may be the shortest maternity leave in the country. she's a ceo. and the chicago hunger strikers trying to save a school. but first, the pope is coming to america. >> good morning. i'm melissa harris-perry. in 17 day, pope francis will land in the united states to much fanfare. his five-day visit includes a speech before a joint session of congress, as well as visits to an east harlem school here in new york city. and a prison in philadelphia. cities along the route are preparing for increased traffic and ux