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>> the emotional toll here is like water torture. every day it's like a drip, drip, drip. >> always somebody bugging out, always somebody causing trouble in the cell house. >> i'm not a man till i can tell you that. >> [ bleep ] >> it really wears on you after awhile. you know, you got to get away from it. >> [ bleep ]. i really like birds. they're pretty neat. >> "lockup" crews have met hundreds of inmates facing long-term sentences. for some like dale veers at iowa state penitentiary, that means the chance to pick up a new skill or two. >> you start out with a block. then cut it down. and then i keep grinding and shaping it until i get it where
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it's supposed to be. >> a life sentence for kidnapping has given viers a chance to master bird carving. >> i kept the very first bird i ever carved because i just knew that i would get better. that is the first one i carved. that's my duck head. duck's getting a little bit better. i have another bird here. they get better. >> when we met him, viers was hard at work on his most elaborate piece yet. >> i have a robin pulling a worm out of the ground. >> he even had a live model to work with. >> i've got a worm in here. see? he's alive. i've had him for three weeks. so i can get the color and everything right when i make it. >> viers is hardly alone when it comes to finding creative ways to kill time. at first our crew thought indiana state prison inmate donte kidd's stack of toilet paper with a mirror on top was
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some form of abstract art. but he had a far more practical reason for pushing his creation into the corridor outside his cell. >> for those who don't have tvs, sometimes they try to watch it off the range, something like that, fuss put it on the range, catch the reflection of an individual tv in the next cell. and just sit back and watch tv. >> kidd is serving time for drug sales dreamt up his creation when his own tv stopped working. >> i call it a porta tv stand. actually because toilet paper, porta stand. tv. parta stand. just a little jailhouse ingenuity. not as good as high def. you know what i mean? >> while the quality of kidd's television viewing might be compromised, other inmates lose the privilege altogether for causing trouble. >> i don't have a tv. they took all my privileges for spitting on that dude. so it's like i don't know, probably take my privileges and, like, good time, that don't matter here. there ain't no sunshine here, man. >> when we met edwin smith, he had been at colorado state penitentiary for less than a month just starting a 30-year sentence for cutting a man's
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throat in a bar fight. he lost his television privileges for spitting on an officer during intake and things were about to go even further downhill. >> mentally, you have to take it [ bleep ]. you can't really fight with someone. >> the night before our interview with him, smith had received a lesson in supermax security when he chose to hold up in his cell. >> we're here to perform a cell extraction on inmate smith, edwin. the reason for the extraction is the inmate refused to come out for a cell search. >> smith's actions triggered colorado's emergency response team. one of their primary functions is to extract uncooperative inmates from their cells. >> when our crews follow a cell extraction, it's one of the most intense moments on "lockup." it's when an inmate refuses to cuff up or come out of the cell or is doing damage to the cell and the special response team is called in. >> need you to cuff up. if you refuse to cuff up we will introduce o.c. gas in your cell. >> what's that? >> you'll find out. it's a chemical agent.
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>> it's almost like watching a car chase on tv. you know the inmate's not going to win. the officers have the equipment, pepper spray, stun shields, handcuffs, the manpower. >> one last chance to cuff up. inmate refuses, introduce gas. >> ow! whoo! >> the gas quickly convinces smith to cooperate with correctional staff. >> strip down to your boxers. take your shirt off. turn around. when we open this door, i want you to drop straight down to your knees, do you understand me? >> yes. >> because of the spitting incident when he first arrived, officers cover smith's head with a spit net. >> we're going to put a net over your head.
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don't pull away from us. >> i can't breathe. it's been hell, man. they threw gas on me and degraded me, treated me like an animal. i can't breathe. ow! >> as long as you're compliant, you'll get a decontamination shower. >> the more you rub the more it's going to burn. >> oh, really? now you tell me. >> as far as cell extractions go, smith's was fairly routine. it was a different story at the spring creek correctional center in alaska. >> [ bleep ]. >> prisoner demonstrated aggressive agitated behavior by using abusive language and continually banging on his cell walls causing injury to his hands and wrists. >> when spring creek's extraction team was called to remove steven blevins from his
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cell, he was in a state of rage and had been pounding the walls with his bare fists for over an hour. >> [ bleep ] come on come on come on. >> but when we first met blevins, he was in a much calmer state as he told us how mental illness led to murder. >> i fell in june of '93, psychotic delusion, out on a fishing boat. i attributed it to working too much, too long, too hard. and basically tweaked out and killed a couple guys. i've been fishing out of dutch harbor for about 4 1/2 years. and never thought about murder, never contemplated killing somebody. but a guy walked by me one time and just -- i thought that he was going to kill me and i killed him and another guy first. >> how? >> with a knife, fishing knife. just a six-inch fishing knife in the chest did it fine. >> were you hearing voices? what was going on? >> no, no. it's kind of a story line.
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i just -- i believed they were going to kill me. and a moment passed that when i thought they were going to do it now. and i was either going to be killed by them or kill them first. and i decided to kill them first. i didn't say nothing to them or talk about it to them. i just did it, you know, and threw them into the bay. >> blevins almost got away with the double murder. he told state troopers looking for the missing men that they had quit their jobs and had moved on. but when blevins tried to leave the state, his anger resurfaced. >> next day was my time to ship out, and i assaulted a guy at the airport. so the troopers found me for the second time in three days or whatever and they went back to the boat and found the blood and the bodies.
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and -- >> how did they find the bodies? >> one floated up on the spit. the other was sunk beneath the stern of the boat. >> when we met him, blevins was taking medication to correct the chemical imbalance that drove him to kill. the prison gave us permission to interview him. >> as long as i take the medication twice a day, i can stay on the compound. you know? >> what happens if you don't? >> what happens is if i refuse it, in a matter of maybe three days, they're going to use whatever means they need to use to put the drugs in me. >> the prison provided this dramatic evidence of what does happen when blevins goes off his meds. >> what you gonna do? i can be like this now for an hour from now. [ bleep ] come on. >> his behavior has increased in the past two days. mental health recommended the restraint chair be used. so he does not cause any harm to himself. >> blevins, come over here and
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talk to me for a minute. if you don't cuff up, we will come in on you and use oc. >> [ bleep ] come and get me. come and get me. coming up, the extraction team moves in. and later -- >> this is your maximum security unit inside of a maximum security prison. >> killing time in the hole. >> i'm being accused of attempted murder to a staff. [ bleep ] to clean the oceans, to start a movement, or lead a country. it may not be obvious yet, but one of these kids is going to change the world. we just need to make sure she has what she needs. welcome to windows 10. the future starts now for all of us.
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come over here and cuff up. >> [ bleep ]. >> with blevins refusing orders to cuff up, it's up to the prison's special response team to forcefully remove him from his cell so that he can be given his medication. first, they attempt to subdue him with pepper spray. >> mr. blevins, cuff up. >> the burning spray eventually brings compliance. >> ah! >> blevins is removed from his cell and sedated. he is strapped into a restraint chair and watched until he no longer poses a threat to himself. >> mr. blevins, do you have any
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injuries you want to report? no? >> never crossed my mind one time other than to tell someone that i'm not interested in doing it. you know? >> today, spring creek staff uses medication and therapy to help blevins serve his 45-year sentence. >> even though he's done a horrible double murder, he's still a person and he has to have some kind of human contact. so what i try to focus on is just a relationship. we try to be alert to prisoners' mental status, to make sure they're not thinking of harming themselves or someone else. beyond that, we try to help them be together enough to serve their time and serve it as quietly and peacefully as possible. >> serving time quietly and peacefully is exactly how we found ramona rosario. in the gym at the north carolina correctional institution for women. she was a long way from home. >> i'm originally from dominican republic.
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i live in new york city. and that was my first time that i come to north carolina, and i got in trouble. >> seven years earlier, rosario agreed to carry a package for a friend. she's now serving 18 to 24 years for trafficking heroin. >> i don't know anyone down here. i need to go home and be with my children. my children need me, and i think i have done enough time. >> rosario told us that she had one source of comfort from the seemingly endless amount of time she must be away from home. then she showed us what it was. ♪ amazing grace how sweet the sound ♪ ♪ that saved a wretch like me i like to sing. i've been singing since i was little. i remember when i used to sing
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in my country when i was like 5, 6 years old. i've been singing a long time. now i have to sing in here. ♪ my mother, she sing beautiful, and i think it's the talent in the family. ♪ >> but not all inmates make such harmonious use of their time or their voices. [ bleep ] >> i wish death on all you [ bleep ]. >> at iowa state penitentiary, our crew went inside the unit that houses the state's most chronic offenders, cell house 220. known inside the walls as the
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hole. >> shut up! [ bleep ] you. >> this is unit cell house 220, the disciplinary detention unit for long-term disciplinary detention inmates. this is your maximum security unit inside of a maximum security prison. here's where we house all the disciplinary detention inmates that couldn't be handled in our general population area. now we have to deal with them over here. >> the co's told us these inmates are among the most incorrigible of all inmates within the prison. and my observation was that they seemed to be lacking in the ability to restrain their impulsive behavior. >> i'm in here for cutting myself and stuff like that. getting a bunch of reports for flooding my cell and stuff like that. >> and some are in for more violent deeds. our female producer was warned to keep a safe distance from luis nieves. >> just don't get too close. >> i'm being accused of attempted murder to the staff.
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>> nieves is known at iowa state as the monster. he was appealing a murder conviction when we met him. >> were your victims or alleged victims mostly women or all women or what? >> i'm not allowed to say that. >> convicted of brutally killing a woman on the outside, he's in disciplinary detention for viciously assaulting a female prison worker. he claims the charges were made up. >> sometimes they got to cover their ass. they don't want to lose their pretty job. without this job, they ain't nothing. on the other hand, job or no job, i'm still going to be the same individual. >> do you consider yourself a totally innocent man? >> i'm not an angel, i can tell you that. but i'm not a monster like everybody tells me to be. >> in the cell next to nieves, we met robert harris. >> it's bad. all there is to do in here is -- you got to listen to other people banging on stuff, officers constantly running in
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on them and cussing. just a lot of crazy stuff. you know, what i call thugs. there's always bugging out, always somebody causing trouble in the cell house. >> harris is serving ten years for forgery in order to obtain prescription narcotics. it's his behavior inside the institution that keeps him in 220. >> i'm in here on like three assaults. >> in fact, just days before our crew arrived, harris assaulted an officer escorting him to the shower. >> putting urine in a cup, mixing shampoo with it, he was in the shower taking a shower, takes it and throws it in the officer's face when the officer comes by. >> because i was so mad. right? i just wanted to prove to them there ain't nothing they can do to me or make me do what they want me to do. >> i don't want you to think every inmate we have in here is raising hell and causing problems. but there is a goodly number
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that is doing that. >> and for many of these inmates, killing time becomes cruel sport. our cameras rolled as they unleashed a seemingly endless barrage of insults on each other. >> hey, brian, you talk about how you suck [ bleep ] out at the rec pen. hey -- >> you show your [ bleep ]? >> he's really in here for prostitution. >> this is a very harsh environment for them because the other inmates will egg them on. they're very easily persuaded. >> you're special, brian. >> i like to say on camera -- pants down and show all the inmates' butts. >> when i get out to the yard and i see these people out there, i'm going to smash them. that's what it all amounts to. up next -- >> you don't feel like you're going to hurt anybody else? >> no. >> okay. >> the inmates in iowa's cell
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cell house 220 at iowa state penitentiary houses the most disruptive inmates in the entire state. this is administrative segregation, also known as ad seg. >> the first time i entered ad seg, i was completely blown away by the cacophony of noise. every single prisoner seemed to be screaming at the top of their lungs and every single scream was an insult directed toward someone else. >> iowa state penitentiary is a maximum security institution, and there are challenges every day just by a virtue of the type of inmate we have here. many are here because of their lengthy sentences but an awful lot of them are here by virtue of their conduct at other prisons. this is the end of the road for
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them. >> and our cameras were rolling as the latest van full of trouble arrived. >> we're expecting 12 inmates coming in. they'll be processed in, their photos taken, height and weight and they'll be processed and sent to the appropriate cell houses. >> among those on their way to cell house 220 is jeremy fickling, a baby-faced inmate with a penchant for violence. fickling is serving four years for assaulting a police officer. he was transferred to iowa state for allegedly throwing bodily fluids on a correctional officer. >> you don't feel like you're going to hurt anybody else? >> no. >> if things change, you're feeling bad, feeling like you might hurt yourself or somebody else, you need to tell the officers, okay? all right. >> despite his sheepish demeanor, officers aren't about to take any chances. a police dog escorts fickling all the way to 220. >> some of the inmates are assaultive.
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that's why they're here, a little extra security. >> entering the unit, fickling is both a new topic of conversation and a new target. >> what do we have now? >> a-2. >> they got the camera on him? >> yeah. >> don't do it, jeremy. it's a setup. don't do it. >> tell me what's been going on since you've been in prison. where did you come from today? >> i came from state anamosa penitentiary due to an inmate causing some problems. they accused me of throwing -- >> hang on. hang on. >> as our cameras roll, fickling's new neighbors continually attempt to disrupt the interview. >> i'm scared to death where i'm at because i don't know what's going to happen. you know. supposedly they say this is the worst penitentiary in iowa. >> but as we learned later, fickling's new neighbors have equal cause to be wary of him. >> the reason i'm mainly in lockup is because i got in a fight. that was my original thing while i was in ft. dodge.
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i assaulted an officer with urine and feces. >> i don't want to sound ignorant. how do you use your bodily fluids and throw it on somebody? >> i mean -- i used a cup. i mean, there's crazier inmates. they'll put [ bleep ] in their hand and throw it at you. i mean, you got inmates that will smear it on the walls and write graffiti. it just depends on what your mind frame is. that's not me. you know. i don't do that kind of thing, because, i mean, that shows like a little kid, you know, a little kid playing in the toilet or something. it's not a grown man thing, you know? but obviously i couldn't get to him, and he kept disrespecting me on the range. so i just dumped in my toilet. there was some pissy water in there and i winged it on him. water, whatever was in my toilet at the time that i done it. >> as we concluded our interview, cell house 220 was finally calm. but fickling's final words to us indicated things might not remain so. >> me, i don't know, i'll probably mess up somewhere along
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here's what's happening. a funeral service begins within the hour for lieutenant joe gliniewicz, illinois police officer killed in the line of duty on tuesday. the minnesota dentist who killed cecil the lion is breaking his silence today. walter palmer says he will return to his practice tomorrow. kim davis, the kentucky clerk who was jailed last week after refoosing to issue same-sex marriage licenses, has filed an appeal to allow her to leave prison. back to "lockup."
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behind bars, tattooing is more than a favorite pastime, it's a passion, if not an addiction in every prison we visited. >> that's the first thing they do when they come in here, tattoo their body up. >> tattooing's cool. it's a fun thing to do. >> some of them don't make a bit of sense but they have them on there, they're covered. they all want them. >> i've got a couple years on a grave stone down here, a couple of my prison years, just a bunch of evil, crazy stay stuff. i was going through a bunch of stuff at that time. >> go to almost any prison in america and you'll find an amazing assortment of tattoos. >> it's gotten to a point where we have a standard question that our field producers ask the inmates. can you tell me about your tats? >> as you can see, i'm tattooed up. i'm from south vallejo.
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i represent south vallejo, always have, always will. 707, solana county. >> done by a good friend of mine. his name's carlos. we call him oso. this is joey. good homies, you know? >> i got all of my dead homies on my stomach, across my chest, on my forearms. all dead homies. joe joe, nicky, melody, harper. little bobby. you know, so on and so forth. >> the one that means a lot to me is the one on the back. the guy is dead though. he got out of prison and did an overdose. joseph did this, came back for 36 years. caught his lady in bed with somebody else. x xwl. >> the three stars, they stand for something, too, i won tell you about that. >> they may list their street gang or their neighborhood where they gang-banged on the streets. >> the whole tattoo thing really needs to be evaluated on an individual level. you ask me, i tell you what mine mean. someone else may mean something else.
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used to be you went to prison, you put spiderwebs on your arms. nowadays, certain gangs are using spiderwebs as murder symbols. >> lot of people trip out on it. that's just a part of life. >> are there messages in here? >> a lot of evil stuff. i like kicking it out there with the vipers and stuff. total mercy. back on up, you know what i mean? i can beat you down, show no mercy on you, that's for sure. because i don't even know you. disrespect me or somebody's going to come up to me and try to jack me up, i'll get them first, you know what i mean? it's every man for himself. >> but some prison tattoos can cause trouble. that's what charles pelham, an inmate at san quentin discovered about the tattoo on his forehead. but first, we asked about his missing leg. >> i had an accident, i fell off of a moving freight train and the wheel ran over me, crushed
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my foot. >> then he showed us the troublesome tattoo. >> it's a tattoo of a nazi flag. you know, it's supposed to mean that i represent the nazi clan. the rest of the brothers of the lodge, so to speak. i had this put on my face when i was a youngster. you understand? i wanted to make a political statement. i also wanted to impress my girlfriend, but it impressed her the wrong way and she got rid of me. >> why do you wear the hat? >> because there's people in here that tell me the thing on my face is not cool and they don't want to have to look at it. so i wear the hat and that's peace in the valley. does that explain anything? had a tattoo encounter quite moment that i first set eyes on curtis algire.
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face, first time i saw him peeking out of that cell i was tony peak were covered head to >> how do you deal with the they come up with methods to do it. >> it's a serious enough violation that it can land an inmate in the hole for months. >> i just did 14 months in the hole. >> why? >> prison tattoos are applied homemade tat guns and ink that are often confiscated during
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battery or electrical socket or that when we came back in the artists is to not recognize an tattooing, you run the risk of getting in trouble. plus, i mean, it's not as clean it's a highly sterilized process all the shops and stuff, it's we have to use, pens and guitar sonic sterilizers and that stuff
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they have out there on the new needles, stuff like that. classes, you know the proper sterilizations techniques. it's a part of the prison out there now, too. it's a legitimate trade on the streets, and if they would promote it here, it would be a pretty good trade. people would get out of here licensed. you can even tattoo, yourself, people can get out, go out i think if they just let us do coming up on "lockup: columnist like george will -- read about katrina responses, president bush and his budget cuts. you'd be surprised, we discuss and later -- steel bars give way to heavy metal.
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it's monday at california's kern valley state prison. for inmate marcus armstrong, that means it's laundry day. >> a lot of guys don't trust the laundry. we do the laundry ourselves. some do it in the sink. me, i do it in the shower so i can really get it clean. soap it up, rinse it out, wring it out. get a little workout in the meantime. good as new after two hours. just like mamma taught me. >> it's also the best night for television. >> monday night, primetime tv come on and i watch the primetime shows.
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my favorite shows right now are "24," "smallville," "grey's anatomy," "desperate housewives." you know what i'm saying? i love you, bree. >> armstrong's weekly routine will continue indefinitely. he's serving 25 years to life for first-degree murder. >> sometimes i can see the victim in my case when i'm walking, you know what i'm saying? it's like a demon that never goes away. i have dreams about it, you know? >> the victim was a friend who learned that armstrong was involved in drug dealing and credit card fraud. >> she was an ex-girlfriend of mine, but we still lived together at the time. so at the time i guess you could say she was a roommate, you know what i'm saying? she was finding out what i was doing. it started infringing on her life. and she started getting scared and tried to stop me and didn't listen. and there's been this discrepancy now as to what she was going to the police and talking about and who she was
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telling who -- more than anything, who i was involved with. and it led to her -- i can't even phrase it. it shouldn't have happened, what happened to her shouldn't have happened to her. >> armstrong told us he chose to plead guilty even though he wasn't the hit man. >> i knew what happened. i was definitely complicit. i could have stopped it and i didn't. i can't blame anybody but myself personally. my mom and dad are married. i am from the inner city but it was in the good part of the inner city. went to one of the best schools in the bay area, saint francis high school. mostly middle class families. i don't have no excuse for being here. >> once in prison, armstrong earned an additional six-year sentence. >> the sergeant sprayed a guy in a wheelchair for no reason. i didn't like it, and i harmed him. >> what does that mean? >> i physically hurt him. >> other police came and they >> that impulse to defend disabled inmates is now a key
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part of how he spends his long days in prison. >> i'm an a.d.a. supporter. that means i help the wheelchair people, anybody that have canes, wheelchairs, whatever, and i'm also a slash porter. i keep the pod clean. in the morning, sweep the pods, clean the sinks, keep everything clean. once i get that done, i go to the wheelchair guys and see if they need anything done. i'll keep their wheelchairs clean. push them to chow, push them to >> the emotional toll here, it's like water torture. every day it's like a drip, if i got out of here tomorrow, i know i would not come back. i honestly say if i got there tomorrow i know i would not come out there tomorrow, i know i won't come back. i don't deserve to come back tomorrow. i can honestly tell you, unless
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that gets my juices going. discovered a captive audience for his brand of political >> i have a subscription to "usa i let everybody read it. i write little comments. you'd be surprised, we discuss we discuss issues. conversations we have in here, of questioning from our producer on the pin-ups decorating his >> are these all your minority based magazines. but sided toward the hip hop get tired of looking at gray they're not nude, they're all >> they're very artistic, marcus.
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they're not rehabilitating anybody. i come from a school background. you know, people, i got out tomorrow and i'm pretty intelligent. if i got out there tomorrow i would be lost. think of these guys with fifth grade educations here. a lot of guys came here, level getting out, they're not you know what i'm saying? jesus went to the lowest to low if you reach these guys, they'll be your most powerful warriors you'd be surprised. give some of these guys a chance. but a lot of these guys deserve a chance. >> when inmates rage against the anybody, i take it out on miss de the difference
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cooped up in small cells, rarely seen beyond prison walls and razor wire, doing time inevitably takes a toll. >> as crowded as this place is, there's a lot of tension. seems like no matter where you go, you're bumping into someone. you know, and that really wears on you after a while. you know, you got to get away from it. >> inmate tommy miser never told us what landed him in iowa's anamosa state penitentiary, but when he showed us what he does to escape, it blew our crew away. ♪ anamosa is one of two prisons we visited with a music room fully stocked with instruments. inmates who earn the privilege come here to jam.
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