trump leading in the polls says that the deal is, quote, amateur hour. >> never, ever, ever in my life have i seen any transaction so incompetently negotiated as our deal with iran. if i win the presidency, i guarantee you that those four prisoners are back in our country before i ever take office. i guarantee that. >> sarah palin also taking the stage. her speech interrupted as a protester was led away. but the nuke deal is essentially done deal legislateively. nbc news first read cautions, quote, consider today a day full of sound and fury and signifying nothing. nbc's katy tur at the rally in washington with more than nothing as far as the attendees

were concerned. what did you see? >> reporter: it's grand standing. this is a partisan event. it is a majority of tea party event with supporters but you have ted cruz, donald trump, glenn beck, sarah palin, michelle bachmann. these are people who say they might be trying to convince potentially wavering senate democrats to vote no on this and speaking to voters and speaking to a certain base of voters who they believe they need to convince that they are on or they're against the iran deal and coming out here and saying it's terrible deal, ted cruz saying he would rip it up. saying it will wipe israel off the planet and speaking to people to try to convince for them in the primaries and then ultimately in the general election but with what we have is ted cruz keynote speaker of this event inviting donald trump who ended up headlining the event to get more people out here to pay attention to this rally and about 2,000 people did show up to hear what many had to

say. most of them here to see what donald trump had to say and he was speaking very loudly and strongly about what a terrible deal he thinks this is. he says he would get the four prisoners back even before getting into office and iran knows this and did not specify how exactly to do this. same sort of rhetoric of donald trump, grand promises of what he'll do not necessarily backed up with substance. i did ask him off the stage if this is a done deal what is the point of doing this? he says that everybody who votes for this deal, all the democrats who vote for this deal should all be voted out of office and where he stands and he says he would not rip up the deal getting into office and try to enforce that contract as strictly as possible and much of the same from him about the iran deal already hearing for the past few weeks so nothing really new at this rally so far, ari. >> on the politics, you have been traveling with donald

trump. you have talked about the crowds and the energy he's summoned. it is unaushl to have two rivals, cruz and trump out there together. did trump look comfortable in that format and did he look dominant on the foreign policy details, not a subject he's known for? >> reporter: he looks comfortable, certainly. he always looks comfortable no matter where he is. in terms of dominant on foreign policy details, no, he doesn't look dominant on foreign policy details. cruz looked much more dominant there with specifics and specific groups and trump talking in much more general terms and i asked the supporters whether they think he has enough foreign policy experience to be president. they said maybe not necessarily here but he would be able to gain that and one thing you hear from trump supporters is they believe that he has the ability to delegate and that's who they're voting for, a businessman to delegate the jobs to the appropriate people and even though it's wild thing that some people might hear, they do

say that they believe that he has this ability because they watched him on "the apprentice" and it's been deeply embedded a lot of supporters' psyches that he is a good businessman and that he knows what he is doing and so when he gets up there and doesn't know the names of the leaders of hamas or isis, they don't necessarily fault him for that because they believe that he will be able to become enough of an expert getting into office and that he will be able to find the people that should be in charge of those areas and he would appoint them to those roles so when you're talking about a gotcha question and not being fluent in foreign policy, not necessarily going to hurt him at this stage at least, ari. >> all right. thank you for your reporting. joining us, molly o'toole and josh barrow. molly, starting with you, when you look at what we heard today, how did the political criticisms

of this deal differ at all from what foreign policy experts have said about it? is there any daylight there? >> certainly. and the even the political arguments they run the ga mutt. we have people such as senator ted cruz to rip up the deal on day one. interestingly, donald trump saying he wouldn't necessarily rip up the deal but he said he's such a good negotiator that he would ensure that the right terms are gotten on behalf of the u.s. which may not be realistic. other people more thoughtful on the issue who have really dug deep into it, we have senator chuck schumer, democrat from new york, who opposed the deal. senator bob corker, chairman of the foreign relations committee, ranking member, also a democrat who opposed the deal and they do so based on saying that they're concerned that it actually

legitimizes the nuclear program maybe not now but later. affords too much leverage law the sanctions relief they would get and other people on the other side academically and politically saying that the deal goes much futer than when's in place before and many ways blocks the pathways to a nuclear weapon even extending the time line on the elements of it and aspects of what former secretary of state hillary clinton touched on this morning in her speech on the deal. >> right. not just hillary clinton, but also ted cruz, speaking today making the argument not that this is just unenforceable or problematic, puts the u.s. in bed with iran. josh, take a listen. >> the iranian nuclear deal is catastrophic. the obama administration will become quite literally the world's leading financier of radical islamic terrorism. >> that's quite literally not true.

easing the sanctions or whatever kind of potentially warmer financial relationship doesn't mean the u.s. is supporting terror and seems to be on the outer edges, josh, the political hook that they have found. >> there are two basic ways of criticizing the deal. no way to make a deal with iran because iran is evil and can't deal with evil and that leaves military action as the only option available. the other criticism is a deal and not deal and it was a bad deal we negotiated badly. implicitly, that's within donald trump's critique of the deal. he talks about -- he talked at length with chuck todd last month of experience dealing with inheriting bad contracts and looks at them and figures out what's in the contract that people didn't realize was there and find positions of strength to level wage better. i think there's a sense both, you know, chuck schumer and ben carten, they're saying we should have negotiating for more. this isn't good enough.

there's a sense of republicans that basically president obama is weak and that if, you know, if people within the u.s. see him as weak then the iranians see him as weak and somebody else negotiating would have been able to get a better deal. i think that's where donald trump is coming from. trump isn't doing to take the position you can't negotiate with the iranians. i think his contention is i would get a better deal than barack obama was able to an i'll find a way to turn it into a better deal. >> you put your finger on something important, the cry teak is completely american central. i mean, i want to play a little bit, molly, of hillary clinton talking about other allies in the region but this is not a deal between the u.s. and iran. this is a deal between europe and russia and china. this is a highly internationalized deal and you wouldn't know that from the political criticism as to other allies. take a listen to what hillary clinton said today about israel. >> i'll increase support for

israeli rocket and missile defenses and for intelligence sharing. i'll sell israel the most sophisticated fighter aircraft ever developed. the f-35. we'll work together to develop and implement better tunnel detection technology to prevent arms smuggling and kidnapping. >> what's important about that, molly? >> she is emphasizing, of course, as other people have, as well, people support or don't support the deal, members of congress suggests steps to take to reassure israel in the wake of this deal and talking about increased support to israel basically essentially giving israel whatever it is that they want to sort of feel better about the deal, psychologically, but also logistically in terms of resources that hillary clinton emphasizing because i think that one of the more potent elements of criticisms whether based in reality or not is people that support the deal

somehow don't support israel and i think the candidates in particular are very sensitive to that criticism. and hillary clinton as well and why she was emphasizing the points of support and israel would get and what she was detailing is a continue wigs of u.s. policy. israel is one of the largest recipients of security assistance of really any country in the world of the united states and more of a continuation or a deepening of that policy and moving forward even past the iran deal vote this week, we're going to see pieces of legislation, attached to appropriations bills regarding the sort of side elements increased support to israel, some things on snapback sanctions, those are thing that is people are already discussing this beak as steps forward. >> right. there's plenty of debate about what is best for israel there and a debate within their nation and politically a very loud prime minister netanyahu come to

the u.s., come to congress, make the case against the deal. no surprise there there's some attempt to try to reassure folks as something this government of israel was against. stay with us. up next, donald trump getting some surprising support of guess who. elizabeth warren? could signal a major shift. also hillary clinton finally saying yes, she is officially sorry for using that private e-mail. but is her apology tour too little, too late for voters and some democratic donors nervous? also, kentucky clerk kim davis out of jail and ready to return to work. will she refuse to issue the marriage licenses and risk facing even more jail time? understands the life behind it. those who have served our nation. have earned the very best service in return. ♪

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we are back with a lot going on in 2016 politics including opponents turned allies. donald trump and ted cruz sharing the gop spotlight this afternoon and hillary clinton's new apology tour with us. molly o'toole and josh barrow. molly, i want to pick up on the ted cruz, donald trump thing. doesn't matter the party. you don't see martin o'malley and bernie sanders do a lot of rallies together. and you don't see many of the republicans do it. it's interesting there. i want to put up the political calculus that may be in play when you ask trump supporters, who are the second choices, you get huckabee around 8%. car son at 20%. up there at the top, 24% basically the largest plurality, a quarter of trump supporters would go to cruz and a lot of republicans thinking that trump summer media bubble will

eventually pop. do you think ted cruz is among those? >> well, there's -- it's interesting strategy, definitely. unique event in that i thought it was interesting they're using rhetoric like when i'm president. they both can't be. so it's an interesting choice. the calculation for cruz is clear. he despite the polls that you just referenced, he has been really struggling to get attention. for his positions. just to get media attention in general. he asked trump to come on board because he knew the kind of attention trump will get. there's parallels in terms of -- >> let me ask you -- do you think it's just attention -- >> voters who are really are attracted to this kind of style of tough talk and speaking their mind or at least this sort of projection of such. >> but do you think it's -- molly, let me ask you a question. >> take advantage of that.

>> do you think it's just having the attention, like, hey, i want to bring a big vip to the party or do you think there's a larger calculation? nobody thinks donald trump is going after the so-called cruz vote and work only in the other direction. >> oh, certainly. i mean, if cruz believes that cruz would believe in the race and unclear why he would make that invest and share the stage with him. i think cruz that others believe who have taken this sort of approach to trump not to attack him and sort of ride his coat tails in terms of media spotlight and limelight and thinking if they can get some of that attention, and get a look, that they might be more sustainable kacandidates than trump and a positive feedback loop and getting enough of a look than they'll start to peel away that support for trump and xw poised to be the recipients of that enthusiasm when he drops out. but i think that the analysis that trump -- people have been

constantly saying this is the point of which the bubble will bufr burst. i think he's defied expectations. nothing seems to bring him down. >> we don't have the voter this is often bring big candidates down. this was glenn beck's argument last night on fox news where he used to work with bill o'reilly saying something a lot of candidates struggled to figure out how to effectively say that donald trump really isn't one of them. take a listen. >> he is a clear long history of progressive tactics. >> trump wants to put a border up. deport people. so he's not a progressive on that issue, beck. come on. >> yeah, he is. he wants to do it through bigger government. >> well, i mean, this attack hasn't worked in part because it's not clear that conservative base voters care about conservative positions on at least some of these issues. donald trump says he wants

higher tariffs on imports and something that policy elites hate. do republican rank and file voters care that much about trade policy? i don't know. donald trump running around saying that hedge funders need to pay more in tax and outrageous how much they pay and not clear to me this is a problem for the republican base. especially because trump has a credibility that certain other politicians don't have with them. if they say raise taxes on the rich an you're barack obama, conservative voters hear that and assume raise taxes on the rich and spend it on a program i don't care. when donald trump says cut taxes for the middle class, he has credibility with some of the voters to believe he'll do that and allow him to sell that. yes, donald trump is not really a conservative. the question is, are republican voters really conservative in the way that republican donors and elites are on the issues and trump isn't a conservative? >> whether he is a policy trojan

horse for the ideas into conservative discussion. with some breaking news, we have brand new previously unaired footage, kelly o'donnell walked and interviewed donald trump and playing it for you right now. >> mr. trump -- >> probably a year ago for jack nicolaus. when he was honored, given the great award. how are you? >> i'm well. nice to see you again, sir. >> haven't seen you in a little while. we are in the same world. >> perhaps i get out there. >> you know senator sessions. >> yes. will you discuss immigration? >> i think we will. you have or don't have and we'll do some prep. i'm prepping for about 30 years, really, when you think of it. >> mr. trump, there's been some question of whether or not congress should consider the resolution of disapproval on the iran deal. do you think they should do that? >> i'm so disappointed.

it's going to be approved based on archaic rules and disappointing to see what happened with that. you see it out there. you see the kind of polls where more than 70% of the people, much more than that, don't want this deal approved. >> do you think congress is not responding to the people? >> congress is not responding to the will of the people. absolutely. >> well, we're looking at there is brand new footage of our own kelly o'connell talking to donald trump. he's walking in the hallways of capitol and flanked by senator sessions there. what do you make of this dance more than said there and what we see is that he continues to build some bridges with different senators, highly conservative ones usually. >> right. >> to try to position himself as not of washington and taken more seriously than he was? >> jeff sessions is a leading voice of restrictive immigration policy in the u.s. senate and a

lot of republicans agree with donald trump to have less immigration and a hostile view and not generally the view of elites. talking to people at the chamber of commerce or president george w. bush trying to get comprehensive reform done. donald trump is an outsider. not liked by republican elites in general. this is a way for him to get an in and jeff sessions' view is ignored not just by democrats but big parts of elite republicans. donald trump is pespeaking for that view. >> i think that trump has to be careful to walk this line of presenting himself as sort of washington outsider and then making these kind of inroads you are talking about to be seen as more legitimate so he's forming relationships, alliances, allegiances with senators. that's tough to keep both of those appearances going. but then again, like you said, he's something of a conduit. a catch-all. you can put in what you believe

to reinforce what you want to hear so if anybody can do it, maybe he can and the balance is difficult. >> all right. molly and josh, thank you for your time today. coming up, a time bomb waiting to happen. we're following new developments out of texas on what led to the blindside hit. their coach and a referee, a lot of folks talking about. european leaders laying out a republican to tackle the worst migrant crisis since world war ii. we're live in budapest. that's next. the only differenc: that little blue thingy. you see it? that's a sensor. using ge software, the light can react to its environment- getting brighter only when it's needed. in a night, it saves a little energy. but, in a year it saves a lot. and the other street? it's been burning energy all night. for frank. frank's a cat. now, two things that are exactly the same, have never been more different. ge software. get connected. get insights. get optimized.

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developing now, a time bomb waiting to happen. that is how one texas committee describing the football hit that led to the suspension of two high school students who police say targeted an ref directly on the field. assistant coach on paid leave in the investigation. nbc's charles hadlock in san antonio. there was an emergency hearing today. what can you tell us? >> reporter: that's right, ari.

the university interscholastic league, the governing body of north texas athletics said to conduct an investigation into what happened on the football field last friday night in marble falls when john jay played that team up in marble falls about 90 miles from here. it was the last minute of the game. apparently it was a very ugly game. according to the executive me believes of the uil who read the report saying there were four players ejected from the game. there were punches thrown. there was unsportsman-like conduct. they said it was a time bomb waiting to happen and apparently triggered when the two defensive players of john jay apparently deliberately tackled the official on the field that they had complaints about. they said that that official made racial slurs and made bad calls against the team. now, the official has an

attorney. representing his group. he says that what happened was a heinous act on the part of the players and he said he made no racial slurs. this investigation is continuing. the police department in marble falls had scheduled a news conference tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.m. that's canceled. that's nothing now to report in their investigation. ari? >> all right. thank you very much for that. also, the head of the eu announced new quotas of nations for 120,000 addition aal refuge. secretary of state kerry said the u.s. is willing to take in more, as well. >> we are looking hard at the number that we can specifically manage with respect to the crisis in syria and europe in their migration today. but that's being vetted fully right now. >> nbc's claudia lavagne is in hungary. what challenges do lawmakers now

face? >> reporter: well, aside from the logistical challenges of the countries to accept to get in their own share of refugees across the european union will be, of course, they will have to house the refugees, integrate them into societies but mostly the biggest challenge here for the european union is poised by those european countries that refuse to get their share of refugees, who are just reject the idea of a quo that system as it was introduced today by the european union and these are the czech republic, hungary here which has taken the toll of the migration crisis and the prime minister keeps maintaining a hard line against the refugees here. ari? >> claudio, thank you for that. britain celebrates a royal record for queen elizabeth. she is now the longest reigning

monarch in britain's history. nbc news royal contributor is live in london. how do d the queen celebrate this big, historical anniversary? >> reporter: well, as you can see, ari, the sun has set on the queen's day here in london. she's currently up in scotland. she spent the day opening a new railroad, taking a trip with her husband prince phillip on a steam engine, perhaps a little nod there to her ancestor queen victoria and we think she's enjoying a well earned din we are the duchess of came branlg and prince william and taking a rest and said at the beginning she didn't want too much fuss, understated. it was very much a case of business as usual and carrying on and engagements would you believe at the age of 89, carries out 400 engagements a year and did say a few words saying that she acknowledged that everyone had had an

outpouring of emotion about the milestone and for her, it wasn't something she necessarily aspired to and the part and parcell of the long life she's led and there's cause for celebration. we had a flotilla on the thames. >> very nice. thank you very much. here, the tech world celebrating big news today by apple. msnbc's scott cohen at the company's annual fall event here in san francisco. iphone, apple tv with big updates. tell us. >> as well as a brand new ipad. you know, so you just upgraded last year to the iphone 6 and kind of interested in this new iphone 6s and 6s plus that they just introduced today and there are reasons for that. it has a new camera that's higher resolution than before. faster processing. new touch screen that does more things than the old.

but you don't want to upgrade right away? apple with a new thing to pay a monthly fee and get a new phone every year and so they lock you in that way. and as you said, a new apple tv with tim cook the ceo of apple saying the future of tv is apps and this integrates all of the itunes store, shopping, television, in this new remote touch screen remote with siri in your home controlling everything. they have big hopes for that and then the ipad pro which essentially is aimed at business users, it's a huge almost 13-inch screen with 4 speaker sound. you can trick it out with a smart keyboard and a -- what they call a pencil, like a stylus and the idea to be able to use that the way you would use a laptop and not unlike microsoft has done with the surface. apple trying to leapfrog them and tap in on a luke rative

market. lots of interesting stuff here. the stock as the thing going on has traded down. there you go. ari? >> comes back to a pad and paper, anyway. coming up, kentucky clerk kim davis ready to return to work. she is vowing, however, to not violate her conscience, that defiance might land her back in court. first, lester holt is speaking excluessively with survivors of the charleston church massacre. >> we were about to say the prayer to be released. i remember my son saying, mama, he shot me in the head. >> your granddaughter was with you? >> yes. and i was telling my son, i said, just -- just lay here. just lay here. but he was still talking to me

and i said, just lay here. and my granddaughter was hollering, saying she was so afraid. and i was trying to keep -- everybody close to me as calm as i could. >> tough conversation there on such an important story. you can watch more of that interview airing tonight on "nbc nightly news with lester holt."

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vegas. passengers used emergency slides to escape that blaze. at least 20 people were hospitalized. also, today, city of baltimore unanimously approving a $6.4 million settlement with the family of freddie gray. mayor says it heals wounds in the community and that the settlement is completely unrelated to the ongoing criminal case against those six police officers charged in gray's death. all of those officers pleaded not guilty. kentucky county clerk kim davis may be out of jail and not back at work. deputy clerk in the office is telling nbc news that he is vowing to follow the judge's order and keep issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples even if his boss kim davis tells him otherwise. >> there's been ten licenses altogether since friday. seven were same-sex and three heterosexual. when ms. davis comes back, i'll still issue licenses.

>> sarah dallof is covering the story for us in moorhead, kentucky. when do we expect davis back at work and what can you tell us in the day after, an event for many people meaningful or others saw it as spectacle? >> reporter: hi, ari. kim davis out of jail. that jubilant crowd cheering for her. but not back at work yet. the attorneys indicate she could return as early as tomorrow or friday. she is taking today for certain to regroup at home with her friends an family. she is ordered as part of the release not to interfere with the deputy clerks issuing the marriage licenses. they started doing that on friday. however, her lawyers say she hasn't exactly told them she'll comply with the order. >> kim davis is the only person that can decide what kim davis will do. what i know right now is what she has told the court and everyone else and that is that

she will not under any circumstances violate her conscience and the core of who she is. >> reporter: ambiguous there and pressing the attorney on what is she prepared to do, she will not violate the conscience. could be a possible fight here tomorrow as her deputy clerk indicated no matter what she says, he is going to follow the law and continue to issue the licenses. an eighth same-sex couple came to the office today for their license. so a very complicated legal battle, especially as davis' attorneys now alleging that the licenses aren't valid since they don't contain her name and signature but of her deputy clerks. however the county clerk and the state's governor both saying, ari, that those licenses are in fact valid. back to you. >> all right. sarah dallof, thank you. you said it was a complex legal case. joining us is former federal

prosecutor, caleb mason who knows about it. good day to you. >> hi, ari. how are you? >> i'm good. this has been extraordinary to watch. you can come to a lot of different perspectives. the's certainly a tradition of civil disobedience in this country. there's certainly ways this people can try to express their descent of policies, laws ov s rulings. that said, a lot of this looks like a debate over who decides what the law is and that debate's been settled for a long time. the supreme court is the ultimate word here. right? >> that's correct. i think the historical parallel for the role kim davis is in is george wallace or bull connor, not martin luther king. she's not acting in civil disobedience. she is a -- >> let's break that out. because her allies and a lot of religious conservatives, their argument is she has something

she bants to do. she has a conscience in her own mind and heart and that she doesn't want to be forced by the government to do something. what you're saying is there's a difference of a random person feels that waiver sus a government official sworn to uphold government's laws? >> that's correct. the public official sworn to up hold the laws obligated to do just that. if she feels that her religious beliefs are in conflict with her obligations as a public official, she needs to choose between them. our constitution does not allow public officials to bring their religious beliefs with them into the public arena literally into the courthouse where she works and impose those beliefs on someone seeking government services you mentioned the law. looking at it under the federal and state laws invoked here, not talking about what it should be or could be but under the law as you know as a prosecutor, these

references to some sort of federal exemption aren't really relevant here. why not? >> that's correct. there is no authority in federal law that a public official may refrain from doing her public duties and specifically in this case may exercise a form of discrimination, that is refuse to serve the public based on an explicitly discriminatory motive in the face of a supreme court decision that's held precisely that form of discrimination to be unconstitutional. i think the analogy here that would be instructive for your viewers is to imagine this scenario if we change marriage to voting and, if we change same-sex couples to women and change the religion of the public official to, say, islam where the official said based on my beliefs, i do not believe that women should be allowed to vote and i decline to issue any

voter registration in this county. that's the legal situation we have here. >> right. and to your point, people can practice whatever they want at home but it's just not relevant let alone appropriate to import someone's personal religious views be they discriminatory or not into what is public service and their public duties. i want to ask you on the nuts and bolts question of the licenses issued to date by the deputies valid and debated, where does that stand? >> so, the validity of a marriage license could be challenged in some future proceeding, for example, in a probate context or in context of a dispute of property in the event of a divorce, child custody, those issues to the kentucky state courts in the future proceeding and if one party wished to challenge the validity of the license, he or she could. i very much doubt that any

kentucky state court would hold that those licenses were invalid but i suppose anything is possible. >> and what do you -- >> not settled right now. >> what do you think the supreme court is thinking, the justices, the clerks looking out over what's become a real national event there yesterday? >> this is the consequence of having the rule of law and a federal constitution that does impose a baseline for civil rights across the country despite the fact that people including some local officials in some parts of the country disagree with the civil rights. the parallels to segregation in the '60s are very precise here. officials that refused to enforce supreme court's rulings on desegregation and eventually those public officials did realize that they were in the wrong and states okay we esed. this is not a legal debate in my

view at all. there is no colorable legal position she is articulating. >> by that, that's well-known illegal and the punishment and the lawyers could have advised her going into it. caleb mason, appreciate your expertise today. when politics and prison collide. a former state senator turned inmate talking about the year behind bars and why the criminal justice system is teaching criminals to be better criminals instead of citizens. so what about that stock? sure thing, right? actually, knowing the kind of risk that you're comfortable with, i'd steer clear. really? really. straight talk. now based on your strategy i do have some other thoughts... multiplied by 13,000 financial advisors it's a big deal. and it's how edward jones makes sense of investing.

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bernie sanders set to unveil criminal criminal justice refor plan next week. he says the current system is broken and it is not just talk on the campaign trail. republican chuck grassley, chair of the senate committee is reportedly in negotiations over a potential new bill to reform mandatory minimum sentences. our next guest argues we need to change our approach to prison. and he knows because he's been there. he went from the missouri senate to prison serving a year for campaign finance violations. opening up about his story in a new memoir, what my year behind bars taught me about america's prison crisis. jeff smith, welcome to you. >> thanks so much for having me, ari. >> i want to get to this reform debate in a minute. but starting with you and your story who viewers who may not have heard about you as a

politician now learning about you as an exz inmate. what did you learn that you didn't know going in. >> first of all there is almost no rehabilitation going on in prison. there is a lot of debilitation but very little rehabilitation. i hoped naively perhaps there would be vocational training opportunities. ways to acquire a skill. plumbing, electrical wiring, computer software or programming. but there was almost nothing. the one computer class was 40 minutes of sitting at a computer and learning how to turn it on and off. so people are ill equipped to come back and successfully reenter society. and we shouldn't be surprised two out of every three prisoners reoffend within three years. >> and your memoir isn't just looking at that big picture. it is about what you went through. you talk about the feeling, the fear, the stress the fact that there are all sorts of ways that it is hard on prisoners that aren't designed as punishment but just in the way the prison

was operated. >> there is a common misconception about prison and that is they have it made. three hots and a cot and they are all taken care of. prisoners have to support themselves. they work full-time jobs in prison for small wages. for working 40 hours a week unloaded flood on the loading dock i made 5.25 a month and that was triple prison wage. they don't pay for simple things like soap and deodorant and shah shampoo. even to stay clean, let alone for pen and paper and stamps you have to figure some way to hustle. and we know if there is one thing that helps people not reoffend, it is staying in close contact with loved ones. the kpexorbitant fees make that almost impossible for most prisoners who are destitute. >> what did other inmates think of you as someone they were

learning about basically a crooked politician. >> at first they thought it was really dumb. really naive. because i went to prison and i didn't even steal my money. so they couldn't believe when i explained what i went to prison for which was a minor campaign finance violation. >> you were under investigation regarding how your cam pain ran and you are convicted of perjury in speaking to federal investigators. >> essentially, yes. yes. and so that was first. secondly though u they developed some respect for me because my best friend had worn a wire for a couple of months to get me to admit they signed a false affidavit five years earlier and i then did not wear a wire on anyone when i had a possibility of maybe reducing my sentence or staying out of prison. because snitches are verboten in prison at least that earned me

some measure of respect. >> i what was your safety in there. >> i got in several scrapes, most of them on the basketball court. and various junctures chifs threatened. but i had only a year and a day. almost everybody i was locked one had at least ten years total because of the mandatory minimum sentences they are talking about reducing now. >> that is a big part of this. people think of the prison population as a function of the crime. that if there is more crime, maybe more people go to prison and maybe that is as it should be. in fact what we've seen over and over is that many of the rules that have been added, which have taken power, as you mentioned, away from judges forcing these mandatory offense, often for non violent offenses have attributed to a growth in the prison population. when you look at reform, change, what do we need to do first? >> the first thing we need to do and think michelle alexander has laid this out as well as anyone

is think about sentencing reform. getting rid of the mandatory minimums and giving judges discretion. i've seen guys got 15 years or more because of the mandatory minimum of crack co-coin and extra five if they had a gun anywhere in their house or two more years. and often times a guy had been in prison about half their life about age 35 or 40. so we need to get rid of the mandatory minute minimums. get rid of the three strikes and you are out. in some cases it is a store and candy bars and you are going away the rest of your life. so we need to get rid of those. then more for successful reentry. ban the boxed legislation across america and make it easier for ex offenders to get vocational training and make sure they can get a decent place to live without a background check

prohibiting them. >> jeff smith, appreciate you sharing a story i think that would interest a lot of people. a difficult story but one that is veinteresting. the book is mr. smith goes to prison. thanks very much. that is our show for today. ayman mohyeldin is up next. stay tuned. welcome to fort green sheets. welcome to castle bravestorm. it's full of cool stuff, like... my trusty bow. and free of stuff i don't like. we only eat chex cereal. no artificial flavors, and it's gluten-free.

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