next republican, that's dr. benefit carson trailing 11 points behind. on the democratic side, bernie sanders making news. look at this. now outpacing hillary clinton in iowa. that's a big change from clinton's 19-point lead there. that was in july. vice president biden also can win 12%, although of course he has not announced if he's going to enter this race. mark murray joins us now. bernie sanders here is doing something different. he is holding a lead now potentially in these two most important states that start the calendar. what does that mean? >> that means that hillary clinton certainly has a race on her hands for a while. you're seeing the reflection of what has been a tough two or three-month news environment for hillary clinton where her campaign has been dealing either with the e-mail story or dropping poll numbers. it is worth noting that our nbc

poll that we ended up releasing just this last sunday had hillary clinton up 11 points in iowa. the des moines rental sister poll had her up seven. other polls have had her up in the 20-point range. what is clear in iowa, new hampshire and everywhere else, her poll numbers have been going down over the last few months. bernie sanders has been going up. >> on the other side, the donald trump phenomenon continues to break out. some of these polls tend to move around and some are more reputable than others. donald trump is getting up around a third here. that seems to be a different mood than him just splitting up a tiny field in the teens. >> absolutely, ari. i'm even more fascinated by when you add donald trump's percentage along with ben carson's, you're well above 50%.

both men have never held elected office before. >> right. >> they do have their differences and have been sparring in the past 24 hours. to me, that shows you where the republican electorate is right now, who they prefer rather than some of the old establishment candidates, be it jeb bush, marco rubio and scott walker. this is true in the democratic race as well as the republican. we have a very long way to go. history shows that people who are up in the polls in august and in september or who at least have the momentum don't always sustain that into january and february heading into iowa, new hampshire. i think those polls are going to go up and down, up and down a bunch. >> hard to know whether it's a real lead or a bubble. thanks as always for your expertise. >> with more, david mill bank. how are you sir? >> good to see you, ari. >> i want to start from trump's

lead to trump's style, which is appealing to some people. time and time again, we see him being very personal, negative, disrespectful. here he is talking about carly fiorina, a competitor of his, in rolling stone. look at that face, would anyone vote for that. can you imagine that, the face of our next president. i mean, she's a woman and i'm not supposed to say bad things, but really folks, come on, are we serious, end quote. let me be fair and play donald trump's explanation for this. this is new today. >> i'm talking about her persona. she failed miserably at hewlett-packard. she then ran for the senate. she lost in a landslide. now she's running for president. >> he seems to be pulling off a kind of a trick where he p will do the hard personal disrespectful negative, when asked about it, he'll do the

substantive negative and claim that's what he was doing the whole time. >> at least he's learning in some sense that you can't keep talking this way. that's not because he's saying nasty things about women or race bathing and some of the other questionable things he's doing. it's because he's the anti-establishment figure, the outsider. he's got this populous theme going. that's what's working for ben carson. that's what's working on the other so i had for bernie sanders. i think you are beginning in trump's case to see something of a backlash. we had bobby jindal coming out with really harsh words for trump. people will start to say, look at this guy, is this what you want representing the republican party. you can get away in the republican primary saying those things. but it's not going to fly with a

generally election. >> you can insult some of the people some of the time. i don't know that you can insult all of the people all of the time and build a 51% majority. hillary clinton weighing in on bobby jindal. here's what she had to say. >> there is one particular candidate who just seems to delight in insulting women every chance he gets. i have to say, if he emerges, i would love to debate him. [ cheers and applause ] >> that's a campaign rhetoric, but in your view, are clinton advisors starting to wonder why they might actually face off against trump? >> i think her advisors as well as everybody sort of in the political world is saying, it's impossible, this can't actually happen. except it continues to happen. the assumption still is that something will cause him to trip up and for the republicans who

are sur importapporting him to their senses and fade away. journalists would be delighted to cover that race, but it certainly -- talk about a gender gap. it would seem to be tail or made for hillary clinton to 'pose a donald trump candidacy. >> there seems to be attention here in the media, washington media and i think the media at large, which is both as you say a constant underestimation of donald trump and yet a fascination with him as he's the first to point out, he draws audience interest, he clearly had an impact in driving much larger ratings at the fox debate. he says he's going to do the same on wednesday for cnn. that's just a fact so far that there is this audience interest. is there some sort of weird thing going on with the press here, they both underestimate him but also need him? >> i think the nearest comparison was sarah palin in

2008. and we -- i think are both fascinated and appalled in the press when we see this going on. of course if trump's on your broadcast, trump's in my newspaper, more people are going to be interested in that. so it's almost a guilty pleasure in a sense. but it's not as if the media is propping up an obscure candidate. this is not just nominally, but in a real sense, the republican frontrunner. it seems to be an impossibility that certainly nobody convicted. it's made it a very compelling story to cover. >> they say people like you, people like me, we have some sort of establishment bias for the way it used to be, and thus there is an argument put forward that the media is uncomfortable with anyone routing around that. the public, not just with trurp, clearly there's a political appetite for people who aren't doing it the normal way.

on a related point on the democratic side, debbie wasser man schultz has been clear how debates there's going to be. if you skip out and try to do extra debates, those candidates would be uninvited from subsequent debates if they except an invitation to anything outside of the six sanctioned debates. martin o'malley was on morning joe today saying this is because the dnc chair is already doing favors for the clinton campaign. your view? >> well, i mean, clinton is the candidate of the establishment. it's not the democratic national committee isn't officially behind hillary clinton, but it is the establishment, so it's not terribly surprising that way. martin o'malley is trying to revive by campaigning against the dnc. i don't see where a single voter's going to really care about that. that's inside baseball.

both partys have really tried to crack down op the number of debates. so you don't have what the republicans had last time around. i understand why they're doing it. martin o'malley is going to try to get any opening he can. he's completely lost that position, the anti hillary position to bernie sanders. >> the republicans thought they would limit the number of debates because of what happened last time. now if trurp stays in the lead, a lot of republicans are going to want more debates. dana millbank thanks for joining us. i want to turn now to the nooik deal with iran. the senate expected to hold that procedural vote on it. the house planning three votes by the opposition to stop it. joining us now with the inside scoop from congress, peter welsh of vermont who does support this deal. good day to you. >> good afternoon. >> we saw those massive crowds outside the capital for that tea party rally against this deal.

this hour in the senate, republicans trying to force a vote on the resolution of disapproval. what do you think of these last ditch efforts to stop the deal? what should the public make of this long process that's coming to a close right now? >> there's a fierce debate here. but it's a simple question. are you for the deal or are you against it. the republicans have read the tea leaves. they've got the votes against the deal, but they don't have the votes to overcome a presidential veto. what they're trying to do in a last-ditch effort is change the questions to make it in the house not a vote on disapproval, but a vote on approval to have another provision where we're voting to say that we can't take a vote because we don't have all the agreements. and what they're hoping is that these things will do two things. one, keep all of their side on board, and number two, change a few votes on our side. but i think that's a pipe dream. i think the members have taken

this question very seriously and come to honest conclusions. you're going to see a sufficient number of democrats are going to support the president. so we can be confident we sustain a veto. >> what is your view of one of the more compelling critiques we've heard from critics of the deal, how can you support something with a regime as dangerous as iran which has in it these secret side deals? what is your response to that? >> two things. the four corners of the deal are what give us verification that is 24/7 in all the known facilities and then a short-term process to get to places where there may be activities or suspected activities. so the four corners of the deal empower us and our allies to have strict enforcement. number two, we've got snapback provisions in there so we can restore those sanctions. number three, if there's a real

violation, the president has the authority or could recommend or use military force. finally, that's overblown on this. the iaea has its own protocols with every country with whom it works. those are always between the country and the iaea. no legal authority to undercut the obligations iran has greed to in the terms of this agreement. >> i know it's a busy day of votes down there. peter welsh, thanks for your time. still ahead, new developments in those string of shootings along the arizona interstate. why police now think there may actually be more than one sniper. days after two high school football players tackle and hit this referee during a game. the whole team now under scrutiny. how millions of dollars in fines against the banks might help solve thousands of crimes against women.

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following breaking news right now. lawyers for the former south carolina police officer charged with killing an unarmed black man are inside a chob courtroom asking a judge to allow their client to be freed now. michael slager has been in jail since his arrest in april. that arrest days after he shot and killed walter scott. the video appearing to show slager opening fire. slager and his lawyers are saying the video does not show the whole story, alleging that scott attempted to take slager's taser and use it as a weapon.

now to phoenix where authorities are searching for multiple gunmen in a series of sniper attacks. police calling this domestic terrorism. miguel almaguer joins us with more from phoenix. >> reporter: good afternoon. this is the stretch of interstate that has authorities so concerned here in phoenix, arizona. about a 10-mile stretch of i-10 where there have been ten confirmed incidents already. five have been shootings. investigators today are looking at two more additional incidents. a car was hit with a projectile while another vehicle was struck by a bullet. no one has been seriously injured. a 13-year-old girl had some glass shatter in her face. authorities now believe there may be multiple people that are targeting drivers on this interstate. investigators are scrambling all across this area sending their chopper up in the air as well as

many undercover vehicles along the highway here looking for potential suspects. but they fear tonight that they won't be able to track down a suspect until he, she, or the multiple shooters strike again. so investigators throwinger resource they have here as drivers here in phoenix are scared to drive across the i-10. now back to you. >> thanks for that report. now, the texas high school football team whose players police are saying targeted a referee will suit up tomorrow. the school district has decided not to suspend the season here, but the two players involved are suspended. carry sanders has more from san antonio, texas. >> reporter: today, attention here turns to tomorrow night's high school football game. friday nightlights of course is part of the fabric of texas. while the team here will take the field, it will be minus two

players. those two players who are being held responsible for that horrific attack on the rough. and the game here will be unlike any other because of security both off and on the field. this morning, new photos of referee robert watts immediately after he was violently taken down by two high school football players. his injuries requiring a doctor's care. at an emergency meeting of the group that oversees texas high school athletics, one official ticked off a litany of problems with the game. >> there was punches thrown, arguing with officials. seems to me like a time bomb waiting to happen and it did happen. i didn't see any leadership coming from the coaching staff. >> reporter: one member of that staff, mac breed, is being accused by some of making comments that may have instigated the attack. he's now on administrative leave and could not be reached for

comment. >> whether or not the coach uttered any words that led the kids to believe that they could do what they did, it is not reason enough for those kids to have assaulted that referee. >> reporter: and there are player allegations that watts used racial slurs before he was attacked. his lawyer denies that and says the players should be punished for what they did. >> how can you say anything other than this was a heinous crime. >> reporter: despite reports that suggest otherwise, the body that governs high school texas has not called for the team here at john jay high school to be completely disbanded. >> thanks for that report. now to the extreme weather hitting the nation. excessive heat out west. with us now, mark elliott. >> we are paying the piper right now. it does get a lot better as we head towards the weekend. for now, we're seeing the interaction of a very large

front going all the way from maine down to the gulf coast with an air mass that's been in place for days. you know you've had southerly winds, extremely high temperatures, high humidity. that front is coming on through as we speak. behind it, though, that's where things are going to get really pleasant. we're going to get to some much nicer conditions by the weekend. it will actually be a little bit chilly for some of you. until then, rain and storms stretching through the eastern united states. so let's talk about where those showers and storms are right now. we start off by zooming in on the northeast corridor. the long loop here showing you a little bit of a spin, too. a weak area of low pressure forming along that front. this front moving through that warm air is really kicking up the showers and storms. we can get a little bit closer in, especially near long island. the showers are starting to move away. near sufficieolk county, it mige

too little too late. portions of the l. i.e. got slammed in just six hours or so, ranging from two to 3 inches of rain. and it's not just around new york, although we will focus in on the tri state area right now. as we time this out, we're not necessarily done. just in time for the community time, that the spin goes right over new york. so rounds of showers and storms that could even continue through the overnight hours and still be affecting you for your friday morning. now a little bit further south from there, still along that same front, we've got showers and storms moving through baltimore and d.c. the north side of baltimore featured heavy rain as this cluster of storms went through. so still officially a flash flood warning there until 5:30. there is actually another front that's going to almost join forces with the front going through right now. so tomorrow, a big push of fall air. temperatures this weekend will

be chilly. we're talking lows near 50. that means readings five to 15 degrees below average. this is air you're going to notice. tomorrow, we're talking 62 in minneapolis. 60 international falls. lows in the upper 30s to low 40s there. sunday, the heart of the cool air heading towards the east coast. it is going to be a delightful change, but it's not going to last. summer returns by mid next week. >> thanks to mark eliot. >> up next, why jeb bush tax plan is angering democrats and republicans. and where the money's coming from might surprise you. behold, these are two wind turbines. can you spot the difference? the wind farm on the right was created using digital models and real world location-based specs that taught it how to follow the wind. so while the ones on the left are waiting, the ones on the right are pulling power out of thin air. pretty impressive, huh?

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this afternoon, the vice president and attorney general made a big announcement about a program to crack cold cases around the country, joining manhattan's top prosecutor to tackle the rape kit backlog.

the vice president said jurisdictions are beginning to see the light, beginning to understand that in the process we solve hundreds and thousands of other cases. the effort funds grants so that local police and investigators can st rape kits that have gone untested. that new evidence can help investigators solve these crimes. >> i was just like to say to the other survivors out there that may be sitting where i was sitting once upon a time waiting for that phone call, don't give up hope. seeing a person who did that to you will really make you feel good. it will make you feel like justice was finally served. >> one of the most unusual parts of today's announcement is the source of this funding. the manhattan da took money from a bank settlement for sanctions violations and offered it up to investigators around the country.

what moved you to try to do something unusual here both in taking these bank penalty funds, putting them towards these rape investigations and doing it around the country? >> well, first of all, the reality is as you were stating that women around the country have been undergoing these invasive exams after sexual assaults which are designed to capture physical evidence, to look for dna in that physical evidence and determine whether there is someone incarcerated or with a criminal record that is actually responsibility for that crime. frankly, it's an injustice to the victims, women and men, who undergo both the sexual assault and the examination. so the opportunity for us is to right a wrong. and we do it because we know it works. and when manhattan decided to eliminate its rape kit backlog

between 2000 and 2003, we ultimately tested 17,000 backlogged hits. we got 670 hits to the data base. in houston this year -- >> that's 489 prosecutions of alleged rapists that you would not otherwise have. >> exactly. houston just last year tested 6,000 kits. got 850 matches and developed 29 prosecutio prosecutions. people should have confidence it's going to bring justice to victims who have been waiting for it for years. this is really a national issue. a rapist who rapes in manhattan is very likely to strike in another state. if in california that individual is caught in another crime, we're going to be able to solve new york state crimes around the country. i'm certain of it. i'm proud that we are able to do something positive, needed, immediate to deal with what i

think is just a tragedy. >> you mention that federal partnership. i want to read more from attorney general loretta lynch, she says anyone who's felt isolated and afraid, lost faith or lost hope as a result of a sex crime, we will not forget you, we will not abandon you. your peace of mind and security are top priorities for doj. she is a very measured prosecutor, as you know. this is as heart-felt as some have seen here. she's speaking to something that goes beyond the law. it goes to a feeling that many women have that prosecutors and the legal system doesn't work well for them when they are victims of sex crimes. >> i think the fact that we have a situation where thousands of rape kits are up tested for years if not decades, speaks to the question are we treating victims of crime who are women as seriously as victims as we should. so i agree with the attorney general's comments. when we make those phone calls

to women after we have a hit on a case to tell them that something they've been living with, we now have found the individual, there's a range of emotions, but they all say i can't believe you're still working on this. i thought -- >> working on an old case. >> i thought i'd be forgotten about. the attorney general also making other big news and talked about a lot today that they want to move from just holding banks accountable, something you've done, to actually focusing on prosecuting individual bankers. number one, why did it take until now for the justice department to say that? number two, what do you think of this shift and what are you doing in your capacity, a different jurisdiction, on these financial crimes? >> ari, as far as our office goes, we will in any white collar investigation move where the evidence points to. and at the end of the investigation, what the evidence

supports in terms of a charging decision. in a number of these foreign bank cases, for example, evidence was overseas. identification of individuals, historical actions, here's ago was difficult to do. but we do charge individuals in white collar fraud investigations as does the federal government. so i look at the announcement as i understand it by the attorney general not necessarily as a brand-new policy, but reminding the justice department of its commitment where there is evidence and where charges can be brought and you have a large financial fraud, that they should be really looking at holding individuals accountable. >> you work with new york police day in and day out. they're under fire right now for this mistaken arrest and allegations of basically misconduct, excessive force against james blake, a famed and beloved tennis player here. what do you make of that happening even to someone that people think was obviously

misidentified and beyond the internal review at nypd is that the kind of case that your office is going to look at? >> i must say i don't know the facts of that case in detail. i understand what i've read in the paper. >> he said publicly and the police haven't denied it that he was grabbed, the police didn't identify himself according to him. when they were able to identify him, he was released. nypd saying there's an internal review. >> our office has always investigated police misconduct where we have seen it. and if we believe it is criminal, we've proceeded to charge. it's happened to 16 or 17 police officer cases since i've been d.a. i can't speak to whether or not this will result in a criminal investigation, but i'm certain we're going to have more conversations with the commissioner about it. obviously if police officers are engaged in systemic misconduct, this is a concern for the police commissioner, it's a concern for me. >> all right. manhattan drone cyrus vance.

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and move forward to take the vote on that anti-measure that you describe. this is sort of using a negative in terms of legislation, a resolution disapproving of the president's deal with iran. and republicans wanted to have this vote because they want to demonstrate that all republicans oppose the iran deal. we're talking only on the senate side, but that would hold true on the house side as well, for leaders like mitch mcconnell, this would be an important step to show that republicans are united. there are three prominent democrats who have come out on the same side as republicans, chuck schumer, who's likely to be the next democratic leader, joe mansion of west virginia and robert menendez of new jersey. we expect democrats will sort of link elbows and be able to block this using the filibustefilibus. now, democrats also think this is a way of giving the president that legacy move and also taking

off the table the need to use a veto. it will all unfold over the next several minutes. it will be important to watch. a key moment in this whole issue of the iran nuclear debate. >> kelly o'donnell, thank you as always. there's also some developing news on that terrible migrant crisis. the president now directing his administration to accept at least 10,000 syrian refugees next year. all of this comes as concerning new video is out of macedonia today. it shows a police officer along the border with greece beating migrants including a man holding a young child. we're told police say they were trying to prevent migrants from crossing into the country. >> also six baltimore police officers will stand trial. a judge ruling against a request to move that trial off the city. mayor stephanie rawlings-blake telling our andrea mitchell she supports that judge's decision.

>> it will be helpful that the public knows that the jurors will be selected from the -- the peers of the officers who work in the city as well as freddie gray. >> and one day ahead of the 9/11 anniversary memorial to the victims of united flight 93 is now open to the public. the visitor center was dedicated today in pennsylvania. that of course is where flight 93 went down 14 years ago. passengers on board famously rested control from the hijackers forcing that plane to crash before ever reaching its intended target. now, we are back to 2016 politics. donald trump taking a page from one of the biggest conservative icons of all time with his slogan "make america great again." it was of course used by president ronald reagan in a campaign. now the 2016 candidates seem to be competing to the heir of that much-loved reagan legacy for

republicans. jeb bush unveiled a tax plan that has some echoes of reagan's tax reform in the 1980s. >> look, there's enough ways to take your money out of your pocket. sales tax, you got the property tax, you got the payroll tax. i think that in order to make economic activity benefit everybody, we ought to put more diz posable income, particularly in the middle class. >> joining us now, author of the invisible bridge. he's also written for rolling stone and the new republic. good day to you. >> hi, ari, how are you? >> go ahead and put that statement there in the reagan context. >> well, the interesting context is that when reagan claimed that, you know, lowering taxes on the top earners would trickle down to the rest of the country, you know, it didn't work. it was fascinating to see about

five years ago, a national review writer said what are we going to do about the fact that all of the promises of supply side economics and lowering taxes didn't work. he said this is a great embarrassment for conservativetism. what they did was nothing of course. we have governors like brown back in kansas who lower taxes and promise it would produce a miracle. and suddenly the state's in just a near panic. yet they still keep going back to the well and going back to the well and going back to the well. it's very curious. and it shows kind of a sort of hero worship and fantasy that isn't really going to help us going forward as a nation, i don't think. >> right. and an incredible obsession, really, with the top tax bracket, literally as a matter of population math is not relevant to most people. >> i think it was the corporate

tax rate he wants to bring from 35% to 20%. dozens of the top corporations pay no taxes. >> beyond bush, there is other things among republicans today as they get ready for their big debate coming in the week. dr. ben carson and trump going back and forth on faith. take a listen. >> well, probably the biggest thing is that, you know, i realize where my success has come from. and i don't in any way deny my faith in god. and i think that probably is a big differentiator. >> for him to criticize me on my faith is absolutely -- and for him to read from the bible in his memory, it looked like he memorized it about two minutes before he bent on stage. >> there you --

>> that's a fascinating exchange right there. >> personal insults being hurled by trump. you have religious figures in this race in mike huckabee and santorum. what does it tell you you have these two political outsiders fighting over faith? >> and they're pulling mainly for trump like other categories of the republican coalition. even though donald trump was asked if he was ever asked god for forgiveness, he said no, i don't do that. which is basically like admitting he's not a christian and yet somehow he got away with that. his blustering just pushed right through it. ben carson has a pretty good point. i don't know what ben carson's personal relationship to his faith is and i really don't know what trump's is. ronald reagan barely ever went to church, but he kind of spoke

the evangelical's language. at the same time, evangelicals more and more have identified their identity as anti-liberal identity. as basically with conservative policy provisions. at the same time, trump has thrown away a lot of those conservative policy positions. saying he has the best economic program of any of the republican candidates, which isn't necessarily saying much. >> what you're speaking to also is where the religious and cultural issues are seen in an affirmative way. what do you draw from, how do you relate to your faith versus the negative or counter way, which is oh we're going to be against something else outside of those rieligious views. thanks for your time. we want to turn to a major finding. scientists say they've discovered a new relative of ours who is more than 2 million years old.

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in just a few short hours, the road to road to super bowl begins, after an offseason dominated by deflategate and tom brady, and all that will drama. they will raise the banner tonight to defend last year's super bowl win. coverage kicks off tonight on nbc at 7:30 eastern. don't miss it. you're looking at a live shot of msnbc's craig melvin in front of gillette stadium in foxboro, massachusetts, you won the all expenses paid trip on behalf of nbc and msnbc. a lot of pell jealous of your assignment, what can you tell us out there? >> you would be hard pressed to find anyone in a 30 mile radius not stoked about the game tonight. i spent a lot of time talking to fans inside gillette stadium. the game doesn't kick off until

after 8:00 tonight. there were a few tossing a few back. the federal judge tossing out that four-gym suspension. here's a guy who is going to be playing with a chip on his shoulder, even before all of this, the patriots were one of the five or six teams favored to go back to the super bowl. they'll be defending their super bowl title again tonight. they'll start defense of that title when the game kicks off. a lot of folks surmise that this is going to be a season where this team feels like they have to prove something. all of the deflategate stuff notwithstanding, there was also this espn report that came out two days ago, that was pretty damming. espn did an investigative piece citing dozens of sources that revealed a culture of cheating

here in new england. things like shutting down communications for the opposing teams, stealing -- literally stealing the playbook out of the locker room, the patriots coming up yesterday and saying all of that was untrue. myths being the word that they used. here's a team, it feels like they have something to prove as well. >> it should be a fantastic season to watch. it all unfolds tonight. the 50th season of the nfl getting started tonight here in foxboro. >> craig melvin with the report have fun out there. >> for more we are joined by mary pylon and sny contributor, how are you doing? >> good. >> how are you? >> i'm good. you hear about the espn reporter, you hear about the allegations that roger goodell was coming down harder on this. what's going on? >> it's really about, you're looking back and understanding why goodell wasn't more harsh on

the patriots. now, obviously you're getting more information from espn. is it going to really play out? no. the patriots have a history of playing fast and loose with the rules. people are going to believe what they believe about the pats and tom brady, even though he's not serving that four-game suspension. moving forward, get a little more historical perspective, it's also an organization going out there and trying to get an edge. the nfl has ramped up their activity on the hill. it goes back to a concussion issue. this is a multibillion dollar operation that operates on legal framework. when something like the espn report comes out, it raises questions like, what other stuff do we not know, is so different from what the league originally told us from what was happening? >> these football games this is not like a chess match where it's quiet and they get to focus, it's all about the pressure and the attention and everyone gets that.

and yet this goes above and beyond, right? this level of constant drama, plus legal pressure, this is bigger than just people cheering. how do the patriots come out tonight and get back to focusing on the game? >> i think they will, that's what they've always done, they take it to the field, i expect them to take it to the steelers tonight. i expect with brady, they have the best coach in the nfl with belichick. brady is an all time great quarterback, they take advantage of matchup mistakes or nightmares for other teams, that's what makes the pats the pats. they're not a product of deflated footballs of going through the garbage at opposing teams hotels, they're not that, they're a great organization run by a fantastic head coach. >> you're saying they don't cheat because they have to, they cheat because -- >> honestly, they go to get an edge. we judge everyone by wins and losses. the patriots go out there and push the envelope. people are going to call upon

it, you have every right to go out there and beat them, not many teams go out there and do that. >> there's a huge money piece too. one of the things i found with nfl's troubles and fifa, which is a much worse case this summer. sponsors are not pulling the money. no one's pulling back because of deflategate or anyone else involving the league, they see a tremendous value in football as a product and a commodity. >> looking more broadly than at this whole season we're going into, mary, who are the big people to watch? >> i'm from the northwest card and say the seahawks, obviously, i think the seahawks and pats both know they're teams with targets on their backs, the philadelphia eagles, i always find interesting because of chip kelly's transition. and the packers are really interesting, i think, i wouldn't rule them out either. >> i'm a believer in the dallas cowboys, the best offensive line in the nfl. i know murray left. but to me, it starts with there. romo is set up for a year, and

they'll make up for some of the defensive losses. it's all going to be about the colts and andrew luck. he builds upon last year. i think this year they get out to san francisco and super bowl 50. >> if it's thursday, it's nbc football. >> it's game day. some kind of saying. mark and mary both thank you for your time. that is it for us at 3:00 p.m. i'm ari melber. ayman mohyeldin is next. it's finally back, with as much shrimp as you want, any way you want 'em. one taste of these new pineapple habanero coconut shrimp bites, and i already want more. they even brought back wood-grilled teriyaki shrimp! yeah, you heard me: teriyaki. and really: what's not to love about... ...buttery garlic shrimp scampi?

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we're following breaking news on capitol hill, the long fought senate showdown over iran is coming down to a vote happening right now, in a largely partisan battle. republicans are moving to scuttle the president's nuclear deal with iran, let's go back to kelly o'donnell. kelly, thanks for joining us, the vote underway, key democrats appear to have enough support to make sure this does not pass. what is expected to happen here in the coming hours. >> did is still being held on the floor. the democrats are using the rules of the senate there were times when senate democrats decried the use of the filibuster. democrats will use it today, we expect. sources tell us they have enough votes to block the next stage of what republicans wanted to see a vote taken on, that is this resolution of disapproval,