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now that's a full weekend. join in and guess the five stops they made by tweeting #altimaweekendcontest for a chance to win your own weekend adventure! car radio: with our monday morning traffic report... it is friday afternoon. september 11th. i'm ari melber. 14 years after the 9/11 terror attacks, heated debates over which group poses the biggest threat to the united states. right now, the president is holding a town hall with service me believes at fort meade. let's listen in. >> once you're no longer president. >> those are great questions. what part of texas are you from? >> harker heights, texas. >> tell everybody back home i said hi. >> yes, sir. >> for service member who is
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aren't aware, what we're referring to when we talk about mbk is what we call my brother's keeper. one of the most important principles i think of america is that no matter who you are, no matter what you look like, if you work hard you can get ahead. there are pockets of poverty in places where people don't have an opportunity. and that's particularly true among young men who too often are ending up in prison instead of going to school or serving our military so what we've been trying to do is set up mentor programs. make sure they're aware of what's going on, provide them with job training. i had a meeting with some folks in new orleans, young men who just come from terrible circumstances, terrible neighborhoods, and we want to make sure that they're aware of how they can break the cycle and do right by themselves and
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ultimately do right by their families and one of the young men sitting next to me was interested in enrolling in the marines but he was worried that he had heard a rumor he might not if he had tattoos. i said i don't think -- i've met marines. i don't think that's a problem. so we're -- so but it gives you a sense of some young people are so out of the loop and have so little exposure they don't know where to go and how to, you know, apply themselves in ways that allow mem to succeed. so, we are working diligeigentln that, not just ourselves but businesses and our military leaders he s helping out on thi issue. young women, we have a whole another set of initiatives in the white house -- we have a white house council on women and girls to provide opportunity for
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them, as well. i have to say, generally, the young women are doing better than the young men. that's because you guys are a little smarter. but obviously, think need opportunities, as well. in terms of what i'm going to miss the most, you know, i meant what i said. the greatest privilege i have is serving as your commander in chief. when i travel around the world, every place i go i see folks who are doing incredible work. and it's not typically fighting. a lot of times it's helping train other countries. so that they can secure themselves. a lot of times it's helping on engineering projects or development projects or helping people after a natural disaster. you are ambassadors and spread goodwill around the world every single day at enormous sacrifice
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to yourself. president obama talking about military members being ambassadors of goodwill. we'll dip back in if we hear anything news worthy and vice president joe biden marking 9/11 here in manhattan, he visited the rescue company 1 that lost nearly half the first responders on 9/11. >> god created all men equal. but then he created firefighters. there's some truth to it and the same can be said of police officers. real courage is when you know what you're about to do, you have had time to think about it, you know the likely consequence and you still do it. that's courage. >> now biden's visit there today came a few hours after that emotional appearance on late night television opening up to stephen colbert about the death of his son beau and the impact it's having on his consideration
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of any run for the white house. >> look. i don't think any man or woman should run for president unless, number one, they know exactly why they would want to be president. and two, they can look at the folks throughout and say, i promise you you have my whole heart, my whole soul, my energy and my passion to do this. and i'd be lying if i said that i knew i was there. >> some moving comments today. a lot of folks talking about. meanwhile, a look at the polls. quinnipiac there putting donald trump 6 points ahead of ben carson in iowa. nearly 20 points ahead of ted cruz. right now, we go to nbc news political editor carrie dann. walk us through both the talk of the town, everyone looking at joe biden sharing his pain and
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his thought process. as well as anything you want to tell us about what these numbers mean. >> well, so much candor of joe biden yesterday in this interview with stephen colbert and he's been pretty consistent with the things he's said, honest about the struggle with the grief and i think it's something that anyone that watches him sees how much pain he is still in. this is the third time. remember last month on a call with democratic national committee members and said he wasn't sure his heart and soul pretty banged up. for people watching biden, can a man saying i'm not sure i can emotionally do this can turn around in three, four, five weeks and whatever time it is and say i've thought about it and prepared now and emotionally ready for it? that's the big question to ask. a big headline of the new quinnipiac poll, scott walker at
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3%. >> yeah. get him sometime to think about what happened to a lot of buzz that was initially excited among conservatives and heart lantd conservatives, especially for walker. other thing is for folks watching today, before the president, we were also playing some live remarks of ben carson in ferguson, missouri, taking questions there. he is speaking more and more as you know from covering this closely like someone who sees himself as a real first-tier conte contender. they go through stages sometimes. he is stepping up and talking more about not introducing himself but explaining why it's perfectly acceptable for a non-politician, a doctor like himself, in charge of everything in the country. walk us through the evolution he is going through in the pitch. >> you are starting to see ben carson, one, talk about the qualifications for president and talking to people who support ben carson they like the fact that he doesn't have political experience.
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>> sure. >> that's a big boon for them, he's somebody when's functioned outside of washington and did hear him say, look, i have done a lot else and difficult to be a neurosurgeon. i'm smart enough to be president. in the last week and the last 48 hours, we have seen him mixing it up with donald trump in a way he had not done previously and donald trump said i wish ben carson would take a hit at me and then ben carson two days ago took a very clear shot at donald trump's immigration plan and even yesterday talk about his -- the differentiation of his evangelical faith and donald trump's lack of talking about christianity on the campaign trail. but i think you're right to see himself as somebody second place in the polls nationally and key early states and let's explain who i am. worth thing worth noting not campaigning nor is donald trump stumping in iowa and south carolina and spending so much time in those states. he is relatively absent of i
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with and still in second place and seeing the organization in the early states look like, we'll have a better sense of the structure built to last. >> right. as we have been reporting today, he was in ferguson trying to tackle the big issues and policing and race. a different view than some of the emphasis of the president and interesting to see him make that case in the debate, as well. thank you. with more, strategist carnell belcher and a pollster for president obama's re-election campaign. how are you? >> well. and the initial campaign. >> not counting that far back. you know? what have you done for him lately would be the political question. as for joe biden, who you know well from being that white house strategy team, i want to play more sound from the interview tocques have been talking about. >> i went out to denver and landed at military base and meat whole group of military families which is not unusual and a rope line. about 100 yards from the
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aircraft. it was going great. and a guy in the back yells, major beau biden, bronze star, sir, served with him in iraq. and all of a sudden i lost it. how could you -- you know what i mean? that's not -- i shouldn't be saying this but that -- >> you know we -- >> you can't do that. >> you see the vice president there as a father thinking about his son who's passed. you think about the emotion which is real, the feeling is real. and yet, like so many people as you know who you have served in public life, he is making a choice to share some of that real emotion as he weighs potentially the interest and possibility of running. explain to us what you make of what we saw there last night. >> i think it's very humanizing. i think -- an it's clearly heartfelt and authentic. and, you know, i don't think you can put what the vice president is going through in political
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calculations because, look, i mean, we are a cynical town in washington and everything. we take through the calculation of politics but this is not political calculation. he is someone and as a father myself, he lost his son and you can clearly see he's struggling with that. and the grief is real. i will say this. and this is what people, my friends and people have been telling me who also saw that interview is that doesn't seem like someone who's going to run for president. i mean, it is like one of my favorite 'em soeds a couple seasons of "boardwalk empire" and said you can't be a halfway gangster. you can't be a halfway nominee for president. you can't halfway get into something as colossal as running for president and rightfully so i would bring in that the vice president's heart and mind is somewhere else. >> but you've previously been on the side of expecting him to run. >> i had been until these
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interviews and clearly -- >> this -- what you're saying and worked around him, you're saying what you are seeing the last couple of days moved you from expecting yes to expecting no? >> it has. look. i have not been -- i'm not part of the vice president's inner circle but watching this unfold, i mean, that is not a man who is what we used to talk about in south carolina during the primaries, fired up and ready. that's a man who's hurting for his son's loss. >> right. you look at the comparisons as people say, how's hillary clinton doing and are her numbers soft or just moving through what is still an according to aides a front-runner position and not trade with anyone else for any other position, they don't want to say where bernie is and look at this comparison and in '07, clinton then august 2007 she was up -- with 48 points there. obama rising as you remember. you look now.
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42 points. the biden possibility when you poll it, 22. combine them to argue that's 44 for some other option. with your expertise as a pollster, do you think her 40 number here is a ceiling or a floor or something else? >> i'm going to go on a different direction and it's what we actually talked about in 2007. and that is, it's not a national race. it's a state by state race so we get too caught up in the national numbers. >> sure. >> also what you look for in the national numbers is her favorability among democrats, you talk about a lot about her taking a hit around the e-mail stuff but among democrats, not like a favorability is dropping. but it's i think a state by state race and they may say they wouldn't want to be in any other position but it's harding to the front-runner in the democratic primary process this far out because, you know, as you know, our history's littered with
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front-runners who eventually did not make it. it is hard to take all that incoming right now. i think they have taken a lot of incoming more from the press and around the e-mail stuff. a lot of incoming, quite frankly. the fact she is still -- look, her numbers dropped and still got a 20-point lead and not going to beat anyone by 20 or 30 points these days and not the nature of politicians. she is still in a strong position. the state by state numbers are softening up. that's where i would be concerned more so than the national number. >> she is facing off against the hypotheticals of joe biden and bernie sanders, someone who's excited a lot of people and isn't even really a me believe of the democratic party and not necessarily someone people expect to be president even if they're saying -- saying the people want out of the president. thanks for your time today. >> thank you. ahead, the latest on the republican side of the race including surprising results of a poll, who's in and out and also of the next big republican
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debate next week and a deleted donald trump's campaign doesn't want you to see. tennis great serena williams' quest to win every grand slam title in a calendar year came to a shocking end. losing to unseeded italian roberta vincini. williams would have been as many remarked the first woman to win all major events in one year since graf in 1988. big news there and more ahead. also -- >> we want to show you this. a 9/11 tradition at ground zero. when we come back, the sights and sounds of today's remember balance ceremony. a look at the terror threats as they evolve today in a post- 9/11 world. and the day's other headlines this hour. take a look at another photo gloing viral on social media. a rainbow appearing over the freedom tower on the eve of 9/11.
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remember balance today as the nation honors the men and women killed 14 years ago on september 11th. president obama marking the anniversary, spending time with u.s. service members at fort meade. we played some of that earlier in the hour. pentagon arranged the special global town hall so the president could talk directly with service members in person and online. nbc's ron motte at ground zero in lower manhattan. hello, ron. >> reporter: hey there, ari. time heals all wounds, that's true in a lot of cases but in this case, especially according to a family that got up today to speak, it could be a thurhundre years and still feels like it happened yesterday. you can see the gleaming tower standing behind us. open for business. 1 world trade. it was design settled on to replace the twin towers that well and it was not just here where they're remembering the people and shanksville,
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pennsylvania, where united 93 was crashed. they opened a new visitor's center there and of course you started the hour with the president having a town hall where the folks serves in the armed forces and the pentagon hit on that day. also a lot of service work going on today and perhaps the most positive outgrowth from 9/11 and all the thing that is have changed since is that there was a call to service on this day and the folks that run a website called 9/11 day.org, it's a group of my good deed say that 40 million of us today are going to be donating a little bit of time to do something that's going to benefit someone else so perhaps that's the most positive way perhaps to remember those 3,000-plus people who lost their lives 14 years ago today. >> thank you. we appreciate it. now we turn to david rothkobb. you are a journalist and a
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policy person who spends a lot of time thinking through these issues. tell me your thoughts for starters on 9/11, on this anniversary. >> well, first, i think you start with the human side as it as you were just discussing. almost 3,000 people's lives lost, countless numbers of families affected and the wounds remain open and you have to start with your thoughts with them but as you look out beyond it, you see an event which has changed the decade and a half that's followed. not only did it change the u.s., send the u.s. into two wars, in the region, changed the region, destabilize it, but, you know, you can trace the plight of the syrian refugees marching into europe back to 9/11 because that's where the destabilization started. that's where america, you know, started to come to grips with the role it wanted to play in
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the middle east. and so, the repercussions can be seen everywhere, not just in that region, not just in america. but really, around the world today. >> yeah. well, david, you say that and think about what is policy at the end of the day? in a democracy, it is the public official response to events and problems. 9/11 being an unprovoked evil attack, a mass murder of innocents. we were thinking about this in our newsroom about some of the policy responses. i'll put up on the screen a few. you think about the patriotic act passed right advantage. the freedom act pass third degree year to curtail some of those initial powers that then lasted about 14 years. the war as you mentioned of course in afghanistan which many people saw as the right response. the iraq war, more far more controversial. the drone program. guantanamo. two presidents talked about closing. neither achieved and then out to the intervention in libya and,
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you know, monitoring or managing the arab spring. in your view, at this point, what are the 9/11 policy reactions that we have gotten right and which still need to be further reformed? >> well, you know, i think any president of the united states would responded to 9/11 trying to find out who did it and go in and seek retribution. i think that was our intervention in afghanistan at least the initial phase of it. i'm not sure any other president other than president bush and his team would have gone into iraq or did what we did in iraq, clearly, i think that was an overreaction and i think some of our reactions at home were overreactions. i don't say that in a critical way. after a trauma, that's exactly what countries and people do. i think president obama came in as a reaction to the overreaction and he may have underreacted to some things and tried to get out of some parts of the region too quickly. you know, there are a couple of
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other kinds of implications this has had. isis risen up. focusing on al qaeda back then, isis is much bigger, more terrorists in the world, more attacks in the past world, more victims in the past year. and that's because of the instability. you might also say the iran deal had something to do with it. our relations with saudi arabia, our relations with that part of the arab world were changed when most of the attackers came from saudi arabia. >> right. >> and although we don't articulate it, you sense a shift that's taken place over the past 14 years away from the saudis because there's a perception that there were pockets within that society that were really behind all of this. so everywhere you look, you see the shadows, the reflections and the aftershocks of the attack that is took place 14 years ago today. >> certainly. foreign policy, david, thank you for your time. up next, breaking news out
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serena williams upset at the u.s. open, this is what everyone is talking about right now. we have got "the washington post" sports reporter jacob feldman joining me on the phone. what just happened? >> yeah. pretty wild afternoon here, williams won the first set. and then, you know, vi kri nci from italy won the next two and stunned 5,000 today and just ended a couple of minutes ago. >> everyone is talking about serena's road here. this particular player was apparently unseeded and not seen as a big barrier. >> absolutely. she was coming into the tournament ranked 43rd in the
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world and really made it this far largely due to withdrawals. >> so, jacob, you look at this upset, this stunning upset of serena williams, an athlete that's bigger than tennis, beloved around the country. people were coming this. what in the game itself in your view happened? i mean, what about her play that fell apart? >> yeah. i mean, it is hard to say. she won more points but the ones that matter late ended up going to vicini who was aggressive in the last few games and took it when she had the opportunity, i guess. >> wow. watching some of this footage. extraordinary and unexpected. cannot predict sports just like anything else. williams losing the-6, 6-4, 6-4. thank you. >> thank you. now we have some very different type of breaking news
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out of arizona. another story, investigators talking to two people of interest in the string of highway sniper attacks in phoenix. scott cohen is there for us. scott, there are reports of additional shootings today. where do things stand? >> reporter: well, ari, this's a good question. we're in one of these stages in a story like this where speculation gets into a pretty spirited foot race with the facts and the authorities are trying to rein that in a little bit. the department of public safety tweeting a short time ago to the media, please allow state troopers and detectives to do their work. you could possibly be interfering. so here's what we know. two people of interest were taken into custody. this confirmed to nbc news. not far from here. about five or six miles down the road. it is not clear if either or both of them are still in custody. it is not even clear according to the authorities whether this is directly related to the shootings. so far, officially, 11
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shootings, vehicles shot, shot at or projectiles thrown at them since august 28th. about 2 weeks ago. we know that four school districts in the area diverted the school buss to stay away from the freeway and motorists and not all of them staying off of the freeways a. city on edge but we do not know whether these latest developments mean a move forward in the case or just feed into the speculation. >> ari? >> a lot of speculation and understandable fear in the community. scott, thank you for your reporting. we have developing news out of south carolina where a judge is deciding whether a former police officer charged with the murder of an unarmed black man captured on camera should be freed on bail. mark potter joining us from charleston. bond hearings don't usually take quite this long. when's going on? >> reporter: well, ari, it hasn't really been all that long given the controversial and emotional nature of the case. there was a hearing yesterday afternoon, there was a little
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bit of a follow-up hearing this morning and the judge only had the case for a few hours for his consideration. now, that judge clifton newman said that he will try to rule as expeditiously as possible. we are standing outside the courthouse awaiting the ruling although there's absolutely no guarantee that it could happen today. it could be another day. in court this morning, the former police officer the defendant told the defendant he is not a flight risk. he'll obey all the rules of the court should he wibe let out on bond and not a danger to the community and would like to be with his family an newborn son while awaiting the hearing. the prosecutor said he is a flight risk, a doing tore the community because of the serious charges against him and the very strong evidence against him. the victim's family, the family of walter scott also opposes him getting out on bond and yesterday his brother and mother spoke to the judge. it was very emotional.
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they say they have been deprived of their right to be with walter scott. the defense has said that this is not a slam dunk case that they're going to offer a self-defense claim in the trial, the prosecutor has said that this was an execution. so the judge has a lot to consider, ari, and that's why it may be taking sometime to make that decision. back to you. >> thank you. obama administration vowing to welcome at least 10,000 syrian refugees in the next fiscal year. hungary says anyone will be arrested illegally crossing the border. claudio lavagna reporting. how's this plan being received in. >> reporter: well, ari, in a way, the proposal to arrest refugees crossing the border is nothing new. we have seen in the last few days and weeks the police here in hungary just taking by force the refugees and to a refugee center and they are being force bring detained effectively. when's more concerning may be,
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ari, the conditions they're kept in. now, today, we have seen in the last few days how that refugee center is overcrowded, people sleeping outside in the cold, the rain. when's even more concerning is what we have seen from inside that compound. well, finally, we have seem some rare pic from inside thanks to an amateur video shot by an aide worker who was allowed to get in with the hungarian red cross and shows tens if not hundreds of refugees piling up in front of a handful of policemen trying desperately to catch a -- one of those plastic bags, thrown into the crowd full of sandwiches and bottles of water and many left without it, ari. >> wow. another moving images of when's a humanitarian crisis. thank you for your reporting and also getting the first look at a an exclusive look at an interview of joyce mitchell. matt lauer sat down with the former prison worker now of course behind bars for her role
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breaking news out of saudi arabia. deadly crane collapse there in mecca along the country's western coast. defense officials saying at least 87 people killed. and more than 180 more people injured. wind speeds at the time of the collapse reportedly up to 20 or 30 miles per hour. here at home, dramatic moments in washington, d.c.'s union station shortly before 1:00 p.m. eastern. police say a male guard shot a suspect for stabbing a woman. back to the top story in
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politiciiti politics, heard from ben carson, we are five days from the next big gop presidential debate. carson on the stage. the new poll also showing donald trump doing better in iowa, nearly tripling the support of republicans there and the state holding the primary of course caucus in february. we go now now to dom nomic. how are you? >> thanks for having me on today. i appreciate it. >> yeah. starting with the trump numbers. you can't deny something is happening here. two months ago, he was around 10% according to quinnipiac. scott walker, gop leader in iowa. now leading ben carson. a massive gap with cruz. he's tripled cruz in iowa. so a lot there. the other thing people when talking about here on 9/11, unfortunately, to get into po
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politics but post with a weird tweet and then deleting it. as you know, people say, oh, he is authentic, sending the tweets out. see the mind-set on a day for i think honoring the fallen and talking about haters and losers and deleting it. >> it's certainly a tragic day an one where, you know, talking about politics, a number of things happened since 9/11 that changed our political conversation for the worst. in a lot of ways a ten sense we feel now more divided and more divisive in the current conversation than i think we ever what v in the past and historical comparisons there and the number s you are talking about, trump and car son, from all of these and the declean of scott walker, i don't think it occurred in a vacuum. i don't think you've seen a 50-point turnaround in terms of donald trump's favorability numbers of republicans and amazing feat for anybody to pull
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off because of only what trump has said. i think it's also because of what you have seen from the republican elite over the past couple of months. over the past couple of weeks, in particular, we have seen them say that they're going to keep the government open by spending more money as the president wishes. they have gone against all of the different social conservative base outraged over the videos of planned parenthood and the strategy of trying to block the president coming the iran deal is totally unworkable and not going to be able to achieve anything. that's something that undermines each aspect of the republican coalition on fiscal matters, social matters and on national security matters and i think that's why you see such demand for outsiders. >> you're talking about political inconsistency and putting forward a thesis that the republican elites in inconsistent and trump inconsistent, they rather go with the guy tougher, newer and less established. >> exactly. >> you write in the new piece saying trump's support is solid despite the simple fact of the
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policy positions. single payer abortion, recent past as a hillary donating obama voting democrat. none of them matter to his supporters and because the chief argument requires you to believe in the republican party as a vehicle for something different than the democratic, a fact that's no longer an item of belief for many voters. ben? >> well, i appreciate you quoting from one of my favorite writers. but i think you're completely correct. i think this is a scenario where essentially the rules don't apply to trump because the base of support, the republicans have counted on for so many years no longer believes in them as a vehicle for their own priorities. they view them as being open for business when it comes to other priorities, business concerns, wall street, et cetera. what k street lobbyists and doesn't matter donald trump so inconsistent with policy as long as he's someone that basically demonstrates talking about foreign policy, this kind of
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spirit of beling rent pro-american stance and when america believes that -- basically so many americans believe america is not respected around the world. the white house -- >> you're putting it forward as an interesting idea. that's a part of the dynamic. i think the other part of the dynamic is when's doing the attacking and so far it is second tier folks or folks seen as pushing an agenda. rand paul coming up for air saying he's going to get at trump and felt like a bid for rand paul to be relevant. here's bobby jindal, not a leader in the field. take a listen. >> donald trump's not solution. donald trump is not a serious candidate. he's a narcissist. he's an egomaniac. he's never read the bible. donald trump is not a serious person. this is a carnival act. donald trump is for donald trump. donald trump is insecure and weak. >> now, contrast that from someone losing to someone surging in ben carson saying this just this afternoon.
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>> well, the question is, do i want to respond to donald trump's charges? the answer is, no. i really don't because, you know, what i have discovered is that the media loves to stoke up controversy. and have people fighting each other like gladiators. and i think that's exactly the wrong thing to do. >> what's the strategy there, ben? >> i don't think that the media has to work that hard to increase any kind of gladiator game between trump and the rest of the field. >> right. >> he does that pretty much himself. i do think that for someone when's a serious candidate like bobby jindal with a serious policy back ground, this has to be a frustrating moment for him in the sense that donald trump seems like a carnival act. i think the important thing to bridge here, the important balance to strike is respect for donald trump's supporters, respect for their priorities and their concerns without necessarily getting into when
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whether you respect donald trump as a political kand did it or not. i think that's the balance that ben carson is trying to strike. i'm not sure he can maintain it. we'll have to see what comes up in the next debate. >> ben, thank you for your time. up next, the 2016 candidates stepping -- >> i would be the youngest woman ever elected president of the united states. >> i will build a wall between the united states and iran. and make mexico pay for it. >> there you see it. hillary on ellen. jeb bush doing the best impression. candidates in the spotlight. how critical are the swings she we'll ask a brand expert when we come back. can you spot the difference? no? you can't see that? alright, let's take a look. the one on the right just used 1% less fuel than the one on the left. now, to an airline, a 1% difference could save enough fuel to power hundreds of flights around the world. hey, look at that. pyramids. so you see, two things that are exactly the same
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tonight donald trump will appear in person, not on the phone, on "the tonight show" with jimmy fallon. everyone is wondering if we will see his impression of the donald. >> hello baa-rack. >> i know you skipped the republican forum tonight -- >> thagt that's right. >> you got the debate coming up this week. >> it is a big debate. it is yuge. >> candidates for the talk show circuit. one complete with serious moments this week. >> he said dad i know how much you love me. you got to promise me something. promise me you're going to be all right. because no matter what happens dad i'm going to be all right. >> controversy. >> i'm saying illegal
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immigration is a tremendous problem in this country. and i want them out. >> and zingers. >> how many of us when we got kpoited about things didn't just go jeb. >> all in florida they do. when they see me. most of them out of happiness or deep anger. >> what would you like to be called? >> i'm fine with grandma. i'm fine with madam president. whatever strikes you. >> dancing. even though hillary's husband bill is saying his wife's nae nae could use a bit of work. that is a real thing. and the next week clinton, sanders and trump all doing their own late night appearances. it is part of a shift how people try to reach voters and it's accelerated lately. while candidates have always done some things for a late barack obama was the first sitting president to do a late night show.
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what do you make of how this works? and as we just showed, it is a different way to connect but it is not only humor. it is not only light. >> it is a different way to connect because we don't watch the news the way we used to. when i was a young man the family used to sit home and watch the evening news. that is not the way the world works anymore. younger people and people who are important voters, important demographics watched steven colbert and jon stewart and comedy centrally and the late nights shows. and that is where they get they're news and information and entertainment all in one fell swoop. and you add to that the long tail. and the long tail is social media. when you have a good appearance or a bad appearance it has a life beyond the few minutes you spend on the set. >> and pugh research looked at this in the 2012 race and found
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more americans tuned to snl and daily show and tonight show than to national newspapers for campaign news. and part of that i think for the candidates is to get out of the comedy filter because the caricature that emerges may get them name id and get some notice but they also want to show up directly in that environment to say here's who i am as the human being. >> well it is truly a balancing act. if you are going to go on a comedy show, you have to have some warmth and humor and you have to be able to make fun of yourself. real or staged, chris christie walking off fallon because of a fat joke didn't work well for him. i know he got a big social media bump but i don't think it was positive. >> you mention that. let me put up for viewers. they study this as well. and they found christie got a 17% spike in social media mentioned. 12% in tv mentions.
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a big bump for a candidate struggling to breakthrough is their take but you are saying that cuts both ways. >> absolutely. and you have to be able to go in. it is their show and you are still a guest. and you have to look, i think -- i think hillary clinton did a very good job on ellen of that balancing act of being fun and trying to dance and playing along yet still being herself and talking about issues that matter. and that is -- >> who do you think is best suited for this? >> well i thought hillary did well. it wasn't a performance that got a lot of tail on social media. but it was a great demographic audience for her. really the base that was there. i thought jeb bush was the candidate given the best opportunity this week but debate make much of it. it was frankly a lackluster
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appearance. >> sounds like using a euphemism for what trump calls him, which is low energy. >> well it was. and when you are going to go on this talk show, you have to up your energy. you have to play the game. and i think it is frankly a metaphor for his campaign that he was given this great opportunity and couldn't exploit it. the best appearance in my mind was a shadow candidate, vice president joe biden on colbert. i thought it was a beautiful, authentic appearance. and you couldn't watch that whatever your political persuasion and not be deeply moved by that conversation. >> absolutely. i mean that is what everyone's talking about. i got you here moving apart from politics and to the fun itself. how do you think colbert is doing here with his new format? >> i think he's doing great. i think he's doing a format that he's not trying to be anybody but himself. he's authentic to himself. the mix of politics. the mix of entertainment. the mix of empathy. the mix of humor. and understand something. people look at the ratings.
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late night is very profitable part of the networks dollars and revenue strain. but you don't have to win to win. if you aggregate a significant audience a clear demographic. david letterman didn't win very often but he was on for years because people respected him. i think colbert is going to have the same kind of run. >> love dave. he had the better human and dog tricks too. thanks for your time today. i'm ari melber. aman mohyeldin is up next. and emphysema. spiriva is a once-daily inhaled copd maintenance treatment that helps open my airways for a full 24 hours. spiriva helps me breathe easier. spiriva respimat does not replace rescue inhalers for sudden symptoms.
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donald trump reigned supreme in iowa, as a new poll shows he surged 17 moints there the last month. and will he or won't he? joe pieden speaks out on a possible run. >> do you have anything you would like to tell us right now about your plans? >> yes. [ applause ] i think you should run for president again, and i'll be your vice president. >> also developing, is there a break in the hunt for a phoenix sniper or snipers? police are questioning two people of interest. we're live in phoenix straight ahead. and move over deflategate. are you ready for this? head set gait. mike tomlin is not happy about a head set issue. now the nfl is reviewing the incident. >> we were listening to the patriots radio b
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