and then there were only 16. good morning to you. i'm ari melber many steve kornacki. the list of candidates for the republican nomination has been growing for months. but now it's starting to shrink. texas governor dropping out slamming trump on his way out the door. we have a lot an how that news impacts the field. also joe biden's emotional

interview and what it suggests about hillary clinton's path to the nomination. the new york police department releasing footage of the controversial mistaken arrest of james blake, being tackled by undercover detectives in a case of mistaken identity. in phoenix we're following the disturbing highway shootings, police questioning a man in that investigation. we begin with the first casualty of the 2016 race for president. it wasn't exactly a prize when former texas governor rick perry made the announcement he was bowing out last yesterday in st. louis, but it was significant. >> when i gave my life to christ, i said your ways are greater than my ways. your will is superior to mine. today i submit to you his will remains a mystery, but some

things have come and become very clear to me. that is why today i am suspending my campaign for the presidency of the united states. >> a little philosophy mixed with cold hard facts there. perry's second bid for the white house never really gained any traction. he had trouble raising money, couldn't get out of the mid single digits and never made it to the coveted main debate stage. he believes only days before the second deb braet and as he departs, he leaves the republican party with words of caution about their crept so-called front-runner. >> my second warning is this. we cannot indulge nativist appeals that divide the nation further. the answer to our current divider-in-chief is not to elect a republican divider-in-chief. >> joining me, rick unger, senior political editor with

forbes along with the other half of steele and ung ger, michael steele, former chairman of the republican policy, eleanor cliff, washington correspondent with "the daily beast." eleanor, let's start with rick perry saying basically donald trump is a big problem, and on the way out the door, the only real candidate-specific message he had was stop flirting with this guy. >> well, if the republican party is going to walk away from donald trump, about eight or nine other candidates will have to suspend their campaigns, because you have all the anti-trump votes divided among a multitude of candidates. i think the 30% that trump is getting now is probably his floor and his ceiling. i must say that rick perry, to say a word about his campaign, he never recovered from that

oops moment. when you think what a touring figure he was briefly in the '08 campaign, and he's really a marvelous retail campaigner, very congenial. also a former democrat and understands the sensibilities of people who aren't necessarily diehard republicans. but he never recovered, and i think he's smart to get out. i love the word suspended the campaign. it's such a euphemism. what does that mean? he'll be back in four years, six months? >> if every other candidate falls apart, he's ready. michael, think about the oops moment, the one thing everybody knows about rick perry, whether you're interested in politics or not. as a republican, as a fellow user of glasses for intellect, why do you think this dodged him -- >> i'm going to eat my doughnut. >> did it ratify something

people are already concerned about, some minimum bar of intellect that he somehow -- >> i don't think it had anything to do with intelligence at all. i think it goes back to what eleanor said. i think it was the moment on the stage, that oops moment. and it weakened people's idea of him. he came back, put the glasses on. i thought he was stronger, better this time around. that is the guy i thought i would have seen four years before. but there were so many other forces working against him coming into this that to claim that space and to create that new identity was just harder to do when you had the trumps and the rubios and so many other forces that were on that stage with him. >> it's a great story, a great political story that somebody is going to go right. michael's got it right. his presence going back four years before the oops moment was extraordinary. i am still somewhat amazed that a brain freeze, and that's what it was, during the debate, could

completely trash a political career. the other thing i find unfortunate -- i'm not a supporter of rick perry's, not likely to ever happen, but you can tell he spent the past four years studying. he actually studied to know what he needed to know to run for president, and it got him nowhere. >> you want to think somebody running for president is pretty well prepared, not that they've got to do this crash course of studying. also i think the longest serving governor ever. >> we should mention he's also the only governor under current indictment. >> there's that, too. >> the last thing i want to get to before we go to interesting joe biden sound, is rand paul responded to this -- reading it again as a chance to say something about donald trump. what does it say about gop when a 3 1/2 term governor with a successful record of creating jobs bows out as a reality star leads in the polls? >> it says politics is

entertainment and in the early stages people want to be entertained. i don't think the race has gotten serious, with quotes around the word serious. i still think trump is a long shot to be elected president, although i think like others i can see he might have a path to the nomination. >> oh, he does. >> you said it's entertainment. what was interesting about this joe biden interview everyone is talking about, on an entertainment show getting so serious. for folks who haven't seen it, it's incredible. i've seen it more than once. it's worth watching. biden bearing his soul, sitting down with stephen colbert on the new "late show." this is thursday. >> i want to talk about the elephant in the room which in this case is a donkey. [ laughter ]. >> do you have anything you'd like to tell us right now about your plans? [ cheers and applause ] >> i think you should run for

president again, and i'll be your vice president. >> biden shared his feelings and thinking in very direct terms. >> look, i don't think any man or woman should run for president unless, number one, they know exactly why they would want to be president and, two, they can look at the folks out there and say, i promise you, you have my whole heart, my whole soul, my energy and my passion to do this. and i'd be lying if i said that i knew i was there. nobody has a right in my view to seek that office unless they're willing to give it 110% of who they are, and i am -- as i said, i'm optimistic. i'm positive about where we're going, but i find myself -- i

understand that sometimes it just overwhelms you. >> the thing keeping joe biden overwhelmed and from potentially not being able to give 110%, is he's still mourning the death of his sewn beau, the former attorney general of delaware, who died of brain cancer in may. >> my mom had an expression. he said, as long as you're arrive you have an obligation to strive and you're not dead until you see the face of god. it's been imbued in me, my siblings, my grandfather, no one owes you anything. no one owes you anything, you've got to get up. and i feel like i was letting down beau, i've let down my parents, my family. >> how have you let them down? >> if i didn't just get up.

think of all the people you know going through horrible things, and they get up every morning and put one foot in front of the other and they don't have, like i said, anything like the support i have. i marvel, i marvel at the ability of people to absorb hurt and just get back up. >> the vice president also touching on one moment when he felt he'd lost control of his emotions when he was working a rope line this summer and he was speaking with military families at a base in denver. >> i was talking about them being the backbone and sin knew of this country. it was going great. and a guy in the back yells, major beau biden, bronze star, sir, serviceman in iraq. all of a sudden, i lost it. that's not -- i shouldn't be

saying this. you can't do that. >> eleanor, you look at that, you're looking at somewhat who a lot of us didn't know to some degree and people in the country feel like they know. in politics, you get to know the different cadences of these folks. this is joe biden grieving. >> major beau biden bronze star brought tears to my eyes. initially when it was floated that the vice president might get into the race, it was framed in terms that this was what beau biden would have wanted. this was a death bed wish. i think there are lots of complicated emotions here, but there's also the reality of, is there a path to the nomination for joe biden who has had eight pretty staller years as a vice president. i think those who admire him fear there might not be the ground swell out there. they'll love him until the day he announces, and then all the things they didn't like about him will come out.

is that how he wants to cap his political career. on the other hand, if there is a groundswell out there, you've got a pretty bruising fight between hillary clinton and joe biden who are friends. >> talk about a team of rivals, rivals of rivals. >> i'm sure they're doing a lot of number crunching, and then he's got an emotional decision to make. >> and you look at him, talking to colbert, michael. stephen colbert dealt with incredible personal tragedy. biden is very direct. it's out there. he references that as well. let's take a listen to that. >> it's interesting. the people i find who i'm most drawn to are people who have -- who have been hurt -- i'm not going to embarrass you, but you're one of them, old buddy. no, no, no, no. your mom, your family, losing your dad when you were a kid and

three brothers. it's just -- it's like asking what made your mother do it every day? how did she get up every single day with 11 kids -- >> well, she had to take care of me, you know. she did. that's it. we were there for each other. >> and she did a hell of a job. >> it's a very human moment. we talk in politics, what's your story? why do you care about what you care about? people around joe biden say that's why he is who he is. >> it's the thing that makes him stand out in this field, republican or democrat. it's that every-man idea of joe biden, who he is, the personal relationships. you look at the parade footage of him breaking the line, going to people, shaking their hand, immerse himself with people, riding amtrak. this is a guy who lives his life despite the trappings of office,

the way the rest of us do. in that sense when you put him up against someone like a donald trump, that will be an interesting contrast. people look at donald trump as the every man billionaire. well, this is blue collar joe. this is someone who is even a little bit more close to the salt of the earth. the pressure on joe is exactly what eleanor said it is. the reality he's facing, i get the emotion, everyone is with me, they're feeling that empathy. but the moment he announces, washington takes over. and all that that means in a presidential campaign becomes the focus. so all the crazy comments, all the tengs in the past, all that stuff becomes part of the political narrative again. >> i should say at the outset, of course i'm a long-time joe biden fan. i very much want him in this race. i came away with two things from that interview. the first was, i'm amazed that anybody has the ability to talk like that and express himself

and show those emotions in front of a tv camera. it just astounded me. the second thing i came away with is how much this horrible experience has aced him and how much that showed on the colbert very view. that concerns me in terms of whether or not he might decide to go forward. >> with a different type of candidate, you may say is this some sort of pre planned phase to the next thing, to the next thing. with joe biden, this is his process. cornell belcher who worked on both obama campaigns as a pollster was saying i think he's probably going to run, and like himself, a little biden fan who says, you know, it looks like he's not running from the way he's letting it out. >> life does things sometimes. it changes plans. >> a lot more on 2016. we want to give our viewers an update on this big story in arizona, a scary one. police questioning a man overnight in connection to now what are nearly a dozen shootings on the i-10 interstate

there, motorists calling in for the last two weeks reporting basically vehicles hit with gunfire, bullet-pieced seats. authorities asking for the public's help as well before the situation escalates further. >> we're taking every tip that the citizens of arizona are bringing into us. we do want to say thank you for that. those tips aid and help us with this further investigation. >> so we are going to bring you the latest from arizona in our next hour. still ahead, the dramaality the u.s. open both on and off the court. a lot to talk about. first, the story of the summer in the 2016 race for president, that's all ahead. stay with us. but i keep it growing by making every dollar count. that's why i have the spark cash card from capital one. i earn unlimited 2% cash back on everything i buy for my studio. ♪ and that unlimited 2% cash back from spark means thousands

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week that really encapsulated what a wild summer it's been in the race for president, both for the democrats and republicans. here is how the race looked at the start of the summer. we had a quinnipiac poll in june, scott walker at the top of the crowded field, donald trump and ben carson, the two outsiders, people didn't know what to make of them. they were just beginning to rise. look at this now. three months later scott walker's lead has fallen 15 points from first in the state and sitting in a comfortable tenth place. donald trump risen to the top of the field. you know that. ben carson getting a real look, trailing closely behind him in the key state. on the other side of the race, bernie sanders has overtaken hillary clinton. sanders has been leading clinton in recent new hampshire polls. this is the first time he's pulled ahead in iowa. the change of fortune more than a 12 point drop for clinton since the beginning of the summer.

cnn has a snapshot on the national race, showing hillary clinton once around 60% of the total vote, falling to within ten points of bernie sanders nationally. did you know there were that many democratic socialists around the country. >> define socialist. >> in fairness to him, he is not a communist or a traditional socialist. this is not, eleanor, what people thought was going to happen. let me start with the media question. why doesn't the political media, the washington press treat bernie sanders the way they treat donald trump as one who came out of nowhere and is polling up at the top of the race. he's still not getting that kind of treatment. >> well, he's not as entertaining as donald trump. bernie sanders gets out there and hits all his economic message points, and democratic activists love it. the crowds he's getting, he goes mostly to college towns and

urban areas. >> a crowd is a crowd. >> a crowd is a crowd. i traveled with howard dean in 2004 and i trout i was witnessing the next harry truman. i thought those crowds were pretty spectacular. it doesn't necessarily translate into support where it matters. i think the iowa poll, the way the votes are counted in the iowa caucuses on the democratic side, if your candidate doesn't get 15% of the people in the room, and it's all very public. so the votes that, believe it or not, martin o'malley and -- principally martin o'malley will be getting, you'll have clinton and sanders vying for them. >> a lot of political junkies talking about that o'malley bounce, that half a point to a point changes everything. >> well, but it will go to clinton or sanders. what i'm saying is organization really matters in iowa. i still think -- even if he overtakes her in iowa, i want to

say so what. even if he wins in new hampshire, that's more problematical. then comes the south, south carolina, african-americans. i don't think sanders support is broad enough to carry him. >> by that thesis, michael, that's a non-fluid race thesis, she can take some lumps and still be the front-runner. >> the alternative is she loses the first two states to bernie and the whole party goes, well, maybe we need to rethink this, maybe we need another candidate. >> that's the fear. they're counting on the sort of static approach that, okay, hillary is going to find a rough road in iowa or new hampshire. that's fine. but when we get to the south, that's her wall, the firewall they're counting on to protect her. she's going to be looking the the black vote. well, the black democrats i've talked to, they're not jumping up and down about hillary at this moment. she's got some work to do there. bernie has a solid civil rights record that maybe his team should talk to the black

community about a little bit more, and i believe they are. so there's a lot of fluidity here in terms of how this thing will play itself out which is great. i think the american people are saying we want a process that's shaken up a bit. we don't want this thing to be so sterile that it's automatic. >> rick, from a policy perspective, bernie sanders is running on something people understand, that the economy and washington are rigged by wall street, and that's the first thing, priority thing he's going to try to change. >> i think that's true. he also, by the way, has the one thing going for him that apparently is helping trump. people think he's an honest man. i don't necessarily think that about trump, but this is where his support is coming from. i've got to say, eleanor nailed it. we can all talk about how bernie has gotten ahead of hillary in iowa. you know what? the only thing that matters in iowa in the real world is the ground game, getting people to

the caucuses. hillary has an unbelievably good organization in iowa. hillary will win the iowa caucuses. i don't know about new hampshire. but she will go to south carolina and pull it off there. >> you managed the ground game -- >> i don't speak with that degree of certainty. >> that's a lot of certainty. >> that's a lot of certainty. hillary was organized for the iowa caucuses in 2002. how did she do? >> not as organized as she is now. a lot of obama's people are working for hillary. >> i don't discount people's emotions and how they feel about the candidates in this race. i think that's a big driver. hillary is losing support among democrats, not gaining it. iowa is no different. it is not immune from that emotion about her. >> you talk about the organizing piece, that's something we'll get to on both the democratic side which has the 15% floor as well as the republican side where there's certain people they're crying to recruit. we'll talk about at this hour a

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too gruesome to show in full. at least 107 people were killed, more than 200 injured, saudi authorities say. men in bloodied robes, stunned simply to have survived. the mosque is surrounded by giant construction cranes. a powerful storm apparently caused the collapse. mecca had been hit by high winds and heavy rain. a view from above shows the base of a huge crane toppled. emergency workers flooding the area carrying away the dead. they died on a holy day in a holy place, one believer said on twitter. a martyr's death, said another. mecca is just days away from a huge influx of visitors, the hajj pilgrimage. last year 2 million people attended. security forces often surround the area to keep it safe. what happened was a terrible and terrifying accident, killing people who were simply here to

praise god. keir simmons, nbc news, london. >> such a tragedy. thanks to keir for that report. still ahead on our broadcast, she's one of the leading voices in the senate, encouraging the senate to accept more refugees, minnesota senator amy cloeb chur will join us live. a supp set of a sub smet, a small influential group of voters we should be paying attention to in iowa. we'll be doing just that on the other side of this break. stay with us. if a denture were to be put under a microscope, we can see all the bacteria that still exists on the denture, and that bacteria multiplies very rapidly. that's why dentists recommend cleaning with polident everyday. polident's unique micro clean formula works in just 3 minutes, killing 99.99% of odor causing bacteria. for a cleaner, fresher, brighter denture every day.

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for republicans it often means evangelical christians, they made up 50% of caucus-goers. some of the most connected volunteers are a special subset of parents, the home schoolers. they may not get the media buzz of debates. that's why four candidates made time for the iowa home schooler's annual meeting in april. as the ap's cath lynn lucy reports, they're a subset that participates in the political process. as the chase in iowa rolls on, who is making the most headway with these iowa home schoolers? we'll go right to the source here, to kathy, a long-time reporter and political columnist for "the des moines register." how are you? >> terrific. how are you. >> fantastic. happy to have you join us. i want talk about rick santorum who home schools his own kids and did well in iowa last time.

>> i got the question the other day, will you be the first president who home schools your child in the white house because we home school our children. i reminded them that most presidents home schooled their children in the white house. for 150 years they home schooled their children in the white house. >> this certainly helped him there. is it going to help any other candidates right now if they connect with these organizers? >> any candidate who is conservative evangelical wants to connect with the home school crowd. they are not only very conservative, but they also work hard for the candidates. so if a candidate is able to unify the home schoolers, that would be the difference in the caucuses. this is a small group of roughly

10,000 children and multichild households, so we're talking about 10,000 adults or less probably. so it's not -- you're not going to win the caucuses necessarily just by having home schoolers. you have to have other coalitions as well. but mike huckabee, for example, was able to substantially unify these home school -- he was really the first one to tap this group, and i think it did make a difference for them, in part because these folks actually went out and campaigned for him. they make a bigger difference than just the average caucus-goer. >> that's the whole point, their ability to come out and be priests and captains and stand up at the caucus meeting and be visible and credible. there's an interaction there, you mentioned huckabee, with the policies that some of the conservatives are advancing, particularly an emphasis on pushing forward their ideas at the local family level, not relying on a far away

government. here is mike huckabee at the event i mentioned. take a listen. >> the decision for your children's education is not in the hands of the government. it is in the hands of the mothers and fathers who are not only responsible for bringing the children into the world, but who are responsible for training their replacements. >> who is in your view doing best among this group right now in this race? >> there's no way to really tell. there's no polls of home schoolers. i haven't seen prominent endorsements from that group yet. they have a number of choices. first of all, mike huckabee, they still like him. rick santorum, he still has home schooled kids. they still like him. ted cruz i think has done well with this group. some of them have been interested in the ron paul campaign in the past and may come over to rand paul, the libertarian, government leave me alone. >> stay with me, kathie.

i want to bring in ben steel. ben carson's approach to education is a big part of this. >> that's why you've seen in recent weeks more of a conversation with and among evangelicals in the party, because that is a base of support that a number of these candidates who are trying to get closer to trump to sort of build the ladder towards the top of the poll, they need that. i know when i ran in for the u.s. senate in 2006 in maryland, the home school community was a big part of helping me get organization. in fact, i had folks come in from pennsylvania who were interested in the campaign. they are a potent organizational tool for a candidate. >> absolutely. kathie abradovich, thanks for your time this morning. >> thank you. still ahead, business mogul, presidential candidate and now fashion icon. we're going to take a look at what earned donald trump his

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two big tennis stories headed into this weekend, the big upset of serena williams and the continued fallout to the mistaken arrest of james blake while en route to the open. last night fans cheered. a very public embrace of the star after his very public run-in with the law. here is what you need to know. last night the nypd released this surveillance video showing an undercover detective storming blake and threw him to the ground. this was wednesday. the video basically seems to confirm key parts of his account, that officer made physical contact without identifying himself, a violation of police rules.

blake spoke out about the incident and says he recognizes he has a bigger platform than most that might face false arrest or police harassment. >> i know a lot of people have no voice to have any recourse. i'm lucky enough to be sitting here with you and tell the story and let people know this happens too often. most times it's not to someone like me. >> new york's police commissioner bill bratton immediately apologized and placed the arresting officer on modified assignment and an investigation is in progress. this goes beyond special attention on one famous person's case. many critics and legal experts say new york police are routinely over aggressive. a federal judge ruled the department's stop and frisk policy equates to racial profiling, violating equal protection and those against unreasonable searches. in that ruling, in fact, the judge noted in about 4 million new york police stops over a span of eight years, most

suspects were not charged with any crime, and 80% of them, 80% of that 4 million were black or hispanic. joining us, michael skol nick, a documentary filmmaker and. and back at the table, michael steele. beyond the fact that we know about it and it got more attention because it was a celebrity, what does it mean to the rest of new yorkers. >> there has not been one piece of legislation passed in city council or the mayor since the death of eric gardner, almost a year ago. here you have another instance of excessive force. whether it's racial profiling or not, they're looking for a guy that looks like him, fair enough. but how do they treat him after they stop him, once they have him on the ground? james blake is lucky to be alive. if james blake resisted thinking this guy is trying to beat me up, i don't know who it is,

doesn't identify himself. he might be dead. they might put a bullet in his back. there's a piece of legislation called the right to know act that makes police officers identify themselves. here is a case he did not and we're lucky to see james black still alive. >> that video, it gives a picture of something we often hear after the fact where you've got to be very respectful of police, and they are authorized to police. this is a case where you wouldn't note -- it's like you wouldn't know who you were dealing. >> he's standing while black, as a friend of mine put itti mindi his own business. if he had resisted in anyway, if this would have escalate to a whole other level and the officer would have claimed justification, let's stop back and say, excuse me, sir, new york p.d., can i have a word

with you? what is wrong with that process? what about that does not work for the police is what a lot of frustration is about in the black community when it comes to how the police deals with individuals in the community. so community policing here. how the police want to engage even in a lawful arrest or detainment situation, those things matter. those early steps matter in approaching members of the community to make sure you're safeguarding your rights under the constitution, not doing the level of profiling that is borderline racist, and people feel, okay, you're justified in the ultimate action. >> i want to play one thing. a lot of this comes down to who is policing the police. reportedly they didn't even put a record down of this incident, mistaken arrest which they're required to do. if he wasn't a celebrity, we wouldn't even know about it.

>> our office has always investigated police misconduct where we have seen it, and if we believe it is criminal, we've proceeded to charge. it's happened in 16 or 17 police officer cases since i've been d.a. i can't speak to whether or not this will result in a criminal investigation by our office, but i'm sure we'll have more conversations with the commissioner about it. obviously, if police officers are engaged in systemic misconduct or conduct which is outrageous, this is a concern for the police commissioner, for the citizenry and a concern for me. >> so even in a case with this much attention, you don't have an independent inquiry here. >> the problem here, the conversation is shifting because white america is seeing. we're seeing videotape of walter scott getting shot in the back by a police officer in south carolina, james blake accosted in new york. eric garner getting choked out.

holy cow, this is real. it's happening to james blake in times square, new york, it's happening in the bronx, downtown manhattan, staten island. they're not even putting in the arrest that it actually happened. you can't believe this only one case happened in times square to james blake. it's happening across the board. this guy has been sued four times, this same cop, and written up five. and nothing has happened. >> you look at the data on profiling, i want to put up mentioning this for the context. 13,000 people stopped by nypd officers in the first half of 2015. under a new democratic mayor, 81% not charged, essentially innocent, 73% minority. >> as the chairman said, you have this incredible frustration. imagine if it was a 13-year-old kid in the bronx getting treated like that by a police officer. how does that 13-year-old child

view police f for the rest of his life. >> and what's the cycle. >> the excessive force, the distrust of their own communities they're policing, has caused an incredible rift, not just in new york. >> thank you very much for coming in. a story about tennis from the u.s. open that people are talking about as well. serena's stunning upset as we continue. senator amy klobuchar is here. has one simple plan. just pick a size. small, medium, large and extra large. if you need less data, pick small. if you need more, go with extra large-- a whopping 12 gigs for $80 a month plus $20 per phone. pick a size. change it up anytime. it's the simple way to get the best network. and now, get up to $400 when you switch. only at verizon.

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many stunned people in one place. i talked to all the experts before the match. they said there was no scenario in which serena williams would have lost that match. the italian didn't think she stood a chance, but then she stunned everybody including herself. >> she's done it. an extraordinary upset! >> reporter: for serena williams, it was the end of a year-long quest. >> italy's roberta vinci ends serena william's run. >> two matches away from the rare calendar grand slam, winning four majors in the same year, what seemed inevitable to the world number one until a little known italian roberta vinci, ranked 43 in the world. >> i'm happy. i don't know. it's tough to explain my motion right now. >> i thought she played the best tennis in her career, she played literally out of her minds. >> williams wasn't the only one

shocked to see the unseeded player put an end to her 33-match winning streak. >> this is one of the hugest upsets in all of tennis history. roberta vinci had not beaten serena williams. >> for williams she batted her sister venus on tuesday and after that match admitted to being tired. >> waking up early to practice not making it super enjoyable. >> reporter: williams has always been a fan favorite. a cinderella story out of the rough streets of compton, california. she's already won the serena slam, four majors in a row, just not in a calendar year, something she pointed out to journalists. >> i did win three grand slams this year, four in a row which is pretty good. >> reporter: on the men's side, few surprises. number one novak djokovic against roger federer.

still a lot of amazing tennis. the women's final, roberta vinci going against her country woman, flavia pin nettie. they were giant killers here taking down the number one and two seeds. for ticket prices, not having serena has hurt. tickets selling about $1400 for yesterday's match now going for less than half of that. >> thanks for that report. we will talk about it, too. chairman steele, for our viewers who are not tennis fans, this is like james gilmore taking out jeb bush. this is not supposed to happen. >> or you can look at it, buster douglas taking out mike tyson, the idea that -- i think it was mentioned in the piece, serena had a big week. she went through some tough matches, particularly with her sister. there was a lot of focus in that.

i think she looked past this one, she let her guard down enough for vinci to come in and go, gotcha. >> and the italian prime minister flying in for this all all-italian match. >> great for the italians. i'm not sure it's so great for tennis, at least tennis in america. serena was our darling. we were just finishing the mclaughlin when serena lost. i gasped. i think she let down her guard. >> on a scale of one to tn, where serena williams win? i don't think anyone would put this as possible. >> exactly. even the greatest can have an off day. if you start examining her career, she has been a little

unev uneven. they say she comes into tournaments and starts out kind of rocky. >> and that winning a lot and winning most of the time doesn't mean you win all the time. we got to take a break. and senator amy klobuchar joins us next. we'll be right back. ♪ ♪ ♪ another tie. order in? next time i drive. the right-sized nissan rogue. ♪ welcome to fort green sheets. welcome to castle bravestorm. it's full of cool stuff, like... my trusty bow. and free of stuff i don't like. we only eat chex cereal. no artificial flavors, and it's gluten-free. mom, brian threw a ball in the house!

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some republican voters as well as the role they've played in the ascent of the candidate espousing those policies. an update on the political news you may have missed. a major figure departing in the wake of the christie bridge gate investigation. this one ran one of the largest airlines in the country. we begin with the staggering number people trying to find a way to a better life. called the largest challenge in the history of the eu. yesterday the hungary, slovakia and poland and countries to the east, those nations rejected an eu plan that would have imposed refugee quotas across europe. why don't you tell us what the scene is? what are you seeing? >> reporter: ari, i can only describe the scene here at the train station as positive and serene. the sun is shining.

we have volunteers behind me, you can see them helping refugees. some playing music, others playing with children. many more offering food, shelter and water. i can't say the same in regards to the border with serbia where there is a refugee center where many refugees are crossing to the border from serbia, are being forcibly detained. human rights organizations have called conditions in that center abysmal. after yesterday we saw some pretty horrific scenes of tens or hundreds or refugees scrambling to catch one of the plastic bags of sandwiches and water thrown into the crowd by a handful of policemen. the situation is only bound to get worse as the prime minister of hungary announced that from next tuesday he will criminalize illegal immigration and arrest every refugee who tries to cross the border into hungary from serbia. ari? >> thank you, claudio.

the u.s. response to this migrant crisis is one of the issues confronting congress. president obama announcing they would take in at least 10,000 refugees, up from the 1800 the u.s. previously committed to. a lot of folks saying it's not nearly enough. back in may this was on the radar of 14 senate democrats who sent an official proposal asking the president to at least try to take in 65,000 more refugees from syria. they wrote, quote, following the international community's failure's shelter to shelter jewi jewish, we urge you to accept 50% of refugees. joining me, senator amy klobuchar, author of the new book "the senator next door." good morning, senator.

>> good morning, ari. thanks for having me on. >> you've been working the issue as i mentioned. what's changed from when you september your letter and what more needs to be done? >> way back when senator durbin and i wrote that letter there were actually only 700 refugees the u.s. had taken in. first they said 5,000 to 8,000, and now, as you pointed out, 10,000. that's a positive development and we are not advocating that the u.s. be the lead here. we're simply advocating countries like australia and others that we do our part. i visited those camps in jordan with senator graham and senator gillibrand, senator hobin. at that time the rebels were at their height, starting to advance. i met with refugees, many of them very well educated, wanting to go back to their own country. we're told the rebels are going

better, i'm sure you'll be out of there. that haunts me, a woman saying how she watched her family members and neighbors killed. she said what she had seen would make stones cry. we're not advocating for changing the security screening process, but we should be able and capable with a country as strong as ours, a history of taking in refugees, be able to up our game and take a few more refugees. >> in your letter you cite lessons learned or not learned from history including world war ii and other genocides. what's the principle here and what do you say to americans who think this is terrible, but there's many terrible things, why should the u.s. pick up the slack? >> i think, first of all, going through history, the u.s., we are build on the shoulders of immigrants and refugees. that's just the case. that's what our country has been

a beacon for these refugees. it's made our country much stronger and is strong because of that. not only do we talk about world war ii, to me i think about the mung. minnesota has 66,000 mung. at the time, in the aftermath of the vietnam war, our country took in 90,000 mung over a period of years who were simply looking for freedom, looking to leave oppression, having fought on our side. so they came into our country and settled down, had families and are a vibrant part of our economy. the biggest population of liberians, again, refugees. look at our history, look at the security vetting process that's more severe than it was in the past that we are using that should protect us. number three, look at the fact that our allies in the region, countries like jordan, lebanon, turkey, allies in the region are

being overrun, and that is a security risk for us as well if we have allies whose economies, especially jordan, are already fragile and can't keep all these refugees. the last thing i would say is our economy is at a stable situation right now. certain parts of our country, we have jobs that are unfilled, so there would be jobs for many of these refugees. >> senator, i'll bring in eleanor clift who also had a question. >> senator, martin o'malley has put out a number of 62,000, i think it is, he would like the united states to accept. i'm wondering if you think other democratic candidates should be responding with equal numbers, and i want to put that in the context of the letter that you signed along with other female democratic senators supporting hillary clinton. i'm wondering how binding that commitment is, if you consider that an endorsement? >> yes, i'm supporting secretary clinton, and i've actually

discussed syria with her in the past, many years ago after i went on my trip in that region, and i have to say that she has shown a commitment to refugees. that number was actually the number that tsenator durbin andi put out way back in may before this became an issue in the presidential race. i think another interesting thing from a michael steele point of view is self of the republican candidates, they have not attached a number i have seen, but also called, as long as the screening process is appropriate, for taking in more refugees. that includes marco rubio, trump and lindsey graham. >> senator, i think that's a very important point. on the republican side, to eleanor's question, you have seen a number of the presidential candidates come out and say we should be that country that leads in this effort to help our partners in

the region. how do you, though, and you touched on the security aspect, because for those other republican candidates and those in the national security business, there is a legitimate concern about the vetting. how do you process and police effectively? i know you talked about the augmented system that's in place, but this is something different if you're bringing in such a large number. if you reach your 65,000 or 75,000 folks coming in. how do you see that process, addressing that? >> i think we know that will not happen all at once. it's going to be over a period of years and we would really have to up our game in terms of the screening, and with numbers comes efficiency. as you point out, michael, this is a different process that we didn't even use back when we had the mung coming in or the lie beerians coming in. this is a process involving an extra amount of security and

checks for security agency that actually asked for the process last week. it's a 14-step process involving different security questions and investigations. so i think it is very important. at the same time we have a history in syria rk there are a number of different religious groups including christians, people of all religions that have professional backgrounds in that country. i met construction workers, accountants, lawyers. there are a lot of people with educated backgrounds as well that want to come in. so i think it is very important to do that vetting, but people have to remember that we're dealing with people that are educated. 11 million people in syria have been displaced out of 23 million, 11 million. most of them are still in the country, but 4 million are in these countries surrounding them. >> the scale is incredible, and i think the public is only starting to grasp it here in the

u.s. where people feel farther away. i want to turn to domestic issues as well, both policy and politics. on policy, i've heard sources on the hill say there could be a bipartisan breakthrough on a citizens reform package. i think you know some of the background and the president has talked about a more rehab-oriented approach, dealing with mandatory minimums. it's been an issue on the campaign trail. what are you hearing? >> well, i serve on the judiciary committee so i've been involved in some of this. the judiciary committee passed a bill reducing some of those top federal drug sentences. three republican votes, i believe, out of the committee. as you know there's a strange combination from the center on american progress to the koch brothers. very important to me and a number of senators who do a lot on drug rehab when we have so

many people getting addicted to heroin right now and prescription drugs is to combine this with some work in that area. we have a strong bipartisan bill with senator white house, senator ayotte, portman and myself, that focuses on position an monitoring. we'd lying to see that go hand in hand with the drug sentences as well as drug court. i'm a former prosecutor so i know the carrot and stick approach has worked. it's an interesting time and a bipartisan effort to work on the criminal justice reforms. we haven't done anything since we took the sentences for crack and cocaine and made them more equal. >> very interesting, a lot of us watching the judiciary committee. i will get to politics before i let you go. your book talks a lot about what it's like to be a woman senator, the senator next door, breaking barriers as well as beating back some of the things that can come

up in that kind of career. looking at the news this week, i want to know, do you think donald trump has been sexist in his remarks about carly fiorina? >> i thought that was pretty outrageous. i don't know how he can get by with saying, oh, i was just talking about her personality or credentials when he actually said "look at that face." to me, he's talking about someone's looks. i know all women who are in office and all women everywhere should respond to that. i don't know what he's saying, you don't look good enough? you look too old? i don't know what he means. to me he means something about her looks, that she doesn't look like a president. one of the things women candidates battle whether they're democrats or republicans all the time is having that kind of credibility to show that they can lead, to have voters and citizens actually imagine that they can be in charge of something. hearing those kinds of comments, i think they boomerang and i

think eventually they'll boomerang right back at him. >> senator amy klobuchar, the book is "the sneenator next doo" a developing story in northern california, a wildfire continuing to burn out of control. the pictures quite scary overnight. that fire spread to nearly 65,000 acres, a few hundred acres as recently as thursday. one firefighter saying it is exploding like a balloon. it's forced more than 2500 people from their homes. governor jerry brown declaring a state of emergency to shore up resources. stay with msnbc throughout the weekend for more on that story. the bridge gate investigation taking the surprising turn, a prominent head rolled, probably not who you think. a conservative latino group taking on donald trump. stay with us.

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one issue uniting candidates, the wall. donald trump has set off a race for who can be the most anti-illegal immigration across the mechanixican border. a majority of republicans now say the issue is crucial to their vote. that's a july from 39% when he got in the race. it's worth remembering that the passion among partisans is not reflected by the wider electorate. in the first year, president obama took office. here was the breakdown on how many americans thought the u.s. should accept. 50% wanted some kind of decrease. those numbers have broadly turned more pro immigration. the same gallup poll question

this year finds now more people supporting the status quo or increasing immigration, 40%, while the crowd that wants a decrease shrunk 16 points. when it comes to the subject of immigration, there's another image now beyond the wall capturing the world's attention in recent weeks. it's this one. a turkish official carrying the body of a 3-year-old syrian migrant who washed ashore. he slipped from his father's arms when the boat capsized. that heartbreaking image has forced many around the world to pay attention to the more than 4 million syrians fleeing their war-torn country. late this week, as we've been reporting today, president obama expanded immigration policy to take in another 10,000 refugees. as some americans shift their attention from hypothetical border walls to the real images and the reason people immigrate, because of danger, because of

poverty, because they feel they have to. a stridently anti immigration or anti foreigner position may not only be out of step with public opinion, but out of sync with the real problems facing the world. joining me, daniel garza executive director of the libra initiative. good morning. >> good morning, ari. >> i want to talk policy and the republican race with you, before we get to that, your thoughts and expertise on this migrant crisis. >> you're talking about the one in europe? >> yes. >> it's an incredibly sad situation. it is failed states in the middle east that is causing this major crisis. it's a complicated situation for a lot of european nations and for america. we have a long list of folks wanting to come to the america. that's just added to the line and the urgency. it's interesting to see who

rises up with a plan that is acceptable to as many people as possible. we'll be watching for that. >> look, these aren't issues that have simple answers. it's one thing for people around the world to look at the humanity and the suffering, and another thing to try to craft solutions to problems escaping easy solutions. it want tore clear about that. yet, at the policy level, it does relate to whether we look at this as a human problem with people of good will in bad situations or whether there is demagoguery, which is something your group has pushed explicitly in regards to donald trump. i want to read from your letter. you say immigrants willing to work in the united states contribute greatly to our economy, society and culture. may those who wish to contribute and work remain welcome. you slammed the proposals on mass deportation. what do you think is the right way to resolve this, and is donald trump ultimately in your view going to cost republicans potentially the election? >> so to your first point, our concern is we are moving away

from realistic policy that can deal with the 11 million to 12 million folks here currently without authorization, with our children, with our visa situation. 40% of the people who are here without authorization is because they overstayed their visas. that needs to be dealt with. we have an economy where we need to respond to market forces in the best way. the private sector needs workers to make a profit, whether that's low skilled or high skilled. so we need a comprehensive plan. to just focus on border security is not realistic either. that shouldn't hold up the rest of the pieces, but to say you're going to end birth right citizenship, to say you're going to seize the remittances of hard working migrants who have come to america and they're sending it back to their mothers and grand mothers, it's bad policy. >> it's not only realistic, i want to bring in michael steele, former republican party chair, it's also incredibly offensive

to many latino americans in their own words. i want the read the favorability ratings. when you look at hispanics, jeb bush doing well, plus 11, marco rubio, not doing as well, a distinction based on name i.d., plus five. ted cruz minus seven. donald trump, it's neg tich 51. >> it's not just how it resonates with members of the hispanic community but all americans. the fact is, i've been waiting for some time to see if a jeb bush or marco rubio would redetien the narrative on the party's relationship to the hispanic community. it's one thing to say, yeah, we want more of you to come in and vote for us. there they're not going to come in unless they have a reason to do that. that's going to be the articulation that jeb bush in particular is going to articulate. in the meantime the party has to deal with the gap that's increasing between it and hispanic leaders and activists,

but more importantly the hispanic people across the country, but also how it resonates with us around america. the white female vote is a very sensitive voting bloc. while the subject may not be jermaine to them directly, they watch how people respond, and that also drives those numbers. >> that's a judgment of values, many people a judgment of religious believes. daniel, let me play to you donald trump talking to bill o'reilly threading this needle saying without much evidence, well, the refugees, what if they're involved in isis. the evidence isn't that the people fleeing are isis war years, so he may need a little homework done on that. he still says by the end we've got to do something because he sees it in a humanitarian way as well. take a listen. >> i wonder where all these people are coming from exactly and what are they representing. do you have people from isis in that group? there's a lot of security risk

with it. but something has to be done. it's an unbelievable humanitarian problem. >> daniel, what do you make of that? that even the border wall, anti-immigrant voice is saying something has to be done on the migrant issue? >> that poll that you showed that americans are now more open to more immigration is because i think we've understood that throughout our history, there are estimates that show over 200 million immigrants have come to america. they've contributed to america, they've generated their own wealth and created opportunity for others in america and made us the strong prosperous nation that we are. so we are an open country that puts a value on talent and on skills and that hard work ethic. that's what they bring. for someone to go beyond the pale and to start talking about unrealistic positions, i would warn hillary clinton, too. she said she was going to go beyond barack obama on immigration reform. barack obama has not got us

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nbc's scott pell len is on the scene in phoenix. scott? >> good morning, ari. there were three in one day last saturday and eight since then. it's not clear the police are a lot closer now than they were in the beginning to figure out who was behind it. there is what they described as a person of interest, 19-year-old oscar de la torre munos who was taken into cussed difficult and booked on an unrelated marijuana charge. it's not clear whether he's still being questioned about the shootings. meantime, authorities are looking into potentially different scenarios, potentially multiple shooters. the reason for that is some of them were vehicles that were shot with gunfire, others shot with projectiles like bullets from a pellet gun and the like, and one incident at least that may have been related to road

rage. what authorities are looking at is the potential for multiple shooters, whether they're copy cats or similar incidents that are unrelated we don't know. the investigation goes on, ari? >> all right, scott. thanks for that update. still ahead, how the bridge gate scandal appears to have cost one of the most powerful men in the airline industry his job. it is a wild story. we have a good report on that. also, donald trump compares going to a middle style boarding school to military service. we're going to get into it. we don't want to, but we're going to as journalists. what role will it play in the run pour the white house. we have general barry mccalf free here. free here. stay with us. you worry. you do whatever it takes ttake care of your family. and when it's time to plan for your family's future, we're here for you. we're legalzoom, and for over 10 years we've helped families just like yours with wills and living trusts.

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trump has defied the usual political rules about the military. here is the latest example. a new biography in which he told author michael deantonio that he always felt he was in the military because he attended a military-style boarding school. you cannot make it up, because he does. in an era in which less than 1% of the population is fighting in overseas conflicts, it does raise the question of whether a candidate's military stance is important. trump questioned john mccain's military herism. msnbc military analyst general mccaffrey. you lock ok at this. >> all of us admire the junior rotc programs in high schools across the area.

a great way to provide structure and development to young people. having said that, mr. trump probably would have learned more by reading "soldier of "fortune" magazine thag than being a bad boy september off to military boarding school. i don't know why he comes off with those lines. it's sort of silly. the larger issue is an important one. world war ii, 9% of the american population wu in uniform. today it's around 2%. in congress we've seen the number of veterans go from 70% of congress in the early '70s to today around 20%. >> i put that up on the screen, general. as you say, 73% in the '70s that was military veterans in our congress, now has dropped all the way down to 20%, a drastic shift in our elected representatives, which as you point out, reflects some of the shift in the wider population. when you look at a candidate

like donald trump, you look at that hugh hewitt interview which anyone can fire up. it's on youtube if folks didn't catch it live. you see someone who not only has no grasp of these various terrorist groups, what's the difference between the can you tell force -- does that concern you from the standpoint of someone who would be commander in chief? >> well, you know, i'm always somewhat sympathetic. people like me follow national security and foreign policy issues day in and day out. we've done it our entire life. i'm less concerned about him getting the answers correct of who is the premier of some country than perhaps you might think. having said that, look, military -- the u.s. armed forces have been in combat almost non-stop for 15 years. we've had 60,000-some-odd killed

or wounded in iraq and afghanistan. it is important for the white house or congress to have direct military correspondence or listen closely to those who do. i don't think it's a prerequisite to being a political leader. >> finally, what do you make looking more broadly at the other military service candidates in the graham. lindsay graham under the rules had to pull back from that in order to run, where he was j.a.g. jim webb, a veteran and served in the defense department under reagan, why do you think these candidates are not getting traction? >> they have nothing to do with their military service. senator webb, marine officer fighting in first line combat units. lindsey graham spent 30 years looking at the armed forces.

you back off the issue and say why are people voting yes or no in primaries. that's a whole different issue. i would again go back to the general notion -- the terrible situation we have with president obama, such a good man, but he goes out in public on sergeant bergdahl's parents and releases five terrorists. i always thought if they had a retired sergeant major working in the white house, they never would have done that. the armed forces are the most respected institution in american society, and people need to take that into account, particularly if you want to be commander in chief. >> general mccaffrey, always appreciate your expertise. thanks for making the time. >> good to be with you. up next, as promised, the saga is continuing. how the bridgegate investigation landed at united airlines. stay with us.

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this week the federal investigation into the christie administration's traffic jam scandal, bridgegate led to a firing that no one could have predicted when this all began. >> the chairman and ceo of united airlines is stepping down amid a corruption investigation. the feds are looking into whether the ceo tried to improperly influence the former head of the part authority. >> david sampson allegedly used his government perch to call for united executives to call for a special flight from newark airport to north carolina. he wanted the route to make it easier for his vacation home and pressed the top airline executives at a private dinner. why would a public company consider this bizarre private favor? it was at a time when united was trying to secure hundreds in millions for et cetera newark

hub. three months later they added the flight and ended three days after david sampson's announcement of his resignation. un united alerted stockholders about the on going federal probes into the potential involvement in bridgegate. joining me, doug burns, former u.s. district attorney for new york, and jonathan deansst for wnbc. how do we get to this point and are there any more shoes to drop? >> the investigation is on going. the united airlines says their internal investigation is on going. the federal prosecutors an fbi, their investigation is on going. preemptive strike is how this has been categorized, united airlines stepping forward and

removing top executives involved in these alleged dealings. the question is coincidence, quid pro quo bribery, or was united airlines shaken down to provide this special flight for the chairman in exchange for some of the huge improvements that were going to go on that could have benefited the airline? >> the legal distinction you're emphasizing is a shakedown might be something that united is less culpable pour. >> that's the question investigators are looking into. they're nowhere near a decision. but investigation is active and on going. the question what did chris christie go, when did he know it, we're told no reason to suggest any direct involvement or knowledge by the governor. as in bridgegate, here are under links he put in office where there's real troubling questions. >> the saying, doug, where there's smoke there's fire, here it's where they there's traffic

and ridiculous flight routes, there's a lot of discussion. remember some of the other players, david wildstein, bill baroni, bridget ann kelly. wildstein pled guilty. bruj et anne kelly dealing with this as an indictment. >> it's interesting. you go up the tree, there's a branch. we're going to look at that branch. there's another branch, we'll look at that. in bridgegate, the bridge is part of the port authority. it's logical they'll look at the port authority closer. now they look at sampson. what's happening, it's interesting, first of all, united did do very much of a preemptive move and it was a good move. they hired a very prominent chicago law firm, did an internal investigation and removed three executives. now they're in the position of

saying not only are we cooperating 100%, but look at the house cleaning we did. >> you're saying they set up an investigation independent of the ceo. >> in-house, exactly. we don't know what the report says. you're right. it may be a little different. let's get back to this chairman's flight. it really was a sort of arrogance/uberous move. he wanted this flight, critical fact, at one point initially united declined to put the flight in. he took something off a board meeting agenda. that's really problematic. >> what would make that illegal? >> what makes that illegal is he's -- first of all, it goes almost into other criminal theories, he's selling out his honest services.

i'm using that term on purpose because it's part of the mail fraud statute. he's supposed to honestly have things on the agenda and honestly and fairly consider them. he's doing self-dealing. then you have bribery, much weaker against united, particularly when you put the extortion gloss in there. definitely it's illegal -- it's not send me a 60-inch tv because you're going to use it just for yourself. the flight is being used by other people. does that make it weaker? but at the same time he's asking for a personal benefit for doing his job. that's acquit pro quo. >> where does this go from here? >> we know the federal investigators are looking hard at the port authority officials involved and the united officials involved. we are told at this point in time the ceo who walked away with $8 million in payout, golden parachute, he may have had knowledge -- unclear how

direct a roll he played in it. i think some of the underlings at united may be in serious legal trouble. i think we may see something coming out of that down the road month from now. >> you're saying it's possible, above and beyond lead to other executives being indicted? >> i believe there's going to be charges -- possible charges of some united officials, former united officials, and some charges out of folks at the port authority and it's also going to be interesting to see if this investigation leads into a look at what were other airlines doing with the port authority. >> well, you heard it here on "up." jonathan dienst reporting as well as doug byrnes. the trucker hat trend to the next level. we will explain on the other side of this break. ♪

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i want to get you caught up on other stories making headlines with today's panel. we will start with fashion as we do if you've seen the social network you remember mark zuckerberg was paraphrased as saying fashion is never finished. it's a kind of a metaphysical process. >> it does. that's how you put it all together. >> put it all together, how you interact. well, it's a little interplay here, the politics running into the fashion. trump's campaign hat according to "the new york times" becoming an ironic summer accessory, make america great again spot on hipsters in williamsburg, brooklyn, as well as l.a. quote, the hat's appeal in their study outmodedness. think of a 2.0 version of the trucker hats that were ironically repopularized by millennials and in their ability to capture the current absurdist political moment. mr. chairman, i wonder if there's something here because when you have a bully, sometimes you can't take it seriously.

you mock the absurdity of the bully. >> do you think the hat does that? >> i'm asking you. you're the guest. >> look, i think the hat -- the hat is a way to sort of put the brand out there. and donald trump, if he doesn't know anything, he knows how to brand and i think that is better than the t-shirt, it's better than, you know, the sweatshirt. >> you think the hipsters are getting it wrong? >> i think they're overthinking the hat. >> is this because you hate brooklyn? >> no, i love brooklyn. i'm the guy who coined hip-hop republicans now. come on now. >> we don't have time -- >> the only one who ever tried to live it. you don't have time to get into all that. >> i was born in brooklyn and grew up in queens, so i have a little bit of donald trump in me maybe. i don't know. better the hat than the hair. and dermatologists like the fact you protect your skin. it's a good thing. >> eleanor clift going for the

dermatology overlap. >> the bump in iowa. >> i don't have a drop of donald trump in me, and if the hipsters want to wear the hat, i'm sure trump will find a way to turn that into a fantastic thing. but i don't think it's so fantastic. >> okay. let's play a little bit of our own colleague across nbc, jimmy fallon, having trump on. take a look. >> how are you going to create jobs in this country? >> i'm just going to do it. [ laughter ] [ applause ] >> right, right, but how? >> by doing it. it just happens. >> michael? >> just do it. i mean, that's trump and that's the appeal of him. people get that.

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